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Did you hear the one about — ?
Wait, you told me that one. Gimme a minute.
Nothing about armadillos?
There oughta be a ‘dillo in there somewhere…
Wow, second place sucks.
Okay, stop me if you’ve heard this one —
Okay, you can at least wait until I start telling it.
Deadly, when he plays a dope melody and anything less than the best is a felony is what I think.
Don’t be mentioning you-know-who. He’s been itching to adventurize, but thus far I’ve been able to keep him in check by assuring him he’s still asleep.
Surprisingly easy, if you’re willing to cover yourself in grubworms and soft light yourself.
im sry jeff, they sapped me with the bogus IDT argument again.
i go now, your abhorred slave, to execute on your command.
“Don’t be mentioning you-know-who.”
Oh sure. Show up every Friday for four frickin’ years and now it’s “don’t be mentioning”.
Maybe next Friday?
Always the armadillos!
Do #’s 2 and 3 have anything about swatting male genitalia with an open hand?
Translation: “I sapped myself”
<crosses legs>
Please let the little guy know that his friends in Texas enjoyed his visit and hope he comes back soon. The cute little ‘dillo from down Mingus way used to ask about him all the time, but I haven’t seen her in a little while. She’s probably just given up, disappointed.
Oh, and to clear up a couple of things: I looked but didn’t comment much prior to the previous hiatus. And I’m prolix. Jeff and Karl are merely verbose.
Regards,
Ric
Aha!
teh jokey = the + “Joe” + -chy = THE PATRIARCHY!; Bunnies! is a doubly emphatic assertion of heteronormativity; and so the missing 2. and 3. are the (pointedly, and redundantly, and so un-)elided COCK and SLAP.
Don’t ever change.
Deconstruction is so much fun. It’s like mud pies, wax lips and bottle rockets, all wrapped up in pages torn out of a Derrida screed.
Or like monkeys on motorbikes. ( youtube link)
That is my favorite monkey ever I think.
Here. Pictures.
http://pixdaus.com/
Somewhere in there is a monkey.
Here,
http://pixdaus.com/single.php?id=36382
darn it.
And here:
http://pixdaus.com/single.php?id=36188
Ok the comments on that last one are disturbing.
#20.
He looks like I’ll feel tonight! I like that.
I refuse to click video links unless I know the monkey will be dancing.
That is my favorite monkey ever I think.
I gotta go with this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AZn5nWIj_g&feature=related
But the other one reminded me of The Mouse & The Motorcycle a lot. That book shaped a lot of my thinking.
here
I loved that book! Hadn’t thought about it in ages, now I’m gonna have to try to find a copy.
Profit?
The mouse and the motorcycle was great. Read it and the sequel many times.
I miss Jeff Bunnies
Sean – Profit? – anytime you write this, Sharia Law requires that you add the following… “may a goat crap in his ear”.
Just sayin’
Yours,
Root
Wow, I was deleted! WTF! Maybe the purging of Karl got me in the wash? Anyhoooooo….Jeff, at least you posted something! I love it!
Ok, I’m drunk. It happens motherfuckers! Don’t look at me like that!
Bunnies.
What’s muddy and brings Easter eggs?
The Easter Pig.
Just moving this site back to secular academic libertarianism…
Sean M. had an interesting post this week on Thai tranny hookers. Here.
That’s just really kind of a different society I guess.
the purging of Karl
I told him to change his name to Carl.
We prefer Krill.
Thanks for pointing that out, ‘feets.
“i go now, your abhorred slave, to execute on your command.”
UNfortunately, you’re a liar (is that Taquiya?) so you won’t go. But you got the slave part right.
execute on your command
nishi no kaze hare
west wind clear
This Jeff G. guy seems pretty funny. Think we can get him to post around here more often?
Great Sweet Adeline’s Ghost !
Not if commenters like us keep showing up.
There’s just no pleasing some monkeys.
“Comment by guinsPen on 4/5 @ 5:01 pm #
We prefer Krill.”
What are you , a friggin’ whale?
I understood the Cole smack down post–If his information footprint is harmful, one should definitely use one’s power to mitigate it’s effects. This one though, I don’t know enough of the context to get it.
Nice to see your’ writing again Mr. Goldstein.
And to erase for my rhetoric implying that you had an interest in knowing how and whether I understood your post(s–I know that Jeff doesn’t.(Necessarily.)
This may be the appropriate place to spell out my tentative thoughts on the Nishi\Matoko-chan net persona.
First of all, she has much power, so much so that I feel it wise to comment.
As I know nothing of the ‘biomass’ sitting behind Nishi’s screen, I will comment on it in the best possible way. I will make it up.
Nishi is what I will call an information warrior. A warrior in the sense that she acts on the net, not looking to ‘dialoge’, ‘learn’, or even teach, for that matter. Nishi knows the truth, and with her unusual capacity for rhetorical war has set out to see victory for the memes in whose service Nishi’s talents are now mustered. She furthers the cause not so much by convincing, but by inflicting emotional discomfort, by means of her rhetoric on those who express or even secretly hold to counter memes. The impact of her campaign on those memes she wars against should be contemplated, and she does a good job of it.
I see here two possibilities.
The first.
Nishi does not really hold as certainly to the veracity her patron memes as she astutely conveys with her rhetoric; She is confident in her evaluations but not absolutely so.
In which case, she is a valuable soldier some of whose memetic opponents might one day turn over. (Nishi did say she was Ronin.)
The second.
She is absolutely certain. In which case, as there is no soldier like a fanatic, her memetic opponents simply have to fight her.
This is not my war, but I wanted to put out the anecdote. When you feel a need to respond–or in other words, when she has struck a successful blow–again, she is not interested in dialog–simply point out for the audience her rhetorical tactic and its effects. The next move is her’s, she will either be forced into transparent dialog–the weapons of the future, bank on it–continue to slash with her rhetorical sword or retreat to strike again. Rhetorical analysis is a learned skill, so as some use it to good effect others will learn to do so as well. Do not reply to a rhetorical sword with dialog. For then with a mere slash of a ten world sword, she will have goaded her memetic enemy to waste valuable resources, plus given her an opportunity to besmirch what might be a solid and well presented meme with a follow up ten word rhetoric thrust. In time perhaps, a part of the blog-sphere will grow immune to swords making it so we can start fighting out with more futuristic weapons.
That seems a lot apt, but also she has her moods, and I don’t think you capture her essential mischievousness. More loki I think than ronin. I’m genuinely fond of her.
Jeff metioned the ‘dillo! Yay!
“mentioned” I said.
@ #46
We’re flippin’ penguins.
well..there’s that…..but also infiestimally few have the background to actually unnerstand a lot of wat i say.
like im absolutely sure jeffie is the only one that got the abhorred slave memetag.
the science blogs are like the puppeteer home planet for me. do you get that?
they think im insane to come here.
/grins mischieviously.
but none of you really have any real clue about the splendor and magnificence that is jeff goldstein.
he has the memetic weapons of mass distruction….if only he would use them more.
I think datadave’s got it. You know how baby twins have their own special babbling language? Like that.
You think? She so regularly embarrasses herself that this idea seems counterintuitive.
Swords are nice but I prefer working close in, with the stiletto.
but also infiestimally few have the background to actually unnerstand a lot of wat i say.
Yeah. The vast majority of which are in sheltered care facilities. You said you were leaving. Bye.
I have no doubt Jeff will be back in some form or another. And whatever happens with this blog, people will not forget who he is in the meantime. This net thing is in its infancy, really. Maybe he is in learning mode now. Also the role he has played here for sometime has required him to engage intensely in a whole lot of utter nonsense, and as much fun as it sounds to be able to give beat downs to trash information, in practice I imagine it gets old. I personally would prefer to read writing that deals directly on his area of learning, which seems to me to be philosophy and rhetoric. The beat downs merely display that info in the context of negating whatever load of crap he is working to destroy. And of course I would pay for the content.
Jeff said i could be here.
;)
But you said you were leaving. Why?
And why change the subject?
haha, oh….i got a few blades in pablo.
i think it bothers ppl that religious conservatives are disliked by the highly educated, by jews and academics.
it bothers goldberg.
cowardly mean intolerant bigotted darwin fish
hehe, goldberg hates me, but the derb is my homeslice.
lawls.
i do have work to do.
cyas
Lots of people are disliked by academics, like these people and Jeff Goldstein. But that doesn’t answer the question. Why have you told us, repeatedly, that you were leaving?
Jeff lets pretty much anyone in here. You’ve really got to be a supreme asshole to be shown the door. Are you similarly proud that the local McDonalds lets you be there?
one more thing i thot of…it is like battlelines are drawn in the memewars.
jeff is an academic that doesnt despise the theocons.
naftali is a jew that finds common ground with them.
there is more than meets the eye for jeff and naftali.
but they are outliers.
me, im more into empirical data…..science is my first love.
so my allegiance has returned to science, my first master.
ronin no more?
I see three.
So does Krys Barch, who inflicted severe emotional discomfort on Daniel Carcillo last Thursday night.
No, you’re not. Harebrained hypotheses enter your mind and you declare them fact. There is nothing scientific about that and it utterly disregards empirical data.
And yet you babble about the singularity and proclaim yourself a Muslim.
I’m also posting this comment here as on the previous thread cuz of the bunnies:
(* correction)
Find a blog where the majority of commenters are mentally ill. That will up your percentage considerably.
i have sympathy for Cole.
look how i usta love GW.
that was before he stabbed me in the back with ESCR.
and opened a front in his War on Biotech with terris law and the bioluddite council.
my affections for GW have died the death of a thousand cuts over his attacks on Science and his profound dishonesty.
hes a just another theocon to me now.
;)
and this….
its true this blog has swerved to the theocon right.
it usta be splendidly raunchy and fiercely secular.
I wrote:
Nishtoon wrote:
Godspeed, Nishtoon. I know you’ll fit right in.
oh i fit in well on the Fleet of Worlds, and the science blog subnet.
they think im insane to come here.
its true this blog has swerved to the theocon right.
it usta be splendidly raunchy and fiercely secular.
You should move to Cole’s place, or any of the other lefty blogs, nishi, because you have nothing to offer but identity politics just like them. Rather than advance real arguments and offer good faith rebuttals, you just scream THEOCON! like they scream racist or sexist.
You made reference to a theory a few weeks ago that the primary biological reason for natural death seemed to be evolutionary, it sped up the process and led to more opportunity for mutation/adaptation. Yet this morning on another thread, you accuse someone who is opposed to genetic engineering prolonging life as being anti-evolutionary and pro-ID. I am about as secular a person as you are likely to find, and it seems to me using genetic engineering to circumvent evolution is intelligent design, and it makes me uneasy as hell that I may be at the mercy of the designer.
Let’s cure balding first. Not for me, not yet anyway, but it would be a lot altruistic I think.
Oh. That’s not very theoconny. Do over. I think Jesus would want us to cure balding first. There go. That’s better.
Aha! Common ground. Praise Jesus.
4. Bunnies!
Oh, christ – he’s got the shotgun again!…
using genetic engineering to circumvent evolution is intelligent design
no that wud be genetic engineering
u can think of TOE as unintelligent design if u like.
the selfish genes code for three things and three things only; survial, reproduction and death.
death rocks and evolution rolls.
duh, that is why there are no immortal species, dude.
Kass an the Pope, along with the other bioluddites, want us to die, at the end of our “natural span”.
i guess ur “intelligent designer” also wants us to break down and die.
not mine.
Allah gave us the tools to fix things…i plan to use them.
do u know the Turing heresy?
If god made man in his image, then can man make a sentient being in his image?
Perhaps this is something we are supposed to do.
Like fix our genomes.
Science works because Allah wills it. To assume the constancy of natural laws is to limit Allah, and is thus against Islam.
no that wud be genetic engineering
Which is a form of intelligent design, genetic engineers are trying to improve the designs of nature, in what they hope is an intelligent manner.
u can think of TOE as unintelligent design if u like.
the selfish genes code for three things and three things only; survial, reproduction and death.
death rocks and evolution rolls.
I think of evolution as intelligent design, that which doesn’t work doesn’t reproduce. Keep trying new things and see what works.
duh, that is why there are no immortal species, dude.
Uh, that is my point. Try to stay focused.
i guess ur “intelligent designer†also wants us to break down and die.
not mine.
Allah gave us the tools to fix things…i plan to use them.
No, you plan to try to usurp Allah. You plan to try to create a better man than your supposed God. Your real God in fact, is the fantastic “Science” you worship with absolute faith, in direct contradiction to what science actually is.
Perhaps this is something we are supposed to do.
Perhaps? Why are you allowed to equivocate but if we do we are theocons?
Seriously, just how thick can teh irony get before it starts poisoning people?
I think of evolution as intelligent design
hehe, u might think that, but you’d be wrong!
there is no “intelligence” guiding or planning evolution.
there is no “design”.
only random assortment, molecular binding an darwinian selection of the fittest.
like i said, i care fuckall wat xians do their churches or homes.
i just want the theocons out of government.
Yes. Climate nazis is way more better.
i dont expect theocons to leave the republican party.
it will wind up a burning hunk of slag just like the MacArthur.
consider the just-say-no-to-mitt campaign.
theocon vs theocon
another Dune quote, carin.
the power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it.
the republicans can no longer win without the theocons.
they have the power.
i fit in well on the Fleet of Worlds
Kido Butai, too.
Say 6-4-42, 1020 local.
Then racism and homophobia is over and done cause Dems can’t take a shit without black or gay peoples. How empowered they must feel.
feets are u tellin me the purpose of the theocons is to oppose the dissemination of global warming junk science?
i think u are wrong.
No. Theocons don’t have the credibility. But maybe theocons can a lot help oppose the leveraging of global warming junk science into social justicey internationalist utopianism.
Anyway, I think you a lot inflate Evangelical Christian influence. And really, they’ve been reasonable and measured with respect to the judiciary. That’s a big deal, and one that probably furthers your larger aims I think more than you maybe have considered.
All happening by accident because Allah, whom you claim to worship, had nothing to do with it.
No, you want them out of the public square altogether. Typical muslim person.
me, im more into empirical data…..science is my first love.
so my allegiance has returned to science, my first master.
ronin no more?
All I know is, if this is pasted from your eHarmony bio, where do I sign up? I’ve got half a chub.
I think of evolution as intelligent design
hehe, u might think that, but you’d be wrong!
there is no “intelligence†guiding or planning evolution.
there is no “designâ€Â.
I am going to try this one more time, if only to give nishi another example of how adults discuss things. You apparently have never actually designed anything in the real world, because like battle plans, most designs never survive their first encounter with the enemy. I like to use race cars as an example, because one of my hobbies is helping friends build and maintain them. A new car never performs exactly as planned, and we immediately begin repairing and strengthening shit that breaks, and revising things that don’t work. Some of the improvements work, some don’t. Some of the improvements that work stress new areas and new problems develop. Constant change and improvement is required to keep the car competitive.
All of the people involved are very smart, capable, experienced hands- but nothing ever works exactly as planned and the development of the car is an evolutionary project, but it is also the only intelligent way to design and develop a winning car.
only random assortment, molecular binding an darwinian selection of the fittest.
Exactly. As an intelligent way of finding what works as I am aware of. If you know something better, expand on your ideas. Repeating the same shit over and over isn’t impressing anyone.
It’s all bricolage, really. But a lot quotidian. Intelligent design is more all about oohing and aahing at teh grandeur of it all. Poets do this more better than schoolteachers or professors I think.
The world is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
And wears man’s smudge and shares man’s smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.
And for all this, nature is never spent;
There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs-
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.
That really a lot does it for me. IDT just seems really pale and sort of smarmy next to that.
sayin evolution==design is false.
design requires a designer.
evolution is recursive emergent behavior wholly independent of “a designer”.
wat is this? proof by stupid?
ur just repeating fallacy over an over.
I think a lot for ID to flavor the popular conception of evolution is really sort of a nothing wrong with it kind of thing, and there’s nothing to be gained by an imposition of strict terms and definitions that willfully devalue people’s faiths. Keep it out of your university if you want… yours is good for you, theirs is good for them.
it is fine in unis feets…..in philosophy class or lib arts.
its proponents want it in the science department.
that is wat “Expelled” is all about.
If our Gods and our hopes are nothing but scientific phenomena,
then let us admit it must be said that our love is scientific as well.
Literature too. But, the bigger picture is really whether faith and science can be reconciled. You scoff at that concern I think, but really, I don’t think you’ve thought through the consequences of what happens when that sort of reconciliation is disallowed. Take a good look at the Middle East, really. Ick.
the bigger picture is really whether faith and science can be reconciled
that is why i am a sufi mu’tazhilah.
the First Obligation requires me to use science and reason to approach Allah as close as i can….but faith must carry me rest of the way, to faana.
in the Mu’tizhili, faith and reason are complementary.
reason alone is not sufficient.
the problem of IDT is that it forces faith and reason to be competitive.
Right. But that’s a lot solipsistic. I think you’d find you felt different about the Mu’tizhili if everybody joined up and you were Mu’tizhililing alongside Southern two-digits.
That last was at #106. I’m not sure that the competition exists anywhere other than in the mind of the individual, and I’m not sure why it’s of any consequence, really. For the scientists or the prospective scientists, I’m pretty sure I know which meme will out. For the other people, let them come to terms with the concepts themselves I figure.
haha, my l33tism.
praps.
err one gets all hung up on the creator thing.
but..wat if spacetime isnt just curved…wat if it is part of a superbig ring?
and we see such a small part….
wat if god/allah/hashem always was?
You are going a lot further there than I ever really go.
yes feets, the successful meme will survive.
that is one of the 4 branches of evolution, symbolic or memetic evolution.
that is why it is bootless to try an force IDT into science departments.
plus it makes xians look stupid so they whine about the mean cowardly intolerant darwin fishes.
That’s a lot the cosmology of Battlestar Galactica though. I think it’s a little creepy.
Oh. I mostly agree with that. You should have more faith in your meme.
One of my turtles is named darwins. darwins and gapagus. I’ve never told anyone that before.
my turtle is named gamera.
he is a snapping turtle, i got him out of the water jump at the high prairie xcountry course a cuple years ago and brought him home inna jerry can of water out of my aunt’s horse trailer.
he was only as big as a quarter then.
an i tell everyone.
;)
an i tell them not to touch…he is not a tame turtle.
Those ones grow and grow.
it is almost 3 am
i shud go sleep.
nite feets
sweet dreams
you too there
design requires a designer.
Where does it say the designer must be human? Or even conscious? All your conception of design is, is when a human consciously attempts the evolutionary process intellectually- you think something through– hoping it will be a finished product. It seldom is, so an accelerated evolutionary period, the beta if you will, is required. Evolution is the essence of design.
here feets this is more clearer i think.
This paradigm is known in Islamic theology as wujub al-nazar, i.e., the obligation to use one’s speculative reasoning to attain ontological truths. About the “first duty,” ‘Abd al-Jabbar said (Martin et al., 1997): It is speculative reasoning (al-nazar) which leads to knowledge of God, because He is not known by the way of necessity (daruratan) nor by the senses (bi l-mushahada). Thus, He must be known by reflection and speculation.
The Mu’tazilis had a nuanced theory regarding reason, Divine revelation, and the relationship between them. They celebrated power of reason and human intellectual power. To them, it is the human intellect that guides a human to know God, His attributes, and the very basics of morality….opponents of the Mu’tazili often charge the Mu’tazili with the view that humanity does not need revelation, that everything can be known through reason, that there is a conflict between reason and revelation…this is false.
Mu’tazilis believed that the first obligation on humans, specifically adults in full possession of their mental faculties, is to use their intellectual power to ascertain the existence of God, and to become knowledgeable of His attributes.
See? The specific problem with IDT is that it sets itself in opposition to reason and science, instead of using reason and science to approach the Divine Beloved.
“Expelled” is just another attempt to force IDT into the sciences.
Like we say in dressage, that which is forced can never be beautiful.
A friend of mine has used genetic algorithms to produce plans for antennas. Are those antenna designed?
I’d say yes, because the constraints on the GA were placed with a purpose. The procedure was random and filtered on the “most fit”, but it was certainly a design.
All that means, nishi, is that you’re a Muslim heretic.
So, when you going to Mecca? That’s an obligation, innit?
and in recompense for your Hopkins, i give u ibn-Arabi.
Pasture between the breastbones
and innards
Marvel,
A garden among the flames.
My heart can take on
any form:
for gazelles, a meadow
a cloister for monks,
For the idols, sacred ground,
Ka’ba for the circling pilgrim,
the tables of the Torah,
the scrolls of the Qur’an
I profess the religion of love;
wherever its caravan turns along the way,
that is the belief
the faith I keep.
that is the heart receptive to every form, an important Sufi theme
and that is my favorite of the 99 names of Allah….
He Who Pastures the Stars
Are those antenna designed?
yes a design made by ur friend.
;)
because he could have designed a different antenna using a different adaptive heuristic search algorithm, like simulated annealing or greedy or hill-climbing.
genetic algorithms are just one instance in the class of adaptive heuristic search algorithms.
l8rz
the First Obligation requires me to use science and reason to approach Allah as close as i can….
And as I understand it, you want government funds to help pay for your approach.
nope.
i just want ESCR to not be blocked by your religious views.
polls showed the ESCR expansion bill was the will of the majority, and struck down by GW’s religious beliefs.
let me fix this.
Each of these human embryos is a unique human life with inherent dignity and matchless value.
Each of these human embryos is a diploid insensate cell clump that is not sentient, cannot think, cannot feel pain, cannot feel heat, cold or pressure, cannot sleep, cannot dream, and cannot breathe.
But inorder to retain the theocon voting block i must pretend to believe in ensoulment.
They aren’t my religious views. I’m fine with more funding for ESCR.
You want your religious path to be paid for by the government. That the majority may agree with you isn’t part of the equation. It is the government paying for your religion, which you say you are against.
You are going to run into the majority buzz saw when it comes to approval for mixing animals and humans, though.
Perhaps you should take up a collection at your mosque nishi, after all experiments on ESCR weren’t banned by Bush, he just wasn’t willing to use federal funding.
i just want ESCR to not be blocked by your religious views.
polls showed the ESCR expansion bill was the will of the majority, and struck down by GW’s religious beliefs.
What was Clinton’s excuse? W is the only President in history to have funded ESCR, yet you ramble on as though he nuked the entire planet. Nothing is stopping Merck, Pfizer, CU, Bill Gates, or anyone or anything on the entire planet from funding research on ESC to their hearts content.
also, i, GW, know as absolute fact that nearly ALL of these 400,000 embryos will remain in cryostasis until their expiration dates, so there is no actual “inherent” about it, but hey, thats polictics, and im just a vote whore like everyone else.
The things nishi knows as an absolute fact would not fill a thimble.
I know this about nishi, if there is something that government is doing that she disagrees with it is due to the influence of the theocons, who are wrong invariably. One begins to wonder if she checks under her bed and in her closet for the dreaded theocons before she goes to sleep at night.
the majority of americans arent willing to extend the war in Iraq.
a significant proportion of them dont want to pay for it either.
majority rules.
ima get my ESCR fundage….that is for science.
ESCR isnt on my path to Allah anyways…its on my path to transhumanism.
A Large Haldron supercollider in the US would be more on my path to Allah.
;)
majority rules.
Nope. Perhaps in a pure democracy it does, but here we elect representatives who act in our interest as they see fit. No wonder you are so confused.
we already do research chimeras.
quite successfully.
been doin them for years.
majority rules.
Where?
And ha! because the majority of Americans don’t want gay marriage.
Anyway, I’m glad to see you admit that you want the gov’t to help pay for your religious journey.
You know what? It doesn’t matter. You have a vote you get to use and base on whatever you like. Your desire for transhumanism, your Sufiism, your hatred of Christians, whatever. Contribute money to and vote for the people and causes you feel close to. Just stop whining when other people do the same thing.
you all are just….so STUPID!
GW only cares about Iraq..he told u wat u wanted to hear to get ur votes.
haha, maybee, the Founders saw u coming.
that is why samesex marriage will be imposed by judicial fiat just like abortion.
haha, maybee, the Founders saw u coming.
????
You are the one talking about majority rules.
i certainly know more about adaptive heuristic search algorithms than u do, edu guy.
lawlz.
…because we don’t just blindly and instinctively agree with you.
you all are just….so STUPID!
And when confronted by uncomfortable truths, you do what you always do, lash out. I get it now, you’re a child with a big vocabulary.
maybee, the Founders wanted no religion to control the others.
that is why the separation of powers.
homosexuals are full citizens.
marriage as a benefit of citizenship will be imposed against your wishes.
if marriage is a sacrement, keep it in your church.
just like abortion rights.
When in doubt, call the people you do not agree with teh stooopid.
marriage as a benefit of citizenship will be imposed against your wishes.
nishi, I am for gay marriage. I voted against a gay marriage amendment in my state.
I am telling you that you are switching back and forth between ‘majority rules’ vs ‘protection from the majority’s desires’, and ‘government out of religion’ vs ‘government pay for my religion’ pretty randomly.
You are trying to hide what you personally want behind some larger principle, but you are floundering.
nishi’s religion of what she calls science is to be obeyed no matter what.
Any opposition to nishi’s particular pet issues can only be a result of theoconism, which is always bad.
Pushing forward nishi’s religious tenets is always good.
That about sums up her positions on everything.
i certainly know more about adaptive heuristic search algorithms than u do, edu guy.
Not that it matters, because if you really did know more, you would know enough to not cloak simple concepts in important sounding words. In fact, I think you use those smart sounding terms to avoid having to answer the difficult questions associated with their concepts. Which isn’t very sciencey. In any case, you have the built in shield of “theocons” to protect you from contrary ideas.
look…i told u how u can make IDT into a science.
i personally think that would be coolio.
but u rely instead on some sense of entitlement, that your religion deserves special treatment.
so u are doomed to failure.
She wants all religions, except for hers, out of government.
She wants majority rule to be the controlling factor, except for those times where her views are in the minority. Then, the courts must impose the minority’s beliefs.
yes Maybee i admire the Founders so much.
they were brilliant.
they protected us against demogougery and theocracy, while allowing citizens autonomy.
when i say majority rules, you know that is modulated by the fact we a republic, not a democracy.
my religion is not in government.
is there a muslim i was unaware of?
yes, JD, i think majority does rule, pretty much, except when it infringes on the rights of other citizens.
a muslim party?
look…i told u how u can make IDT into a science.
i personally think that would be coolio.
but u rely instead on some sense of entitlement, that your religion deserves special treatment.
so u are doomed to failure.
This is how I know you are not smart, because you need to run and hide behind things like this. This is a distraction, an argument to flatter your ego, and an obvious ploy to try to regain some lost ground which you can’t seem to make up by arguing against what people are actually saying. On the other hand, maybe your just drunk or something.
heavy lifting, IDT, Wedge theory, blah, blah, blah.
nishi is dishonest, and she is worse than the ones like datadave, because she intentionally distorts the others views. It is conscious and knowing.
JD – a high IQ and a massive ego have led to some of the worst things in human history. We should be glad she has no actual power.
my religion is not in government.
is there a muslim i was unaware of?
cute, but too obvious.
yes, JD, i think majority does rule, pretty much, except when it disagress with me.
Fixed that for ‘ya.
I am going to ask a truly honest question, which I expect only spittle flecked frothing from you, but here goes.
Can you not even imagine a non-theoconist view that opposes ESCR, gay marriage, etc … ?
Nishi – Your religion is this “science” that you claim to worship at the altar of.
demogougery
“Demogougery”? WTF? Ah, I see. You’re talking about those Blagojevich campaign contributions.
By the way: still not your Daddy, illit.
Muddled thinking is all teh nishi.
Nishi’s all for majority rule, except when people’s opinions coincide with, or are informed by, religious views. Then, their will should be superseded by someone smarter. Like nishi.
Can you not even imagine a non-theoconist view that opposes ESCR, gay marriage, etc … ?
oh yes i can imagine that….that is the theocon-panderers that want to wield a consensus.
Rove’s devil’s bargin with flyover country.
i have perfect confidence in the Founders vison…but sadly, i think the republican party will be destroyed.
no carin..
im sayin the Founders vision protects us from majority rule when that rule disenfranchises other citizens.
I REALLY don’t think the Founder’s vision included gay marriage.
I think a fleet of ice cream trucks will deliver a lifetime’s supply of rocky road at my house today.
And I have just as much reason for thinking it.
…except when those “other citizens” constitute a majority.
I REALLY don’t think the Founder’s vision included gay marriage.
They believed in the inalienable right to have federal $$ for your pet science projects. Seriously, I read that.
The trick is to get what you want (gay marriage, health care) to be called a right. Then the majority can’t block it.
That’s what liberal groups have learned.
oh yes i can imagine that….that is the theocon-panderers that want to wield a consensus.
Rove’s devil’s bargin with flyover country.
Too funny. Sure, she can imagine a non-theoconist related view of ESCR, etc., and she would if it weren’t for those meddling theocon-panderers.
Hopefully you will open your eyes to the roadblocks you keep putting in front of yourself nishi.
/shrug
im right and u know it.
certainly the Founders never imagined samesex marriage specifically….they imagined citizens trying to force their religious views on other citizens that didnt share them.
The trick is to get what you want (gay marriage, health care) to be called a right. Then the majority can’t block it.
Yes, and the other thing required is to change the definition of words, like marriage, to mean what it is you wish for them to mean. My old copies of the dictionary define marriage as between a man and a woman, whereas many new dictionaries omit this distinction. In this way, the old meanings will eventually just float away, down the memory hole.
well….im sad.
the democratic party has always been the party of entitlement.
it’s just that the republican party is an entitlement party now too.
so they are isomorphic.
Could you explain to me, Nishi, the difference between morality and religious views? This is a well-traveled argument, but why can’t siblings get married? Why can’t a man marry his dog? Why can’t a mother and daughter “marry” if they live together in old age and wish to have the same legal and tax benefits of a married couple?
I’m not arguing (here) that gay marriage is the same thing, but how is it different?
Wait, never mind. I’ve got stuff to do today.
oh yes i can imagine that….that is the theocon-panderers that want to wield a consensus.
Rove’s devil’s bargin with flyover country.
You really are a pompous arrogant little shit, aren’t you?
disenfranchises
Have you been kept from voting because of your beliefs, nishi? Or kept from doing anything for that matter …
They believed in the inalienable right to have federal $$ for your pet science projects. Seriously, I read that.
It is not just federal $$, it is unlimited and unending federal $$. But great point.
they imagined citizens trying to force their religious views on other citizens that didnt share them.
They didn’t have to imagine it, as they bore witness to it. Not the bullshit you whine about, but actual blasphemy laws that could see you burned at the stake for speaking out against the state religion. That they didn’t outlaw religion completely and instead just sought to remove from it the power of the state, should also serve as a clue about how most felt about religion personally then. You look at that second aspect and just pretend it doesn’t exist, or worse, that it means that only those with no religion are entitled to lead, which would indicate that you don’t have the first freaking clue about what the founders intended.
they imagined citizens trying to force their religious views on other citizens that didnt share them.
Hint: the First Amendment only applies to the FEDERAL government.
Hint #2: Marriage is governed by state law, not the Feds.
Hint #3: Look up how many states had an established church well after the ratification of the Bill of Rights.
Yet another subject on which you’re invincibly ignorant, it seems.
Almost 200 comments on bunnies?????
Oh, nishi … xtians … theocons …. you guys are pristinely masochistic, you are.
oh yes….but the Founders thought that their religion was the best, and that ppl would choose it naturally, without compulsion.
they thot multiplicity of religions was the best way to preserve freedom of religion.
i think….i think..that is wat is wrong with site anymore.
Jeffie was a fine constitutional scholar…and the the theocons are subverting the constitution.
this site.
:(
THEOCONZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are everywhere.
Apparently, having more than a rudimentary knowledge our our Constitution and History makes one an evil dastardly theocon.
but the Founders thought that their religion was the best
What religion was that, nishi?
Be specific.
I am still interested in how nishi’s religion, and the countries that actually live under their laws, view abortion, same sex marriage, and when they will advance science far enough to even contemplate ESCR.
heh theoconz r teh rud
scienses rulz teh mindes n u r diktetars of teh thoughtes
u allz wan mindes contrels un smartes iq peopleseseses lik mee 145 iq lulz!!11!!
alah laaf ats u sooperstishuns n sufees luv teh scienseses as them roks lol
gets outs uv mee govs theeoconz
i think….i think..that is wat is wrong with site anymore.
Jeffie was a fine constitutional scholar…and the the theocons are subverting the constitution.
You just had your ass handed to you through argumentation. You aren’t able to keep up, so naturally you will run to your familiar boogeymen. I’ll take this as concession that at least a part of you knows how phony you can be at times and so knowing, seeks a warm safe place to hide.
Enjoy your hidey-hole nishi.
JD i am a Citizen first.
citizenship trumps religion, gender, ethnicity, all.
that nothing to do with me as an Ameri-muslim.
SBP, some were deists, some were christians.
and some were masons, who believe religion should be private.
that has nothing to with me
I could not give a flying fuck if you claim to be a koala bear first, nishi. You say all sorts of shit. The fact is that you are a lying, disingenuous hack, with no actual knowledge outside of your limited, insulated, experience. Sad.
why did Ace win the blogger cup?
i think because hes secular.
and PW isnt anymore.
:(
SBP, some were deists, some were christians.
and some were masons, who believe religion should be private.
So in other words, you were talking out your ass.
As usual.
Still awaiting a response to the fact that several states had established churches at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights (and, indeed, for over half a century thereafter).
I love it when the nishidiot regurgitates a completely debunked arguement like the Masons, where she has previously had her ass handed to her.
Ace won the blogger cup because you were here instead of there.
thas write
teh relighuns of foundereses wuz privicies, doctrane uv leev mee teh fck ulone
so’s eye kin kilz teh leetle babees n mak soop uv gametes n soules celz lol
i think because hes secular. Clearly, you do not think.
!!111!!*200*!!11!! sux eet, theeoconz!!11!!
Still awaiting a response to the fact that several states had established churches at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights (and, indeed, for over half a century thereafter).
Self-correction: for “over half a century” read “nearly half a century”. Massachusetts disestablished its state church in 1833.
nishi
If anyone is most responsible with introducing religion into these conversations, it is you, with your constant cries of theocon and insistence that those who disagree can only be animated by overtly religious pretense. Your lamentations now, to that which is your own doing, is cute in it’s childlike wonderment.
S,B & P
State Church Is that anything like a religion? You know, like Teh Masons? ;-)
Still awaiting a response to the fact that several states had established churches at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights (and, indeed, for over half a century thereafter).
I’m not nishi, but would still offer up a hearty chorus of thank God for Thomas Jefferson and his allies in the VA legislature, as a sort of response. Of course, thanking God might seem theoconish to some, so apologies may be in order.
State Church Is that anything like a religion? You know, like Teh Masons? ;-)
Well, it was Congregationalists. Pretty close. :-)
There, EG, fixed that for you.
I’m not nishi, but would still offer up a hearty chorus of thank God for Thomas Jefferson and his allies in the VA legislature, as a sort of response
Me too. Of course, nishi’s head would asplode if she ever read what T.J. thought about Islam.
I think you’ve devoted far too much thought to nishi. Unless this is a long distance dedication, in which case: get a room.
hehe, naftali is an uber-jew!
he cant possibly like me that way.
i think he might be a rabbi ekshually.
Nishi, why do you hate Jews?
some of my best friends are Jews, hehe.
bEcawz she iz da l33t, and joos R unkewl
evrbudy nos dat lol
nut tru, ian-gsa
teh joos r aprthiid too palis n defende selfs frum muslms fredome fiters
theey r teh suxor lulz n kneed 2 giv up teh landes too muslm nativs thn dans hahvah negila b-4 swimmins too europ
sufees rulz lol
Do not want is an equal-opportunity employer.
The punchline to that old joke is, “…but I wouldn’t want my sister to marry one.
hehe.
well…i think you shud read this book, maybee et all, that Dr. Yes reccommended.
it is a future where the theocons get wat they want, their own state.
Jesusland.
i hope it wins the Nebula and gets made into a movie or a miniseries.
a mirror for you all, or a window into the future.
More like a blank wall.
You seem very sensual to me nishi. We should get together.