April 29, 2013

BREAKING: Gay men capable of playing basketball, at least one being adept enough at it to make a living

Americans shocked, amazed! Straight, ordinary-sized, single-hand dribblers with no game whatever hardest hit.

Not by the bravery, so much — because let’s face it, what can be hipper now than coming out as a gay pro athlete, particularly when doing so is meant as a form of social activism, the unspoken message being that most people care where you dunk your balls when off the court, which I very much doubt is the case — but rather by the realization that not only aren’t they good enough to play pro ball, but they’ve been shown-up in the fabulous department, as well.

And that just stings.

(h/t JohnInFirestone)

Posted by Jeff G. @ 5:38pm
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  1. jump the shark, the gayz are boring

  2. So laudable. Which is why Perez Hilton will be in the MNF booth this season.

  3. Perhaps this announcement explains why the Wizards suck.

  4. I’ll admit I’m having a difficult time seeing the point of this angle. Hollywood (and even more so, network television) have been bludgeoning us over the head with “gay” for the last 15 years or so. Are we supposed to be surprised by/interested in this? I guess this is the phase where the objective is to go after the knuckle-dragger sports fans who these clods laughably seem to think have somehow missed 15+ years of “very special” sit-coms where the lessons are punctuated by canned laughter.

    I’m with newrouter. I can’t even remember this “pioneer’s” name from the story I read 5 minutes ago. Boring. Next!

  5. “I’m a 34-year-old NBA center. I’m black. And I’m gay,” says Jason Collins.

    He also came out as black, but no one is talking about that. Racists.

  6. Everything’s so unprecedented in the Age of Obama.

  7. One angle to consider is that blacks have a lot more problem with other blacks being gay than whites do about anyone being gay.

    Other than that? Yawn.

  8. Let me know when a male figure skater comes out as straight.

    That will be news.

  9. are you trying tell me that Dennis Rodman is straight?

  10. If I read it right, he’s another one of those prodigies who knew he was gay (or at least “different”) at a year old. I understand that I wasn’t particularly introspective at that age, but I made up for it in high school when I first heard Pink Floyd.

  11. Gays seem boring and played out like Gangnam Style. Gay is so last week.

  12. bgbear: Assigning a Kinsey number to Rodman would require several additional axes.

  13. Rodman is probably straight. He’s just out of his effing mind.

  14. cranky-d says April 29, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    One angle to consider is that blacks have a lot more problem with other blacks being gay than whites do about anyone being gay.

    I’ve heard that sentiment, but my personal experience has been an attitude of “anything for Obama”.

  15. So will all NBA teams have to retire #98 in a few years, for the historicity of it all?

    Or they could have a day where all the players wear #98 and make the zebras go crazy.

  16. The only thing that’s instructive here (which is why it will NOT be pointed out by Teh Gatekeepers) is that all of the “Oooh, what’s gonna happen now” speculation boils down to whether the army of reliable Dem voters who constitute the vast majority of the league’s head count will act like grownups or children (OOH YUCKY HE’S GAY!). Shouldn’t this be a non-issue where the league is comprised largely of men who have presumptively correct thoughts due to their skin color?

  17. Looks like not everybody got the memo:

    ESPN’s Chris Broussard is getting flack online after he called homosexuality a “sin” during a Monday episode of Outside the Lines.

    Never mind the gay, “sins” are so last millennium. “Sins” are what televangelists (and some Republicans) commit right before society flogs them into obscurity for being “hypocrites”.

  18. NBA players what are gay usually don’t talk about being gay to where everyone finds out. This Jason Collins is different though he says hey yup I’m gay and you know what you guys it is what it is and that’s the 411 on your gay friend and teammate Jason Collins. And bam everyone’s like hey let’s scoff at Jason Collins.

    I don’t really feel like scoffing at Jason Collins I just wanna get home and make tacos – I set all the stuff out this morning and I’m pretty excited about it.

  19. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 7:16 pm
    I set all the stuff out this morning

    Happy cramping! (nausea, vomiting, double-vision, etc)

    Sorry, I should just B. cereus

  20. Couldn’t find a young player with a realistic future to come out as gay, they hadda come out with a guy that’s like the oldest player in the league.

    Wanna know why? It’s ‘cuz you’re haters, that’s why.

    Why ya gotta be haters? Why?

  21. I was wondering if he was looking for some publicity.

  22. Happy, I haven’t seen where everyone is scoffing at Jason Collins. I must have missed all that amidst the “National Day of Let’s All Treat Jason Collins Like Rosa Parks and Matthew Shepard Had A Love Child But Not Like They Had Sex Because Hetero Sex Is Heteronormative So Like They Had A Magical Child, A Magical, Wonderful Child With No Cultural Baggage . . . Like Obama.”

  23. And as I was typing that, the scoffing picked up speed. Meh, you guys. Meh.

  24. Sorry Benedick, I didn’t treat the proud dick gobbler with the proper respect due such a courageous soul. I’m going to hell, I just know it…

  25. Magic Johnson got aids but it must be fat aids cuz he’s fatter than before

  26. Mr. Benedick nobody can make you treat Mr. Jason Collins anyway you don’t want to treat him it’s a choice you get to make all on your own like whether or not to eat carbs or the whole bing vs. google conundrum.

  27. *any way* i mean

  28. Scoffing is a large part of what I do.

    Bah, I say. Bah!

  29. The question is happyfeet, do we treat Collins with MORE respect now that he has made his courageous announcement? The President seems to think so. Should the country follow suit, or found wanting?

    Seems to me the new morality requires some sort of tribute to the fudge packing…

  30. I saw an ‘AfterSchool Special’ about the gay guy who built MeadowLark Lemons ladder. It was sad but uplifting

  31. or be found wanting…

  32. Mr. Benedick nobody can make you treat Mr. Jason Collins anyway you don’t want to treat him

    Except a court.

    Or congress.

    Or probably some bureaucrat puke somewhere.

    But nobody else…

  33. ignore the president he’s a stupid fuckhole

  34. It was kind of fun for a couple of minutes listening to the sports talk guys on the radio try to find something to say about this after the dude came out as gay.

    Then it got really boring, and kind of inadvertently made the point of how stupid this shit is. Who cares who this dude fucks?

    Why don’t we make note of what NBA stars are monogamous and how many aren’t? How many girlfriends each one has? How many perform cunnilingus?

    Why the fuck is this news? If it is an issue in pro locker rooms, then let those guys figure it out, I could really give a shit.

  35. baracky luvs some gayz marriathingamajingers

  36. Several years back at a local watering hole Dennis Rodman came up. One of the regulars, old black dude named Lonnie opines “That Rotman, he a damn queer!”

    Another regular pointed out that at the time he was fucking Madonna and Lonnie says “She a damn queer too!”

    Nobody could really argue with that, it seems to be all relative if you think about it.

  37. I always though basketball was kinda gay, my least favorite team sport.

    Obama knows all about courage, like the way he stands up to Assad. He shoots from the red line.

  38. Polled as to their attitudes, most Americans confessed they were too busy watching internet pornography to pay any mind to some fellow named Collins. Other Americans just didn’t care for basketball at all.

  39. I really don’t think this surprised anyone. Collins is the only guy in the NBA not fighting a paternity suit.

  40. scoffing scoffers what scoff

    I scoff at your scoffworthy scoffings

    and then I’m a go home and make me some tacos

    I’ve had a productive day

  41. what’s an unproductive day look like?

  42. “Naked woman ‘dressed'”?

    I see those all over the place! I had no idea that was news!

  43. Naked from the waist down.

  44. what’s an unproductive day look like?

    Same as today, but without the scoldings about gay marriage.

  45. Dude’s been in the NBA how long? And he’s just coming out now that the coast is clear?

    A profile in courage this ain’t.

    More like a profile in my pro career is winding down and this is my best shot at getting a commentary gig on ESPN is what it is.

  46. That wouldn’t in the least look like a pope, would it?

  47. Sorry. Journalists don’t seem to care about being totally biased, so I figured I’d just mock the headline’s construction.

  48. I would have gone with just the red shoes and nothing else.

  49. Collins is a free agent. FWIW.

  50. He’s a free agent and apparently unrestricted.

  51. No one ever does anything really outré like wearing a suicide vest and carrying a Koran that they tear pages out of and set fire to while insisting Allah commands it.

    Bashing Catholics is so 16th century.

  52. More like a profile in my pro career is winding down and this is my best shot at getting a commentary gig on ESPN is what it is.

    Put this dude on a show with Ray Lewis. That ought to be interesting.

  53. Good for Chris Broussard.

  54. Next someone will come out in the WNBA as being straight.

  55. Highly unlikely, Abe.

  56. Next someone will come out in the WNBA as being straight.

    that’s really super unlikely times like a thousand Mr. Abe cause the WNBA is 100% comprised of LESBIANS who are in open rebellion to GOD and JESUS CHRIST

    it was on ESPN

  57. It’s weird to me that the first out NBA homo has a twin brother who likes the beaver, and supposedly even he didn’t know about his gay twin brother until recently.

  58. Chris Broussard? Braver than Collins in this day and age.

    And no, I’m not kidding. For instance, nobody here gives a good fuck who Collins bangs off the court. But Broussard will feel the wrath of the PC police climbing over each other to show just how much the gay doesn’t bother them, no sir, because they’re down with today’s cultural orthodoxy.

    How brave they are, coming out as “accepting” in contradistinction to the Wrong Thinkers. And here we thought storming the beach at Normandy was brave!

  59. Billie Jean King, anyone?

    Talk about ancient history…

  60. If he outed himself in Teheran, then maybe.

  61. It’s weird to me that the first out NBA homo has a twin brother who likes the beaver, and supposedly even he didn’t know about his gay twin brother until recently.

    Even weirder is that Collins just “wants to be like him” with a family etc. Which, dude…the beaver. It’s where kids come from. Butt babies are but an unrealized fantasy. Being like your brother means mating and procreating.

  62. Jeff G. says April 29, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Chris Broussard? Braver than Collins in this day and age.

    Completely agree. I’d be shocked if he isn’t gone from ESPN soon (probably today) for his heresy.

  63. Has Broussard been punished yet?

  64. . Personally, I don’t believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly premarital sex between heterosexuals, if you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits, it says that’s a sin. If you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals, whatever it may be, I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian.”

    Eeeek.

  65. A Politically-Correct Climate: Making Broussard’s comments that much more awkward was the fact that in a different ESPN segment Broussard suggested that we will “hear very little critcism” of Collins because “a lot of people understand it’s a politically-correct climate, and even players that don’t agree will not necessarily voice that opinion.”

    Slate thinks that is awkward? Seems to me it is 100% accurate. Which I guess would be awkward for Slate.

  66. Even weirder is that Collins just “wants to be like him” with a family etc. Which, dude…the beaver. It’s where kids come from. Butt babies are but an unrealized fantasy.

    ba haa haaa haaa ..

    Pablo’s just a h8ter.

  67. I met a woman who played college basketball. She said she had a sort of in-team coming-out session where she confessed that she was straight. She was the only straight woman on the team.

    I don’t think she viewed that as “brave”. What would be seriously brave, in my book, would be for a woman to meet the gaze of a real-life Husky as it attempted to look straight through her with its rapey X-ray eyes.

  68. How long until this dude gets an invite to the White House?

  69. Obama should blame Tea Party, not NRA, for gun control defeat

    Ted Cruz seems to concur. There’s cause for optimism here:

    Best evidence Ted Cruz is doing something right

  70. Pablo’s just a h8ter.

    Don’t blame me, blame SCIENCE™!!!

  71. He’s already on GOod Morning America.

    God NO I don’t watch it. They just played a snippet on the radio.

  72. A woman at work (young, multiple piercings and tats-make of that what you will) told me yesterday that society should put pressure on people to be anything but what they wanted to be. That straight or gay, there is NO difference, etc, and there is no such thing as a natural order to these things.

    Which really illustrated what Bloom is talking about in “Closing of the American Mind”-which I just picked up again a few days ago.

    The girl doesn’t want to discuss these things – they just ARE. Her mind is completely closed. Which, is really ironic and shit because she is completely open to everything – except for ideas and thinking.

  73. Don’t blame me, blame SCIENCE™!!!

    Are we talking “settled” Science?

    I thought not.

  74. make of that what you will

    Serious Silence of the Lambs flashback moment, there.

  75. It rubs the lotion on its skin, else it gets the hose again.

  76. Car in says April 30, 2013 at 6:36 am
    society should put pressure on people to be anything but what they wanted to be

    I’ve been thinking about that. We’ve gone from “Stigmas are bad and awful” to “Stigmas should be against h8ters”. The pigs are rewriting the rules again…

  77. Which really illustrated what Bloom is talking about in “Closing of the American Mind”-which I just picked up again a few days ago.

    Did you catch Steyn this weekend? The Collapsing of the American Skull

  78. The girl doesn’t want to discuss these things – they just ARE. Her mind is completely closed. Which, is really ironic and shit because she is completely open to everything – except for ideas and thinking.

    What’s peculiar, to me anyhow, is that this teaching (a teaching she has properly absorbed, by the way) was a conscious choice as a teaching . . . not, of course by such children themselves, but by the “Great University” institutions of the US. This was deemed, in other words, to lead to the good. Which, of course it would. Right?

  79. I did not- but thanks for the link.

    The problem with many is not JUST that the parameters of thought have shrunk. It’s simply that they’ve decided that they do NOT need to think about it at all.

    The thinking has been done (by others) and they’ve merely accepted those results. The questions have all been answered.

  80. As Bloom says, thinking is HARD.

    The difference is that although thinking has always been hard, there was a time when those who didn’t want to do the hard thinking simply followed biblical teachings. Their non-thinking was binded in some sort of morality. Now? Not so much.

    They’ve allowed … progressive, morality-busting individuals (with various agendas) to do their thinking, not realizing the often nefarious motives these folks have.

  81. How long until this dude gets an invite to the White House?

    Never. Teh One only hangs with the likes of King James and Kobe. Journeymen with a career 4 ppg don’t burnish his image as a playa

  82. Oh, JD. He’ll make an appearance.

    Don’t doubt me.

  83. I have a suspicion that what we’re witnessing today, even with this hard sell on the homo question in particular, isn’t actually morality-busting, or a non-morality as such, but quite the opposite, plain old human self-regarding righteous justification in full on trumpet. We sometimes speak of the progressive urge as a religion all to itself, a religion hidden from itself, so to say. Indeed. It even has saints.

  84. Stigmas are bad and awful

    Sorry, was confused because I misread that as sigmas.

    And sigma, like intentionality, just is.

  85. I have a suspicion that what we’re witnessing today, even with this hard sell on the homo question in particular, isn’t actually morality-busting, or a non-morality as such, but quite the opposite, plain old human self-regarding righteous justification in full on trumpet.

    Yes, BUT –

    Your average young person doesn’t understand the arguments presented, but fall back on the “you’re homophobic/racist, etc” when you begin to have the conversation.

    THAT is the problem. Young folks just want their gay friends to be happy, not realizing that many of us 1) don’t care but 2) don’t want our libertarianism on this issue (I don’t care what you do with your naughty bits) to bleed over to other issues.

    As in – I don’t want my grade-school kids to be indoctrinated on gay lifestyles. etc.

    Their closed mind makes them ignorant of all the other issues. It’s just if you are against even the smallest gay issue, you simply are anti-gay.

    No different than those folks who killed Matthew Sheppherd*.

    *despite the fact that the truths of THAT even are muddled, but again if you don’t accept the truth as presented in the play, being performed at a high school near you – you are a h8ter.

  86. THAT is the problem.

    Well, but that has always been the problem regarding revealed truth. Heck, we only have to look at the righteous fight ongoing in the Muslim world to see it. Which points in turn, by contrast, back to the settlement of the religious question in the west a few centuries ago — and in the contrast, the long run of relative peace on that ground, though not accompanied by peace on political or commercial grounds — which settlement may be unraveling here even as we speak (or may not, it’s hard to pin down).

    In any case, it looks to me as though the long journey to setting aside the religious question has been largely lost so far as the teaching goes, especially where the youngest people are concerned. They’re apt to say, cluelessly: “What? What settlement? What are you talking about and why are you talking about it?”

  87. The thinking has been done (by others) and they’ve merely accepted those results. The questions have all been answered.

    I’ll happily (re)state the obvious – this sort of dogmatic acceptance of orthodoxy is precisely what the proggs criticize the “God bothers” for and as always they are blissfully self-unaware. I’ve come to believe psychological projection is a feature, not a bug, with these people.

    Meanwhile, the shades of Gramsci and the people who started the Frankfurt School all smile from beyond the grave and nod approvingly, is my guess.

  88. Meanwhile, the shades of Gramsci and the people who started the Frankfurt School all smile from beyond the grave and nod approvingly, is my guess.

    Yes.

  89. *Ahem* [Martina Navratilova waves hand]

  90. *title IX quietly cries itself to sleep at night

  91. Talk about a desperate attempt to grab a last 15 minutes of fame….otherwise, who gives a damn?

  92. So I guess Johnny Weir and Greg Louganis couldn’t be reached for comment on this “historic” announcement?

  93. The news articles I have seen are trying to make this a first in a major American sport, which are presumably football, basketball, baseball and nude midget wrestling.

  94. There’s another major sport in there somewhere but I am damned if I can recall what it is. Hockey?

  95. Greg didn’t come out while he was still competing, FWIW.

  96. Has anyone mentioned him playing the low post yet?

    Don’t forget to tip your waitress. The veal is like buttah.

  97. Greg didn’t come out while he was still competing, FWIW.

    I seem to recall them pointing out his boyfriend in the audience.

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  99. Next hing you know we will find out that some philatelists can play basketball too.

  100. Benedick has been awarded the THE SPOT-ON QUOTE OF THE DAY at:
    The Camp Of The Saints
    for his comment on 29APR at 07:27 PM.

  101. My son receives a subscription of Sports Illustrated, weekly. He informed me that he is tearing off the cover when it gets here since it is sullying a fine magazine devoted to, you know, sports.

    Johnny Weir was just on an episode of Chopped. He got his ass kicked in the first round.

  102. Freund: “Ha! Barry Obazm: the barking seal!”

    Feind: “Hey, so what’s wrong with that? He’s o n l y the most powerful man in the world. He’s a natural decision monster. He couldn’t conceivably go wrong, man.”

    Freund: “So, who’s throwing him the snack fish? Y’know, the chopped up mackerels and mullets?”

    Feind: “Well, eh . . . Valerie Jarrett, of course. But why wouldn’t she? Anyhow, everyone needs a personal trainer these days, so she’s as good a choice as any other. Besides, she’s harmless, just look at her . . . like one of those happy little troll dolls, so cute.”

  103. Cranky-D said early on, but the “elephant in the room” so to speak is – who are the people who will really have a problem with this? The other athletes in the locker room. What I’m getting at is, what do NBA players and the people who voted for Prop 8 in California have in common?

    As for the rest of us, NBA? (yawn) Gay player in any professional sport? (yawn)

  104. In an ideal world, we’d hear some “Dodge Ball” -style play-by-play calling.

    “Nice block by the submissive!”

    “That dyke can play!”

    “My sweet dick–it’s magic!”

    “It’s time to separate the wheat from the chaff, the men from the boys, the awkwardly feminine from the possibly Canadian.”

  105. I seem to recall them pointing out his boyfriend in the audience.

    I don’t remember that.

    I do remember being a little more surprised at his coming-out than I was when Ricky Martin came out.

  106. I’ve had a productive day

    “He peeps you when you’re sleeping.
    He peeps when you’re awake.
    He peeps if you’ve bad or good.
    Draw your drapes, for goodness sake!”

  107. Car in says April 30, 2013 at 6:55-7:01 am:

    The problem with many is not JUST that the parameters of thought have shrunk. It’s simply that they’ve decided that they do NOT need to think about it at all.
    The thinking has been done (by others) and they’ve merely accepted those results. The questions have all been answered.

    As Bloom says, thinking is HARD.
    The difference is that although thinking has always been hard, there was a time when those who didn’t want to do the hard thinking simply followed biblical teachings. Their non-thinking was binded in some sort of morality. Now? Not so much.
    They’ve allowed … progressive, morality-busting individuals (with various agendas) to do their thinking, not realizing the often nefarious motives these folks have.

    sdferr says April 30, 2013 at 7:14 am:

    I have a suspicion that what we’re witnessing today, even with this hard sell on the homo question in particular, isn’t actually morality-busting, or a non-morality as such, but quite the opposite, plain old human self-regarding righteous justification in full on trumpet. We sometimes speak of the progressive urge as a religion all to itself, a religion hidden from itself, so to say. Indeed. It even has saints.

    It’s Nietzchean anti-morality (or if you prefer, neo-pagan morality) is what it is, übermench-ean values-creation. See Bloom’s chapter “Our Ignorance” 227-40.

    Just to tie your thoughts together.

    Because I’m a uniter, not a divider.

  108. It’s Nietzchean anti-morality

    Depending on the qualification of the “it’s” referent, I don’t think so, at least not so much regarding the footsoldiers (on ESPN, for instance) I’m thinking about above, or to say another way, the ordinary people making up the ranks of the convention, or conventional disposition (tattooed, be-ringed, hip, suave, stinky, etc.). Seems to me they’re the same old same old miserable human bunch, and nothing especially joined to Nietzsche, nor the least bit seriously familiar with his objects.

  109. It refers to both Carin’s tatted-n-pierced willfully ignorant amoral co-worker, and your observation about self-regarding self-righeousness. Because non-judgementalism is, as you say a morality, or rather a false one, and the only way to be rigorously non-judgemental is to be willfully ignorant. Also, self-regard, whether we recognize it as such or no, is very Nietszchean.

    One of Bloom’s points was that we’ve internalized Nietzsche’s thought, without understanding that it’s Nietzsche (because we came by it via Weber, Freud, Marcuse. etc. As proof, I offer:

    Bobby McFerrin

  110. Yeah, I guess I must disagree with Bloom then, at least as to the possibility that “we’ve” internalized Nietzsche (who, we notice, never managed to complete his own program on his own terms!).

    But on the other hand, Tocqueville thought us the least philosophical people on the face of the earth, natural Cartesians! Frak for a choice, eh?

  111. I think many of the folks who have internalized Nietzsche have – actually – no idea who he is . They really don’t know who any of these folks are, but have at least *heard of* Fraud.

  112. Carin, that’s the point of the chapter prior to “Our Ignorance,” “The Nietzscheanization of the Left Or Vice Versa.”

    Coincidentally, it also answers sdferr’s objection. We’ve taken Nietzche’s aristocratic philosophy and popularized it.

    Everyman the Superra-man, you might say.

  113. I’m about 100 pages shy of that point in the book.

    But, yes, I think a lot of people – the wider culture – has pimped these ideas; giving thoughtless people the illusion that they’ve actually thought through these ideas.

    When they haven’t . They’ve just internalized what pop culture has told them. They hear it in a song, etc.

    The tattooed chick – she honestly bragged a week or so ago that her parents NEVER talk politics or any of that crap. How cool is that? Live and let live kinda atmosphere.

    She’s a nice girl, but … but a hot mess in many ways. A product of how she was raised. Ideas that she cannot support.

    Live and let live.

  114. It isn’t hard to think of Nietzsche as a great question asker, and not such a great solution provider. If people could internalize Nietzsche, they’d be a bit more like him, one would think. But people aren’t like Nietzsche at all. Sure they may be like him in regard to lacking solutions to problems (but this we can account to human partiality, glimpsing but never comprehending the whole, or stuck in the present between two eternities past and future, as they say), that is, but not at all like him in regard to recognizing problems and taking their motion from those problems. Or at least, so it seems to me. And too, he had a kind of urgency about him, whereas Bobby McFerrin is anything but urgent. Nor, to all appearances, are the Americans generally speaking.

  115. We’ve taken Nietzche’s aristocratic philosophy and popularized it.

    An average middle class American has more power (of most forms) at his fingertips than the historical aristocracy excepting possibly a handful of monarchs. It is only natural (although not particularly fortunate) that they should behave like Nietzsche’s philosophy. Much like our technology, that we really don’t understand, but use as if we did, we don’t really think about why we are the way we are.

  116. Or it may just be that this is the natural end result of “Everything I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten” feel-good-ism, where our “teacher”told us to get along and be nice, and those of us who aren’t so nice are getting the ill-treatment our not-niceness has earned.

  117. I saw a ‘Fish called Wanda’

  118. I wonder if Marcotte or any of her little playmates have enough original thought capabilities to consider the fact that all their lesbian feminist heroes like King and Navratolova really are being dissed pretty hard by all this.

    Is this more about the patriarchy than sex?

  119. Is this more about the patriarchy than sex?

    Could be, Bmoe. In any case, it might lead us to the differential question of the reaction of heterosexual females to their homosexual counterparts (and vice versa) vs. the reaction of heterosexual males to theirs (and vice versa). It may turn out that the two pairs of reactions reflect salient sex differences we may overlook otherwise. For that matter, throw in the cross-sexual differences. Could be there’s even more material for reflection there.

  120. cancelled Cable-went to lunch today-met my brother/took pictures of the ‘Boston Marathon Massacre’
    whatever
    went to a local pub-since I do not have tv-I wanted to get up to speed on the playoffs
    mmm-did u know there’s a gay tall black guy
    sitting down for interviews? Look-I cancelled ur propaganda -I just want the facts like Jack Webb
    but…ESPN had ..basics
    ESPN had a freaking call in show about gay something things..statements?
    George Stephanoupolis interviewed him
    yecch

  121. hey gay tall black guy what’s it like to be so.. tall

  122. it’s like..man..way up high there’s a land man
    I heard…once in a lullaby
    totally free free freaky
    troubles melt like lemon drops above the chim chimery chimney tops.
    .and
    bluebirds fly over the rainbow
    why can’t I

  123. “An average middle class American has more power (of most forms) at his fingertips than the historical aristocracy excepting possibly a handful of monarchs.”

    I remember seeing a “history book” that argued that the Empress Theodora had less power than a male Byzantine peasant.

    Because, penis.

    This was a required text for a freshman-level Western Civ course.

  124. What have the Romans ever done for us?

  125. What have the Romans ever done for us?

    Invented a candle that lights up more than just a room?

  126. it’s a monty python joke mcghee you tube it it’s funny

  127. What would Brian Boitano do if he were here today?

  128. I seem to recall one criticism of fans of Marcuse as confusing the ability to ask interesting questions with actually having answers to those questions. At least I think it was Marcuse. Can’t remember where I read that either.

  129. Life of Brian, perchance? I only saw that once, which considering it’s a Monty Python movie…

  130. yes
    what have the bloody Romans ever done for us?
    Roads?
    Yea..Roads..of course..but besides the roads..
    Medicine?
    Yea..alright-besides the roads and medicine..
    Water? Sanitation?
    Alright-besides the road and medicine and water and sanitation
    what have the Romans ever done for us?
    Wine?
    {Im paraphrasing of course/john cleese is much better]

  131. SBP says April 30, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I remember seeing a “history book” that argued that the Empress Theodora had less power than a male Byzantine peasant.

    Because, penis.

    You’re being too literal. The author was just mad that the Byzantine peasant was probably a rapist, and Theodora had been forced into the sex trade as a young woman, and life is so awful, and it’s all “some man’s fault”.

    When a feminist says “violation is a synonym for intercourse“. She doesn’t mean “All sex is rape”. No no. She means something all academic and socially relevant that she can’t be bothered to put into literal words. Instead you need to feel her frustration with her oppression in a male dominated society.

    One of these days I may audit a bitter women’s studies class just to mess with the professtrix.

  132. One of these days I may audit a bitter women’s studies class just to mess with the professtrix.

    Oncc upon a time there might have been a half-funny Andrew Dice Clay movie premised upon that.

  133. Theodora had been forced into the sex trade as a young woman, and life is so awful, and it’s all “some man’s fault”.

    I thought prostitution was just another life choice? Part of that My Body, My Choice thing?

  134. Thanks for that Ernst.

    You reminded me that I’m considering giving a university money, and opening myself to possible hate-crime speech code prosecution.

    I’ll try and find that ADC movie on IMDB instead.

  135. you shouldn’t do the prostitutions cause of the gonorrhea, especially in los angeles and various other third world cities

    I read it on drudge

  136. leigh says April 30, 2013 at 6:35 pm
    I thought prostitution was just another life choice?

    It’s like abortion and miscarriage where the humanity of the object is wholly determined by the mindset of the woman.

    Just think, a woman could take up prostitution and write a really amazing academic paper about it, or even a book!

  137. Exactly, mondamay. People are all judgey about prostitutes. It’s all so unfair.

  138. “What would Brian Boitano do if he were here today?”

    He’d surely kick an ass or two, but on the downside he might become a symbol that empowers rape culture. The figure skaters tend to do…

  139. People are all judgey about prostitutes.

    If the other stuff I read about Theodora was correct, she believed in being really good at her job, too.

    Quite a complex character in her earthiness and piety, although probably much more common in medieval times.

  140. Having a good work ethic is important.

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