Regardless of whether one considers “transgender” as just another point on human identity spectrum, or a psychological condition best dealt with by mental therapy, the politics of this fundamentally dishonest ad is blatant:
No one is denying the “gender non-conforming” basic care. I know of no cases where a person has broken a leg, is diabetic and needs insulin, suffers from asthma or needs a flu shot and is refused those services due to their transgender status.
The people in the video (including Stephanie, the daughter of Warren Beatty & Annette Bening, identified as “Stephen, Writer”) cannot bring themselves to explicitly state what it is they are demanding taxpayers fund: Drugs and surgical procedures to cosmetically change their bodies to conform to their mental perceptions. It has nothing to do with “basic” or even “necessary” care to survive*.
They are not looking for honest discussions. The video, with its Orwellian use of language, is just a giant “Shut Up and pay up, you H8tr” screed, no matter the soft tones and up-beat music.
*holding a gun to one’s head and stating “Give me a sex-change operation or I’ll pull the trigger” is blackmail, not necessary care.
holding a gun to one’s head and stating “Give me a sex-change operation or I’ll pull the trigger” is blackmail
Amen, Sista… Whenever I run into the “give me what I want or I’ll harm myself/hold my breath/lay here and kick”, I offer to help. That tends to put a stop to the histrionics. Even three-year-olds are capable of learning that lesson.
Which says a lot about this group of “IF I SCREAM LOUDLY ENOUGH MAYBE DADDY WILL NOTICE ME” tantrum-throwers.
How can any of us truly be said to be free if a woman who identifies as a man can’t have an addadicktome at the same time (s)he undergoes fertility treatment to accomplish his lifelong amibition of becoming a father to a litter of kittens
who think they’re dogs?
Surely the Family Beatty can afford to get Ms. Stephanie into some serious therapy about her mental illness.
The vast majority 90%+ of the trans-gendered community is ultra-liberal and their demands are no different, their goals no less, than that of any other ultra-liberal: I want, you give, period.
Because of family connections, I am aware of the ‘community’. Prior to 1995, upwards of 80% of ‘trannies’ died of direct suicide, drug or alcohol abuse or AIDS. IMO, and the opinion of therapists in the field back then, the vast majority are emotionally and psychologically compromised. My limited contact over the last 10-15 years has not changed my opinion. BTW, the lesbian community in general HATES trans-gendered.
Hey, Tracy. Yes, that’s absolutely true. The APA (the psychologist wing, not the psychiatrist) does them no favors by encouraging their pathology.
What they are looking for is an insurance framework that acknowledges the decisions they are making with their medical providers – and being that trans people aren’t represented politically they have to resort to outreach and public education. Differentiating between hormones being prescribed to trans people and hormones being prescribed to menopausal cis women only shows how out of touch with contemporary reality health insurance providers, and you, truly are.
And it isn’t blackmail you old bigot; trans people especially trans children who don’t have access to hormone blockers to postpone puberty and facilitate easy transition are often at a higher risk for substance abuse, suicide, and violence. Not treating them medically is just another form of trauma and abuse they are subjected to in America. The fact that you view this as a discussion or a debate is absurd and adds another item to the list of scientific realities you just don’t believe in because of what, Jesus?
Once again you advocate for systems that have worked historically to harm and disenfranchise entire populations.
It’s probably generational…so just a matter of time I suppose.
There you go again, dalek, you ignorant liberal, hollering “bigotry” in order to shut down discussion.
disenfranchise entire populations of psychos
Sorry, dalek. “Trans children”? Get real.
There is a reason that all states have a legal age of consent. Minors aren’t sufficiently mature to know their own minds. Allowing them access to hormone blockers and/or surgeries before they have even completed puberty is barbaric and the very definition of child abuse. If your kid was convinced he could fly, would you throw him out of a second story window? I don’t think you would.
Access to mutilation of the genitals is criminal and is illegal. Why is it okay if some unethical doctors are willing to take dollars for it? And public dollars? Forget it. A person who would under-go sexual re-assignment surger(ies)y, was previously made to participate in lengthy and intense psycho-therapy and not to just “decide” without clinical observation and intervention.
Two questions
1. Should society be obligated to pay for the surgery, hormone treatments, etc.. necessary to transform dalekhunter’s physical image to match his mental and psychological state?
2. How much do Horse’s Ass Re-assignment procedures cost?
No one is allowing trans identifying kids to do any of the above. They are working with parents and doctors to find treatment plans that are effective and safe. Sometimes allowing for gradual transitions that can culminate in gender reassignment surgeries at age 18.
Using words like psychosis and likening the transgendered experience to a child believing they can fly just proves that no one here is attempting to have a serious conversation about transgender medical care. You were just looking to bash, and fight against a world you no longer recognize or understand.
trans people aren’t represented politically
Bullshit. The entire county of San Francisco is dominated by them, just to name a single example. And I would love to see someone (such as you, even though I know how you hate facts) respond to Darleen’s basic point: “No one is denying the “gender non-conforming” basic care.”
Nice of you to try and turn health care political, though, wherein only those in favored political classes get proper treatment, such as it is.
trans people especially trans children who don’t have access to hormone blockers to postpone puberty and facilitate easy transition are often at a higher risk for substance abuse, suicide, and violence.
And you say this isn’t blackmail? I suggest you look the word up, you fucking moron.
Second point: And this is somehow society’s problem how? Exactly? “People who don’t like what they are insist that society pay for their treatments”? If I don’t like the length of my hair, should society pay for my haircut? What if I insist that longer hair will cause me to drink more and beat up random idiots who insist that health care is a “right”?
Once again you advocate for systems that have worked historically to harm and disenfranchise entire populations.
As opposed to the morons like you who are advocating the theft of property from everyone who disagrees with your particular political solution? “Pay up, H8RXTIANIST!”
Fuck that. And you. And them.
They are working with parents and doctors to find treatment plans that are effective and safe. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51982#comment-1034668
And yet you insist that taxpayers start to foot the bill?
Why don’t you pay for them out of YOUR pocket? Why are you insisting that the government steal on your behalf?
If all private and public health providers aren’t covering hormone therapy for trans people then they aren’t providing basic care. Transgendered people by definition are maintaining a gender not assigned by birth and thus must receive medical care if they are to survive.
Regardless of all this, the ACA’s nondiscrimination protections mean that a transgender person who is covered under a plan purchased through any state exchange, or any Medicaid plan, has the right to appeal any denial they receive from their insurance carrier that targets them as transgender people. So that’s basically half the country where this point is moot. The whole point of this campaign is that Americans aren’t getting life saving care because some people think they have an imaginary condition, its inequality under the law and people are pissed about it and rightly organizing.
If all private and public health providers aren’t covering hormone therapy for trans people then they aren’t providing basic care.
Yeah, her teenaged heart truly will break if Chastity isn’t allowed to steal from her neighbors to pay to become Chaz.
Your values are so distorted from reality, it’s no wonder you think this way.
The whole point of this campaign is that Americans aren’t getting optional surgical procedures and complicated medicines at taxpayer expense
life saving carebecause some people think they have an imaginary condition.FTFY, and it’s nice that you agree that these people think they have an imaginary condition.
If they want these extremely optional surgical procedures, let them pay for it out of their own pockets, just like breast enhancement surgery or rhinoplasty (people who don’t like the body parts they were assigned at birth and use surgical procedures and hormones to change things).
Using words like psychosis
dalekhunter science denier
What if “life saving care” is psychiactric counseling? (Or simply a swift kick in the butt; which works wonders for Marines in boot camp, by the way)
” ACA’s nondiscrimination protections mean that a transgender person ” will find a health care system in ruins.
Using words like psychosis
the “trans gen” are perverted
Using words like psychosis and likening the transgendered experience to a child believing they can fly just proves that no one here is attempting to have a serious conversation about transgender medical care. You were just looking to bash, and fight against a world you no longer recognize or understand.
dalek, sweetheart, I am a psychologist. I know more about this than you.
Hating one’s body so badly that one wishes to mutilate it, is indicative of a psychiatric disorder and should be treated as such. It is not a medical emergency. Hormone therapies greatly increase one’s chance of developing various cancers. Are we to pay for that treatment, as well?
Or, they could play the hand they were dealt. Gender dysphoria has never killed anyone.
DALEKHUNTER FEELS MORE THAN YOU, HATER!!!!!! YOU JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE HATE!!!
How sad to live like that.
We’re looking at a smoking crater in the economy that used to be known as “health insurance” and dalek wants to talk about the few hundred sexually confused people that may or may not be receiving elective health care.
Dalek, go drown yourself. Seriously. If you’re so blinded by your ideology that you refuse to admit that all this health care crap is merely theft sanctioned by government, then there’s no hope for you.
It does in the meany old movies though, if Jame Gumb (Buffalo Bill) is an indication.
DALEKHUNTER FEELS MORE THAN YOU, HATER!!!!!! YOU JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE HATE!!!
Heh. Yup, that’s me: Hatey McHaterson.
Say! Dalek is working on a “advanced degree” in Something Studies. The one that precludes him from having a job because, gosh darn it, it’s too darn hard to do both.
Leigh, it’s troubling that you are trusted with patients knowing that you hold such outdated and potentially harmful views.
No where in this limited DSM5 description of gender dysmorphia is there any discussion of hate or mutilation, only that there “be a marked difference between the individual’s expressed/experienced gender and the gender others would assign him or her, and it must continue for at least six months” … and that only took me a minute sweetheart.
http://goo.gl/GIu0XF
Maybe conversion therapy is being administered by psychologists now?
Oh, sdferr. Jame Gumb was just living the dream. In a girl suit, made of real girls.
“trans people especially trans children who don’t have access to hormone blockers to postpone puberty and facilitate easy transition are often at a higher risk for substance abuse, suicide, and violence.”
There is no evidence that sex reassignment improves these things. In fact there is quite a bit of evidence that it doesn’t.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
>“be a marked difference between the individual’s expressed/experienced gender and the gender others would assign him or her<
clown you get your walking papers at birth. anti darwin anti science or also known as kook
I experienced body dysmorphia because I wasn’t born with the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger and the face of Brad Pitt.
I demand free surgery. Pronto.
That’s not the DSM5 description, genius. Which is good, because a diagnosis based on this:
would be child abuse.
No where in this limited DSM5 description of gender dysmorphia is there any discussion of hate
Because people who claim to want to change their very gender are doing so out of love, right? They love themselves so much, they want to change their most basic characteristic, the one that is determined even before counting fingers and toes.
All you need is love, but whack off your penis so your sister can use it!
Loser.
Maybe conversion therapy is being administered by psychologists now?
No, no it isn’t. Psychology has made a mockery of itself in the last 40 years, it pains me to say. I blame it on poor teaching, trendy ideas and too many women in the field. Don’t forget that there are a tremendous number of gay psychologists who author most of the papers having to do with gender dysmorphia. They reject any research that runs counter to their personal pet theories. Besides,, that’s where the grant money is.
The American Psychiatric Association does not share this obsession with renorming the abnormal. They call a spade a spade and aren’t shrill like the psychologists about their beliefs and sadly, they are neglected in their wisdom. But, they’re all MDs with a specialty in psychiatry so what do they know, huh?
Oh, and by-the-by, we no longer have “patients or “clients”. They are “healthcare consumers”.
If all private and public health providers aren’t covering hormone therapy for trans people then they aren’t providing basic care.
Orwell’s Newspeak
Transgendered people by definition are maintaining a gender not assigned by birth and thus must receive medical care if they are to survive.
To be kind…JUNK science. e.g. even the fully “sexually reassigned” commit suicide at high rates because altering one’s physical appearance has not solved the basic psychological problems they have.
Lordy, you sure hate people, dk
“dalekhunter science denier”
Yeah history is supposed to eventually kick nature’s ass dontcha’ know.
the gender others would assign him or her
DaleK,
The Commander of the Universe will be giving you some feedback on that soon.
My advice: better keep an open mind.
Dale,
Why no words of wisdom in the Obamadisastacare thread?
Not inspired by Captain Obama’s repeated stabs at the iceberg?
Danger, I got as much out of the whole endeavor as I was hoping to, I singed up without incident. Aside from that there isn’t much more to say about it from me. I’ll never live in a state that doesn’t have an exchange, and I don’t expect to be catapulted into the 1% anytime soon – I have minimal healthcare now, by the time I’m old I’ll be able to afford better so its fine by me.
I have minimal healthcare now
Including, presumably, hormone therapy for your planned reassignment surgery. If you’re not paying for that kind of protection, then you are just cheating your fellow citizen.
“singed up without incident.”
Get back to us when finding a doctor who will take your “health care” is also “without incident”.
That’s when the fun will really begin. O-Zero and his cult members will be nostalgic for the days when the website didn’t work.
Not to mention a hypocrite, but let’s not pick nits.
When a clueless person who fancies themselves enlightened by virtue of being “the right dort of person” have their self assigned expertise threatened they will tend to repeat their articles of faith very loudly as if doing so will solidify them. It’s akin to chanting.
but let’s not pick nits.
Why not? Dalek and the like love to seize (or singe) on phony outrage. I say we pick their nit-wits.
“I singed up without incident”
For what, Medicaid? As I (and others) have noted, good luck finding a Dr. that accepts new Medicaid patients.
My wife works for a Dr. that won’t accept any and I’m told that’s fairly common. Doctors can’t afford to treat patients for what the Gov’t reimburses them.
“I singed up without incident”
Thats what passes as word of wisdom from DaleK! More people are uninsured today than before Obamacare took effect
This condition will only worsen when the employee mandate exemption expires.
People are being hurt by the millions and you are crying crocodile tears over a few hundred gender confused individuals.
You are a PUTZ!
Will this society continue to ignore those with Body Integrity Disorder?
Will the new health care law provide for the limb amputations the Body Integrity Disorder community needs? This is a matter of basic healthcare and basic social justice. If a person feels very strongly that he wants a certain limb amputated, that he wasn’t meant to have that limb, and that his body integrity is compromised by continuing to be burdened by the appendage, then it’s a matter of basic medical care that the limb needs to be amputated. A person’s identity is sacred. It’s no one’s business to make judgments about it. It is society’s business to pay for the procedure.
For my own part, I wish to have my lower half severed, cut off right at the abdomen. I understand that I would die quickly after the procedure, but this is what I choose. It’s who I am. It’s my identity. I am only the top half. The lower half is like this thing. I want it off. There are no judgments about what is good except those that flow from my identity. The haters won’t pay for the procedure.
I’m raising all my kids to be trans.
He singed up without incident?
We should therefore be charitable toward him and not trouble him with a burned of proof. Although I do think it’s all smoke and mirrors, I ashure you.
“We should therefore be charitable toward him”
To the contrary, we should penalize him by making him start over and complete the process again. Kind of like the penalty the genetic lottery winners have to pay.
Jim, you think you have it bad, I’m a black man trapped in a pasty white body.
Y’all need to pony up quick, I needs some kink in my hair, and I needs it NOW!
my feces says it is barack obama. fed gov’t help it.
Dalek blathered:
Once again you advocate for systems that have worked historically to harm and disenfranchise entire populations.
It’s probably generational…so just a matter of time I suppose.
Until all the icky people you hate are… exterminated?
Thanks, Slarti.
I’m sure dalek is off thinking of a sharp retort. He’ll get back to us . . . someday.
Dalek projected with:
You were just looking to bash, and fight against a world you no longer recognize or understand.
For your Saturday Night Enjoyment, a nice pair of tits.
You’re welcome.
Also for a Sat. night enjoyment, a widening now -12.9 spread. It’s interesting that Rasmussen is the outlier (but Rasmussen left Rasmussen, so is there some connection there?).
Not paying for someone’s sex reassignment surgery is ” harm and disenfranchise entire populations” in only in clueless asshole land.
nice tits di
I self identify as Cimmerian and therefore must demand that Austin Texas where I make my home immediately be plunged into an eternal melancholy cold mist that obscures the sun in daylight so that I might feel at home. No I’m not a historical Cimmerian that lived in what is now Turkey and were probably wiped out warring with Scythians. I am a fictional Cimmerian why the author of said fiction probably had confused with the cymru welsh. And I don’t want to hear any racist shit against living fictional. You let the Jedi and Time Lords do it and I’m no different by Crom.
Also I need to arrange for some attractive nude Zingaran water elf women to come by and skytouch my ka if that’a not too much trouble.
“Once again you advocate for systems that have worked historically to harm and disenfranchise entire populations.”
Like Collectivism?
Isn’t letting a nude Zingaran water elf woman skytouch your ka more dangerous than feeding a mogwai after midnight?
I’m not sure, but I do someone else should pay for it in this remarkable new world that totally won’t fall apart like all the previous new worlds did.
Just don’t go warming yourself by her fire, if you know what I mean.
Here At The Western World
The incidence of dysphoria is amazingly small, well below the numbers of the self-proclaimed that often latch onto an ‘explanation’ for their state. Therapy, required but refused by many, helps to clear away the wannabes from the few actual. I watched a family member struggle, survive AND thrive. She participated in a serious and well established and respected program and spent years in therapy but was given a green light from a program that ‘cleared’ less than 10% of participants.
NO ONE dies from lack of hormone therapy. They might kill themselves – but as far as I am concerned, that is just evidence of the compromised nature of the person. NO ONE dies from lack of surgery, though some are murdered when found out.
I agree the medical profession does itself nor it’s patients any good by ignoring obvious issues. As to the children. I am of two minds about it. Could my family member have been ‘saved’ years of issues? Maybe. I don’t think so. I think she became stronger. She by the way OPPOSES hormones to children – STRONGLY. I’m willing to defer to her experience.
Like so many situations, the wannabes make it much harder for the actuals to get the recognition and help. To the few here that dismiss the issue, I’d suggest some ignorance of the issue and willingness to take the liberals attempts at societal corruption as evidence of the falseness of the issue. Gender dsyphoria is real, rare, and just another example of how complex our physical, emotional, psychological makeups are and how things can go wrong in so many ways.
What is being dismissed the reframing of the issue into complete looter bullshit.
palaeomerus, the Liberal will use any excuse to create a victim necessary as their cannon fodder. The video above is just another attempt to shove victims into the maw of their societal war. I don’t give the fodder a pass – willing idiots are still WILLING. Like much of the Left, attempts to blame others, to not take personal responsibility is just par for the course. I have been accused by the gender brigades of being hateful for not being unabashedly supportive. I get called racist too. It doesn’t matter. I’d oppose 99.9% of their demands out of hand. But I seem to get in trouble for acknowledging .1% have a point.
Take Person A and Person B. A is a man trapped in a woman’s body. B is insane, and the form his insanity takes is that he is convinced that he’s a man trapped in a woman’s body. You are allowed to study A and B for as long as you like, but you aren’t told which is which. How do you tell which one is which? What would count as evidence that a certain one was A? Nothing. Nothing would count as evidence that a person was not B but A. So, “transgendered” is a term for which no one has any idea what would count as evidence that it was correctly applied. Therefore, “transgendered” is a term with no meaning. This should not be surprising, given that “a man trapped in a woman’s body” is incoherent.
The leftist elite doesn’t champion “transgendered” in order to have a victim class; the class is too small to matter. They do it because it helps destroy our language and concepts important to our culture, such as male, female, man, and woman. This destruction will help them get more power. It’s their useful idiots who champion “transgendered” out of sympathy for a victim class.
Interesting scenario Jim, wrong, but interesting.
Take Person A and Person B. A says that God talks to him. B is insane and the form of his insanity is that he hears someone talking to him no one else can hear. You can study both but …well….
What evidence would count to support A and not B? therapy might clarify which is real and which is insane, of course you could watch what each does in real life and see which functions best and is consistent with actions and claims. Something that is part of the ‘process’ for ‘transgendered’ seeking change.
“The children transformed from their male constitution into female roles suffered prolonged distress and misery as they sensed their natural attitudes. Their parents usually lived with guilt over their decisions—second-guessing themselves and somewhat ashamed of the fabrication, both surgical and social, they had imposed on their sons. As for the adults who came to us claiming to have discovered their “true” sexual identity and to have heard about sex-change operations, we psychiatrists have been distracted from studying the causes and natures of their mental misdirections by preparing them for surgery and for a life in the other sex. We have wasted scientific and technical resources and damaged our professional credibility by collaborating with madness rather than trying to study, cure, and ultimately prevent it.”
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/02/surgical-sex–35
Trans advocates are science deniers for the most part.
That being said, we have a customer that evidently had an addadicktome some time ago and actually seems quite normal and happy. sHe seems just like a dude, to the point that sHe reminded me of one of my male friends from some time ago. One of the other guys in the shop had to point it out to me for me to really notice. sHe brings in a girlfriend every so often.
I disagree. Talk to B long enough and you’ll uncover the rest of his/her crazy. With B, the tranny tendencies are a manifestation, not the underlying disease. So, you’d want a good shrink; one that is more interested in helping the patient than in purifying society.
How do you make a penis?
Send him/her to Harvard Kennedy School.
Damn lesbian seagull ate my mama!
Bitch!
Tracy, that’s a good point, but there is something that would count as evidence that A was hearing God. Suppose A said, “God will appear tomorrow and part the sea. He’s telling me so now.” And then tomorrow an enormous spectacle of a deity appears and the sea is parted. I can think of more subtler kinds of evidence, too.
[…] protein wisdom has language highjacking for O-care […]
Let’s put this another way, Dale.
Health insurance is for keeping you alive. For what you need. If you want to pay more to insure a procedure that you prefer, then do it on your own dime.
It’s the reason blood pressure medicine is relatively cheap, but medicine to get your dick hard is more expensive.
Transgender, dick hard=what is preferred
High blood pressure, cholesterol=what is necessary
Mueller, did you know that Viagra was originally developed as a heart trouble remedy? It didn’t work for its intended purpose, but had the serendipitous effect of aiding erectile dysfunction.
Science!
And thank god!
Yeah, the “How come Viagra is covered?” dodge is adorbz. It isn’t unless you’ve got gold plated coverage…which is now going to cost you a hell of a lot more than the boner pills would.
If insurance was paying for this stuff all the time, why would there be so many spammers selling it?
Most insurance plans that do cover Viagra also only let you have six of them a month.
Better make the best of those six times, boys!
If these far-Left sorts are so gung-ho to support the trans-bi-gay population, then they should all donate to a specific organization they create to ‘help’ those few in that population. Those collected (gifted) monies could then provide the funding for extraneous healthcare options (radical reconstructive surgeries, not defined as basic healthcare) these political radicals demand.
Call it the ‘Stephanie-to-Steven Fund’. They could sell donuts, do fund drives, whatever. Bake sales.
It’d be like our Churches used to be: gathering monetary donation support then providing help to their own needy. Without begging Government intervention; without forcing all of us to support radical and unnecessary costs for advancing their political gamesmanship.
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Ms. Beatty really shouldn’t be in this video since she is perpetrating a fraud about her sexual identity.
I read an interview with her a few months ago and she speaks of wanting to bear children at some later date. I think she is a very confused girl and this episode was an act of teenaged rebellion that was taken to the extreme and now she can’t walk it back. Or she hasn’t figured that part out yet.
At any rate, I stand by my original remarks that she is in need (as is her family) of intensive therapy, preferably inpatient.
So if you were a pussy and then grow a set, does that make you transgendered?
serr8d, nice image. But that is how you make a dick.
Q. why does the stupid tranny think insurance is for “routine and preventative care”?
A. cause she’s stupid
serr8d says November 17, 2013 at 8:36 am
How do you make a penis?
– See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51982#comments
Raise any boy the Barrack Obama was raised
way
On the subject of words and their meanings… You guys will like this:
http://www.somedomain.com
Pull quote:
“”Detractors will argue that the word is used with all due respect. But the offensiveness of a word cannot be judged by its intended meaning, but by how it is received,” read an Oct. 27 editorial in the Playwickian, backed by 14 of 21 staff members. (An equally well-written op-ed voiced the dissenting group’s opinion.)”
tracy
Well said.
The major part of my post was not about the legitimacy of gender identification. Out of millions of human beings, and the complexity of each individual, I have little doubt there may be some very small percentage of people who sincerely struggle with who-they-are.
But this is about politics and borders on cultism. Certain there is even an element of fetishism.
I’d have no objection to this same ad, if it were done honestly and if it were asking for donations to a charitable foundation dedicated to such procedures.
I actually feel sorry for Stephanie. Many children of high-powered public persons suffer. Rebelling via drugs, alcohol, crime, etc is almost a cliche. Stephanie’s route is unique only in its manner. She has now attained a “celebrity” status with her cross-dressing and adoption of multi-gender lingo and all it costs her is whatever hormones are doing to her body.
doris lessing rip
Does political correctness have a good side? Yes, it does, for it makes us re-examine attitudes, and that is always useful. The trouble is that, with all popular movements, the lunatic fringe so quickly ceases to be a fringe; the tail begins to wag the dog. For every woman or man who is quietly and sensibly using the idea to examine our assumptions, there are 20 rabble-rousers whose real motive is desire for power over others, no less rabble-rousers because they see themselves as anti-racists or feminists or whatever.
A professor friend describes how when students kept walking out of classes on genetics and boycotting visiting lecturers whose points of view did not coincide with their ideology, he invited them to his study for discussion and for viewing a video of the actual facts. Half a dozen youngsters in their uniform of jeans and T-shirts filed in, sat down, kept silent while he reasoned with them, kept their eyes down while he ran the video and then, as one person, marched out. A demonstration — they might very well have been shocked to hear — which was a mirror of Communist behavior, an acting out, a visual representation of the closed minds of young Communist activists.
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Darleen, yep. If a foundation were started the leadership of it would be dragged over hot coals for suggesting that they had to ‘weed out the wannabes from those really in need’. The ‘community’ wants no questions asked, just a person making a claim is sufficient…gee, where have we heard that crap before?
The VAST majority of the transgendered (hell, name a ‘victim’ class) are delusional, emotionally, psychologically compromised indulged and self-indulgent children in desperate need of an adult saying NO in their lives.
I met someone that had been kicked out of a half dozen programs, that bought black market drugs, traveled overseas for surgery and was trying to raise money for reversing surgery (she eventually committed suicide). Not once would she acknowledge that EVERYONE that thought surgery was wrong for her was right. She was still claiming people were denying her necessary care – to undo what she did to herself inspite of everyone trying to prevent her from doing it.
The Left is always about avoiding responsibility – society is always to blame, no one is individually to blame for their actions/condition. This is of course just another ‘health care is a right’ claim. Just as wrong as every other such claim. My brother had muscular dystrophy. We supported MDA. We didn’t ask government to pay for his care. Like autism, there are lots of conditions in need of support, and lots of foundations formed to do so. Let the transgendered fund their own.
Well, said Tracy.
Obviously, you are a hater. (j/k, of course)
tranny heal thyself
Why is Viagra covered by (some) plans, but birth control isn’t?
Because being impotent is a disease and being fertile is not.
SBP, re birth control pills. First, rather than being over the counter (it is almost impossible to overdose on them, considerably harder than overdosing on aspirin), birth control pills are against Catholic teaching – strike one. Two, birth control of any kind ‘promotes promiscuity – strike two. Birth control requires a doctors prescription. As men were the most common doctors, women would have to ‘get permission’ from a man – strike three.
Now, most of those aspects were common 50 years ago, not so much now. Fewer Catholics opposed to birth control, fewer everyone opposed to birth control. And lots more women doctors treating women. But….medical associations, medical institutions and insurers are still run by men….hence, men care gets covered…
I hate to sound sexist here, but really, I’ve been fighting the birth control prescription issue for 30 years….and I’ve had much better luck denting the concrete wall with my head…
Why have I fought it? First time I wanted birth control was after getting married (1980) – we wanted to wait on kids. Went to my doctor and asked for prescription. His first question was: “Does your husband agree?” Second question after I said it was my choice was, “Does your husband know?” Dr said no until my husband agreed. I had to get F*KING permission…..
1980.
Birth control is one of the few (and I can’t think of any others at this time) prescription medications NOT covered by any insurance…..
Tracy, I think you misunderstood Spies point.
Birth control is a matter of choice. Impotence is not.
As for the antidote…was your husbands knowledge really a big deal? Do you believe a wife should be untroubled by getting an abortion without her husbands knowledge too? (I’m asking as a matter of ethics, not law, as I doubt your doctor was acting on a matter of law)
I agree about BC being a choice. That said, doctors (especially ob/gyn) were mostly men in 1980 and most of them were old school bossy as hell bastards.
I can’t tell you how many times I heard “It doesn’t hurt THAT much” when they were poking around on me. I always wanted to say “I’ll bet a swift kick in the nuts doesn’t hurt THAT bad, either.” But I never did.
“hence, men care gets covered…”
tits awareness month was fabulous with nfl players donning pink
>“I’ll bet a swift kick in the nuts doesn’t hurt THAT bad, either.”<
did it incapacitate you?
Once, it did. I lay curled up in the fetal position for 30 minutes.
“hence, men care gets covered”
I seem to remember my wife being covered for both her pregnancies in the early ’80’s.
Of course that is probably considered man care too, as I impregnated her…
LBascom, yep, probably a matter of perspective. A man doesn’t die of impotence, a woman can die of pregnancy. Given that impotence is NOT fixed by Viagra (only circumvented)….
Leigh….I’ve often wondered what a doctor would say to BBQ tongs up his ass…. which is by the way why I don’t think BC should be by prescription, my choices should not have to be subject to review and permission.
LBascom, the decision was joint. And it is not the same situation as an abortion. Do you think wives have to give permission for husbands to have a vasectomy? Ethics wise?
Heh, Tracy. My girlfriends and I and even my mother used to speculate on doctors being probed with an ice cold speculum up the ass.
“A man doesn’t die of impotence”
There are a lot of diseases that aren’t fatal.
Being fertile is still not a disease.
You should try a prostate exam sometime.
You guys need to remember that feeling when you want us to do hinky stuff.
>Once, it did. I lay curled up in the fetal position for 30 minutes.<
how much was play acting?
Actually I do think a vasectomy should require at least the knowledge of a wife. Ethics wise.
Also, after asserting I’m no doctor, I believe impotence can be a symptom of underlying problems that ARE fatal.
Also, also, the tongs up the ass verses in the vagina is no comparison, just going by conversations involving anal sex I’ve heard about… ;-)
>You guys need to remember that feeling when you want us to do hinky stuff.<
your self control is my problem
>I do think a vasectomy should require at least the knowledge of a wife<
informing parties involved is passe ax baracky
There are lot of doctors who do refuse to perform vasectomies on young men, or married men without the wife’s consent.
>There are lot of doctors who do refuse to perform vasectomies on young men, or married men without the wife’s consent.<
sounds like slavery
>There are lot of doctors who do refuse to perform vasectomies on young men, or married men without the wife’s consent.<
how many abortionists do the reciprocal?
You’re drinking again, nr. There’s no need to insult anyone.
>You’re drinking again, nr<
nah ask a direct question get alinsky bs rule 13
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
What did I do?
i’m effin statist:
“your self control is my problem”
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
>I don’t know what you’re talking about.<
"You’re drinking again, nr. There’s no need to insult anyone."
yea arguing with sumthing. folks can read the thread. have a goodnite.
I’m not at all interested in male permission for BC (unless I’m paying for it) but I am concerned with the notion that it ought to be OTC as it is not as simple and benign as just a choice.
The Pill, like most other meds, has considerations beyond it’s intended effect and those should be considered.
> has considerations beyond it’s intended effect and those should be considered.<
water pollution
SBP, being INfertile is not necessarily a disease either – it is called menopause. Male and female versions.
And yes, impotence CAN be a sign of other problems, but Viagra doesn’t treat them.
Yes Pablo, many meds have effects beyond their intended…including many OTC meds.
I think I got us off track…sorry.
“SBP, being INfertile is not necessarily a disease either”
Which has what to do with what, exactly? And yes, those are degenerative diseases of age.
Male contraception is not covered by health insurance either, and of course there are many nonprescription alternatives.
What you want is for others to pay for your preferred, but more expensive, method of contraception. Just because you want it, apparently.
>I think I got us off track…sorry.<
"Newspeak: hijacking the language for political ends"
page 212 power of the powerless
Unhappily, when the post-war psychosis and passion had died
down, hate was once more whipped up and fostered by the socialist
governments. It was not of the frenzied variety, but instead was
more cold-blooded, premeditated and thorough. Hate became an
instrument of political power – particularly after 1948. A whole
ideology of hate came into being. This ideology justified everything
it required; everything was permitted to achieve its success; it
encouraged hatred and even required it on occasions. There can be
no worse threat than this to human morality and life. While,
unhappily, we find hate in various guises all over the world, hate
here has its specific features. The education of people into a single
permitted ideology creates a much more extensive basis for such
hatred. Hate is thereby-c’nationalized”, as it were. It assumes the
most varied forms at every level: regional, district, local, federal and
international. In this way, lies, violence and hate become an
indissoluble trinity. Each needs the others. Half-truth hates because
it is afraid and, because it is afraid, it employs violence. Violence in
turn is a power which serves and coexists with hate – and lies are
used to excuse it, and so on.
It isn’t expensive anymore. $9/month, damn near anywhere.
Tracy, you have a bad habit of comparing
apples to orangesvagina’s to assholes.” Male and female versions. ”
too stupid
SBP! how the hell do you get “what you want is for other to pay for your preferred method of contraception” from I want BC to be OVER THE COUNTER? And, since Viagra does not actually treat impotence, it should not be covered either.
BTW, menopause is NOT a old age degenerative disease – natural function of the body’s aging process.
And, based on the men that live in my apartment complex near my age (55), I’d say ‘put that thing away before you hurt yourself’….Viagra is the LAST thing they should be playing with….
“And, since Viagra does not actually treat impotence”
Treating symptom is treatment. By that standard, insulin doesn’t actually “treat” diabetes, either.
“menopause is NOT a old age degenerative disease”
Yes, it is. The fact that it’s “natural” doesn’t make it any less of a disease than, say, atherosclerosis or Alzheimers.
“since Viagra does not actually treat impotence, it should not be covered either. ”
I say anything you want should be covered…if you’re willing to pay for the policy that does.
But then that would require we live in a constitutional republic with a capitalistic economic system. which we no longer do. So, carry on dictating terms, comrade…
And, since Viagra does not actually treat impotence, it should not be covered either.
That’s like saying you want birth control to clear up your acne.
You want to interrupt the natural cycle of your body? Pay for it yourself. Your health insurance shouldn’t be used to cover your dye jobs and eyebrow threading, either.
That having been said, would you like to hear the most EFFECTIVE form of birth control ever devised? 100% effective, totally free, and protects against every known STD, and most of those not yet identified.
Abstinence. Just say “No”.
Works every time, and doesn’t require a doctor’s approval first, either.
“Your health insurance shouldn’t be used to cover your dye jobs and eyebrow threading, either.”
See comment directly above this.
oh noes to saying nay to “female sex stuff” allan does forbid.
“Just say “No”.”
you gd h8tr. self control is being stupid
“That having been said, would you like to hear the most EFFECTIVE form of birth control ever devised? 100% effective, totally free, and protects against every known STD, and most of those not yet identified.
Abstinence. ”
Uh, I think tracy hit on one just as effective.
She IS a lesbian with an adopted kid you know…
Abstinence also doesn’t require a belief in any Higher Power to be effective, so it will work just as well for atheists (if they should bother to even try it) as for those lapsed Catholics that might think that other forms of birth control are perfectly fine with the Pope.
“And, based on the men that live in my apartment complex near my age (55), I’d say ‘put that thing away before you hurt yourself’….Viagra is the LAST thing they should be playing with….”
yo tracy leave the vibrator alone dear
and tracy – ” make me a sam witch”
She IS a lesbian with an adopted kid you know…
Yeah, I imagine she’s beating them off with a stick…
Imagination: Angelina Jolie
Reality: Chaz Bono
Pablo, like many prescriptions, the cost of the med is pretty nominal now. I got pain med prescriptions from the ER doc, cost me $11 for 30 – 600mg Motrin and 24 vicadin. pretty damn cheap. The cost of BC is not the issue – having to get a prescription requires doctor appointment ($85 for me without insurance)…and of course he likes to have blood work (another $59) when he renews it (every 2 years). So, the $9 is easy. the $144 not so much. I don’t need health insurance for any of it – frankly, that is not the purpose of health insurance anyway. It’s more for the $6k the hospital is charging me for the two trips to the ER (they called me back 2 days after my fall to have additional tests to ‘clarify’ my condition).
And SBP, adding insulin….never mind….too much ignorance there.
LBascom…are you speaking about having a stainless steel probe stuck up your ass? I don’t think that is typical prostrate exam.
>She IS a lesbian with an adopted kid you know…<
darwin fail.
“. It’s more for the $6k the hospital is charging me for the two trips to the ER”
and they do that why?
“. It’s more for the $6k the hospital is charging me for the two trips to the ER”
did you need to go there?
Lesbian, adopted kid (though don’t know what that matters) and 55…..so, old, fat and ugly. Nope, not having to even put up a fence…
The ‘man’ count in CA is pretty damn low. Lots of gamma around though…
so, old, fat and ugly.
That’s not the problem. It’s that you are STUPID. You don’t even know that you have contradicted yourself (again), do you? That’s what happens when you argue from feelings, rather than facts. Facts don’t change, even though feelings might.
“The ‘man’ count in CA is pretty damn low”
what no
illegals,undocumented, wetback fraudsdiversity for you clowns?newrouter, I have three fractures in the shoulder: broke the ‘knob’ off the top of the humerus and two avulsion fractures – that is, I tore the muscle and tendon off the bone pulling pieces of bone off in the process. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151831090287933&set=a.10150443183612933.367700.790017932&type=1
I don’t know if that link will work. So, while I figured there was not much they could do if it was ‘just’ broken, I didn’t know if it was dislocated too (yes, it was). That had to be addressed.
drumwaster, at least stupid suggests I have a brain I’m not using, what’s your excuse?
>newrouter, I have three fractures in the shoulder:<
and that relates to female reproduction how? you commies like to bs
I don’t even need to take my brain out of idle to show you up, tracy. If you were more entertaining, I might even bother to pull out the keys and give you a ride around my world. But you aren’t, so I won’t, and you can’t.
Next question, you stupid bint?
http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/66255726537/sillybill1947-is-that-a-picture-of-idi-amin
“fertility” works better above.
why do I even talk to you newrouter…..I AM stupid….
“are you speaking about having a stainless steel probe stuck up your ass? I don’t think that is typical prostrate exam.”
I didn’t say anything about a prostrate exam. I was talking about the BBQ tongs up the ass=ob/gyn exam comment(as if you wouldn’t notice if the doctor stuck the instrument up the wrong orifice).
Also, I brought up being lesbian and adoption in the context of effective birth control. As in, one usually doesn’t accidently adopt a child, and sex without semen is as effective as abstinence.
It was tongue in cheek in other words…
“why do I even talk to you newrouter…..I AM stupid….”
it is called -debate-. commie
@ page 42
Why was Solzhenitsyn driven out of his own country? Certainly
not because he represented a unit of real power, that is, not because
any of the regime’s representatives felt he might unseat them and
take their place in government. Solzhenitsyn’s expulsion was something
else: a desperate attempt to plug up the dreadful wellspring of
truth, a truth which might cause incalculable transformations in
social consciousness, which in turn might one day produce political
debacles unpredictable in their consequences. And so the posttotalitarian
system behaved in a characteristic way: it defended the
integrity of the world of appearances in order to defend itself. For
the crust presented by the life of lies is made of strange stuff. As long
as it seals off hermetically the entire society, it appears to be made of
stone. But the moment someone breaks through in one place,
LBascom, if you will go back and read, leigh and I were talking about doctors being less than concerned about OUR physical discomfort as they probed us…back in the day… and how we thought about all the variations of ‘this isn’t going to hurt a bit’ crap we used to get being turned around…
Why was my status an issue about birth control. I argue it should be over the counter – not by prescription, not covered by insurance. I believe the effort espoused in the video at the top was typical leftist ‘healthcare is a right’ claptrap and that if ‘heathcare’ is being demanded, let those that support it fund a foundation to do so – like many others do with muscular dystrophy, heart disease, diabetes, etc….
oh, ah…tongue in cheek….just kidding….so sorry….
“leigh and I were talking about doctors being less than concerned about OUR physical discomfort as they probed us…back in the day… and how we thought about all the variations of ‘this isn’t going to hurt a bit’ crap we used to get being turned around… ”
Yeah, I bet your dentist used to hurt you because of the misogyny too.
Sadistic bastard.
I argue it should be over the counter
Abstinence is free. Doesn’t require having to stand in line to confront some bubble-gum popping teen at the register with your choice of CuzitsYoo ™ lubricated dental dam, either.
I swear you two could assume I kill little animals because I said I USED to have a cat.
oh and LBascom…lady ob/gyn’s are not always any better (and more than one was worse)….so, stuff it.
Sorry tracy, I’ll try and take you victimhood more seriously next time.
Poor thing.
thanks for making my point LBascom….
“And SBP, adding insulin….never mind….too much ignorance there.”
Insulin doesn’t cure diabetes. It treats the symptoms. Just like Viagra.
Someone is ignorant here, all right. Hint: it’s not me.
“and of course he likes to have blood work (another $59) when he renews it (every 2 years).”
Yep, he only does that because you’re a woman. Not because long-term use of hormones can cause serious problems. Nope. It’s gotta be sexism.
Why is a 55 year old lesbian using birth control? Surely not to treat “natural” menopause?
I am not a lesbian and I have not used artificial birth control for 35 years. You fellows are taking a nearly universally painful experience at the gynecologist that tracy and I were talking about and completely losing the plot.
I was accuse of having no self-control. I was married at the time.
Of play-acting when my doctor hurt me and left me on the table curled into a ball for 30 minutes.
What does tracy being a lesbian have to do with anything? She is a woman who was once married to a man and didn’t desire to become pregnant. She is not a Catholic. She was paying for her own BC and she’s advocating for OTC BC.
Women are prescribed BC pills for many things besides BC. I was given BC pills as a teen because of painful and irregular menstrual cycles with cramps so bad they dropped me to the floor and made me take to my bed for days. I was not sexually active, so it wasn’t a dodge to get my mother to take me for the pill.
For all of you who are being insensitive dolts about women having their lady parts treated like they are disconnected from the rest of us: I wish you a painful colonoscopy.
“I wish you a painful colonoscopy.”
It’s a sedation procedure so pain isn’t likely to be remembered.
A gynecological exam is not.
Also, pay for your own medical care or pursue voluntary charity or family help in paying for it.. Do not resort to guns, tax liens, and jail.
LBascom, if you will go back and read, leigh and I were talking about doctors being less than concerned about OUR physical discomfort as they probed us…back in the day… and how we thought about all the variations of ‘this isn’t going to hurt a bit’ crap we used to get being turned around…
Hey I feel your pain already and the turn around has always been there, we guys just don’t start it until we hit 40. But the inconsideration of pain is universal.
Doctors of both sexes also think that a bit of lube on a finger cot makes it painless when they effectively finger-rape your bunghole to check your prostate. The only thing that makes it technically not-rape is that you consented to it. The only thing that makes it less painless coming from women is that their fingers “can” be smaller.
But, most of us get that male doctor who grew up on a dairy farm, who’s nickname in med school was “Banana Fingers”. The last time I had it checked I was in pain for the rest of the day due to the sudden, scraping penetration of the dude doing the checking. I didn’t even get a kiss on the neck, much less a reach-around.
“A gynecological exam is not.”
Neither is an esophageal. Nor most invasive urology procedures. :)
The worst pain I had in a doctors office ever was having a cyst irrigated on my back. The cutting is fine and the initial mashing is fine but the part where they mash it out and make sure it is mashed out is pretty serious pain. The local doesn’t help much. Feels like an old fashioned wooden tent spike is being pounded in. I imagine it owuld ave been much worse if it was on my neck or jaw instead of my lower back.
That’s why I got me a Joooo doctor.
Condoms for BC are less of a biohazard for the waterways than hormone regulators and are cheaper and don’t require a Docs Rx.
Please don’t shift the goal posts to other uses for hormone regulators as reason for insurance coverage; the subject is their use for BC. The criteria for an Rx requirement should be the science; if hormone level monitoring is needed, which requires a Docs checking, it shouldn’t be suborned by any women’s political characterization of a required Rx for hormone regulators as being “sexist”. If the use of hormone regulators for things other than BC requires said monitoring for patient safety, then there should be no objection to monitoring when it is used for elective BC.
While the prostate exam is a one way street violation, I can’t say I’ve ever had one that was memorably painful. I’ve regularly take dumps of a larger diameter than the Doc’s index finger.
While the gyno exam involves an orifice designed to emit little people, this looks waaaaaay too much like this for comfort.
Pablo: Count yourself lucky.
Right. Playing with hormones is not the trifle that the ubiquitousness of BC might suggest.
Correct, Pablo. I am not for over the counter BC pills. It’s playing Russian roulette. BC pills are of limited utility anyway since women over the age of 35 are discouraged from taking them. I took them as a teen as stated upthread, but never since and not for contraceptive purposes. I also paid for them myself since I had a job.
As per the original topic of this thread which was demanding the public pay for all procedures of any kind, I say no. I have always paid for my own doctor’s visits and hospitalizations. Sometimes I belonged to a group plan at work, sometimes not.
Leigh, my sister was the same. Spending 2 days a month curled up on the floor in the bathroom. I take BC for HRT.
SBP: people with insulin dependent diabetes requires insulin to stay alive. Impotent men do not need Viagra to stay alive. As leigh notes, BC is used for more than anti-pregnancy.
BTW, I’ve had a colonoscopy and a urinary catheter inserted for a major bladder infection. My comments to leigh about a gyn exam stand.
Tracy, I have been one of those unfortunate women who has suffered with menstrual pain my whole life. It’s incapacitating and unless you have had it, the only thing I can compare it to is blinding migraine headaches. I get those too, so I’m just flawed, I guess.
leigh, after watching my sister for years, my heart goes out to you.
Thank you, tracy.
I take BC for HRT.
No need for the prescribing doctor to regularly monitor your hormone levels, though, is there? It’s not like doctors aren’t both professionally and financially concerned with whether a treatment they are giving might have negative effects on the patient (who would be likely to sue if anything goes wrong, because face it, it’s the US in the 21st century and nuisance lawsuits are the State hobby in California), is it?
So by all means, push to take those body-altering chemicals with potential health hazards out of the hands of the professionals because PROGRESS AGAINST THOSE H8RXTIANISTS. You just might get it.
Pity from me, though? Not a chance.
Speaking of Newspeak, I hope you all have a wonderful Winter Solstice Seasonal Holiday this year.
Christmas is a grotesque and obsolete holiday for the child like, heehaw, racist yokels, who ignorantly fester, hoot, and seethe about their invisible magical sky friend, as their teeth rot out, in the dark-ages social wasteland of flyover country.
I read it in the Atlantic.
Christmas is my birthday and therefore a cause for celebration worldwide, with Mass and everything.
This year, Thanksgiving and Chanukah fall on the same day this year.
Thanksgivakkuh?
leigh, CJ’s birthday is the 23rd and Victoria’s was the 29th. No combined birthday and Christmas celebration allowed in this house!
The only thing that bugged me about it when I was a child, was not having a birthday party except with my relatives because all of my friends had commitments. Totally selfish of them, thinking of Grandma first. (j/k)
It’s birthday central around here from September to February. It goes like this: September: Hubs. October: Youngest Son, Eldest Son, Youngest Daughter. Nov: Middle Son. Dec: Me. Feb: Eldest Daughter.
Then shoehorn in all the holidays. Whew! Cake, cake, cake and presents and lots of shopping and cooking. But I love it anyway!
I pretty much ignored this thread, could not think of anything insensitive to say ;)
My Birthday is 12/31 and it generally get ignored, family, friends, work colleagues.
Right now they are embarrassing folks at work by putting up B-day “decorations” at their workspace a week or so before their birthday. I have even money that I will be forgotten and be spared the crepe paper cheer.
I’ll remember to wish you a happy b-day, bgbear. My Uncle Bobby has the same B-day and he also feels robbed, so I make sure I send him a card every year.
It was right considerate of you to be born just in time to be a tax deduction, I must say.
aw, shucks.
Say, has anyone heard from Jeff? He usually posts something on Mondays.
I hope he’s feeling better.
“I take BC for HRT.”
So, to avoid the “natural process” of menopause, then.
“people with insulin dependent diabetes requires insulin to stay alive.”
Got it. Other than for fatal diseases, nothing is a “treatment”.
You’re not nearly as good at sophistry as you think you are.
The fact still remains that impotence is a disease and being fertile is not.
I thought most things done in medicine are “treatments” and very few are “cures”. “Heal” is the other word not really proper in most medical care.
We don’t use the “cure” word in my line of work.
Jeff’s last tweet was two days ago.
Someone who has his cell number should call him.
does Deborah Frisch have it?
(what? too soon?)
She’s still in the Big House, as far as I know.
The corridor to transition Obamacare to a completed fascist system, one where the government owns the healthcare industry de facto, has been found and the cattle are being “nudged” into the chute.
Whether it will be desirable or necessary to then transition to ownership de jure is still up in the air. If it proves to be desired then another corridor will be opened, behind door number 3, where the insurers take the bribe and still go broke.
Here’s is the corridor — it’s simple, just follow it to the delousing station. There you will shower, and after, all will be well. Now, go.
That way? Under that big arch that says “Arbeit Macht Frei”?
There’s a change of value-system underway, is all. No worries.
O!care is big on 80%
DEMOCRATS to REIMBURSE Insurance Companies Up to 80% on O-Care Losses (Video)
The Democrats ain’t remimbursing shit. Taxpayers are.
“Here’s is the corridor — it’s simple, just follow it to the delousing station. There you will shower, and after, all will be well. ”
But…I’m supposed to signal the snipers to begin thinning out the perimeter guards. Nice uniform BTW.
More of a destroy all principles so we all then have solid “Democratic values” or die.
Does that mean “paradise” is trusting in
Chicago JesusObama, completely, without any reservations?“Does that mean “paradise” is “: drink the kool aide comrade.
Annette Benning and Warren Beatty’s daughter is confused?
Color me shocked.