14 Replies to “Archmoonbat of Wankerbury [Dan Collins]”

1. steve says:

   February 8, 2008 at 10:55 am

   Being the imbibing blasphemous fornicatin’ kind of dude that I am, my head would last ~ 29 seconds under Sharia, so I have to come out against this sort of thing…

   In all seriousness, I am 100% with you guys on all of this. Show the cartoons, bring your finest single malt into the taxi and sling around the pork fo lunch. I have no idea why any free society should have to go back in time to accomadate one particulaur group’s religious beliefs – it’s absurd.

2. Carin says:

   February 8, 2008 at 11:35 am

   Because, Steve, in order to live together, we must understand the other. Just as we cannot allow the Boy Scouts to exclude homosexual leaders (that offends gays and is exclusionary), we also cannot allow Muslims to feel like outsiders by flaunting our pork and single malt. Of course, I have no idea what to make of a gay, muslim, boy scout. He should be allowed to be gay scout, but not a gay muslim.

   Wait. I’m confused. I need to rethink this.

3. steve says:

   February 8, 2008 at 12:32 pm

   i was a gay pork eating scitch drinking muslim boy scout once – ahhh, the old days.

   the boy scouts should be allowed to take whomever they want. But if they want tax $, they lose that right IMO.

   We just gotta get off the gays. Growing up like that is hard enough – those kids are offin’ themsleves left and right. At the least, they’re pained beyond belief. I think social conservatives send those poor little bastards the wrong message. I don’t even understand why that’s a conservative stance anymore.

4. Slartibartfast says:

   February 8, 2008 at 12:36 pm

   We just gotta get off the gays.

   Um…as in the “Joel, get off the babysitter” sense? Because if so, “we” might be inappropriate.

5. steve says:

   February 8, 2008 at 12:55 pm

   Well, I did tell you above that I was a gay Boy Scout in my youth. Read between the lines.

6. Carin says:

   February 8, 2008 at 12:56 pm

   Besides the “you can’t get “Married” but you can have some-sort of other legal union” stance, I don’t know what exactly the social conservatives are doing in regards to gays. LIve and let live, but don’t be fornicating on my lawn seems to be the general message.

   As for the scouts – I don’t see allowing scouts to use public buildings (schools) to be exactly the same thing as giving them tax money. IN fact, it’s not the same at all. I’m sure many schools allow for gay and lesbian organizations to meet … “on our tax dollar.” The hypocrisy. The taxpayer is already is forced to “support” something that they may or may-not agree with … yet the boyscouts are forbidden because other’s don’t approve of their policies? Who is the decider?

7. steve says:

   February 8, 2008 at 1:06 pm

   1. I’m not saying that what social cons say should be illegal or anything. But their message i that these people are2nd class immorals. It’s not just political figures I’m talking about, but the sentiments roll down hill. There’s about 10 billion pieces of evidence that these kids are born like this and 2 that they aren’t – I just think they should get a fair shake in life and not be told that they’re immoral pieces of garbage. Kids are sensitive, and growing up like that isn’t easy. I know it garners some votes, but it really fucks these kids – and the adults they become – up.

   2. I rent the gym at a local school to run pick-up, and it ain’t free. Besides – what kind of message are the boy scouts sending to these kids? I just see this as a non-political issue. It’s about not being cruel to people in pain.

8. Dan Collins says:

   February 8, 2008 at 1:08 pm

   People are going to be in plenty of cruel pain if the Archmoonbat gets his way, steve.

9. steve says:

   February 8, 2008 at 1:13 pm

   I know Dan – see my comments above. I think we need to fight this sort of thing tooth and nail. NAd I dod realize that being told you’re a no-good so and so still allows one to march in the local pride parade whereas losing one’s head doesn’t.

   That said, I think the threat is not as great as many here probably do. But that doens’t mean we shoudln’t clearly state just how unnacceptable it all is, and make sure we fight whatever foot might try to get in the proverbial door. ESPECIALLY where pork and booze are involved.

10. steve says:

    February 8, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    And oh yeah – higher degrees of wrong don’t justify lesser degrees of wrong.

11. Carin says:

    February 8, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Kid’s groups generally are allowed to use school rooms for free. There’s a difference between adults using the pool, or playing pick-up basketball.

    I think the scouts do a good service, and if it makes me a homophobe to say that just perhaps it isn’t a good idea to allow homosexual men to lead troops … than go ahead and tar and feather me. Scouts go well into teens, and I’d prefer young people were allowed to let their sexuality develop w/o any outside influence.

12. Carin says:

    February 8, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Homosexual men with children are another thing, of course. Don’t ask me why, but there is.

    It’s like art. I know it when I see it.

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14. Jamie says:

    February 9, 2008 at 3:31 am

    steve, as an American Episcopalian (and I’ve got enough issues right there), I don’t see it so much as a matter of “threat” as a matter of “and you call yourself head of a religion??” Certainly Williams’s comments could have only an emboldening effect on Muslims in Britain who would like to see some official British acceptance of shari’a, and elsewhere as well, but the immediate effect is just further to alienate Anglicans. Anglicans (and we Episcopalians) already have it pounded into us that everything about us is wrong and probably evil, and that it’s only by embracing the Other and internalizing her Otherness (that is, denying our own history, traditions, religious culture, etc.) that we can hope to call ourselves Christian; this is just the next step along that path, from a theoretical embrace to a practical one.

    Sigh. I used to be a Catholic. I switched because the Catholic church close to our new house in our new city, where we felt lonely and unloved, didn’t bring us a pie, fifteen years ago, and the Episcopal church ladies did. Was I insane?

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