Trenchant analysis regarding Washoe/Helen Thomas:
Lately it seems it’s not a complete post unless I include some of the ugliness coming out of the hard right, and ugly is exactly the word for this misogynist post from Dan Collins at Protein Wisdom.
I can understand not liking reporters who make your favorite politicians look like the chumps they are, but Helen Thomas isn’t a grandstanding ass like Russert or Matthews, and the shit hurled her way by the Right has always been mean-spirited first, and funny almost never.
I guess Collins was just feeling a little blue when he posted that.
When your movement’s been repudiated, movement wankers reach for their Goebbels.
Of course, the left would never make insidious comparisons. I’ll leave Coulter out of it. And crap . . . I meant to post this to the Pub, but that’s what happens, I guess, when I post while cooking.
It is, of course, deeply insightful (it’s funny because it’s true!) to call Bush “Chimpy”: how could one not see the resemblance? It’s another thing entirely to speak the truth about an old hag and feminist icon, because . . . it’s not chivalrous?
Well, perhaps this is preferable?
I don’t think Norwegianity Guy is any particular kind of “mis-” or “-phobe”; I just think he’s not very bright. Bloody Joopacabras. Still, he got one thing right: the post was ugly.
UPDATE: Collins, incapable of discerning the difference between a reporter insisting on having a question answered and a preening jackass like Tim Russert or Chris Matthews or a predatory partisan attack dog like Ann Coulter, reiterates his intense dislike for Helen Thomas in his usual childish manner.
He also manipulates his readers by quoting me and including my link to him, but not my other two links, one showing why Collins is blue, and the other explaining what Goebbels did [NB, wingnuts: not to be confused with these] so Collins’ readers could draw their own conclusions.
It’s the petty little things wingnut propagandists do that irritate me. Manipulating my copy and links irritates me because it’s dishonest in a petty, shallow way. As opposed to the Goebbels strategy of scapegoating certain opponents and disparaging their appearance, credentials, their very existence.
Helen Thomas is ugly. That’s Dan Collins’ way of dealing with a reporter who can’t be cowed by the wingnut noise machine. So he disparages her appearance, just like the Nazis did the Jews. Just like the Republicans do Hillary. Just like punk-assed losers do when they can’t hold up their end of a debate.
Look at the economy. Look at the occupation. Look at the current saber rattling. What other president has screwed up America this much? So lowered our standing in the world? Helen Thomas called Bush the worst president she’d seen, and the wingnuts can’t handle it.
Sad, pathetic people beating up on old ladies.
UPDATE: Now Collins has updated and is inserting phony links into his excerpts of my blogging. Under some circumstances this could be funny, but, unless they read this, I doubt his readers are going to understand what’s going on as Collins jerks them around like the somewhat educated doofusses they are.
Read the comments. Savor the profound depths of the wingnut minds hard at work denying reality. Collins readers’ are welcome to start a thread at Zanby if they like (which is what I use for comments since I’ve never had blog comments that weren’t spammed to death).
And, btw, I do admit defeat. I’ve never had any children, and since I don’t even know where Collins lives, a Biblical rod* isn’t going to help me straighten out his defaming ass.
I live in Vermont. *Nimrod. And as far as those phony links go, the only one that’s just for fun is the “cowed” one. The others represent a commentary on your foolish assertions, and the very first link I provided was to your post. And FYI, the plural of doofus is doofae. What do you make of the Google link from my original post? Any of those writers misogynists, just for calling Feinstein a cunt?
Assuming the “norwegianist” is of the left, that means I’ve now seen both leftists and the far-right come to the defense of Helen Thomas.
She’s a uniter!
Pablo: Norwegianity is a dipshit
Either Norgy’s definitions of “grandstanding” and “ass” are non-standard, or he’s never seen her flinging poo during a White House press conference. Not only is she a grandstanding ass, but more colorful than that of any baboon.
What McGehee said.
The only thing valuable about Helen Thomas would have been if Mickey Mantle had signed her face.
I don’t think he really knows who Goebbels was.
What.
The.
Fuck?
That was Helen Thomas? Damn! My apologies to the late Washoe. There. Feel better now?
It is of course quite obvious that the reason Russert and Matthews are “grandstanding asses” in Norgy’s (comic) book, is that their most recent, high-profile grandstanding act was at the expense of Her Inevitableness.
I don’t understand. I thought a “misogynist” hates human women, not monkey women. Why do Norwegians love the monkeys so?
yours/
peter.
Ho hum, another Nazi accusation. Brilliant.
If that’s the case, it’s only because we lack the Left’s instinctive grasp of the material. We have to look it up. Norwegianity seems perfectly capable of re-inventing Dr. G on his worst day ab initio.
Regards,
Ric
“Helen Thomas isn’t a grandstanding ass like Russert or Matthews, and the shit hurled her way by the Right has always been mean-spirited first,”
Wow. What’s that guy been smoking? Not to mention the woman has a lock on the mean spirited franchise at least pertaining to Bush. Plus she isnt a reported and hasn’t been one for several years. She is just short of being a truther. I noticed he went straight for the Hitler reference also. Right after the Goebbels.
How on earth did she miss the James Buchanan presidency?
Or, for that matter, the Clinton presidency?
Ric Locke — yeah, but it’s always so damned awkward when they catch us reaching for our autographed copies…
#13 — IIRC, she was drunk thru it…
The dialectic demanded Helen Thomas.
And then it vomited and suffered spontaneous combustion.
What I don’t understand about people who live and work in D.C. is that they never fucking retire! What gets in their head that just because they work there, they are somehow invaluable? Someone needs to show them a cemetery. There’s plenty of invaluable people in there.
Some day Helen Thomas will be in a cemetery. Will the world survive?
Moonbats didn’t have any trouble finding ways to insult Linda Tripp’s appearance. If the shoe fits, wear it. Helen Thomas is ugly inside and out, boo fucking hoo.
Dan, have you told him about all the cats you own? cause I don’t think you can be misogynist with that many kitties.
I tried reading that utter and complete bullshit, hopkng that the Norwegianity was barking up a new fjord, but sadly, no. What a pretentious arrogant fucking prick. If making fun of Helen Thomas is sexist then comedy shall cease to exist. My great grandfather’s baseball mitt has nicer skin than Helen, and there are water buffalo that flee in terror at her sight.
Hey, fjord fucker – Hitler, Goebbels, meanie McMeaniepants? Is that the best you’ve got? The Norsemen would be embarassed by pansies like you.
Anyone watching a White House press conference knows that Helen Thomas is far uglier on the inside than the outside.
In that, at least, she has much company, most of it on the Left.
I would be willing to bet that Bellicheck is Helen Thomas’ love child. Those Norwegianers are a shifty lot, they are.
That’s probably because a lot of us remember the fact that Jimmy Carter once held the same office.
“Look at the economy. Look at the occupation. Look at the current saber rattling. What other president has screwed up America this much?”
Um…
Does anyone have any idea what he’s talking about?
I believe Helen employs techniques from the Goose Gossage school of intimidation. Ever since The Goose plunked Ron Cey in the bean, closers have tried to make themselves as ugly as possible, just to get that extra edge. Helen Thomas would grow a massive “dual-Harley-pipe fu” if she could.
I’m assuming she can’t.
Shorter Norwegianist: Dan Collins is just like a Nazi.
WHy do you give a rat’s ass about what Norwegianist has to say, Dan? Isn’t this the same guy who wants Israel out of Gaza, two years after it actually happened?
One gets the image of some unknown Greek hero battling the Hydra. No matter how many times Standard Issue Lefty Bromidist throws down the dread “Nazi” innuendo like a slashing blade of TRUTH the dirty wingnuts keep not rolling over and giving up.
Yeah, being ugly is EXACTLY the same as being Jewish. And the statement that Helen Thomas was/is ugly (never seen the broad, don’t know) was the ENTIRE POINT of Collin’s argument, and NOT merely a fistful of snark thrown in for the hell of it.
Childish art thou, Dan. Childish, and mean, and therefore a Nazi. Cos’ Nazis were just mean. Not ideologically perverse, not drowning in a miasma of revolutionary dreams, pseudo-science and militarism. No, no. Just mean, and THE VERY SAME as someone who tells Helen Thomas to shut her pie-hole.
So glad we’ve got these progressives to show us the way.
Slart, I don’t care what he says. I just want to see how contorted I can cause him to get.
Andrew–that really was the point of my post, except for the part where I was pretty sure that some lefty would howl, and I could have a little fun.
*but Helen Thomas isn’t a grandstanding ass like Russert or *
Errr, does this guy know who Helen Thomas is ?
She’s a grandstanding ass on the grandest stage- the white house press room.
IT always amuses me when the lefties go right for the Nazi stuff. This one is even better since he is engaging in the same style as those he compares to us.
The constant drumbeat of “wingnut” and the sexualized references (wankers) is straight out of Herr Goebbels playbook.
What never ceases to amuse is the leftist’s rhetorical creativity. A simple, if snarky, post comparing Helen Thomas to a dead simian stimulates the the brain waves resulting in;
Collins hates women. (I’m sure women across the country are thrilled with Thomas as their sexual template. Because, after all, one’s opinion about one reporter can be postulated to a cherry red phobic hate of an entire gender.)
Collins is sad because right wingers have been completely repudiated. (Tell that to the Democratic Congress approval rating, currently mired in the low 20’s.)
Collin’s president has screwed up the economy. (Quick show of hands: How many European counties would like our economic growth and unemployment numbers? OK. OK, stop pushing!)
Collin’s is miserable because Bush has screwed up the GWOT. (No doubt this is confirmed by the nummer of successful attacks on out country in the last 6 years. Oh, wait … um … HALLIBURTON!)
Collins is no more than a Nazi like Goebbels. (Well, isn’t it obvious that an insulting post about an old and unpleasant left wing reporter is equivalent to a psycotic thug who masterminded a worldwide propoganda machine for 6 years? Huh?)
I’d go on but I’m concerned with my brain cells falling into entropy, screaming. The next time some troll comes rolling around to accuse us of projecting on leftist written dogma, let’s be sure to send them to the Norseweenie.
I think all the attention will give him Norwegian wood.
Because they remind us so much of so many of our relatives. That said, Im pretty sure the Norwegiot is no relative of mine.
I came up with Norweginanity. Same idea.
Jealosy, thy name is JD. (heh)
After sleeping on it, I have arrived at the following conclusions.
1) During my travels in Europe, I liked Norway. Because of the Norwegianistisms, I am rethinking my conclusions.
2) The women are still waaaaaay hot in Norway.
3) The whole Nazi meme is so silly that iy deserves nothing less than a public mushroom bruise every time it is employed. Especially when used by a silly fjord fnord …
4) All prior Yeti sightings were frauds. Yeti’s are masters of disguise, and Helen Thomas is clearly a Yeti that has shaved its face, not its moles, and applied its make-up with a trowel.
5) Bellicheck is an ass. His team – sensational.
BJ – No jealousy involved. He is a prick. The better team won, yesterday. Would love to play it again today with us at full strength. We have nothing to hang our heads about.
“Andrew–that really was the point of my post, except for the part where I was pretty sure that some lefty would howl, and I could have a little fun.”
I stand corrected. Except that playing the epater la gauchiste riff is pretty much just for the hell of it, so my point stands.
“I was pretty sure that some lefty would howl, and I could have a little fun.”
Desperate times require desperate measures. Just ask Mushareff. He’s havin’ your kind of fun.
And Michael Moore’s fat, and he’s gonna die.
And KKKleo is a fuckin’ imbecile.
“And Michael Moore’s fat, and he’s gonna die.”
Waterboarding won’t kill him, just make him believe he’s gonna die.
Being grossly obese, Moore has so worried the Torture Administration, that they’ve constructed a waterboard from HumVee armor to support the tonnage for continued amusement for the FunHogs.
One day, the last of us will learn not to respond when cleo spouts off like this.
Once in a while, cleo used to attempt to make a point, but those days are long past.
Waterboarding is not physically possible for the gelatinous director. My guess is that even our best torture teams couldn’t produce the amount of fluid that MM’s night sweats bring on just before REM sleep. He’d scoff, “I get more drenched walking to the fridge for a snack of bacon-wrapped butter sticks and a glass high-fructose corn syrup.”
“those days are long past.”
Heh. No shit. Doubt yer wonderin’ why.
That’s Dan Collins’ way of dealing with a reporter who can’t be cowed by the wingnut noise machine.
From the looks of her, Helen has been cowed many, many times.
cleo:
I’m assuming you have a honkin’ fine GPS system that allowed you to start here:
and navigate the twists, turns, dare I say, torturous routes that allowed you to end up here:
I only say that because if you managed to make that walkabout with just a compass and a sextant, I’m impressed.
BJ;
Dan shared his idea of ‘fun’, I gave yet another example based upon his sense of humor. No GPS is necessary.
Actually, I think I’ve figured out the real answer: she thinks James Buchanan is still president.
And, she can’t figure out why he suddenly tells everyone to call him “Pat.”
Oh, and those rumors President Buchanan was gay? Not true.
Until his first press conference.
“Desperate times require desperate measures. Just ask Mushareff. He’s havin’ your kind of fun.”
I don’t get it. Are you saying that Mushareff’s coup-ing of what he already coup-ed is the same as Collins saying that HT is a bauser? How could that be, when, as we’ve established, Collins was not being serious (that is, he wasn’t making an argument, but venting his spleen) whereas Mushy most definitely is (no one references Lincoln without they think the world sits on their skinny neck-braces)?
Or are you just throwing out names from the news, especially dirty filthy bushhobbitburton ally names? Are we wingnuts supposed to pretend that we’re wedded to this particular warlord, who, given his track record of fighting al Qaeda, is not much of a warlord?
Just wonderin’.
If you search on “Helen Thomas” with Google Images, you’ll quickly realize that Dan was being kind to Ms. Thomas. Very kind.
Anyone care to bet that Miss Cleo looks a lot like Helen Thomas?
Its not OK to make ape comparisons to a reporter who lost any credibility long ago, but it is OK to call the POTUS a liar and publish a cartoon of him in his underware
http://www.norwegianity.com/index.php?itemid=2197
Dang, y’mean that was Helen Thomas?
I coulda sworn it was Washoe…
Fucking Norwegians.
Let us all pause, take a deep breath, and swear on the stone tablets that we will never write a sentence with a reference to Helen Thomas’ ass ever again. And I mean EVER !
So, the major issues facing Norway today are how to curtail runaway welfare spending, planning for the day when their small oil reserves are depleted, and whether or not to join the EU. Hell, their economy is described as welfare capitalism – ???
For a guy from a country that is only slightly larger than New Mexico, this Norwegianist sure is full of himself. Hell, over 4/5 of their country is a member of the Church of Norway. What in the hell do they celebrate? Salted herring?
That, lutefisk, and Odin.
Charles Krauthammer is kinda fugly too, but he knows how to behave like an adult is the difference.
Mickey Kaus also.
But if you were gonna do a top 10 fugly journalists list, by any objective standard Helen would come out on top.
Also that morbidly obese man that’s on the McLaughlin Group, if that’s still on.
So he disparages her appearance, just like the Nazis did the Jews.
But the Nazis had to use caricature is the difference. Dan showed Helen Thomas in soft light and soft focus.
That’s just a really stupid analogy cause there’s no analogy there.
happyfeet – In any list of the Top 10 Most Fugly Journalists, Helen Thomas objectively holds all 10 places.
You *have* to make room for Terry Gross – she of the original face for radio.
Ouch … She could squeeze into #10, if and only if Helen Thomas got rid of some of that cottage cheese, and a few of her chins.
“Just ask Mushareff. He’s havin’ your kind of fun.”
Who is this Mushareff you speak of? Any relation to Pakistani President Musharraf by any chance?
The damned Norwegian notes that he is going, voluntarily, to a Keith Ellison fundraiser. Need to know much more about this clown?
I cannot stand people who shovel shit like this Norse-douche, and then do not have the stones to allow comments.
JD: “5) Bellicheck is an ass. His team – sensational.”
Any man who wouldn’t take an opportunity to shake Tony Dungy’s hand is the very definition of “ass.”
Cowboy – I think he shook hands last night. In mid-stride. He didn’t bother after they got beat in the AFC Championship game.
Yeah, not at all cuddly like Vince Lombardi.
Oh, and…
Pablo: Norwegianity is an absolute tool.
I wouldn’t waste my time on that Nazi.
Lombardi was a good sport. Bellicheck, not so much.
She auctions a bunch of the chins off every year, for charity. Used to be the Childhood Blindness Foundation, ’til she found out the idea was to cure it.
McGehee – You are not giving her fugliness sufficient credit. That kind of fugly could blind anyone and anything, not just children.
According to my family oral history, the name “Click” is corrupted from a Norwegian name
as I’ve written before, the family Click was brought to the New World as bond slaves in 1697, sold out of debtor prison on one side of the Atlantic to work on a Viginia plantation
So when I have occassion to see what passes for enlightenment, rationality and compassion back in my ancestral home
I’m SO FUCKING GLAD my ancestor got his ass sold
Darleen – I am laughing so freakin’ hard. That was funny on so many levels.
And don’t ever let them forget it!
Somehow I doubt that Norwegian is related to our Norwegiot though.
I thought that the Swiss once occupied Norway, and simply allowed them to become their own sovereign State. No? Didn’t Hitler occupy Norway?
Uffda! I misquoted that one just a bit. Here’s the original delightful ditty, along with this piece which might explain too much:
Too bad the troll-stuffing industry seems to have fallen on hard times..
That was quite comical. Now, I think I am going to have to add Lutefisk to the list of things I have to try, once, in my lifetime.
Yes, the Nazis occupied Norway. Don’t even get me started on how they got to Norway without first occupying Sweden..
Oh! I almost forgot one of our other ethnic delicacies, Gamalost! As this piece notes, “Norwegian legend states Gamalost is created by stuffing a piece of cheese into an old sock, burying it in manure under a barn. The cheese is ready to be eaten when it crawls out by itself.” They call it “Viking Viagra”, but I don’t see how that works. It’s so foul that my mom used to make my dad eat it out in the garage. It came in a tiny little can and needed no refrigeration because it couldn’t go any badder.
[Sigh] Sure is nice to be reminded that I decend from a long line of shit eaters.
Lutefisk, I will try. Haggis even. Gamalost? Never.
I’m so fucking embarassed now, Swen. I thought you were supposed to eat the sock.
They do nice things with potatoes, those Norwegians.
You’re probably out of luck JD. What they sell for lutefisk nowadays is just codfish with some spices. The real stuff was preserved in lye and probably can’t be imported or sold here anymore [the USDA ain’t all bad]. But if you could get it, and get past the incredibly foul odor, you’d find it had all the flavor and texture of a bowl of hot buttered snot. Imagine very fishy-flavored jello. Without the tiny marshmallows.
Used to have to eat that crap at every holiday. Norwegian “soul food”. Anybody who could afford fresh fish never ate that stuff, so the fact that my grandparents considered it a delicacy probably says something about the economic stratum from whence they came.
Swen – Then I will just have to go to Norway, find a poor Norwegiander, and try out that delicacy.
What exactly is their preoccupation with eating food that is rotten?
Dan – Eat the sock?
The sock might taste better! And it’s just extremely ripe goat cheese, so it might actually be pretty good. I just remember it smelled horrid.
Lutefisk isn’t “rotten”, it’s just preserved in the cheapest, easiest way possible. Back in the days before refrigeration the people who couldn’t afford fresh fish, salted fish, or smoked fish could buy fish from the lye barrel. I imagine if you served that as a special delicacy on holidays you had to be terribly poor. Of course the grandparents also emigrated to North Dakota and were happy there, so perhaps they just weren’t all that bright.
“You’re probably out of luck JD. What they sell for lutefisk nowadays is just codfish with some spices. The real stuff was preserved in lye and probably can’t be imported or sold here anymore [the USDA ain’t all bad].”
Scratches head. Strange, Alton Brown visited a lutefisk production plant in the Feasting on Asphalt II series when passing through Minnesota. Damned if I can remember the name of the company though. In any case, they were producing just as one would expect the stuff to be made.
Hmmppff, should have googled first *before* posting. The company in question is the Olsen Fish Company, 2115 N. 2nd St., Minneapolis, MN 55411 and even has a website: http://www.lutefiskmike.com
Enjoy (and I use the term loosely)…
Food tastes so much better in its natural environment. Plus, the Norwegiantistic women were not too hard on the eyes. Between the lutefisk and the Gamalost, they smelled rather putrid, but nothing an entire bottle of perfume could not fix.
Hey, I think Helen Thomas is hot! I just disagree with her politics, and her journalism considering how closely linked it is to her politics. I don’t suppose Norvege would ever recognize the irony of invoking Goebbels in defense of someone who uses the title of journalist to advance propaganda. Dan, arguing someone who can’t form an argument without using Nazism is useless. If you lose, you’re a Nazi. If you win, you’re a very clever Nazi.
Swen, here’s how I read the last sentence of your comment — tell me if it really changes your meaning at all.
I never got a response from cleo. I feel gypped.
I feel like a real dope, but where exactly is Norwegia, anyway? I have been looking on a map and can’t find it anywhere.
It’s north of Daniamarket, right?
I thought that the Swiss once occupied Norway, and simply allowed them to become their own sovereign State. No?
It was Sweden. The Syttende Mai (17th of May) holiday celebrates the drafting of a Constitution for an independent Norway back in 1814. At that time, the Swedes weren’t having any part of it, and they kept the Norway that the Danes gave them with the treaty of Kiel. (It had to do with alliances during the Napoleonic Wars.)
Independence from Sweden finally came in 1905. The vote was 184 out of 368,208 to 184 in favor of independence. The Swedes granted it, and there ya go. A very brief history of modern Norway.
In Re: lutefisk, I don’t think any of our relatives eat it back in the Olde Country any more. (“Why would I want to eat such thing? We have refrigeration now,” I always imagine them saying.)
My inlaws from Wisconsin love it. Truth be told it’s grown on me, too.
If it looks like Jell-O, you’ve definitely overcooked it, or didn’t rinse it enough. Or a little of both.