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Hey, what happened to the phrase “I’m not anti-Semitic, I’m just anti-Zionist”? [Darleen Click]

Ah, the state of “journalism” today when a reporter — in this instance the BBC’s Tim Wilcox — lectures a frightened French Jewish woman on how the Jews are the ones really to blame for any hate directed at them … cuz ISRAEL!!

anti-semitism bbc tim wilcox

48 Replies to “Hey, what happened to the phrase “I’m not anti-Semitic, I’m just anti-Zionist”? [Darleen Click]”

newrouter says:

January 11, 2015 at 9:41 pm

Bob Dylan Shelter From the Storm
newrouter says:

January 11, 2015 at 9:50 pm

Buffalo Springfield – For What It’s Worth 1967
newrouter says:

January 11, 2015 at 9:58 pm

Praise You In This Storm
newrouter says:

January 11, 2015 at 10:04 pm

In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

George Orwell
newrouter says:

January 11, 2015 at 10:18 pm

> Brothers and sisters, do not be afraid to welcome Christ and accept his power. Help the Pope and all those who wish to serve Christ and with Christ’s power to serve the human person and the whole of mankind. Do not be afraid. Open wide the doors for Christ. To his saving power open the boundaries of States, economic and political systems, the vast fields of culture, civilization and development. Do not be afraid. Christ knows “what is in man”. He alone knows it.

So often today man does not know what is within him, in the depths of his mind and heart. So often he is uncertain about the meaning of his life on this earth. He is assailed by doubt, a doubt which turns into despair. We ask you therefore, we beg you with humility and trust, let Christ speak to man. He alone has words of life, yes, of eternal life.<

link
newrouter says:

January 11, 2015 at 10:23 pm

Glorious Day
newrouter says:

January 11, 2015 at 10:31 pm

> Hebrews 13:6New King James Version (NKJV)

6 So we may boldly say:

“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear.
What can man do to me?”<
McGehee says:

January 12, 2015 at 7:35 am

BBC’s Tim Wilcox is one of those terrorist apologists who needs to meet the same fate as actual terrorists.
sdferr says:

January 12, 2015 at 7:49 am

Wilcox, unlike the French government, has no power to make policy for the French people, which government takes up the part of Hamas in the war between Israel and the jihadists in Gaza. Wilcox is a kind of nobody in the wider scheme of things, whereas the French government has the wherewithal to finance the terrorists, and does.
happyfeet says:

January 12, 2015 at 7:49 am

i like her glasses
sdferr says:

January 12, 2015 at 7:57 am

TruthRevolt: CNN — Muslims shopped there too!

An attack on one is an attack on all!
dicentra says:

January 12, 2015 at 9:29 am

They couldn’t blame anti-Judaism on Israel in the 1930s, and yet look what happened anyway.

Humanity is evil. #SMOD2016.
McGehee says:

January 12, 2015 at 10:31 am

No, they had to settle for blaming it on the Jews.

80 years ago they wanted all the Jews out of Europe. Now they want them all off the planet.
sdferr says:

January 12, 2015 at 10:55 am

80 years ago they wanted all the Jews out of Europe.

I apologize for the naive question, but taking for granted that this is so (and I’m not so sure it is so, in view of the great Shoah scholar Raul Hilberg’s contention that the propositions down the centuries altered from “you cannot live among us as Jews” [convert and ghettoize], to “you cannot live among us” [expulsions to elsewhere], to “you cannot live” [die in the Nazi murder machine]) — why was this “their” desire?
McGehee says:

January 12, 2015 at 11:47 am

The Nazi murder machine, I will point out, only operated in Europe. And a Jew-free Europe would have been satisfactory to most European anti-Semitists back then.

As to why, though I haven’t read Mein Kampf I’m willing to bet some degree of explanation might be found there, and in such tracts as may be cited therein.
McGehee says:

January 12, 2015 at 11:52 am

“They” have discovered since then that a Jewish state empowers Jews more than it isolates them. They can’t abide that.
LBascom says:

January 12, 2015 at 1:19 pm

why was this “their” desire?

I’m just spit-balling, an expert on the subject would have to be found elsewhere, but there are many compounding reasons in my view.

The one I’ve heard most is “the Jews killed Christ”, never mind Jesus was a Jew, hate needs not reason.

Then there is the thinger where Jews don’t assimilate well. Not speaking so much to modern day America, but traditionally they kept away from their host countries culture in favor of their own, which not only helped make them seem to be “the other”, but made them successful, combining together to breed resentment and a convenient scape goat for the less successful.

Hitler’s main success was giving the Germans a more palatable reason for the post WWI misery than their own militarism; the dirty Jew bankers were responsible, not themselves.

Jews have always made good scapegoats.
eCurmudgeon says:

January 12, 2015 at 1:23 pm

80 years ago they wanted all the Jews out of Europe. Now they want them all off the planet.

Which means that if anyone manages to come up with a working FTL drive, it’s likely to be the Jews…
McGehee says:

January 12, 2015 at 1:42 pm

All is proceeding as Mel Brooks has foreseen.
McGehee says:

January 12, 2015 at 1:44 pm

The one I’ve heard most is “the Jews killed Christ”, never mind Jesus was a Jew, hate needs not reason.

Besides which, theologically, all sinners bear that responsibility.
Shermlaw says:

January 12, 2015 at 1:53 pm

sdferr and LBascom,

In Europe, I think the ultimate foundation for antisemitism lies in the conflict between what is now known as “substitution theology” vs. the evangelical “dispensationalist” view of history. In the former, the Church supplanted the Jews as the beneficiaries of God’s promises because of the Jews rejection of Christ. The latter view is summed up by the statement, “God does not break his promises, including those made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” This tension, I think, best explains America’s historical–at least until the current administration–support for Israel and explains European historical antipathy for the Jews.

Interestingly, the head of the German Lutheran Church recently (and Pope Benedict several years ago) began to push back against that theological interpretation of the role of the Jewish Nation in history.

@McGee

Besides which, theologically, all sinners bear that responsibility.

Bingo. Who killed Christ?

I did.
sdferr says:

January 12, 2015 at 2:10 pm

I don’t know the terms substitution theology and dispensationalist theology Shermlaw, but the thought of them provokes another (associated) thought from me regarding Roger Kimball’s article “Who Speaks for Islam?” today: so I thought, “who?”, and answered to myself, “why not the warlord Abd al-Malik and his twain inner and outer ambulatory inscriptions on the Dome of the Rock?”, since after all it’s his derivative (and pathetic religion) we’re talking about? And these two sets of credo put both Judaism and Christianity in their place as abject heresies unfit to the universal religious truth now know as Islam.
geoffb says:

January 12, 2015 at 3:04 pm

Making a #ofeverything.
geoffb says:

January 12, 2015 at 3:11 pm

The retort.
dicentra says:

January 12, 2015 at 7:06 pm

Glenn Beck begins to uncover Putin’s “Third Roman Empire” aspirations.

(1) Kiev is the ancient spiritual capital of the Orthodox faith in Russia
(2) Putin is cozying up to the Eastern Orthodox church, proclaiming that the world needs cleansing.
(3) The anti-homosexual legislation is just the beginning of the cleansing.

Two more parts to come; apparently, there’s a new Rasputin in Russia who is just as creepy and possibly more powerful.
dicentra says:

January 12, 2015 at 7:08 pm

began to push back against that theological interpretation

Against substitutionist or the other one?
Pablo says:

January 12, 2015 at 7:39 pm

Ever want to see Kerry nuked from orbit? Here ya go.
eCurmudgeon says:

January 12, 2015 at 7:41 pm

apparently, there’s a new Rasputin in Russia who is just as creepy and possibly more powerful.

Alexander Dugin:

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, ultranationalist ideologies were decidedly out of vogue. Rather, most Russians looked forward to Russia’s democratization and reintegration with the world. Still, a few hard-core patriotic elements remained that opposed de-Sovietization and believed — as Putin does today — that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century. Among them was the ideologist Alexander Dugin, who was a regular contributor to the ultranationalist analytic center and newspaper Den’ (later known as Zavtra). His earliest claim to fame was a 1991 pamphlet, “The War of the Continents,” in which he described an ongoing geopolitical struggle between the two types of global powers: land powers, or “Eternal Rome,” which are based on the principles of statehood, communality, idealism, and the superiority of the common good, and civilizations of the sea, or “Eternal Carthage,” which are based on individualism, trade, and materialism. In Dugin’s understanding, “Eternal Carthage,” was historically embodied by Athenian democracy and the Dutch and British Empires. Now, it is represented by the United States. “Eternal Rome” is embodied by Russia. For Dugin, the conflict between the two will last until one is destroyed completely — no type of political regime and no amount of trade can stop that. In order for the “good” (Russia) to eventually defeat the “bad” (United States), he wrote, a conservative revolution must take place.
Shermlaw says:

January 12, 2015 at 8:10 pm

@di, pushback against the substitution theology. The pronouncements were by both Benedict and the head of the German Lutheran Church were very significant theologically. If you look at modern Christianity, support for Israel among various denominations is generally divided between the dispensationalists who support Israel and the “substitutionists” who do not. It’s an old theological argument.
newrouter says:

January 12, 2015 at 8:15 pm

>Glenn Beck begins to uncover<

that 40,000 marching in dresden are not neo nazis. dude might want to ask questions of the marchers. you block concern about immigration you block a healthy politity. eff the ruining class
newrouter says:

January 12, 2015 at 8:21 pm

>Glenn Beck begins to uncover<

his limitations.
newrouter says:

January 12, 2015 at 8:27 pm

>ultranationalist ideologies<

so if i am in the usa: i am an 'ultranationalist ideologue' for 'rule of law' for immigration? invite the world/invade the world. eff u.
newrouter says:

January 12, 2015 at 9:00 pm

A Pack, Not a Lone Wolf
newrouter says:

January 12, 2015 at 9:09 pm

ruining class: “jews and muslims” effin dolts

The Clash – Rock the Casbah
newrouter says:

January 12, 2015 at 9:12 pm

everyone draw allan day! make him gay.
newrouter says:

January 12, 2015 at 9:32 pm

bot try
Bob Dylan Shelter From the Storm
geoffb says:

January 12, 2015 at 10:26 pm

Anyone who wants to understand how the Jews of France—and most other places in the Diaspora, including the United States—feel inside, especially at times when we are targeted by men with guns who represent a radical, fascistic ideology bent on killing us, should take a look at these two videos from the Grand Synagogue of Paris after a solidarity rally that brought an estimated 1.5 million people into the streets to declare their support for free speech and their opposition to Islamist terrorism.

The first video shows the entrance of French President François Hollande to the Grand Synagogue, followed 40 seconds or so later by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who unlike Hollande is greeted by loud and spontaneous cheering.

The fact that the crowd cheers when Netanyahu enters the synagogue has nothing to do with whether the people gathered inside are socialist or conservative voters, or would vote for Netanyahu in an election in either Israel or France, or whether they support or oppose a two-state solution or a one-state solution or continued Israeli settlement of the West Bank. As in every Jewish crowd, there are no doubt people in all camps. The reason they are cheering is far more basic, and it has to do with the harsh lesson that history has engraved into the souls of every conscious and self-aware Jew in the world today. We know that when our lives are in danger, the states where we have built businesses and professional lives and raised our children may or may not protect us, and the same is true of our friends and neighbors. That lesson of the Holocaust is simply too clear and too costly for any of us to ignore.

The reason that Jews can live normal lives as citizens of Western democracies today is not that human nature has markedly improved since 1945, or that another series of attacks by anti-Semitic fanatics is unthinkable. Sadly, that’s not true, as the events of the last week and the last year in Paris show. We are not afraid because we know, whether overtly or in a dark half-acknowledged corner of our minds, that there is one state in the world—however imperfect it is in some of its particulars—where we and our children will be welcome, and whose government will do its best to protect us, with all the force at its disposal.

[…]

What has changed for the Jewish people over the past 75 years isn’t that we have ceased to love the countries where we live. It is that we are no longer compelled to bet—with our lives—that our love will be requited.
Patrick Chester says:

January 13, 2015 at 2:53 am

Besides which, theologically, all sinners bear that responsibility.

…and to nitpick, it was the Romans who did the actual killing via crucifixion. (“First offense…”)
serr8d says:

January 13, 2015 at 7:04 am

Talking points that are pathetically laughable..

When Muslims are mocked and insulted and their prophet whom they love more than themselves dishonoured in an appalling way under the guise of ‘freedom of speech’ is a factor that explains the explosion of violent fury in Paris. Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to defame or malign a prophet.

There has been a near-universal condemnation by the Muslim leadership of the attack on Charlie Hebdo , urging Muslims to follow the example of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) who never retaliated against those who personally insulted him, nor did he not seek vengeance on them.

Islam emphasises that the rights of each individual are limited by the rights of others. These rights do not merely include freedom of speech, but equally the basic right to dignity, privacy and respect, and the basic right not to be subjected to degrading or inhuman treatment.

Perhaps the French and their European and Western counterparts need to imbibe Islamic values of tolerance, respect and honour.

Written by:

Dr Firoz Osman

Heh.
sdferr says:

January 13, 2015 at 8:37 am

It’s amusing to see all the commentators missing the desideratum which determined whether ClownDisaster would attend the Paris rally in honor of the slain of Charlie Hebdo (just ignore the dead Jews, say nothing, as ClownIncompetent would do), or stay at home watching football as in the event he did. Hell, it doesn’t even occur to them to ask. However, it’s obvious to anyone pausing to think: Hassan Rouhani would not go.

Had Rouhani been in Paris, PresIVotePresentAndWonPenPhone would have crossed the Atlantic in a heartbeat for the opportunity to be seen standing shoulder to shoulder with Pres. Rouhani, regardless the presence of that chickenshit Netanyahu.
geoffb says:

January 13, 2015 at 11:05 am

Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to defame or malign a prophet.

Under Islam both Moses and Jesus are also prophets. So where was the murderous, Islamic “violent fury” directed at all those who defame and malign them?

He should rephrase his statement to be what he, and the Islamists, actually mean. “Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to defame or malign THEProphet. But then the taqiyya is strong in him.
McGehee says:

January 13, 2015 at 11:15 am

Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to defame or malign a prophet.

Wrong-o, camel-breath! In Western societies it means that before almost anything else — defaming or maligning kings, presidents, gods (but I repeat myself), and living churchmen are the only things that come before it.
geoffb says:

January 13, 2015 at 11:32 am

If he changes it, as I said, to “The Prophet.” then it is part of the Western Press dogma, which is different from what the West supposedly believes.

The lethal attack on Charlie Hebdo, and the firebombing of a tabloid in Germany, has brought out a major contradiction in the Religion of the Press, and a lot of members of the press are demonstrating their confusion in how they respond.

Steven Den Beste guest post at Ace.
sdferr says:

January 13, 2015 at 12:11 pm

The majority of the press didn’t seem all that confused last summer when a paltry handful of journalists working inside Gaza admitted they were prevented by Hamas Islamist operatives from reporting on rockets fired from positions adjacent to hotels and schools. The majority of the press said nothing about events they had been witnessing for near a decade inside Islamist enclaves, and about which they didn’t report years agod and do not report now. Nope. The press is happy to sell a story of Israelis killing women and children while saying nothing about the militant Islamists intentionally seeing to it that those women and children are endangered and killed through unnecessary proximity to Islamist offensive warfighting positions. So where is the confusion? To this day the western press makes nothing of Hamas’ intentions to use their terror tunnels to emerge inside Israeli kindergartens, to murder whomever they should choose, to take hostage whomever they can seize. And this isn’t a matter of taking a position of opinion about a 7th century bloody warlord who claims to speak with angels. This is the merest ordinary work-a-day journalism regarding what these journalist eyewitnesses see and the repressive, violent encounters they endure.
sdferr says:

January 13, 2015 at 12:17 pm

Or does the press report on ISIS with what ISIS gleefully hands them?
dicentra says:

January 13, 2015 at 1:25 pm

and to nitpick, it was the Romans who did the actual killing via crucifixion. (“First offense…”)

The Romans were the only ones who could inflict the death penalty, which is why the Pharisees baited Jesus about whether someone ought to be stoned to death.

Jesus was delivered to Pilate as a subversive, the Jewish leadership hoping Rome would execute him for them (because they could not legally kill him themselves). Pilate didn’t think him guilty of a capital crime, but the political pressure from the Jews prevented him from releasing him outright, hence the choice between Jesus and Barabbas, who actually was a subversive, trying to overthrow Roman occupation.

So the corrupt Jewish leadership (not the Jewish people as a whole) wanted him dead and made it happen via Rome, which was the only way to get rid of him aside from a secret assassination.
dicentra says:

January 13, 2015 at 1:29 pm

that 40,000 marching in dresden are not neo nazis.

cite?
Pablo says:

January 13, 2015 at 7:03 pm

I’ve come to enjoy pointing out that Jesus was such a big-government socialist that the Roman government executed Him for sedition.