And the “common sense” affront by government on rights upon which the government supposedly cannot infringe, continues apace:
The California Senate on Wednesday approved a package of seven gun control bills, including background checks for people who buy ammunition, introduced in response to the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
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The measures include a requirement that Californians who want to buy ammunition, and the vendors who sell it, would have to submit personal information for a background check to determine whether they have a criminal record, severe mental illness or a restraining order that would disqualify them from owning guns.
The goal of SB 53 is “to ensure that criminals and other dangerous individuals cannot purchase ammunition in the state of California,” said Sen. Kevin De Leon (D-Los Angeles), the bill’s author.
“To purchase a product that has the potential to maim or kill another human being you can (now) walk into a gun store, no questions asked,” he added. “I think that’s a little outrageous.”
Ammunition purchasers would submit their information and a $50 fee to the state Department of Justice which would maintain a list of qualified buyers that would be checked by ammo stores. Purchasers would have to show their driver’s license or other ID at the time they buy bullets.
Sen. Jim Nielsen (R-Gerber) opposed the measure as too broad. “We are criminalizing legal, historic behavior in the state of California and putting onerous burdens and regulations and requirements on law-abiding citizens.”
— Clearly unconstitutional. On its face.
Sen. Roderick Wright of Inglewood was one of four Democrats to vote against the bill. He said the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to own guns. “Implied in that is the right to buy the ammo to go with it,” Wright said before the 22-14 vote.
The Senate also approved a bill that would outlaw the sale, purchase and manufacture in California of semiautomatic rifles that can accept detachable magazines. SB 374 also would require those who own such weapons to register them with the state.
— Also clearly unconstitutional on its face, not to mention tries to put into law a registry, which we all know — including the leftists (and the new-breed “conservatives” like Joe Scarborough) who sneer at such a notion — is a necessary precondition for confiscation.
I don’t live in California. But if I did. I’d be buying my own cartridge press equipment, if I could afford it, and I certainly wouldn’t register any of my weapons with the state.
As with several of the Colorado laws, which I have no intention of following, what we are seeing here is a government concerned with safety — it’s own, not that of “the children” — making moves to strip any last vestiges of independence and natural rights from a free people in order to ease their transition into subjecthood. And those who are being constantly molested are the most law abiding, because it is they who tend also to be the least dependent on government.
Everywhere you look, from the IRS to the EPA to HHS, it is those groups who adhere to traditional American beliefs — be it over free market capitalism, religious liberty, or limited government and constitutionalism — which have been quite deliberately and systematically targeted. This is in concert with attempts by the media and popular culture to marginalize them as “far-right extremists” who “obstruct” a government that without them runs almost on auto pilot, growing bigger, spending more, creating ever new laws and regulations, regardless of the nominal party in power.
Again, I can’t speak for Californians. But were it me? I’d be readying myself for some large scale civil disobedience.
We are living in the void of Constitutional authority — with leftists implementing laws that the courts must then catch up with. In the interim, your rights are suspended, your liberty can be taken, and your property can be confiscated.
All of which is intended to send a message to you.
It’s time for the conservatives in California to renew their push for a two state solution. Because unlike the Palestinians, they truly are being targeted and tormented by a despotic foe.
(h/t geoff B)
I don’t live in California. But if I did. I’d be buying my own cartridge press equipment, if I could afford it, and I certainly wouldn’t register any of my weapons with the state.
This, and a three hour drive to Reno or Sparks for some purchases for me.
One of which must never, ever, ever be to criminalize unconstitutional legislation. To wit: When your law is deemed unconstitutional, out you go with penalties.
No, not that. Not in this country. I’d bet it’s never even been sponsored.
In California, you will be able to keep your (non-assault) gun, carry it around with you (in the privacy of your domicile), or even defend yourself with it (as long as your willing to use it like a club or bludgeon).
So in what sense will Califonia be denying your right to “keep and bear” arms?
/liberal
logicsophistryIt’s time for the conservatives in California to renew their push for a two state solution. Because unlike the Palestinians, they truly are being targeted and tormented by a despotic foe.
But *like the Israelis*, we are being targeted and tormented by a despotic foe.
I see curmudgeon already coverd this, but still:
Fireworks were mostly illegal in Minnesota when I lived there. Guess what was sold out of the back of pick-ups and semi-trailers just over the border in South Dakota?
And off of just about every highway or country road crossing the state line, too.
I sense a business opportunity for enterprising Arizonans and Nevadans.
It bears repeating that this has been the status quo in family “law” for years or decades.
It all starts at home. Government is a fractal of individual behavior. Progressivism is simply collectivised personal dysfunction:
I’m thinking that several thousand people marching around Sacramento with rifles and signs saying “WE WILL NOT SUBMIT!” would be a good start.
Just as long as it doesn’t end the same way the bonus march ended Squid.
I’m thinking that several thousand people marching around Sacramento with rifles and signs saying “WE WILL NOT SUBMIT!” would be a good start.
Even though they were agent provacateurs for the Left, it turns out The Black Panthers had a point back in 1967 after all.
What a lovely way to convince conservatives to leave the state thereby making it more likely that liberals will be elected. Wonder if that is the plan?
Arizona, New Mexico and Texas would benefit from an influx of conservatives to offset the influx of Hispandercrats.
What a lovely way to convince conservatives to leave the state thereby making it more likely that liberals will be elected. Wonder if that is the plan?
I am sure it is. But I wonder…
“Is there hope? Can there be honesty about our crises and courage to address them? If there is not to be assimilation and integration at the rate as in the past, then I sometime fantasize that a new conservative movement of second- and third-generation upper middle-class, over-taxed Mexican-Americans will demand competitive schools for their children without the fantasies of Chicano studies and coastal global warming indoctrination.
They will push for energy development, beefed-up law enforcement, and reasonable taxes and power rates, and so lock horns with the coastal elites, well apart from abortion, the death penalty, and the constant alternative lifestyle agenda. Some already are heading that way; more would if the borders were closed and the old forces of the melting pot were not impeded.
Or maybe change will come from the other end of the surreal coalition. I talk to young, high-end yupster couples and wonder how they can vote for 40% federal income taxes, 11% state income taxes, Obamacare, and payroll and Medicare surcharges on their hefty incomes when increasingly they don’t use the public schools. Or if they have children, they pay exorbitant prices for private schooling and coastal housing that anywhere else would be laughable. I don’t think Menlo-Atherton High School, or the average paving on any residential street in Palo Alto, or the security on Willow Avenue, or the square footage of the typical Menlo Park bungalow is all such a great deal for losing 55% of your income to the local, state, and federal redistributionists.
Will Howard Jarvis return, with Birkenstocks and ponytail?
Would some young visionary see that just a few ecologically correct new dams, and a well-run development of the Monterey shale formation, would enable vast new increases in California energy and agriculture — food and fuel are what sustains mankind — and launch another Gold Rush?
Then I wake up and accept that contemporary California is a quirk, one governed by a secular religion, a non-empirical belief system that postulates that natural gas is bad because it produces heat and that dams that store precious water are unnatural. So far the consequences of such thinking rarely boomerang on the cocooned fantasists.”
It looks like Mexico is winning a major battle in the Long War.
Ethnic cleansing continues apace, aided and abetted by their lefty American allies.
The veterans in the Bonus March were unarmed, Ernst. I don’t think “that dumb son-of-a-bitch” MacArthur would have attacked so eagerly had such not been the case. And I’m damn sure that the CHiPs ain’t gonna pick such a fight.
It’s one thing to show up with rifles. It’s another to show up with loaded ones.
Every firearm is loaded. It’s the first thing they teach you in safety classes.
I see State Police border roadblocks, but not with Mexico, and special micro-stamps required on the brass case of every cartridge sold in the State.
Possession of “out of State” ammo to be a felony which will then cause all your and your family’s firearms to be confiscated for your good and for the good of your neighbors.
Beat me while I typed the above and looked for an illustration.
Eric Holder
isdown with the struggle — until he became the Man.Why not? They already do that just to keep you from re-importing California grown fruit.
I expect the CHP to be as effective in preventing the spread of unstamped ammunition as the MN DNR is at containing Eurasian watermilfoil, by the way.
Add emeral ash-borers and mountain pine beetles to the list of things government’s done a bang-up job on.
Like Dutch-elm disease.
And the police academies, and SWAT certification training.
Of course, in some of the latter, every cell phone is also loaded — and every gun is pointed at you even if it’s locked in the trunk.
Time to open that Ferrets and Ammo store in Reno, NV.
Maybe it is just wishful thinking but, in the rush for gun grabbing, taxing, anti-fracking etc laws, the new Democratic super majority in CA is going to disappear very quickly.
They could restrain themselves but, the various legislatures no doubt want to try and get their pet projects through as soon as possible (kinda like OBamacare, damn the consequences).
This one had me puzzled, from the assembly: “gun control measure with Perez’s (gun owning legislator) support that would ban kits used to convert single-fire guns into semi-automatics”
WTF, never heard of such a thing. I think I figured it out but, really the stuff they come up with.
I’d like to see the kit that converts a break-action into a semi-auto.
Or a rolling block breech, or a drop breech, or something like a trapdoor springfield.
For that matter, somebody needs to come up with a belt-feed converter for a Remington 700. I got rid of the one I never had because I was tired of having to stop and reload the magazine after only three shots.
OK, here is what I think is meant, the reporter and the legislators being idiots.
I think what they mean is handguns that were semi-automatic to begin with and converted to single shot to pass CA import laws and then people will convert them back to semi-auto.
For those not living in CA, CA has a “roster of approved handguns”, if a manufacturer pays tribute to the state they will “test” the model handgun and approve or disapprove of its sale in CA. There is some kind of “single shot” exception for some types handguns, examples: hi-end target pistols, and I think single action revolvers are included in this exception. This apparently is seen as a “loophole” by some. An unapproved handgun is converted to single shot and sold in CA. The owner now converts it back to semi-auto with a “kit”.
What this has to do with mass shootings, I do not know. The roster is supposed to exists for firearm safety as in the gun won’t blow up in your hand or fire when dropped.
Solution: keep information about your firearms to yourself. How many millions of people are there just in Los Angeles, let alone the whole state? Needle in a haystack.
leigh, you’re right but, I was thinking, they would probably force gun ranges to keep a record of proof of registration for any firearm used at the facility. Everyone hunter would probably have to show proof to the rangers/wardens.
Fortunately I have a bit of redundancy built into my “cache”. If I want to practice, I would have to pick which guns I want to register and which I do not. Tough choice.
“I’d like to see the kit that converts a break-action into a semi-auto.”
Where is Rube Goldberg when we really need him?
I still wouldn’t worry, bgbear. I haven’t checked the numbers, but if California is in as big a pickle as Oregon, Mr. Ranger is probably cooling his heels in the unemployment line. One of my girlfriends took (forced) early retirement from the Forestry Service three years ago when she was 54. Half pension, too. At least her husband isn’t in any danger since he’s a doctor at Vacaville.
Solution: keep information about your firearms to yourself. How many millions of people are there just in Los Angeles, let alone the whole state? Needle in a haystack.
Unfortunately, the Commiecrats will just decide to send in their SWAT teams in on any “teabagger” after that.
You guys need Moses to lead you out of the wilderness.
safety in numbers, hoping they’ll run out of ammo before they get to me a grow weary of prying cold dead fingers.
You guys need Moses to lead you out of the wilderness.
Aye. Then again, if the latest Krazy Kim of North Korea just lobbed, accurately, four small atomic bombs–at SF, Oakland/Berkeley, West Hollywood, and South Central LA, this state would be cauterized. And perhaps with the prevailing westerly winds, Oakland/Berkeley could receive “the holy fallout” from an SF bomb.
At times I feel like those humanoids in “Beneath the Planet of the Apes,” while California goes Ape Shit.
(I keed, I keed…)
This law would be worrisome if there was still any ammo for sale.
I am glad we visit my mother in law twice a year in Idaho. I’ll do my buying there.
May she live long(er).
It’s covered. Just a handful of miles past the state line, before you even get to Reno, is a gigantic Cabelas that sells every sort of ammo you can imagine. Also guns.
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