Zappatero at Kos comments on Colorado Representative Doug Lambert’s Lamborn’s “threatening” phone call to a couple whose letter to the editor accused him of taking casino money, stating, “this is beyond the pale. This will be repudiated even by the most rabid local wingers. And this, most likely, will get Doug on Keith Olberman’s Worst Person in the World list — if I have anything to do with it.”
Now, I don’t know anything about Doug Lambert Lamborn, and don’t much care. But I do wonder, was Tennessee John Ford ever on Keith Olbermann’s Worst Person in the World list?
happyfeet has more on our explosive expose:
The Denver Post chose not to print the full voice messages. Wonder why.
That said, the AP, drawing on a conversation they had with Lamborn, writes that:
Asked what he meant by consequences, Lamborn said: “When someone tells a lie, it just has bad consequences.”
That is all of a defense the AP hack allows Lamborn, failing to steno this passage from The Post:
Three days after leaving the messages on the Barthas’ voice mail, Lamborn wrote an open letter to Greg Garcia, chair of the El Paso County Republicans, asking him to investigate.
In an open letter to the party on Aug. 8, Garcia said the local party would not tolerate false or misleading statements in campaigns.
“That’s a lot of what I’m thinking of when I talk about ‘there are consequences,’ because Greg Garcia had said earlier that there is going to be a punishment if people tell lies in the course of a campaign,” Lamborn said.
The Post is trying to obfuscate the chronology:
Aug. 8 – Greg Garcia warns that “false or misleading statements” will not be tolerated.
Aug. 24 – Bartha’s letter is printed.
The Post does not report (!!?!) when Lamborn left his messages, but it would have had to have been August 24 or later, which makes really quite odd the AP’s statement that “No comment was available from the couple Sunday [Sep. 2]. A person who answered the phone listed in their name said they did not live there.”
It gets worse. The AP writes that…
Federal records confirm the donations were accepted, but Lamborn said he returned them. He did not say when and The Post said there is no federal record of them being returned.
Here’s what The Post actually said:
Nancy Brown, a spokeswoman for Jones Vargas, a law firm in Reno, Nev., that represents IGT, said the company’s PAC sent a $1,000 contribution to Lamborn in January. She said Lamborn returned the check, although she could not provide the date of the return.
Federal records do not show that the check was returned.
Civilian deaths rose in August to their second-highest monthly level this year, according to figures compiled Saturday by The Associated Press.
The Detroit Populist Times gets it completely wrong.
Meanwhile on this side of the pale…
Slow day over there, huh? Some lame-ass non-threat in a Colorado Republican internecine spat is all they have to fuss about?
If “you better take that back or you will be sorry” were a resignation worthy threat DC would be a pretty desolate place.
“And this, most likely, will get Doug on Keith Olberman’s Worst Person in the World list  if I have anything to do with it.â€Â
Which leaves Mr. Lambert only two choices; suicide or exile.
lest we forget Dan refused to indentify the Representative as ‘Republican’, probably relying on ‘context’ or ‘metanarrativeness’ or perhaps he thought it was ‘blindingly obvious’ that a Republican representative from the hotbed of canine combat that is Colorado would threaten action against a godless Hippie who wrote a letter to the paper.
Zappatero’s statement is ridiculous. This will get Zappatero on O’Reilly’s Most Ridiculous Item of the Day – if I have anything to do with it.
Oh wait, I don’t :(.
If that was a threat, it was by far the mildest threat I’ve ever seen. Of course, being a conservative, nuance is not my forte.
You got Doug Lambert; Tim Blair has Tim Lambert; John Kerry had Lambert Field.
What the hell is wrong with these Lambert people, and is this something John Edwards’ health plan can screen for?
“Keith Olberman’s Worst Person in the World list”
Undoubtedly starts with the nurse who tries, and usually fails, to give Keith his medicine
The Denver Post chose not to print the full voice messages. Wonder why.
That said, the AP, drawing on a conversation they had with Lamborn, writes that:
That is all of a defense the AP hack allows Lamborn, failing to steno this passage from The Post:
The Post is trying to obfuscate the chronology:
Aug. 8 – Greg Garcia warns that “false or misleading statements” will not be tolerated.
Aug. 24 – Bartha’s letter is printed.
The Post does not report (!!?!) when Lamborn left his messages, but it would have had to have been August 24 or later, which makes really quite odd the AP’s statement that “No comment was available from the couple Sunday [Sep. 2]. A person who answered the phone listed in their name said they did not live there.”
It gets worse. The AP writes that…
Here’s what The Post actually said:
Civilian deaths rose in August to their second-highest monthly level this year, according to figures compiled Saturday by The Associated Press.
Well, to get on that Worst Person In The World you either have to be rational and conservative OR be Bill OReilly. Nothing to lose sleep about. Unless, of course, you become Bill OReilly. As far as the phone threats: “”We felt very threatened and intimidated, and quite frankly, scared,””
Pussies.
Sounds like getting on Keith’s list has the same ring as Jakov Smirnoff’s joke about the punishment for homosexuality in the USSR. “Ten years in jail with thousands of other men. There’s a ten year waiting list.”
It’s also quite funny that this diarist actually wants to name himself after that ineffectual putz in Spain.
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So these are the actual messages…
FIRST MESSAGE: “Hello, this is Doug Lamborn calling for either Jonathan or Anna. Something very serious has happened. There was a letter to the editor that you both put in your names to the editor of the Woodmen Edition and there is something that is blatantly false in that letter.
“I would like to get together with you and show this to you and appeal to you as a brother and sister in Christ. You didn’t give me that opportunity but I am happy to overlook that and deal with you on that level because I think that is the right thing to do and show you where you made a blatant, wrong statement.
“Now there are consequences to this kind of thing, but I would like to work with you in a way that is best for everyone here concerned. So please call me at your earliest convenience. It is now 2:40 (p.m.) on Saturday afternoon.
SECOND MESSAGE: “Hello, this is Doug Lamborn again, I’m finishing up my message from a moment ago. I got cut off. It is critical that you get back to me as soon as possible on this because I’ll be going back to Washington here in a few days and I have to make sure that this is resolved one way or another. And like I said I’d rather resolve this on a Scriptural level but if you are unwilling to do that I will be forced to take other steps, which I would rather not have to do. So please call me. This is essential. Call me by tonight, Saturday night and we can get together sometime Sunday afternoon.â€Â
You got to figure he mostly got his Jesus on cause the guy he’s leaving the message for is a Focus on the Family guy. I guess though that they didn’t want to be his brother or sister in Christ and handle this on a scriptural level.
You can go to hell for that I think.
“I would like to get together with you and show this to you and appeal to you as a brother and sister in Christ. You didn’t give me that opportunity but I am happy to overlook that and deal with you on that level because I think that is the right thing to do…”
I can see where that could be fairly horrifying to your average partisan campaign hack.
When you use a phone to threaten someone, it’s a damn felony, same goes for a computer, end of story. I’m sorry that you’ve got your damn head so far up George W. Bush’s ASS that you cannot see that. Azzhat.
This is different than the tone Doug Lamborn took with the Barthas.
What was the nature of the threat?
This was our conversation:
# happyfeet Says:
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:40 pm
You live in Detroit.
# Dan Collins Says:
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:54 pm
The consequences referred to are those promised by the Republican Party Chairman of the state for any false statements published by members of a campaign for the hotly contested seat.
In point of fact Lamborn was upset that he had been accused in the letter of accepting a casino campaign contribution which he had not accepted.
(Yes, but does that excuse the that that he commited a potential felony? I think not… -Editor)
# ThePopulist Says:
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:57 pm
You live in Detroit.
I grew up there… why?
# happyfeet Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
September 3rd, 2007 at 8:09 pm
I dunno. I think that sort of thing can shape your worldview. Most people I know from Detroit have a somewhat less refined sense of what constitutes a threat is all.
So you are upset with Lamborn for being upset with what the Bartha’s wrote. And you are deleting comments that you don’t agree with. With a computer. Walking a fine line there buddy.
“She should be glad some of Americans haven’t gotten together and chased her ass out of the damn country.”
Sure sounds like a threat to me.
“The way I see it, it was her KIND of people that bombed us in 1941.”
It was the Philipines that bombed Pearl Harbor? That attack was even sneakier than we thought!
Oh – the blockquote didn’t take … the “So you are upset…” part was not part of the comments Mr. Populist deleted.
This was Mr. Populist guy’s reasoning for deleting my comments, just so they’re here since his site seems somewhat fluid.
So . . . why is Larry Johnson still on the street?
Chuck seems a little angry. I can’t imagine that he’d be the sort to leave an upset message on someone’s answering machine.
Oh – I already grabbed that.
It’s hot. And I’ve never been deleted before, except for that trackback thing which I kind of understood about.
Interestingly, Chuck’s profile outlines why he got away from that Christianist thing, and yet–here’s the guy the “threatened” couple support.
(h/t Riehl)
What’s a “correspondence specialist”? Is that a fundraising thing?
“correspondence specialist”
Sounds like the Air Force designation of a mail room clerk.
Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself.
So, Chuckles. Where is your head, that you couldn’t read the whole transcript of Lamborn’s actual recorded phone messages, or that you can’t recognize context?
‘Cause, you know, there can be consequences for that kind of thing. Consequences like, being seen for a fool and a partisan wackjob.
But hey — you might consider that a badge of honor. And consequences, some of them are desirable. In the case of you being seen for a fool and a partisan wackjob, even “win-win.”
Zappetero has the brain capcity the size of an ant —Colorado representative Doug Lamborn has just made the final doo-doo step it what will be the shortest and most lackluster career the House has ever seen. Doug Lamborn’s recorded threats to a pair of voters critical of his views has now reached the pages of both the Denver and Huffington Posts.
May 08, 2004
here is the audio link
http://images.radcity.net/5152/663017.wav
correspondence specialist
says it tops out at $52,800.00
The couples posturing not withstanding, what he said isn’t specific enough to be a crime. Unless he threatened to turn their dog over to Michael Vick. I’m not the lawyer Chuck is so I asked one.
Chuckiepoo
Sure it is, but (1)the couple has to file a police report (2)the police have to review the message and see, if it does, rise to minimal level of threat (3)forward it to the District Attorney to see if that office also sees it if constitutes a real threat (4)the DA then actually files a complaint
Have any of those things taken place? Well, then… I’d say the Bartha’s running first to the press about being “threatened” by someone they already possibly defamed in print makes their credibility suspect.
I figure collections people would probably all be in jail.
Liberals are angry and racist. I’ve read that it used to not be this way.
Oh… btw, Chuckie? Phone threats are not an automatic felony.
You don’t have much grasp of the law.
Thanks Happy – I knew there was more…just another example of liberal foot and mouth disease – I hear Chuckie’s scheduled for a Segway ride soon.
Dan
How many people receive messages from their kid’s teacher saying “we need to talk before I have to go to the principal”?
Oh THE HORROR! Felonious telephone use by a teacher!
Beavis: “Are you threatening me?!”
I don’t even need to ask to know damn well that that teacher is a Rethuglican.
Chuckles has a real hangup about confrontations over the phone.
“…and not too long after that, I ended up leaving, I felt Dr. Golden Blount’s stance on the Masons wasn’t quite right. and he had one, in his Church…”
It always comes back to the Masons.
You bunch of Right Wing Suckbags can kiss my fucking ass, you mother fuckers are going to LOSE the damn election in 2008. You stole 2000 and 2004, ain’t fucking happening again. I assure you of that. You’re fucking Hypocrisy stinks to fucking high heaven. Your damn party is defeated and now you’re acting out on my ass. So, you know? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!
And Have a Nice Day….
-Chuck
I’m feeling threatened.
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Damn. Soak up that nuance.
Damn.
Ah, random capitalization. Always the harbinger of an astute legal mind.
Fun Fact: In 2007, International Game Technology (IGT) PAC has given money to NO Republican Senator that was not a member of the Republican Main Street Partnership.
The gave to Coleman (facing reelection in 2008), Collins (2008), Smith (2008), and McCain (2010), leaving out only Olympia Snowe (2012) and Arlen Specter (2010).
Of all their donations to individual Republican candidates or associates PACS – Representatives and Senators ($42,500), $21,500 (50.6%) has gone to Republican Main Street Partnership members.
The Republican Main Street Partnership is funded in part by George Soros, who also funds CREW, which has played a role in several other scandals of late in which the media have been largely compliant if not complicit.
I don’t know what this means, but Lamborn says he would not have solicited the donation.
Ack – IGT did give $1000 to John Sununu, who is not a RMSP member, but a fellow traveller. I didn’t included that when I figured the above percentages, but I set his data aside because it’s kind of ambiguous. Clearly though, this is a PAC that’s interested in pulling the Senate to the left.
Ah, random capitalization. Always the harbinger of an astute legal mind.
Kinda reminds me of Swift. The capitalization, not the rest. That reminds me of “Casino.”
Chuckie’s got a new post up…see, Dan and happyfeet, him deleting your comments is your fault. He says upfront that he’s a narrow-minded prick who scrubs his blog of any heterodoxy, so your bad manners simply force him to purge things that might cause him to reconsider.
Because, you know, populists shouldn’t have to put up with shit people say.
Chuck, I think its really special that the librarians at your junior high showed you how to use the computer, but really do try to write more coherently.
After seeing that second comment from Chucklehead, I have concluded that he is doing parody of a grumpy proglodyte.
Unintentionally, perhaps — but there’s no denying it’s parody.
Chuck:
I thought it was supposed to be “Have a nice fucking day.”
Where’s the civility?
Chuckie never let my comment on how the law works get through. And I expect this one won’t make it out of moderation
I don’t know what gets his tidy whities in such a bunch, but this “I am NOT at all interested in debating my opinions on any issue” kind of blogger has larger issues than a few people who disagree with him.
what a putz!
Uh, Chuck?
I laugh at these mental giants who come here and leave their little troll comments.
What part of this don’t you understand?:
All Comments are Moderated.
It is not a requirement to be a member of this Blog, [Thank God for small favors – ed] Which runs on the WordPress Platform, to comment here, However, if you leave nasty comments or insulting or just general troll comments, you entry will not be approved. [Note to self: Remind Chuck to fuck off and die – ed] I am all for intellegent discussion, but troll and blatant stupidity are not wanted or welcomed here. [Shorter Chuck: I do that elsewhere – ed] Please be advised, my opinions are my own, I am NOT at all interested in debating my opinions on any issue, so, if you come here to try and draw me into a debate, I’ll just delete your comments. {Because I’m not terribly bright and I feel vulnerable when someone challenges me] I will explain my position on any issue, I will not debate it. You want to debate an issue, go elsewhere. Thank you.
No Chuck, thank you. Now go fuck yourself, k?
Good thread. This one had me in stitches.
;^)
I would defy anyone to go to that blog and NOT think “You’re from Detroit.”
Jesus, what a fruitbat.
Don’t know about you folks, but iIfeel threatened by this. It’s internets harasement/stalking. I think I will submit this to my local press, or even better FBI – they will sort it all out and since I am a NEO CON all it takes is a nod and the FBI spy people are all OVER them Chuckies.
Chuck? I assure they will be knocking on your door any minute now. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
You stole 2000 and 2004, ain’t fucking happening again. I assure you of that.
What does this mean? Is Chuck actively working to defraud an election to make it so Democrats win ala Chicago? Is Chuck of Populist Times coordinating with saboteurs in order to a rig a election for Democrats? He’s engaging in voter fraud? Should the DOJ investigate? His state Attorney General?
We have his email address right? OH Chuck. You said too much.
don’t make me laugh…. idiots.
No serious Chuck – ask Maccabee and Democrat Phoenix…the fix is in.
don’t make me laugh…. idiots.
No Chuck, your adolescent temper tantrums make US laugh.
Oh, no! I feel mocked!
That’s a felony over the intertubes, ain’t it? There are consequences for this sort of thing!
Oh, now I’ve gone and done it.
I dunno. I think that sort of thing can shape your worldview. Most people I know from Detroit have a somewhat less refined sense of what constitutes a threat is all.
Ok, guys, you’re giving me a complex with these Detroit comments. Can’t we just attack Chuck for being an idiot, and leave out the city bashing?
Oh. Sorry. I guess it comes across more strident or something than I meant, but I would have said the same thing about NYC or LA. Or Boston. But not Charleston or like Denver.
“Comment by Chuck @ Detroit Populist Times on 9/3 @ 11:22 pm #
don’t make me laugh…. idiots.”
Chuck reminds me of the loser wimp on the Alltel commercial – the “leader” of the alternative cell phone company reps who are always chasing after the Alltel guy Chad, only to get frustrated at every turn. Based on Chuck’s screed where he lays out his disdain –in fourth-grade grammar no less — for all things telephonic, I suspect he is a blogger who truly does live in his mom’s basement.