“The poll also says that 52% of Canadians consider the US to be the most negative force in the world today.” (Video) (Though see comment by Canadian Mal, who feels that, although the conclusion is likely correct, it isn’t necessarily supported by the study)
Also, “So, what are YOU in for?”ÂÂ
Some gay voters put off by “Straight Talk Express“
Down here we call that a grudge f*ck.
Let’s promote insurrection in Alberta, accept it as a state, and drain it of oil.
Probably oughta move away from the border then, guys…
Let’s send him to Canada.
The “Shirtlifter Talk Express” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
Now, Dan!
As a Canadian, I think that you’ve arrived at a fairly accurate conclusion, but not through this survey.
This jolly little (2,001 people polled) survey was conducted by “Environics Research” the name of which already may give you an idea as to the flavour of the polling company we’re discussing here.
From their masthead…”The Environics Institute for Survey Research was established in 2006 to sponsor relevant and original public opinion and social values research related to issues of public policy and social change. We wish to survey those not usually heard from, using questions not usually asked.”
As it turns out their very first project, again from their site, “…was to conduct surveys of representative samples of the Canadian public and Canadian Muslims on the relationship between Canadian Muslims and Canadian society at large. This research was partly intended to replicate and build upon a Pew Center poll conducted in 13 countries in 2006, including Muslim oversamples in Britain, France, Germany and Spain.” http://erg.environics.net/ei/
I wonder how many folks from that particular survey were re-polled, and I wonder how they voted?
What the age groups & background of those polled for “The Canada’s World Poll” are not indicated, but my first guess is that data questions “not usually asked” taken on the telephone from “those not usually heard from” may not necessarily produce a poll that reflects “all” Canadians.
Further they mention that the poll was principally funded by “The Simon Foundation” a private foundation based in Vancouver “with a clear mission focused on human security, international law and nuclear disarmament. The Foundation is actively engaged in promoting positive change through education in peace, disarmament, international law, and human rights, and also supports the local arts and cultural community in Vancouver.” http://thesimonsfoundation.ca/about/
“Led by Dr. Jennifer Allen Simons, an award winning educator, thought leader and policy advisor, the Foundation has worked behind the scenes on most of the major international peace initiatives of our day – providing critical financial support, convening international leaders in policy dialogue, and driving academic research. The Weapons of Mass Destruction Commission, The Responsibility To Protect Doctrine, the Geneva Space Security Conferences, Nuclear Weapons Non-Proliferation negotiations, and Strengthening Genocide Prevention at the UN are just a few of the international initiatives that have benefited from The Simons Foundation’s strategic philanthropic approach.”
So we have a poll largely funded by anti-war activistists compiling questionable data from segments of the Candian population over 15 years of age whose opinions are not commonly solicited for some reason or another.
Hmm! Sure sounds like a crackerjack of an opinion poll to me! No wonder the usual lefty suspects: the CBC, the Globe and Mail, and Le Devoir were tripping over themselves to toss a few bucks in for the publishing scoop.
I am one of a very large number of Canadians that knows absolutely that the U.S. is, in fact, the most positive contributive force in the world and is grateful for it’s ongoing global financial & on-the-ground aid.
Many, many thanks.
am one of a very large number of Canadians that knows absolutely that the U.S. is, in fact, the most positive contributive force in the world and is grateful for it’s ongoing global financial & on-the-ground aid.
That was a really incredibly nice bit there. It is remarkable in that I cocked my head to the side like a puppy hearing a new sound. Remarkable in that it is so rarely seen. Thanks.
With some notable exceptions (such as Mal, above), Canadians seem to be utterly convinced that the US is right up there with Nazi Germany and Stalin’s USSR.
Sometimes you can jar some sense into their head by asking them about the typical fate of resource-rich, militarily weak nations that happened to share a border with Nazi Germany or the USSR, but not always (often it just produces a non sequitur about how “Canadians” supposedly “burned down” the White House in the War of 1812).
I love Canadians. Well, some of them. I fucked one. She was a very beautiful women, both inside and out. I know she fucked me too, so it was all good. However, I also kicked the shit out of one of their men. So, it’s a wash I guess.
Windsor. Yummy. Oh, Whistler is the shit too. And, Sidney Crosby. And, Gretzky.
I take it JD has been to the Windsor Ballet?
Windsor. Yummy. Oh, Whistler is the shit too. And, Sidney Crosby. And, Gretzky.
Lot of top-notch bagpipe players up there too!
Ask them what the Nazis would have done to those responsible for burning down the Reichstag, if they hadn’t done it themselves.
Carin – Windsor has some of the finests ballets in all of the land. Or so I have been told.
Sure, Windsor looks great when you look at it squatting there right next to Detroit.
So would Mogadishu.
Kirk – Clearly, you have never been to the Windsor Ballet.
I was pretty…
I was happy…
“…often it just produces a non sequitur about how “Canadians†supposedly “burned down†the White House in the War of 1812.”
God, if one more tries to tell me that shit…
Two things I miss about Canada. One is knowing they will stand beside you on Dday, taking charge of one of the beachheads. Ain’t gonna happen again, ever. And the other thing I’ll miss… well, guess I won’t miss all that slave labor they got from internment camps. That was a bit of nastiness that rose above and beyond what the U.S. did. Somehow that seems to fall through the cracks in all the moral superiority wars.
Since when did we start letting Canadians express an opinion? Or even have an opinion, for that matter? Of all the most profoundly and utterly useless collections of morons on earth, we had to start a country next to THAT one. Sheesh.
And the other thing I’ll miss… well, guess I won’t miss all that slave labor they got from internment camps.
Huh? I thought it was pretty common to use POWs as agricultural work in WWII.
Another rift between the two sister countries. But, come on, who could blame Canadians with the kind of government the States now has. Nothing personal against the Americans.
Canadian citizens with Japanese lineage in internment camps were POWs?
Canada is ok. It’s sort of the vanilla ice cream of countries really. Also they have nice trees.
It took me until I was in my 30s to realize Canadians have an accent.
I mean, when I was a kid I expected them to sound like the English, all snooty and edumacated, but I have a cousin who has lived up there since I think before I was born, and he didn’t sound English. And he was pretty darn educated. In fact, he went to Canada to teach English to Canadians.
But once I realized Canadians don’t sound like Corporal Newkirk on “Hogan’s Heroes,” I didn’t believe they had any accent at all.
The things you learn from Doug and Bob Mackenzie.
I like Canadians. THEY’RE CRUNCHIE! Now with a new creamy center!
Is Cheetah’s on the River still there?
Any country that could produce a Bobby Clarke is all right in my book.
Any Canadian that claims an 1812 victory is an idiot. The country was not formed until 1867. I have lived in Canadia for the last 4 years and the people up here are generally good folks with a lot of hot air to blow around. Most Anti-American comments are fairly foolish and very much informed by the likes of Michael Moore, the CBC, and the NYT. Everyone likes to complain and do nothing…typical liberal action.
Canada has been sucking off the teet of the US for 25 years with the Loonie at a severe discount to the Dollar, so we buy lots of their stuff. Now that the Loonie is on par with the Dollar, they must become competative with US and foreign industry. All they do is complain about the evils of industry and big companies, but soon they will realize that the burdens placed on industry by their gov’t will destroy these very engines that give them the money to do nothing but bitch and moan all day long.
True that. But as soon as they strap skates to their feet and start taking each other into the boards I’ll be there. I could use me some culture.
Only 52%? Remind me to do something evil today.
We’d come up there and burn down your capitol, mac, but we’re not in the mood to do you any favors.
Dan – Last time I checked, Igloos didn’t burn too well.
Oh, you meant those internees. I had forgotten about that.
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“Littering.”
And they all moved away from me on the bench, until I said, “and disturbing the peace.”
Dan,
It would appear not all Americans have shared your point of view.
http://www.medaloffreedom.com/WilliamStephenson.htm
Farenheit 451, eh? Figures.
The individual you link to won the Medal of Freedom in 1946.
Over 60 years ago …
kenninorcal already said it best … he misses “knowing they will stand beside you on Dday, taking charge of one of the beachheads. Ain’t gonna happen again, ever.”
“Farenheit 451, eh? Figures.”
By which I meant not to disparage Ray Bradbury’s fine book, but Michael Moore’s (spit) travesty, for which he echoed Bradbury’s title despite the author’s objections.
“Farenheit 451, eh? Figures.”
By which I meant no disrespect to Ray Bradbury’s fine novel, but to the “2.0” travesty that Michael Moore did, lifting Bradbury’s title over the latter’s objections.
Gentlemen,http://www.canadiansinvietnam.ca/
And that was 40 years ago. Your point?
See #37’s…same as yours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_caper
Helping to rescue a few diplomats from Tehran was a fine a noble thing, but you aren’t seriously comparing that to taking charge of an entire Normandy beachhead, are you?
Afghanistan since 2001. Our section of this beach. If the war becomes as big as the one referred to, we’ll take up more beach. If it does it could be a short but momentary high contrast stay for everyone however.
But you digress, if the issue is “What have the Romans ever done for us?” you should be willing to play it through the decades to the end. I skipped the fifties because I felt my example would be too harsh.
Providing venues by which animosity between allies can be whipped up serves only one entity whom we are both at present killing in great numbers and with wild but professionally constrained abandon. I don’t wish to derail or impede the process.I prefer to attempt to counteract it rather than inflame it. They too blog.
By prompting you to explain its meaning to a wider audience the use of F451 has served its purpose.
As have you
As do we all
And this Micheal Moore fella, he’s American, no?
“Providing venues by which animosity between allies can be whipped up serves only one entity whom we are both at present killing in great numbers and with wild but professionally constrained abandon.”
I think we just found common ground. =) In lumping you in with the huge population of moonbats north (and south) of the border, it appears that I may have made a faulty assumption and wasted time for both of us with needless blue-on-blue fire. If you ever make it back to this thread, please accept my apologies.
And my best regards to you, sir.
If I may, I would like to leave you with one set of links (google) to a man who has been an inspiration to both our countries and whose actions both under fire and within captivity still serve as an example today by those tasked by the U.S. military to train those U.S servicemen who may become prisoners of war.
His courage and tenacity saw many U.S. sevicemen survive slavery as Japanese prisoners of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Birchall
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/18/db1801.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/09/18/ixportal.html
http://www.telefilm.gc.ca/data/production/prod_4414.asp?lang=en&cat=tv&g=doc&y=2006
Thank you
Apparently someone finds unity in the face of a common enemy objectionable.
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Sad really.
Ah well, best to stay all Leonard Birchall about it.
At risk of being chased by an angry mob, sorry guys, but NOONE won the war of 1812. THe issues at hand were rendered null by the ending of the Napoleonic wars. So, the treaty signed made no mention of them. Basically, Americans didn’t get the land they wanted, and the British agreed to maintain ‘the status quo’ So, now history classes on both sides of the border just manipulate history the way the want to. But… I think we did burn down the whitehouse.. or , more specifically the “British” army did. Right. they were over in france, fighting Napoleon. The “British” army was really a badly trained militia of drunk british officers too old to be where the action was, volunteers, french canadians and native bands, who only joined because they were pissed at the US for stealing their land and slaughtering thier people. And then they won the war for us and we did the exact same thing (except for the slaughter part. We’re far too polite) But I digress. THe point was that.. oh, here’s a news flash… we’re not the 51st state, bon dieu! WE are different because…
we speak french
we play hockey
we do not say huh
our indie music rocks
we have inuktitut and the INuit, and those are both fun to say
our social prgorams are some of the best in the world
we have very strict gun control laws
we are polite
we don’t litter
we like to protest
we dont’ like war, ever since LEster B. PEarson and PIerre Trudeau established us as a nation which keeps the peace and helps those in need
we get on fairly well with Cuba
WE go to war if there is a reason…. for example, Afghanistan. Where are your troops, may I ask? OH, thats right, there off on some wild goose chase searching for ‘dictators’ well ensuring that if the society does collapse, as it indubitabky will, you’ll be there to get a nice big piece of pie. Anyhow, as far as Afghanistan goes.. seems to me that Americans are willing to fight to the death of the last Canadian.
we spell things properly… aluminium, anyone? or what about honour, rumour or colour?
We don’t like dictators, nor do we prop them up in the hopes that we’ll get what we want… ooh, flashback! who remembers a guy called Saddam Hussein?
WE like to write things like this because we have something called a charter of rights and freedoms… hmm, our government isn’t listening to us while we talk on the phone without proper documentation (it’s called a warrent, Georgie dear. Would you like me to spell that for you?)
LAstly, I am writing this in the public library because je habite dans le nord du Quebec, about an hour away from Hudsons Bay, (look it up on a map) and cannot get internet. We do however, get the CBC and some good radio. PLease don’t kill me, I’m an innocent 13 year old quebecois girl wh doesn’t speak English very well, and who bites.
Do you know, Sophie . . . you seem like a very nice girl. So, I’ll be kind.
Your English is quite good. Your people are fine. Their treatment of the native Americans has not differed significantly from their treatment in the United States.
We don’t want you to be the 51st state, bon Dieu. We want you to continue generating beautiful women and good rock bands, though the funniest part of your comparison is that even the idea of indie originated in the US.
Honestly, in Quebec, you are neither as polite nor as environmentally friendly as you like to think yourselves. I’ve spent too much time in Montreal to think otherwise.
Your treaty obligations have drawn you into Afghanistan. How terrible. And yet, it is nothing for the United States to contribute significantly to the rescue of Western Europe on a couple of occasions. It is nothing for the United States to make good on the social promises that drove the French into Robbespierre. Right? It is nothing that the French wished to use the US to preoccupy the British for their own selfish reasons. Or were their motives more pure than those that drew the US into Iraq, after the French and Russians made Oil-for-Food a cash cow?
Your government? Your government takes people like Ezra Levant and submits them to inquisition because of the complaints of Islamists. I am sorry, Sophie, but that is not freedom of speech, and this sort of idiocy is nothing that we have to worry about here in the US.
One of the principles our government is built on is that all people have the right to make a complaint, and that complaint must be investigated to the fullest extent. We are polite. I stand by that. Montreal and Toronto are bad examples.. they aren’t what Canada is all about. Go to a small town anywhere in Canada, you will see what I mean. OUr previous government signed the Kyoto accord and was making some headway, and then (sigh) a new government cam e in to power, who pretty much dropped the whole thing. Elections are coming in a few months.. vote, Canadians! (Sadly, I can’t, as I am not 18) I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in the second to last part of your comment. I am only in 9e, and world history doesn’t begin to be studied until 10e. I was not saying that countries in the past had not entered war with ulterior motives, I was merely making a comment on the way of things as I see them.
It was interesting to be yelled at by an American. I’ll be honest and say that most Canadians don’t have a problem with Americans ( Especially in the bigger areas dans le sud de Ontario) we do, however have a problem with your governments decisions. Mais, we also have problems with our own governments decisions. So there you go. You were actually quite nice, I admit that my hands were shaking on the mouse when I looked at your post. I stand by most of what I said.
Merde. de Ontario should be d’Ontario. Desolee (Your forum won’t allow accents.)