Check this out. This is the story as you can access it from npr.org. Soviet spy and defector, now US citizen Tretyakov doesn’t show in a search from their site elsewhere. But this is the long version of the interview.
What’s really fascinating is what’s missing from the short version. Tretyakov mentions that his principal mission was to stir up anti-American sentiment, within the US and abroad. He outlines how Putin’s agents stole $500 million from Oil-for-Food. He talks about useful idiots in Canada and at the UN. Very worthwhile, and rather surprising that NPR broadcast it at all, and very much worth your time in the long version. Truly, Dave Davies’ interview is one of the best I’ve ever heard.
Fun with NPR compare and contrast…
Bye Bye Silky
http://www.npr*.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18549091
http://www.npr*.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18549094
http://www.npr*.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18549094
Bye Bye Rudy
http://www.npr*.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18549119
oops. Third silky link oughta been…
http://www.npr*.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18549097
“Still, if Edwards wants to blame somebody for his defeat, he shouldn’t look at the media. He should look at himself. And I mean that in the best sense possible. Edwards’ biggest problem may have been that he was too compelling . . . .”
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/01/30/why-john-edwards-won.aspx
Bwahahahahahahahahaha
NPR totally hated him cause he was a white guy. They liked his wife but when she didn’t die they got bored. They’re still hot for Obama and just going through the motions for Hillary, about what they’re doing on McCain really. But at least they’ve dropped the phony oh for serious he’s respectable and charismatic let’s take another look at Huckabee nonsense.
On the original subject of the post: this is just NPR covering their butts. Later on they can point to that story, brag about “fair and balanced”, and smirk. It will not be investigated, popularized, or reported any further anywhere — which means that the only people who will ever hear about it are the twenty or so perverts, plus Dan, who are willing to spend the time drilling down into npr.org’s web site. It will never enter the public consciousness in any useful way. Hell, even I had to Google to recall the name “Pacepa”.
Regards,
Ric
NPR epitomizes the old saying “it’s not what they don’t know, it’s what they know that isn’t so.”
NPR listeners have about the biggest gap between actual and perceived awareness of reality that I’ve ever seen, and tend to endlessly repeat leftist propaganda memes and, when confronted with referenced facts to the contrary, blink and say “I’ve never heard that.”
Obviously the comments in an interview depend more on the reliability of the subject, but I still have to worry about the editing and what the interviewer didn’t ask.
I wish I had a bumpersticker for my car that read:
“No, I am not mouthing obscenities at you.
I am just listening to NPR.”
I wonder what the overlap is between the douchebags you meet at parties who boast about how they not only don’t watch TV, but that they don’t even own a television set. I’m guessing it’s about 95%.
As for the other five percent? They probably refuse to even listen to radio. No, they prefer an older, more refined form of mass communication.
You mean to say the Rosenbergs were really guilty?
yeah, for NPR
remember the ‘douch bags’ ala Gingrich like wanted to defund it or make it into ah…right wing radio propaganda.
I am glad you listened to maybe the best institution we got in AmeriKa.
now, back to the substance of the article. The Russian bemoaned the quality of patriotism of the new KGB as Putin (Bush’s special friend) took over. Meaning he liked the old USSR just fine, but he didn’t like the New capitalist Russia. Did you guys have listening problems? Also, the American writer interjected protecting Amerika’s boy drunk favorite Yeltsin got royally criticized by the KGB analyst for selling out the govt. to would-be capitalists and that the desperation of Russians under the new regime was propadandized away by the new leaders. The American writer who obviously was more of a libertarian tried to deflect criticism of Yeltsin by calling Yeltsin a “democrat”. Remember, Yeltsin, by force of arms, destroyed the Duma, while getting accolades from the USA for destroying democracy in the new Russia.
That former KGB guy left Yeltsin/Putin’s antidemocratic regime that had been “made” in America. He was correct to see the corruption there and bought himself and family a ticket to an easier life away from a crumbling, bungling Oligarchy (made by the USA).
I am glad you enjoyed the excellent program like I did. Perhaps someday things on the SinoFinnish front will be a little more democratic and socialist than merely a fight between competing oligarchs (as USA’s pittance of aid and forced repayments for ineffective advice put boyfiend Putin in power).
Well, then I’m a douch-bag too. Cause I wanna defund it. “Best institution” my ass.
But, it’s nice to see that Dataless is consistent in blaming the USA for everything.
“Also, the American writer interjected protecting Amerika’s boy drunk favorite Yeltsin got royally criticized by the KGB analyst for selling out the govt. to would-be capitalists and that the desperation of Russians under the new regime was propadandized away by the new leaders.”
I think datadave is an Olberman fever dream that has somehow manifested itself in the intertubes. Think of it as artificial almostintelligence.
I think of it as genuine stupidity.
The amount of seriousness a commenter is treated is inversely proportional to each ‘K’ they put in the word ‘America’.
You’ve got a great story in today’s NY Times about Blowjob Bill helping to swing a deal for a buddy in Kazakhstan in 2005 at the same time Hillary was making noises about the countries human rights reord. By sheer coincidence the buddy happened to make subsranrial contributions to major interests of BJ Bill afterward and helped to fund a major party. Sounds like a very familiar and sleazy story for the Clintons.
remember the ‘douch bags’ ala Gingrich like wanted to defund it or make it into ah…right wing radio propaganda.
I am glad you listened to maybe the best institution we got in AmeriKa.
You just wake up full of idiocy, don’cha. I love a good re-writing of history in the morning.
I am not voting with the group on this one. I do not think it is stupidity. Delusional – most certainly. Pompous and arrogant for no apparent reason – without a doubt. Stupid – not purely so, but certainly dangerously so.
Bill’s activities have nothing to do with Hillary. Except, of course, when her proximity to his tenure as president pads her resume. So, quick review – good stuff Bill did (although my mind comes up blank) works to her favor, and bad stuff is irrelevant.
And – OT – too bad everyone missed Kwame Kipatrick (Detroit’s mayor) apology last night on tv. Very reminiscent of Bill and Hillary. He’s VERY sorry he cheated on his wife, but get off his back because what happens in a bedroom is none of our business.
Except, of course, the brewhaha around Kwame has to do with his lying on the stand,and other investigations swirling, and no one REALLY gives a rat’s ass that he was cheating. But, they are following Bill’s playbook. Keep reminding everyone that this is just about sex and the fiction will become reality.
I’m thinking maybe there was a nail gun accident?
Carin – As I said, the contributions to BJ’s interests were purely coincidental with his trip to Kazakhstan. If the Clintons are able to successfully withstand the pressure for disclosures prior to the election the American public will probably be deprived of an amazing pattern of purely coincidental contributions to Clinton interests. Do those interests dislose the administrative fees raked off by BJ or are they lumped in to a general category? The idea that there is any quid pro quo involved, though, boggles the mind and I agree that Hillary’s activities are certainly separate. After all, Bill is not in the government right now so how can he have any conflicts. I’ll bet he loves him them hot Russian babes too!
SarahW – Has Jesse Jackson grabbed the microphone to advise Kwame yet?
Jesse, to the best of my knowledge, hasn’t showed up yet. But the city council seems to be doing a pretty good job of rallying around ’em.
Carin – Nothing to see on Boratgate. It probably won’t even come up at tonight’s debate. It’s Hillary’s campaign, not Bill’s. People should just move on.
Jesse Jackson should ride in and help Kwamie out. After all he his a shining example of personal scruples when it comes to honesty and commitment in marraig…
Oh, wait…Um…
BEDROOM SERCRETS, LURKERS!!!!
It’s comforting that datalessdave thinks the highest institution in the land is what is essentially the left-wing voice organ of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
I love cognitive dissonance. “YOUR GOVERNMENT LIES TO YOU! w/ NPR IS THE BEST MOST RELIABLE NEWS SOURCE IN THE COUNTRY”
BTW: If you have never heard Patton Oswalt’s rant on how he gives money to Public Radio so he doesn’t have to listen to it….
It made me weep like a little girl.
Why is it that dave reminds me of Detroit Chuck?
Dang, did my comment kill the thread?
Except, of course, her main qualification for presidency is being Mrs. Clinton; the woman who was beside teh-bestest-president-EVA! It does pokes holes in her resume … thus, it cannot be mentioned.
thx JD. half a compliment. But I can’t believe the lack of listening skills here. Dan elevated a pretty interesting NPR interview to our attention and then people get all riled up due to my defending NPR.
w/o NPR there’d be little intelligence on radio. I suspect most of the conservative “classic liberals” here are intelligent as they rarely if ever quote or seem to listen to Rush Limbaugh. NPR plays to the intelligent or at least the inquisitive. As Dan Collins mentioning the interview proves. You may see a liberal bias but see a centrist bias and big donors to NPR are said to be Petro companies skewing it in their direction causing some radicals to call it nat’l petroleum radio.
I know this is a ‘conservative’ blog but I am still having trouble finding a better designed one on the “liberal” side and besides they tend to say the same things all the time. Here, there’s a lot of clever verbiage. Although anti-Obama rant’s interesting.
so the singing invective wingnuts criticizing my opinion of what Dan and I listened to…did you have any counterpoints to what I said? Did you hear the interview? And can you imagine that ‘victory’ over the evil empire is and was a mirage as the KGB guy said? I never said that I wanted Marxism for myself nor for anyone…but I think there are worse things. I’d for instance rather have been a Russian in the USSR than an average Haitian of today. At least there was education and a meritocracy in the USSR but Haiti? Only hope is to swim to USA or just be of the lucky minority at the top.
I will warrant the thievery of the Oil for Food programe was a easy to steal from but the alternative was to have a million or so Iraqis die from starvation. The Right’s attempt to just obliterate the UN for one fiasco seem like arguing that the United States should be obliterated because it wastes 500 times the money that was lost, stolin in the Oil for Food program.
Just to focus on the one thing the former Soviet agent said that backs the anti UN argument and not notice the many negative things he said about Yeltsin and Putin (both Bush and Clinton backed dictators). I will say that both Bushs (i and ii) and Clinton really screwed up in dealings with the Russians. They could’ve been on our side…but now?
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ where the anti Obama rant seem eerily similar to anti McCain venting here
datadave,
Even granted that the Russians continue to be sometime adversaries, I would not say that the USSR’s defeat was a “mirage” in the most crucial sense: it discredited communism to dozens of countries around the world who subsequently set up democracies. In particular, the Eastern European countries are some of the staunchest advocates of freedom around today.
While every so often you have a Chavez or a Mugabe pop up, the trend since 1989 has been decisively pro-capitalism and pro-democracy (meaning that the world has become inherently more peaceful since the USSR fell). Russia’s KGB goons haven’t stopped that, nor are they as interested in doing so as they were.
Err, not all of Eastern Europe. But certainly much of it.
good points, Mastiff. As example, I asked a principal architect in a larger architect firm around here, “how’s business?” and he said, “Schools”. “Where?”, I asked. “Moscow, Prague, they seem to want schools more than we’re doing here…” So at least maybe the lower dollar is bringing that firm some work. They’d done work in Saudi Arabia too, but now are designing schools behind what was once the “Iron Curtain”.
I wasn’t defending the USSR but noting the continuing turmoil under Putin and the wounded egos that Russians continue to have leading to abandonment by someone who was a loyal KGB. That guy said he was happy to only being foreign work and acknowledged the evil done domestically by the KGB. I know a few Russians and they have complex feelings over the whole change.
For one, it’s odd that the Chinese Communist party is still very much in power and yet China’s growing economically much faster than Russia which has it’s Communist Party out of power. Democracy and Economic Prosperity don’t always go hand in hand. I don’t Chavez is much of a threat to either Venezuelans or the USA. Mugabe was preSoviet breakup…been there a long time.
Eastern Europe is following the EU, not the US. A more socialized democracy. Interesting that the world’s major political powers are leaning towards a Trilateral configuration like that recent article in the NYTimes Magazine: US-EU-EastAsia…with second world power countries playing off the three. I guess Britain is a second rate power as it seems to be playing itself between the EU and US.
“The Right’s attempt to just obliterate the UN for one fiasco…”
Heh.
ISTR Yeltsin not only standing for election, but also stepping down when he lost.
Odd dictator, that.