Yes, that’s a direct quote. That is, if you can trust the wingnuts at CNS News. Which I’m not sure you can, given that they are, of political necessity, waging a war on both women and minorities. And the elderly. And autistic children.
But let’s just give them the benefit of the doubt for moment. Which would prompt the next question, “is this lady fucking serious?”
I mean, once you float the initial surreal line — this administration has seen the food stamp program and disability benefits absolutely skyrocket as it’s various economic plans, coupled with the molestation its bureaucratic agencies, have conspired in tandem to force more and more people out of the privqte sector and onto the dole; and it actively recruits south of the border for new dependents — you may as well go all the way.
Which is why rumor has it the First Lady followed up her claim about Obama’s Herculian efforts to free Americans from public assistance with assurances that no babies have been aborted during this President’s tenure, and that, in addition to cutting the debt in half, Obama has likewise created more new jobs than the prior 40-some-odd Presidents combined. All while perfecting a golf game that even Tiger Woods is said to envy.
After which she scolded a fat one in the audience for clinging to a buttered dinner role, then demanded “some Honkey bring her a red velvet cupcake before she has to go all Wayne Brady and smack a bitch.”
Thought to be fair, some of this is merely hearsay.
She did tell an audience of Hispanics that “their people” (sort of dog whistle-y, eh?) had a tendency to be fatsos.
Any Form of Public Assistance
So Michelle is suggesting her very own Obazm seeks to dissuade the phony walking scandal named Carlos Danger he ought not keep on with his mission to be supported by the City of New York?
Alrighty then.
Does that include the UAW, SEIU, AFT, NEA, and AFSCME?
proggtardia news
Obamacare Call Center Will Not Offer Healthcare Benefits to Employees
In other news, the chocolate ration will be increased from 30 grams to 20 next week, and we have always been at war with Eastasia.
Obama was humiliated when he found out that ‘feets calls him “food stamp,” so he had no other choice but to do a 180°.
No we have always been engaged in a multilateral kinetic military action and peaceful trade with eastasia except when such was temporarily interrupted by offensive youtube videos .
“Dinner roll” and “though to be fair”. You and the missus and the kiddo’s definately need a vacation Goldfink.
Actually, I give Michelle credit for speaking truth. Although, in the case of the Obama’s speaking truth is usually an accident.
Anyway, at some point, the EBT card checking account will be overdrawn to the point where the overdraft will not be covered.
Freedom!! (and riots)
– Blacks on EBT are not counted as public assistance. Their cards are listed under “reperations”.
Affirmative action hits the military.
What’s your major malfunction? Shee-it, I heard tell Obama once stopped a pack of wolves from slaughtering a whole herd of sheep with a single “hurumph” . Just letting the mangy critters know he was in the county was enough to make the nasty evil doers slink away in craven cowardice, as if they were but a single skinny coyote.
Sharpton didn’t call him the magic negro for nothing ya know…
Obama saved half the children in America from the horrors of obesity. Obama also prevented the shootings in seventeen grade schools, twelve high schools, and fourteen colleges just by friending mayor Bloomberg on Facebook alone.
“Sharpton didn’t call him the magic negro”
true it was David Ehrenstein
Obama the ‘Magic Negro’
The Illinois senator lends himself to white America’s idealized, less-than-real black man.
Obama prevents the abuse of kittens my smiling into a mirror alone. A smile and a wink saves a thousand animals from euthanasia every time.
Obama cleaned up a six hundred mile stretch of the snake river just by watching the guy walk a tightrope near the grand canyon on TV.
Don’t forget lowering the sea level.
Fortunately we haven’t yet arrived at “Barack will force you to work”.
Oh, and world peace. He did that, too. He even got a prize for it.
ABC, we edit reality so you don’t have to see it.
Every time Obama gets a birdie on the golf course, another 1% of the population gains health insurance for pre-existing conditions.
“Don’t forget lowering the sea level. ”
Naturally. That happens whenever Michelle goes to Martha’s Vineyard with a hanker’in for lobster.
abc likes nbc’s ratings
oh dear other msm notice
Did ABC misrepresent ‘pro-Trayvon’ juror’s remarks?
“Oh, and world peace”
You sound skeptical. Does taking women out of the whole concept of marriage not signal the end of the war on women?
Obama both struck a blow against the patriarchy, and strengthened manhood through the encouragement of man love. Can you not feel the bigotry against children ebbing away?!
you raised the son of a bitch take ownership a-hole
Trayvon Martin’s Mother Devastated to Hear Zimmerman Juror Say ‘We Felt He Was Guilty’
Massad Ayoob begs to differ and he knows of what he speaks.
That’s part 1 of 8. Read them all via the links at the top of the post.
when do “fruit” and sybrina take ownership of trayvon?
Of course, all the pre-mentioned achievements are as nothing compared to the big guy’s command over the weather.
Most people are not aware, but Obama has prevented most of the calamity portrayed in AlGores movie by bringing the thunder and lightning to the presidential bed and the first lady therein.
Acts of God pale in comparison to the blessings Michelle enjoys…
OK, y’all still want to talk about Zimmerman.
I really don’t get it, but, knock yourselves out.
the scheme team exposed thank you conservative treehouse
-In portions of the interview released prior to airtime, Maddy, said she didn’t think the case should have gone to trial.
“I felt like this was a publicity stunt,” she told Roberts. “This whole court service thing to me was publicity.”-
link
Trayvon’s parents? Completely blameless. Perfect parents, never for a minute could anyone question their ability to raise a kid. All the antisocial behavior he demonstrated? What, were they supposed to take him to church, or keep him away from bad influences? Too much to ask! 50’s thinking, that.
Re: Pablo 9:25 pm
Part 3 gives a nice summary of the events of that evening.
zimmerman is like a two weeks ago thing
this week was high speed death train
Yes, it’s a well known fact people that go to church are without sin.
Also, judgment is ours, God backs us up.
“Yes, it’s a well known fact people that go to church are without sin”
well they ain’t doing lean: arizona watermelon, skittles and rubotison. hey tray 2 out of 3 that night!!11!! dude.
People need to fucking grow a soul and figure out Trayvon doesn’t need to be evil for Zimmerman to be not guilty.
Damn I’m glad all my sins aren’t in the national eye for judgment. It would be unbearable now, I can’t even wrap my head around at seventeen.
Trayvon, through stupidity, harmed himself Lee (quite apart from the harm he did to Zimmerman). If he isn’t evil to us, he can still be taken to have been evil to his own now vanished interests in a life yet to be lived.
“well they ain’t doing lean: arizona watermelon, skittles and rubotison. hey tray 2 out of 3 that night!!11!! dude. ”
Cast that first stone.
Zimmerman isn’t going to go away, no matter how much we (and he) may want him to. He’s like Emmanuel Goldstein that way.
Sdferr, there, but by the grace of God, go I…
I get ya, as we’ve most all been stupid many times and slipped the worst consequences, whether by sheer luck or worse. But we won’t do better now to obscure the choices the fellow made.
“Cast that first stone.”
i will: trayvon was 200 miles away from his “home” the night of the incident.
“fruit” and sybrina no where to be found. eff them and the sharpton.
Again, Martin doesn’t need to be evil for Zimmerman to be not guilty.
But he was evil, is the point. Need’s got nothing to do with it.
Trayvon just wasn’t wasn’t as lucky as me newrouter, he didn’t have a father that beat his ass with vigor for shoplifting at 14, and so did worse at seventeen.
It’s not to late to demonize the father you know, along with a score of others acting badly through tis affair. Attacking Trayvon at this point is just petty…
“Again, Martin doesn’t need to be evil”
trayvon was a wicked dude passed between multiple “owners”. he and they sucked. now the “owners” are trying to make money off of trayvon.
Evil sdferr?OK.
“It’s not to late to demonize the father you know”
only “demonizing” the bra crowd. eff sharpton, jackson, naacp. eff them all.
Seventeen and dumb. A commenter, Mike_C, on this excellent Larry Correia essay had something to say about that argument:
Sin teaching isn’t so useful in this instance I think, for want of applicability. Sucker punching someone doing him no harm is a simple if passing evil. It’s not a judgment on the entirety of his life, but on the act. An act which is plainly not needful.
“now the “owners” are trying to make money off of trayvon. ”
And for the love of God, Quit helping them!
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”
yea the scheme team hears you! don’t be stupid
“And for the love of God, Quit helping them!”
exposing their lies is helping them. gottcha.
Evil is as evil does, my mama always sez.
Not really, but you get the idea.
OK, keep saying the boy deserved to die, it’s on you.
When I was seventeen, I drank a six pack of Bud with the guy’s after work and took off for home in my Old’s. Luckily the cops busted me for DUI before my evil ass killed a whole family on the road. They shoulda just shot my evil ass.
The boy deserved to stop punching George Zimmerman after the first blow, and thereby claim his victory. He deserved to prance around vaunting in the triumphant manner of M. Ali, fully understanding he’d already struck his blow for freedom from slavishness. Instead, he chose to continue his felonious assault long after it was plain that whitey wasn’t going to fight back . . . until he did. Schade.
I’d not be as hard on TM’s parents if they’d just once publicly admit that they, personally, screwed up and could’ve done differently. Instead, they seek to focus the national conversation to mask their own shortcomings. Sackcloth and ashes mixing with crocodile’s tears, seems to me.
Also, the whole country was deprived of examining all my life’s sins and condemning me to my timely death.
A miscarriage of justice I tells ya.
“OK, keep saying the boy deserved to die, it’s on you.”
too much strawman. he was an out of control teen. the “parents” placed him 200 miles from his “home”. are you really so dense?
Sdferr, on TV the MMA fighters keep punching until the ref makes them stop. Maybe call them evil. Calling a dead kid evil for doing what he sees on TV seems kinda counter productive.
It isn’t counterproductive of getting to the truth of the matter. Pettifogging away the deed is far more counterproductive of any honest aim.
But you didn’t beat another guy’s head with a sidewalk, did you? That sort of activity gets one killed nowadays.
“. Calling a dead kid evil for doing what he sees on TV seems kinda counter productive.”
’cause beating a person into the concrete is what: islam? trayvon was on a bad angle and his “parents” did not care. these “parents” should be hiding their faces in shame. but no they be proclaiming dat they be dissed. eff bra.
“he was an out of control teen. the “parents” placed him 200 miles from his “home”. are you really so dense? ”
OK, I’m dense. Explain to me using small words what you hope to gain by selling the narrative that Trayvon was an evil man that deserved to die.
Keep in mind that people like me agree Zimmerman should never have even gone to trial, but feel it was a tragedy Trayvon was killed.
You think you’ll convince me it wasn’t a tragedy?
If you were drunk and intent on running over a bunch on nuns in the crosswalk because “why them bitches gotta be in my way?” I would hope that the cops would shoot you.
To be honest.
And really the question isn’t “did Trayvon Martin deserve to die?” The question is “did George Zimmerman deserve to get beat senseless or worse at the hands of Trayvon Martin?”
And that isn’t really the question either. The question is “would a Reasonable Man be justified in using deadly force to save himself from grievous bodily harm?”
The jury said yes.
What happened to Martin is immaterial.
And I’m sorry, but that MMA comparison was just stupid. Where was the ref to tell Martin to stop?
Maybe neighborhood watch people need to form SWAT teams so when they follow people home in the night they are always safe from people not wishing to be followed home in the night.
“Explain to me using small words what you hope to gain by selling the narrative that Trayvon was an evil man that deserved to die.”
stop with the O! straw man. i don’t do “narratives”. the truth is trayvon was 200 miles away that night from his “home”. his “parents” passed him back and forth. he was a “troubled” teen who needed attention. he acted out a stupidly that left him dead. get the facts right.
This seems to begin to run very far afield from tragedy in any sense, strict or loose, taking on instead a somewhat more querulous aspect of comedy.
I think what happened was a tragedy
for Zimmerman.
I understand what you are saying , Lee.
It was only about Martin and Zimmerman for just a little bit. That was act one.
The trial was act two.
Now we are in act three.
It’s a different game.
“Maybe neighborhood watch people need to form SWAT teams so when they follow people home in the night they are always safe from people not wishing to be followed home in the night.”
you are not that stupid i hope. mr. lean was the problem. he had the skittles and watermelon drink no? a little Robitussin for the lean.
Not wanting to be followed home doesn’t give you the right to double back, lie in wait, and then ambush/sucker-punch your follower.
You go inside your “home,” lock the door and call the damn police.
Better yet, you stop talking to your gal pal and call the police.
An awful thing it is when a 17-y/o’s life ends. What should happen to prevent a repeat of this sort of tragedy? Taking guns away from American citizens isn’t the answer. Instead of that, let’s have a national debate on lifestyle choices and cultural influences. Bottom line: Bad Parenting Sucks!
Why Judge Nelson Was Wrong to Exclude Martin’s Cell Phone Evidence
He was stupid in his actions but he had been coddled and left unpunished for stupid actions before so in his mind what was stupid wasn’t as it worked to gain what he wanted from others.
Not punishing the little stupidities, like not policing the broken windows, leads to greater and greater stupidities until finally something or someone does finally punish the last stupidity. The long the wait until it happens the greater the punishment can, and probably will be.
The job of parents is to punish the little stupidities so that the great ones likely don’t happen later on. Life is probabilities and you don’t always know what is stupid to do till it’s too late and the price is due.
“Not wanting to be followed home doesn’t give you the right to double back, lie in wait, and then ambush/sucker-punch your follower.”
I don’t know the story is that, er, black and white. We only have the Hispanic version to go by.
“You go inside your “home,” lock the door and call the damn police.”
You do that if that’s your zone. Zimmerman, for instance, could also have done that. Me, if I see someone following me home, I might circle back and ask questions. And I think it’s a shame we no longer allow duels, so a beat down when deserved isn’t out of the question as far as I’m concerned.
You can go ahead and pretend I’m condemning Zimmermans actions despite my many, many statements otherwise if you want, but after awhile it begins to feel like BS.
“The job of parents is to punish the little stupidities so that the great ones likely don’t happen later on.”
not so much at the naacp/sharpton folks these days. see detroit. proggtardia.
“Me, if I see someone following me home, I might circle back and ask questions. ”
do you drink “lean”?
Bad Parenting sucks.
Bad schooling sucks.
Bad policing sucks.
Bad pop-culture sucks
Gangsta Rap sucks
Thug Life sucks
keepin’ it real, yo sucks
Bad government policies that promote dependency, entitlement and resentement suck
Having to shoot a violent ignoramus whose life was fucked from the go –and then have your community turn on you when all you were doing (you thought) was being a stand up guy by trying to help the police help you keep your neighborhood a good place to live?
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pricelessprecious“. . . if I see someone following me home, I might circle back and ask questions.”
Sure, like say: “Greetings, stranger. [extends hand in gesture of friendship] I take you for a man of substance, seeing your truck, and of purpose, seeing you rapt attention to my movements here these last few minutes. But come, tell me your father’s name and I’ll tell you mine. Then say, do you intend me ill or well? If ill, you will not profit by it; if well, then take kindliness in return.”
So conversing they learn one another’s story, and part company assured nothing untoward will pass between them that night.
One of my favorite movie lines: “I don’t guess it’s much of a crime to whack a surly barkeep”…
My understanding, which is admittedly second to third hand, is that Martin was in his backyard according, I think to Jeantel, per what she said to Piers Morgan.
This shooting happened because Trayvon Martin made it happen.
Stupid? Evil? Stupid and Evil? Doesn’t matter. Zimmerman was the victim, not Martin.
“One of my favorite movie lines: “I don’t guess it’s much of a crime to whack a surly barkeep”
yes assault is ok with you.
“Sure, like say: …”
Or, alternately, Zimmerman coulda introduced himself to young Martin, newly in the neighborhood, and attempted to enlist his help in crime fighting and genealogy. Instead of following him and calling the cops for the crime of walking in the rain. After all Zimmerman knew NOTHING of Martin, much less that he was committing a crime or thinking about it.
What happened was a tragedy, not a Captain America cartoon.
I feel the same way about your efforts to, if not apologize, then to at least contextualize, Trayvon Martin’s actions.
“My understanding, which is admittedly second to third hand, is that Martin was in his backyard according, I think to Jeantel, per what she said to Piers Morgan. ”
I heard something about Martin being worried a perv was following him home and he was worried not just for himself, but the younger kids living at the residence.
“yes assault is ok with you.”
It has it’s place. Think the US should disband the military rather than risk stupid shit like helping the Muslim Brotherhood?
” After all Zimmerman knew NOTHING of Martin”
Star Witness’ in Zimmerman Trial Testifies: ‘That’s Real Retarded, Sir’
Zimmerman coulda introduced himself to young Martin
Did you notice that this common sense sort of conduct is fairly strictly prohibited to the practitioners of the formal Neighborhood Watch program? Zimmerman, as I’ve written before, is nothing if not a dedicated rule follower, so our reasonable common sense expectation in this instance wouldn’t be consonant with the rule he’s following. Recall too, he was upbraided by the prosecution at trial for “breaking” this rule, despite the fact that he didn’t break it!
Hubris followed by nemesis.
The verdict should have been cathartic.
But it wasn’t it.
“What happened was a tragedy”
no stupid “parents” who put a troubled teen 200 miles away from “home” and he be looking for lean dat nite.
Ernst, I think Zimmerman was justified by the circumstances. My sense of humanity is offended by the need of some to find extra justification through the demonization of what was only stupidity, and the general feeling of joy at Matins death, as if the hand of God himself struck down Satan.
This is no cause for triumph, and to make noises like it is is unseemly.
IMO…
“It has it’s place. Think the US should disband the military rather than risk stupid shit like helping the Muslim Brotherhood? ”
do you like arizona watermelon or the arnold palmer lemonade drink with your “lean”?
Same caveat applying, my perception is that part of the phone conversation happened while Martin was in his father’s girlfriend’s backyard.
Of course, since it’s all inferrence and implication on Jeantel’s part, she may very well have inferred his location too.
Bad tactics all around. But Martin’s were worst.
” demonization of what was only stupidity, and the general feeling of joy at Matins death, as if the hand of God himself struck down Satan.”
pretty much eff u.
” demonization of what was only stupidity, and the general feeling of joy at Matins death, as if the hand of God himself struck down Satan.”
we be axing his “parents” : where the eff are they when he was alive”? clown
Except that the evidence on Martin’s cell-phone suggests that it was more than (or not just) stupidity on his part.
And I’m not picking up on the joy you are. My sense of the sense of things (at least around here) is more along the lines of indifference to the passing of a low-life, contempt for the parents who failed to keep him from becoming a low-life, and scorn for the system that, in the name of compassion, set them up to fail.
“Did you notice that this common sense sort of conduct is fairly strictly prohibited to the practitioners of the formal Neighborhood Watch program?”
I did not, neither did I see the incident at trial you mention.
I also didn’t know Zimmerman was “elected” to his position. My understanding of neighborhood watch was it was not so formal.
Anyway, where I’m coming from is I can see both positions being justified, depending on what was said by whom at the moment of the confrontation. As it so happens, we only have Zimmermans account, but that doesn’t mean he was all sunshine and light at the confrontation. As is, I don’t have a problem with the outcome, but I’m loath to make improvable accusations against Martin after he is no longer around to object.
Seems to me the situation at this point is like Wargames. The only winning move is to not play the game (h/t BT).
greetings from anti/proggtardia
” indifference to the passing of a low-life, contempt for the parents who failed to keep him from becoming a low-life, and scorn for the system that, in the name of compassion, set them up to fail. “
I only today learned that Zimmerman took and passed a lie detector exam. Never heard it before, though it’s irrelevant in the main anyhow. On the whole though, observing him as closely as I could, he doesn’t seem to have made anything up.
Also, derision for a legal system that can be so easily maneuvered by obviously political considerations, despite its pretensions to the contrary.
I’ve run out synonyms to describe the feeling towards the local, state and federal officials involved.
“but I’m loath to make improvable accusations against Martin after he is no longer around to object.”
don’t be the stupid dude. trayvon’s shit was collected on the internet like your last comment. trayvon be a stupid mfer “no limit nigga” per trayvon
We never get the testimony of murder victims at murder trials either, but that doesn’t seem to stop us from trying and convicting murderers.
And it seems to me that at the moment of confrontation, Martin was letting his fists do his talking. With a little input from the pavement, for added emphasis.
Zimmerman got the message and replied in an appropriate manner.
Best not get involved. What happens in your neighborhood is above your paygrade. Leave it to the professionals. From the State. Who are only there to help you.
Zimmerman is no longer on trial. Continuing to prosecute Trayvon now will not help Zimmerman. On the contrary.
By all means, go after the miserable fucks who forced the trial in the first place, but demonizing Trayvon, regardless whether you think it justified, will only play into the hands of those that deserve the greatest condemnation.
Get a grip Ernst, you’re embarrassing yourself.
“Best not get involved. What happens in your neighborhood is above your paygrade. Leave it to the professionals. From the State. Who are only there to help you”
A) regarding BT, you are talking 1st stage when we’re talking third stage.
B) Ernst Schreiber says July 26, 2013 at 11:03 pm You go inside your “home,” lock the door and call the damn police.”
the truth has no agenda
“By all means, go after the miserable fucks who forced the trial in the first place, but demonizing Trayvon, regardless whether you think it justified, will only play into the hands of those that deserve the greatest condemnation. ”
the truth is trayvon’s “parents” suck weiner/sharpton dick
“Get a grip Ernst, you’re embarrassing yourself. ”
projection clown?
trayvon “parents” out there spewing bs
“the truth is trayvon’s “parents” suck weiner/sharpton dick -”
Yep, and the list is long, from the “special” prosecutor, the lawyer Crump (who I find way more contemptible than the parents), Holder and his gang of organizers, and right on up to the president, his advisors, and the media that scripted the whole farce.
Compared to that mess of evil actors, Trayvon comes as close to a victim as Zimmerman in my view.
Zimmerman called the police, didn’t he?
And part of the third act is to actively discourage people from taking an active role in both their own protection and in the protection of their neighbors by making an example of Zimmerman. In other words, the process is not merely the punishment, but the object lesson for the encouragement of the rest.
” Trayvon comes as close to a victim as Zimmerman in my view. ”
you be retarded sir
Trayvon Martin’s mother to speak in Philadelphia
eff trayvon and his bitch
Whatever. I see now Alinsky rules the right as well as the left now.
Just don’t forget, as much fun as rule five is, and as effective as twelve, rule seven can become a drag.
Me, I’m pretty much on my own anymore….
I think Martin’s been cast as the victim so he can be exploited by the usual suspects for their purposes. Which, as per usual in these cases of social justice, are neither social, nor just.
But the responsibility for the actions that got Martin killed that night lies with Martin.
”
LBascom says July 27, 2013 at 12:47 am”
why was sybrina fulton and “fruit” martin’s kid 200 miles away that night? answer that “know it all”
Why, because he was evil of course. It’s important that you educate America on the evilness of Martin, what so you have justification for your ideology. Press on man, press on!
He was the victim of his parents indifference to his welfare and proper upbringing?
Too easy. Pastors kids can go wild and end up in prison, drug addict losers can inspire their kid to achieve great success though not wanting to be like them. Blaming parents is often simplistic I think.
All I can say is I feel blessed I got to be a kid back in the olden days. Todays culture has really stacked the deck in a bad way I think…
I regard the brayings of The First Clydesdale with about as much contempt as I do Ø’Vomit’s….
there is no penalty for lying so, tell the folks what they want hear
The white Hispanic should have shot the unarmed minority child.
El Paso police officer dies after severe beating
Our black Caucasian president thinks so.
“Having to shoot a violent ignoramus whose life was fucked from the go”
Yes. Being “named” “Trayvon” by a “mother” “named” “Sybrina” (the type of “mother” whose first reaction to her son being killed is to run out and trademark his name), he had two strikes against him at birth, maybe three.
Running around dressed as a thug didn’t help, either. Columnist Clarence Page (both black and ultraliberal) once explained to his own son why the son wasn’t going to be leaving the house dressed “gangsta” style: “Son, if you see a man wearing a clown suit, you assume he’s a clown. If you see a man wearing a thug suit, you assume he’s a thug.”
I haven’t seen anything from Page about St. Trayvon, though, so maybe his opinion has changed.
Doesn’t matter, though. Martin was old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. He chose wrong, and paid the price for it.
” And I think it’s a shame we no longer allow duels, so a beat down when deserved isn’t out of the question as far as I’m concerned. ”
Maybe some kid will “duel” your head on the pavement a few times (no doubt just being a kid) and you can be a hero by taking the beating and hoping he has a “stop, he’s had enough” instinct that coincides with your well being.
St. Trayvon was old enough to join the military if his “mother” had signed off. He was hardly a chile.
A victim of his parent’s indifference to their responsibility to ensure he had his first 18 years tucked properly under his belt. Martin and Fulton should have stayed Martinized and finished their common task.
Zimmerman is no longer on trial. Continuing to prosecute Trayvon now will not help Zimmerman. On the contrary.
Then you might desire to explain this to the actual prosecutor Angela Corey, Lee, since she is more than willing to play a word association game for nationally broadcast television on George Zimmerman’s name and character, labeling him “murderer” for purposes of her answer. And only look how Robin Roberts thinks to assert “some have said he got away with murder” in her interview with the juror B29! Isn’t that convenient?
But you know no one is prosecuting Trayvon in any meaningful sense. If, on the other hand, people refuse to whitewash his deeds, take that for a good faith effort as simply standing for the truth of the matter as they understand it. (And if you do encounter some vicious talk somewhere, call it out where it’s right to do.) It’s better, as it seems to me, that people should refuse to deny what’s plain to them, should refuse to spout nonsense where they can, should refuse to fuel an empty narrative of falsehoods about the sad incident which resulted in Martin’s death.
Don’t you mean to whispanic his deeds ? Zimmerman did that for him, quite properly I’d say.
Trayvon’s parents and other interested parties are the ones who have made a cottage industry out of beatifying a punk kid who brought a sidewalk to a gunfight. Really, is the desired outcome here that Zimmerman’s life be one long misery in which he regrets that Martin didn’t succeed in smearing his brains all over the dog walk? I submit that the people suggesting that Zimmerman did wrong have never themselves been in a situation wherein they are in fear of their life. GZ was fortunate to have deadly force at his disposal since Martin was hell-bent on killing him.
. . . since Martin was hell-bent on killing him.
This isn’t within our ken, leigh. In the heat of the situation (as we understand it according to the testimony), Zimmerman thought this was so. But he does not know it was so, nor do we. In fact, I utterly doubt that this was Martin’s view of the thing. That is, I doubt he had any such intention, but, fool that he was, couldn’t see the matter from the point of view of his beat-down victim. Trayvon was dealing out fear, not suffering from fear at the time.
I stand corrected. It was Zimmerman’s perception that Martin was hell-bent on killing him. People have been killed before by a punch to the head without the aid of a sidewalk for back-up.
People have been killed before by a punch to the head without the aid of a sidewalk for back-up.
This is so. It’s another reason not to sucker punch someone who isn’t harming the sucker puncher, since for all the sucker puncher knows the person whose head he hits (with an ordinarily non-fatal blow) just happens to have a vascular deformity in his brain teetering on the brink of eruption from any blow. And we’ve even got a class of unintentional but culpable homicide for such situations.
If you don’t intend to kill a man, don’t tell him you’re going to die tonight while giving him a bit of the ol’
ultra-viground and pound.Leigh was correct the first time.
I disagree that Leigh was correct, but do agree that it’s a bad idea to spout the words “you’re going to die tonight”, though those words needn’t indicate an intention to murder. I’ve heard those words or their like spouted off in many a fight where there was only the intent to threaten and not to kill — so from that point of view they can’t alone establish Martin’s intention (if they were spoken at all, we have to add).
Well, legally it doesn’t matter what Martin thought he was doing. What matters is what Zimmerman thought Martin thought he was doing —and what a Reasonable Man would do under those circumstances.
And Martin said that while he was sitting on Zimmerman’s chest pummeling him in the face. So I think we’ve established Martin’s intention to cause grievous bodily harm.
That’s got it right Ernst. George has to make his decision without recourse to any distance in time or space whatsoever. We in turn judge he made the correct decision for the circumstance. And, I think, the correct decision even if Martin never said “you’re going to die tonight”, which words aren’t required to fulfill the decision Zimmerman made. What the stupid kid intended within himself isn’t relevant to the legal framework.
Moral of the story: Don’t put another man in fear for his life
–especially not an old* man.
*relatively speaking, so I could work in the admonition about getting into fights with old men.
I’m at the age where I’m not interested in any ritual fighting. If I have the chance the aggressor will likely be permanently damaged at a minimum. The eyes, for instance, are quite vulnerable.
Me, I fight like a girl. A girl who will leave you with a broken nose and busted nuts.
“That’s just mean.”
/James Coburn
By the way, I’d like to thank Pablo for the link to Massad ‘s take. The comments have been an education.
He noted dryly.
“especially not an old* man.”
“Never tease an old dog. He might still have one bite left.” — Robert A. Heinlein
“If I have the chance the aggressor will likely be permanently damaged at a minimum.”
Yes. Homey don’t play dat. Attack me and I’m going to do everything I can to make the attack stop. I won’t have the slightest qualms about how that might affect the aggressor.
“Maybe some kid will “duel” your head on the pavement a few times (no doubt just being a kid) and you can be a hero by taking the beating and hoping he has a “stop, he’s had enough” instinct that coincides with your well being. ”
Sorry, that was just weak. I’m not going to keep responding to disingenuous bullshit.
Let me refer to you back to what BT said above:
Continuing to try the case after it’s won is counter productive, The game now is to maintain the rights that saved Zimmerman, against an opposition that wants to paint those on our sided as trigger happy pussies ready to shoot anyone that makes us feel uncomfortable.
Just try not to help their case, is what I’m trying to get at.
In this new game, our side needs to be above the cynical monsters standing on Martins corpse to score political capitol, not fight over use the corpse.
The best way to maintain those rights is to never exercise them. That way, the statists never have an excuse to try to take them away.
That’s more about my comment about the comments on another blog than it is about Lee’s comment, by the way.
Are you taking aim at that Dave guy Ernst (at Massoud’s blog), or someone else?
Massad’s I meant. Boy howdy did I jumble that name. Apologies.
They’ll soon be lining up the next possible corpse. Paging Al, Jesse and Eric! Outrage for Cash Cleanup in New Orleans!
Then again it was all foreseen over 50 years ago.
serr8d, attempted second degree murder in that New Orleans case is even stupider than charging Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder. It was a stranger trespassing in his yard for heavens sake.
I could maybe see manslaughter, though it’s hard to say without a whole bunch more facts. Attempted murder? That’s just a ploy to get a plea deal is my guess.
Black leaders should address this uptick in their yoots acting the thug.
Only questions are do Crump & Parker [mal]practice law in Louisiana and how fast can their computer animation guys get a series of outrageous looking racial shooting cartoons that have some truthyness in them together for Charlie Rose and the CBS morning show? A week? Two?
Big for 14.
Local writeup.
This one won’t do, everyone is “white hispanic” it appears.
Here’s the third act take away from the Legal Insurrection account serr8d linked:
Mission accomplished.
Ooh! A quote from Geoff’s Robert Farrago link:
From geoff’s link:
“He would steal — he was a professional thief, sure,” David Coulter said. “But he would never pick up a gun, not in a million years. He was too scared to aim a gun at the grass, let alone aim it at a person. No way. Before he’ll ever pick up a gun, he’ll be your friend first.
“He’s still a little boy,” the brother said. “Who pulls a trigger on a 14-year-old? What if it was your little brother or your sister? How would you feel?”
But Landry’s neighbors and friends said they could understand where Landry’s actions. They said that Landry, who has a pregnant wife and baby daughter, believed the teen was trying to break into his house.
“Merritt is a friend. I can’t blame him one bit,” Charles Hazouri said. “He’s got a family. You’ve got to protect your own.”
What is sad is this is all so predictable.
Progressive policies create chaos.
Create a culture of entitlement, add high unemployment and stir in a heavy shot of class envy, baste in an atmosphere of abortion rights that degrades the sanctity of life, increase the heat on any sign of racial differences, and destabilize the whole mess with selective enforcement of law.
Things are only going to get worse, and we haven’t even begun to enjoy the after dinner amnesty and international fireworks coming soon.
Sleep tight kids…
While you still can protect yourself.
Because “lies about” isn’t nice I guess.
Oh, Michigan’s SYG is almost identical to Florida’s.
AP looking to acquire lists of CCW holders. Montana for sure but all others quite likely.
Because that worked out so well in New York.
Let’s do away with the secret ballot while we’re at it.
let’s just not vote and go get tasty breakfast creations from Bea Bea’s instead
that’s what I’m gonna do
I mean c’mon… green tea pancakes with white chocolate fuck yeah
Now, if this lady happens to blow somebody away in self-defense, you can be pretty sure that it was anything but.
A tragedy is something awful [usually fatal] one brings upon oneself [hence: The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark].
Therefore, Trayvon Martin is tragic. George Zimmerman is not – at this point in time [if he lets the case get to him and allow it to destroy himself, then – and only then – will he be tragic].
Apologies. There are certain words whose misuse in this Careless Age really, really bug me [another example: ‘great’ or, most especially, the old, wonderful word ‘gay’].
I think there’s something tragic about George Zimmerman trying to be a civic minded, stand-up guy, and then have all of this happen to him.
That “lady” Ernst, is working at being the next Janet Cooke.
Zimmerman is in his buildup-to-tragedy stage. Whether by assailant’s bullet or knife, or by his own choosing, this will end tragically. We can but speculate what plot device delivers the coup de grâce.
“First Lady: Barack’s Working to Free Americans from ‘Any Form of Public Assistance’”
So, no more forms! Just walk in and say “I need public assistance Michelle. Bless you and Barack. Give me something and make it snappy.”
And what parent allows their kids to pedal the streets at 1:44 AM? In New Orleans fer Baal’s sake?
Landry’s already been given kisso’death by his employer, the City of New Orleans. Suspended without pay, and him with a pregnant wife. And no bloody skull to proffer.
AfterTrayvon one needs be mostly dead already to shoot a black yoot, no matter what time of night he comes calling all unexpectedly n’shit.
Pretty much, currently. Until they’ve got enough CHANGE to suit them, or all’s left in the stewpot are boiled rats. Then and only then will the bad habits of entitlement junkies be broken.
I was always taught that you made sure the guy who was breaking into your house, that you shot, fell inside the house. Makes Castle Doctrine easier to claim.
Time was — at its origin, say — tragedy exclusively spoke of the highest sort of man, the noblest, the most honorable men, men worthy of emulation — godlike men, but not gods, the poets would sometimes call them. The art pointed to those characteristics which made these men great men, exemplary men. It sought to show how these high qualities together with high motives were themselves the inescapable cause of the ruin of this exemplary man or that. But in those old times people believed that there were higher men and lower, great men and vulgar men — and over them all, gods, nature and necessity.
What we face is something else altogether. There are no gods, for starters. There is hardly a nature in the teleological sense in which the ancients viewed it. Man has been raised by science (which bids all men put away the gods — and with them, tragedy, we may suspect) to become his own exclusive concern, yet simultaneously lowered by science to become merely another object of study no more worthy in any inherent sense than a speechless stone or blind worm in the earth.
Trayvon isn’t an honorable man raised to any measure of emulation, but an ordinary or commonplace vulgar man met with an indecently sudden end. He may possibly have been fit to be considered as a third rate warrior (of whom there were plenty) in the Achaean camp at Troi, but such men, as individuals, are utterly invisible to us at the poet’s hands. So it’s quite a stretch to insist on a narrower (and perfectly justifiable!) account of tragedy while upending tragedy itself — unless the upsidedown irony was intended to begin with, of course. Which, that‘s almost comedy — but not comedy (it’s closer to a Platonic drama, actually).
Geoffb, that’s why I speculated above he might be guilty of manslaughter. It becomes a little harder to claim self defense when you aren’t on your back getting your head beat against concrete.
sdferr, the misuse of language in common currency makes me crazy. Ariel Castro, Cleveland kidnapper and rapist, is no “gentlemen”, Miss Newsreader. Jody Arias, plotting, over killing murderess in Arizona is not a “young lady”.
I don’t see why Landry’s claim to self defense is suspect. He confronts juvenile delinquent punk in his locked, fenced yard in the early hours of the morning. He hollers at him. JDP swipes a hand toward his own hip, as if to go for a weapon. Landry shots him.
JDP has a long criminal record. His own brother says “He was a professional thief, sure”. That’s a hell of a note. JDP is 14 and his family is cool with him having a record and being a thief because he wouldn’t “never in a million years pick up a gun”. How do they know that? When he graduates to armed robbery, car-jacking and rape? Do they buy him a cake and throw a party? Or just plan out the tribute t-shirts for when he goes home to Jesus?
Because Landry is a
blackwhite man, and you know how those people get when they’e aroundwhite womenblack yutes.I give up
Well, other than that, Ernst. I’m beginning to suspect that the justice system is the problem, not safety minded citizens.
“Heidi’s World” or “Heidi’s Hilarous Monkey-Fishing Misadventure” Geoff?
Either works. My suspicion is that there is very little actual truth to her whole series outside of “the” and “and.”
Those could be lies too, if she is of the Lillian Hellmann school of writing.
“Ernst Schreiber says July 28, 2013 at 11:05 am”
Yeah, that’s it.
Or not.
I pretty much feel the same way when a cop shoots someone because they mistake a phone for a gun. Skin color aside. I think, “jeez dude, maybe you outta be kinda more careful who you shoot. Perhaps they shouldn’t let you carry a gun, and transfer you to payroll.”
Also, please note I’ve taken pains to make no declarative statements and noted the need for more facts. Is the implication here self defense should not be suspect, it should be accepted at face value, with no investigation needed?
Maybe it’s just me, but when I’ve had cops point guns at me, I’ve kept my hands where they could see them, and I’ve tended not to go into other people’s fenced-in yards uninvited at any time of day, and look at me now — walking around, alive and everything.
I must be weird or something.
Of course there should be an investigation. That is the job of the police whenever there is a shooting. However, should Landry have been placed on unpaid leave from his job with the City of New Orleans when he has a pregnant wife and child to support and most likely a mortgage and other bills to pay while the investigation is ongoing? Is there precedent for that? And if so why? Police officers involved in shooting an unarmed citizen are automatically placed on administrative duties with pay or placed on leave with pay. Citizens, especially those who are employed by the city, should be afforded that same courtesy.
“I was always taught that you made sure the guy who was breaking into your house, that you shot, fell inside the house.”
I always heard it as “drag him inside”. Bad idea, given the state of modern forensics.
“when I’ve had cops point guns at me, I’ve kept my hands where they could see them”
“I am reaching…into…my…pocket…for…my…license. ‘Cause I don’t wanna be no motherfucking accident.” — Richard Pryor
Chris Rock shares helpful hints.
I’ve never had a cop point a gun at me.
I am under the impression though, when a cop does shoot someone they do an investigation. Rumor has it, the cop isn’t always in the right.
“I always heard it as “drag him inside”. Bad idea, given the state of modern forensics.”
Yeah, surveillance cameras everywhere make that kinda iffy too. It’s getting hard to get away with anything these days…
It was supposed to be a sarcastic observation about how the the subjects and objects of stereotypes change yet the stereotypes remain consistent. But I fucked up the html and crapped all over myself.
Didn’t I?
Personally I’d like to see the Castle Doctrine extended to your enclosed property. If somebody’s inside your fenced-in yard at zero-dark-thiry, you ought to have the same right to presume they’re there to do harm to you and yours as you have when they’re in your living room.
drudge headline
WEINER VOWS TO STICK IT OUT
“Sorry, that was just weak. I’m not going to keep responding to disingenuous bullshit. ”
Most of what you’ve posted here on this topic has been weak and disingenuous bullshit Lee.
I really don’t know how often police shootings are not found to be justified, but I’d be willing to place a small bet (like a six-pack of the cheapest domestic beer small) that a police officer shooting an unarmed teen in a enclosed yard at 2:00 am is more likely to not face charges than a homeowner.
It’s a safe bet that they didn’t scale your very tall locked fence by accident. Plus, Landry was alerted to an intruder by his trusty dog’s barking.
Locked gate. Barking dog. Porch/motion detector lights. Suspicious armed home-owner. All signals that one should surrender any evil intent and not make any hasty moves.
Any of this noxiously infantile, fucking horse shit sound familiar you you Lee?
LBascom says July 26, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Yes, it’s a well known fact people that go to church are without sin.
Also, judgment is ours, God backs us up.
LBascom says July 26, 2013 at 10:05 pm
People need to fucking grow a soul and figure out Trayvon doesn’t need to be evil for Zimmerman to be not guilty.
Damn I’m glad all my sins aren’t in the national eye for judgment. It would be unbearable now, I can’t even wrap my head around at seventeen.
It’s quite possible for GZ to be guilty of shooting TM without any malice aforethought. It is equally possible that TM was an evil kid.
palaeomerus, you’re so cute when you’re angry.
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