Excitable Andy quotes our esteemed host’s most recent post on the election, but seems focused on Jeff’s opposition to Sen. John McCain:
Yeah, they really do hate McCain that much.
Sully misclassifies Jeff as a conservative, as opposed to a classic liberal, but I note that Sully glosses over Jeff’s comment on Sully’s endorsed candidate in the GOP race — Rep. Ron Paul (TOMWCSA):
I will not, will not, vote for Ron Paul  unless he runs for Fuhrer. In which case, he’s got my full support.
I had thought Sully had thrown RP under the bus last week, but (afaik) he has never retracted his endorsement and is now taking FNC and Hugh Hewitt to task for not giving RP his proper respect.
Meanwhile, Sullivan is taking a dig at Bill Clinton’s betrayal on gay rights, even though RP holds the exact same position Clinton has on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and the Defense of Marriage Act. Indeed, Paul believes in defining marriage as between a man and a woman, just not at the federal level. Sully excuses it: “Ignorant? Yes. Bigoted? Nah.”
Just like RP was ignorant of what was being published about gays in the newsletters bearing Ron Paul’s name:
Like blacks, gays earn plenty of animus in Paul’s newsletters. They frequently quoted Paul’s “old colleague,” Representative William Dannemeyer–who advocated quarantining people with AIDS–praising him for “speak[ing] out fearlessly despite the organized power of the gay lobby.” In 1990, one newsletter mentioned a reporter from a gay magazine “who certainly had an axe to grind, and that’s not easy with a limp wrist.” In an item titled, “The Pink House?” the author of a newsletter–again, presumably Paul–complained about President George H.W. Bush’s decision to sign a hate crimes bill and invite “the heads of homosexual lobbying groups to the White House for the ceremony,” adding, “I miss the closet.” “Homosexuals,” it said, “not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities.” When Marvin Liebman, a founder of the conservative Young Americans for Freedom and a longtime political activist, announced that he was gay in the pages of National Review, a Paul newsletter implored, “Bring Back the Closet!” Surprisingly, one item expressed ambivalence about the contentious issue of gays in the military, but ultimately concluded, “Homosexuals, if admitted, should be put in a special category and not allowed in close physical contact with heterosexuals.”
The newsletters were particularly obsessed with AIDS, “a politically protected disease thanks to payola and the influence of the homosexual lobby,” and used it as a rhetorical club to beat gay people in general. In 1990, one newsletter approvingly quoted “a well-known Libertarian editor” as saying, “The ACT-UP slogan, on stickers plastered all over Manhattan, is ‘Silence = Death.’ But shouldn’t it be ‘Sodomy = Death’?” Readers were warned to avoid blood transfusions because gays were trying to “poison the blood supply.” “Am I the only one sick of hearing about the ‘rights’ of AIDS carriers?” a newsletter asked in 1990. That same year, citing a Christian-right fringe publication, an item suggested that “the AIDS patient” should not be allowed to eat in restaurants and that “AIDS can be transmitted by saliva,” which is false. Paul’s newsletters advertised a book, Surviving the AIDS Plague–also based upon the casual-transmission thesis–and defended “parents who worry about sending their healthy kids to school with AIDS victims.” Commenting on a rise in AIDS infections, one newsletter said that “gays in San Francisco do not obey the dictates of good sense,” adding: “[T]hese men don’t really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners.” Also, “they enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick.”
Though it has been shown that Ron Paul has defended the contents of his newsletters, Sullivan’s endorsement of Ron Paul is apparently still operative.
Granted, Sully is also saying nice things about his second choice for the GOP, even though McCain’s supported “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and the DOMA (again, while lambasting Bill Clinton for the same positions).ÂÂ
The only major difference distinguishing Paul on gay rights from people like President Bush is his position on a Federal Marriage Amendment. This is apparently enough for Sully to maintain his endorsement of Ron Paul — a man who at the very least is confortable at having made large sums of money from publications appealing to people who think that people with HIV — like Sully — “enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick.”
Yeah, he really hates Bush that much.
And Fred made money from Hollywood, Karl. Hell, nearly the entire field made theirs in Washington DC.
The same media that crucified Lott in about about 72 hours for a single comment is awfully nonchalant about Ron Paul and his Hitler Youth Happy Squad I think.
Andrew’s hate is part of his larger narcissism problem. It’s always about him–even when it really isn’t.
happyfeet: The MSM’s near-silence on this does kind of lead one to make up all manner of conspiracy theories.
I don’t know if they’re saving up for an expose as soon as they can figure out how to smear the entire party, or if they are just trying to keep Paul an option because they know they can smash him later.
But it doesn’t speak well of the MSM in any case – just another example of how they have managed to build an entire professional community that’s unworthy of respect.
There’s a meme cartel for sure. That’s kind of a duh really. But them maybe it’s understandable in a collapsing economy. They’ll get around to the Ron Paul smearing eventually. Andrew used to know better. He doesn’t have his head around really how profoundly even more irrelevant he’ll be with Hillary in the White House. The real gay people will be getting all the cool invitations, and by then it’ll be safe to dismiss him as Ron Paul’s sphincter lozenge. He’ll end up owning that, shortsighted little git.
Why is he going on whining about AIDS? Tom Cruise found the cure for that like 5 years ago.
Oh. *then* Also really someone should be accountable for us not mostly being discussing Cloverfield. I’m thinking that’s McCain’s fault too. He’s such a prick.
One of the funniest stories I’ve heard about Sully relates to one of his appearances on Bill Maher’s HBO program. One of the other panelists sitting around the table, but next to Sully, complained (off camera) to Maher that Sully was “breaking wind” about every two minutes…and apparently demanded that Sully be seated at the other end of the table.
This is about as illconsidered as W.E. Dubois endorsing Wilson over Taft
because of the lynching situation in the early 1900s. Wilson who would endorse Grand Kleagle, William Simmon’
s, History of the South, which became
D.W. Griffith’s Birth of a Nation; which was erroneously called ‘writing history with lightning’ Along with re-segregating the D.C. public schools and adavancing the career of the likes of Breckenridge Long; the Ducephilic US ambassador and 30s immigration watchdog. Compounded by his half
hearted support of Nazism as late as 1937. You see turning to Marxism, was
only the second or third stupidest thing he did in his lifetime.
Now Andrew has nowhere the influence of W.E.B Dubois, and Paul isn’t going
anywhere, so the point is pretty much
moot; but if he had any significance. . .
Well, about 6 years ago, Andy still made sense. I don’t know what the hell happened to him, but he’s become so ego-driven I don’t know why he didn’t just marry himself and be done with it.
Explains his nick, derived from his shorts, obviously.
I’d wondered at that.
Sully also misclassifies himself as a conservative, so no surprise there. Catholic, too.
“Sully misclassifies Jeff as a conservative, as opposed to a classic liberal, ”
Its the immigration. thats the why.
I keep forgetting. America’s the only nation on the planet that isn’t allowed to control its own borders.
“I keep forgetting. America’s the only nation on the planet that isn’t allowed to control its own borders.”
The Ellis Island of classical liberalism.
What’s funny is that in the very next post (after saying that Jeff really hates McCain) he basically calls Hugh Hewitt a Stalinist. And, we all know that the right-wing warmonger Rudy Giuliani is really the fascist that Sullivan says he is.
Remember when the excitable one was actually relevant? And sane?
Imagine a GOPer giving a sermon from the pulpit, as Obama did. Feh, Andi’s the fish swimming in a very shallow pool of water in a very small barrel.
You know, when the dog is a young puppy and running around making little piddles on the floor, it’s kind of cute. For a while. But after a certain period, housetraining should take hold.
Sully also misclassifies himself as a Catholic and thinks he was elected Pope. I stopped reading his stuff and deleted the bookmark when he exhibited bull blown Gay Marriage Derangement Syndrome.
If I want a monologue, I’ll talk to myself – and find a subject in which I have some degree of interest.
full blown. PIMF, no slur intended, honest.
Ellis Island symbolized control of borders. There were very big hospitals there for quarantine, for instance.
“Ellis Island symbolized control of borders. There were very big hospitals there for quarantine, for instance.”
Open and controlled. There were hospitals, but there wasn’t a long wait for a visa.
Open and controlled.
Like the air whistling through andy’s ears.
“Like the air whistling through andy’s ears.”
We have free trade with china. But there’s lots they can’t send us. I think you get the idea.
andy, I usually don’t engage with you, but what the HELL? Have you ever read about Ellis Island? Have you, in fact, actually ever read a book?
I see there are more little piddles on the floor. Andy, you could at least learn to lift your leg before letting fly.
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