August 18, 2014

Michael Brown autopsy — not shot in the back [Darleen Click]


From the pathologist hired by the Brown family.

Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was killed by a police officer, sparking protests around the nation, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy performed on Sunday found.

One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

At this point, all witnesses who claim Brown was shot in the back should be dismissed from the investigation as not credible.

Dr. Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

He stressed that his information does not assign blame or justify the shooting.

We need more information; for example, the police should be examining the automobile to see if there is gunshot residue in the police car,” he said.

Dr. Baden, 80, is a well-known New York-based medical examiner, who is one of only about 400 board-certified forensic pathologists in the nation. He reviewed the autopsies of both President John F. Kennedy and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and has performed more than 20,000 autopsies himself.

There is also a video made immediately after the shooting that captures an eye witness describing Brown charging the police officer which the autopsy apparently supports.

Of course, the new narrative is that even if Brown was shot from the front, the officer used too many bullets and, therefore, needs to be arrested for murder right now. We even have the Brown’s family attorney is disregarding his own pathologist by concluding that the two head shots are “proof” that the officer executed Brown as he was kneeling in surrender.

(any wonder that only 20% of people rank lawyers as highly honest and ethical?)

The FUBAR in Ferguson is not being helped by such unfounded and incendiary accusations.

Posted by Darleen @ 11:42am

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Comments (50)

  1. Clear as mud, right?

    So were there six unique bullets intact or in fragmented form retrieved from the Brown corpse? Or were there only three, or four or what actual number? On the whole, there isn’t so much science here as one might expect.

  2. sdferr

    Per report, this is the 2nd autopsy, and Baden did not have the other report to work. He spoke to only what he himself found.

    I worry about Holder’s DOJ getting the body.

  3. yah, I know Baden speaks only to his own report. I don’t know whether he had any opportunity to see the official autopsy conducted by the local medical examiner (after, of course, Baden had completed his own without knowledge of the former), but if not, can’t make out for myself why not.

  4. If the first few shots were in the arm, that would not stop him if he were charging.

    Aren’t cops supposed to shoot until the target is no longer a threat? Someone that big, wouldn’t the shots to the arm spin him around?

  5. Spin him around rather than drop him, I mean. And if he were high as a kite, ya know.

  6. I don’t believe shots — especially not “grazing” shots — to the arm would spin a fellow like Brown. Sting like hell, sure. But spin, I think not.

  7. It is a myth that shots have enough energy to spin a person.

    There are 6 entry wounds 2 of which traveled through and exited and one those 2 which then re entered..

  8. As to the proposition that there are “6” entry wounds, I’m counting the two “grazing” wounds as 2 of those 6. Is that right (correct from the pov of Dr. Baden) or is that wrong?

    but if those 2 grazing wounds are 2 of the nominal 6, it could happen, I think that those 2 may even have been “caused” or “created” by a single projectile. We don’t know this, of course, but it is not out of the realm of the possible. Further, that same projectile may have then entered Brown’s body after making the two grazing wounds. Again, we don’t have this information, but it appears to be one among many possibilities.

  9. A Hollywood myth done for dramatic effect I should say.

    One thing. At the crime scene there should be blood evidence, on the pavement, which will show where Brown was when bullets struck and show his direction of movement, if any, and give an estimate of his minimum speed of travel based on the officer firing as fast as he could.

  10. One, enter the eye, exit the jaw, re-enter at the lower neck. Another enter the upper arm, exit back of upper arm and the re-enter at the pectoral.

    3 others enter arm/hand and presumably don’t exit and one enter top front of head and never exit. The fail to exits on the arm likely hit bone and stopped.

  11. Baden’s autopsy did not find any residue on the body that would indicate shots from a close distance … Brown was 6’4″ so just how does an officer stand over him to shoot him through the top of the head without leaving gunpowder residue?

    Six shots done rapidly and it appears to have been just off the center of mass that cops are trained to shoot for, the last two shots as Brown is falling forwards. The body was on the ground on his stomach in the direction of the cop.

    Not definitive by any means, but the “racist white cop executes gentle giant black child for no reason” narrative is looking pretty thin.

  12. To observe just a bit further about the autopsy drawing, we have not been shown any “exit” wounds from either of the two shots — one “high” on the right upper arm, and one mid-length on the right lower arm. Because of that absence of exit wound, we might speculate that those particular bullets hit bone within and more or less lodged there, possibly in fragments. Nor is there any “exit” wound associated with the entry-wound on the crown of the head, so again, we might speculate that this particular bullet stayed in the body, and in all likelihood within the brain case.

  13. Not to be a troll magnet, but I wonder if a certain yellow creature is willing to admit he was full of shit?

  14. Pretty damn thin, Dar.

  15. Ach, apologies for the repetition geoffb, I failed to refresh the thread before hitting “post”.

  16. Someone doing a “bum rush” is going to have their body in a position similar to this. The bullet that entered upper arm, exit back of upper arm and enter pectoral lines up with this position.

    I don’t see how someone in a kneeling position with hands up gets that bullet line even if shot from the front.

  17. Why did you have to summons him from his primordial ooze lair, IC???

  18. Bob — thin enough you can see right through it.

  19. I’m not seeing the “exit” back of upper arm you guys are. what am I missing?

  20. Wait. It gets better:

    Possible Game Changer

  21. Why did you have to summons him from his primordial ooze lair, IC???

    Sorry Bob, he just pissed me off so much the other day I couldn’t help it…

  22. There are a number of factors involved in a body’s reaction to a sudden injury. As anyone who has stepped on something sharp knows, a natural reflex is to withdraw the injured body part away from the source of pain as quickly as possible. So a shot in the arm might spin you around regardless of the physical force involved. However, sometimes a sudden injury is only perceived as an impact at first and only later as pain. Moreover, adreneline can make one less sensitive to pain.

  23. However, sometimes a sudden injury is only perceived as an impact at first and only later as pain

    When Reagan was shot by Hinckley, he didn’t realize at first he was actually shot — he thought the Secret Service agent who tackled him into the limo had cracked his rib.

  24. They have a line from the upper arm wound to the pectoral, I think. By exit I meant that it both entered and exited from the same area and then entered the pectoral. Likely the arm was in front of the pectoral and the arm wound is a deep graze which then hits the pectoral.

  25. Thanks geoffb. I couldn’t see that line (still can’t see it very well, but with a magnifier get a sense of it).

    So that upper arm wound is both entry and exit then, I take it? And they have the pectoral wound associated with it. So that’s “two” entry wounds associated with a single projectile.

    The thesis that there were “6” shots into Brown seems to be getting less tenable by the minute.

  26. I do see 6. The 4 on the arm I now see all as grazes one of which then hits the pectoral. One at the top of the head and one at the eye which travels out the jaw and back into the neck.

  27. I’m attempting to differentiate between shots as wounds and shots as bullets. Wounds, sure, there are 6. But bullets necessary to “cause” those six wounds? Not so necessarily 6.

  28. Whatever the truth, that officer really knows how to shoot straight. There are so many spray and pray incidents.

  29. I see what you are getting at sdferr. The lower three on the arm could be from on shot.

  30. One not “on.”

  31. Too, I don’t mean to entirely preclude the possibility that 6 bullets actually did cause the “six”, since even with the upper arm wound and the chest wound linked as one, there remain 5 others which could have potentially been caused by “unique” projectiles each, so totaling 6 again. But it doesn’t have to be so.

  32. I’d like to know what is to be gained by autopsying the body three times (other than to get the “correct” results of course.) The morgue autopsy should be the only one taken into consideration as the deceased had yet to be embalmed. Baden examined the body after it had been prepared for burial at the funeral home. In other words, washed and embalmed. Hardly a best scenario for a forensic autopsy.

    What is clear from the sketch above and Baden’s statement, is that the subject was struck from the front. This throws all the “he was on his knees with his hands up when the cop shot him in the back” stories out the window.

    Tangentially, in every one of these shootings there is a bystander who is filming it with his phone. The complete lack of video (excepting the one I Callahan references) is damning to me.

  33. The Democrat’s narrative plays on.

  34. Baden happens to be talking to Hannity on radio now. There are elements of the science which appear and disappear all while he speaks. Baden speaks of the lack of gunpowder stippling residue on the body or clothes as indicative of a lower limit to the distance from the gun muzzle to the gun-shot victim, but his account is utterly indefinite beyond that — he says, could be five feet, could be thirty feet — Baden can’t know.

    But of course the science as such doesn’t stop there, since the event had each man in a particular place in space and time. So the handgun may have been a semi-automatic, rather than a revolver, in which case there will be brass falling to the ground proximate to the firing. So also the body falls to the ground and does not move thereafter, and so the distance can be determined with better precision if this is what remains to be shown. But Baden’s science doesn’t venture there. And yet does it not suggest something which may be used rhetorically to one effect or another in the meantime? As such, I’d suggest, this ‘science’ isn’t good for very much.

  35. sdferr,

    The autopsy does make two distinct points conclusively:

    1. The guy was not shot in the back.
    2. The narrative being sold by the hucksters and mainstream media is incorrect, and provably so.

  36. Charles Johnson reports:

    “Darren Wilson turned me into a NEWT!”
    — another witness

  37. Baden’s autopsy did not find any residue on the body that would indicate shots from a close distance

    Examiner didn’t have the clothes, though.

    I’d like to know what is to be gained by autopsying the body three times

    Reasonable doubt.

  38. Reasonable doubt

    Yes, I addressed that non-starter.

    Baden isn’t going to get access to the clothing unless he’s somehow able to insert himself into the chain of custody. Not happening.

    TaiChiWawa, thanks for providing us with further proof that Johnson is insane.

  39. – You crackers jess don wan us bruthers tah catch a break and a few TV’s n’ stuff.

  40. (any wonder that only 20% of people rank lawyers as highly honest and ethical?)

    Yes, as a matter of fact it is a wonder to me that 20% of people rank lawyers as highly honest and ethical.

  41. Whatever the truth, that officer really knows how to shoot straight. There are so many spray and pray incidents.

    IF it’s true that there was a struggle for the officer’s weapon inside the officer’s vehicle in which the officers weapon discharged inside that vehicle, then I’d say Darren Wilson shot pretty damn straight under real world conditions very very few of us ever experience.

    And anyways, Darren Wilson’s sin here isn’t lack of proficiency with his sidearm. It’s his demonstrated unwillingness to risk grave bodily injury in order to prove his political correct attitude towards disadvantaged minorities of color who, because of their height and weight, are “thug challenged.”

    So now society has to prove it’s politically correct bonafides by publically crucifying him.

    Much better for society that Michael Brown were under arrest for murdering a police officer, then we could all grieve for the fallen.

    Even mother Brown.

  42. It occurs to me now that I may have read into bgbear’s comment a tone of sarcasm that wasn’t present. If that’s the case, I regret the error. In any event, however, his comment served as an occassion for my cynical remark about the social significance of the Brown shooting.

  43. I’m curious to see the results of the interior of the cruiser. I figure the crime lab is going over it to make sure there isn’t any ejected brass in the interior or gunshot residue. I think the “witness” statement is pure bovine scat, but since it’s part of the record, the interior of the car is considered a part of the crime scene.

    I look forward to the bitchin’ CGI rendition of the event.

  44. Does that come before or after the Federal civil rights trial.

    The bitch’in CGI, I mean?

  45. > I think the “witness” statement is pure bovine scat<

    i've moved into "bra america" territory

  46. The bitchin’ CGI will be in one of the Investigation: ID episodes next year where they do reenactments of crimes with computer modeling. Slo-mo and everything.

  47. Speaking of Federal Civil trials, can anyone else remember the AG getting involved in a local investigation like this?

  48. “Why did you have to summons him from his primordial ooze lair, IC???”

    Because artisenal jicama chutney founder tacos Mr. B. Also failmericaslut.

  49. Say remember when bullying, like knocking a store owner around and lifting stuff, was real bad?

    Now bullies get martyred when the target fights back and the target’s defenders get bullied and threatened and lied about.

  50. A little bit better writeup of the account from the officer’s friend “Josie” as told on the Dana Loesch radio show.

    She says the boys were walking in the street. [Wilson] rolled the window down and told them to get out of the street. He may have called for backup when he pulled over. He heard the call for the strong-arm robbery and saw the teens carrying something that might have been cigars. He pulled over and when he tried to get out of the car twice he was pushed back into the car by Michael.

    Michael then punched him in the face and Darren reached for his gun. Michael grabbed the gun, and at one point, had the gun pushed against Darren’s hip so Darren pushed the gun away and the gun went off. Michael and his friend ran and Darren got out of the car and pursued, as is protocol.

    He told them to freeze and Michael and his friend turned around. Michael started to taunt him and said he wouldn’t shoot him and said he wouldn’t shoot him, meaning he wouldn’t shoot Michael. Michael then bum rushed him and started coming at him full-speed, so Darren started shooting. She said that Darren really thinks he was on something. He said the final shot was in the forehead and he fell two or three feet in front of the officer.