December 27, 2012

Don’t worry. They aren’t coming for your guns, wingnuts. Until they are.

This is what a police state looks like:  “Sen. Feinstein Posts Proposed ‘Assault Weapons’ Legislation — and It Includes Provisions on Handguns and ‘Grandfathered’ Weapons”:

Last week, Sen. Dianne Feinstein promised to on the first day of new the Congress introduce legislation that would ban so-called assault weapons and certain types of ammunition.

Now, the Californian senator has posted a summary of this legislation that would be introduced in 2013, showing more details about the provisions that she would hope would be included. And it doesn’t just have to do with what she calls “assault” weapons.

Here are a few bullet points on the guns that would be banned from sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing:

  • 120 specifically-named firearms
  • Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
  • Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds

Those who have acquired weapons recently under the pretense of being “grandfathered” in under prior laws see mention in Feinstein’s provisions as well. It requires these weapons to be registered under the National Firearms Act that will include collecting the following information

  • Background check of owner and any transferee;
  • Type and serial number of the firearm;
  • Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
  • Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
  • Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

In addition, Feinstein proposes banning large-capacity magazines, which for her includes those that can hold more than 10 rounds.

The proposed legislation would protect hunters and existing gun owners’ rights by:

  • Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
  • Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
  • Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

The legislation also proposes to strength the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and some state bans by forbidding “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons,” among other suggestions. Thumbhole stocks allow for easier more ergonomic grip of the weapon and bullet buttons release an empty magazine quickly to allow the user to pop in a new one, which some have said skirts around existing assault weapon bans.

[...]

Effectivenness of 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban

Following are studies that have been conducted on the 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban:

So the question then becomes, first, will Feinstein, the President, the political side of law enforcement, and cowardly GOPers who don’t want to be cast as “pro toddler death” be able to create enough of a movement within Congress to get the necessary votes once some of this liberty-robbing shit is removed as part of a “compromise” (my guess is handguns and shotguns removed; registry — a precursor for confiscation — stays); and secondly, will Obama have a chance to place anti-gun activists on the Supreme Court before the inevitable challenge?

Either way, I don’t think this is going to go the way Feinstein, Obama, et al., hope it does.  It isn’t hunters that need protection; its individuals and their liberties, first among them, the right to self-defense.

Theft of liberty, theft of property, theft of a natural right — all because the left sees in tragedy an opportunity to empower itself and take away individual rights.  You WILL be a felon, because once you’re a criminal, more of your rights can be taken away.  And you are then a slave to the state.

This is the plan. And the goal.

To which I say only this:  Molon Labe.

(h/t geoff B)

Posted by Jeff G. @ 11:43am
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Comments (139)

  1. The “grandfathered” part reads as if the registration only applied to “recently acquired” firearms. That is not the case. It applies to all even those possessed for decades. PDF.

  2. Lovely.

  3. I now see that Jeff G. posted the PDF link. Oops.

  4. I wonder if there is any chance of making people understand that if you have to have government approval or permission to do something then it isn’t really a protected right.

    I would also recommend buying guns from private parties with no paper trail if possible.

  5. I shan’t obey this, should it become law. Period.

  6. Me either. There’s several videos on YouTube showing how to use PVC for underground caching.

  7. - They’re going to keep grandstanding to look like they’re “doing something”, and find themselves with open rebelion on their hands, and nothing will really change in the long run, but they’ll look like they’re “doing something”. Meh.

    – Besides, Moore says that “white people should relax and put away their guns”, just as long as he can keep his body guards of course. Progressives take an oath to hypocricy.

    – In other news…..

    Empasse!

  8. I have my doubts that this could even pass in the Senate. If it does, I will not comply.

  9. I would love it if the GOP had the brains and nads to use the gun control mandate issue issue as a prybar to split the wig of the dem advance.

  10. Hey, bayonet lugs have been removed from the “characteristics”.

    Doesn’t DiFi care about all the children who have been bayoneted to death?

    I would also not comply, if I owned any of these (unspecified) weapons which, according to the records, I don’t.

  11. “Following are studies that have been conducted on the 1994-2004 Assault Weapons …”

    Freaking letters to the editor are now substantiating “studies” for the purpose of lefty power grabs?

    I guess if it was good enough for the climate creeps its good enough for DiFI.

  12. I have a book that recommends mounting a Bowie, Kaybar, or Bayonet on a quality aluminum mop handle as a “make your own bill” project. Making a bayonet lug collar with a MIG welder and a drill press and four bolts is the tricky part.

  13. Duct tape your machete to your tac light and hang both off of a picatinney rail.

    They haven’t banned rails yet, have they?

  14. In my 20s I owned a Glock 17 and a Mossberg 500. And, to this day I greatly enjoy a trip to the shooting range to blast through a few hundred rounds or 9mm. But based on the conversations I’ve been a part of here, I think it’s time to openly start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment. It won’t happen any time soon, but it’s time to plant the seed.

    And I think Dianne Feinstein shows a path forward – to chip away at the 2nd amendment the same way that pro-lifers have successfully chipped away at Roe v Wade.

  15. Ror vs. Wade isn’t going anywhere. Don’t you read teh papers?

    Why do you want to start tinkering with the USC? Maybe your 1st Amendment rights should go on the block , too.

  16. ” But based on the conversations I’ve been a part of here, I think it’s time to openly start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment. ”

    Yes, please do that. As much as possible!

  17. Seeing how her career got a major boost because of a crazy gunman, you’d think she would have more sympathy to the occasional whacko.

    also White only used a .38 revolver, good enough when they are not shooting back.

  18. ” I think it’s time to openly start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment”

    I think you are a troll.

    A clumsy and repetitive one at that.

  19. She should be ashamed of herself for using the murder of schoolchildren as a springboard to try to disarm the country.

    What a ghoul. An opportunistic ghoul.

  20. ” But based on the conversations I’ve been a part of here, I think it’s time to openly start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment. ”

    Welcome to the 1960s.

  21. palaeomerus and Ernst: no need. Bayoynet lugs are fine under DiFi’s new criteria. Maybe they got tired of people laughing at them?

  22. It’ll plant a seed alright! Not one that leads to actually repealing the 2nd amendment so much, but something will definitely grow! (An ultra-backlash)

  23. Spies, I was telling my 81 year old dad over Christmas about Mara Liason getting indignant about shotgun ‘clips’. She had claimed that Joe Manchin “only carries three! three! shotgun clips when he goes deer hunting!”

    We laughed our asses off and agreed that we both want one of those shotguns.

  24. If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in, I would have done it.” — Senator Diane Feinstein, CBS-TV, 60 Minutes, 5 February 1995.

  25. Why is it that when Dems start legislation in order to “do something” about a problem that already has legislation in place, I’m reminded of Animal House?

    We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part!

    Yeah!

    And we’re just the guys to do it!

  26. In my 20s I owned a Glock 17 and a Mossberg 500

    8 guage or 18?

  27. I don’t see that getting through the House. I also don’t see it being followed, if it did.

    Hell, even the Canadians so widely ignored their government’s registration scheme that it was eventually repealed.

  28. My friend’s grandpa had an old 8 gauge when I was a kid. Impressive gun. I don’t recall it ever being fired, though.

  29. And what did a box of Glock 17 shells run in those days?

  30. Cops carried guns that shot real bullets back then, Ernst. Heh.

  31. Molon labe, indeed.

    So, you want to take away our guns? Well, as Alexander de Large would say, “Come and get one in the yarbles, if you have any yarbles, eunuch jelly thou !”

  32. I think it’s time to openly start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment.

    It takes only 13 states saying no to stick it up your ass, hater.

  33. I’ve decided to sell any guns I might own at a gun show.

  34. I figure he had a Glock 17 because he couldn’t afford a pre-ban Glock 20 or a Glock 30.

    And the 10.5 mm Glock 15 was too much gun for him.

  35. Ernst – the Mossberg was a 12 gauge with a pistol grip – which made it miserable to fire. Big mistake.

    I don’t recall what 50 9mms went for back then. My buddy had a reloading setup though, so we saved our brass.

    She should be ashamed of herself for using the murder of schoolchildren as a springboard to try to disarm the country.

    Shorter leigh: How dare she use a shooting tragedy to talk about preventing future shooting tragedies.

  36. It takes only 13 states saying no to stick it up your ass, hater.

    It’s a 50-100 year conspiracy. We liberals are apparently good at such things – Obama being a full member of a conspiracy (to enslave the population) that was hatched many decades before he was born.

    But we may not need to repeal it. We might just be able to erode it until it’s defacto-repealed. Like abortion in Mississippi.

  37. That’s not what I said, slipshod. Don’t put your words in my mouth.

  38. That’s aout all the fool does Leigh. He’s nearly monotactical

  39. Run on it. Plenty of room in the ditch.

  40. He’s a bit thick, isn’t he? Quite frankly, someone with all sorts of disposable cash such as he claims to have, should be treating the family to an exotic vacation in a warm locale rather than spending his days trolling classical liberal blog(s).

    But, we know his CV is all bullshit, so there you go.

  41. “I think it’s time to openly start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment.”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/159569/americans-stricter-gun-laws-oppose-bans.aspx

    Taken post-Newtown.

    Good luck with that, slappy.

  42. A shooting tragedy? Like 9/11 was an airliner mishap? Pearl Harbor a communications breakdown?

    That’s the second honest thing you’ve posted today.

  43. I’m convinced that Slip-Slop is an agent provacateur. No one could be that stupid with his comments and questions.
    Slip-Slop, I’ve included a wikipedia link for you. So you, you know, can keep up with us. And so you accept the source.

  44. No. Make that the third. I’m sure you believe there’s a Consitutionally protected right to abortion.

    Emanations and Penumbras being essentially the same as Enumerations.

  45. Like the opinions of ordinary people matter, SBP.

  46. Perhaps instead of running out and buying a handgun or rifle/shotgun, people should invest in a bench size metal lathe/vertical milling machine.

    (those too might be next on the ban list).

  47. Serious question for those willing to bring the effin knowledge:

    Does the background check inform the FBI of what make/model of firearm you’d like to purchase, or does it just inform the FBI that you would like to purchase a firearm from an FFL holder if the background check comes back clean?

  48. “Pearl Harbor a communications breakdown?”

    Pearl Harbor was more of a limited surface and air transport of demolitions material disaster.

  49. Ernst, Wiki gives this info.

  50. Screw wiki. Why don’t you go and ask your hubby for me?

    (please)

  51. It tells the FBI what you are buying. FFL keeps records for 20 years.

  52. The make/model and serial number are on the form 4473, Ernst. So, yeah, they know what you’re buying or at least have a record of what you bought.

  53. But, we know his CV is all bullshit, so there you go.

    You keep saying that leigh, what makes it so important to you that it be so? How can I prove it to you?

    “I think it’s time to openly start talking about repealing the 2nd amendment.”
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/159569/americans-stricter-gun-laws-oppose-bans.aspx
    Taken post-Newtown.
    Good luck with that, slappy.

    It’s a long game SBP.

  54. At least.

    Thanks for finding that out for me.

    Good potential for pushback. Drop the requirement to inform the FBI what you’re intending to buy, since the only question is can you legally buy in the first place.

  55. You could tell us if the button safety on the Mossberg is on the rear of the trigger guard or forward of the trigger.

    For starters.

  56. “It’s a long game SBP.”

    At the rate your side is going you won’t have very long at all.

  57. “It’s a long game SBP.”

    You don’t have a long time to play it.

    Sorry.

  58. dhs insider

    They, I mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws.

    DH: New federal gun laws?

    RB: Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made in the 90?s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed. Look, there is something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be called a kook or worse.

    link

  59. Like I’ve said, slippy, one of our duties during the crash will to be sure as few of you Leftists survive as possible.

  60. You could tell us if the button safety on the Mossberg is on the rear of the trigger guard or forward of the trigger.

    Fuck if I know. It was almost 20 years ago that I owned it. I recall it looking a lot like this, but it didn’t have the strap on the pump, and the end of the barrel was different:

    http://www.mossberg.com/assets/scripts/timthumb.php?w=625&zc=0&src=http://www.mossberg.com/sites/default/files/1333566825/%2354125.png

    “It’s a long game SBP.”
    You don’t have a long time to play it.
    Sorry.

    We have all the time in the world.

    Like I’ve said, slippy, one of our duties during the crash will to be sure as few of you Leftists survive as possible.

    More murder fantasies?

  61. “We have all the time in the world.”

    Nope. You probably don’t even have four years. I’d be surprised if you even have two.

  62. “We have all the time in the world.”

    Nope.

    Sorry.

  63. More murder fantasies?

    Nope, we just don’t have to do anything. Leftists believe survival can be had by shaking their fist and demanding their “right” to a “free lunch.”

    Good luck growing your food with that.

  64. Darleen: you mean there aren’t going to be any jobs for Internet trolls after the smash?

    Better learn a trade, Slappy. Say, mucking out outhouse pits.

  65. A little learnin’ about restrictive firearms laws and their effect on public safety .

    There is a free pdf attached.

  66. SBP

    Heh.

    I don’t generally like Zombie books or movies, but my daughter talked me into reading World War Z … which I actually liked!

    I got a kick out of the part where high falutin’ elites suddenly were regulated to taking orders from the people they usually looked down on. You know, the people who could merely “do stuff.”

  67. You know, the people who could merely “do stuff.”

    ending all federal monies going to “education” would be a start at getting rid of the parasitic proggtards.

  68. that’s where the orange guy is lacking. he acts like he represents his “district “. but his “district” now is the usa not suburban cinncy.

  69. orangeguy should of stood up today and said that difi’s junk was a loser

  70. Is Boehner even there today? I saw Reid and McConnell today on the news, but no Boehner.

  71. indeed orangeman should not only have said that difi’s junk is a loser but those folks who pushed “gun free schools” in the past have blood on their hands. give some alinsky to the proggtards.

  72. DiFi’s plan is a killer. He should say that.

    OT: Stormin’ Norman Swartzkopf has died. R.I.P., General.

  73. leigh, you know there’s new statistics since 2003?

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/

  74. Hey shitheel slope, if you prefer Austrailia’ law and Constitution to ours, get you to nassty whiny lefty ass on the way.

  75. No one believes your “statistics”, slappy, still less any organization that feels the need to put “truth” or “fact” in its name. It’s like “Honest John’s Used Cars”, or Pravda, for that matter.

  76. leigh, you know there’s new statistics since 2003?

    how about cambodia 1978?

  77. Slipshod, you didn’t even read that academic paper I linked to, did you?

    It has MATH and everything.

  78. Where slippy is concerned, I believe the correct term is ASSAULT math.

  79. Just as long as it’s not military-style semi-automatic ASSAULT automatic math.

    Because that would be a tragedy in the offing.

  80. The thing about that ASSAULT paper and its ASSAULT MATH is that the bastards who authored it did a ton (or tonne) of statistical analysis–ASSAULT ANALYSIS that they explain in plain English so even idiots like slippery who flunked stats can follow along and learn.

    It has more than a half dozen ASSAULT charts to make understanding the ASSAULT MATH in the ASSAULT STATS even easier. Better learning through pictures with handy captions and two pages of source material.

    Of course, it’s no factcheck.org, but I do what I can.

  81. The sweet voice of unreason warbles its dulcet tones. I hear it calling for measures, measures just like the esteemed Senator from CA has presented in summary.

    Registered gun owners offenders.

  82. Should I know who this Touré assclown is? Never heard of him until now.

    He’s wearing a Hendrix shirt in the picture in the Wikipedia article. Sure hope no one tells him that Hendrix was in the 101st Airborne Division (before being…ah…invited to leave) and was in favor of the Vietnam War.

  83. Barring magic, Michigan is right to work now. FORWARD? How about UP YERS!

  84. Toure is a racist, Spies.

  85. Should I know who this Touré assclown is?

    he’s another Ta-Nehisi Coates with the same amount of stupid

    I actually wouldn’t wish I had a gun. I’ve shot a rifle at camp once, but that’s about it. If I had a gun, there is a good chance I would shoot myself, thus doing the active shooter’s work for him (it’s usually “him.”) But the deeper question is, “If I were confronted with an active shooter, would I wish to have a gun and be trained in its use?” It’s funny, but I still don’t know that I would. I’m pretty clear that I am going to die one day. That moment will not be of my choosing, and it almost certainly will not be too my liking. But death happens. Life—and living—on the other hand are more under my control. And the fact is that I would actually rather die by shooting than live armed.

    link

  86. leigh – the paper says – They banned guns and crime went up! And that was true in 2003. But now in 2012, crime in those countries is way down – with the same gun bans in place. FTW? correlation? causation?

    But… but.. They wrote a paper!!! With graphs! Ya know, if you draw those graphs out to 2012, they look a lot different.

    What’s the homicide rate of the UK? 1/4 ours. What’s the homicide rate with firearms? 1/40th ours.

    How about Australia? It has a homicide rate even lower than the UK.

    Their gun policies have FAILED! Obviously. But you guys hate statistics, science, and women (well, independent woman anyways), so I don’t expect this to make much of an indentation on your abnormally thick craniums.

  87. I like guns a lot

  88. and fried polenta

  89. I like guns too. I’m just having trouble liking the fact that I like guns – so I plan to punish all of you for my guilt through draconian legislation.

  90. well don’t do that

  91. please

  92. How can the crime stats for 2012 have been compiled and distributed for attribution when the year is not yet over?

  93. “How can the crime stats for 2012 have been compiled and distributed for attribution when the year is not yet over?”

    Same way they do the “unemployment statistics”.

    Obama’s savin’ and creatin’ jobs all over the place, but oddly no real people seem to be getting jobs.

  94. Remember, this is slaphead we’re talking about here. The same guy who thought that giving teachers guns would produce as many shootings as an equivalent number of gangbangers. He is a statistical genius, dontcha know?

  95. That ban proposal is pretty much what California already has in place. With that policy, any semi-auto that has a detachable magazine and has a flash suppressor is illegal.

    By the way, that whole notion of going to the authorities with your weapons so you can be treated like a criminal? It’s been tried, and it doesn’t work. Compliance will be near non-existent.

  96. I renew my request for slipshod to be removed from our company.

  97. I’ve decided to sell any guns I might own at a gun show.

    That works too. You didn’t want to lose all the money you had tied up in them, so you liquidated. All cash transactions, of course, and since you don’t hold a FFL, you didn’t need to do background checks.

  98. I renew my request for slipshod to be removed from our company.

    Seconded.

  99. Same way they do the “unemployment statistics”.

    They use the ole Mathemagic? That explains it!

  100. I for one do not believe slipperyslope likes guns.

    As for banning him, first he needs to tell the truth. For teh irony.

  101. I don’t believe he loves Freedom. He’s a fucking capo, like his idol Soros was.

    I agree about extracting some TRVTH from him would be refreshing before he takes a powder (only to return with another screenname, but hey).

  102. Their gun policies have FAILED! Obviously.

    Obviously

    (hat-tip to Palaeoramus, who first posted the link)

  103. I have voted to be rid of slippy so many times I sometimes think my surname should be Plantagenet.

  104. “Darleen says December 27, 2012 at 10:05 pm
    My guns are less regulated than my uterus”

    Oh no! The Handmaid’s Tale has become real! From a certain point of view. (A stupid one.)

  105. Ernst, leftist policies NEVER fail. They just need to be tried even harder with a bigger budget for longer!

  106. Maybe Jeff should consider turning the removal of Slippery Slope posting privileges into a fund raising goal. :)

  107. “the paper says – They banned guns and crime went up! And that was true in 2003. But now in 2012, crime in those countries is way down – with the same gun bans in place. FTW? correlation? causation?”

    So if we ban guns NOW we might see the benefits in about ten years (Mexico and Brazil oddly did not.) ? Isn’t that just faulty ‘Drill baby drill’ logic at work? Because when it came ot oil exploration we were told that we shouldn’t do something if it takes us five years or more to see any benefit. Instead we pumped money into solar companies that either went broke, or moved over seas and went broke, and dumped corn ethanol into our cars making our food way more expensive.

  108. ” But you guys hate statistics, science, and women (well, independent woman anyways”

    No, going by actions, that would be your party again. :)

  109. “I have voted to be rid of slippy so many times I sometimes think my surname should be Plantagenet.”

    Troublesome I’ll grant. Not so much a priest though. Unless the useful idiots have been promoted to a pastoral role.

  110. He points out that Australia and teh UK have far, far less homicides than the US, and gun crime is downright rare!

    BAN HIM!!! He’s shimmering my reality bubble.

    It’s true. I haven’t paid to win. Thank you sir, may I have another.

  111. You haven’t shimmered anything. Silly bullshit never does. It can’t. You merely wasted everyone’s time coming up with an objection to a study you didn’t actually read that was transparently stupid as your made up statistics on projected gun accidents if teachers are armed. What you did was make the left look like a bunch of delusional fools and bad liars who can’t read. People want to ban you mostly because you are a boring, intellectually dishonest, ignorant little twerp who pats his own fat little head because no on else will. You bring nothing of value to the table. It’s all bad objections, dumb cartoonish stereotypes, straw men, nonsense, sarcasm unworthy of a fourth grade school yard, fake statistics, and stupid assumptions with you.

  112. You didn’t really think “2003 was then and this is now” is much of an argument did you? Did you expect anyone to take that tripe seriously? You didn’t even provide any recent figures. You don’t even seem to have had the perspicacity to wonder WHY it was true in 2003 and why that shouldn’t affect the debate now. You don’t even have the curiosity to wonder what the homicide rate in Australia and UK before their respective gun restrictions were versus after. You just cherry pick some happy numbers then don’t even provide them, just reference them. And the funny thing is that you do this after trying to make up projected gun accident statistics for armed teachers. Nobody takes any of your google-wank and puffery seriously. You haven’t earned it. You are a facepalm kind of guy. You step on your dick, you say “Ta-dah” and then we shake our heads at how dense and obtuse your latest sally was. That’s the pattern established so far.

  113. Not a fantasy, slippy; more like a contingency plan. After all, the US military makes those even for invading our current allies. We were perfectly happy being left alone, but that didn’t fit your slavery fantasy.

    As for how long you’ve got to implement your plans, it’s still true: what can’t go on, won’t.

  114. And slippy is proven a liar again: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade

    PS: slip, those are current figures.

  115. Maybe Jeff should consider turning the removal of Slippery Slope posting privileges into a fund raising goal. :)

    IIRC he did that with a couple of trolls back in the day (thor and actus?). Unfortunately, they didn’t stay gone (until he put up a couple of IP addresses and people started contacting ISPs….).

  116. shannyn?

    am i the only one what doesn’t have a stripper name?

    i am…

    Brock Picachu!

  117. I saw one of the networks had a talking head named Krystal Ball the other day.

  118. I wonder if lefties are willing to admit that once you remove crimes committed by young black men, our crime stats look significantly different. Would they then be willing to wonder why that is, and whether we should attempt to address the cause of such a high crime rate, and not punish law-abiding citizens instead.

    Well, I don’t wonder, really. I know. They want tyranny, and by G-d they are going to get tyranny, and fuck anyone sub-human who gets in the the way (note that if you get in the way of their goals, you are, by definition, sub-human).

  119. I’ve always thought the word Henry used to describe Becket was “turbulent,” though slippy is more turbid.

  120. Oh noes! Root causes can’t have anything to do with the culture (sorry sdferr) of violence meme, cranky. It’s those darned guns and the nefarious ways they have of getting into the hands of criminals.

    Vis: That paper that I liked upthread that skippy still hasn’t read, has a handy bar graph show legal vs. illegal gun ownership in the UK. Legally, just about no one has a gun. Illegally? A totally different story with illegal gun ownership that is ten times more.

    Proving that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

  121. Murder by Numbers
    [...]
    In fact, the murder rate in 2011 was the lowest since 1961: 4.7 murders per 100,000 people. In only 5 years since 1910 has it been lower: 1955-59, when it was only slightly lower at 4.5 or 4.6.

  122. Facts are pesky things, geoff.

  123. When you’re saying that the UK and Australia have 1/4th the violent crime rate, is that per capita or absolute?

    Because their populations are also a lot smaller, thus…

    I understand, though. Understanding how you present numbers and what relevant information actually make them useful is very difficult for the scientistic team. Just yelling random statistics like they’re meaningful usually works with most crowds you’re in, yeah?

  124. That isn’t what he’s saying Pellegri. He’s saying that since the murder rate is less than ours, their highter rates of violent crime don’t count.

    Because shut-up, HATERZ!111!!!1!1

    (and yeah, I know exactly what i did there)

  125. More cherry picking. Lame.

  126. Of course I DO sometimes wonder if maybe violent crime hasn’t gone up in the UK most recently because they started listing hate speech complaints as a form of violent crime. Which is another stupid problem we face: calling a chair a type of hammock to manipulate statistics to gin up support for more onerous laws.

  127. Violent crime is down so much that a group of British Doctors want to ban kitchen knives.

    UNEXPECTEDLY!

    Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S., meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is lower than France’s, at 504

    (Via Front Page Magazine, with a nod to newrouter.)

    But as long as the limey bastards aren’t shooting each other, amirite?

  128. Palaeo, Granny always said a cat can have kittens in the oven, but that don’t make them biscuits.

    slipshop, just admit you were wrong and move on.

  129. That needs to be changed to read “Violent crime is down so much that in 2005, a group of British Doctors seriously called for a ban on kitchen knives, in a country where knives are already fairly heavily regulated.

    (The moral of the story here is to check the dateline).

  130. Republicans should amend that bill to define “high capacity” as any magazine holding a hundred or more rounds.

  131. Of course slappy and his fellow travelers just blithely ignore the 100 million or so Euros who were murdered by their own governments.

    It’s still happening today, too, in the Balkans, and I certainly wouldn’t bet against the forthcoming disassembly of the EU turning ultra-violent. It’s what Euros do. It’s all they do.

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