He’s been asking us to drop the Spitzer stuff and pay attention to other things, so I figured that, for a change of pace, we could go back to bashing John Kerry.
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Aah yes, “bashing” being asking factually based questions about John Kerry’s past & Congressional testimony. I believe the proper term is SwiftBoating
I can’t keep it straight. “Smearing” is still quoting someone accurately, correct?
To think that moron almost became our nation’s President…
And that both urban and foreign media org’s. gleefully pimped his creds – and denigrated his critics’ – just to get him elected…
So they could continue to be seen “speaking truth to power!” The vanity and lethality of it…
It all makes me very depressed for my country.
You’re a very naughty man, Mr. Collins.
Keep it up, I like it.
Pedanticliar probably just can’t stand it that “Kristen” got a thousand bucks for doing what Pedantic has been doing to Spittoon and his ilk for free.
Thanks, Mikey. It’s comments like that that make it all worthwhile.
I wrote some stuff in a post last night. Really. It’s somewhere.
“falsely accused American soldiers of routinely raping, torturing, and murdering innocent Vietnamese civilians.”
she wants to keep up the Mai Lai and Bob Kerry shit. Sorry, guys, but the other Kerry’s right about this and Michelle Malkin wasn’t there but I heard her rich husband beat up some hippy awhile back. Not that the Viet Cong were any nicer. Hey, we won the war in El Salvador.. and that countries worse off than Nam is now. Haiti’s another ‘win’ for us. Eating dirt.
Ah yes, DD, all of Southeast Asia is much better off than El Salvador now.
The millions purged in those countries cold not be reached for comment. Apparently, the killing fields and skull piles do not have high speed internet access.
dave? you’re not putting Liquid Nails on Ritz Crackers again, are you?
I like your work too, Jeff. You’re more of a rapier, Dan’s more of a warhammer.
The ends are the same, its just that a slightly different route is taken.
Good for him.
I wish you’d put Kerry in Gore’s Lockbox
I wrote some stuff in a post last night. Really. It’s somewhere.
I was serious about breaking Collin’s thumbs, you know.
Hey dave you really need to quit talking about shit you don’t know about other than to parrot North Vietnamese Communist and Soviet propaganda. You really look like a stupid fucker doing that.
I still like Kerry’s Presidential campaign slogan:
Remember, Benedict Arnold Was A War Hero, Too!”
Comment by SGT Ted on 3/13 @ 12:15 pm #
Looks like?
looks like a stupid fucker?
Hes the textbook definition of one.
mojo–
Do your worst! I’ll just hit the spacebar with my chin.
Well, we know he’s a stupid fucker. Others might not know, much like the saying “it’s better to keep quiet and be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth at remove all doubt.”
“Hey buddy – go rest your thumbs a while. I’ll drive.”
— Jerry Lewis to piano player, “The Wacky Professor”
(also Jeff Goldbloom in “Earth Girls Are Easy”)
I once punched a guy in the knee with my chin. In all honesty, I cannot recommend it.
Yeah, but it gets him good parking spots in Berkeley.
I want to know when ddave and cleo are going to admit the Democrat primary is a hopeless quagmire that no one can win. It’s been 8 years and the Democrats still can’t figure out how to fucking vote in Florida, World War II didn’t take that long! Abu Ghraib! Kyoto! ATTICA!!!
“she wants to keep up the Mai Lai and Bob Kerry shit. Sorry, guys, but the other Kerry’s right about this and Michelle Malkin wasn’t there but I heard her rich husband beat up some hippy awhile back. Not that the Viet Cong were any nicer. Hey, we won the war in El Salvador.. and that countries worse off than Nam is now. Haiti’s another ‘win’ for us. Eating dirt.”
I think we have Double-D figured wrong. If you look at this comment; its meandering style, it’s use of non-related points, it’s abrupt and irrelevant end, I think it becomes clear (if that’s the word) that this a Koan of some kind.
DD might be a Zen master of the Leftai school.
We should meditate on it.
currently meditating.
I just think DD can’t pass a Turing test.
Except for the fact that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the allegations made during his so-called testimony was disproved, and most of his fellow
travelerstestifiers were proven to be frauds (indeed, one person claiming to have “personally witnessed” these alleged atrocities was shown to have never EVER been on the fucking Asian continent, much less in combat in Vietnam/Cambodia).So which part of his so-called “testimony” does “that other Kerry” have right? (He couldn’t even pronounce “Genghis” correctly!)
I demand a Congressional inquiry…into DD’s comment.
jeesssh, you still waving those stupid peckerhead black mia/pow flags on your front lawns? RAMBO was a movie you know. Really, Vietnam is our counterbalance trading partner against China you know. After we nearly totaled their economy they went on and Beat China in a mini war that taught China not to fuck with them (’79 abouts). And a lot of ‘Nam vets get a royal welcome when they visit now. Even though the agent Orange’s effects are still around. Hey, my tai chi teacher friend is a Nam vet with lots of in-country experience collecting the gooks for interrogation and he gets testy about when asked about waterboarding and shit like that…”Hey, we had a CIA interrogator come in and do that shit once a week and the VC they’d have just shot us in the head.” … “…after we interrogated them we let the South Vietnamese deal with them’. And the other guy I knew who tallied and photographed the corpses for the body count…oh yeah, he verified some of what Kerry said but added, “Hell, they deserved it.” Lot of fucked up guys came home from the war but fortunately only a minority ever saw action. Many I met had drug dependencies which got them a “purple heart” discharge and a fat check of 2000 a month for decades afterwards…Their battle wounds were the needle marks on their arms…..driving up entitlement spending double in the ’70s.
but be real, most ‘nam vets did better than the average american and mostly it’s a myth that they somehow were damaged goods. Dude, some of you are testaments of that being retired and or double-dipping and typing on the keyboard all day.
Kerry sucked as a candidate as he just didn’t own up to his rebellion which considering the crap going on should have been a badge of honor as he did risk a lot going public with his disapproval of the war. But to kiss ass with the “power elite” he zipped his mouth about his youthful disapproval and Senator Bob Kerry did commit atrocities too and still got promoted to having a phat medal of honor. Being anti War didn’t help McGovern did it? Democrats have been much more conservative since then: Republican-lite.
garrison keiller: “what’s the difference between bill clinton, george w. bush and jane fonda?”
“at least jane fonda made it to viet nam.”
“dave? you’re not putting Liquid Nails on Ritz Crackers again, are you?”
I recommend PL Premium Polyurethane construction adhesive. can be had at home depot or lowe’s. Awesome stuff. and those crackers with rachel ray on the package.. wheat thins. Poison but addictive.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/13 @ 11:06 am #
dave? you’re not putting Liquid Nails on Ritz Crackers again, are you?
Damn you,Al!
bmoe…I sort of have been predicting a mccain victory for some time now…but not that I want it to happen. Obama, I’d prefer just for the ‘changy’ thing. Can’t wait to see how Patterson works out as governor of NY. Republicans there might wish Spitzer was still around to kick.
Dave, do your thoughts really run like that? Because if they do, you need some professional help.
Again, I’m constantly amazed how you can get something wrong in EVERY damned comment you make.
jeesssh, you still waving those stupid peckerhead black mia/pow flags on your front lawns?
There are a lot of people you would really, really not want to say that too. They’d even be willing to head out into the wasteland where you ply your carpentry trade to explain their objections to it in person. I really, sincerely hope this happens. And is captured on YouTube.
dogmadave is jealous because Pedanticliar got a post and he didn’t.
…you need some professional help. hmmmm, you’re advocating socialized medicine or something? *g*
RDub, ah the Freicorps are showing up. Away, put the liberals away into the ovens for their backstabbing and moral depravity. course, you be a poseur writing on walls. anyway, Liberalsahemmm angry losers
liberals
sorry, testing…
Pardon me, Mr. Dave, but may I have a word with you?
but be real, most ‘nam vets did better than the average american and mostly it’s a myth that they somehow were damaged goods.
After he spends a fucking paragraph slandering their good names by alleging just that. I would condemn you as an evil fucking liar, but time has convinced me you are just a muddle-headed idiot.
“Again, I’m constantly amazed how you can get something wrong in EVERY damned comment you make.”
DataDave;
You must be doing something right if Cobford thinks you’re wrong.
“dogmadave is jealous”
Magoo;
He is very jealous that he doesn’t have a scrumpdilicious blog site like yours.
Hey, it’s passing and maybe the spitzer thing has worn readers down, and we’re all trying to settle down to family or dinner time; but really I don’t hate ‘Nam vets. I tend to befriend them for some reason, even if they get all huffy about “Liberals” like the “liberal” had anything to do with them and I get an honorary pass for being blue collar or just hearing them out and respecting them as individuals but it’s the mob mentality of a pack swamping gawky Kerry’s canoe that gets me and the swiftboaters making up shit like he shot himself in the foot to avoid combat. Kerry pissed me off for not fighting back but maybe too much comfort and stability made him weaker than when he protested. And even if he was wrong about some things it doesn’t give them a right to restrict his write to speak. He did self censorship as advisors and such perhaps missed a chance to let him speak.
Ideological Litmus testing you know? I’ll admit the “left” does it too…but not so venomously (with perhaps the exception of the Clarence Thomas broohaha which kind of looked nasty) but then the Democrats only were trying to exert the legislature’s prorogative…..not by a mob of literal physically threatening neofascists which became more vociferous as in the first Iraq war when protesters such as myself were confronted by camo-wearing bikers with Free Kuwait* buttons and some guy spit on my handpaid poster after we were forced to leave ’em in a pile out of respect for “the Wall”. Many of confronters were indeed Soldiers of Fortune allowed to patrol the protesters by the police even though they weren’t police and wore threatening military regalia (and biker shit). Same guys that guard Phyllis Schafley (as if she needed guards) and sign up for BlackWater assignments.
* ask the slave laborers in Kuwait how “free” it is.
You only get paid for pimping my blog if you include the link. Now go back and do it right.
She also only gets paid for pimping my blog if she includes the link.
Pedantic, just how many clients do you have!?
Damn. Isn’t there a doornob you two need to assault?
garrison keillor: …“at least jane fonda made it to viet nam.â€Â
So dd, “some guy spit[ting] on [your] handpaid poster” irks you, but you and yours brag Hanoi Jane?
Oh, and ask garrison keillor how many Americans didn’t make it back because of the NVA anti-aircraft gun crew she so amiably cavorted with.
dude, she looks pretty good.
But really we’re a nation that respects the right of speech and conflicting opinions. For another, we were not ever threatened nor ‘at war’ with Viet Nam. So you can’t call her a traitor. We were there protecting a corrupt oligarchy of wealthy mostly Christian franco-phile elitists in a mainly Buddhist nation. Our allies there, a haughty bunch of “mandarins” had collaborated with imperialist French colonists and Japanese fascists. We had prevented an election of Ho Chi Minh in the 1950s knowing that he’d win the plebiscite in a huge margin as he was the liberator of Nam from the Japanese and the colonialists.
Our leaders never declared war and like the present “War” used lies and dishonest methods to waste American lives and massive resources to try to defeat that was popularly a fate accomplished post WW2. Ho was their natural leader, like his communism or not. We never really were threatened by him and his ilk and if they were eventually proven wrong over ‘command economics’ then we’d have opened up capitalism that much sooner w/o a dreary slog of a “war”.
I’ve said it over and over again, I am not a communist and I think Jane’s not one either (as she later divorced tom hayden who knows for what?) but democratic socialism is a totally different ‘ism’ as in democratic. To defeat the extremes of leftism then deny the forces that cause it: eXtreme income inequality and defenselessness against economic tyranny by a few. When you leave the many only the option of a gun or slow death by overwork and little sustainment, men usually but with women’s support will often pick up a gun and or organize in a radical faction to at least die in dignity against particularly a foreign occupier and oppressor.
As things are now McCain could win here in the USA if economic conditions maintain our current no growth sluggishness..but if the oil speculators and others “uncaring” continue on their corrupt ways… the economic shitstorm caused by conservatives’ extolling rapid deregulation and privatization will make for a more socialistic democratic on-slot or the resulting backlash of right-wing repression of the many by an Oligarchic few (and I doubt for a minute that blackwater’s minions are up for that task of offing the “liberals”) America could become like what was happening with the greedy overlords in “Nam. Plantation owners forcing peasants to be enslaved on French marketed rubber plantations, etc. kind of like the sweatshops of El Salvador today where private contractors with machine guns guard the doors of those sweatshops..thus feeding the diaspora to the USA.
Remove the conditions for growth of radical revolution by spreading the wealth is my answer to communistic movements: but instead conservatives promote death squads in Haiti, El Salvador and Pinochet’s Chile. I suggest a more subtle way. But America is currently being Haitianized: Wall Street is Oblivious to the costs of 4 dollar a gallon fuel. It’s trickling up very slowly but I am talking on the street, man, with O’Reilly Factor watching haulers suddenly getting Obama fever, truck drivers eating nothing but cold spaghetti all week even though they drive $100,000 rigs. Coffee shop owners losing the battle between higher rent and higher flour and coffee prices and declining customers having little money to spend. I am staying home more and cooking more myself.
And the cleaning lady, sorry, she’s cut back too.
At least I know what you do for a living, now.
“At least I know what you do for a living, now.”
Professional fucking idiot.
He gets paid!?
(I’ll bet he juices, too.)
I’m just amazed he can even type.
Socialism in any form hasn’t worked for very long or very well. Maybe you should go back to school and learn another trade.
Ever notice how easily lefties declare murderous thugs to be a “natural leader”? It’s almost as if they have a fetish for strongmen or something. They blame conservatives for “death squads” while the men they call “natural leaders” build death camps.
America is Haiti?
Dude, put the bong down and step away from the keyboard.
“But really we’re a nation that respects the right of speech and conflicting opinions. For another, we were not ever threatened nor ‘at war’ with Viet Nam. So you can’t call her a traitor. We were there protecting a corrupt oligarchy of wealthy mostly Christian franco-phile elitists in a mainly Buddhist nation. Our allies there, a haughty bunch of “mandarins†had collaborated with imperialist French colonists and Japanese fascists. We had prevented an election of Ho Chi Minh in the 1950s knowing that he’d win the plebiscite in a huge margin as he was the liberator of Nam from the Japanese and the colonialists.”
Such is the history you get when you don’t actually read history, but polemics.
1. She’s not a traitor, because we weren’t “at war.” — She openly gave vocal support to the enemies who were killing American soldiers to the tune of 100 a week. She may not have transmitted any useful data or physical necessities, but she gave them a propaganda coup that strenghthend their resolve and weakened ours. You may be right on the legalities, which is why she was never charged. But if the flesh wasn’t willing, the spirit sure wasn’t weak.
2. Our Horrid Allies and Ho “the Liberator” — Diem had legitimacy in a way that Ho never did; he had the blessings of the Vietnamese Emperor Bo Dai (Yes, the French left the Emperor there. Funny, that). We may regard that as meaningless, but the people of South Vietnam didn’t. Ho’s “popularity” stemmed from his willingness, in the years following the Japanese withdrawal, to form black-widow alliances with other nationalist groups — first they’d ally, then they’d kill them. By 1950 the democratic parties were gone because Ho had disposed of them. He was the only game in town. Diem had to build from scratch, and he largely did. Killing him was the single dumbest thing we ever did there.
There is an old saw to the effect that if you don’t know the difference between totalitarianism and authoritarianism, you won’t be able to tell the difference between Saigon and Hanoi. You say that you know the difference, dd, but when push comes to shove you seem to think that the totalitarians should win if they can manufacture some level of “authenticity.” Sorry, but that’s an asinine way of thinking. Fighting totalitarians doesn’t demean democracy, it’s the only way democracy can survive.
It’s a persistent myth that the people of South Vietnam hated their government, loved the Viet Cong, and saw Ho as their George Washington. To which I say “Enh,” “Bullshit,” and “No Farkin’ Way.” The SV’s may not have loved their government, may have wished for a better, may have demonstrated and even rebelled for one if it suited them. I’ll grant all that. But they fought against the North to the last breath. The VC were bastards, and whatever ARVN’s problems were, secret love of the enemy wasn’t one of them. ARVN’s desertion rate was cyclical and based on the harvest season; it wasn’t uncommon for guys to enlist, desert, finish the harvest, and then go back. We discovered this when we started putting together the Regional Forces/Provincial Forces, which recruited from the area they fought in and had a desertion rate near zero.
The Saigon government was nobody’s beaux ideal. But they were a damn sight better than what followed them. We let our side down with that, and we shouldn’t have, and everybody who advocated that course of action, from Hanoi Jane on down, should have to spend eternity explaining what the fuck they were thinking.
There are worse things than fighting a bad war. There’s losing one.