I made this observation earlier on Twitter, but let me repeat it hear, where fewer people will read it: reading through the comments of an NRO piece by Robert Costa this morning, it occurred to me that the commentariat at NRO is really not significantly different these days than the commentariat at Huffpo. And it’s not just that the left has brought in a vocal minority: look at the up votes and down votes, and you’ll see that NRO readers who bother with the comments are clearly backing the Democrats and hold the TEA Party in utter contempt.
In fact, it’s beginning to look like what I will call the “Balloon Juice Syndrome” — after John Cole’s once useful site that, with the rise of Obama and John’s desire to be liked by certain kinds of people, quickly turned into a bizarro parody of itself — where the infiltration of (many paid) leftist commentators, who begin by trolling the site, eventually move the more and more leftward, incrementally, until those to whom the site ostensibly is committed to speaking are the defensive, harangued, mocked minority, dismissed and marginalized not only by the leftist trolls but also by the “realist” Republicans who, in many ways, are themselves dedicated statists and/or think of politics not as having any kind of real world implications, but rather as a chess match between parties for perceptional primacy — leading them to detest those who use “principle” as an excuse to enter into their nuaced and high brow wonkish bailiwick.
It’s rather disgusting to watch.
But the fact is, surrender breeds occupation, evidently. And NRO, it seems to me, has no one to blame but itself for what it has done to Buckley’s legacy.
A few nights ago, Mark Levin read Buckley’s original NRO mission statement. I’m going to reprint portions of that here. And when you get to the part about the “well-fed right,” you needn’t think solely about corporatist fat cats or old money erstwhile industrialists living as modern aristocracy. Because the “emissaries” of the establishment GOP message seem to fit that bill just as easily, operating from behind computer screens and fanning out over FOX News to promote the very kind of Republican Party Buckley himself would have detested.
From the NR Mission Statement, 1955:
Let’s face it: Unlike Vienna, it seems altogether possible that did NATIONAL REVIEW not exist, no one would have invented it. The launching of a conservative weekly journal of opinion in a country widely assumed to be a bastion of conservatism at first glance looks like a work of supererogation, rather like publishing a royalist weekly within the walls of Buckingham Palace. It is not that, of course; if NATIONAL REVIEW is superfluous, it is so for very different reasons: It stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.
NATIONAL REVIEW is out of place, in the sense that the United Nations and the League of Women Voters and the New York Times and Henry Steele Commager are in place. It is out of place because, in its maturity, literate America rejected conservatism in favor of radical social experimentation. Instead of covetously consolidating its premises, the United States seems tormented by its tradition of fixed postulates having to do with the meaning of existence, with the relationship of the state to the individual, of the individual to his neighbor, so clearly enunciated in the enabling documents of our Republic.
“I happen to prefer champagne to ditchwater,” said the benign old wrecker of the ordered society, Oliver Wendell Holmes, “but there is no reason to suppose that the cosmos does.” We have come around to Mr. Holmes’ view, so much so that we feel gentlemanly doubts when asserting the superiority of capitalism to socialism, of republicanism to centralism, of champagne to ditchwater — of anything to anything. (How curious that one of the doubts one is not permitted is whether, at the margin, Mr. Holmes was a useful citizen!) The inroads that relativism has made on the American soul are not so easily evident. One must recently have lived on or close to a college campus to have a vivid intimation of what has happened. It is there that we see how a number of energetic social innovators, plugging their grand designs, succeeded over the years in capturing the liberal intellectual imagination. And since ideas rule the world, the ideologues, having won over the intellectual class, simply walked in and started to run things.
Run just about everything. There never was an age of conformity quite like this one, or a camaraderie quite like the Liberals’. Drop a little itching powder in Jimmy Wechsler’s bath and before he has scratched himself for the third time, Arthur Schlesinger will have denounced you in a dozen books and speeches, Archibald MacLeish will have written ten heroic cantos about our age of terror, Harper’s will have published them, and everyone in sight will have been nominated for a Freedom Award. Conservatives in this country — at least those who have not made their peace with the New Deal, and there is serious question whether there are others — are non-licensed nonconformists; and this is dangerous business in a Liberal world, as every editor of this magazine can readily show by pointing to his scars. Radical conservatives in this country have an interesting time of it, for when they are not being suppressed or mutilated by the Liberals, they are being ignored or humiliated by a great many of those of the well-fed Right, whose ignorance and amorality have never been exaggerated for the same reason that one cannot exaggerate infinity.
There are, thank Heaven, the exceptions. There are those of generous impulse and a sincere desire to encourage a responsible dissent from the Liberal orthodoxy. And there are those who recognize that when all is said and done, the market place depends for a license to operate freely on the men who issue licenses — on the politicians. They recognize, therefore, that efficient getting and spending is itself impossible except in an atmosphere that encourages efficient getting and spending. And back of all political institutions there are moral and philosophical concepts, implicit or defined. Our political economy and our high-energy industry run on large, general principles, on ideas — not by day-to-day guess work, expedients and improvisations. Ideas have to go into exchange to become or remain operative; and the medium of such exchange is the printed word. A vigorous and incorruptible journal of conservative opinion is — dare we say it? — as necessary to better living as Chemistry.
We begin publishing, then, with a considerable stock of experience with the irresponsible Right, and a despair of the intransigence of the Liberals, who run this country; and all this in a world dominated by the jubilant single-mindedness of the practicing Communist, with his inside track to History. All this would not appear to augur well for NATIONAL REVIEW. Yet we start with a considerable — and considered — optimism.
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Our own views, as expressed in a memorandum drafted a year ago, and directed to our investors, are set forth in an adjacent column. We have nothing to offer but the best that is in us. That, a thousand Liberals who read this sentiment will say with relief, is clearly not enough! It isn’t enough. But it is at this point that we steal the march. For we offer, besides ourselves, a position that has not grown old under the weight of a gigantic, parasitic bureaucracy, a position untempered by the doctoral dissertations of a generation of Ph.D’s in social architecture, unattenuated by a thousand vulgar promises to a thousand different pressure groups, uncorroded by a cynical contempt for human freedom. And that, ladies and gentlemen, leaves us just about the hottest thing in town.
The Magazine’s Credenda
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It is the job of centralized government (in peacetime) to protect its citizens’ lives, liberty and property. All other activities of government tend to diminish freedom and hamper progress. The growth of government(the dominant social feature of this century) must be fought relentlessly. In this great social conflict of the era, we are, without reservations, on the libertarian side.
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The profound crisis of our era is, in essence, the conflict between the Social Engineers, who seek to adjust mankind to conform with scientific utopias, and the disciples of Truth, who defend the organic moral order. We believe that truth is neither arrived at nor illuminated by monitoring election results, binding though these are for other purposes, but by other means, including a study of human experience. On this point we are, without reservations, on the conservative side.
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The century’s most blatant force of satanic utopianism is communism. We consider “coexistence” with communism neither desirable nor possible, nor honorable; we find ourselves irrevocably at war with communism and shall oppose any substitute for victory.
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The largest cultural menace in America is the conformity of the intellectual cliques which, in education as well as the arts, are out to impose upon the nation their modish fads and fallacies, and have nearly succeeded in doing so. In this cultural issue, we are, without reservations, on the side of excellence (rather than “newness”) and of honest intellectual combat (rather than conformity).
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The most alarming single danger to the American political system lies in the fact that an identifiable team of Fabian operators is bent on controlling both our major political parties(under the sanction of such fatuous and unreasoned slogans as “national unity,” “middle-of-the-road,” “progressivism,” and “bipartisanship.”) Clever intriguers are reshaping both parties in the image of Babbitt, gone Social-Democrat. When and where this political issue arises, we are, without reservations, on the side of the traditional two-party system that fights its feuds in public and honestly; and we shall advocate the restoration of the two-party system at all costs.
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The competitive price system is indispensable to liberty and material progress. It is threatened not only by the growth of Big Brother government, but by the pressure of monopolies(including union monopolies. What is more, some labor unions have clearly identified themselves with doctrinaire socialist objectives. The characteristic problems of harassed business have gone unreported for years, with the result that the public has been taught to assume(almost instinctively) that conflicts between labor and management are generally traceable to greed and intransigence on the part of management. Sometimes they are; often they are not. NATIONAL REVIEW will explore and oppose the inroads upon the market economy caused by monopolies in general, and politically oriented unionism in particular; and it will tell the violated businessman’s side of the story.
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No superstition has more effectively bewitched America’s Liberal elite than the fashionable concepts of world government, the United Nations, internationalism, international atomic pools, etc. Perhaps the most important and readily demonstrable lesson of history is that freedom goes hand in hand with a state of political decentralization, that remote government is irresponsible government. It would make greater sense to grant independence to each of our 50 states than to surrender U.S. sovereignty to a world organization.
Of course, that was then. You’ve come a long way, baby!
Progress. Pragmatism.
Balloon Juice Syndrome
I think that you meant to say Bugfuck Crazy Juice Syndrome, but your point is well taken nonetheless.
The largest cultural menace in America is the conformity of the intellectual cliques which, in education as well as the arts, are out to impose upon the nation their modish fads and fallacies, and have nearly succeeded in doing so.
The only point that is outdated. nearly succeeded is now Mission Accomplished
Same thing happened at TownHall.com – last time I checked the comments were crazytown.
WSJ went full RINO, as well. I can’t read their editorial page anymore.
Having read and participated in quite a few NRO comment sections, I can affirm that this one is an anomaly.
It appears that some Lefties (or Establican hangers-on) have been recruited to concern-troll and uptick the threads; usually, the left-wingy comments get almost unanimous downticks and vice-versa. I don’t recognize the handles of the commenters;the usual left-wing trolls aren’t present.
Someone’s trying awfully hard to persuade conservatives that Even Other Republicans think the push to defund is lunacy, illegitimate, and wrong.
I Suspect when they were singing the Hymn of Inevitability a lot of their balance of regular commentators up and left leaving the few, the proud, the stupid to make a few fake accounts each and step into the new space. The mods just wanted lots of posts to keep ad views up so they let it happen. Now NR, having moved left in a fit of loser’s shame, has a lot of commentators right there on their own content ‘Nanny Nanny-boo-booing’ them, still from the left. And NR doesn’t like it, losing their base customers, gaining a bunch of taunters, but they need the hits. It’s sad.
I had a run-in with NRO years ago. I submitted an article, and didn’t hear back from them…but a few days later, an article showed up that was incredibly close to what I submitted.
They got mad at me when I accused them of plagiarism/stealing my idea. Jonah was especially irate with me…to the point of “the lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
Anyway, it was years ago, and I cannot claim what I submitted was a literary tour de force, by any stretch of the imagination.
After the way NRO dumped Ann Coulter and John Derbyshire, it became rather obvious NRO prefers to remain on the cocktail list.
Someone’s trying awfully hard to persuade conservatives that Even Other Republicans think the push to defund is lunacy, illegitimate, and wrong.
I don’t know about the rest of dicentra’s comment there (since I haven’t frequented NRO for a very long time), but as to this portion I believe there have been very definite marching-orders/talking-points issued from Democrat party headquarters today: I’ve encountered more than a few instances of leftist talking heads citing a litany of GOP boosters like Rove, the WSJ editorial board, and on and on with GOP people denouncing the Tea Party and Sens. Cruz and Lee.
I read NRO a whole lot less since 2011 and them saying maybe Boehner should just try to fix Obamacare instead of repeal it, now that he’s Speaker. In 2008 they kicked Christopher Buckley out for his pro Obama fervor and I took that as NRO trying to fight the good fight with a few misguided Crunchy cons on their backs. Then NRO sniffily tossed Derb out as a crypto-racist who let the white sheet slip out of the cuff of his slacks and I couldn’t stand the place any more. They joined the Akin Tossing committee. That’s when I knew that they were just too stupid to read. I check Steyn’s stuff here and there and VDH when he does a thing about the old world. I have no use for or confidence in the rest. In fact the last time I was there I was trolling the story I was commenting on from the right and doing it having read the story linked from somewhere else. NRO should just quit.
OT, but only slightly: The meltdown will happen between Oct 2014 and Jan 2015.
You may know the speaker as David Buckner, the guy who fainted on Beck’s live TV program, but I’m one of the few people on the planet who knows him as the loud, obnoxious, freckled kid, grades 1–12.
Not to cast aspersions on his integrity, mind you: when I knew him, he was obnoxious but not a weasel. We didn’t run with the same crowd, either, so I can’t say I knew him well.
Anyway, he makes his case. Do with it what you will.
Also, Obamacare gives us the middle finger in so, so many ways.
So I still have at least a year to party?
Party or hoard, whichever floats your boat.
Or, instead of party, people can choose to preempt.
1st you hoard, then they horde.
The comment section there is a mess, though I think that certain writers draw different crowds. If you look at the stuff written by guys like Williamson, Cooke, Steyn, and McCarthy, while they draw trolls, the trolls are usually beaten down. I think many of us have given up even reading the other posts.
Pardon my ignorance here. I’m up to my nethers in popcorn relatated stuff these day. But is the problem with Costa’s piece, the commenters’ comments about Costa’s piece, or the interaction between the two?
I believe Jeff’s observations were based on the commentariat over there, and how their “arguments” are really all the evidence you need that NR and NRO are not fulfilling their mission with anything approaching success. Also, that the editors over there are allowing the ignorant and the paid Soros shills to influence their writing, their thinking, and their editorial decisions.
I know that Jeff gets frustrated at the limited reach he enjoys, but I have to say that the silver lining is a comment section that doesn’t make me want to tear out what little remains of my hair.
reading NRO for the comments is as pointless an exercise as suscribing to Playboy for the scintillating writing.
Bill Buckley should have stipulated that National Review would die with him. He was smart enough to know that the creations of conservatives often are inflitrated by either The Establishment or the Left after the deaths of their creators [see: conservative foundations].
Also, while Mr. Buckley was often a good judge of writing talent, he really screwed-up when it came to designating successors. He did choose, originally, Richard Brookheiser, who is a first-class aristocrat. Thankfully, WFB changed his mind and went with John O’Sullivan. But then, in his dotage he chose Rich ‘Twinkle Toes’ Lowry and everything started going to Hell. Jonah Goldberg turned into just another loser trying to be seen as ‘pragmatic’ and Kathryn Jean Lopez made the case for women not being allowed to run serious enterprises.
About 12 years ago, I thought Jonah had promise. I was wrong.
NRO, what’s that? Non Readable Ostentatiuosness? Dumped them when they dumped derb. I’ll read Steyn anywhere, even if I have to suffer through the nro site.
That’s the truth. Derb is at Taki Magazine, Steyn has his own site and VDH is easy to find, too.
I also don’t read the Daily Caller since Tucker is trying to act like it’s National Lampoon without the funny.
VDH’s Private Papers. You won’t miss a beat.
Steynonline, another resource.
I still like Jonah Goldberg. Liberal Fascism buys a lot slack with me.
That doesn’t mean the rope won’t break.
How We Got Here was a good book too, and Frum is just another shill for the Power Elite these days.
Jonah Goldberg gave his readers what they wanted which was cool when we were his readers. But now he has new readers with more refined and nuanced tastes and besides that he’s so over us. Can’t we just remember the good times? The sunshine was so warm wasn’t it? Why be bitter. We just move on with our separate lives. No need for anger. (Freak!)
I would put in a good word for Andrew McCarthy, who understands the threat of Mohammedism very well.
Leigh wrote: I also don’t read the Daily Caller since Tucker is trying to act like it’s National Lampoon without the funny.
Bingo!
Case in point about JG: I think today’s G-File was pretty good.
That’s okay though, since TK is all bowtie and no class.
Lately, NRO’s commenst have been invaded by a hoard of progressives — the numbers of comments there have exploded recently, must be a Journolist missive or something. Some of the complaints about NRO are quite valid, but it’s tough to criticize them for their comment threads which are open to anybody.
TK is all bowtie and no class.
He’s traded the bowtie for a regular necktie, but still has the Byron York haircut and no class.
Charles, NRO has been infested with Pragmatists for quite a while. I keep waiting for Fernandez to peel off and go elsewhere.