From geoff B: “pieced together from 3 main footnoted sources listed and some others with one speculative comment by myself.”
Geoff
Local time. {Washington time}
7:30 pm {1:30 pm}
Ambassador has final meeting of the day with Turkish diplomat. [1]
8:00 pm {2:00 pm}
Ansar al-Shariah militants setting up checkpoints down away from compound.[2] [3]
8:30 pm {2:30 pm}
Diplomat leaves Consulate compound. Everything quiet on street in front of compound. [1]
8:00-8:50 pm approx. {2:00 -2:50 pm}
Ansar al-Shariah militants are about 150 strong and have heavy machine guns mounted on pickup trucks. [3] No protests of the film but some of them lead local youths in chants against the film. [3] Locals agree that this was a pre-planned action with the film used only as a local cover for the action. [3] Some of the militants wearing Afgan-style tunics. [2] [3]
9:00 pm {3:00 pm}
Ambassador retires to bed in Building “C”. Sean Smith and 4 security agents are in Building “C” and one security agent in the TOC. 4 – “17th February Brigade” guards are at the entrance gate eating. [2] [1] Five other local guards are in the compound, [2] at least one at the rear gate. [2]
9:40 pm -10:40 pm {3:40 – 4:40 pm}
The attack on the consulate begins. [1], [3] 10-12 attackers climb over front gate and then open it for all to enter. [2] Attack comes from the front and one side. [3] Agents hear gunfire and explosions. [1] Agent in TOC sees men flowing through gate into the compound. [1] One agent in building “C” wakes Ambassador and he, the Ambassador and Sean Stevens enter the security area of Building “C” and lock it up. [1] 2 other agents go to Building “B” to get their gear and 1 agent goes to the TOC. The two after suiting up try to head back but are blocked by armed men and so go back to “B” and barricade themselves in there,[1] in the cantina in “B” for about an hour. [2]
The 4 guards at the front gate hear gunfire and explosions and look out gate to see what is going on and see a large armed group headed toward them so they close the gate. Three of them make for Building “C” and one heads for Building “B”. [2] The one heading to “B” is shot in the leg, beaten and awakens at the hospital later.[2] The three who head to “C” one is captured by the pool and escorted out of the compound.[2] The other two hole up in a laundry room near the pool but are found, beaten and then led out of the compound at the front gate where they are beaten again then released. [2] One guard from the rear gate tried to get into “B” but was locked out and took refuge behind some sandbags at the TOC where he was found, beaten, and taken to the front gate beaten again and then released.[2] Two guards were in the Guards building, shot one militant and finally took refuge on the roof when the Guards building was burnt.[2]
Attackers burn Guards building and cars around it. They then enter “C” and finding the security area locked torch the building with diesel oil. They enter “B” but can’t break into where the two agents are barricaded. They also attempt to enter the TOC but fail.
In Building “C” the smoke drives the 3 there first to a window they can open and then to one where they can open the grill to get out. The security agent goes first to check for danger. He is taking fire. When he goes back to the window the other two, Sean and the Ambassador, have disappeared. He fails to find them.[1] Attempts are made to find them and succeed in finding Sean’s body but not the ambassador who is discovered later in the central closet refuge. [1] [2]
My speculation on this part. Since “C” was closed up except for the front door area, which is what the militants set on fire, smoke would have only slowly crept into the rest of the area. When the 3 opened a window in a bathroom smoke would get drawn to that window as a draft would form. When they next opened another and the grill to escape the same effect happened making the smoke in that room worse. when the agent went out he started taking fire. I propose that this gunfire made Sean and the Ambassador draw away from the window and that Sean (in another early report he was said to have been shot) got hit by gunfire and couldn’t get away from the increased smoke while the Ambassador was able to crawl back to the enclosed central closet area and close the door. The draft would then tend to lessen the smoke where he was while where the gunshot Sean was it was worse and he rapidly succumbed. This is not a blame thing as all three were in a horrible environment where they could hardly see or breathe and smoke like that of diesel and burning furniture is not just poisonous but mind altering too.
February 17th militia at their main base 3.2 k away hear the explosions and 18 of them in 5 trucks drive toward the compound but are driven back by the militants at a roadblock. They back off to a distance and engage in a 90 minute firefight.[2] They get more reinforcement from their group and set up a perimeter, roadblocks of their own surrounding the compound. [2] The militants draw back from their own roadblocks into villas for cover. [2]
The two agents in “B” and one from the “TOC” learn from the agent at “C” that “C” is on fire and the Ambassador and Sean are still inside and they take an armored car to move from “B” to “C”. They search inside “C”, find Sean’s body but not the Ambassador.
Around 10:30 pm {4:30 pm} a 6 man group in a BMW sedan and a Mercedes Benz SUV from the Annex. They encounter the February 17th blockades and the two groups join up to enter the Consulate compound. [2][1]
After being joined by the agents from “B”, the “TOC” and the one from “C” they attempt to find the Ambassador trapped in “C”. but can’t find the him either. [1][2] They are taking fire all the while and finally determine that they must leave an go back to the Annex. [1][2]
All this time since 9:40 the one agent in the TOC has been in constant contact with the Annex, the Embassy in Tripoli, the Libyan authorities, and Washington calling all the while for help.
11:00 pm {5:00 pm}
They exit the Consulate compound taking fire from the militants forces who have roadblocked the roads. Eventually they make their way to the Annex which is also under fire from rifles and RPGs intermittently.
Midnight {6:00 pm}
Annex fight continues.
Militants have left Consulate compound and looters have moved in. Libyan Military Police officer discovers Ambassador barely alive.
He and February 17th people take him to the hospital but he dies of smoke inhalation later. [1], [2]
1:00 am {7:00 pm}
Annex fight continues
2:00 am {8:00 pm}
Annex fight continues.
Eight Marines from the Embassy in Tripoli arrive at the airport.[2] They have trouble getting transport to the Annex and so are delayed about 45 min.
3:00 am {9:00 pm}
Annex fight continues.
Marines arrive at Annex. [1] [2]
Annex starts taking more fire. [2]
3:20 am {9:20 pm} February 17th Brigade commander calls for reinforcements so as to be able to evacuate everyone to the airport.
3:40-45 am {9:40 – 45 pm} 100 members of February 17th Brigade arrive and start securing the area around the Annex [2]
4:00 am {10:00 pm}
Annex fight continues. Four 82mm mortar rounds are fired at the Annex. The first lands just outside of it and the next three land in the Annex. Two on the North building roof where two [ex] SEALs, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty , have been engaging the militants using a light machine gun (SAW). They use a laser designator to paint the mortar crew. The mortar rounds that land on the roof kill them both.[2]
4:30-45 {10:30 – 45 pm}
A Libyan colonel arrives and all prepare to leave for the airport.
5:00 am {11:00 pm}
Arriving at the airport they find that the plane the Marines came in is too small to fit everybody so the Marines stay behind with the the bodies of Doherty, Smith and Woods.
6:00 am {Midnight}
The Marines find out that the body of Ambassador Stevens is at the hospital and some go to the hospital to retrieve his remains. They bring him back to lay with the other three fallen.
10:00 am {4:00 am}
Marines transport arrives and they take the bodies back to Tripoli.
Sources:
[1] http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm#.UHmUMQQjpX0.twitter
[2] http://world.time.com/2012/10/21/the-other-911-libyan-guards-recount-what-happened-in-benghazi/#ixzz2A4Djmcum
[3] http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-witnesses-recount-organized-benghazi-attack
The Won watched it in real time with a live feed from a drone. He thought it was just a video game.
baracky didn’t see nobody on the kill list there
“He thought it was just a video game.”
I take that for biting jest of a sort.
The problem is, he didn’t think that way at all (otherwise we’d have to assume he aimed to win — when he did nothing of the kind).
No, I think he immediately began to think of the electoral-political implications and made his awful decisions on that basis, only worsening his electoral-political prospects as he moved along, one bad decision (on the wrong path) leading to another and yet another as day after day has passed.
But the point is, they understood the bad light the attack threw on their policies right from the start. It didn’t take them a day or two to figure that out — there was no doubt the White House was looking through an electoral-political lens from the jump. It’s all they know.
Geoffb, somewhere (I think it was the State Dept. read out) there was an account that the same bodyguard who had been with Amb. Stevens in the smokey compound was also on the annex roof with Woods and Doherty, and was severely injured himself during that attack on the annex roof — though whether by a mortar round I cannot say. But my understanding was he was in critical condition after the firefight. He hasn’t been heard from in public yet, so far as I know.
This all reminds me of Michael J. Fox’s character in Casualties of War speaking to Sean Penn’s character when he says: Nobody cares, Meserve. I told everybody. I told them. You don’t have to worry. You don’t have to try to kill me, man. I told them, and THEY DON’T CARE!
sdferr, this from the State dept. brief is what you are thinking?
Okay somebody with a memory of Jimmeh Carter Days : was he just totally inept or was he actively allowing slaughters like this? I seem to remember that the Iranian hostages just had to sit and wait until the next president was elected…but what Obama did here looks like straight up murder.
Also: Panetta. What a douchebag. watched that video where he sits there like a dumbass lump on a log and says “we can’t send forces into [harm’s way?] when we don’t know what’s happening”
COULD WE PLEASE HAVE SOMEBODY WITH HALF A CLUE IN CHARGE OF THIS SHIT??
also there’s an hour long Obama call to Netanyahu somewheres in there.
– And that one guard is probably the only witness left alive that could fry Obama’s half white ass, so you’re not going to see hide nor hair of him for a long time. The only way this is going to come unglued is if some lower level staffer finally gets some balls and steps up with the truth. Anyone, and everyone in that position is being covered like flies on shit, with bribes, threats, you name it.
– If that doesn’t happen this Marxist bastard is going to keep it down til after election day, figuring if he losses no one will pursue it, and if he wins he can play a long protracted game of wits and ongoing liars poker.
– I still think there is much more to Benghazi than even the murders, cover-ups, and intentional denial of rescue. All those spooks on the ground were there for a specific purpose. A consulate does not warrant such a heavy presence of the CIA without something very secret and very important going on.
“we can’t send forces into [harm’s way?] when we don’t know what’s happening”
glad he wasn’t around for dday
No geoffb, that’s not it: what I recall was somebody (in authority to speak) actually naming the guy (just last name I think, with the DS(O?) prefix)as they recited his deeds at the consulate, then speaking his name again when reciting his deeds and wounding on the annex roof. Damn me for not remembering where I heard it though.
newrouter said: “baracky didn’t see nobody on the kill list there”
Perhaps he did. The guy ( Amb. Stevens) who might have been the point man in running arms to the Syrian (al-Qaeda supported) “rebels”. Who knows?
– Find out what was behind the heavy CIA presence and you’ll probably know the reasons for this entire farce, including the way they handled it all.
– Its even possible that Al Qaeda got tipped off to whatever was going on and organized the attack because of it, which would explain the desperate ridiculous cover story fiasco.
we can’t send in journalists in such a way that harm might come to food stamp
meanwhile Fox News is getting really cheesy and melodramatic and it’s hard to take them seriously cause they grasp at every new little thing so frantically
– They’re not frantic feets, they’re incredulous that this could go on without a peep from the whore media.
Report – Ty Woods: “Where The Fuck Is The Spectre” ?
it’s hard to take them seriously cause they grasp at every new little thing so frantically
piecing the truth together does that when confronting a marxist baracky/media
– This just keeps getting worse.
Yeoman’s work on the chronology Geoff. Well done.
I’m not used to fox news maybe
it’s a new thing for me it comes with the room
– If Bumblefuck doesn’t start coming up with some plausible explanations they’re going to have to keep him on Airforce-1 24/7. That’s the only place he’ll be safe.
The guy ( Amb. Stevens) who might have been the point man in running arms to the Syrian (al-Qaeda supported) “rebels”. Who knows?
I think this is quite possible. Fast and Furious in Benghazi.
– Ok then. Detroit finally scored after 30 innings. Maybe that’s a sign or something that the shit is about to hit the Obama fan.
I think it’s a sign that Miggy can only be kept down for so long before he breaks out, is what it’s a sign of.
Griffin said her source detailed a frantic situation, with Washington repeatedly (and bewilderingly) telling American forces to “stand down,” and with promised reinforcements failing to arrive in spite of being well within striking distance.
The source in question was reportedly stationed at the local CIA annex, where a sizable number of US forces were holed up after being told to “stand down” and avoid danger, rather than attempt to mount a rescue for the survivors. Starting at 9:40 PM, these soldiers asked the base chief for permission to help at the consulate. The chief told them to “stand down” as he was trying to arrange Libyan help for the mission.
He apparently failed. The troops asked his permission again at 10:30 PM. Again, denied. Griffin added that in attempting to rescue the survivors and climbing the walls of the consulate to do so, deliberately putting themselves at risk, the soldiers, including slain Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods, actively defied these orders.
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– I keep getting this sick feeling in my gut that the WH, and every single fuckface in this administration that was involved, needed them dead to cover up whatever was actually going on over there.
I recall that as well. Greg Palkot named him in the Baier special. I shall dig.
griffin video i hope
David Ubben? Not sure about the spelling but that’s what it sounds like.
well it is that page
That could be the place I heard it Pablo.
The David part I don’t recall, the Ubben part sounds just like what I heard.
David Uben.
Griffen is now putting the “Stand down” order into the mouth of the CIA station chief in Benghazi, though who knows what orders he’s laboring under?
The State timeline says that one of the agents who came from the consulate was injured on the annex roof. It doesn’t specify which one, so could be Uben, could be another.
The comments at the link “Report – Ty Woods: “Where The Fuck Is The Spectre” ?” are why I tried to get a timeline pieced together as people have who was where when doing what all jumbled up.
And any additions that people have are very welcome as I just want to get down to what happened, who, where and when.
He did come out pretty quickly saying “Hell yes, we asked for help!”
The comments at the link “Report – Ty Woods: “Where The Fuck Is The Spectre” ?”
the blaze has the same story
One thing about the Annex is that the only pictures, I’ve found anyway, are that one video report of CBS. In it they only really look at one building much, the northern most one. And it shows damage on only two sides and the roof and none on a third. Don’t know about the 4th as it really doesn’t show up. There are 4 main buildings at the Annex and we don’t know anything about the others.
There is one shot of a roofed over outdoor weight training place which looks unharmed but who knows where it was/is.
The North building is the one which overlooks the warehouse complex that is just to the north of the Annex. From the damage to the north Building the fire had to come from that area and some at least had to be from the roofs there in order for the bullets to hit the 1st floor wall of that building.
Hell yes, we asked for help!”
See. that right there was the mistake.
What they should have done is passed the hat and collect campaign contributions, bundle those contributions, send them off to a lobbysist who could bundle their contribution with contributions from all the guys cooling their heels while waiting the “go.” Then the lobbyist could have sat down with Jarret or Axelrod over lunch and talked about all the exciting green energy ideas the consulate staff had come up with in their free time, —but before the pols in D.C. could get rich cashing in on those ideas, the administration would first have to save the lives of the consulate staffers.
Not the story nr but some commenters. The story I have no trouble with. Some of the commenters just jumble everything up as far as who was where and when.
I believe that pix/maps of the annex are what Chaffetz was objecting to being shown at the hearing.
Which is closing the barn door after the horses have are gone.
Tyrone Woods was painting a target with a ground laser designator (GLD). Those are only used when the air asset is overhead, ready to fire. The jihadis can use cell phones with night-vision capabilities to see the laser beam, which then pinpoints the location of the person using the GLD. As a former Navy SEAL, Woods would’ve known that. He would only have exposed himself if he thought that the mortar squad was about to be taken out. The air asset didn’t fire, and Woods and Glen Doherty were killed by the mortar squad.
There was either a Spectre gunship or an armed Predator or Reaper drone overhead, and it was denied permission to fire. That’s the only explanation that fits. Woods would not have used his GLD for any other reason than to paint a target for an immediate air strike.
Only the commander of AFRICOM and the president have the authority to tell the air asset to not fire in this situation.
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No “have” or no “are”.
I just read that link about Ty Woods — seriously WTF. Panetta is a freaking troll. Obama is the biggest POS and Hillary should never show her face in public again.
This is disgusting.
Yup.
Not that it will be terribly useful, but this might be it.
See also Low Profile in Benghazi: When Political Correctness Kills. It’s a bit of a read but well worth it.
It’s labeled as the consulate, but it looks much larger than I envisioned it.
The Jug eared Won is now sitting in a CFS after refusing to answer when he knew about the requests for support and the tines of the NSC meetings and his participation.
– He can’t possibly believe he can stonewall this for nine more days.
When the satellite photo was displayed, a senior committee Republican, Representative Jason Chaffetz, complained that the discussion was drifting into “classified issues that deal with sources and methods,”
yea right the coordinates were already known by the cnn reporter with stevens’ diary. good allan dc peeps are the stupid
Certainly. But it still seems to not have become widely available.
Be that failure as it may, you still don’t put the shit up on C-SPAN.
Be that failure as it may, you still don’t put the shit up on C-SPAN.
a satellite view from google earth?????
Be that failure as it may, you still don’t put the shit up on C-SPAN.
well jihadi-span™ already did
That is the consulate Pablo. The annex is 1/2 mile, as the crow flies, SSE just south of a group of warehouses.
Make that SE.
Got a link, nr? I’d like to see it.
really what is the national security interest in an over run consulate in n. africa. “Rommel… you magnificent bastard, *I read your book*! “
benghazi from infidel satellites
– So what we’ve got is WaterGate, but with dead bodies and something we’re never supposed to know about, and a Nixon with less hair, no balls, and an even bigger ego.
Is there a triangular grass island in the center of it, geoffb? 4 main buildings?
BBH – I still can’t wrap my mind around the fact that this eunuch in mom jeans is possibly going to win another election.
I hope Fox keeps pounding this, because nobody else is going to
yes
Got a link, nr? I’d like to see it.
that’s not the point. that location in benghazi is useless for the foreseeable future. that cover is blown. that chafetz brought up “national security” is dc bs.
I like this idea:
Let’s melt their phones down and see how Baracky’s media plays that.
that cover is blown.
it was on 9/1/12 because the jihadi’s attacked it on 9/11/12. only the american peeps are not allowed to know.
Missfixit, he’s not going to win.
The thing that has been bothering me the most is the impugning of the abilities of the military in a sticky situation. WTF is Leon Panetta to second guess a bunch of combat ready soldiers? He acts as if there aren’t contingency plans for everything that can possibly happen anywhere at anytime.
How does he think our cocksucking president is still drawing breath?
OK, got it. Thanks, geoffb.
“Yesterday, a California radio show called The Dark Secret Place, hosted by Bryan Suits–a combat veteran of Desert Storm, Kosovo, and Iraq–interviewed a former member of the Combatant Commanders In-Extremis Force (CIF), which was in Italy. These are the “firefighters” of the U.S. military, who are always on call. Their gear and weaponry are always packed, and they’re used for precisely what happened in Benghazi. They could’ve been in Benghazi very quickly.
This veteran says Panetta is lying about deciding that it was too risky to send in troops because they didn’t have enough information. The CIF is always sent in, regardless of the risk. He also said that the information Panetta had–real-time video from overhead, exact locations, exact identities of the Americans involved–would’ve been the most the CIF would ever have had before a mission. They’ve gone in before using only hand-drawn maps.
Finally, this veteran said that no general would’ve advised Panetta against using the CIF, because this is the unit’s job. They’re more heavily armed and trained than the Delta Force. ” *
Who ordered the stand down? That is the question Obama must answer now.
I didn’t even have to know all that shit about CIF or the chain of command — you could tell just by the video of Panetta giving that excuse that it was the weakest bullshit. He looked like he was lying, and instinct tells you that SEALs are probably capable of handling that situation. Fucking Panetta. I hope Obama gets this rammed down his throat, STAT
Who ordered the stand down? That is the question Obama must answer now.
No one else gave that order other than the president. No matter how anyone tries to slice it, it all comes back to the WH. He’s finally told the Big Lie™ that is going to clean his clock.
Good men are being relieved of commands. Other good men have given their lives. One he called ‘friend’, Chris Stevens. Fuck Obama sideways. That SOB needs to be impeached and go to prison. No other president has willfully murdered his own men.
The only other situation that even comes to mind was McArthur getting fired by Truman. And Truman didn’t kill anyone.
True. Even if it was Panetta, it was Obama. He can’t complain about being out of the loop unless he wants to admit dereliction of duty. CINC has responsibilities attached. No excuses.
I hope Obama gets this rammed down his throat, STAT
– I’d prefer a different point of entry.
Ain’t nothing happening to Obama. He’s going to lose the election, and six months from now no one will remember Christopher Stevens.
We’ll be too busy talking about how Romney fucked up Afghanistan and Syria, and how he allowed Iran to get the bomb…
Lee, this is tearing the fabric of the military apart. This isn’t going to go quietly.
Lee’s right. Obama loses the election, pretty much end of story so far as consequences to him goes. Romney won’t pursue him, and I doubt the establicans in Congress will go very far since they’ll be busy buying Democrat votes to move Romney programs. Oh for sure people will crap on Obama in history books, but he isn’t paying any physical cost.
The interview mentioned in my 8:46 is here.
Romney won’t pursue him, and I doubt the establicans in Congress will go very far since they’ll be busy buying Democrat votes to move Romney programs.
oh noes. if baracky loses the mittens better pursue it.
because we will. 1 term romney.
Nice job on the time line, and devastating respecting the administration’s malfeasance at Benghazi, but I keep being curious about how the overlapping sequence of events in Egypt folds into the picture. All of the time lines I’ve seen start with Ambassador Stevens at the gate and seeing no trouble, when the embassy in Egypt was already under siege, and a tweetly pronouncement or two had been issued by staff there, allegedly followed by (and preceded by, if I recall correctly) email traffic with U.S. headquarters as to the appropriateness of said tweets, along with Romney’s comments on the matter and Obama’s criticisms thereof in the works, etc. It’s part of the larger picture, and while I’m not sure it matters as to the strict issue of malfeasance in Benghazi, it does go to the state of confusion in the administration, and the rolling incompetence, which is what the malfeasance boils down to.
A cursory search turns up stupid David Weigel with a rudimentary time line of events in Egypt…
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/09/12/timeline_the_romney_campaign_s_odd_response_to_the_embassy_protests.html
… and a little contemporaneous background on the Egyptian protests…
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48992623/Egyptians_Protest_Video_Scale_US_Embassy_Walls
One of the points to be made is that the White House obviously WAS watching events closely, as a statement was issued around 10 p.m. of the night in question regarding the Egyptian situation. Clinton and others WERE reading their emails and reacting, politically (always politically), as it happened, and it puts the perps at the scene.
how many bureaucrats are there in between the many different agencies on the ground in benghazi and baracky? fallman/strawman.
Bullshit. 3 minutes after the election, Benghazi will be about as relevant as Waco was when the votes were being recounted for the fourth time in 2000.
No one cared about Waco when it happened. Nutty crispy Chisters? Big deal. Except Tim McVeigh.
Were any of Obama’s bigs on the Sunday shows? Axelrodent or Plouffe, not the spokesholes? What’s the next move at the WH? Carney has vanished from the Press Room since the middle of last week.
“Ruby Ridge! Live free or die motherfuckers!
“Who’s Ruby?”
Pretty much.
No one cared about Waco leigh, is my point. The President sent tanks to a private property to serve a warrant and ended up incinerating 80-odd women and children.
Really think Stevens and a couple of non-coms are going to topple the Democratic party?
You have to imagine these people thinking in cinema tropes. You’ve got the Dale Dye character from Saving Private Ryan popping up in their* heads saying that they don’t know where the ambassador is, that he’s probably already KIA and if they send people in to traipse around looking for him, they’ll wind up KIA too. And then somebody mentions all those MANPADS we’re concerned about, and the Sam Shepard character from Black Hawk Down pops us to say that we’ve just lost the initiative as a helicopter or a spectre gets shot down. And then they’re worried about how the international community is going to react to our “invasion” of Libya. And naturally, they all know that will purely annoy the hell out of their proggtard base….
Maybe the decision to intervene is defensible. Probably not, but maybe there was reason for legitimate concern for getting sucked into a Libyan Mogadishu in which we’d take twenty or thirty or more additional casualties and cause several hundred to a thousand casualties among the jihadis and the locals as we levelled the surrounding blocks. These people care more about those optics than they do about the murder of an American ambassador. Their problem is that the American people don’t. So, coverup. The ambassador was killed as a consequence of an angry mob reacting to a provacative youtube video.
Not acting may have been the better part of valor. More likely it was political cowardice. But blaming that guy in L.A., that was just craven.
*they being whoever was in the room who made (or rather, didn’t make) the decision.
“What’s the next move at the WH?”
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Shit, I thought Fast and Furious would be a big deal. Turns out, not so much.
My currwnt cynicism laughs in the face of last years cynicism, then gives it a wedgey and steals it’s lunch money.
Ernst
OT but I don’t remember the character Dale Dye played in SPR
however, the actual guy Dale Dye is probably having a stroke over this (sorry he still isn’t on air regularly at KFI-AM in Los Angeles)
Really think Stevens and a couple of non-coms are going to topple the Democratic party?
senator rand paul says: yes we can!
The president says the buck stops with him, (Secretary of State) Hillary Clinton says the buck stops with her, but ultimately, when people say that, to me, I want results,” he said.
Paul said the administration should be able to provide answers quickly. “I think we have to know who made the decision, and I think someone should be let go. Someone should resign or be fired — whoever made the decision to pull the security team, pull the plane and not have the Marines there.”
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see i ain’t playing the game of ” we f**ked don’t say any thing.”. go away losers
These people care more about those optics than they do about the murder of an American ambassador. Their problem is that the American people don’t.
The patriotism of a country full of pissed off Americans should make them quake in their expensive Italian loafers.
Portman and other surrogates need to get out in the news and beat this drum. R&R, unfortunately need to stay above the fray at this late date. Surrogates can question whether Obama will bomb some hapless nomads in a ‘show of strength’ before the election for political gain.
Uh oh … General Ham is starting to signal that he will not be thrown under the bus.
eff ham he should have publicly resigned by now
He was the aide to Gen’l Marshall who thought it was a stupid idea to go save Private Ryan
—said something about Ryan probably being KIA and sending people to look for him would only get them KIA’d too.
Which—
Stanley Kurtz is very much right as to Obama’s vision. Obama’s vision is very much wrong about where America is today. Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition.
– Mr president, General Ham has testigied to Comgress that US forces were available to assist the consulate but no order was given to do so. Who made that decision amd why?
From Darleen’s link.
Yep.
Kurtz is right on. I hope Obama triples down. His speeches are already an embarrassment to listen to. So much so that some of my lefty friends aren’t going to vote.
– BTW, its not clear that Ham is being totally candid either. I’m having a hard time believing there was no standing order to proceed in such a scenario, which would require a specific “stand down” order from Obama or Panetta, so the question might more properly be phrased as:
– Mr. President, who made the decision to stand down, refusing assistance and gave the order, and why?
– Which Ham’s answer would carefully side step. Since the whole thing is an obvious cover-up of something, you can bet the usual suspects are going to play the “proper” questions weren’t asked game if it all comes out later. All part of plausible deniability.
Ham was a new hire at AFRICOM. Is he part of the hive? That is/isn’t hard to believe.
– Well Leigh military high-ups are pretty much creatures of career CYA types. They very seldom outright lie, but they will never volunteer anything they don’t get asked point blank. They are more than willing to lie by omission, that being a much more difficukt offense to nail down and prove intent.
– Whats infuriating is why Issa is waiting until after the election to continue the hearings.
It’s probably because all the dirtbags in congress are campaigning to keep their highly paid phoney-baloney jobs.
Probably because he and the rest of the committee members have their phoney-baloney jobs to look after too.
“The election has nothing to do with the four brave Americans getting killed and us wanting to find out exactly what happened,” the president said in TV interview with an NBC affiliate in Colorado.
When asked again, Obama said, “The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives — Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to.”
– Apparently Gen. Ham didn’t hear him.
Pablo, thank you for that link to the radio show.
Easiest way to secure our people was to tell them to remain where they were and let the Libyans sort it out, wasn’t it?
geoffb, d’ja notice how quickly Mr. D and the radio host got to the question “where are the other casualties?” Nobody else seems to be paying them any mind — outside a mention and a swift forgetting.
“…..and doing whatever we need to.”
– Yeh you commie prick…..Doing whatever you needed to to keep your job.
– Hopefully not for much longer.
– All the pundits are guessing Romney is not pursuing it to “stay above the frey”. I’m still wondering if he was let in on the truth already and something is holding him back because of what he knows. He is getting daily intel briefs, and has been for almost three months, sp he would have been immediatly briefed on Benghazi shortly after it happened..
– They are most likely sequestered on some military base area/hospital. They will not be “available” for comment, and the press isn’t asking.
Romney’s staying about the fray in order to avoid the charge of politicizing a tragic foreign policy crisis for cheap partisan gain.
That’s for Democrats to do.
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This is a failure of planning (preparing forces and contingency plans for an obvious hot spot and date) and intelligence (hot spot, date, detecting a gathering armed crowd by the facility etc.) compounded by a ridiculous attempt at cover up.
That said, I don’t think the Time story says there was a laser designator used in this engagement. There is web speculation that armed drones or an AC-130 gunship was on scene but didn’t engage based solely on the idea that there was a laser designator in use. This is not supported by the Time timeline referenced in this article:
“When they arrived, they found the Americans at the annex tired and nervous. Then, around 3 a.m., bullets began hitting just outside the annex. “Mortars started landing. They hit the roof. There were several and we were all confused,” said Faruq of the Libyan Shield brigade. “The Marines put on their night vision goggles and took up positions,” said Faruq. “Some positioned themselves in the doorway and some set up inside.” It was during this attack that former Navy SEAL commandos Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed.”
Zoom, it’s from the State Dept. briefing.
Their arrival would be sometime between 11pm and midnight, probably 11:15 to 11:30. They arrive back at the annex before the Marines from the Embassy have even taken off from Tripoli since that group doesn’t get to the Benghazi airport till 2 am 2 1/2 hours later. Faruq arrives with the Marines from the Embassy. The mortar fire was after 3 am or 4 am.
There is throughout the story a one hour difference between what time the Libyans say something happened and when State says it happened. State being always one hour later. I’ve wondered if our being on daylight time may have caused this discrepancy as this weekend we will move the clock back an hour which if if was done would make State and the Libyan times of events match up.
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