I’m sure I linked this back in August, but I’m going to post it here again, first because it needs repeating, and second because I think the surrender caucus — who is both comprised of, and or advocates on behalf of, the geniuses who have stopped virtually none of this since the TEA Party they so despise propelled them into the House majority — need to be shown yet again that punting and waiting for Republican majorities in both chambers and a GOP President (particularly one like Christie, who just reversed course and now supports in-state tuition for illegal aliens) is not “smart”, not really a “strategy,” and is most certainly not a combination of two.
From Economic Collapse:
#1 When Barack Obama entered the White House, 60.6 percent of working age Americans had a job. Today, only 58.7 percent of working age Americans have a job.
#2 Since Obama has been president, seven out of every eight jobs that have been “created” in the U.S. economy have been part-time jobs.
#3 The number of full-time workers in the United States is still nearly 6 million below the old record that was set back in 2007.
#4 It is hard to believe, but an astounding 53 percent of all American workers now make less than $30,000 a year.
#540 percent of all workers in the United States actually make less than what a full-time minimum wage worker made back in 1968.
#6 When the Obama era began, the average duration of unemployment in this country was 19.8 weeks. Today, it is 36.6 weeks.
#7 During the first four years of Obama, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” soared by an astounding 8,332,000. That far exceeds any previous four year total.
#8 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.
#9 When Obama was elected, the homeownership rate in the United States was 67.5 percent. Today, it is 65.0 percent. That is the lowest that it has been in 18 years.
#10 When Obama entered the White House, the mortgage delinquency rate was 7.85 percent. Today, it is 9.72 percent.
#11 In 2008, the U.S. trade deficit with China was 268 billion dollars. Last year, it was 315 billion dollars.
#12 When Obama first became president, 12.5 million Americans had manufacturing jobs. Today, only 11.9 million Americans have manufacturing jobs.
#13 Median household income in America has fallen for four consecutive years. Overall, it has declined by over $4000 during that time span.
#14 The poverty rate has shot up to 16.1 percent. That is actually higher than when the War on Poverty began in 1965.
#15 During Obama’s first term, the number of Americans on food stamps increased by an average of about 11,000 per day.
#16 When Barack Obama entered the White House, there were about 32 million Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million Americans on food stamps.
#17 At this point, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. This is the first time that has ever happened in our history. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year.
#18 When Barack Obama took office, the average price of a gallon of regular gasoline was $1.85. Today, it is $3.53.
#19 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.
#20 Health insurance costs have risen by 29 percent since Barack Obama became president, and Obamacare is going to make things far worse.
#21 The United States has fallen in the global economic competitiveness rankings compiled by the World Economic Forum for four years in a row.
#22 According to economist Tim Kane, the following is how the number of startup jobs per 1000 Americans breaks down by presidential administration…
Bush Sr.: 11.3
Clinton: 11.2
Bush Jr.: 10.8
Obama: 7.8
#23 In 2008, that total amount of student loan debt in this country was 440 billion dollars. At this point, it has shot up to about a trillion dollars.
#24 According to one recent survey, 76 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
#25 During Obama’s first term, the number of Americans collecting federal disability insurance rose by more than 18 percent.
#26 The total amount of money that the federal government gives directly to the American people has grown by 32 percent since Barack Obama became president.
#27 According to the Survey of Income and Program Participation conducted by the U.S. Census, well over 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government.
#28 As I wrote about the other day, American households are now receiving more money directly from the federal government than they are paying to the government in taxes.
#29 Under Barack Obama, the velocity of money (a very important indicator of economic health) has plunged to a post-World War II low.
#30 At the end of 2008, the Federal Reserve held $475.9 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds. Today, Fed holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds have skyrocketed past the 2 trillion dollar mark.
#31 When Barack Obama was first elected, the U.S. debt to GDP ratio was under 70 percent. Today, it is up to 101 percent.
#32 During Obama’s first term, the federal government accumulated more new debt than it did under the first 42 U.S presidents combined.
#33 When you break it down, the amount of new debt accumulated by the U.S. government during Obama’s first term comes to approximately $50,521 for every single household in the United States. Are you able to pay your share?
Right now, Mitch McConnell is working diligently to craft a surrender (which he’ll present as a grown-up, bi-partisan compromise) — even as Obama is looking to reward one more of his biggest constituencies with ObamaCare waivers in yet another iteration of the health care law John Roberts wrote. With the help of Senate Republicans.
The House, in response, is set to vote tonight, and it remains to be seen how it will react to rumors of the Senate capitulation. [UPDATE: a conservative revolt killed the vote; ARSONISTS! Note how the WaPo frames this: “leaving Washington without a clear path forward for avoiding a first-ever default on the nation’s debt.” This is a straight out lie. Default will only occur if Obama and Lew choose to default. At which point Obama must be impeached. Or risk a civil uprising of the kind we haven’t had in this country for a long time.]
But make no mistake: you don’t get where we’ve gotten to, as represented in those 33 factoids, without bi-partisan (or, as I’ve preferred to call it, “single party”) DC comity.
We don’t need more “compromise.” What we need are more Cruzes and Lees. And a much bigger set of balls.
When we don’t instantly go into default like they kept warning/promising/heckling/proselytizing it’ll be even more obvious that Washington has been so busy playing us for fools, they’ve forgotten they’re idiots.
I imagine they’ll eagerly agree at that point to keep the dumb narrative going, but we’ll see.
Day by day this nation sinks further and further into Despotism.
A day of reckoning is coming.
And we have a choice: do we take the lead in carrying it out or do we allow the Chaos and Misery the Left desires to gain the upperhand?
What is our Duty to the Founding Fathers and to our Posterity?
I know not how others will act, but I will not be a slave; I will either live free or die.
OUTLAWS!
Warning / promising / heckling / proselytizing regarding default, all has to be seen in an aspect of threat, otherwise it makes no sense to speak of such things — full stop.
But if a threat, from whence does the threat issue? Not from the Constitution of the United States. Not from the House of Representatives.
Then where?
From those who choose to speak of the threat, that’s where, and from little place else (save for the morons who habitually and mindlessly repeat the falsehoods propounded by their political enemies; morons, that is, like Speaker John Boehner now and then, who can’t seem to help himself).
So, to put a finger on them, from the President, TheClownDisaster himself and his political hack underlings and his political hack allies. You know them.
theclowndisaster™
Pay China, fuck citizens – screams the Tea Party patriots.
Maybe it’s not about language. Maybe 75% of America wants you to go fuck yourself because your actual ideas are about as desirable as lit M80s hidden in turds.
Very well said, Sdferr. And a better point than I was making.
Very… words, Steve.
What a sad and pathetic little shit you are, Steve.
May you find peace for your soul someday. But it will not happen to you until you reject the Nihilistic Cancer that now occupies it.
Or…perhaps you should just save some time and DIAF.
Pay China, fuck citizens – screams the Tea Party patriots. – sez clown
Most news headlines focus on how much the U.S. owes China. And, in fact, China is the largest foreign owner of U.S. debt. However, the biggest single owner of national debt is the Social Security Trust Fund, aka your retirement money.
Oh, it’s about language all right. Otherwise, the liars wouldn’t spend all their time making up new lies to replace those told yesterday.
or…perhaps you should just save some time and DIAF.
Seconded. I provided handy embedded links to easy-for-even-morons-to-read Wikipedia explaining how there will not be a default unless the
MessiahPresident choses to do so.Evidently my desire to help has borne no fruit.
When the shit his the fan, I think I’ll hunt steve down and make him my dog.
Oh, and for fun? I think I’ll light an M-80 and stick it in him.
Awesome Obama ideas, eh steve? Koskid: Obamacare will double my monthly premium (according to Kaiser)
Why can’t we Teabaggers see how fucking incredible this molestation of the American health care system is and how everyone just loves it?
Oh. We took the red pill, not the blue one. Damn the bad luck!
Your erotic fantasy about murdering and subjugating your fellow citizens, because freedom, is… interesting.
leigh – if you think the government can make payments on the debt, pay social security, pay Medicare / Medicaid, pay soldiers, keep the VA open, under the current debt limit, then you can’t add. And I’m not surprised.
I haven’t fantasized about murdering anyone, you demented little tard. If your shit on my rug, however…
Now, you’ve been fantasizing about subjugating me and mine for at least five years now, so when it blows up in your face? Well, let’s just say that I’ll see it coming. And I’ve always wanted a really obedient dog.
Mathematicians know of more than one operation. By golly, they’ve even heard of subtraction, and use it.
Your erotic fantasy about murdering and subjugating your fellow citizens,
Bill Ayers planned to murder 25 million Americans
Evidently my desire to help has borne no fruit.
Steve would risk having his whole constructed fantasy world collpase around him if he did that, Leigh. It’s his Room 101.
You’ll all be hailed as hero’s. Haven’t you heard, the people love you.
if you think the government can make payments on the debt, pay social security, pay Medicare / Medicaid, pay soldiers, keep the VA open, under the current debt limit, then you can’t add.
sure you can do that. the rest of the fed gov’t wouldn’t exist though.
newrouter – seeking to be more like Bill Ayers
newrouter – seeking to be more like Bill Ayers
sure steve eliminating fed gov’t bureaucracies is just like eliminating 25 million american kulaks
That’s “heroes” dumbass. Of course, I don’t think we’re interested in accolades around here. Just liberty.
if you think the government can make payments on the debt, pay social security, pay Medicare / Medicaid, pay soldiers, keep the VA open, under the current debt limit, then you can’t add. And I’m not surprised
Just where did Leigh say any of that?
And steve, why do we have to have all of those things? And if we do, why can’t we do them differently to save money?
Inquiring minds want to know…
If all of that is true, then we’re already broke, and it’s about time the American People found out about it. While some of us, at least, are still The American People.
If we can’t pay our bills without borrowing money from China, then shouldn’t we keep China happy, steve?
Projection is teh awsum!
Just where did Leigh say any of that?
He’s projecting again. Apparently he’s still smarting because I had remarked that his math was weak yesterday.
Of course, being a weak sister of a societal sponge, it would only stand to reason that he is weak in all areas. IYKWIMAITTYD.
Jinx, Ernst.
I wonder if hellomynameissteveandiridetheshortbus even knows the difference between citizenship, subjecthood and clientage.
“Given tonight’s events, the Leaders have decided to work toward a solution that would reopen the government and prevent default,” Don Stewart, a spokesman for minority leader Sen. Mitch McConnell, said in a statement.
But when a government the size of America’s federal system grows larger, it occurs only at the expense of liberty, and the contraction of the private sector. Law is meaningless without the exercise of force to compel obedience. More government means more laws, more force, more punishment for disobedience… more things you must do, more things you cannot do.
Actually, let me clarify that, to reflect where America really stands after decades of the debased political culture that eventually coughed up ObamaCare: expanding the government further means more compulsory requirements and prohibitions for certain people. The ability to grant special waivers or selectively enforce our towering mountain of under-funded law is a source of great power for the ruling class. Building a vast body of laws, and a gigantic enforcement apparatus to secure compliance with them, consolidates power; the ability to grant selective immunity to that system is how political power goes nuclear.
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Ok, so yeah, him too.
“Given tonight’s events, moar power for us!,” said the spokesman for everybody hanging on for dear life where everybody hangs on for dear life.
That lackwit should’ve been a sitting duck in the 2012 election.
Too bad the other guys gave us Mitt Motherfucking Romney as an alternative.
But hey, he was “electable”.
Note that neither Moody’s nor S&P has lowered the credit rating of the U.S.
Note that interest rates on 10 year Treasuries have remained steady, and they’re selling briskly.
Note that the stock market isn’t collapsing around our ears.
Something tells me that this “risk of default” is considerably lower than the pundits would have us believe.
it’s a wee lil bit disappointing to learn how not-imminent the inevitable default is Mr. sdferr
but even if we don’t get to default the next president is still going to be able to say he inherited a truly ungodly economic mess from his piece of shit predecessor
which, I really don’t think food stamp understood that til recently
and now when he turns his fascist little head towards thoughts of his legacy, the sorosfuhrer probably experiences intense pangs of marijuana cravings I bet
thuggy thuggy Holder’s corrupt DOJ will fuck you up if you lower credit ratings on the US without permission
that’s just how America rolls anymore Mr. Spies
little debbie cravings for mr. s.
If wonder of wonders occurs, and the next Executive is a half-decent man, he might be better off not saying a damn thing about the black-hole years and just apply all his energies to grinding through the chains and shackles, or shotgunning useless and unjust laws in concert with the Congress, bein’ that anybody’s energy is in limited supply and all.
oh my mark l says he’s been listening to glenn b
and yet obama’s glorious legacy of debt and fail and hate must not be forgotten
a monument must be commissioned to the glory of the sorosfuhrer so that future generations are not denied an appreciation of his singular contribution to the decline and dissolution of what was once quite the spunky lil country
“thuggy thuggy Holder’s corrupt DOJ will fuck you up if you lower credit ratings on the US without permission”
Could be. Doesn’t explain why China and others are still buying the Treasuries, though. I’m pretty sure the ChiComs don’t give a crap about Eric Holder’s minions.
– Carneys presser today, the usual broken record repeat of all the bad stuff arising from this “totally unneccessary threat to shut down the government by a single wing of one party simply because they can’t get their way” made it clear that no matter how many times a reporter asks his lying sack of shitness what plans he and the ClownDisaster™ are making for the possibility of an actual shutdown there are none and Bumblefuck is sitting this out for fear of having any responsibility shoveled his way, and thereby tarnishing his record and legacy. POS just isn’t low enough to describe Jug ears.
– Aside from my ragging racist atitudes, one reason I didn’t want to see a black in the WH yet was the possibility that he/they would take outrageous advantage of the situation. Its 100 times worse than I could have imagined, and before its over someone is going to pay for all this grief.
– The country is in chaos and we have zero leadership. The man who is supposed to guide the country is a racist only interested in benefiting his own minority. We, the majority of Americans, have nobody in the WH or congress to represent us.
– This is not going to end well.
it is called ” obamacare” i hear
and yet obama’s glorious legacy of debt and fail and hate must not be forgotten
It’s near impossible to imagine that anyone would forget what continuously pounds on their heads for over a decade. Anyhow, I figure first things first so far as that goes, and the priority is capturing back as much liberty as conceivably possible as fast as conceivably possible. Cut ’em loose, and watch ’em create prosperity.
“What a sad and pathetic little shit you are, Steve”
I dunno, he seems an untalented but obliviously jolly pathetic little shit to me. He laughs at all of his own shit little jokes.
Good point, Palaeo.
Sure. Systems tend to work until they don’t.
Note that T bills are no less opportunistic an instantaneous market than the three cent dollar.
By now most of the country knows why. It’s eighty five billion dollars a month in play money.
If any of that makes your bottom line you’re no classical liberal.
That at least is correct. Ironically, the phenomenon of which supports the evident fact that the system it’s so methodically destroyed in these various charades and ripoffs cannot last.
Paul Krugman is right a lot too if you look at everything in the moment and ignore the overlying systemic reality.
It would be so very helpful if the conservatives who support a strong America knew what made it so.
BBH, we can rest assured that Jugears has managed to piss all over the Dream™ of MLK.
Meanwhile, reading around the financial stuff today, foreign markets could give a fuck if we “default”. “Meh”, they are saying in Asia, while they sip their morning tea. This fear-mongering at #OccupyResoluteDesk is shameless and proves only that he has no fucking clue what he’s talking about, anymore than short-bus steve does. We exceeded the debt ceiling in May of this year. The sky isn’t going to fall on Thursday if there is no agreement.
the medical device tax seizes3 billion dollars a year from the economy – that’s a lot of raped jobs I can’t imagine food stamp ever willingly giving this up
“if you look at everything in the moment and ignore the overlying systemic reality”
Well, the moment (specifically, the claim that the economic system is going to collapse on Thursday if the debt ceiling isn’t raised) is what I’m talking about, so I guess I’m not seeing the point of the lecture.
“The medical device tax seizes3 billion dollars a year from the economy”
Hey, taxing those medical devices is part of the Affordable Care Act, which is designed to make Care more Affordable. It says so right at the top.
Exactly how raising the cost of medical equipment will make it more affordable is something that you have to be a certified genius like BHO to comprehend. It is beyond our pitiful intellects, but it must be so. Right?
They’ll make all that money back in volume!
Kos Kiddie finds out how much “free health care” is going to cost him, posts about it, gets torn to pieces by his fellow travelers.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/30/1242660/-Obamacare-will-double-my-monthly-premium#
They’re telling him it’s for The Cause™, amirite?
He’s probably a lying Romnazi moby.
Yo, Steve. Try telling the bank that you need the credit limit raised on your Visa card or else you won’t be able to pay your bills.
Time’s a-wasting.
” * [new] there’s more to the definition (3+ / 0-)
of a troll than an high user number.
Hysterical, low-information broadside attacks like this sound trollish to me.
Could be a sleeper.
My heroes have the heart to live the life I want to live.
by JLFinch on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 02:12:45 PM PDT
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Low information broadside attack, indeed.
collards, meat, butter, sourdough, eggs, cheese, raw milk
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wah! wah! I hate Obamcare! You sound like Ted Cruz.
My heroes have the heart to live the life I want to live.
by JLFinch on Mon Sep 30, 2013 at 02:21:51 PM PDT
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@havel page 42
Therefore this power does not rely on
soldiers of its own, but on the soldiers of the enemy as it were – that
is to say, on everyone who is living within the lie and who may be
struck at any moment (in theory, at least) by the force of truth (or
who, out of an instinctive desire to protect their position, may at
least adapt to that force). It is a bacteriological weapon, so to speak,
utilized when conditions are ripe by a single civilian to disarm an
entire division. This power does not participate in any direct struggle
for power; rather it makes its influence felt in the obscure arena of
being itself. The hidden movements it gives rise to there, however,
can issue forth (when, where, under what circumstances, and to
what extent are difficult to predict) in something visible: a real
political act or event, a social movement, a sudden explosion of civil
unrest, a sharp conflict inside an apparently monolithic power
structure, or simply an irrepressible transformation in the social and
intellectual climate. And since all genuine problems and matters of
.• critical importance are hidden beneath a thick crust of lies, it is never
. quite clear when the proverbial last straw will fall, or what that straw
will be. This, too, is why the regime prosecutes, almost as a reflex
action preventively, even the most modest attempts to live within the
truth.
Why was Solzhenitsyn driven out of his own country? Certainly
not because he represented a unit of real power, that is, not because
any of the regime’s representatives felt he might unseat them and
take their place in government. Solzhenitsyn’s expulsion was something
else: a desperate attempt to plug up the dreadful wellspring of
truth, a truth which might cause incalculable transformations in
social consciousness, which in turn might one day produce political
debacles unpredictable in their consequences. And so the posttotalitarian
system behaved in a characteristic way: it defended the
integrity of the world of appearances in order to defend itself. For
the crust presented by the life of lies is made of strange stuff.
Actually, that’s the voices in your head, drone.
You and your tapeworm aren’t 75% of America. HTH, HAND.
I caught the tail end of Rush Limbaugh’s discursion on this Marc Thiessen op-ed earlier today, and I’ve been hoping somebody would do a post on it. Oh well, can’t have everything. (/”stick to the issues!” whining).
In his typical manner, Rush seeks to accentuate the positive:
But he knows better than to eliminate the negative:
But even here, he’s not fully taking issue with the problem Thiessen presents, because, in typical Rush fashion he wants to keep people focused on the goal, repealing Obamacare.
Where I take issue with Rush is in limiting his disagreement with Thiessen to Thiessen’s typical beltway insider argument the the issue isn’t the issue, the process of dealing with the issue is the issue.
Thiessen, it seems to me, is making the argument that the Republicans (by which he means the conservative opposition within the Republican party) needs to get out of its own way. He concludes:
The problem here, it seems to me, is that we already tried to hoist Obama on the petard of his own incompetence. Only to find out, it seems, that, because Obama is half-black and historic, and a good man beyond criticism (other than he’s not working –but don’t take that to mean we think he’s lazy, oh, no. That’s a vicious stereotype and we’re not racists!), Obama get’s graded on a curve.
Furthermore, as everyone here already knows, Obamacare is designed to fail, intentionally so in order to clear the way for a single-payer system. So letting it fail does nothing to advance the argument, since failure is built-in.
It’s not enough to argue that, as a practical matter, Obamacare won’t work. It has to be attacked philosophically from a position of first principles i.e. ceding responsibility for one’s health care to the state is antithetical to the American tradition of individual liberty, self-reliance, and limited government; and a government directed and planned health-care system is about as efficient (not to mention as just) as an economy controlled by a central committee.
Finally, as a matter of practical electoral politics. The GOP took back the House in 2010 by promising to oppose Obamacare at every turn. They retained the House in 2012. They’re still obligated to oppose Obamacare. Now you have to add to the mix that, if they surrender on the budget (and/or the debt ceiling, depending on whether Boehner is stupid and vain enough to go for a grand bargain), they surrender on Obamacare.
Certainly that’s how the Democrats will interpret it, and that’s what their willing partners in the msm will report to their lo-info-voter audiences.
If the Republicans are going to win on this, they need to stick to the truth, hwever inconvenient it might seem to them in the short-term. Because the truth of a matter, any matter, is the truth –regardless of what an opinion audit of the moment says. And when the truth of Obamacare is finally realized, the GOP is going to want to be in a position where they can say that they’ve always opposed it. Not because it was politically expedient to do so, or because it was the pragmatic thing to do (and by that I mean, Obamacare as structured won’t work, but we can fix it –a la certain Establicans from Massachussets say, or with an odd fondness for white boards), but because Obamacare was always a lie.
Just like the next solution the Democrats will offer to the problem they’ve created will be.
we already tried to hoist Obama on the petard of his own incompetence.
and
Obamacare is designed to fail
one of these days, I’ll learn to prufrede
Let me make myself perfectly clear (though, when Obama says that, he’s about to lie) you are my sworn enemy, steve. You know nothing about the Founding Fathers and desire the overthrow of the Constitution in order to create a communist paradise.
That makes you a traitorous bastard, steve. Nothing more, nothing less. You scream stupidity, pointing at various things that could go wrong if the debt ceiling is breached, without stopping to consider that just perhaps we shouldn’t be in this position.
The staggering smugness and arrogance coupled with your blinding stupidity means that if America falls, you’ll be screaming “I didn’t know” as you are dragged off and shot. I, for one, will not shed a tear.
Your ilk always ignores the arc of history, believing somehow, this time, “things will be different” even though there is 4,000 years of history that says otherwise.
Prufrede sounds like the name of some quasi-famous naturalist small-animal painter who died in 1929 or something.
What makes you think a craven lickspittle like our spastic troll won’t find a way to make himself useful to his new masters, Blake?
Even the Lord Humongus kept a pet.
Seen on my filing cabinet:
KEEP
CLAM
AND
PROOFREAD
Damn it! I really did foul-up the preuf-rede.
I’d blame it on scotch,
only I’m drinking bourbon tonight.
If the Vatican can foul-up, I have nothing to be ashamed of.
“Even the Lord Humongus kept a pet.”
He was more of an MC, hype man, barker, sycophant, and official boomerang catcher.
Final thought for the night: We don’t need a third party, we need a genuine second party.
Meaning that a third party is simply a means to an end.
We need :
1: more consistent messaging and less constant fiddly flinching and ADJUSTING of messaging
2: people hostile to the press who don’t want or expect to be liked by the press, who don’t fear it, and see the press as routinely oriented towards being dishonest and stupid
3: a way to threaten and enforce a virtual political and fund raising death sentence for people we vote for who screw us. This should include a derogatory dehumanizing term for those who screw us that instills greater fear in the wishy washy than overrated New York Time editorial writers like Paul Krugman.
4. cold blooded remorseless ridicule towards that which is stupid and a refusal to pretend that it carries weight that it does not just because some fad has momentarily invested it with the appearance of weight
5. we need to support and encourage one another instead of shutting up to avoid casually spewed grief from people who are much bigger assholes than we are.
Blake, glad we’re clear, and the feeling is mutual. BTW, you seem very concerned about the US carrying debt. Have a fucking seance and let Reagan know.
If you say, “Hey, that car seems to be swerving. I bet that guy is going to get in a wreck.” And then you ram him off the road, that doesn’t make you right, it just makes you an asshole. That’s you guys with the debt ceiling. It’s like you guys just can’t stand the notion that America might be OK despite all your prognosticating about “America is over” that you’re now going to make damn sure it’s over.
And if the debt ceiling is hit, and it turns out to be a big deal, you’ll just spout that, “Oh, it’s not *really* a big deal, the Democrats are just out to make it as painful as possible.”
The party of personal responsibility continues to fart and blame it on the dog.
And, since you brought Obamacare into the mix, have you looked at your state exchanges?
I’m currently paying $1400 / month for insurance for a family of 4, so this is looking pretty awesome:
http://www.coveroregon.com/individual/browse/5okvI-dYT3OyabWASKN8xw
A website that isn’t crashed? Boy, that is awesome. Obama is a genius!
As for my state exchange, I can get a bronze individual plan for $277/month with a $6800 deductible. So, that means I’m out over $10K/year on a plan I’m mandated to buy before I ever get a fucking dime of care paid for. There are a number of applicable descriptors for this. Awesome isn’t one of them.
“I’m currently paying $1400 / month for insurance for a family of 4,”
Freeloading off the rest of us is “awesome”?
Of course it is. Just like having kids that you can’t afford to support is “awesome”.
Do the rest of us get a say in how your fatherless children are raised, Stevo? I mean, we’re paying the bills, right?
Here’s an idea, Stevo: rather than trolling a web site at 2:30 AM, hows about you get some sleep, then get up in the morning and look for a fucking job? I’m sure you can find one that Obama has “saved or created”.
“Have a fucking seance and let Reagan know.”
Reagan faced down the Soviet Union, and won.
Obozo can’t even deal with a tinpot dictator like Assad.
SBP, stevie has no problem with being a slave. In fact, as as long as government is peeing on steve and telling him it’s manna, steve will scream with pleasure and beg for more.
“If you say, “Hey, that car seems to be swerving. I bet that guy is going to get in a wreck.” And then you ram him off the road, that doesn’t make you right, it just makes you an asshole. That’s you guys with the debt ceiling. ”
No, that’s just you Steve, babbling half baked idiotic gibberish without any sense of charisma or persuasive instinct. How the fuck am I supposed to take you or your half assed dumb shit metaphors seriously Steve?
palaeomerus, I find it instructive that steve didn’t deny that he is for the overthrow of the Constitution. Nor did steve deny that that he is a traitorous communist bastard.
Ah, stevie lives in the People’s Republic of Oregon, according to his “healthcare” link.
That explains a great deal. Home of old hippies and their spawn, easily gulled and smokers of copious amounts of herb, they often refuse to have their children vaccinated. A pertussis epidemic might be the answer.
It can only be a matter of time, then, before he discovers how to elicit the full warm PW welcome. I wonder if Steve and whats-her-name have met?
I propose that the symbol for the Republican party be changed to a weather vane blown in a money wind.
I doubt it, unless they were arraigned by the same judge.
Of course, incarceration would explain his odd posting hours.
The GOP doesn’t fight statism because they are statists. But I’m a very simplistic neanderthal like that.
Their similar childhood memories are driving them both to be as they learned adults are to behave in a society. It’s just not the society that is the one here. Obama shows us where his heart truly is when he speaks of a childhood love that pulls at him still. Compare/contrast to his speech about conservative Americans.
Rep. Tom McClintock: “Yesterday in Washington, a group of America’s veterans rose up to take a stand against these unconstitutional usurpations. […] I believe the salvation of our nation now ultimately depends on the American people joining them.”
Truer words were never spoken.
When Justice Kennedy said of the mandate to purchase under ObamaCare:
He had the sum whole of it. The individual citizen is now become the subservient subject of his government.
And who will stop this change? Who will reverse it? Who has the requisite power?
Only the people of the United States. Either they stand for themselves, or they do not. The issue is clear. The outcome remains in doubt.
hellomynameislogic:
1) Washington is screwing the American people, but
2) We want Washington to stop screwing the American people, so
3) We’re taking away the tools Washington uses to screw the American people, thus
4) We hate the American people.
Hard to argue with logic like that. Nigh-impossible, really.
That’s a lark! You don’t suppose shortbussteve-o knows that Barak Obama spends about as much money in one year’s budget than the entire national debt the U.S. was carrying at the time Reagan was President?
Squid says October 16, 2013 at 9:05 am
Well this is a guy who triumphantly pointed out that we can’t afford to pay to “make payments on the debt, pay social security, pay Medicare / Medicaid, pay soldiers, and keep the VA open” unless we “pay” for it by going into more debt.
And he says we don’t know how to add.
The guy is a twat.
And then he caves
Speaking of logic, why is Stevie-e-i-e-i-o asking us to compare rates for individual plans to the rate for his family plan?
The Republican party has no stomach for this fight, or any fight. Dealing with our fiscal disaster will never be any less traumatic.
I have children, they are still children, I would gladly suffer and resolve this before the burden falls to them.
Thomas,
Understandable, but they’re going to be the ones who have to deal with this directly, along with my nieces and nephews. We are going to be like Europe; it’s in the cards. Every time a culture is formed, it eventually gets screwed up. Such is human nature. See the Roman Empire for an example.
At this point, it’s better to just sit it out, prepare your own for the coming mess, and hope for the best.
A musical interlude to get us thinking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddi2TBnzdPo
Drum,
I meant to tell you – it’s good to see you out here! I remember you from the old right-thinking from the left-coast days, and some of the interesting discussions that used to go on there.
Randall Thompson: The Testament of Freedom
Lyrics of The Testament of Freedom, Thomas Jefferson:
I — The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy but cannot disjoin them.
—A Summary View of the Rights of British America (1774)
II — We have counted the cost of this contest, and find nothing so dreadful as voluntary slavery. Honor, justice, and humanity forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage upon them.
Our cause is just. Our union is perfect. Our internal resources are great… We gratefully acknowledge, as signal instances of the Divine favor towards us, that His Providence would not permit us to be called into this severe controversy until we were grown up to our present strength, had been previously exercised in warlike operation, and possessed of the means of defending ourselves. With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us, the arms we have been compelled by our enemies to assume we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverance, employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live slaves.
—Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking up Arms (July 6, 1775)
III — We fight not for glory or for conquest. We exhibit to mankind the remarkable spectacle of a people attacked by unprovoked enemies, without any imputation or even suspicion of offense. They boast of their privileges and civilization, and yet proffer no milder conditions than servitude or death.
In our native land, in defense of the freedom that is our birthright and which we ever enjoyed till the late violation of it; for the protection of our property, acquired solely by the honest industry of our forefathers and ourselves; against violence actually offered; we have taken up arms. We shall lay them down when hostilities shall cease on the part of the aggressors and all danger of their being renewed shall be removed, and not before.
—Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking up Arms (July 6, 1775)
IV
I shall not die without a hope that light and liberty are on steady advance… And even should the cloud of barbarism and despotism again obscure the science and liberties of Europe, this country remains to preserve and restore light and liberty to them…The flames kindled on the 4th of July, 1776, have spread over too much of the globe to be extinguished by the feeble engines of despotism; on the contrary, they will consume these engines and all who work them.
—Letter to John Adams, Monticello (September 12, 1821)
The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy but cannot disjoin them.
hellomynameisshithead reminded me of one of the Immutable Laws:
Law of Logical Argument-Anything is possible if you don’t know what you are talking about
DW and I first met when some troll tried to start a fight between him and me by posting a nasty comment on my site using his handle. I checked DW’s site and thought the comment didn’t fit what I was reading there, so I emailed him about the comment and simply asked.
It’s always fun to thwart a troll.
Good times :D
Fixed.
This is a damning list. But that website is funny. It looks like thePeoplesCube.