No black helicopters here, either. Just doctors and the government, on the advice of a bipartisan “gang of two or three”, working in concert to keep the mentally ill from owning dangerous weaponry. By ignoring HIPPA, and turning healthcare providers who will soon be controlled entirely by the government into agents who will vet your soundess for gun ownership.
Now, keep in mind that mental health professionals are already required to report to authorities a patient they believe may be an imminent threat (something that didn’t happen in Aurora, incidentally). So these new responsibilities granted doctors must exceed those earlier mandates, else they’d be redundant.
And what might those new responsibilities be?
The [Toomey-Manchin] proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.
— allow me to interject here. We don’t know this to be the case necessarily, largely because we haven’t been given much time to look at the actual legislation. Which is about to be brought up for a cloture vote as we speak.
And that right there is a problem every bit as serious as the one in which the Senate hopes to amend an Amendment to the Bill of Rights without going through the amendment process.
But I digress:
There would be no due process requirement. Not all doctors will be able to do it with the same ease, but many will. Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.
Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, the patient would have to actively work through the system to get himself removed — guilty before being proven innocent. In some states, should a doctor flag you as having mental illness without your knowledge, you may very well see the state come collect your previously purchased guns.
Activist mental health providers will probably be overly aggressive in adding people to the list. Give it five years in liberal areas and people who believe in the physical resurrection of Christ will probably get automatic entry onto the list.
Mental health is a serious issue and the Toomey-Manchin legislation could have negative consequences. Worse, it would still not stop a Columbine, a Newtown, or the daily massacres in Chicago.
So you see? Joe Biden was right, and all your concerns amount to nothing more than the crazed conspiracy-mongering of paranoiacs and potential domestic terrorists. It has to do with doctors diagnosing your buried murderous tendencies — evidently made manifest in your use of anti-seizure drugs, or drugs for anxiety — to keep you from going on a killing spree. That they can do it in secret protects them from your murderous revenge plans. Which makes sense, given how mentally unstable you are, according to them.
So, then. Wanna be safe? Stay off of any medication. Avoid mental health professionals and doctors. Then, get yourself a shotgun and fire two blasts through a closed door at any unusual sound you hear. But don’t try AR15s, because unlike shotguns, with their penetrating qualities and the scattering of their payload, AR15’s .223s, though they fire singularly, even in semi-auto form, seek out and kill not bad guys, but your very own children. As a rule!
Here’s an idea. Let’s pass a law in which we require lawmakers to pass a test about what it is they are trying to legislate. Because I can guarantee you that nearly every Democrat who has gone all-in for gun control is either a full-fanged authoritarian, or else is so ignorant about firearms as to be, in any other era, reduced to a public laughingstock.
And yes, I’m looking at you, VP Biden, and you, Dianne DeGette, and you, Frau Feinstein.
Doctor: So, patient X, do you have any firearms at home?
X: Doctor, do you have a lie detector?
Doctor: Well, no.
X: Then I don’t have any guns.
Well, we are up to passing acts of Congress that protect amendments in the Bill of Rights. On account of there being no protection given to them by the oath of office taken by Congress, or protection by SCOTUS (for example, please read the dissent in Heller.
meghan’s coward daddy says we have to vote we have to vote NOW what’s wrong with you people
[cribbing shamelessly from DarthLevin]
Doctor: So, patient X, do you have any firearms at home?
X: Doctor, do you know what it’s like to be the point of a spear?
Doctor: Well, no, I don’t.
X: Spear points are exceedingly likely to be dulled or broken off.
I have no qualms at all in voting no right this second.
Doctor: So, patient X, do you have any firearms at home?
X: How quickly can you transcribe my patient files so I can find myself a less nosy doctor?
FINIS
Like people don’t lie to their doctors about everything else?
Doctor: So, patient X, do you have any firearms at home?
X: How quickly can you transcribe my patient files so I can find myself a less nosy doctor?
FINIS
The problem, slart, is that Dr. Liberal will add you to the NICS because you respond this way.
Like people don’t lie to their doctors about everything else?
There will be an unfeasibly large number of tragic boating accidents to explain.
Took the liberty of tightening up that dialogue for ya. Hope you don’t mind.
Doc you may ask my new attorney who specializes in medical malpractice suits if I have any guns at home. Your question and the answer may be video recorded.
I covet your economy of words, Squid. And here I thought you were going to include some dialog to the effect of “how do you like my fucking pitchfork?”
Why pitchforks are better than spears! They have four pointy-ends to dull, hence remain effective the longer.
I think I’ll just forget about that concealed carry permit.
Doctor: So, patient X, do you have any firearms at home?
X: Doc, does your wife let you assfuck her?
“X: Doc, does your wife let you assfuck her?”
Better: “Doc, are you addicted to drugs? Just asking, in the interest of public health.”
Doc, are you addicted to drugs?
O zing, because all too often susceptible.
Truly, I never thought I’d live to see the day where I’d have to teach my children to lie, convincingly, to the authorities.
At least we won’t have to worry about the junior anti-sex league; the anti-anti-sex league, maybe.
I’d rather carry a carbine anyways. Besides, by the time I felt like I really needed to carry one, no body would look askance at an armed man.
where I’d have to teach my children to lie, convincingly, to the authorities.
That I agree with this makes me sad for my country.
where I’d have to teach my children to lie, convincingly, to the authorities
We’re all Juden now.
They don’t have to ask you that [if you own guns] in order to put your name on the NICS list [which is FBI maintained] of prohibited persons. And since it is anonymous you don’t even have to be their patient or even known to the doctor.
It then becomes the task of the ATF and/or State level agencies to apply the NICS information to their own lists of gun owners to see if you should be visited by a SWAT team to confiscate your [or your spouse’s] now illegal firearms.
Welcome comrades!
Doctor: So, patient X, do you have any firearms at home?
X: Why, doc? You planning to stage a break-in?
Re: doctors
Dr. Benjamin Carson has withdrawn as the commencement speaker at Johns Hopkins because of complaints about his views on homosexual marriage.
Does anyone have any doubt that many of these future doctors regard opposition to homosexual marriage as a pathological hatred? And believe that someone who harbors such bigotry ought to be prohibited from owning a firearm and should be reported to the NICS?
Well, that settles it. I’m simply not going to go to the doctor anymore. On the plus side, that will make Obamacare more affordable…
I’ve mentioned before that I’m nurturing friendships with one doc who recently retired, and another who’ll be retiring soon. One drinks bourbon; the other, scotch. If you don’t already have a trusted personal physician and acceptable method of payment, I encourage you to make the effort.
Now I know if ever feel depressed to not talk to a doctor. That should stop mentally ill people from going on rampages, right? I feel safer already.
I’ve recently encountered a couple of anti-gunners who reason that having a gun is a sign of latent violent tendencies and that anyone with latent violent tendencies should be prohibited from possessing guns. Fortunately I was cured by a tragic boating accident….
The US Census Bureau is reviewing patient charts, at least in Washington State, in Federally Qualified Health Centers, to “collect data and compare with published WA Dept of Health statistics.” Really. Without disclosure to patients. Right NOW>
I am coming to the conclusion that the doctor putting you on the list is “the” whole point of the dance. With Obamacare set to completely control doctors and just who can be/remain a doctor in the end then this could be the way to ban guns by working around the 2nd. It could be “Catch 22” in action. Own a gun or wish to own a gun, you are not mentally fit to own one. Not want to own a gun, welcome comrade you are approved as long as you don’t want one.