Geraldine Ferraro has stepped down from her role as a member of Hillary Clinton’s finance committee so that she can “speak for herself,” which suggests she will continue to defend her comment in an interview that “if Obama was a white man, he would not be” the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.
I was going to respond to bloggers like Josh Marshall and Kevin Drum, who argue that Ferraro is wrong, that Obama’s color has been a negative for him, and that if Obama were a charismatic young white guy, he would be pretty much where he is now.
However, Tom Maguire has a fairly comprehensive post up already, pointing out that the DNC, Andrew Sullivan and of course the aforemtioned Josh Marshall are among those already on record talking about Obama’s color as part of his appeal. No doubt Marshall would respond that it remains a net negative, given the number of racists voting in Democratic primaries and caucuses (though he would probably be a bit more oblique in arguing that point).
I would suggest — contrary to Marshall and somewhat contrary to Maguire — that this is a question to which we will never know the answer, not least because of the lingering suspicion that voters do not answer such questions honestly when asked.
I would also add a few points. First, Obama has gotten plenty of mileage out this year’s newest campaign ritual — the Obamapology which Ferraro currently refuses to give. Second, David Ehrenstein’s famous “magic negro†essay provides another explanation of why some whites would want to vote for Obama on the basis of his color. Third, if Obama was perceived as white, he might still be the “fresh face” trying to sell his lack of experieience as a feature instead of a bug, but given the overall zeitgeist of changitude in the current election cycle, it would have been easier for the sole female candidate — Hillary Clinton — to stand as as the symbol of that public mood. Fourth, it is mildly amusing that Democrats — who normally champion affirmative action as a benign measure that merely boosts the otherwise qualified over the obstacle of historical discrimination — are so desperately denying that this type of thinking is benefitting Obama.
(h/t Memeorandum.)
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Jeff’s update: Incidentally, let me add here that Obama’s response is, as ever with this calculating huckster, cynical and opportunistic — even as it pretends to aspire to the moral high ground (with just the right mixture of outrage and stoicism). Obama once again demands an apology because a white person noticed that his using his blackness effectively has been, well, effective for him (the key point here being that it is he, and not blacks in general, who Ferraro spoke of) — and in so doing, is sure to convince a number of weak-minded individuals on all sides of the political divide that they can buy themselves some easy grace (and burnish their anti-racist bona fides, in the process) simply by voting for him.
It’s a one stop shop for cultural penance — a way to unsully yourself of your despicable whiteness, and unburden yourself of your historical baggage. Which, I suppose, makes Barack the campaign equivalent to a Hail Mary.
Had the first serious black contender for President been a conservative, I believe it would have helped race relations in this country immeasurably. That he’s a Democrat will do nothing but set us back decades — and in the process erode our freedom of speech even further, all in the name of “tolerance.”
This cycle seems like a mad carnival ride from a bad Steven King novel (not sure if there were any good ones). It’s mid March and we’ve had more twists and turns already than we normally get between June and October.
Not that I’m displeased with most of them, by any means.
Thanks again, Karl. It’s a pleasure to read your work.
My favorite is when they do the “he lived overseas, he brings a unique perspective” thing. He lived overseas from ages 6-10 then after that he decided what sounded good was some pot and a little blow and then maybe he should be pezzydent. But for real, people think the life experience of a 7 year old is a foreign policy credential. These people are idiots. Ferraro should stick to her guns I think.
It’s more than mildly amusing. It’s inevitable.
Poor bastards.
“Ferraro should stick to her guns I think.”
Me too. It’s progwar to the death and the last person of gender/color left standing deserves… well, they deserve to get their ass whupped in November and be sent back to their collective.
Had the first serious black contender for President been a conservative, I believe it would have helped race relations in this country immeasurably. That he’s a Democrat will do nothing by set us back decades  and in the process erode our freedom of speech even further, all in the name of “tolerance.â€Â
Are you serious? How? Let me break it down for you: look at the youth. They are throwing aside racism and bigotry at a fast clip. I coach high school football with a population that is 65% white and 35% black (school population over 2400) And I see more interracial dating and interracial friendships day after day. Regardless if Senator Obama wins or not, time is kicking racism’s ass.
Had the first serious black contender for President been a conservative, I believe it would have helped race relations in this country immeasurably.
I don’t know about all that. Had Barrac Hussein Obama himself been nominated as a McCain republican, he would have got the same treatment Justice Clarence Thomas got. A republican black is inauthentic, especially Obama, who is half white.
Yeah the conservative black would have been labeled a sell out or not authentic.
I think, T-Steel, his point is that natural relations will never be promoted by hectoring and lectures. Now git me somma that brown sugar, bro!
Rick Ballard: “The Stand.”
T-Steel:
Do you think this attitude among youth — which I talked about wrt my own university teaching as far back as 2002 mind you — sprung from the Barack candidacy?
Of course not. But what we’re seeing in the Dem primary race is a battle of competing identity politics groups, each trying to navigate and negotiate the treacherous terrain they’ve created by promoting a PC culture.
A black conservative wouldn’t have run on his blackness, is my bet — and would have highlighted individualism. Obama’s people are more than happy to use his race as a positive when convenient, and as a bludgeon when others dare broach the subject.
That’s not “tolerance.” In fact, it’s the exact opposite.
I just hope the “youth” — who are nothing if not street smart — don’t pick up on how easy it is to use these identity markers as cudgels.
Lee —
The scenario you introduce virtually guarantees a cultural discussion on race — one that would have forced out into the open the implicit racialism of the “progressive” position on most racial policy. That would have been a good thing.
With Obama, we are not allowed to mention race. Or else we are shouted down as racists. Hell, even those on the left who’ve dared to speculate objectively on the fact of Obama’s race as it redounds to the fortunes of his candidacy have been pilloried.
Silencing is the object now; discussion would have been the result had the parties been switched. Because conservatives would have forced it — and it is conservatives, I think, who want to have the discussion on race. Progressives don’t want a discussion; they want to pretend the issue is settled, and that they hold the moral high ground.
Your racism is melting my snowman . . . who is black.
Had the first serious black contender for President been a conservative, I believe it would have helped race relations in this country immeasurably.
but there are no conservatives anymore….there are only theocons, and panderers-to-theocons.
;(
How do you know he’s black, Dan? Does he watch the WB?
[Senator Obama] is [a] calculating huckster, cynical and opportunistic
As well as a loyal Son of the Chicago Democrat Machine.
On the other hand, maybe there has been a second virgin birth.
same as it ever was,
same as it ever was.
This thread is not about religion, nishi. Give it a rest.
Besides, plenty of classical liberals are labeled conservatives. Ditto libertarians. Neither of which groups is notorious for its pandering to social conservative activists.
Jeff G. in the future could you refer to Obama’s people as Obama’s congregation? It would see more appropriate.
its always about religion.
:(
It would also help Nishi identify them.
Oh yeah. Mr. Goldstein is right. I know this cause I listen to the NPR, and they’ve had way way way way way more discussion about Mormonism than race this cycle. But Obama is decidedly black I think just cause he’s so quick to label Ferraro’s really rather truthy remarks harmful and unfortunate. That’s a very victimy thing to do, it’s something what gets internalized sometimes, and I don’t know what I can do to help. Ferraro really should stick to her guns though, cause whatever this Baracky is, he’s not a victim. He’s just not. No one who lives in Chicago what can afford cigarettes is a victim.
The scenario you introduce virtually guarantees a cultural discussion on race  one that would have forced out into the open the implicit racialism of the “progressive” position on most racial policy. That would have been a good thing.
We always hope for these types of things, don’t we? But Jeff, I have to agree with Lee: the Proggs would have tanked an “Obama R-IL” before his campaign got off the ground, with scurrilous rumors, nasty racial slurs, and the usual garbage.
You couldn’t wedge a productive discussion on the cultural aspects of “race” into that milieu with ten sumo wrestlers, each wielding a crowbar.
If Obama ends up in the WH and the repubs nominate a dark-skinned candidate later on, the case will be mostly closed. Getting to the moral authority summit is job one: engaging in productive dialog, not so much.
Jeff G., also in the future could you refer to the WB as the CW? … and also it was always really a lot more UPN that was the black one. They’re gone now too. But also you should know that Gossip Girl comes back on April 21. NG put that in her Outlook.
nope…….ferraro is wrong…O cud be white and if he had the charisma, hed just be jfk redux.
word up feets.
O is opportunistic and exploitive an i think he needs to be to get elected.
he scares me less that the lot of u….at least he doesnt want me pithed.
When did Gerald Ferraro grow brains?
nishi is a fucking imbecile, on her good days.
Yes, nishi, it is always about religion.
Provided, of course, that you define religion as any answer to a religious question. (Is there a God? What is the meaning of life? What is Ethical?)
In which case, progressivism counts as a religion, as does fascism, socialism, post-modernism, etc.
Geez, feets, I knew you were a trooper, but listening to NPR? Talk about taking one for the team!
Nishi do you ever find parrellels between conservative christians labeling anyone who disagrees with them unpatriotic or ungodly and Obama’s supporters labeling anyone who disagrees with them racists?
On Hardball today, the contortions people were going through to say that Obama is able to bring the races together in spite of his blackness was really hilarious.
at least he doesnt want me pithed.
Ok, but it’d sure be nice if you self tersed.
plenty of classical liberals are labeled conservatives. Ditto libertarians.
jeffie, name some plz.
i need new heros.
“Or else we are shouted down…”
You are in good company. The police officers in Barton Fink, at the end of the movie in the hot, hot hallway, were also shouted down.
Oh, and Rosanne Barr, while trying to sing the National Anthem at a baseball game many moons ago, was also shouted down.
So, you’re in really, really good company, getting shouted down and all.
dicentra —
The progs wouldn’t have a say over who conservatives nominated, in my hypothetical. And I don’t know if calling the first black presidential candidate inauthentic — particularly if you were a white liberal doing so — would be the best tack to take.
Ms. Ferraro should probably also acknowledge that some people are perfectly willing to vote for Hillary just because she’s a woman.
However, I figure that the charge of “racism” stings more than “misogyny” these days.
Obama might be doing pretty OK if he were white, yes, nishi, but Ferraro is right: lots of people want to be absolved of the sin of being white. It’s like the reason most people buy a Prius: they like what it says about them.
MayBee – What I found to be the most entertaining of that little bit of theatre is how nobody would point out that every time Barry O is criticized, or race is brought up, his congregation just squeals racism until some spineless fool apologizes. Self-aware, they are not.
If Obama was white he’d never have gone into politics I don’t think, cause he’d never have gone to Harvard, and he’d still be paying off law school and bitching about how much cigarettes cost in Chicago. Also, he would be ignored by the media, cause of his normativeness. His wife would still probably be one of those beloved highly paid healthcare executives though. Probably she would be not particularly helpful.
Nishi —
Glenn Reynolds, for one. Me, for another.
Why don’t you go play with someone your own age, nishi.
Racists. One and all. Sexists too. And looks-ist. And Kyoto-ist. And nishiphobes. And theocons. You are all theocons. And gleenwaldophobes. And andy-ists. And hookerphobes.
guarantees cultural discussion on race  one that would have forced out into the open the implicit racialism of the “progressive†position on most racial policy.
Perhaps, but I’m confident the left would shut down discussion by declaring him a token, thus inauthentic, and then attack his character, free from any of the criticism that an “authentic” black man like Obama enjoys.
i mean…..u dopes.
bilary scripted that.
get a clue.
“at least he doesnt want me pithed.”
What would be the point – assuming a fine enough needle could be found? You’re nothing but reflex now, pithing wouldn’t change that.
A white BHO would be Howard Dean. Clinton’s lack of organization coupled with the Dean/SEIU loan of a real organization is the only reason why the cheap Chicago hack pol hasn’t been laughed offstage already.
jeffie….sadly, i gotta put u both in the panderers category.
Ack. I know, d. As soon as I build my new computer I’m done with NPR I think. Mostly I use them as an alarm clock… I keep it fairly low at night and the BBC puts me to sleep and then NPR comes on at 2 and usually someone says something so stoopid I wake up pretty early, and kind of pissed off. Early is good. Pissed off is kind of good too. They are really going to town on this Ferraro thing tonight though I should say. NPR is kicking her ass. Stupid racist bitch.
The progs wouldn’t have a say over who conservatives nominated, in my
hypothetical.
In that case, who is having the discussion on the cultural construction of race? The dextrosphere? The Repubs? The Right? Because we already get it, as far as that goes.
As for the sinistrosphere, they might listen in, were we to have such a conversation, but all they’d hear is “n*gg*r, n*gg*r, n*gg*r, n*gg*r, n*gg*r.” I mean, that’s all they hear on this very thread, as well as PW posts in the past.
And I don’t know if calling the first black presidential candidate inauthentic  particularly if you were a white liberal doing so  would be the best tack to take.
And yet I could swear that the charge raised its gooey little head awhile back there, before it was pounded back down into the swamp. Obama wasn’t “really” black because his ancestors weren’t slaves and he wasn’t raised in the ‘hood. Something stupid like that.
Besides, when did something not being a good idea ever stop the proggs? If they were wedded to the idea of pursuing good ideas, they wouldn’t be proggs?
nishi is a sexist and an age-ist. And she is thinking-phobic.
A white BHO would be Howard Dean.
but taller.
and better lookin.
an a good speaker….and charismatic…..
duh.
a white BHO wud be JFK.
JFK would puke in his grave if he could hear you invoking his good name in relation to some empty-suited socialist.
A white BHO would be John Edwards.
nishi,
i have to put you in the immature, far more book-smart than street smart, annoying prat category
or should i put you in the converted muslim makes everything about religion category
both i guess
:(
BTW, it seems that Jeff has made my post sticky. And Elliot Spitzer wasn’t involved.
Is there one thing that Gerald Ferraro said that is not 100% true? How in the world have her words become a “racial slur”?
I am proposing a campaign. Everyone should start ending every comment with a simple “racist” blast. As is, the charge has been so bastardized and abused so as to be completely devoid of meaning. We should help it along that path and make it utterly meaningless by its sheer repitition.
Racists.
Karl….ima sociobiologist first.
tribalism is the substrate that everything grows on.
religion is memetic tribalism.
tribalists.
Jeff used bona fides! Damn, it’s good when you post – some of us oldies need that anti-deconstructionist boost. It’s better than most inhalants, erm, well, that I’ve heard about anyway.
Strangely, I’m finding myself in oblique agreement with Nishi. We are witnessing – and this tortured strangle on oppressed and oppressor is specimen – the ascendency of state-as-God in Mr. Obama. Let’s pray (metaphorically of course) that the progressive new elect don’t quite have the collective Flutie to achieve Obama’s triumphal entry. (Though the obligatory piggy-back ride on Ted Kennedy down Pennsylvania Ave has a rather macabre appeal.)
Yes, I just called Ted Kennedy an ass.
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….ima sociobiologist first.
and a biogenetist, and a game developer, and a war gamer, and a mathematician, and a professional genius…
Is there anything you don’t know everything about, nishi?
err, not free from any criticism…
i need new heros.
Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz
This is starting to sound like a bad Pinky and the Brain episode.
Pinky: “Gee Brain, what do you want to do tonight?”
The Brain: “The same thing we do every night, Pinkyâ€â€Try to take over the world.”
Pinky: “How?”
The Brain: “We will run for President and anyone that disagrees with us is a speciest.
I like asking partisan Dems, whether Clinton or Obama supporters matters not a whit, why they see a need to deify their candidates. Obama is something just south of a Godhead; Hillary is a referendum on womenhood in general and their role in modern western civ.
I never hear any GoP’er talk about Bush, or McCain or Rudy or whomever as indicative of a fundamental moral shift in human interpretation. Most people I know voted for them because they are somewhat congruent on the issues and pose the least likely threat to their interests.
I asked a colleague of mine at the mag this and she had no answer. BTW, she is a 100% certifiable changey changedness addict.
she seems not to understand that all politicians wake up in the morning and decide who gets tossed under the bus; she viewed my statement that all i hope for is a lower marginal tax rate before I get screwed and a POTUS that will at least try and kill the scumbags that tried to kill me on 9-11 as disillusioned.
also, the notion that I am pulling for Geraldine Ferraro is just very foreign to me. but cool.
No. Once s/he is the nominee on the Repub side, the Dems would have to deal with him/her.
Remember, most Americans frown on affirmative action. So I think the prevailing attitude on race doesn’t quite match the progressive formulation.
Nishi —
Happily, you’re mistaken. I’m not a pander. That you would think so doesn’t speak particularly highly of that intellect you like to trot out like a show pony.
all right theocons…..i’ll tell u wat jeffie and dr.yes wont.
a justice of the peace marriage IS A FUCKIN CIVIL UNION!!!!!
a fertilized egg IS NOT A HUMAN!!!!
and if ur 12 year old needs an abortion and cant talk to u about it……
THEN U ARE FUCKIN SHITTY PARENTS AND XIANITY IS USELESS AS A MODEL FOR RAISING CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, Mac, I never thought I would live to see the day when Gerald Ferraro said something, and I found myself nodding in agreement. Looks like she took one for the team and stepped down. Another “racial uniter” scalp for Barry O.
she viewed my statement that all i hope for is [stuff] as disillusioned.
Well, compared to the over-hyped hopitude and delusional optimism that passes for progressivism, any nod to Cold Hard Reality is bound to look jaded and cynical.
Too bad your co-worker doesn’t realize that the apex of cynicism is a driven leader who knows how to exploit hope and optimism…
The Dems have gotten really far away from talking about actual presidenty things, but McCain is probably this close to booking the mostest expensivest dirtiest whore ever just to get his name mentioned.
And the rest of Nishi’s brains just leaked out of her ears in one fell swope.
I wish I were smart enough to put together an argument like that, I am in awe.
Damn…excuse me while I wipe all the spittle and bile from my screen.
All caps. And bold. And exclamation marks. How could I ever have doubted you, nishi? Now I see the error of my ways. I am converted. I must follow the path of Allah, PBUH, and worship science as my religion.
You really are a fucking whack job, aren’t you?
Wow, nishi. It’s a good thing you were on this thread at this moment, because now you’ve opened my eyes to the truth.
I will be forever in your debt. Now where’s that Obama rally!
“the Dems would have to deal with him/her.”
Which they would do in precisely the same manner which they did with Clarence Thomas. A nice quick lynching with a thick “not authentic” rope.
Yes. I know. BHO’s “black” experience is a 100% zirconium diamond. So?
ANyways, you can tell he’s “authentically” black ’cause his autobiography (written at the ripe age of 34) focuses on the sperm donor who abandoned him rather than the people who raised him. What could be more progressively “authentic” than that? Menchu got a Nobel for it – why shouldn’t BHO get the Presidency?
Mcgruder: I look at it as a confrontation between the battle tanks and the Karmann Ghias. Maybe it’s time to downshift. Let the engine do the work for once.
Holy fucking shit. I am STILL LAUGHING AT YOU NOT WITH YOU NISHI YOU ARE A BRAINLESSFUCKING LITTLE GNAT GNAWING ON THE TEET OF THE UNIVERSE AND YOUR DAILY ATTEMPT TO DIVERT EVERY TOPIC TO A POINT WHERE YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOU STANDARD DAILY RANT AGAINST CHRISTIANS IS MORE SAD THAN ANYTHING ELSE I HOPE BARRY O GIVES YOU ALL THAT YOU DESIRE WHILE HE IS GIVIGN IT THE REST OF US IN THE POOP CHUTE WITHOUT LUBE MAYBE YOU CAN CONVINCE HIM TO LUBE UP AND SLIDE IT IN THE FRONT DOOR FOR YOU GROW UP AND GET SOME HELP THOSE VOICES YOU HEAR IN YOUR HEAD THEY ARE NOT REAL AND YOU REALLY SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO THEM
a justice of the peace marriage IS A FUCKIN CIVIL UNION!!!!!
Sorta. Actually it depends on the JP. In Texas, JPs pocket the fees for weddings, word of mouth is involved, so really they have a lot of incentive to dress well and put on a good show and say a prayer and really bring a lot of dignity to the whole thing. You probably think most jp weddings happen at the JP office. That’s true just in big cities, but a lot they will go wherever and really do take a lot of care and bring a lot of respect to the ceremonies they do. It’s not as sterile and secular as all that, how you think. It’s still very much a social covenant.
a fertilized egg IS NOT A HUMAN!!!!
This is true really more often than not cause all sorts of things come from eggses. Like turtles and walruses and hummingbirds. And breakfastses.
if ur 12 year old needs an abortion
She is very likely a slut, and it’s probably a lot your fault.
I agree with Nishi. Christianity is as useless as policy because it’s fungigble. reproductuve age should be tied to the driving age, just for the hell of it,
A Presidential race is different from a SCOTUS confirmation hearing. And of course, we’re nearly 2 decades on.
Sexist
Who says Obama is a Black man?
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…..if you have one drop of White blood in you you are a White man.
oops, will pick it up later.
I agree with both sides on this one. I know, kind of mealy-mouthed. I do think that were the R’s to nominate a black man or woman to the Presidency, much would be made about their “privileged upbringing” or would be otherwised portrayed as an outlier to the narrative of the black experience. On the other hand, I think that McCain should nominate J.C. Watts as vice-president. It would force the media and the Left (redundant, I know) to actually address the issues, including race, and now allow the socialist to hide behind changiness rhetoric while firing out the racist charge everytime someone points out one of the hundreds of reasons to think that he is completely unqualified to be President.
She is very likely a slut, and it’s probably a lot your fault.
I blame rap music and video games.
I think it would be neat if McCain picked Condi. I like her, but the Power Line guys would probably get the vapors pretty bad. They’re very doctrinaire about some things.
Condi would be good too, maybe even better, since she simultaneously blunts 2 identity politics cudgels – race and gender.
And she looks great and has class and would really confound Mi’chelle Obama a lot.
I miss smart, engaging trolls. Like timmeh
Pfft. Alphie had ’em all beat.
Tai Chi Wawa is back though. She’s not a troll but I missed her cause she’s charming.
Actually, there was a black republican 2008 presidential candidate.
… and I meant to say “fungible.” Because who puts the fun and gigs in this sorry campaing more than the Hellion?
Alan Keyes reminds me too much of Gary Coleman. He really does. Except he’s not very funny.
Michael Steele might be a more effective candidate than Condi or J.C. Condi has good name recognition but she doesn’t have any campaign experience.
J.C. feels kind of stale. Steele, I think.
I miss smart, engaging trolls. Like timmeh – You have got to be fucking kidding me.
The worst ever was that one guy. Jack Kemp. Hopeless dork. He did a lot to make it ok to hate white people I think.
hf,
Quick – name three black Dems with the stature to run for VP.
I’ll give you Doug Wilder as a starter.
reminds me too much of Gary Coleman.
Oh, sure…sneer if you must, but I’ll have you know that when Gary ran for California Governor, he came in 8th in a field of 135.
Not small time, my friend…
Um. Oprah. And Richard Parsons, except I think he might be a Republican. Also Morgan Freeman. He’s so nice.
In truth I don’t really have a good sense of Gary Coleman, the man.
OK,
Oprah and Morgan Freeman are both good picks. Much better than BHO wrt honesty.
Parsons is/was Republican but he did do a stint as a politician (which I forgot to mention as a prerequisite).
I know I’m coming in late, but —
nishi, we’re gonna need something with that. Stone tablets would be good, or a golden book. Maybe a burning bush, just for light to read it by.
It’s been two thousand years since shrieking nonsense with maximum spittle counted as prophecy. Nowadays we’re sophisticated, y’know? Got to have something. Perhaps the concept is “bona fides”.
Regards,
Ric
– It would seem that if you have a 12 year old that turns up pregnent, her pregnancy is just one of the issues she has. But what do I know.
– A visitor from another planet, learning our species in a total way, would still look at the 91%+ voting rate of Blacks for Obama, and scratch its head at the screaming denials going on in the Farraro dustup. That diachotomy would necessarily escape said alean, were he not fully appraised of the Victorian worm that bored its way into the American consciousness from the first puritan toe that touched the north Amrican continent.
– In other words, the American Id can stand up to its eyeballs in racist shit, and preach equality.
– People that brag about the mingly and inter marraige of the races assume that anyone who disagrees with that as a perfect goal, badly defame others that simply do not like the idea of a milk chocolate planet. Viva La diferance is not racist, and never should have been permitted to be defined that way in the first place. But argue that in any direction, pro or con, even more interesting is the evangelical fevor that the Left invagles for such a thing, while at the same time gurgling endless “secular sermons” on the subject of diversity. Talk about diacotomies.
– Ferraro is exactly right. Her crime was in speaking such blasphamy in public. I think the woman is a perfect example of the dedicated Liberal shill, but this time shes right.
– BTWE. Responding to an earlier post. She did in fact. say hillery is where shes at because shes a woman. In fact several times on FOX and elsewhere she amplified that statement, even saying several times she jerself would have never been on the Mondale ticket in ’84 had she been a Gerald instead of a Geraldine. For people heavily invested in the protected group dogma that will constitute a punishable offense also. So we have two protected groups that cannot stand the truth being spoken. Wonderful.
hf, I think this says alot.
Coleman was a candidate for governor in the 2003 California recall election. This campaign was sponsored by the free newsweekly the East Bay Express as a satirical comment on the recall. After Arnold Schwarzenegger announced his candidacy, Coleman stated that he would be voting for Schwarzenegger. Coleman placed 8th in a field of 135 candidates, receiving 14,242 votes.
I think Coleman is like William Shatner, satiracal in nature.
Oh, that’s junk “science”. Obama isn’t ahead because we’re “caught up in the concept” of a “black man” being president– he and Clinton are tied in the polls.
And specifically, Obama’s ahead in the delegate count because he’s got a great staff and makes good campaign decisions than Hillary and her staff. She was being outplayed. Tx was a good example: she was ahead by 20+ points and obama thinned the margin down to near nothing– pulling in hispanics, non-whites!
Obama’s simply shown that he’s just as much a heavyweight as she is, that he’s a contender and jerry F. was just another part of the sink that was thrown at him.
I used to think that the first Black person to be president would be from the conservative side of the aisle. I hope that will still be the case. Steele is currently doing political commentary on Faux Newz. I think with some name recognition he could go places. He comes across well, certainly better and more reasoned than a lot of his competitors in that arena.
I don’t know all his views, though, so I don’t know if I could support him. When I was a wee lad, I actually thought that voting for a woman on the basis that she was a she was a good thing. I forget if you can partially blame me for both Feinstein and Boxer, but I voted for at least one of them. Never again; not because they’re women, but because they do a whole lot of things I don’t like.
Really though, this is exactly the kind of thing that shakes the confidence of all but the most freaky Obama disciples. I’m just figuring cause the faux-impassioned righteous discussion where NPR trying to do damage control was precisely the faux-impassioned righteous discussion they’ve been claiming Baracky transcends. They notice it if I do I’m pretty sure.
Coleman is a survivor, I’ll give him that for sure.
oh. where NPR *was* trying to do … it really was something of a show they put on.
What the frick is a nishi?
Ferraro carries the racist pattern of the Clinton’s forward
Who my favorite would have been was Tony Snow. He’s like the coolest ever, even if he is white.
nishi, you burn my friggen eyes.
Jeff, will the new site upgrade have an “ignore” poster button.
TJ – Exactly what was racist about what Gerald Ferraro said?
Note to Obama:
I’ll tell you what I’m sick of, not that you care. I’m tired of being told how I should react, both by the right and the left, black or white. I’m tired of the manufactured outrage. I’m sick of the reflexive labeling and the lazy toss-offs all sides offer as political justification, but there’s no support or substance there.
I’m tired of your gauzy positions, and your unfounded suggestions that you will do something revolutionary and outrageous. You’re nearly off my list, and I have one. I’m not talking about changeosity. I’m not even talking about viability.
You are fading from my radar, as it were. You had better recalibrate.
Obama’s simply shown that he’s just as much a heavyweight as she is…
You really don’t have any idea what you just said, do you?
cynn – I am sorry for all of the mean things that I have ever directed your way. Truly. That was very well said.
djames – What flavor is that kool-aid?
[…]
How can he say that and keep a straight face, and how can any reporter listen to that, and not spew out “do you expect me to believe that drivel?!”
Ferraro pointed out that Obama was Black, and that his being Black was helping his campaign — as evidenced by people like Marshall and Sullivan and many others who have pointed out that Obama is exciting and, you know, a uniter, by virtue of his blackness.
Which is simply not done. Unless it’s pointed out in advance of his actual rise. Then it’s prophetic.
The ink is black, the page is white, together we learn,
to read and write.RACIST!Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz
Reminds me of when I mailed a letter to a friend living in Japan. It had Nimitz or Halsey or someone like that on the stamp, and purely by coincidence it was postmarked on VJ day.
I spend a couple of hours at my regular web gig and nishi recreates the opening of the Lost Ark. Bad timing on my part.
Same reason JD’s compliment is misplaced. cynn’s statement is very mature and serious and all that, but when it comes down to November she’ll pull the lever — or mark the box, punch the chad, or finger the screen-square, as appropriate in her jurisdiction — with the (D) by it, thus validating every scrap of this and contradicting what she just expressed. Because it’s her Party, and the Other Guy, well, isn’t.
Much to be said for that sentiment, still.
Regards,
Ric
If Hussein Obama was a white guy with a big mouth wife and Chicago mob connections he would have got less votes than Kunich, and would have embaressed the mob so bad they would have knocked him off.
“Bad timing on my part.”
I dunno, Karl, I had never considered morons to be an actual tribe prior to this evening. Being exposed to a tribal chief has expanded my…
Yeah, too bad you were tied up.
I look forward to your next analysis of the organizational dysfunction within Team Clinton – long may it continue (both analysis and dysfunction).
Okay, that’s two comments eaten by the blog in a row. I’m done for now.
Jeff better check his William Bennett manual of color-blind cliches. I don’t think it says anywhere that the only reason that whites would vote for a black candidate is the need for “cultural penance.” My elderly barber in Morehead, KY was more on the mark when he told me that Barack Obama is doing well because he’s “cool” and followed that up by saying that “a lot of black people are cool.” Maybe Obama has an advantage because he’s . . . well, not very much like Jeff.
Then you should be like really, really a magnificently successful personage of some sort, no?
If, I should say when, a contending black prez candidate arises on the right, I do not think he or she will be effectively attacked from the left as inauthentic, as lee and JD I think mentioned earlier.
That attack would backfire among many blacks and moderate Dems; think how the Jane Hamsher “blackface” incident or the Michael Steele “oreo” incidents would appear to the general public in a national campaign, instead of kept under the radar here within the blogahedron. the attacks would split off just enough black votes alone, not to mention a lot of nice soccer moms, to tip several big states to the Reps. I think they’ll try it, mind you, since they have no shame and their hate knows no bounds, but it would be suicidal in the general.
Also, Obama’s race is essential to his appeal in one way at least: his body embodies one of the two wings of the Dem party which he unites, the Antiwar/college elite/proggs and the blacks. That leaves Hillary with the public unions, older rust belt union/retirees/Roosevelt voters, white boomer women, and most of the Hispanics I believe. Which is just under half needed, apparently.
But I gotta give a shout out to #103 djames, for pointing out that a lot of O’s lead is pure execution. Hats off to Barack for that. Sweet to watch him steal the march on Hill, and now she’s playing catch-up, until now she forced to bring out the Dem’s secret weapon for the past quarter century…GERALDINE FERRARO!
Shock of shocks! Another Ric Caric strawman, dropped into the comments of a rightwing fluff site that, for whatever reason, Caric continues to read regularly.
– wait, I remember. Something about my making conservatism hip — making me especially dangerous. Though here, I’m evidently uncool — the opposite of Obama, whose hipness rests with…uh, what? Being former editor of the Harvard Law Review? Being married to a ballbuster who, before her handlers got to her, serially emasculated him in public? Being depicted by a white guy on SNL?
DON’T CROSS THE BEAMS! NEVER CROSS THE BEAMS!
Of course, nowhere do I say that “the only reason that whites would vote for a black candidate is the need for ‘cultural penance.'” In fact, my qualification was specific. Allow me to quote myself:
Now, unless Caric is going to argue that I believe all whites are weak-minded, or that all whites who vote for Obama are doing so because they desire racial penance — both of which assertions I deny — he is doing what it is he always does: throwing out ad homs and innuendo, and hoping that nobody notices how remarkably bereft of substance his arguments (if you can call them such) truly are.
Oh, and by the way: I don’t deny that there are ALSO weak-minded individuals who will pull the lever for the next leader of the free world because they “think he’s cool” — hell, all it took was Clinton blowing on a saxophone on Arsenio to make him “the first Black President” — just that those weak-minded individuals (like, for instance, Caric’s “elderly barber”) are different than the weak-minded individuals I was referencing in my remarks.
That, and they are doubtless almost all white.
Is it cool to go to an uncool elderly barber? Maybe if you get a flattop, otherwise you’re just a poser.
I don’t think Caric ever has to worry about being called cool. In fact, under different circumstances, I bet he’d call such “cool” worship a sign of “hypermasculinist” syndrome.
Because he’s an intellectual charlatan, you see.
And also thems what will nod their heads to Geraldine Ferraro’s thinger are hispanics a lot I would bet. I heard someone said Florida might have a do-over?
So Obama will not be elected on the basis of white guilt but rather on the basis of being “cool.” That makes me feel so much better about my country.
Come to think of it, maybe this is why Dole never won.
– “Come to think of it, maybe this is why Dole never won.”
– You’re thinking of the Mondale/Ferraro ticket.Dole got his grove back at the last minute with that kewlies ED ad, but it was too late for the bros to notice.
– Now if we’re all done doing our best Kingfish immitations, it might be informative to ask why we spend so much time and energy rediscovering blood is thicker than party, and apparently amazing ourselves about it. over and over and over.
Isn’t that an Andy Gibb song? God rest his soul?
I thought the progs were like all about speaking truth to power, whatever that means.
Picture this:
Geraldine Ferraro speaking truth to power about identity politics
Tower of Power laying down tunes in the backgound
The tune – What Is Hip
Liberal heads explode
What is Hip?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xE-TfJQ0WKA&feature=related
Prof Caric
It is the Democratic primary… thus the Democrats that are running would be seen as “cool” and as “doing well”… everyone else not so much
– Seems to me one has a slear choice at this point, to either accept the proferred meme of the SecProg collective that they have indeed emulated Christ and risen above the rapacious frailties the hunan flesh is weak to, rejecting the sexist/racist/xenophobic/homophobic pestulance in favor of a mass coming together in one grand utopian group hug of diversity and everlating tolorance and neighborly love, or…..They’re just another gaggle of lost and desperate souls looking for any way they can dream up to be different,
– Probably this election cycle is going a long way to clear up the confusion,
Read many years ago:
True racial equality in America will not be shown when a talented black man can make it as far as a talented white man; but rather, when an incompetent black man can make it as far as an incompetent white man.
Feel even better!
Not only is the white Obama voter’s co-opting of Obama’s “cool” to add to his own self-image illegitimate and RACIST!, Obama himself has co-opted this unevident “cool” he’s supposedly got illegitimately.
So it’s third-hand double-fake RACIST! “cool,” like a suburban Vermont skinhead kid in Insane Clown Posse make-up has.
I’m so proud of America, I just shat an eagle.
And look — he’s got a little Lincoln hat on.
–And look  he’s got a little Lincoln hat on.
– Careful…Any minute now you’re in danger of breaking into a tap dance and channeling Al Jolson….
caric really is a sad pathetic little man.
No wonder they have those curtains on the voting booths.
Ohnoes. And all the lights that light the way are blinding. What you cannot cannot let them do is run the okey doke on you.
The whole thing is absurd in a Weimar kind of way.
–“….they want to pretend the issue is settled, and that they hold the moral high ground.
– Well, now that they’ne blown that one out of the water like a neutron torpedo launch from the Interprise, what is their next nove, a bird of prey cloaking device…
– The moonies have some ‘splaining to do, and the old lexiconal dissembling ain’t gonna cut it in this next round…..
You know, besides being cool … black people can dance. And jump.
Snappy dressers, too, Carin.
And, I said it again, but I think nishi is supposed to be taking medication. She ran out or something. Or, perhaps she’s tipping the bottle? Because, that was just weird.
Or, I said it before. more coffee.
nishi just jumped the whole fucking aquarium. I’d like to see Caric try that.
Since when do you go to old men to find out what’s cool?
– Me, I think I’d shift that thing in civics class about not using a persons ATM card after you murder them to an earlier grade. But then I’m always for simple solutions.
I think nishi is just used to getting her way, and used to talking to other children who have the same basic assumptions that she does. Like science is The Word and absolute. Some of us are old enough to remember when scientific presumptions were different than today and realize scientific thought is not all that absolute. We still don’t know it all. Not long ago, for instance, the atom was the absolute smallest particle of matter. To say a fertilized egg absolutely doesn’t have a soul you are saying it doesn’t have something you can’t measure, locate or even define. That is decided unscientific thought.
Hey, if you’re a muslim and your 12 year old needs an abortion, can she talk to you about it?
= Moe. They have a filter that simply blocks out certain concepts and strings of words, making it impossible for them to hear it. Believe Me, as a scientist I’ve tried. They see us sucessfully use models and run off basing all their beliefs on ideas that mimic reality, but are really just usefull tooth picks and duct tape constructs, that in no way we are sure of, represent the world around us. How do you explain that to someone, and not watch their heads explode.
This whole thing IS quite amusing.
I think the main drawback, though, is that it is beginning to emerge from the fog that 1968 will look like the teddy bear’s picnic if Obama loses for ANY reason, including the fact that he is an empty suit.
Get your Christmas shopping done early and put on your seatbelts, because if the Big O loses, I think the cities of America are not going to be a lot of fun for a while. The “Reverend” Shuckton (and some of his lesser known cronies) is/are already vaguely threatening a much larger repeat of the 125th Street record shop affair.
After all the years of the “dumbing” of our fellow citizens, it seems that, no matter what the outcome, Obama is a a looming trainwreck.
Toot! Toot!
I think nishi just couldn’t handle the fact that no one here acted like the mythical theocon in her head, and had a cognitive dissonance breakdown.
Looks like nishi picked a bad day to stop snorting crank.
Where does that little bitch Caric get off calling me elderly?
I got some special hair gel for his next bowl cut.
THAT.LITTLE.FUCKING.POOF!!!
Finally, a plausible explanation for the bad haircut.
Streams, Jeff. Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Right, that’s bad.
Sorry, just watched it again last weekend, and the memory is still fresh. Intellectually: much more serious than Dr. Caricature.
Had the first serious black contender for President been a conservative, I believe it would have helped race relations in this country immeasurably.
The first woman prime minister in the UK was a Conservative. That ought to have some relevance as a test to your idea.
After her election the progressives (particularly feminists) derided her as inauthentic or as following a men’s agenda. I suspect that a black conservative (or even a black liberal) will end up accused of precisely the same failings.
The real magical blacks are those prepared to live in the ideological ghetto defined by the white middle class left.
Don’t push the river.
Something about my making conservatism hip
not any more. :(
if u were cool ud know andy gibb is in hell.
this site usta be cool.
it was secular, irreverent, snarkyintelligent and hypercool.
ice cold.
u usta be teh uberl33t memetic warrior.
not anymore.
this site usta be cool.
And now you’re here. Hang on, I’m getting a whiff of corollary.
Well, even Elvis aged and wore sequined jump suits, nishi. You should really just accept it as inevitable. Like science.
“Cool” is relative. Some people think it’s cool to not use punctuation and speak in gamer lingo.
… but most of us take it as a sign of a developmental disorder.
Reduced to misquoting Fonzi from Happy Days about black coolness in order to seem hip to the kids again, huh Prof Caric? What, ran out of misinterpretations of famous MLK speeches to bastardize, to make yet another invalid & pathetic point for us to scoff at. Thanks!
Once again begging the question how useless is modern academia today or how wasted is the money spent getting an education today, when a couple of hours of TVLand watching would produce he same inarticulate, mindless dribble you effortlessly spout.
Does this mean that we have entered Protein Wisdom the Vegas Years? If so, I’d like to cash in my members club points for 2 tickets to Mama Mia please. Because of the ABBA.
Only according to nishi, EG.
I still have plenty of swivel left in these hips, believe you me.
Not that I wouldn’t enjoy a nice ABBA retrospective, mind you. But that just shows how comfortable I am in my coolness.
Think Fonzie building bird houses.
Shorter nishi:
You guys suck for not buying into my stream-of-consciousness argument-by-assertion.
Poor nishi.
It is sad when ones whole world becomes colored by their bigotry.
You used to write in complete, coherent sentences. Remember that, Twisty?
Pablo, even I don’t remember when she used to write in complete, coherent sentences. Whatever she’s been mainlining, apparently it’s metastasized and I caught it by reading her comments.
I can onlee hoep wee cot it in tym.
She just seems to be having a hard week this week. This Wright thing has to bug at her a little. I’m looking forward to Karl’s post a lot, cause it seems like almost every day you learn more and more how these two are intertwined.
One of those Power Line people suggested today that Obama was just using the church for political socialization or something, but really it seems to go way beyond that, with the monies and the quoting and the weird synchronicities between Pastor Wright and Mi’chelle. But even if, who would really think that freaky-assed churchy ethnic cult is like for real socialization? It’s inherently anti-social really. Baracky’s judgment is really really not very mature it doesn’t seem. And there’s a point where that really just doesn’t reflect well at all on his posse.
Oh. And liberation theology. Grow the fuck up.
– Feets….Is there any longer a snit of a doubt that the elitist collective is the most religious of indoctrinal cults, obsessed in its slef-hate and beliefs, as deeply dogmatic as the most extreme of theologies. Its an inescapable conclusion, if for no other reason than watching them vehemently defend people Like Slick Willy, and Spitzer, and Jackson, and Wright, child pornography, and the Plames. The Religion from Hell.
Seems to me if the 12 year old needs an abortion, the parent’s are shitty whether the 12 year old feels she can talk to the parents or not, whether any of them are Christian or not.
But far be it from me to challenge Nishi’s perception/reality.
…Well, okay, not that far.
indoctrinal … that’s the saddest part. Theys got the schools, a lot anyway, and the media. All three presidential candidates spew climate superstition glibly and, worse, maybe even sincerely a lot I think. Indoctrinal. nishi is allying herself with the indoctrinators, I guess cause she herself is a lot immune. I find that really puzzling, for so little to gain.
I’ve long wondered if this was a parody site – I’m starting to think my first instincts were correct.
It has to be run by cunning liberals…mocking right-wingers by making outrageous posts no self-respecting 7th grader would touch.
You don’t have instincts, goofball. Just sort of snotty dogma mostly, sounds like. Also you’re rude.
hf,
The snotty dogma=instinct. There’s just no thought behind it. If LD had to actually argue why this post wwas outrageous, that would require thought. So better to merely assert and run.
hf,
Also, your 177 & 178 are definitely headed in the right direction.
no Jeffie, and i can prove it.
the raunch is all gone.
the theocons dont like it.
i mean the democrats are awful too, but at least they dont delude themselves about it.
the republican party is the real Great Whore; small government, smaller taxes, constitutionalism, federalism, libertarianism….pfft. long gone.
the watchmaker moties have successfully converted the ship.
conservatives have abandoned their core principles to win.
now republican has come to mean anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-public school, anti-biotech, anti-evolution [thus anti-science….denying one part of science denies it all]
/spit
have u heard the local band Tickle Me Pink, Jeffie?
ima keep my repub registration until after the general, just to vote for O.
but this is how i really feel about the republicans.
In the coldest night,
on the darkest road,
i will sleep alone,
cuz its better than u,
yeah its better than u…..
u usta be the best Jeffie….
now ur just…typical.
and just stop feets.
they’re just as bad isnt a defense.
ur just throwing chaff.
i know the dems suck…but they’ve always been up front about their suckage amplitude at least.
embracing junk science for political reasons is kinda a lot less bad than denying science for religious reasons in my book.
ur side is the thot control police.
mcgheehee and ric locke told me so.
gay is bad, like a disease.
–“gay is bad, like a disease.
– Teh ghey is a symptom, the desease is slavering idology, and mindless areguments, devoid of substance, and laced with half baked opinions, with all judgementality all the time, that you seek to paint your detractors with since you lack any moral compass, or principles.
– When you tell your mentors, the scientists, that you know better, you have achieved the pen ultimate arrogance, every bit as narrcissitic as the worst of the theological adepts,
– Seculaer Progressives, thy name is Theism.
Sequined jump suits? I feared it would come to that eventually.
and u wonder why u get stereotyped as stupid.
I’m gonna guess it’s the persistent syntax errors.
look feets.
global warming is science…..there is scientific evidence to support it.
global warming caused by carbon emission is junk science….there is no scientific evidence to support it.
and citing that doesnt make up for ID “theory”, creationism, the bioluddite council or the ESCR vetoes.
–“and u wonder why u get stereotyped as stupid.”
– In your case, there is no wonder about it.
or the Wedge strategy.
– Here is My health plan, you heard it here first folks.
– The biggest problem with a National health care plan is the absolute inneptitude the government manages any time it gets its hands on any enterprise. If the SecProgs weren’t inexperienced children they would know that.
– A very large part of that inneptitude centers in two areas, administration and financial, pathetic distribution costs, cheating and abuse.
– I suspect that some plan that avoids the totally uneccessary movement of money into the tax coffers, and the resultant need for the government to handle and distribute the same, would go a long way to illeminate those two problems at least, and would result in a significant increase in the effectiveness of any funds available. The present rate of effectiveness in government run programs hovers around three cents out of every revenue dollar.
– One way would be to simply give all Doctors, nurses, clinics, Hospitals, and health care workers, not including administration who already rape the economy to a great enough extent, tax free status with the proviso that no one ever gets denied or turned away from beeded health care. This would not include things like Viagra perscritions and plastic tits.
– No revenue would need to be collected, nor distributed, and the entire process would automatically be self policing since bitching would be loud and obvious if anyones uncle died waiting for 9/11.
– Discuss among yourselves.
BBH – what you describe (sans the tax-free status) is precisely what we used to have: my pop, who was a Pathologist of some note for many, many years, describes those by-gone years like this… there was a time where Doctors were truly called to be of service not only to the patient, but to the community, for which they provided all manner of free services for folks who could not afford care. Then came the “Administrators” and the Lawyers… and now, we have what we have. So, right… now we want govt to take care of what they created? hmmmm. I’m thinking that’s like asking teenagers to self-regulate “dirty dancing” at an unchaperoned free beer party.
– The tax free status would immediately result, on the one hand, of providing a clear and present simplified money pool to pick up the un and underinsureds needs, while providing incentive to Doctors and others in the health care field to stop listening to lawyers and start listening to the needs of their patients who would now have a large say in their careers.
– This subject is not as OT as it might seem at first, since it promises to be one of the siisue battle grounds in the upcoming election.
– I think with millions of people uninsured, and the very real hidden costs that visits on the economy in lost work, ect., some plan is needed, that mugh should be obvious.
– But it is equally obvious to anyone older than 25 that the worst possible approach is yet another government run pork barrel mess. Not only would that result in massive waste, but as per usual many people would still end up suffering for that inneptness. The worst of both worlds writ large.
Thing is, none of those things involve policies guaranteed to crash the economy or the deprivation of anyone’s liberty. No one is trying to force anyone to do anything in regard to any of the things you mention, except for AGW. So they don’t really need to be “made up for” because you can simply ignore them and go about your business.
global warming is science…..there is scientific evidence to support it.
From where did the data come? How was it gathered?
If your 14 year old needs an abortion, are you still a shitty parent?
What’s the age at which teen sex is no longer an indication of shitty parentness?
Regardless. It is against California state law to give anyone under 18 a tattoo. I have to sign off on virtually every decision my kids make at school. The school wants my signature on book choices, requirements for reports and projects, school trips, sports participation, and school absences. I don’t know why abortion is the stand out thing, the one thing parents are supposed to not have some knowledge of. That’s what I oppose.
Do you have to sign off on whether your child receives a weekly supply of rubbers?
Well, the doctor wanted to take Gaia’s temperature, but he was fresh out of thermometers and decided to use trees, instead.
Brilliant!
– The statement tah any girl under the age of consent that finds herself pregnent suffers from the lack of some parental guidence somewhere along the way is probably predominently true, leaving aside the fact that some children are just as inractible as some adults. But this incideous idea that parents should not be the final arbetors in their childrens welfare, including all issues of health and reproduction, is one more way the Left continues to try to erode the strength and position of the family unit in society. The morphing of a sexual hobby into a governmental backed institution is one thing, you can debate that ad nausia. The systematic attempts to destroy one of the key stones to our cultural stability and sanity is quite another. I will continue to despise people so narcissitically selfish.
– If they want to work their way to extinction through abortion, be my guest, but I will demand they leave their amoralistic claws off my kids.
Do you have to sign off on whether your child receives a weekly supply of rubbers?
Ug. I’ve avoided that whole mess by telling my boys, in the strongest possible terms, that they should only have sex with married teachers.
I always preferred galoshes, myself; some of those puddles are deep.
Ug. I’ve avoided that whole mess by telling my boys, in the strongest possible terms, that they should only have sex with married teachers.
Eew. They taste like cigarettes.
I read all this, just so you know. I got behind and so I don’t know that I can reply and this thread seems sort of deadish now. Today is busy cause they are evaluating my performance and also I have to do a lot on east coast time and chicago time today. It’s almost 5 in NY right now. But I will say I’m not real big on religion in politics myself, but it’s not really all that difficult to accommodate long as their not too just dumb like when the Southern Baptists did their climate change manifesto dealio the other day. But a lot of stuff like whether your kid can have an abortion without your permission I just can’t be too bothered by.
*they’re*
You don’t have instincts, goofball. Just sort of snotty dogma mostly, sounds like. Also you’re rude.
Someone who takes this place seriously says I have a “snotty dogma” because I think people are making absurd, childish arguments? And while I’m thinking about it, whining about the “liberal media” while whining that anyone else is playing a “victim card” is just laughable.
I’d try and take it seriously but how can I do that when therer are no serious arguments being made? From the beginning –
Had the first serious black contender for President been a conservative, I believe it would have helped race relations in this country immeasurably. That he’s a Democrat will do nothing but set us back decades  and in the process erode our freedom of speech even further, all in the name of “tolerance.â€Â
Obama is damned for being a Democrat – it’s such a crying shame the conservatives didn’t nominate a candidate so they could be the first ones with a serious black contender?
So…what’s stopping them? Maybe someone would be kind enough to explain that, please?
For the record, I think all this could be useful but only if people are willing to be serious for a bit and drop the blanket generalizations that aren’t true. It’s not that people refuse to realize race is a part of Obama’s story – it’s there. Hillary being a woman is part of her story, McCain background as a Vietnam vet and POW is a part of his story. The problem as I see it is that some wants to reduce him to just his race. That’s absurd. Y’all may dislike him and Ferraro may think he hasn’t paid his dues but he’s a moving speaker, his organization has worked hard on the grass roots level and he’s not the first pol to come from virtually nowhere to be a front-runner. Some of us actually remember Carter and Clinton doing such that.
You mean like, when people come to this site and out of nowhere say things like
The problem as I see it is that some wants to reduce him to just his race. That’s absurd.
Yes it is. So why did you even say it?
Y’all may dislike him and Ferraro may think he hasn’t paid his dues but he’s a moving speaker, his organization has worked hard on the grass roots level and he’s not the first pol to come from virtually nowhere to be a front-runner. Some of us actually remember Carter and Clinton doing such that.
Carter and Clinton both had vastly more experience than Obama, and Clinton hardly came from nowhere. He had been on the radar for several years among serious Democrats, I know because I was one of them.
So…what’s stopping them? Maybe someone would be kind enough to explain that, please?
They don’t have a draft? Is this a trick question?
LuckyDicky – The only ones that reduce him down to his race are those that are voting for him because of his race. Oh, and when he takes great umbrage at being criticized and throws out the 1/2 race card.
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