August 15, 2014

Michael Brown, strong-arm robbery suspect [Darleen Click]

There are still two, distinct stories about how the actual shooting of Michael Brown by Officer Darren Wilson occurred. The police maintain it was after Brown struggled with Wilson for the officer’s gun. The other story is that Brown was shot while his hands were up and he was surrendering.

There is no overlap between these stories, so while I have followed the events, I have refrained from commenting because there are just no facts to lead to supporting one story over the other.

However, one part of the narrative of the Brown story, that he was just another black child executed because of the color of his skin, has been proven false

Police named the officer involved in the shooting of Ferguson, Missouri, teenager Michael Brown on Friday, then released documents containing a bombshell: The 18-year-old was the “primary suspect” in the robbery of a convenience store moments before he was killed. [...]

According to the documents, Brown roughly handled [[that's called "assault" ... ed.]] a clerk trying to stop him before walking out of the store with a box of Swisher Sweets cigars.

The unidentified police officer who wrote the incident report on the robbery said he identified Brown by comparing surveillance images of the incident to the body of the slain teen.

CNN, in a bid to retain their leftwing creds, goes on to quote anonymous “Ferguson residents” who cry foul and police conspiracy. But the pictures from the surveillance video are pretty clear.

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And here is a picture widely used in media and identified as Michael Brown.

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Even the attorney for Brown’s friend, Dorian Johnson, confirms the robbery.

So we now have one clear fact. There was probable cause for police to stop, question and arrest Brown.

Whether the subsequent shooting was justified is still an open question. And certainly, the use of militarized police in Ferguson is worthy of debate.

The looting, assault, Molotov cocktails and shooting at police and helicopters was criminally wrong and should be prosecuted vigorously.

Posted by Darleen @ 11:16am
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  1. the piggy piggy St. Louis copsluts should keep on keeping on with the practice of gunning down unarmed teens

    if it ain’t broke why fix it i say

  2. so HF what facts do you have that support the Brown narrative that he was shot for “no reason”?

    Facts, not feelings.

  3. I suppose I will state the obvious: the modern media drives these stories before all the facts are in. Those with an agenda dive in and before you know it things get out of hand. Alas, no one winds up paying any price for fomenting this sort of unrest.

    That said, I am bothered by the increasing militarization of police in this country. Where I come from, sheriffs used to enforce the laws by using the force of their authority and personality and not with arms. Even as late as 25 years ago, I could name 3 county sheriffs who went on patrol but never carried so much as a side arm. The would call felons for whom warrants had been issued–or their relatives–and say, “I’m coming to pick up so-and-so.” And you know what? So-and-so was waiting to be transported to the county jail.

    We’ve lost something. We’ve lost the feeling that law enforcement is “us.”

  4. Had Brown just paid for the Swisher Sweets, he’d be alive and smoking blunts today. Brown acted stupidly and he daid.

    It’s fucking depressing how predictable these stories always turn out to be.

  5. I suppose I will state the obvious: the modern media drives these stories before all the facts are in.

    Exactly. I’m keeping shtum until after the facts come out, if they come out, following due process. As well as firearms being used by protestors (or ‘protestors’), etc. Too much crap flying around the airwaves, not a good enough sieve to catch anything like the truth.

  6. That said, I am bothered by the increasing militarization of police in this country

    I totally agree and the fact that when the presence of the cops went from wanna-be soldier to low profile cops who engaged with the crowds after Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson was put in charge and the whole tone of the protests changed supports of the argument of demilitarizing the police.

  7. the facts i have is that piggy piggy american coptrash does not serve the benefit of the doubt

    unarmed teens do

  8. Of all the people to take the lead against militarization of police: Hank Johnson. Maybe he’s worried all those tanks will capsize Missouri.

    Still, good on him.

  9. McGehee, one of the sheriffs I mentioned above faced down a riot at a local watering hole, by himself and without weapons. When he retired, his successor, who campaigned on “modernizing” law enforcement in our county, went full bore “special forces.” In our county’s history, there have been two deaths of deputies in the line of duty and one sheriff who was killed in car accident. Yet now, our Sheriff’s Department is the functional equivalent of two reinforced mechanized infantry companies. I don’t like it.

  10. Exactly. I’m keeping shtum until after the facts come out, if they come out, following due process. As well as firearms being used by protestors (or ‘protestors’), etc. Too much crap flying around the airwaves, not a good enough sieve to catch anything like the truth.

    Years ago, I used to advocate – tongue in cheek – in favor of a “Brady Bill” for the news media, mandating a 5-day waiting period for news stories in order to complete the proper background checks before publishing.

    These days, I’m starting to think it might actually not be a bad idea…

  11. Swisher Sweets have gotten to be ridiculously expensive btw

    that’s what mi amigos around here tell me

  12. I find it interesting that the one place looted and then burned down was the same place that was robbed, and that this is not a thing that is shouted out but buried in the story.

  13. griefer

    fuck off

  14. So the locals may have looked at the store operators as tattle-tales involved as indirect causes of the death of their thieving pal Mike, thus in the minds of the looter-locals, “deserving” of the subsequent treatment meted out. Or is that not the way such business is conducted?

  15. So, if the Semi-Retired President of the United States had a son. . .

  16. That is my thought too sdferr.

  17. So this unarmed “youth” is a pretty big man. He towers over the clerk in those pictures.

  18. the facts i have is that piggy piggy american coptrash does not serve the benefit of the doubt

    I assume you mean “deserve”. If so, I’m saying stuff it sideways with a red hot poker. The minute we let tinpot dictator types like you in leadership, then it’ll be a short time until someone is guilty until proven innocent.

    You are not just part of the problem, you ARE the problem. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

  19. griefer fuck off

    Thank you Darleen. That is what I really wanted to say.

  20. Happy, you may be singing a different tune after you move to Chi. (What are you going to do with your handgun? Only outlaws have guns in Chicago.)

    Bh could tell you which neighborhoods to avoid, if he were so inclined.

  21. Shermlaw, back in the ’60s Sacramento had a sheriff who did something like that. He was defeated for re-election in 1970 by a good-ole-boy-looking guy named Duane.

    Our current sheriff where I live now has been in office since before we moved here, and the only complaints about him seem to come from crooks and those who profit off them. The department has a tactical unit but if it has military-style gear I haven’t seen it.

  22. Cigars are just like Skittles right?

  23. yes yes I meant deserve good catch

  24. If I remember right the neighborhood I’m shooting for is called logan park…. the handgun would just go boxed up with movers I guess

  25. Or square maybe

  26. You better get some ammo before you go.

  27. I usually refrain from interacting with feets because dullard, but I cannot refrain from responding to this:

    unarmed teens do

    He wasn’t a skinny 13-14 year old kid, he was a 6’4″ 300 pound guy who happened to not be the age of 20 yet. In other words, a big fucking man. Said BFM stole some cigars and strong-armed the person trying to prevent him. This in no way justifies the shooting (I don’t have enough information to make that call), but it certainly makes your comments look even stupider than usual. Because the police at least had probably cause to detain and question Brown.

    Saw one jagoff on Twitter say “I was caught shoplifting when I was 14. Should I have been executed, too?” It’s a bullshit false choice because you weren’t physically threatening a police officer lawfully trying to detain you. Again, no idea if the shooting was justified. Even if Brown assaulted the police officer, if said officer shot Brown in the back, he needs to go away for a long time. But please stop with the “murdered while black teenage” meme because it’s getting fucking old.

    And now I think I’ve used up my profanity allotment for today.

  28. What I need to do for reals is make appt with consignment auction place … I’m not taking anything I wouldn’t want stolened

  29. You can have some of mine, Physics Geek. I’m not using much of it today.

  30. Whatever

    Cops are stupid cops are thuggish cops can go fuck themselves

  31. griefer

    go troll someplace else

  32. griefer – you’re on timeout

  33. Pretending the Ferguson stuff hadn’t happened, does anyone remember the last time a Public Victim Number One (Raaaaacism Division) did turn out to be the innocent victim he or she was portrayed as?

  34. I can’t. It’s almost like a trite movie on Lifetime.

    Huggy bear* of a kid who was off to better himself is killed by vigilant/cop/thug/drive-by shooting. Riot ensues.

    HBK is revealed to have checkered past and recent infractions against the law/family/school/work. Denialists take to the airwaves.

    To be continued . . .

    *unrelated to bgbear

  35. They are never “innocent” after the stupid thug cops finish manufacturing evidence /permaggrieved

  36. We had a weird blue suicide here in San Jose yesterday. A 19 yo girl calls cops on herself and says she has an Uzi and is going to kill her whole family. The cops shot her down when she would not put down her cordless power drill that she painted black. I assume that is the results she preferred and the police obliged.

    Stealing cigars would not work for her since she was not the size of a linebacker.

  37. bgbear

    My transcriptionist was out on medical leave and I ended up transcribing the hospital interview of a guy who tried (and failed) to commit suicide by cop …

    weird …

    since he lead everyone on a car chase first, they were able to bring several reinforcements — they tazed him, shot him with beanbags to finally bring him down (a couple cops scuffed up in the take down, but they didn’t give him what he wanted)

  38. The thugs that manufacture evidence against bears are usually “wildlife biologists.”

    West side of Fairbanks has been getting raided by a smarter-than-average brown bear who gets into a garbage can here, a pet food stash there, a fastfood bag left in a car somewhere else, but never sticking around long enough in one place to be deemed a “problem bear.” Even his victims are rooting for him to finish passing through and move on into the Bush, alive and well.

  39. Some bears. Manners no better than the raccoons in our neighborhood.

  40. I wouldn’t claim them, bgbear. They’re shirttail relatives at the very least.

  41. I’m havin’ a nice savory fried porkchop sandwich in memory of Mike Brown because I can have one on account of I’m hungry, whereas he can’t because he’s dead and don’t get hungry no more. Not a damn thing to be done about it either, since Mike didn’t think on the savory fried porkchop sandwich he could be eating right now to ease his hunger.

  42. He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

    And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

    Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

    link

  43. I don’t like timeout

  44. Brown acted stupidly and he paid.

    How do you know he was stupid? Maybe his neurotransmitters were messed up and he was in a state of insanity!

    Stop judg…

    Oh.

  45. The minute we let tinpot dictator types like you in leadership, then it’ll be a short time until someone is guilty until proven innocent.

    That’s future tense you’re using.

    Perhaps you meant to post that in a 2007 thread.

  46. Mike Brown clearly lacked a rudimentary savory fried porkchop sandwich prudentia. Maybe that’s a fault, or maybe his state of deadness isn’t his concern. Either way though, a rudimentary savory fried porkchop sandwich prudence could well have saved his life for future adventures in hunger and hunger elimination.

    Don’t go without a rudimentary savory fried porkchop sandwich prudentia. Don’t let your friends or children go without a savory fried porkchop sandwich prudentia.

  47. but was Brown smiling?

  48. Can’t we all just get along?

  49. A long fried-porkchop sandwich, perhaps? ‘Cause a big fella like Big’mike has got to have a big appetite.

  50. Allowing for regional variation in savory porkchop sandwich construction, a savory porkchop sandwich prudentia wouldn’t say one way or another, reserving solely the element of future adventures in hunger discovery and satisfaction as its primary aim. Quantity or quality in savory porkchop sandwich production can then be tailored to ingredients on hand and severity of hunger as these arise.

  51. Is they fried onions on that pork chop sammich?

  52. There is currently no savory fried porkchop sandwich here to be seen. However, the savory fried porkchop sandwiches quite recently consumed had no onions to come within feet of them. They were extremely rudimentary savory fried porkchop sandwiches, containing savory pre-fried porkchop, which was salted, peppered, dragged through wheat flour, fried in grease, mounted on mustard slathered soft butter-white bread. That’s the long and short of them, may they rest in peace.

  53. SAVORY FRIED PORKCHOP SANDWICH HOARDER!

  54. Ah, but had big Mike Brown chosen to remain alive due to possession of a savory fried porkchop sandwich prudentia which in the event he lacked, and had he come alive to visit here with me, I’d have been happy to make another two, three, four or however many savory fried porkchop sandwiches he may have needed to satisfy his overlarge hunger, should he have found himself with an overlarge hunger. But alas, ’twas this very savory fried porkchop prudentia he lacked which comes now between this gift in potentia and his lack of hunger now, on account he so very daid.

  55. Them sounds like some right tasty pork chop sammichs. You’d need a bait of ‘em to feed Big Mike.

  56. Chen Wei-Yen, Taiwanese, I make to report, is being decidedly niggardly with his pitches this evening, throwing only 19 through two innings complete. Which, yay.

  57. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power over veto threat

    Icepicks.

  58. CHECK YOUR SAVORY FRIED PORKCHOP SANDWICH PRIVILEGE! YOUR OFFER TO SHARE IS RUBBING OTHER PEOPLE’S FACES IN YOUR PRIVILEGE, H8R!

  59. David Burge @iowahawkblog · 16m

    #RickPerry In most places, drunk homeless people yell at you for not giving them money; in Austin they indict you. http://youtu.be/s7y7oJ266qI

  60. In the alternative to sharing savory fried porkchop sandwich, not to mention sharing savory fried porkchop sandwich prudentia, big Mike Brown might have learned how to whip up a simple creme patisserie, en route to preparing a fruit pie with banana and blueberries. But no. He had to throw it all away.

  61. Has Texas got no impeachment procedures with which to remove this pig of a District Attorney?

  62. perry should call a special session of the legislature to have her impeached

    newrouter on August 15, 2014 at 7:32 PM

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  63. Maybe Texas is jealous because they have, what? four governors in prison.

  64. Sec. 2. TRIAL OF IMPEACHMENT OF CERTAIN OFFICERS BY SENATE. Impeachment of the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, Commissioner of the General Land Office, Comptroller and the Judges of the Supreme Court, Court of Appeals and District Court shall be tried by the Senate.

    link

  65. Sec. 8. CONVENING LEGISLATURE ON EXTRAORDINARY OCCASIONS. (a) The Governor may, on extraordinary occasions, convene the Legislature at the seat of Government, or at a different place, in case that should be in possession of the public enemy or in case of the prevalence of disease threat. His proclamation therefor shall state specifically the purpose for which the Legislature is convened.

    link

  66. they have, what?

    This “they” surely has an antecedent, but for the life of me I’m not seeing it.

  67. Ach! Illinois is supposed to be in there. Where the hell did it go?

  68. Good catch. Really good catch. I’m going to try and transcribe that.

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    sundance says:
    August 15, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    @6:28/6:29 of video

    #1 How’d he get from there to there?
    #2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
    {crosstalk}
    #2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
    {crosstalk}
    #2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus – the police had his gun drawn already on him –
    #1. Oh, the police got his gun
    #2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
    {crosstalk}
    #2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
    #1 The Police?
    #2 The Police shot him
    #1 Police?
    #2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

    link

  69. To Sheol? Hades?

    In the meantime, is it not a wonder that the Texas bar or some Texas association of Judges is not howling at the manifest abuse of the law here, expelling this pig-thing-DA from their ranks? Really, what’s keeping them?

  70. Maybe the bar association is out fishing? I don’t see this action going anywhere except into the round file.

  71. The birds are doing better? You aren’t sliding into the bottom of the screen anymore.

  72. Head points down = headed down. Head points up = headed up. Perched atop, all’s well. Swing below, oh no.

  73. I knew there was a code.

    Meanwhile, here is video of the drunken Texas DA in restraints.

  74. First this happened.

    The Ferguson police chief said Friday afternoon that the initial contact between an officer and Michael Brown, which ended with Brown shot dead, was not connected to a robbery that had occurred shortly before Brown was killed.

    “The initial contact between the officer and Mr. Brown was not related to the robbery,” Thomas Jackson, the police chief, said during a news conference Friday afternoon.

    Rather, it stemmed from the fact that Brown and his friend were “walking down the street blocking traffic,” Jackson said.

    Then what nr quoted above at 4:23 pm.

    “He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

    And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

    Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

  75. I believe the correct new term is “differentlyabodedrushing.”

  76. > And, so he really thinks he was on something.”<

    well roughing up a small dude 15 minutes ago will do dat.

  77. >justice for michael<

    .45

  78. That cop must have really hated he darkies, what with the trying to pull a 6′ 4″ 300 lbs. youth through the window of his squad car, and all.

  79. It seems that many in the media and so called civic and community ‘leaders’ are doing everything they can to egg on a race war against whites.
    I’ve personally heard some people advance the opinion that “the white man’s time is over”. Thomas Sowell wrote an article not long ago, specifically addressing the black community, of how foolish a black vs. white war would be, and how it would end badly for them.
    The perceived weakness of white people- along with many whites silently allowing, if not openly agreeing with this narrative- and the perception driven by the media and others, is dangerous, and could very well be the flashpoint to bring about such an event.
    I would say to such people, be careful what you wish for. Shortly after it’s start, you will dearly wish the thought had never crossed your minds.

  80. Ernst, the “then the cop reached out the window and grabbed MB around the neck (with one hand) and started choking him” made me throw shade on the whole story. Unless the cop was built like Shaq, he’s not going to be able to reach up and grab the throat of a guy who is 6’4″ and drag him to him.

  81. “I was caught shoplifting when I was 14. Should I have been executed, too?” – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=54774#comments

    Yes, if you were shoplifting in MY store. That would sort of help keep shoplifting from, you know, happening in the first place.

    The problem arises when I accidentally shoot someone who may not actually be shoplifting…which is, IMO, the only reason why a person is not legally permitted to use lethal force to protect their own property in such an instance.

  82. “Yes, if you were shoplifting in MY store”

    No, you can’t shoot someone for shoplifting, sorry.

  83. No, you can’t shoot someone for shoplifting, sorry.

    Very good.

    How about putting through an industrial wood-chipper, then?

  84. I might go along with tattooing “dumbass” in two inch letters across their forehead.

  85. Yes, indeed. I was thinking next to ask whether we might tie a colorful bit of wool string around one of their ring-fingers in order to help them remember not to take other people’s stuff, but hesitate since this could be portrayed as a step too far.

  86. How about putting through an industrial wood-chipper, then?

    - That is acceptable as long as the chipper has the neccessary city building/construction/landscaping permits.

    - Following live coverage from Ferguson, you can see there are many many agenda’s being served. each party putting their own favorable spin on things.

    - Maybe dah brutha’s wouldn’t get all up if prez step-on-his-dick would just come through wit do’s 60 inch TV’s.

  87. >August 16, 2014

    SO THE KNOXVILLE NEWS-SENTINEL TWEETED THAT THIS STORY FROM 2013 was trending on their site today, but didn’t say why.
    <

    link

  88. It was not shoplifting especially after he grabbed the clerk and threw him into the display and threatened him. That is strongarm robbery.

  89. baracky’s america

    >after he grabbed the clerk and threw him into the display and threatened him. <

    hi louis lerner et al

  90. sundance says:
    August 16, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Well said. However, you don’t give them enough credit. The self fulfilling prophecy is intentional, it’s part of the strategy.

    They ramp it up so much such that a conviction “despite the truth” is the only pressure relief valve. This is the goal. This ain’t their first rodeo.

    THAT is the part most people don’t understand. The ratcheting up of animosity, hatred, and pressure – such that there’s no way to allow the action to be justified – is 100% planned and strategic. That’s the evil part.

    link

  91. “Ernst, the “then the cop reached out the window and grabbed MB around the neck (with one hand) and started choking him” made me throw shade on the whole story. Unless the cop was built like Shaq, he’s not going to be able to reach up and grab the throat of a guy who is 6’4? and drag him to him.”

    Exactly.. Words right out of my mouth.. That’s the problem with joining the conversation 2 days late.. Everything good has already been said.

  92. I can never tell if Happyfeet is being serious or being ironic or being contrarian.. or even being sane.. Regardless of how entertaining, there’s like no baseline to compare to.

  93. Anyone linked – read this Mark Steyn column?

    http://www.steynonline.com/6524/cigars-but-not-close

    Hate it that the fight against police overzealousness and their all of a sudden becoming our own 21st Century “Standing Army” is needing a boost from the ghost of Michael Brown, a mildly unsavory character who perhaps didn’t deserve to die in the middle of a street in Nowheresville, but that’s what’s happening.

    The issue of unsavory police and their newly-found war toys needed nationwide exposure.

    Cigars. At least it wasn’t Skittles again..

  94. Ourosboros, if you keep reading that account of the cop’s actions versus MB, the cop would have had to have three arms. He’s choking and punching MB and holding a gun on him.

    Alrighty then.

  95. Steyn isn’t saying anything we haven’t been saying for years. He just has a higher profile, serr8d.

  96. Encouraging taht higher profiles are noticing. Even Limbaugh touched on police militarisation, Friday I think.. Catching fire and a big push to curb this standing army is what needs happen all across this failing Republic.

    We should embrace concept Ferguson, steer conversation not to the minor failings of Brown but to the bigger picture. This kid should not have died in vain.

  97. In case anyone is interested plug this into Google Earth and it will take you to the location of the shooting.

    38°44’18.04″ N 90°16’25.24″ W

    This is the location of the market that was robbed.

    38°44’06.54″ N 90°16’42.90″ W

  98. A private autopsy report, ordered by lawyer Crump shows all shots entered Mr. Brown from the front.

  99. Holder wants to keep performing autopsies until they get the right results.

  100. Kind of like Grand Juries in certain counties in Texas, eh McGe?

  101. Yep. “Shot at least 6 times, twice in the head.” Deserved every one of them, too!

    Why, those bullets should’ve exited, noted that box of stolen seegars, turned right around and punched through him again!

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-17/ferguson-riots-again-police-looters-exchange-teargas-rubber-bullets-molotov-cocktail

  102. Let me speak clearly on behalf of all human beings with some dignity left: fuck da police.

  103. Local pols everywhere pioneered the technique, Bob — holding special elections for bloated bond issues until the aginners got tired of fighting and let them have their way. It was only a matter of time before it spilled over into more direct forms of tyranny.

  104. I blame Andrew Jackson and the Goddamnirish Catholics, McGehee.

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