April 6, 2013

MSNBC host abuses her child on air [Darleen Click]

Kiddie pr0n prop!

Just.disturbing.

h/t William A. Jacobson

Posted by Darleen @ 1:14pm
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  1. santorum shoved a dead baby in his kids’ faces

  2. Right, happyfool. Those are exactly the same things.

  3. “dr” gosnel killed a live baby for the wymyns right to choose

  4. Dr. Gosnell killed thousands of babies and stored them in the refrigerator.

    He kept their tiny feets in glass jars in his office because he’s one sick motherfucker.

  5. the road to hell is paved with good intentions I think

    good intentions and lots and lots of food stamps

  6. did the road to hell get stimulus spendings?

  7. no remember they decided infrastructure spending was sexist

  8. hf

    Santorum didn’t do any different than any number of families who believe in the grieving process when a loved family member dies.

    I feel sorry if you are phobic about death & funerals.

  9. i feel sorry if you are phobic about wizz wizz in da bing bang

  10. There are no “good” intentions on this woman’s part. All must serve Leftist ideal.

    She teaches her daughter that the “good” people all agree with mommy and only “crazy” people believe otherwise.

  11. wizz wizz in da bing bang

    do you speak human?

  12. big sis don’t like no wizz wizz

  13. She teaches her daughter that the “good” people all agree with mommy and only “crazy” people believe otherwise.

    How do you teach your kids? What do you tell them about folks who think gay marriage is acceptable?

  14. What do you tell them about folks who think gay marriage is acceptable?

    Same thing as any parents who want to raise virtuous children in a corrupt world: “Everyone gets to choose how to live, because that’s what God sent us here to do. In our family, we choose this. Other families choose things that we don’t think are right, but that doesn’t mean they’re bad people. It doesn’t mean we can be mean to them or make fun of them or to bust their chops over it. God expects us to love everyone—especially those who are hard to love, such as the people who think that we’re bad or who say mean things about us—because if we’re only kind to people who are kind to us, that’s not much of an accomplishment is it?”

  15. Beemoe

    My “kids” are adults. If I were a young parent again, I’d teach them about marriage as I do about …say… lying.

    The ideal is man/woman / honesty. And leave it at that while they are small and learning macro concepts. You don’t get into the exceptions until they ask you about them.

    As adults we know that there are always exceptions to generalities. It doesn’t negate the generality or destroy the ideal.

    When 3% of the population identfies as ‘gay’ and even of that small number a significant portion are either ambivalent or openly hostile to marriage, then why is someone indoctrinating a small child that they themselves MUST always stop and include same-sex marriage when thinking about marriage? And those that privilege hetero relationships MUST BE crazy or evil?

    My children were taught to consider all individuals individually, regardless of their melanin OR orientation.

    And most importantly, they were taught that disagreement didn’t make the person you disagreed with EVIL or CRAZY.

    What a fucked up popular culture we have when people who still believe exactly what Hillary & Obama believed a few months ago are now evil bloodsucking murderous religious nutjobs.

  16. Steyn is not on the forefront with this subject (as he has been so many other times), but as usual, he nails the diagnosis.

  17. So if a devout Christian parent teaches her children that homosexuality is a sin and those folks are going to hell, is that child abuse?

  18. beemoe

    Ya notice that on college campuses, it isn’t the Evil Crazy Christianists that are destroying Leftist placards or disrupting Leftist speakers

    But I can point you to a number of incidents where the Tolerant Left destroys signs, posters, disrupts speakers and intimidates any student who dares dissent from the dogma – be it pro-life or political conservatism.

  19. this is a good place to go on the internet for to learn about right and wrong with respect to issues involving the homosexual population of America

  20. No, BMoe. Catholicism teaches us to love the sinner and hate the sin.

    We are all sinners and God decides who is going to Hell, not us and our opinions.

  21. For years, Dennis Prager has been warning that the obliteration (read:denial) of sexual differences would mess kids up, that SSM would result in kids not knowing whether they should marry a man or a woman.

    I thought he was a little off, because hormones and biology usually serve as a strong enough compass that any pre-adolescent confusion will give way to raging lust.

    Looks like I might have been wrong. Effing adults are telling all of their kids—not just the ambivalent ones—that they can choose between hetero and homo.

    OTOH, those enlightened parents who gave their boys dolls and their girls trucks only got boys shooting each other with Barbies and girls organizing their trucks into families.

    Maybe the Boomers have strayed into such absurdity that the next generation can tell how naked the Emperor is.

  22. homosexuality or homosexual behavior? Is teaching that some behaviors are inherently sinful (homosexual, fornication, adultery) abusive?

    Do you consider teaching that Jesus is the only way into heaven abusive?

  23. I was just thinking but what does Dennis Prager think

  24. di

    during the 60s & 70s there was a lot of coerced sex going on as young college white girls were told they had to fuck this guy or that guy in order to lose their bourgeois values imposed on them by their white oppressor parents.

  25. hf

    Dennis actually thinks, you not so much

  26. Darleen, I told those people they could fuck off.

  27. “Okay, Ella, now what if three or more people fall in love with each other? Shouldn’t they be able to get married, too?”

  28. Gay is now acceptable and homosexual is a slur?

    Sometimes I feel like I am trapped in a Monte Python skit.

  29. Not all religious people teach that being gay is an express ticket to hell, no questions asked. Lots of us recognize that sexual orientation is not something we choose so much as it’s thrust upon us by circumstances beyond our control.

    You can’t be sent to hell for something you didn’t choose.

    Under the covenant that I have entered, the only legitimate expression of sexual union is within the bonds of marriage. Those who do not marry—for whatever reason—are expected to remain chaste.

    I’m pushing 50 and I have never married. I live by the same law of chastity that gays are expected to live by. Dying a virgin is not a fate worse than death, and it’s definitely not worse than losing your soul.

    We LDS believe that if you don’t have the opportunity to marry in this life, you’ll have your chance during Christ’s millennial reign and thereafter. The deprivation is only temporary. (It also sux, but so do all of the other deprivations.)

    So you don’t identify gays as the enemy or as evil by definition. Certainly not as any more evil than straight people who fornicate. They’re just unfortunate. It’s only our corrupt society that tells them that unless they screw everything they want, they’ll explode like a plugged-up teapot.

  30. OTOH, those enlightened parents who gave their boys dolls and their girls trucks only got boys shooting each other with Barbies and girls organizing their trucks into families.

    Say, when did you start spying on my kids and their cousins?

  31. jesus is the reason for the season darleen but he loved whores and sluts in daisy duke denim and that boy pull many an all nighter with the hippies and the hicks and jocks and bikers they all came to kick it in the sticks back in the day with jesus… they’d pick themselves up some driftwood on the shore of galilee and they’d build them a bonfire cause they liked the heat and when it get too hot they done took it to the creek

    plus jesus liked to tell funny stories

  32. I am asking you, Darleen. You are the one that asserted teaching your moral values to children was abusive.

    I think that is a dangerous door to open.

  33. a Monte Python skit.

    A Monte Python skit has a point, it’s entertaining, and it’s never tried to use the levers of government power to micromanage your life.

    A Monte Python skit? We should be so lucky.

  34. he loved whores and sluts

    What do you think he told them while he hung out with them? Keep calm and carry on with the whoredoms? Or did he try to help them understand that they were precious children of God who didn’t need to live forever in that degradation?

    It’s the sick who have need of a medic, not the whole, he told his critics.

    He identified the whores and sluts as sick, and he was going to help them heal, not help them feel good about being whores.

  35. a Monte Python skit

    hey dad what’s in the box c’mon show me show me what in the box dad what’s in the box

  36. You are the one that asserted teaching your moral values to children was abusive.

    She’s not teaching moral values; she’s mouthing the latest social fad, which happens to be a lie: that men and women are fungible, that SSM is the equivalent of hetero marriage, and that the only way to be a “good person” is to stay on the good side of bullies.

  37. beemoe

    You are the one that asserted teaching your moral values to children was abusive.

    I did? Where? I taught my moral values but ALSO taught my kids that if someone disagreed it didn’t automatically make them EVIL or CRAZY.

    If this female wants to fuck up her daughter’s head that she must consider equally marrying a boy or a girl that’s her right. But it is abusive that she indoctrinates her daughter that anyone that dares disagree is CRAZY.

    She’s the KKK mom teaching her kid that black kids, jews & catholics are evil. She’s the Arab-Pal mom teaching her kid to strap on bombs and murder jew kids on buses.

    She is NOT the observant Christian/Jew mom teaching her kid that marriage is one man/one woman committed, monogamous and responsible for their children BUT that people who believe and live differently are still worthy of respect and civility.

  38. plus, beemoe, it is not only NOT dangerous to discuss morals, it is imperative.

    Our pop “who am I to judge” culture is sick. Whenever one hears that phrase, it is a confession that the person has decided to give up all thinking.

  39. my lil niece and my lil nephew understand about the gay marriage cause of how nate lost fernando in the tsunami

  40. so boys and girls do you think nate and fernando were practicing some behaviors what are inherently sinful so jesus made the tsunami for to teach them not to fornicate like how they were doing?

    no uncle happy that’s retarded

    man you kids have some really fucked up values

  41. Happy,, mocking the Faith of others to make yourself feel better is about what I’ve come to expect from you.

    You disappoint me, son.

  42. ouch that really hit home

  43. nate and fernando

    be freaks of nature

  44. HF is not interested in defending a point. He is just here to amuse himself.

  45. nate and fernando

    what about the boyz at de bath house come on peeps gayz group marriage

    ,

  46. ya think?

  47. If this female wants to fuck up her daughter’s head that she must consider equally marrying a boy or a girl that’s her right. But it is abusive that she indoctrinates her daughter that anyone that dares disagree is CRAZY.

    So fucking up your daughters head and psychologically abusing her isn’t crazy or evil?

  48. Our pop “who am I to judge” culture is sick.

    That’s just crazy talk.

  49. Heh.

  50. Beemoe, we get enough real trolls around here as it is, don’t you think? Hell, we have more than our share of pretend trolls.

  51. let’s take teh gheys out of this for a second

    if this woman taught her daughter that “open marriage” and adultery was just fine, as wrong as I believe she was and how screwed up she was making her daughter parrot such beliefs, there’s not a thing I can do (save for pointing it out) to stop her. It’s her daughter, not mine.

    However, if she also taught her daughter that people who believe in monogamy and faithfulness to one’s spouse were CRAZY and EVIL people, you bet I’ve call that abusive. Because it is no long about “beliefs” but how one is going to view & treat The Other.

  52. I want to know what woman, in her right mind, gets up in the morning and says to herself: “Hey, I’ve got a great idea, let’s put my 5 year old daughter on tv and ask her a question about her sexual orientation.”

    Seriously, WTF? No one stopped to think this isn’t a good idea? What is with these leftists and their pre-occupation with sex?

    Now imagine Dad deciding to put his 5 year old daughter on tv and asking his daughter what she thought about heterosexual marriage. How soon before child services is knocking on the door with the cops?

  53. Ah tolerance … Micheangelo “Gay marriage to destroy marriag ” Signorile states that Matt R. Salmon , gay son of Rep Matt Salmon, who supports his son but hasn’t changed his mind on SSM, must cut off his father until said dad “realigns” his beliefs to the LGBT agenda.

    The congressman is being enabled, allowed to comfortably advocate against equal rights for his child and everyone like him while claiming to love him. Young Matt can’t allow that to stand, for his own well-being. And the rest of us, too, can’t allow it to stand if we’re truly intent on attaining full civil rights for LGBT people.

    It’s as if the Left were the Borg and all resistance is futile.

  54. First of all, nowhere was EVIL mentioned, you have projected that on her, and secondly the crazy was a giggly, silly kind of crazy. Wacky. Nutty. Not particularly evil.

    There are disturbing things being taught and indoctrinated on both sides, but when you blow a gasket and go over the top over basically harmless bullshit like this you aren’t doing yourself any favors.

    I keep waiting for a post about those hetero-marriage and divorce addicts that are doing far more to destroy the institution of marriage you say you are so concerned about.

  55. if I had to pick between supporting my kid and supporting the team R platform fuck yeah I’d pick the Team R platform

  56. beemoe

    at home, no big deal, sticking them on tv to say how crazy anyone who differs is, is abusive.

    YMMV but I find it very very disturbing. Not like the Left doesn’t love them kiddie props & bodies.

    You should see the Left’s compassion on display on Twitter over Rev. Rick Warren’s son who committed suicide.

    Such lovely people who of course don’t consider The Other as “evil” at all.

  57. here is where you can hear young Matt Salmon tell about how miserable it was growing up a gay mormon kid and how his parents sended him to therapy to make him want to fuck the mormon hoochies but he still didn’t want to fuck them even after the therapies

    so he prayed to mormon jesus and mormon jesus was all like dude chillax you’re all good and after that Matt felt a lot better

    then there’s this part about taking pills you can skip cause it’s kinda dumb

    then mostly he just wants to tell people it gets better and how a lot of people who bullied him in high school have approached him to be supportive now and are really sweet

    then he talks about how his mom led a failed early effort to ban gay marriage in Arizona and he’s glad she didn’t have much to do with the gay marriage ban that passed later on

    he says his dad has come out and said publicly he was proud of his son for speaking up for himself and that means a lot to Matt

    so now Matt is very happy he is gay

    the end

  58. Funny thing, I never thought my supporting and loving my child included rah rah shake my pom poms over their thinking adultery was a-ok.

  59. i don’t personally know any parents what actively campaign to ostracize their own children from social institutions like marriage

    if I did I would say whoa hold the phone there booba that’s fucked up

    and they would say happy this is none of your beeswax

    and I’d be like no but still that’s my opinion

    and they’d be all like well if we don’t care about our own kid’s feelings why would we give a shit about yours?

    and I’d be like ok that’s a good point you got me there

    and they’d be like maybe you shoulda thought about that before opening your stupid gay-lover mouth

    and I’d be like hey don’t turn this around and make ME the bad guy I’m super-tolerant

    and they’d be like whatever you’re just a mindless shill for the gay agenda

    and I’d be all like no you’re just a mindless shill for the gay agenda

    and they’d be all like that doesn’t even make any sense

    and I’d be all like whatevs, haters

  60. … we get enough real trolls around here as it is, don’t you think? Hell, we have more than our share of pretend trolls.

    One of them has been posting a lot today.

  61. “Our pop “who am I to judge” culture is sick. Whenever one hears that phrase, it is a confession that the person has decided to give up all thinking.”

    “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

    He was just sayin’.

  62. i don’t personally know any parents what actively campaign to ostracize their own children from social institutions like marriage

    I have actually met some of these people. Oddly enough, they were single (read: never married) women who had sperm donor kiddos. They sat the chil’ on their knees and told him all about his “biological father” and how the nice doctor helped Mommy have them and wasn’t that grand!

    I can’t tell you how creepy it is to hear a four year old talk about his “biological father” when chances are he has no idea what that means and just wants someone to play catch with.

  63. and make ME the bad guy I’m super-tolerant

    sarah palin 2016

  64. He was just sayin’[…]

    […]to avoid hypocrisy.

  65. For instance, if you pick up your dog’s shit you do actually get to call the guy who doesn’t a jerk. You don’t have to reserve judgement.

    Indeed, even if you don’t pick up your dog’s shit, he’s still a jerk but Jesus would remind you that you’re also one.

  66. Some behavior is, indeed, not something to celebrate.

  67. “He was just sayin’.”

    To whom was HE speaking? And why? Are you always this dis-honest?

    “and make ME the bad guy I’m super-tolerant”

    Shoe sizing; how DOES it work?

    “and I’d be all like no you’re just a mindless shill for the gay agenda”

    FTR I don’t think your animus is mindless. I am of the opinion that it is worse than that.

  68. Or, put better, some behavior is deserving of judgement.

  69. Thus, the admonishment to “Go and sin no more.”

  70. SBP

    That passage doesn’t mean “don’t judge” at all. It actually is call for you to be prepared to judge others by judging yourself first. Have standards of your own before holding others to those standards.

    A hypocrite is NOT someone who inadvertently or through weakness fails at his/her own standards.

  71. “Thus, the admonishment to “Go and sin no more.””

    I think the admonishment is the reference to motes and beams. What do I know?

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  73. For what it’s worth, Gulermo, I don’t think SBP is being dishonest.

    He has a long history here at pw and it’s been chock-full of good faith argument.

  74. If Christ had meant “judgement” in all it’s meanings, it would mean we could never have laws or courts or jails or punishment of any sort.

    So right there, one realizes, that suspension of judgement was not what He was talking about.

  75. Same for BMoe, btw.

    Things can get a bit contentious around here on some of these issues but I have a feeling if we were all having beers in person a few physical winks and smiles would make all the difference in the world.

  76. When I was speaking of trolls posting, I was thinking of the yellow peril, if it matters.

  77. Irons is learning, as Carrie Prejean learned a while back, that “liberals” aren’t interested in your opinion, or even your sincere support, but only that you understand that there’s one single, acceptable answer. We don’t teach kids to memorize historic dates or great poetry any more, but we do insist they memorize correct attitudes and regurgitate them correctly when required to do so in public.

    Speaking of actors from across the pond, I had the good fortune of meeting at the end of his life Hilton Edwards, the founder of Ireland’s Gate Theatre. Hilton and the love of his life, Micháel MacLiammóir, were for many years the most famously gay couple in Dublin. At MacLiammóir’s funeral in 1978, the Taoiseach and half the Irish cabinet attended, and at the end they went up to Edwards, shook hands, and expressed their condolences — in other words, publicly acknowledging him as “the widow.” This in a state where homosexuality was illegal, and where few people suggested that it should be otherwise. The Irish officials at the funeral treated MacLiammóir’s relict humanely and decently, not because they had to but because they wished to. I miss that kind of civilized tolerance of the other, and I wish, a mere four decades on, the victors in the culture wars might consider extending it to the losers.

    Instead, the relentless propagandizing grows ever more heavy-handed: The tolerance enforcers will not tolerate dissent; the diversity celebrators demand a ruthless homogeneity. Much of the progressive agenda — on marriage, immigration, and much else — involves not winning the argument but ruling any debate out of bounds. Perhaps like Jeremy Irons you don’t have “strong feelings” on this or that, but, if you do, enjoy them while you can.

    Mark Steyn

  78. I have had several beers and cocktails with happyfeet. He is a good dude.

  79. That was pretty clear to me, cranky. It’s all good.

  80. Much of the progressive agenda — on marriage, immigration, and much else — involves not winning the argument but ruling any debate out of bounds.

    Like calling someone a troll because they disagree with a definition?

  81. Be that as it may, BMoe, he’s become a foul buffoon here at pw.

  82. I have strong feelings that sane major league pitchers won’t throw the ball anywhere near the plate when Chris Davis is at bat for at least the next week. After that, they’re welcome to take their chances. Bases loaded? Walk him, you’ll be better off.

  83. My phone has been giving me (bad, awful, terrible) Brewers’ scores all week and I’m having a hard time squaring that with the weather. Snowing, it is.

  84. We finally got a good long hard rain breaking the winter drought season, after which furious growth, followed by citrus blossoms, which in turn delivers that mighty fragrance to the air. Delicious.

  85. At first I was jealous and then I was all, “This is why the Dolphins can’t play football.”

  86. ‘Cept for those aberrant years way back when, of course. And even then they were encumbered with those goofy colors, god knows.

  87. As those aberrant years came before my birth, I can’t actually know firsthand that any of that actually happened.

    Elaborate hoax? Well… I can’t say for certain.

  88. Our friend Danger seems to have seen something worth preserving in the memory banks. Me, I’m for forgetting my wounds at their hands.

  89. Happy, if you are so into garriage, why don’t you just get garried and tell us all about it.

  90. Let’s try that again:

    Now these are the words which Jesus taught his disciples that they should say unto the people.

    Judge not unrighteously, that ye be not judged; but judge righteous judgment.

    For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    If you’re not supposed to judge anyone at all, then why explain that you’re going to be judged the same way you judge others? If you bust people’s chops just to satisfy your own moral vanity at their expense, God will judge you harshly. If you are just and merciful in your judgments, then that same justice and mercy will be meted out to you in the end.

    And again, ye shall say unto them, Why is it that thou beholdest the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and canst not behold a beam in thine own eye?

    And Jesus said unto his disciples, Beholdest thou the scribes, and the Pharisees, and the priests, and the Levites? They teach in their synagogues, but do not observe the law, nor the commandments; and all have gone out of the way, and are under sin.

    Go thou and say unto them, Why teach ye men the law and the commandments, when ye yourselves are the children of corruption?

    Say unto them, Ye hypocrites, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    Jesus frequently condemned the scribes (academics) and Pharisees (religious leadership) for their persecution of people who violated not The Law but the reams of ticky-tacky traditions that the academics had amassed over the centuries. The Pharisees and scribes had the whole society wrapped around the axles with these rules, and they emphasized conformity to tradition over the weightier matters of the law. They were the blind leading the blind, and their corruption made them singularly unworthy to condemn people for breaking tiny little rules when they themselves violated the whole law.

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    These people were exactly like today’s Leftists: they destroy those who refuse to conform to their moral pretenses, even though they are guiltier of sin than those they accuse. Look how backwards this is:

    And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.

    And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.

    And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.

    And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

    And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

    And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

    Jesus also healed the man at Bethesda on the Sabbath, telling him to take up his bed and walk. So he did, and the Pharisees and scribes freaked out because he was carrying something on the Sabbath. The fact that he had been miraculously healed impressed them not at all. They saw his miracles with their own eyes, but Jesus didn’t honor their corrupt traditions, so he had to be destroyed.

  91. Hah Mr. Moe you remindered me I need to order the spicy ginger ale!

    I think about that sometimes, and very fondly

    I think it was basically just maker’s plus spicy ginger ale

  92. Ginger beer, happy. Plus Gosling’s dark rum= Dark and Stormy.

  93. Gulermo: “To whom was HE speaking?” Well, since that’s part of the Sermon on the Mount, everybody. Your point? “The go and sin no more” bit is from a completely different part.

    “Are you always this dis-honest?” Go fuck yourself. And that’s the end of that conversation.

    Darleen: “It actually is call for you to be prepared to judge others by judging yourself first.”

    According to the religion I was brought up in, all are sinners and are destined for Hell without forgiveness from Christ, and all are equally entitled to that forgiveness, even if, yes, they sin again. Which they will do. Now, I don’t quite believe that as it was presented to me, but that the way I was taught it.

    Courts and laws are things of Caesar. Different thing entirely.

    If we’re going to get judgy, though, in my judgment two guys playing with their penises is pretty far down the scale from, say, Communist death camps.

    But by all means keep concentrating on this issue, if it’s that vital to you.

  94. Only two things in life are certain.

    If I turn on an FM radio I am probably going to hear Led Zeppelin.

    If I read a Darleen Click post it is probably going to be about gay marriage.

  95. There’s this bit from later in Matthew that has some relevance:

    He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

    Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

    Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

    Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.

  96. If we’re going to get judgy, though, in my judgment two guys playing with their penises is pretty far down the scale from, say, Communist death camps.
    But by all means keep concentrating on this issue, if it’s that vital to you.

    I think there’s a bit more at stake here than our approval or approbation of two guys playing with their penises.

    To say nothing of the marriage debate.

  97. There was a time when I thought both happyfeet and BMoe were good guy’s with valuable insights and contributions for the conversation.

    Now, I mostly think both are griefers and people I could live the rest of my life happier for never hearing from again.

    For what it’s worth, which ain’t much I know, and so I don’t read here as much as I used to.

    Don’t worry. I know that breaks no ones heart…

  98. Only two things in life are certain.

    If I turn on an FM radio I am probably going to hear Led Zeppelin.

    If I read a Darleen Click post it is probably going to be about gay marriage.

    Sounds to be pretty fucking vital to you, happyfeet, and SBP too.

    Maybe once you can call your penis a good wife, you can work on convincing the world a cat is a dog, so the blind can have a seeing eye companion that covers it’s own shit…

  99. geez beemoe

    I’ve posted on the bad economy, infanticide, stupidity from CA, Robert Redford’s love letter to the Weather Underground, CVS requiring weigh-ins from employees and Peeps v 50 caliber

    but hey I write on nothing but same-sex marriage!

    hammer sees nothing but nails

  100. I mostly think both are griefers and people I could live the rest of my life happier for never hearing from again.

    Nope. No signs of an echo chamber here. Just intelligent, good faith constructive discussion.

    This is the fucking problem in a nutshell. Fuck all the really important shit, the existential shit vital to saving the country and preserving our freedoms.

    Fuck all that. The most important Goddamn thing in the whole world is stopping gays from marrying.

    Fuck this shit. We really are too fucking stupid to survive.

  101. About the end of that Steyn quote above:

    Instead, the relentless propagandizing grows ever more heavy-handed: The tolerance enforcers will not tolerate dissent; the diversity celebrators demand a ruthless homogeneity. Much of the progressive agenda — on marriage, immigration, and much else — involves not winning the argument but ruling any debate out of bounds. Perhaps like Jeremy Irons you don’t have “strong feelings” on this or that, but, if you do, enjoy them while you can.

    As Shigalov said in Dostoevsky’s Demons (aka The Possessed):

    “Having devoted my energy to studying the question of the social organization of the future society which is to replace the present one, I have come to the conclusion that all creators of social systems from ancient times to our year have been dreamers, tale-tellers, fools who contradicted themselves and understood precisely nothing of natural science or of that strange animal known as man. Plato, Rousseau, Fourier, aluminum columns—this is fit perhaps for sparrows, but not for human society. But since the future social form is necessary precisely now, when we are finally going to act, so as to stop any further thinking about it, I am suggesting my own system of world organization. Here it is! I wanted to explain my book to the gathering in the briefest possible way; but I see that I will have to add a great deal of verbal clarification, and therefore the whole explanation will take at least ten evenings, according to the number of chapters in my book. Besides that, I announce ahead of time that my system is not finished. I got entangled in my own data, and my conclusion directly contradicts the original idea from which I start. Starting from unlimited freedom, I conclude with unlimited despotism. I will add, however, that apart from my solution of the social formula, there can be no other.”

  102. The most important Goddamn thing in the whole world is stopping gays from marrying.

    You’re right, of course. We are never to question the implications on societal structure with the declaration that men and women are fungible when ZOMG what about those jobs?

    #1 we are incapable of carrying on multiple conversations
    #2 we must be staunch pragmatists
    #3 it wouldn’t be prudent
    #4 and just shut up

  103. As Mark Steyn once again demonstrates, we spent four-and-a-half decades fighting communism abroad just to turn around and impose it at home. Although this time, the imposition is being done under the guise of “progressivism.”

  104. I’m inclined to go ahead and confess to committing thought crime now already. Which one? Well, all of them, of course, and the others too. May as well get cracking early.

  105. This is the fucking problem in a nutshell. Fuck all the really important shit, the existential shit vital to saving the country and preserving our freedoms.
    Fuck all that. The most important Goddamn thing in the whole world is stopping gays from marrying.
    Fuck this shit. We really are too fucking stupid to survive.

    So, you’re saying this isn’t a hill worth dying on? He asked snarkily.

    I would be interested in hearing the case made that gay marriage is a step in the right direction towards saving and preserving all that really important shit.

    Of course, that’s going to be hard to do when sex differences, and the complementarity of the sexes are existential issues.

    And yes, we in the West are too stupid to survive because we insist on pretending that nature is a social construct.

  106. Perhaps we should put on an old Run-DMC album and take a break.

    Yes, it is tricky, Jam Master Jay.

  107. And yes, we in the West are too stupid to survive because we insist on pretending that nature is a social construct.

    While also insisting that reality is racist, sexist, homophobic, and mean. Thus begetting the Tyranny of Nice.

  108. Mr. Red this was the one I had in Athens

    maybe it was the red cap one … not sure

    but it’s special stuff

  109. gay marriage is my favorite next to stopping the spendings but gay marriage is a lot more feasible given that we have to go to war with the Team R we’ve got

  110. And this would be an example of what I’m talking about when I say that we’ve become accustomed to thinking of nature as a social construct:

    i don’t personally know any parents what actively campaign to ostracize their own children from social institutions like marriage

    Or maybe it’s more in line with the Death of the Grown-Up (whoever’s thesis that was):

    If you like X so much, why don’t you marry s/he/it?

  111. Yes, that did involve Penn and Teller learning to “rap dance” from Run-DMC in Brooklyn 25 years ago.

    It happened but then we all forgot about it.

  112. The most important Goddamn thing in the whole world is stopping gays from marrying.

    Rand Paul seems to understand this is not the hill now is not the time.

    But he’s the only one really. Maybe Jindal.

    Roobs has had something of an epiphany but he’s smarmy and fake.

    Poor Team R.

  113. Principium tertii exclusi.

    Latin for the win!

  114. Just to complete my previous thought: my objection is that marriage isn’t merely a social institution, it’s a natural one.

  115. People know I’m being all ironic and shit, right?

  116. ‘Cause I am.

  117. natural social it all comes out in the wash

    hey daddy

    DADDY!

    what’s a three doller beeyul?

  118. natural social it all comes out in the wash

    Is that philosophical elision or systemic bracketing? Who cares, it’ll all come out in the wash.

    Yay, we can all be really stupid and ironic. Uhhh, because or something. Grunt.

  119. See, this is the problem with vouching for morons, it drains your own account.

  120. so does inflation

    it’s the cruelest tax of all

  121. Let’s all make a concerted effort to be really, really stupid and glib.

    This is the very foundation of civilization. I read it on a tattoo or some graffiti or something and also fart noise.

  122. atural social it all comes out in the wash

    No, no it doesn’t all wash out.

    Daddy had a Y chromosome, even if DaddyMommy had to use a turkey baster to fertilize MommyMommy’s ovum with it.

    And no matter how many years DaddyMommy spent as the butchest butch in the Amazon regiment, she’s still not a male role model for her child.

  123. “why not incest?” asked Erick Erickson, plaintively

  124. Ke$ha!

    And purple highlights!

    This is what the world needs to fight high taxes and other super important things. Zazzle and, also, vim.

  125. Blurg. Yaffle!

  126. i didn’t like that last ke$ha song

    the one they had to pull after the newtown baby wazzles got killed

    i think she dodged a bullet there really

  127. Hipster douche is the new black I guess.

  128. See, don’t worry folks, ‘feets and I are here to defend Western Civilization by not caring much and commenting on pop stars.

    Don’t scoff. I see you there, scoffing. Don’t.

    YOLO, mofos!

  129. #dontgiveafuckitstheweekend

  130. #failedalgebra

  131. was anyone else befuddled to see Aaron Johnson had become Aaron Taylor-Johnson

    I had to ask the googles why – I remember him getting married but I’ve only seen the new name in print just recently

    I hope that doesn’t become a thing

    and man she just isn’t getting any better looking is she bless her heart

  132. #nowimajanitor

  133. And anyways, the baby wazzles weren’t killed, they were subjected to kinetic abortions in the 24tb-28th trimester range!

    right ‘feets?

  134. Totally, ‘feets. I totally saw all about that and also books are boring.

    Zazzle!

  135. the googles say he only started getting billed that way last year with the release of Anna Karenina

  136. I hear ya, ‘feets, I’d like totally date my stepdad.

  137. You’re like all judgy and bitchy and cunty with your lack of positive feedback.

    Uncool. Unfollowed. Blocked.

  138. i don’t have no feedbacks I already took my pills I’m a get up early and go to work for so I can order stuff from india and have it monday morning

    cause of the obamacares the outsourcings have become super mas importante

  139. #showeduplateforwork

  140. #mathishard

  141. #civicsux

  142. #bobbyorr

  143. Sophie and Sean were better than Kiera and Aaron?

  144. Fergalicious!

  145. I’m glad that we’ve been able to finally shrug off our old hidebound traditions here in the comments and just get as stupid as slugs.

    This is the true story of seven strangers picked to live in a house…

  146. the new one is supposed to suck Mr. Ernst

  147. Hoochie!

  148. ” bh says April 6, 2013 at 10:58 pm
    Blurg. Yaffle! ”

    I’m okay with Blurg, but what’s this yaffle shit? I’m not down with yaffle. Yaffle sounds like something from China trying to compete with google. I’ll have none of that in my internets. No thank you!

  149. Oh, pickles, Mr. Palaeo. You’re mean.

    Also, pop stars are very interesting and they have important lessons to teach us all.

    Fail shit. And, maybe, pickles again.

  150. I was just out with my friend M and we were in a zone but enough about that because all of a sudden a food truck.

    So, you can see why I don’t take Mr. Burke seriously.

  151. I went to go see the new GI Joe movie. I was the only person in the theatre. That showing made $12 total. I thought it was stupid but not stupid enough. They killed all the GI Joes but like five of them. I’m not sure that’s productive as far as franchise building goes. Kids no longer play with GI Joes, not even the dinky ones that got their start in the 80’s. I assume this was aimed at a 30+ year old audience. I’m 41 and I don’t understand really who that movie was for. Bruce Willis and the Rock and that huge guy who played the roman legionaire from Rome (Titus Pullo?) was in it. It had a ninja break in the middle where it just went ninja. Then it went back to army stuff. They blew up London in it.

  152. I’ve given it five minutes to roll around in my head, but that whole Yaffle thing still just reeks of curdled suck. It sounds like a Korean Techno band made up of kids from the 1990’s.

  153. ‘Bout time: London’s been asking for it with its filthy brits run amok.

  154. More like GI Cumslut, amirite?

    See, after saying something like this for the thousandth time it sorta sounds played out to my ear but I should probably persevere because that’s what Ms. Gaga would want.

  155. “pop stars” -> poop stars.

    That’s a new reality show idea. It will be huge. You can use that one for free. It’s bound to be better than the big splash celebrity diving thing. It will have something to do with proctology.

  156. have I mentioned how you’re mean, Mr. Palaeo

    ’cause you are

  157. Mrs. Palin if you’re nasty.

  158. maybe I should say something trolly ’cause I’m gettin’ bored now

  159. Make up some shit about how you are eating a slice of rhubarb pie. That’s what the feets method calls for next I’m thinking.

  160. kathleen harris wore very garish makeup

    it’s true!

  161. Fuck all that. The most important Goddamn thing in the whole world is stopping gays from marrying.

    Ok, I’ve seen the light. Of course a guy can be a blushing bride! Why Not?

    Also, let’s give up one our bigotry and start calling illegal aliens “citizens”, for the fairness. We should accept consensus as the very definition of “science” too. Plus, every exhalation really should be called “pollution”, if we’re to be fair. And speaking of fair, greedy is a perfect synonym for “wealthy”. Too, why insist on a second amendment right, when it actually just comes down to if you have a “need”? If people don’t get jobs, and stop even looking, what could be wrong with calling it “a decrease in the unemployment rate”?

    Worrying about all these piddling minor distractions is stupid when we have real problems to worry about.

  162. Okay I fixed that whole Yaffle! thing so it wouldn’t sound like a diet energy drink from Finland or something you shout at the end of a novelty card game.

    Ay! Ker’Yaffle!

    Okay. Well, it made MY dick hard anyway.

  163. How many carbs are in that rhubarb pie? I bet it’s lots of carbs! Giggle.

  164. it’s like many carbs, mr. paleo

    you could walk there to get one and then back and it’s still more carbs.

  165. In the meantime, Rome burns because of hatey haters who distract us all from the REAL ISSUES with there hatey hate issues, so let me throw this bucket labeled “gasoline” on the fire to show how serious I am and how unserious all the hatey haters are.

  166. toot toot

    that’s the noise the train makes when it leaves the station

    get on board! hurry! otherwise I’ll be all later hater

  167. The Tao of stupidity. by Lao DURRRRRRRRR Tse

  168. rhubarb pie is hard to come by here except for at du-par’s where you can get it a a lot cause of it’s a “pie classic”

    but you can have strawberry rhubarb noosa for a treat any old time you want almost

    it’s that decadent yogurt what they make with cream

  169. An engineer could never write something like ‘Hills like White Elephants’. That had a train in it. And a couple talking over the fates of some maybe babies. Juche!

  170. And have you ever noticed how the other side has all these groups who like wear these I’m a member of an approved victim group AND I VOTE! T-shirts and the brain trust on our side is like “omigod, they vote! What are we going to do to get them to vote for us?” And the guy who says, “how about we print up a bunch of shirts for our groups so they can say they vote too?” always winds up being the guy who gets tossed out the window –which is okay because he was like only an intern or something because nobody important would make a suggestion like that, seeing as how none of our groups are like approved victim groups being designated oppressor class oppressors like they are. Why is that?

    So what I want to know is, who is that designates these groups the way they do?Because that’s where the real juice is at.

  171. I was just going to say that about the yogurts, ‘feets, and maybe something about a dessert gastrique because we’re sassy and aspirational, us two.

  172. maybe you should jesus less, mr. german name

    very few people aspire there now and also ke$ha

  173. I bet a desert gastrique would be very dry and might even have a touch of sand in it. Like sad old lifey doodle christer’s vajayjay. Thatst what I am thinking.

  174. hooooooooooooooooochy food stamp a go-go.

  175. too true, mr dinosaur

    here’s a video with japanese cats

  176. now that we’re all onboard lets go recruit people for the new Team R

    remember to mention panna cotta, people really like panna cotta

  177. I’m a pod and I vote!

  178. YAFFLE!

  179. I’m a half honky, half frito bandito, mackerel snapper, heteronormative Texan imperialist and I vote!

  180. yay! me, too!

    remember to order the ceviche in the mason jar that when you open it real apple wood smoke comes out and then the politics things

    mainly remember the mason jar thing and then we’ll come back here later and complain about lifey-doodles and haters because that’s very most important

  181. Lindsey Graham/Nyan Cat 2016!

  182. maybe you should jesus less, mr. german name
    very few people aspire there now and also ke$ha

    You talk to me like that again and I’ll invade Wisconsin,

    in a wide sweeping flanking maneuver that will first require me to violate Illinois’s neutrality.

    After that I’ll make you listen to Bach.

    Because he was German.

    And Jesusy.

    graze sheep, graze.

  183. a lot of those words seem fake, mr. sota

    have you ever had yogurt where they put the fruit in the middle

    it’s a thing now

  184. Yogurt is Greeks And you know how those Greeks are.

    It might be contagious.

  185. “You talk to me like that again and I’ll invade Wisconsin,”

    Your tank treads will get caught in all the cheese. You will find a cow behind every tree. We will bury you! We will bury! (pounds shoe on table)

  186. i don’t personally know any parents what actively campaign to ostracize their own children from social institutions like marriage

    My Mom keeps ostracizing me from abortion.

  187. The most important Goddamn thing in the whole world is stopping gays from marrying.

    No, the most important Goddamn thing in the whole world is changing the definition of marriage so that two dudes can do it. Don’t you read the papers?

  188. If we’re going to get judgy, though, in my judgment two guys playing with their penises is pretty far down the scale from, say, Communist death camps.

    Curious, the statists seem to think that redefining marriage into absurdity and out of existence in order to clear the field of an institution that competes for the state’s available “clients” is a goal worth the fighting for.

    An intermediary step to:

    “[W]e have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to their communities.”

    http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2013/04/04/msnbcs-harris-perry-americas-kids-belong-their-communities

    How many more prefatory steps to the first death camps should we stand by and allow, SBP? Should we yell stop when they snatch your children away for ideologically correct education, because your bourgeois/fascist/hateful views on this or that can’t be tolerated? When children are encouraged to inform on their parents in favor of the “community” to which they belong? What is the break point between that and the death camps?

  189. And yes, we in the West are too stupid to survive because we insist on pretending that nature is a social construct.

    While also insisting that reality is racist, sexist, homophobic, and mean. Thus begetting the Tyranny of Nice.

    The reality of nature IS racist (or at least speciesist) sexist, homophobic and mean. The social reconstruction of reality which we call civilization came about to ameliorate some of the harsher realities. Our problem is that we’ve become so categorically confused that people now seriously propose nurturing the natural right out of us by calling “nature” nurture and “nurture” natural.

  190. Nature seems central to many political topics under contention, don’t it? Is there a serious examination of the origins of nature in intellectual history underway in the American academy? Or are those origins of nature buried ever further under a heap of propaganda, precisely to avoid any such examination? Or, possibly, as it appears superficially, in some terrifically skewed ratio reflecting the relative — albeit shifting — store of political power in the varied camps of inquiry, both?

  191. Nature seems central to many political topics under contention, don’t it?

    “why not incest?” asked Erick Erickson, gazing distractedly out the window of the new BMW 7 series he bought with his sweet sweet CNN propaganda slut monies

  192. Handy instruction books abound:

    The Black Book of Communism (translated from the French, who know from Communism)
    and
    Wild Swans, a memoir written by a Chinese woman that covers the fuck-upedness of China from the days of the Boxer Rebellion to the 80’s

  193. There was a psychologist called Erik Erikson who was nearly as influential as Jean Piaget in regard to child development theory.

    He was a much more interesting fellow than Erick Erickson who is not the deepest of thinkers.

  194. No, the most important Goddamn thing in the whole world is changing the definition of marriage so that two dudes can do it. Don’t you read the papers?

    Troll! Griefer!

  195. #1 we are incapable of carrying on multiple conversations

    So prove to me you can. That is all I am asking. Try to keep the gay marriage hysteria down to like maybe 5 or 10% of your posts and I will happily ignore them.

  196. I think bh has the core of hf’s schtick down.

  197. You know what always works? Telling other people what to write about.

  198. Happyspeak is easy. Five or six reference topics and a lot of swear words and you’re golden.

    Why one would want to do this is another matter.

  199. That’s only part of it. Word choice, rhythm, etc., are also essential.

  200. It’s like a Dr. Seuss story. You read one, you’ve got it down pat.

  201. the more she writes about the gay marriages the faster people will come to realize the debate is over I think

    I wish our stupid little country would undergo as much of a paradigm shift about drilling the oils or cutting the spendings

  202. “It happened but then we all forgot about it.”

    I dunno bh,

    Those Addidas shoes are making a comeback but I’ll bet Penn Jillete would like us all to forget that hairstyle.

    “but I have a feeling if we were all having beers in person a few physical winks and smiles would make all the difference in the world.”

    That’s why I use ;), :D and sometimes ;^) for emphasis. Unfortunately the beers will have to be shared virtually.

  203. You know what always works? Telling other people what to write about.

    You know what never works? Talking to an audience that isn’t interested in your point.

    Ask me how I know.

  204. The surest sign the debate isn’t over is being assured that the debate is already over.

  205. hello world hear the song what we’re singin

    c’mon get happy

  206. So you’re saying that proclaiming “‘Nuff said!” doesn’t settle it?

    Words to the wise.

  207. nonono is not nuff said i think it’s touching and poignant to see desperate posts like this one what shriek CHILD ABUSE over innocuous albeit retarded cable news pablum

    these are thinkings what usefully inform the non-debate I think

  208. I’m not talking about this post per se.

  209. “Our friend Danger seems to have seen something worth preserving in the memory banks. Me, I’m for forgetting my wounds at their hands.”

    Darn skippy sdferr,

    You people need me to check your coords and adjust for windage, lest I come in there and clean up this thread OPA CSONKA STYLE!!!

  210. Any “hysteria” about same-sex marriage is firmly ensconced on the “IT IS OUR RIGHT TO MARRY WHOM WE LOVE!!1! AND IF YOU DON’T GIVE IT TO US NOW WE’LL FUCK YOU UP” loving advocate side.

    “Shut up” he said

  211. that might could be the leastest self-aware comment i ever read my whole life

  212. desperate posts like this one what shriek CHILD ABUSE

    Shriek?

    Oh hell, why not? In a world where promoting the constitution makes one an “extremist”, what can’t be characterized as “shrieking”?

  213. Hey, Lee! How goes the smoke free lifestyle?

  214. that might could be the leastest self-aware comment i ever read my whole life

    You’ve certainly written enough of them yourself to have a notion what they might look like.

  215. If you don’t want to be accused of shrieking, don’t type in all caps.

    Just sayin’.

  216. Still smoke free thank you very much.

    Fighting the battle of the bulge now, but I’m not too worried. I figure it won’t be long before obese is redefined to meet Michelle Obama’s goals, and besides, it ain’t fair that fat people can’t fit into airplane seats.

    NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!!

  217. You’ll be fine once yardwork season starts in earnest. Plus, you should have a list of honey-does as long as your leg with the new house.

    Props for sticking with it.

  218. If you don’t want to be accused of shrieking, don’t type in all caps.

    CSONKA is always all caps (its a thing), and the only ones shrieking were the ones trying to tackle him!
    So good day sir :^!

  219. “you should have a list of honey-does as long as your leg with the new house.”

    True dat!

    Up to my ears in paint now…

  220. Well, beemoe, maybe you should direct the shrieking comment to the people I was paraphrasing.

    You know, the people who have had H8ters fired, ruined their businesses, made them resign, or stalked and harassed them for daring to believe exactly what Obama & Hillary did a few months ago.

  221. the same people who will be suing churches, charities and schools once this new “right” has been found lurking in some emanation of penumbra of the living Constitution.

  222. I taught my kids that you are crazy! We will bury you! (Pounds table on shoe).

  223. Also, global warmings!

  224. travlin along there’s a song what we’re singin

    cmon get happy

  225. California Dreamin’

  226. That dream is dead. Dead and buried, palaeo.

  227. I wonder how many of those who were fired for being gay were fired for being gay, not fired for engaging in specific behaviors at work.

    Actually, no, I don’t.

    Personally, I think we need to get rid of federalism. A single, centralized command structure is very staunch and very conservative, and likely won’t lead to abuses.

  228. i’ll meet you halfway its better than no way sang the partridges also.

  229. It’s spreading like a fungus among us if you ask me. Easy stupid answers (that are very expensive and a misery to implement) are sold with promises of regular bonks on the head for all non buyers. America is becoming like it’s ugly back porch. The paint peels. The boards squeak as you walk. The tiles crack. But everyone pretends that it’s fine.

  230. Which is great if you are a termite.

  231. there’s no single centralized command and control states get to decide whether or not people can be fired just for being gay or not

    me I would never fire someone just for being gay I wouldn’t need a law to tell me not to do that

  232. me I would never fire someone just for being gay I wouldn’t need a law to tell me not to do that

    you’d just fire everyone who didn’t adore the gays because you are intolerant of intolerance and that’s the best kind of intolerance.

  233. no i do not think that is a true statement

  234. I don’t like having to do business with gays who feel the need to be fabulous! all the time.

    It’s just creepy.

  235. you do have to be careful not to let haters create a hostile work environment though this is true

    but you get to talk to them first and say hey cut it out with the hateyness it makes everything all squicky and awkward i don’t want to have to fire you I really appreciate the contributions you make hey did you see there’s zucchini bread in the kitchen it’s yum and there’s a tub of whipped cream cheese on the door in the fridge for to put on the zucchini bread

    ok good talk … let’s circle back around this afternoon and go over that presentation for tuesday

  236. then the haters can be fired with a clear conscience because cupcakes.

  237. Frankly, I don’t like to do business with people who aren’t business-like.

  238. nothing says hey we’re all about creating a non-hostile environment like zucchini bread in the kitchen I think Mr. cranky

  239. What’s hostile about expecting people to STFU about their personal lives at work? It’s right up there with not bringing in political materials to toss on the counter next to the coffee machine.

  240. So what is the classical liberal case for gay marriage? And why is it none of the classical liberals made it? What did they know about marriage that we’ve forgotten?

  241. the classical liberal case for gay marriage is hey you wanna get married no skin off my nuts

  242. would you like to hear the classical liberal case for legalizing the marijuanas?

  243. I think we need to define the child parent relationship. I should have the right to decide that everyone are my children or enemies of my children or that I am other people’s children. Other people should not be setting those boundaries for me.

  244. The parent child relationship should be more fluid. More plastic. I should be in control of it. Because I’m different and better than everyone else.

  245. “would you like to hear the classical liberal case for legalizing the marijuanas?”

    Oh is THAT the most important issue that we don’t really have time to discuss now ?

  246. i will take that as a no

  247. Parent-child relationships should be dictatorial. I am a benevolent dictator, however.

  248. the classical liberal case for gay marriage is hey you wanna get married no skin off my nuts

    Hey you wanna call your union with a cabbage patch kid marriage ok just so long as you really love her.

    Incidentally, I voted for decriminalizing marijuana in CO. All that requires is changing a plant from one that is criminalized to one that isn’t. It doesn’t require changing a plant into a fish.

  249. it’s like when they come out with a new kind of frozen snack like for example tasty naanwiches

    you’re not redefining frozen snacks you just have a tasty new choice

  250. you’re not redefining frozen snacks you just have a tasty new choice

    Which is why the analogy doesn’t work. Now, were it a steaming hot entree that was insisting on calling itself a frozen snack, then we’d be cooking with peanut oil.

  251. oh. by frozen snack I mean you buy it frozen then you heat it up in the microwave

    other frozen snacks are include burritos, white castle slider thingers, taquitos, pizza rolls and those jimmy dean biscuit sammich thingers

  252. oh. then change steaming hot entrees to shoe horns in my counter example.

    other accessories for shoes and feet that don’t get to call themselves either shoes or feet include laces, toenail clippers, socks, air pillow insoles, odor relief balls, gold bond powder and trees for to keep the shape of a good loafer.

  253. this is one of those agree to disagree things huh

    still, I was axed for to give a classically liberal case for gay marriage and I done my best

    there ain’t no shame in that

  254. only if you want to keep disagreeing when someone tells you that feet and toenail clippers are different things.

  255. what’s the class lib case for little debbie?

  256. toenail clippers are coming to your state very soon i think Mr. Jeff

    An April 2012 Public Policy Polling survey found that 53% of Colorado voters support the legalization of same-sex marriage, while 40% oppose it and 7% are not sure. A separate question on the same survey found that 75% of respondents support legal recognition for same-sex couples, with 47% supporting same-sex marriage and 28% supporting civil unions, while 22% oppose all legal recognition and 2% are not sure.

    how you could even begin to stop this juggernaut I cannot even speculate

  257. You know, I flew from Tulsa to San Francisco (with a stop in Denver) and back all while carrying a pocket knife in my purse and no one was harmed.

    The contraband was unintentionally carried since it was in a zipper pocket in my purse. Our crack TSA teams missed it, even when they unloaded my carry-on and made a big mess out of it, they still never opened my purse. They did lecture me about the size of my travel shampoo and a bottle of perfume, though.

  258. I’m not just pushing the redefinition of parent/child as a counter example to show the futility of redefinition of marriage.

    I’m trying to warn that that it is on the agenda not for tomorrow, but for today.
    and tied to the very story that this post was originally about.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/msnbc-all-your-children-are-belong-to-us/

    Not that collectivist plays for exlusive possession of hearts and minds of the youth are NEW exactly.

  259. Also creme frosted appalachian crumb cake if that helps the medicine go down.

  260. First of all, what she is saying has a kernel of truth to it, that is why public education was founded. What she is missing is when you Federalize it, you take it out of the hands of the community and it becomes a device for political indoctrination rather than education.

    What I don’t understand is how the first video of a mother teaching her children her personal beliefs is an example of this. Labeling it that “child abuse” is just opening the door for the same tactics to be used on you.

  261. I like the Italian Cream Cake, myself. I have all of the stuff to make a Hummingbird Cake, but I’m on the fence about it.

    Thoughts?

  262. italian cream cake but don’t put no nuts in it

  263. please

  264. “[N]o skin off my [emph. add.] nuts” is a bit solipsistic to be an argument, don’t you think?

    Oh wait. I think I see where I erred.

  265. BMoe, the original title of the article that started all this ruckus is MSNBC’s ‘The Cycle’ Exploits Host’s Child for Gay Marriage Argument” and is way down yonder at the bottom of Breitbart’s page.

  266. no is not sollapistic it just means there’s for sure no good reason to get upset if people wanna get gay married

  267. no good reason to get upset if people wanna get gay married

    when pigs fly we’ll talk about it

  268. “[N]o skin off my [emph. add.] nuts” is a bit solipsistic to be an argument, don’t you think?

    Nope. It is the most fundamental basis of libertarianism or classic liberalism. People are free to behave as they wish as long as it doesn’t infringe on your rights to property or liberty.

  269. No good reason that you can think of yourself, or would accept from somebody else.

    So, you’re kind of stuck on you.

  270. Haven’t really looked that far into it, leigh. If I wanted to know what MSNBC was up to I would watch it.

    What I don’t like is labeling a mother teaching her child her own personal beliefs is child abuse. Anybody capable of extended logic should be able to see the consequences of that path.

  271. You could have had civil unions 10 years ago , Happy.

    Judging by the polls you just posted.

  272. What part of individualism and classic liberalism are you confused about, Ernst?

  273. Team R has never supported civil unions Mr. BT

    they might coulda had civil unions ten years ago

    but they were very short-sighted

    now cometh the juggernaught, and Team R don’t get no say about it

  274. There is also the fact that the left doesn’t want to compromise on civil unions because then the issue goes away and they can’t use it to bludgeon social cons in the media no more.

  275. I gotcha, BMoe. I had come across the piece and realized the title had been changed, was all.

    People are free to teach their children whatever stupid shit they want, as long as they aren’t running a madrassah, IMO.

  276. People are free to behave as they wish as long as it doesn’t infringe on your rights to property or liberty.

    What about harm?

    [T]he sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others .

    Maintaining the distinction and the necessity of both sexes isn’t necessary? Treating men like women and women like men isn’t harmful to either the individual or the community?

    Bear in mind that nobody is talking about policing bedroom activity here: Adam and Steve can bugger each other in the privacy of their shared upscale condo to their hearts’s content.

    But their relationship isn’t a marriage. And the community shouldn’t consider it to be one, irrespective of hurt feelings.

  277. ok cool I’ll let Adam and Steve know they have a green light

  278. What part of individualism and classic liberalism are you confused about, Ernst?

    The part where the individual’s autonomy over his person ends; the part where the individual’s obligations and duty’s to the community he’s a part of, the union she’s formed, the association he’s joined, begin.

  279. Only if marriage is another word for fornication do they have a green light.

    In which case, a penalty is a fee is a tax and we’ll solve the debt crisis with a trillion dollar coin, ending the revenue shortage that keeps our spending out of alignment.

  280. The part where the individual’s autonomy over his person ends; the part where the individual’s obligations and duty’s to the community he’s a part of, the union she’s formed, the association he’s joined, begin.

    Which is exactly what the MSNBC folks in the Legal Insurrection link are protecting.

    So your problem with statism is more style than substance.

  281. beemoe

    It isn’t just soc-cons the Left is after. It is every social institution that doesn’t support their dogma. They want the force of law to obliterate the dissenters.

  282. I could say the same thing about your support for individualism.

    And my problem, by the way, is with right order.

    Everything in it’s proper place and a proper place for everything.

    Everyone included.

  283. The state is not best positioned to decide right order, by the way.

    In case there was any confusion about that.

  284. Understood Darleen. My overarching point is that because they have the media on their side in this we have to carefully choose where to focus our energies. Like it or not, this is as much a PR campaign as it is intellectual or philosophical, and gay marriage is one area you are getting your ass kicked PR wise.

    I am much more disturbed by things like this: (disturbing content warning)

    http://www.radiomitos.cl/magazin/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/thomas-beatie.jpg
    http://news.yahoo.com/judge-rejects-divorce-transgender-pregnant-man-162832151.html

    than I am two old queens wanting to play honeymooners. The children of this “mother” should be the center of your abuse concerns.

  285. The state is not best positioned to decide right order, by the way.

    Obviously that should be left up to you, lol.

  286. & now I have to duck out again

  287. the p.r. war is wonned a lil more every time a Team R stands up and says the whole “I believe marriage is between one man and one woman” cliche

    cause the number of people in America what thinks things like marriage should be a function of Team R’s beliefs is dwindling rapidly

    and the fascists know it

  288. Well, I guess next we get jailed for our beliefs, eh? Or murdered in the public square?

    Like the old saw says, you have to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything.

  289. Well, I guess next we get jailed for our beliefs, eh? Or murdered in the public square?

    it’s far worse than that you’ll just be ignored

  290. Doubt it. I try to be left alone, but it never works that way.

  291. “the p.r. war is wonned a lil more every time a Team R stands up and says the whole “I believe marriage is between one man and one woman” cliche”

    No, the pr war is won a little more the more Team R acts like a self hating wimp and lets fools like you cajole them into a position of useless servility and empty slogan pissing. The pr war is won a little more each time we buy into idiot stories and waste our time trying to carve out our own piece of the narrative action by submissively conforming to the whims of fashionable stupidity instead of acting like we believe in our beliefs.

  292. “it’s far worse than that you’ll just be ignored”

    So said the kulaks for a while. Then they said it no more.

  293. Isn’t it 31 states that have declared that marriage is defined as between a man and a woman, by popular vote, amending their constitutions, of that 31 i’m not sure how many ruled out civil unions as a workable alternative.

  294. Why enable the other side in the PR war when you can suck it off and do its laundry?

  295. leigh for reals I think what will happen is the anti-gay marriage people will be ignored cause of belief in 700 Club marriage will be marginalized

    it’s already happening

    what they failed to do on the global warmings is working much better on the subject of gay marriagings

    I think the reason why this is working more better is cause of how many people on the right are on the pro gay marriage side

  296. Just like “gun control” isn’t about reducing crime, “gay marriage” is not about the union of two people in domestic bliss or a facsimile thereof. They are both about control of people and their way of thinking and acting in society.

    I would urge whoever takes over as the party for classical liberals to leave “gay marriage” alone as far as a national platform goes. Declare it an issue for the states to decide (which it is, by the way) and move on. However, that does not mean that they can then denigrate those who wish to continue the battle for or against gay marriage in the culture wars; they just declare it as outside the national arena.

    If the Federal government had not been usurping power ever since the Constitution was ratified, in direct violation of the spirit of said Constitution, we would not be having these conversations.

  297. the p.r. war is wonned a lil more every time

    peeps start saying: the gayz are boring

  298. (1)I would urge whoever takes over as the party for classical liberals to leave “gay marriage” alone as far as a national platform goes. Declare it an issue for the states to decide (which it is, by the way) and move on. However, (2)that does not mean that they can then denigrate those who wish to continue the battle for or against gay marriage in the culture wars; they just declare it as outside the national arena.

    Just to be clear, I am advocating point one above. I do not mean to denigrate your positions, just to question the priority you are giving it in the overall battle.

    I got angry and abusive last night after repeatedly being called a troll, a griefer and a liar. I am not any of those things and any regular here who doesn’t understand that can kiss my ass.

  299. Obviously that should be left up to you, lol.

    Ad hom. huh? And there I was sure you were going to use your previous comment to play the argument from silence card against me.

    Maybe it’s just as well I got honeydo’d.

  300. peeps start saying: the gayz are boring

    Which is about the worst thing you can say to most gay men.

  301. Ad hom.? If I can’t decide my proper place, and it isn’t up to the state either, then who?

  302. the p.r. war is wonned a lil more every time a Team R stands up and says the whole “I believe marriage is between one man and one woman” cliche

    Is that a cliche like TANSTAAFL? or is it more in the line of a cliche like “you can’t go one spending money you don’t have”? Because the p.r. war is wonned a lil more every time Team R won’t speak the truth about whatever the issue at hand is, because the truth of the moment isn’t a hill worth dying on.

    cause the number of people in America what thinks things like marriage should be a function of Team R’s beliefs is dwindling rapidly

    Marriage isn’t a function of team R’s beliefs Marriage just is And if the only people who believe in marriage are Republicans, then only Republicans will get married.

    Just to keep the theme going.

  303. If I can’t decide my proper place, and it isn’t up to the state either, then who?

    Right reason, natural law and revealed truth, preferably.

    The Gods of the Copybook Headings if we, as both individuals and a community, can’t.

  304. Enabling the other side isn ‘t enough any more. Total submission is required. Even enthusiastic cheerleading for them may not be enough. And anyway they only hit us because we deserve it. If we just showed them how much we could love them…they’d stop.

    Except no, they wouldn’t. They’d be emboldened. They’d demand more. They are trying to demand more now. This isn’t judo we are pondering, it is surrender to a psychopath who is feeling both deleriously high and very angry at the same time. Good luck with that.

    They think that history as a sing that it is on their side has willingly sacrificed you to their personal greatness. You’d better fight while you can and stop this pitiful “point them at Akin and make fun of Palin and it will all go away” shit.

  305. as a sing -> as a sign

  306. To put it another way, everything they say is a shit test meant to hit you from all directions and leave you paralyzed and feeling overwhelmed.

  307. leigh for reals I think what will happen is the anti-gay marriage people will be ignored cause of belief in 700 Club marriage will be marginalized
    it’s already happening
    what they failed to do on the global warmings is working much better on the subject of gay marriagings
    I think the reason why this is working more better is cause of how many people on the right are on the pro gay marriage side

    Concensus based reality BITCHES!

    We’re all anti-foundationalists now.

  308. The truth is marriage doesn’t mean what it used to mean because of self-centered hetero behavior and the explosion of the welfare state.

    Quit hiding from those facts and trying to blame it all on the gays.

    Or look like a bunch of clueless, whiney losers, I could give a fuck.

  309. If you don’t give a fuck, why do you keep talking about it?

    Whether or not you think you aren’t denigrating people, you are.

  310. I mean, just look what society did to that poor man in BMoe’s link. First society told him he was a woman because he was born with a uterus. Then after a double masectomy and an addadictome, society made him give birth to three children for his (lesbian?) wife, and now society won’t give him a divorce because a man who’s a woman who’s a man can’t marry another woman in Arizona so there’s no valid marriage to begin with under Arizona law!

    What’s the poor guy got to do to demonstrate the INJUSTICE of it all? Throw himself in front of a train?

  311. 1)I would urge whoever takes over as the party for classical liberals to leave “gay marriage” alone as far as a national platform goes. Declare it an issue for the states to decide (which it is, by the way) and move on.

    Which is what many do. The problem is, we’re asked where we stand personally on the issue — and there’s a reason. If we leave the issue to the states, it is (properly) a political issue. And I’d want my state to avoid it because of all the legal slippery slopedness we’re already beginning to see, like, eg., mandating infertility treatment for couples whose principals are probably already aware that banging each other in the ass isn’t going to make a baby, no matter how much money you demand insurance companies throw at the “problem.” And as I’ve argued, I don’t see how you admit gay marriage as a fundamental civil right and than deny the “right” of marriage based on number.

    Therefore, we advance our own arguments and reasoning and try to win people over to our side. For all the talk about how the debate is already lost, many states, including the very blue California, continue to hold referendums, and those who we’re told have lost the debate keep winning the proposition votes. How crazy is that?

    I’m sure lots of people thought going after Big Tobacco was righteous. But those who went after Big Tobacco had other targets in mind, including Big Carbonated Beverage and Big Pork Rind and Big Snack Cakes and Big Bake Sale and Big Vending Machine. Gay marriage is not about forming a loving, legally-recognized, monogamous union. It is about force. And after that, destruction .

  312. What amazes me is that with all the “popular sentiment” for gay marriage, the majority of states have recent constitutional amendments forbidding it, so i guess the tidal wave of vox populi must be aimed at the courts because if left to a democratic vote it would only pass in a small minority of states. Simply because the votes are not there.

  313. The truth is marriage doesn’t mean what it used to mean because of self-centered hetero behavior and the explosion of the welfare state.

    Marriage means what it always meant. We just use the explosion of the welfare state (and, of course, a past set of self-centered abuses) to persist in new forms of self-centered behavior, which we then justify to ourselves by saying that marriage doesn’t mean what it used to mean.

  314. Trolls are people who go out of their way to pick fights with people who obviously don’t want to fight. One of their tactics is to read meanings into other people’s comments that were obviously not intended.

    I will address B Moe as B Moe when he acts like B Moe. When he acts otherwise I will address him as beemoe. Because when he was calling himself B Moe I don’t remember him ever acting like beemoe.

    You do know you can change your display name anytime here, right?

  315. how you could even begin to stop this juggernaut I cannot even speculate

    You make your arguments and you hope people don’t follow a preference cascade simply because they want to wear a ribbon and show people how they voted for something historic.

  316. And by the way, that same juggernaut is what also took guns out of our hands her in CO. Nice side you’re on, Staunch.

  317. I am not saying the debate is over, Jeff, I am saying I don’t think this particular point is worth the attention it is given.

    One thing you learn in competitive debate is you don’t have to win every point to win the debate, and some points are best left alone depending on the position you are arguing. A good debater will try to bait the other side into focusing on positions they perceive as a weakness, our coach called it leading them down the primrose path, because if you can get the other side to stress their weak points rather than their strengths you have a much better chance to beat them.

    This is what the left is doing, and you are letting them bait you.

    Make them fight the battles you have the best chance of winning. This isn’t submission, it is just the opposite, it is fighting to win.

  318. You do know you can change your display name anytime here, right?

    Tell it to wordpress. I changed my name because wordpress won’t let me log on the old handles. Don’t read anything more into it than that.

    And if you don’t want to defend your position, or “pick a fight”, then why make a post to begin with?

  319. The left isn’t baiting me. They are pushing dangerous legislation that if passed carries the force of law — and if passed as a civil right carries the force of law forever.

    My eye is on the ball.

  320. I love guns but Big Marriage needs to be taken down a peg i think. It’s grown prideful and saucy and unresponsive to the people it’s supposed to serve.

  321. B Moe and beemoe are actually homophones Mr. McGehee

    NTTAWWT

  322. because they have the media on their side in this we have to carefully choose where to focus our energies. Like it or not, this is as much a PR campaign as it is intellectual or philosophical, and gay marriage is one area you are getting your ass kicked PR wise.

    So “shut up” and be pragmatic?

    Hey, what makes you feel that your link isn’t part/parcel of the whole “same-sex couples are exactly like opposite-sex couples because sex is a social construct meant to keep oppressive heteronormativity as privileged as white skin”?

    I don’t give a flying fig about PR. Is that how we decide what is right/wrong now-days?

    And why worry about the children of the sex-fraud man/woman? It’s not like they really belong to their parent(s) anyways

    “We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents”

    We really need to get rid of the word “parents” … it’s not inclusive enough and moms & dads are just an old-fashioned cliche like marriage being one man/one woman.

    You know, you keep saying “that’s not the hill to die on” enough and you find yourself without any hills except the one at your back when they finally get to YOU to eliminate.

  323. The truth is marriage doesn’t mean what it used to mean because of self-centered hetero behavior and the explosion of the welfare state.

    Quit hiding from those facts and trying to blame it all on the gays.

    Or look like a bunch of clueless, whiney losers, I could give a fuck.

    I could almost take this objection seriously if the people who encouraged all the “self-centered hetero behavior” (meaning, the things that marriage is a countermeasure against) weren’t the same people advocating in favor of homosexual pretend marriage.

    Seriously – what is it about dissent from the right, wherein the dissenter has to employ all of the facile, strawmen arguments that I could hear from Jon Stewart or Jimmy Fallon with the benefit of a characteristic mug for the camera?

  324. Maybe I’m already dead like Bruce Willis in that movie.

    Hudson Hawk I think it was…

  325. Also caraway seed and peanut strudels with caramel drizzle instead of rock sugar because of the carbs y’all.

  326. What is Big Marriage?

  327. Buttered popcorn flavored soda ! And Cher will never die because she really scares the hell out of the grim reaper.

  328. It’s like Big Forward and Big Change but not as well funded. And bigots hide behind which embarrasses true strategic patriots know that moving left and casting out the so-cons (until it’s time for them to vote like a cow moos), is winning.

  329. Seriously – what is it about dissent from the right, wherein the dissenter has to employ all of the facile, strawmen arguments that I could hear from Jon Stewart or Jimmy Fallon with the benefit of a characteristic mug for the camera?

    Maybe you could give me an actual example of a facile, strawman argument I have made, instead of just vague accusations like the typical lefty?

  330. Maybe you could give me an actual example of a facile, strawman argument I have made, instead of just vague accusations like the typical lefty?

    OK. Knock you socks off:

    The truth is marriage doesn’t mean what it used to mean because of self-centered hetero behavior and the explosion of the welfare state.

    Quit hiding from those facts and trying to blame it all on the gays.

  331. http://michellemalkin.com/2013/04/07/bloomberg-mayors-illegal-guns/

    “Michael Bloomberg needs more thorough background check system for his ‘Mayors Against Illegal Guns’”

  332. Hey, what makes you feel that your link isn’t part/parcel of the whole “same-sex couples are exactly like opposite-sex couples because sex is a social construct meant to keep oppressive heteronormativity as privileged as white skin”?

    I don’t give a flying fig about PR. Is that how we decide what is right/wrong now-days?

    It is part and parcel, it is another step down the slope. The key is, it is a lot more obviously a problem, and it a definite example of child abuse. This has nothing to do with your personal beliefs of right and wrong, it has to do with winning elections and protecting all of our beliefs, leadership instead of martyrdom.

    We really need to get rid of the word “parents” … it’s not inclusive enough and moms & dads are just an old-fashioned cliche like marriage being one man/one woman.

    You know, you keep saying “that’s not the hill to die on” enough and you find yourself without any hills except the one at your back when they finally get to YOU to eliminate.

    Especially when the parents are teaching their children things we don’t agree with? You are going in circles on this one. You need to step back and think about your original post, I think.

    And I haven’t advocated abandoning many hills. Just two.

  333. The atavistic heteronormative definition of marriage is only supported by bigoty bigoted bigots of bigotry who are bigoted.

    Discuss (bigots).

  334. Nature is a dog whistle. Like history.

  335. How is that a strawman, Alec? You disagree that marriage is primarily about serving the interests and needs of the individuals involved rather than creating a sound base from which to raise a family? There are a lot of straw single parents and straw step parents and straw latch key kids out there if you are correct.

  336. How is that a strawman, Alec?

    The first part about “self-centered hetero” behavior is the Fallon/Stewart mug for the camera. “Oh, yeah, because the straits have made a real fine example of the sanctity of marriage [goofy grin, audience applause] . . . like Brittany Spears! [audience laughter].

    The second part about “blaming the gays” is the strawman. Not one advocate for real marriage here is “blaming the gays.” As a matter of fact, I’m not all that convinced that the political and academic muscle for “gay marriage” comes from self-identified gays themselves. You’re proposing that our position originates from animus towards gays as a group, as opposed to a well-reasoned defense of what we believe to be an indispensable foundational institution of society, and as I stated above, an institution that mediates between the state and individuals and reduces the reach of the state.

  337. As I spent several futile hours trying to explain to the 20 something daughter of a friend of mine, this whole push for “gay marriage” has nothing to do with equality and nothing to do with the wholesale failure of many marriages or the divorce rate that most of us have been affected by in our families in one way or another. It has everything to do with control and forcing us all into “right thinking”.

    Toppling an institution that predates much written history, is recognized world-wide and embraced across all regions and religions as a milestone in life, a sacrament in most religions and a building block of society for “the fairness” toward fewer than 2% of 2% of the population is madness.

  338. You’re proposing that our position originates from animus towards gays as a group

    I am proposing no such thing. I don’t personally care where your position originates or even what it is exactly. Hell, I mostly agree with most of you and I don’t have any animus toward gays at all.

    What I am proposing is we change the way you deal with the issue, not how you feel about it.

  339. I’m not all that convinced that the political and academic muscle for “gay marriage” comes from self-identified gays themselves.

    BINGO!

    So what does that tell you?

  340. So what does that tell you?

    It tells me a lot of things. One thing it does not tell me is to give up the ship.

  341. I am not saying the debate is over, Jeff, I am saying I don’t think this particular point is worth the attention it is given.

    The Proggs seem to think it’s worth the attention. Given their track record over the last century, I’m inclined to take heed when they’re making their move.

    What I don’t like is labeling a mother teaching her child her own personal beliefs is child abuse.

    That isn’t her teaching her child. That is her and her child teaching (you can identify the target audience for yourself). The relevant question is whether you’re smarter than a 4 year old. Unless you agree with her the answer is no.

    I am much more disturbed by things like this: (disturbing content warning)

    http://www.radiomitos.cl/magazin/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/thomas-beatie.jpg
    http://news.yahoo.com/judge-rejects-divorce-transgender-pregnant-man-162832151.html

    That’s part and parcel of the same. From the Proggy view, what solves that problem? Erasing the man+woman definition of marriage. But then, I’m referring to the “married” peoples problem. What solves the children of that trainwreck’s problems? Damned if I know.

    When we start redefining sexual things willy nilly and attempting to make the genders fungible nothing but trouble awaits, especially For The Designer Children™.

  342. BINGO!

    So what does that tell you?

    It tells me that it has nothing to do with “the right to marry the person you love.”

  343. I’m not all that convinced that the political and academic muscle for “gay marriage” comes from self-identified gays themselves.

    BINGO!
    So what does that tell you?

    It tells me that far too many people think like this:

    “[M]arriage is primarily about serving the interests and needs of the individuals involved rather than creating a sound base from which to raise a family[,]” to borrow your words.

    On my better days, I think of us as a couple rather than as an individual looking get my needs and interests met at a minimal cost in terms of her needs and interests.

    And since the definition of marriage will no longer stay defined, if in fact we choose to go ahead and redefine it, the problems you cite are more likely to get worse than to start improving.

  344. What does love have to do with marriage? Love is an emotion. Marriage is a state of being. Or condition, if you prefer.

  345. Exactly, Ernst. Marrying for love has been a fairly recent development.

    The same 20-something I mentioned in my last comment, thought it was perfectly okay to ram this “marriage” legislation through the courts. Disregarding the will of the voters didn’t bother her one wit.

  346. Marriage is a state of being. Or condition, if you prefer.

    Marriage is a contract. Or, at least it used to be.

  347. Anybody want to hear the story of the peasant woman who saved her husband from castration at the hands of a warlord by pointing out to him that it was in his power to put out her husband’s eyes, cut off his hands, feet, even his head, but that he had no right to castrate him, because her husband’s testicles belonged to her?

    Or am I the only one who thinks that’s relevant to the debate? In so far as the definition of marriage is understood.

  348. Marriage is a covenant, not a contract.

  349. if it’s a covenant it has to have an ark then to where if you open it your face will melt off

    unless you keep your eyes closed really really tight

  350. The Proggs seem to think it’s worth the attention.

    Because it is an easy point for them to win. Give them gay marriage as a head fake, then then hit them with backing idea that cutting off your tits and taking enough testosterone to grow a beard are the first steps to being a good mother.

    Make them defend that.

  351. when you start cutting off your boobies that’s when the shit starts gittin real hey the ACM Awards are on right now

    FGL is up for best new artist I think also I think Brantley is nominatered for somesuch

    I thought they were gonna stream it but doesn’t look like that’s the case

  352. Give them gay marriage as a head fake,

    Yeah, because domestic partnerships & civil unions, like in CA, really showed them what good people we are.

    Is that you, Karl Rove?

  353. Make them defend that.

    proggs don’t do defense. distraction yes.

  354. And here I thought the whole concept of dhimmitude was something only found in Islamist societies.

    Hets just need to learn their place in the New World Order

  355. yay FGL won best new artist is my understanding

    which means Brantley didn’t, which isn’t fair but FGL had a better cd and not everybody gets a ribbon

  356. supposably Mr. Aldean is doin 1994 live right now

  357. How about instead of giving the proggs ssm, we start pointing out to blacks and black leaders their support of the gay marriagings, then Hispanics and their leaders their support of the gay marriagings.

    When they protest you tell them that they’re voting for it consistently, and that for all their showy denials, when it comes down to it they are perfectly happy to push the homosexual agenda so long as the government keeps sending them government cheese and benefit checks. They’re trading the gay for the pay. They love them the love that dare not speak its name, proudly and loudly and constantly. They’re part of the swarm that will make it the law of the land, forever!

    Then laugh at them and call them homo lovers and tease them relentlessly. Keep the smirk on. Be amused. Hell, a third of them will then vote GOP just to prove you wrong.

    — Is how much the base of the left truly does hate the gays — as opposed to those on the right who simply foresee what a change in the law portends and are resisting same sex marriage on that basis.

  358. Just like “gun control” isn’t about reducing crime, “gay marriage” is not about the union of two people in domestic bliss or a facsimile thereof. They are both about control of people and their way of thinking and acting in society.

    Gay marriage is an attack on religion, primarily on Christians, for the purpose of fracturing even more the witless GOP. Recall Obama’s strong opposition to gay marriage, based on his proven-shallow religious beliefs…

    “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.” – April 17, 2008, while running for president, defining marriage at the Saddleback Presidential Forum

    That statement obviously wasn’t based on any ‘real’ bedrock religious belief. Obama’s always faked his faith for political purposes.

    From the other side of his ass, after the Professional Left decided that the bloc of votes Gays could deliver (and the energy the gay ‘troops’ could bring) would help advance their agenda, that being to marginalize and destroy the GOP one constituent group at a time; so Obama swishes sides

    “This is something that, you know, we’ve talked about over the years and she [M’chelle], you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do. And that is that, in the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people and, you know, I, you know, we are both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it’s also the Golden Rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated.”

    So, with Christians fighting a new front on yet another hill that they find important, the rest of the GOP lifts nose and wanders off to half-assedly fight somewhere else.

    We’ve so many open fronts (garriage, guns, money and taxes, schools, food, AGW and on and on) that all’s the Left has to do is keep their fighting core active and collectively organized, and pushing at all these open, bleeding-wound battles. We who oppose one or the other can’t organize our ‘side’ well enough to collectively push back. It’s all about one’s pet issues.

    It’s just a matter of time. We are overrun, because our fighters can’t get organized, and can’t mount a proper defense. Much of our energy is spent agreeing with the Left on one issue or another, and that’s just weak.

  359. black people mostly just hate black gay people not so much gay people in general

    it’s a thing

    and hispanics heart gay marriage cause of they’re such a big-hearted and tolerant people like that

  360. “Make them defend that.”

    They’ll “defend it” by calling you a bigot and a friendly member of the Happy Feet corps will nod their head noddingly.

  361. Hey, it’s an ABC poll! Which is the same as gospel!

  362. I understand your cynicism I really do

  363. Make them defend that.

    Google “pregnant man” and tell me how that’s working out.

  364. The hill isn’t worth dying for but then people act shocked when the shells start to rain down that hill that wasn’t worth dying for.

  365. the hill is just a metaphor Mr. palaeomerus

  366. when you start cutting off your boobies that’s when the shit starts gittin real hey the ACM Awards are on right now

    Have you ever considered shooting yourself in the head? I hear that’s all the rage…

  367. are those gay heads or just regular old heads?

  368. We’re the best of you. We do jobs you racist gringo fucks won’t. Now, let us out of the shadows so you can pay for our shit. We’ve earned it. Because street tacos.

  369. i feel nauseous

  370. Ugggh, no, I’ll skip the pie now I think.

  371. Yes, and so are the shells and artillery battery that fired them hippyfat.

  372. Give them gay marriage as a head fake…

    Slit your throat to throw them off track, and….

  373. are those gay heads or just regular old heads?

    I can’t answer that. The best of us lopped them off before several of them could (potentially, but statistically, its like one in three, I hear) declare their same sex love. Probably lopped them off manually, too. Because that’s the kind of hard workers they are. Their roofs are the best, and when they chop a head off it stays off.

    Its a thing

  374. well i for one do not think undocumented immigrants what are illegal should get free healthcares

    that shit costs money

  375. Eventually, we will all become fedayeen.

  376. Someone has to do the jobs Americans just won’t do. Unless they’re, you know, Aryan Brotherhood.

  377. while running for president, defining marriage at the Saddleback Presidential Forum

    Meanwhile, lefties are all the “fuck Rick Warren, he drove his gay (sic) son to suicide. Serves him right for all his gay H8ty H8t!” on Twitter and in the comments of a number of news articles on the tragedy of Matt Warren.

  378. well twitter isn’t the National Compassion Network Darleen it’s more like youtube comments really

  379. he doesn’t look gay OR mentally ill OR depressed if you ask me

    also it sounds like he had his own place which would be very normal for a 27 year old from a wealthy family but it also sounds like he was still going to his dad’s church and it doesn’t mention him having a job

    you practically almost *have* to have a job for to have a purpose-driven life I think

    Warren, for his part, tweeted Sunday to his nearly 1 million followers that he and his wife Kay are “overwhelmed” by the support and thanked well-wishers for “encouraging our #brokenhearts.”

    jeez what a cheeseball are you kidding me

  380. I’ve been looking at the comments on places like the LATimes. It’s the same.

  381. Youtube comments are the worst, and no one drives anyone to suicide but the one who decides to check out .

  382. Nothing says trash like talkin’ shit about a grieving father.

    Happened right here in this thread even.

  383. USAT says he shot himself, which I hadn’t heard yet

  384. i guess the gay speculation mostly comes pretty much exclusively from him being 27 and single

    but sounds like mom and dad were the last ones to see him alive

    Warren wrote that their son, the youngest of their three children, had enjoyed a fun Friday evening with him and his wife, Kay, but Matthew then returned home to take his life in “a momentary wave of despair.”*

  385. so I guess right now the more pressing question is why come if he had such a long history of mental illness and depression did he have access to a gun

  386. Happened twice actually. It was the first comment and then again at 8:18 pm this evening.

  387. My mistake, make that 8:12 pm.

  388. you should keep a little notebook

    #mentalhealthwatchlist

  389. It’s not a mental health issue. It’s just trash being trashy.

  390. trying to trend a hashtag for your dead kid the day he committed suicide is weird to me and it makes me uncomfortable

    maybe it’s the new thing though what do I know

  391. Non-trash grownups don’t mention every thought that pops into their heads.

    That sorta goes doubly so when someone just lost a kid.

    Trash.

  392. #cheeseball

  393. Well, I suppose he’s not as cool as someone who refers to a woman with MS as a diseased whore because she doesn’t heart the gay marriages.

    Trash.

  394. meanwhile right now as we speak Mr. George Strait is performing with garth brooks for the first time on the CBS

  395. Miranda got best female artist

  396. gay marriage is inevitable Mr. bh

    sounds like even the NFL is gonna do a little consciousness-raising

  397. gay marriage is inevitable Mr. bh

    “Gay” Traditional Marriage is, and always shall be, impossible.

  398. #TraditionalMarriage

  399. “gay marriage is inevitable Mr. bh”

    Opa Romney style

  400. Meanwhile on Madmen Don confronts his duplicitous past and nails his neighbor’s wife.

  401. leigh

    I watched the first season of MM, fascinated at the look & feel of it. It was the era I grew up in (I was born in 1954).

    But after a while I couldn’t watch anymore because I grew up in that era and some of the stuff was so over-the-top sexist I just was unable to suspend disbelief and enjoy it.

  402. I was born in ’58. I love the show and recall how sexist things were back then, too.

    The characters appeal to me because they are all such cynics and always looking for the next best shot. I worked in big ticket sales (>$2M annually) for about 15 years and the ad men remind me of the 80s when not much had changed.

    Mostly I watch it for the fashion and the mores. And Jon Hamm who is the hawt.

  403. ‘Meanwhile on Madmen Don confronts his duplicitous past”

    Man, I really hate it when my past lies to me. I feel for Don.

  404. gay marriage is inevitable Mr. bh

    So’s the dictatorship of the proletariat.

  405. that sounds like something we’d do well to put our heads together and figure out a way to forestall Mr. Ernst

    gay marriage not so much

  406. For that matter, so’s the Second Coming, the Resurrection of the Dead, and Final Judgement.

  407. ok we’re gonna have to do a bit of triage

  408. Other inevitabilities include global warming global cooling the end of the present interglacial, the collision of North America and Asia (not sure if I remember my plate tectonics correctly on that one) the death of the sun and the heat death of the universe.

    Some inevitabilities are more evitable than others.

  409. Inevitability isn’t much of an argument. More like a profession of faith in this instance.

  410. inevitability helps you pick which hill at what time

  411. That’s what Marshal Pétain thought.

  412. well it’s still a good rule of thumb

  413. Yeah, it’s done wonders for the GOP so far.

  414. All that means is that you’ve failed to understand the metaphor.

  415. The ancient head of Vichy France thought he knew which way the wind was blowing and so cooperated with his enemy thinking they were inevitable. The GOP is doing much the same thing right now preparing themselves a place at the new table and leaving their constituents out in the cold along with their principles. And the GOP are losing much ground on every issue and yet are still treated as untouchable scum by those they openly collaborate with.

    What did I miss?

  416. Although I suppose it’s possible that we’ve inverted the metaphor, having been on defense for most of the last one hundred or so years.

  417. Of course the dems aren’t quite nazis, and there was an actual fight in France’s case that determined their sense of inevitability, but few metaphors apply perfectly.

  418. My metaphor comment was for happyfeet. The only thing I’d add is that in 1940, unlike 1914 and 1918, the Marne wasn’t a line to die on, because in 1940 the French were too demoralized to see the sacrifice through.

    By the time the Team R reaches the hill happyfeet is willing to die on, there won’t be anybody except maybe beemoe to die with him.

    Because the rest of us will have turned Maquis by then.

  419. Just thought of an answer to this:

    [I]f [marriage is] a covenant it has to have an ark then to where if you open it your face will melt off[.]

    The ark is the marital bed. And the thought of giving your balls to a woman ought to melt your face a bit.

  420. I love guns but Big Marriage needs to be taken down a peg i think. It’s grown prideful and saucy and unresponsive to the people it’s supposed to serve.

    And who exactly do you think are the people whom Big Marriage is supposed to serve?

    Serious question.

    Not that I’ll get a serious answer.

    So, anyone?

  421. See, I got halfway through this thread and was getting kind of bored with people trying to outstupid hf and failing utterly because hf has a reserve tank full of stupid when what should happen is this song comes up on my tunes and I kind of stopped caring about who was winning.

  422. So, anyone?

    Let’s make it multiple choice.

    A. Homosexuals
    B. Retailers
    C. Children
    D. The State

  423. Troll! Griefer!

    stop shouting at me with your exclamation points mr beemoe

  424. E. Heterosexuals
    F. Society

  425. i think mr bh was winning for a while but then palaeomerus was all

    Buttered popcorn flavored soda ! And Cher will never die because she really scares the hell out of the grim reaper.

    and rocked the house

  426. E. Heterosexuals
    F. Society

    mr ernst, why do you make those points in that order? is it because of that song?

    some people just stay indoctrinated i guess. i am more of a freeform thinker. and i am thinking of giving up my periods

  427. if i could you know i would just hold your hand and youd understand
    im the man who loves you

    nttawwt

  428. ok i am bailing out of this bc u all r much better at it

    pickles

    and nutless cream cake

  429. This song, Mr. Slart?

  430. Who could imagine?

    George Formby, that’s who.

  431. is there a heavy metal version of the maginot line?

  432. hey it has been awhile

    wizz wizz in da bing bang

  433. Oh, btw, that’s not her kid. That’s our kid, according to MSLSD.

    So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.

  434. This song, Mr. Slart?

    that song makes me want to propose to myself, mr pablow

  435. oh i think i am giving up commas and apostrophes in addition to skipping periods because they are far far too much trouble

  436. all of my love
    all of my love
    all of my love to me

  437. That’s our kid,

    no more child support payments

  438. petraeus stops chasing sluts just long enough to tell us we have to raise taxes a half-trillion dollars to slop the pentagon piggies

    #rehabilitationfail

  439. I love weddings, Mr. Slart! What kind of cake are you thinking about?

  440. weddings are expensive affairs even just for to attend

    #stilldoingtaxes

  441. #rehabilitationfail

    idiot it’s

    #cheapgrace4dawin!

  442. that’s good I like that better

  443. #stilldoingtaxes

    bend over and think of sandra fluke

  444. What kind of cake are you thinking about?

    i think i mentioned the nutless italian cream cake but beefcake would be even better

  445. On that Melissa Harris-Perry statement:

    So part of it is, we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents. Or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it’s everybody’s responsibility, and not just the household’s, then we start making better investments.

    Is it not odd Harris-Perry seems to have no inkling that a preeminent notion of human morality asserts that human beings belong solely to themselves (being ends in themselves for themselves); that human beings are not “use objects” which other human beings, whether as individuals or as “collective” agencies, are free to take up in slavery, lord over as masters and dispose of as they see fit?

    Kids, to say plainly, belong to themselves, even when they are young and in need of help. Raising them, teaching them, one would think, would best be done precisely with a view to inculcating this eventual prospect into the child’s understanding of herself and of her world, a world which includes other human beings to whom in relation she will stand as one free human being among others.

  446. Everyone belongs to the state. We all work for the state, and it provides for us.

  447. Never forget that your obligation is only and always financial. Don’t think for a moment that because it’s “everyone’s” kid that you’ll have a say in any child’s development. Don’t think that your “investment” in our corrupt, broken, counterproductive public schools entitles you to a vote in how they’re run. Hell, forget having a vote — you don’t even get to have a contrary opinion, because WHY DO YOU HATE TEH CHIDRENZ?

    No, just fork over the dough, and leave the childrearing decisions to The Experts. And please stop drawing attention to the fact that The Experts’ kids are all in rehab and/or reality television.

  448. If the public becomes responsible for the care and maintainence of children expect them to be on the inside what the interior of a park restroom looks like.

  449. Oh, like slaves could possibly have disordered, ill-kept souls. Why, impossible! Slaves are the noblest of all human nobility!

    Faugh, racist.

  450. Is it not odd Harris-Perry seems to have no inkling that a preeminent notion of human morality asserts that human beings belong solely to themselves (being ends in themselves for themselves); that human beings are not “use objects” which other human beings, whether as individuals or as “collective” agencies, are free to take up in slavery, lord over as masters and dispose of as they see fit?

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think you’ll find that idea in Greek philosophy.

  451. don’t think you’ll find that idea in Greek philosophy.

    Mostly right — though we may ought not acquiesce too readily, but prefer a more minute examination of the prospect.

    On the other hand, it’s easily Kantian however, and in that context comports much the better with modern notions than with ancient, at least in these most superficial terms.

  452. Mostly right — though we may ought not acquiesce too readily, but prefer a more minute examination of the prospect.

    Agree completely.

    [I]t’s easily Kantian however, and in that context comports much the better with modern notions than with ancient, at least in these most superficial terms.

    It’s quite a bit closer to Aristotle than Kant I think. Hell, maybe it’s older than Plato. It’s just not part of the Greco-Roman component of the Western tradition.

    Ancient but not Classical, you might say.

  453. We only have to think of the conventional view of the Crito (along with the entailed circumstances), I’m guessing — which on the conventional view appears (mistakenly, from my point of view) to be about convention, or in praise of it! — as opposed to the philosophical view of the same dialogue. To that extent we may even be forced to assert that the philosophical view gives birth to this Kantian expression, so potentially, not so foreign to ancient thought after all.

  454. The Sandy Hook parents (of victims) — I just heard Jay Carney assert on radio — are essentially important to be heard from in any discussion of blahblahblah.

    Whereas, the parents of the slain of Bengahzi (and with them, the survivors), I take it, can simply shut up about it.

  455. If I recall correctly, there’s at least one Sandy Hook parent that can shut up about it as well.

  456. Mark Mattioli.

    Neal Heslin, who emotes like nobody’s business and seems to be playing with a 2 digit IQ, is the only voice that really matters, though. We must DO SOMETHING so that no one ever has to be sad.

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