And Claire McCaskill will be all for it.
Meanwhile, the GOP establishment says it will withhold money for her Republican opponent’s campaign — and are right now busy collecting signatures and blurbs and various other forms of OUTRAGE that will be used by the left to help shame moderates or conservative Dems into remaining on the PC plantation come election day.
Because, you know, this election is just too important!
Yeah, I know. Roll it around on your tongue for a while. Savor that earthy flavor of irony.
Trillions of pensive votes hang in the balance and it’s the pragmatic right’s job to troll for them by terms neither it or its constituents wrote.
Or grasp.
Or agree with.
Or something..
Which if this Romney Landslide is for real, what produced it?
Bullshitting the left?
Yes let’s change the topic. Bloomberg wants to send all the illegals to Detroit!
And is this the fault of the bush[es]?
Obama waking up the mushy headed center. With his bullshit, and his actual results.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/08/hannity-akin-what-now/ So what now?
Dana Loesch just said she can no longer support Akin. http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/dana-loesch-withdraws-support-for-todd.html
EBL, why do you keep citing what others have said? Were they here, I’d be responding to them. But they aren’t.
As far as “what now”? Dunno. You have called for this guy to step down, he won’t, and now you have to figure out what to do trying to try to drag across the finish line some moronic, selfish, pro-rape, anti-woman, GOP-condemned and Romney-condemned candidate whom many of you are on record as saying has to go.
Best of luck!
Care to address my first comment, EBL?
Well, if Dana Loesch goes…
So is the plan now to just concede Missouri to McCaskill? That’s the brilliant GOP strategy in a must win election?
Awesome. These guys rock!
So we can safely conclude that lining the politically incorrect up against the wall and shooting their careers so as to preserve leftist talking points hasn’t done much to win votes.
So why do we do it then?
Wait. Just dawned on me. Because we believe those talking points.
I had this sense in the car today, hearing some fool rightwing talker listing the great surge of Akin-bashing conservatives, that I was so fucking alone in this country. Woke up one day to find that on the eve of an ORomney victory — which means the latest four year death of anti-establishment classical liberalism — all we could do was whine on about every fucking talking point the left invented.
That being the 20% of us that identifies as liberal.
Forward.
Oh. I see, JHo. You’re one of those kinds.
Sniff.
And we thought it amusing when the DCCC said it won’t support that one conservative Democrat.
Laughed, we did. So secure in our intellectual superiority. So smug. So righteous.
What now?
Those who admire his resolve in facing head on so much home turf fragging should perhaps donate what they can to his campaign. I have a feeling he lost some potential donors.
And Hugh “Harriet Miers Rocks!” Hewitt is leading the charge.
Well, in Hugh’s defense, in that race, Claire McCaskill is the only serious candidate. I mean, she has Senate experience.
And that’s what matters.
Your voting record is irrelevant. You have an unforgivable/indefensible misconception regarding pregnancy due to rape as promulgated by the wise guys, and worse you used the word legitimate and the word rape to form a compound phrase which allowed people to suggest that you felt that rape is sometimes a legitimate course of action. Also CAC over at AoSH is correcting a poll. You must go. Even if you don’t. If we lose the senate it will be your fault even though we won’t support your run despite your primary win.
Be reasonable Mr. Akin! Lie back and think of inevitability. (While we burn you at the stake, congratulate ourselves for our zeal, blame you and your unfashionable probably Christianity inspired atavistic stupidity for starting the fire that burns you, and hold you responsible the carbon footprint of your fire even though we don’t 100% accept AGW yet but will soon if we can get it by those tea party types.)
If Hugh believes that, then he is a horse’s ass and is a registered democrat, but I repeat myself.
…”So is the plan now to just concede Missouri to McCaskill? That’s the brilliant GOP strategy in a must win election?”…
My guess is the MO GOP establishment like her better than Akin, who didn’t always toe the party line, whose one flub is worse than every thing she has done to make everyone’s life miserable. Can’t have those crazy conservatives about.
Ace of Polls HQ. Hi Gabe!
This is a case of ‘Legitimate fragging’! Am I right guys? I’m right huh? I bet I’m right y’all.
…”If we lose the senate it will be your fault even though we won’t support your run despite your primary win. “…..
If we lose the senate seat it will be because we allow the opponent to set our standards while they have none. We follow their rules for us. They do what it takes to win and we act above it all, and lose every time.
What now?
gee braraky “i luvs some partial birth abortions” obama and claire “i voted for barackycare” mccaskill have kick me signs on them. what to do?
Here is Rush too Jeff: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/aug/21/picket-audio-limbaugh-says-akin-must-put-nations-f/
I cite Rush and Levin because I think certain pundits carry some authority. Just like I cited you. Just like you cite Rush and Levin when you agree with the points they are raising.
JHoward, Jeff, I defended Akin when this broke. But when it looked like he was in trouble I suggested he give in graciously (not that he paid attention to me or probably even knew I existed). I only asked him to drop out and said he was a good guy. If you disagree with that strategy, you disagree. But Akin did not drop out. So I guess that is it. He can try to win. I wish him luck. If I lived in Missouri I would vote for him. Maybe we should all forgo giving to other candidates and pour all our discretionary money into Akin’s campaign.
I am no big fan of the GOP establishment, Romney or the rest of media, but I really do want Obama to lose and see the GOP take back the Senate. I agree public statements like Loesch just made do not help (and I do not agree with conceding this seat). It is rather depressing. It is depressing Akin put himself first. It is depressing we have an Akin supporter now saying she will not defend him. This is a battle that did not have to be fought on ground that favors the left. Now that Akin made his decision, the GOP needs to make the best of it.
And it does suck.
Real life has pissed all over my head enough for one day.
I think I’m going to revert to childhood and drop out for the evening, drink till I’m buzzed (I’m guessing four bottles and slow on the last one ought to do it) and play my new Transformers video game.
Yeah I was twelve or thirteen when the Transformers came out. So what. I was a slow bloomer.
The important thing is that GI JOe had shrunk down to Starwars figure size. Then along came a talking semi truck and some sports cars who tried to defend us from the imperial ambitions of a gussied up Walther P38, his F-15 henchmen, and a sinister walkman that carried mini-cassettes in his chest that turned into birds, panthers, and little men.
I need to watch Optimus Prime run into a truck and get blown up over and over again because I’m too stupid to go where the game wants me to go.
G’night.
It is depressing Akin put himself first.
the collective have tried you akin and you are now a enemy of the party
I’ve already dealt with Levin’s take. Rush’s is equally troubling. They can’t make the case without undermining what they argue in nearly every other circumstance.
TRS has posted Levin’s monologue from tonight.
What sucks is the leading conservative rebel blog and moron hangout running pieces 6:1 against the idiot running for office in MO and by that ratio, tacitly for the Dem officeholder over in the bushes engaging in oral sex with minors.
Either that or the right really is a bunch of publicly neurotic prudes and moralists. That happen to dovetail quite nicely with the left, bastion of integrity that it is.
Dana’s problem with Akin is that he continues to be a clueless nitwit. She’s been pretty staunch through this. Yes, the establishment is shitting all over him, but he also keeps shitting himself. This does not inspire confidence that he can win.
Me, I know at least 3 Todd Akins.
i’m thinking andy breitbart would have been on the attack in this kerfuffle
Sounds like Levin will be talking to Reince Priebus at 8:30 eastern.
I agree with you, Pablo.
Though I definitely see the point that the establishment is way too eager to jump on this and “condemn away.” It’s troubling and ultimately self-defeating.
Good. The GOP hasn’t given anything to Bachmann while the DCCC is pouring money into that race, which features a wealthy retired young guy.
This:
Despite his 12 years are loyal conservative service.
What a douche he is. Burn him.
And if he won’t stay burned? Well, we can always scapegoat him later.
I’m not sure how I’d react if the GOP came after me with such venom after 12 years in the House — calling for my head b/c I expressed an unhelpful thought.
I’m a pretty bright fellow, but I might even get flustered with the national moment of hate suddenly turned on me for citing an old study.
Or maybe not. Maybe I’m just a clueless nitwit, too.
I’ll bet this is the best laugh Biden has had in years.
Once again the GOP and a good chunk of conservatives act like battered wives.
How pathetic. They should all hang their heads in shame over their treatment of Mr. Akin.
We’re losing this War.
Fight, damn you, fight.
all this stupidity about akin would have been better spent on how to take a faux pas and turning it into an attack on baracky/mccaskill. hey baracky you still luvs partial birth abortion?
No, that’s not it.
This is it:
Which is actually 3 things, two of which are things Akin did and don’t include the original boneheaded comment.
I might well take Akin’s attitude too. But I’m not a politician either and I’d never get elected.
So Priebus holds the RNC will keep the pressure on Akin to get out of the race for the next two weeks or so into Sept.
Tearing him down another couple of weeks the RNC thinks it can wriggle out of having to defend the seat with Akin.
But then, Ze’ev Jabotinsky is long dead, so who’d expect otherwise?
Z. J., sdferr?
He took the hardline, and came to mind is all, bh.
I ask because I googled him but miss the thrust of your allusion.
Coulda said Jimmy Malone instead, but he’s just from a movie. Still, his question is the question. What are you prepared to do next?
So Priebus holds the RNC will keep the pressure on Akin to get out of the race for the next two weeks or so into Sept.
brilliant stategery . keep the shit going for 3 more weeks. just fucking brilliant. i’m so gladd baracky/mccaskill out sourced their campaign to the gop.
Was working my minuscule keyboard while you were replying.
Thanks.
Yes. And Akin should be doing it.
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Akin attacked the ticket. Was that before or after Romney called for him to step down?
Might I suggest that after twenty years of taking hits from the left for repeated outrageous outragey outrage, the wear and tear is finally starting to show.
Also, that this is why they go foaming at the mouth bonkers every damn time.
Seriously, the next time he says something remotely unhelpful, he’s going to have to suspend himself.
Jesus God Holy Mary, but it has been entirely frustrating being a work and not being able to do much more than read and seethe.
I want to give Akins the benefit of the doubt, that he’s a good guy and he pulled an Slo Joe Biden moment.
But it’s one of two things — either he’s standing on a principle with little foundation (like Obama’s vote against saving babies born alive after abortions cuz he doesn’t want his daughters punished with a baby or something), or he’s not as ‘pro-life’ as he presents speaking extreme talking points to win votes. And with the latter, doubling down on the facepalm moment without any regard to the damage he does to pro-life movement.
I couldn’t care less about Republican Establishment. I do care if people on good faith can explain themselves, including bone-headed foot-in-mouth statements.
This is not the Bennett case where what he said was entirely the opposite of how the Dems ran with it. Any reasonable reading of his talk gives it the appropriate context.
Same with Limbaugh’s “hope he fails” and the Fluke mocking.
But the more I’ve hear Akin talk, the more I keep wondering just what the fuck is he on about? Really, the pseudo-science was bad enough but it is like thin thin cover for a position he was not man enough to state plainly. He doesn’t think women impregnated by rape should have abortions.
Why did he mumble some weird shit in an attempt to cloak that opinion? Sure it’s extreme, I don’t agree with it, but for pity’s sake, stand up, say it then lay out your reasons.
As Prager says, clarification before agreement.
Akin was a bit of a moral coward then, he’s still a moral coward now.
The RNC and SRCC should just go ahead, endorse McCaskill and check that box for the win.
Look at all the conservatives making the election all about abortion after telling is it’s not, and that we need to avoid it. Did they just brush this off? No. They took it and wanted to be SEEN outraged. About a small bit of a pro-life stance.
Yay, us! Well played!
You all take it from here on out. Pin that sanctimony lever to full throttle and run with it! This guy’s a moral coward, Tony Scott doesn’t know the proper way to off himself, etc. You’ve got it all figured out.
And yet you still lose the important battles — and the important ground — every fucking time. Imagine!
If they ever get around to writing The Rise and Fall of the American Empire nobody is going to believe that we went to hell because we couldn’t get past hysterically demogoging abortion to the exclusion of all else.
I never said a thing about Akin and was willing to wait to see if his explanation of his intent held water.
Looking at the context, I don’t believe it does. It ain’t about abortion, it ain’t about the election.
It’s about someone who felt one way or another that he could NOT make his views clear.
It’s more Weineresque in “I can’t say for certain those were pictures of me”
Why did he mumble some weird shit in an attempt to cloak that opinion? Sure it’s extreme, I don’t agree with it, but for pity’s sake, stand up, say it then lay out your reasons.
i’m so glad the talk radio world had him on to grill him to be fair and balanced. those clowns couldn’t accept the apology and turn the guns on baracky/mccaskill. oh noes the leader of the rnc wants to run this baby 3 more weeks. die gop die.
Burn him, Darleen! It’s the only way to make sure he is cleansed!
Yup, nr. He’s going to have to take one for the team so the GOP can PROVE TO THE WORLD it isn’t really against women.
Because otherwise, who would believe them?
and what did I miss about Tony Scott and his suicide?
I don’t want to burn him, Jeff, he’s done himself fine on his own.
He’s given me nothing to defend him with. I watched his apology ad and I got nothing from it.
Hewitt actually said that Akin’s refusal to bow out is prideful, so he is failing to fulfill the Christian command to be humble.
I just love it when someone invokes Christian duty in the service of their craven politics.
I just love it when someone invokes Christian duty in the service of their craven politics.
nro went alinsky 1st
He’s given me nothing to defend him with
apologies don’t matter it seems with the lynch mob
nr
apologies mean something when they are sincere
Why defend him Darleen, when we could simply ignore him and focus on McCaskill and Obama.
Or is that so crazy it just might work?
“And yet you still lose the important battles — and the important ground — every fucking time. Imagine!”
Hey, if the ghost dance doesn’t work then blame the dancers ’cause the dance always works when you do it right. It has to! It’s too important not to!
I suck at video games.
Right. He just didn’t seem contrite enough. SO let’s ruin him and hand the race to McCaskill. Because he made a mistake and then didn’t do his leftist-inspired mandatory apology well enough.
You all deserve to fucking lose.
It has nothing to do with contriteness at all.
Sheesh. He tried for an easy out of presenting a coherent explanation of his alleged pro-life views. That context is what I am judging him on.
these clowns think their going to reform the fed gov’t!
yea right. they can’t even push back this little stupidity.
i think guam is going to capsize. mr freezer green had no comment while holding weiner’s dick.
Then it’s a good thing we already have.
Even if we win, I mean.
I guess
And what exactly is the context Darleen?
And by whom has it been supplied?
I flippin wish it had NOT been some sort of apology. I don’t WANT an apology, I want some flippin coherency … you know, here’s a chance to explain his intent and he can’t get there.
Maybe because there was no there there.
He tried for an easy out of presenting a coherent explanation of his alleged pro-life views.
why are these talk radio asshats giving him more rope. what’s their motivation because it ain’t taking the battle to the enemy. these same “conservative” clowns were beating up patton for slapping a soldier. dude could’ve won the fucking war a year earlier.
Here’s the thing. There is a District Hank Johnson can win easily. There’s one Tony Boner won easily. There’s one Todd Akin won easily. Senate seats are different. Bigger crowd, different game.
Why is he taking it?
Or maybe because he doesn’t know what he’s allowed to say. Being a conservative in a pro life party who is suddenly being pilloried by his own side.
You think? Maybe?
Akin should try it! But he isn’t.
Maybe because there was no there there.
yea because the whole nation needs to be concerned with a senate seat in missouri. because the whole effin gop establishment needs to voice their outrage about this. this bs is brought to you by statist america inc
Hey, Darleen. Ask yourself this: why are you “judging” him at all?
“Akin should try it! But he isn’t.”
Sure. That’ll fly with Hannity and pals telling him to get out over and over again for the “good of the party”. Y’know, like that they are doing right now is somehow good for the party.
Ernst
The context of his original statement in light of his admitted pro-life views.
I disagree, yet respect, the tough moral dilemma that comes with being pro-life with only an exception for the life of the mom. I understand that for many in the movement, that’s an innocent life regardless of the circumstance of conception. It’s a sobering and difficult thing to wrestle with, in contemplating the suffering of the woman who has been brutally attacked and now has a growing reminder of that attack.
Why didn’t Akin make that case? As much as I have disagreed with people who hold that view, I’ve defended them against the usual Leftist “you want to punish women for sex” crap because I know for those that believe what I just stated, they come to their position honestly and are willing to stand up for it.
Akin tried, IMO, to slip around it. That’s what I cannot defend.
Oh well. All we can do is continue fighting and direct our fire where it belongs…
I wonder if that has something to do with GOP establishment calling for you to step aside.
Actually, no I don’t.
Akin made a mistake and is being asked to step aside over it. That’s the outrageous bit about this.
If you can’t defend him for that alone, you’ve lost perspective. The anti intellectualism is stifling. And it will only get worse if we agree that there’s now even an acceptable orthodoxy of utterance.
Jeff
I’m judging him as I have Weiner or Obama or any number of people and their words & behavior on a daily basis.
Evaluation is the stuff of life
Why is he taking it?
is he taking it? or are the “outrage” class using against him. who told hannity that he needed to get this guy out? mittens? well maybe as mittens said he had to leave and the rest of this bs party “elite”. fuck these clowns they suck fighting proggtards.
Weiner sent naked pics. Obama is a would be tyrant. Akin doesn’t like to see babies killed.
Evaluation may be the stuff of life, but unless it’s attached to perspective it’s essentially just observational relativism.
Akin made a mistake
Was it the mistake of misspeaking or the mistake of trying to fudge his beliefs?
Why didn’t Akin make that case?
darleen i don’t give an eff. point the weapon over there where the enemy is. shit point it at the nrc.
if mittens can’t handle this properly he sure as shit won’t be able to reform nothing. ax scott walker
And I’ve never said he should “step aside”. I really don’t have a strong opinion on that either way. I’m still just gobsmacked by his statements.
He did. He just didn’t make it in the manner that you think he should have.
So throw his unhelpful ass under the bus. There’s an election to be won.
The mistake of being a Republican, I’m starting to think. Beyond that, who the fuck cares?
Aside from the entire GOP establishment. Because let me tell you, the left hated him just because. They didn’t really care about this. It was sheer opportunism.
NR
I’d love to point a weapon at the enemy as long as people like Akin aren’t fumbling a grenade down on my feet.
Akin really hurt your ability to attack Obama and McCaskill, didn’t he Darleen?
He must be punished. Or shamed. Or both.
So long as we agree to forgive him.
Gobsmacked by his statements. Jesus.
Akin aren’t fumbling a grenade down on my feet.
baracky “i luvs partial birth abortion” obama was at the golf course and couldn’t reply. attack these clowns losers.
tom foley 2.0 the mitten’s edition with special help from karltherovester: go jeb
Well played GOP. Doing the dems dirty work.
No, that’s not the argument he made. He argued that it almost never happens.
IMPURE!!!
Fuck you, for America.
He “argued” it? Or cited something making that claim? Almost offhandedly.
Maybe I missed his full-throated insistence on this point, counterpoints be damned, evidence to the contrary ignored because of the Jesus.
Well, I would have gone with UNREASONABLY JUDGEMENTAL, but to each his own, I guess.
The minute Romney chimed in on this he played right into Obama’s hand. He could of nipped this in the bud and he didn’t have the balls to do so. Now this election is going to be based on abortion and birth control. Now I want some free shit. Free prostrate exams! A colonoscopy wouldn’t hurt either. We are going to take it in the ass either way.
Romney choked on both this and the Chick-fil-a thing. But then, he’s inevitable, so cut him some slack.
Jeff I think you should change the name of your blog to ” GOP Deathwatch, (and maybe America deathwatch too).
And you should post survival tips for living in the post american era.
Not a bad idea, palaeomerus.
I want to see Obama and the Marxists defeated so badly. But to replace them with the Rove-Bushies?
Jesus. It’s time to blow up the GOP, I think. Wait until a day after the election and, win or lose, go third party. Doesn’t mean we can’t vote for principled conservative Republicans still. But it does mean the GOP can blow us.
I disagree. “It almost never happens” is Akin’s version of the “it’s a sobering and difficult thing to wrestle with, balancing the innocence of a baby, however conceived, against the suffering of a woman who’s been victimized.” To use your words, as well as Darleen’s.
The problem here is that “It almost never happens” is short hand for two ideas, poorly expressed because conflated extemporaneously. Darleen’s idea , and also the idea that if there’s a rape exception to an abortion ban, some women are going to seek to circumvent the law by lying about the circumstances in which the child they’re carrying was concieved, that is, by rape, “which almost never happens.”
We can argue about the factual basis for “it almost never happens.” But to argue that “Akin has to go because some mendacious twat-waffle somewhere is going to claim that Akin believes a woman who concieves as the result of rape, wasn’t really raped-raped, else she wouldn’t have concieved; and we can’t just have that, seeing how it purely annoys the hell out the moderates and the independents and the wimminz, and we don’t want to do that now, do we?” is so self-defeating in its surrender-simian-ness, it’s French.
Squish! Damn the principles, full speed ahead!
Romney’s also a choker. Folks might want to enter that into their calculations for November and post November. The Democrats certainly will.
Jeff, if “America Deathwatch” end’s up in the masthead, I’ve got a motto for you:
May our grandchildren and great-grandchildren forgive us for squandering the inheritance they were due —those who live AND know the truth.
“It seems to me first of all from what I understand from doctors that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,”
That and this:
..bear no resemblance to each other. They’re different arguments.
Gee, Pablo. Didn’t I already point out where I thought Levin was wrong?
And of course, I was basing that on yesterday’s show. Today it’s, Akin thinks he’s bigger than the movement. As if there is a movement that isn’t being completely controlled, bit by bit, by the very people we’re ostensibly fighting against. And it’s they who our “win” will give power to.
Funny, when people say the same thing about Levin — that he puts principle ahead of winning — he chafes. Guess it’s easier when someone else is the scapegoat.
Now it really is all yours, folks.
Enjoy.
Offhandedly? Offhanded comments don’t begin with “First of all.”
Hey, 9/11 was an inside job!
What? I cited something! It’s all good, right?
The movement? Didn’t hear Levin say that. Perhaps I should listen again with an ear toward hearing him say what he didn’t actually say. And maybe I’ll revisit Akin’s comments hoping to hear him say something he didn’t say and not what he did say.
Of course, making this a habit might lead to thinking Obama makes sense.
I should totally run for a Senate seat.
Don’t bother Pablo. It’s like beating your head against the wall now.
I’m with bh. Everyone needs to settle down.
See ya tomorow.
Movement, cause. Cause is right there in the title. As I said, I was basing my characterization of Levin’s arguments on yesterday’s show. Haven’t heard the show tonight.
I never thought you’d be able to come up with so precise an analogy, but you sure did swing it!
I gathered you thought it was OK to cite something idiotic in a campaign, as long as you were citing something and not totally making it up. If you’ve argued otherwise in this, I think I missed it. ‘Lil help?
..bear no resemblance to each other. They’re different arguments.
AKIN AIN’T THE FUCKING ENEMY. AX BARACKY/MCCASKILL ABOUT PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS. THIS AIN’T HARD PEEPS!!!!!!!!
Remember, Romney was the governor of Taxachusetts.
“Pablo says August 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Squish! Damn the principles, full speed ahead!”
Well given all the silly defeat-snatching, self flagellating, bullshit I’ve seen on display since 2010, I’m starting to think that the GOP thinks IT is more important than “the cause” too.
Hell, just now they aptly demonstrated that being seen slapping Akin down and condemning him to the point of overkill, where it begins to resemble a ‘Grand Guignol’ more than mere expression of distaste and disagreement, is FAR more important to them than the cause of supporting his bid for the Missouri senate seat.
It’s very much “why did you make me throw all of my expensive china at you last night?” style reasoning.
it’s a pity that Rove, Hannity, and the others can’t seem to muster such incredible fervor, unity, and passion when opposing Obama and the democrats.
That’s how much “the cause” apparently means to them. It’s a secondary concern. A side mission.
I think they resemble each other, however imperfectly.
If we shoot the messenger every time the message gets garbled, simply for the fact that the message was garbled (and yet, somehow, we understood it), we’re going to have an impossible time finding messengers.
Mark Foley isn’t the enemy either. But I’d rather not run him against the enemy.
No, that wasn’t a garbled message, that was bullshit.
It seems to me first of all from what I understand from doctors that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,”
‘Legitimate rape’ is what everyone is twisting. There is rape and then there is Duke Lacrosse rape or Tiller the Baby Killer rape. There has been and will be women crying rape just to get that exception.
That is how I took his mangled words. In the grand scheme of abortions, rape induced pregnancy is rare.
Keep piling on doing the work the dems were going to do anyway, establishment, big talkers, and establishment. Way to win that seat!
In other news, this makes me a very happy boy.
No you didn’t.
The idiocy of the argument to you is based on your knowledge of some statistics that not everyone knows; citation of those figures could have provided a challenge to the citation referenced by Akin, and he could have been shown to be misinformed, rather than an evil extremist and impolitic moron who, after twelve years in the House and a GOP primary victory in a tough field, needed to be shouted down and shamed out to pasture.
Again, the rarity of rape leading to pregnancy depends on what it’s rare compared to.
911 being an inside job defies logic, logistics, physics, and common sense. The rarity of women who are raped getting pregnant is certainly plausible — particular when the foundation of that beliefs seems to rest with the idea that under stressful conditions it is less likely to conceive. At least, according to the NAZIS.
MACACA!
Ooooo, I denounce myself.
Give me a flippin’ break. The party of stupid only knows how to bend over. Oh, we’re above it all, we’re not going to lower ourselves to their level, we must watch ourselves because we might make the other side come after us.
Then lose. Every. Time.
“Mark Foley isn’t the enemy either. But I’d rather not run him against the enemy.”
After what’s happened it probably doesn’t really matter who you’d rather run NOW. The pooch is screwed. And sadly Akin only managed to screw about 20% of it. The other 80% was screwed by the democrats and his own party. Of course now they’ve concluded that HE owes THEM restraint , loyalty, understanding, and deference. Once he’s done his turn in the brass bull that is.
Oh it is a GRAND old party. A grand old party indeed. Bring your own hooch.
By the way, Levin has gotten to the point where he has embraced the “electability” argument.
The pragmatism, it’s very seductive. How we get there? No matter. That’s to be forgotten. THE FATE OF THE COUNTRY RESTS ON THIS ELECTION!
Stepped out for a bit for some dinner.
But to argue that “Akin has to go because some mendacious twat-waffle somewhere is going to claim that Akin believes a woman who concieves as the result of rape, wasn’t really raped-raped, else she wouldn’t have concieved; and we can’t just have that, seeing how it purely annoys the hell out the moderates and the independents and the wimminz, and we don’t want to do that now, do we?”
Ernst, did I argue that? I have deliberately cut myself out of caring what it means politically so I could attempt to understand why I was “gobsmacked” … and I was. My emotional reaction was not one of thinking – oh gawd we may lose the Senate! AWWW! But more of “fuck me, how can a grown man be so knuckleheaded?” I don’t think he was talking in shorthand – aren’t you rewriting his words with that? He was calmly doing an appeal to authority (“Experts say!”) so obviously risible one should excuse my wonderment if he wasn’t just putting everyone on.
I would feel the same way if he was just some guy jawing at the next table over at a restaurant.
I don’t really know if Akin was trying to convince the audience, or himself, of his “science”.
In fact, let me go further. Levin’s argument is full of shit. It goes against nearly every argument he’s made for years.
He says it isn’t about buckling. But shouting it doesn’t make it so. It precisely is about that. It’s buckling to the GOP establishment. Same way we always get a RINO as our candidate for President. They saw an opportunity and joined the Dems. They hate conservatives. They’re hoping to get their candidate in there. And now that Akin won’t quit on the voters who got him the nomination, he’s the bad guy.
Bullshit.
see, it’s not about small percentages or rape-pregnancy is rare but the “oh, a woman’s body just knows how to distinguish between a rapist sperm and a lovers sperm and will just shut down on the former.”
The female reproductive system just doesnt work that way … and anyone that took even high school biology (inside or outside the classroom) knows that.
now how about some naked royal pics?
An argument I don’t believe he made.
So why would you think Akin doesn’t?
Akin: “the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down”
Uh no, it doesn’t have ways to shut down reproductively when raped — forcible or otherwise.
Which, again, leads me to my evaluation that he’s trying to find a way to wrap his “no abortion for rape” principle in a patina of science.
I don’t like when greens or tobacco nazis do that, why should I like it from him?
I took both high school biology and a couple in college and… they never covered what was presented as his version.
I imagine my high school was pretty crap but in college we were doing gel electrophoresis and everything.
With goggles!
Really? Because Monster and others are linking all sort of things that suggest that stress does just that. Is rape sex? Or is it violence? Is violence pleasurable or stressful? Does stress harm or hurt the chances of conceiving and / or miscarriage?
Maybe I need to draw a map.
In high school it was both biology and advanced biology. Yay me!
I suppose if you add in a couple college classes I’m probably way more informed than your average person working off of a high school class.
Bow before my authority.
Worms, frogs, fetal pigs? I’ve messed around in their insides. For science.
I believe the class that best covered some of this in high school was physiology. Aced it.
Like, I got 100s on tests and everything. Want to know how kidneys work? I’ll tell you!
I want some flippin coherency
Why?
Why can’t we just pull an “oh, that’s just crazy uncle joe bein’ joe” and let the news cycle roll on as it always does? It’s not as if he can implement his views on abortion, whatever they may be.
He was a fer shur vote to repeal Obamacare. His views on rape and pregnancy have no bearing on that or anything else the Senate will be voting on.
Maybe because there was no there there.
So! What!
CERTAIN VOTE TO REPEAL OBAMACARE! I’m pretty sure that’s the big issue we’re supposed to be focusing on.
That’s what I cannot defend.
who says you have to defend it at all? Just reject the idea that a man should lose his whole career over one idiot statement and tell everyone else to FOCUS ON THE REAL ISSUES instead of parsing his stupid thought processes.
With my low level biology CV now laid out I’m going to give some expert testimony:
They never talked about stress or really anything that created a differential for either conception or miscarriage (not once, not ever) and I don’t think it’s strange at all to imagine that violent rape would decrease the rates of either.
I’m still waiting for somebody to explain to me the knuckle-headed bullshit part:
the “fr0m what I understand from doctor’s” part or the “the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down” part.
Because We All Know What He Meant, being the true scotsmen we are, and if he says differently, he’s a liar.
The next time a Republican gets accused of something, no matter how outrageous the accusation, he should just admit to it. And then say that his wife and children have forgiven him and that he intends to move on and do the important things that people really care about and not be distracted by these stories that are in the past and nobody’s business.
Where they gonna go with that?
Look:
Let’s just concede fully and completely that what Akin said was the stupidest most anti-scientific, impolitic, knuckleheaded, incorrect, inaccurate, indefensible, insensitive utterance ever to see the light of day since the dawn of mankind.
And let’s also concede that Akin is a knuckle-dragging moron and an extremist Christer and an embarrassment to the GOP, to Missouri, to the U.S. Senate, and to all that is good and holy.
He still was an iron-clad vote for the wholesale repeal of Obamacare.
Does the word “pragmatic” enter into this observation anywhere?
Does the circular firing-squad invoke such a concept?
Which is the more “pragmatic” approach: to laugh off his idiotic statement or to force him to step down?
Cripes, we’re so wrapped around the axles we don’t even know which side is up anymore.
I have to be at work tomorrow at 8am so that I can go explain deep-packet inspection software to a gaggle of translators.
Jeff
I just read some of Monster’s links … the one about stress? The key word is “chronic” stress and “may” play a role in suppressing ovulation
But if ovulation has already occured, anytime within 3 days of that a conception may take place.
Why can’t we just pull an “oh, that’s just crazy uncle joe bein’ joe” and let the news cycle roll on as it always does? It’s not as if he can implement his views on abortion, whatever they may be.
di, I wish someone had. I really do.
Too bad we threw him under the bus, backed the bus over him, fed his corpse to the wolves and then threw the scraps to the sharks. instead of asking him, and then asking him some more.
Because maybe we could have had a conversation about the science (or the “science”) and clarified a few things about his position (one that, irrespective of the science, reduces to “it’s not right to kill babies, even if they’re rape babies, by the way) before we got our two-minute hate on.
Ernst
1st bit – appeal to authority. Which doctor? Where?
2nd bit – pseudo science, WHY did he offer something so off?
Too bad we threw him under the bus
I’m not in that ‘we’. I speak only for my own evaluation.
Some good news for a change!
http://washingtonexaminer.com/federal-court-obamas-epa-recognizes-no-legal-limits/article/2505495#.UDRuYdutMT7
He still was an iron-clad vote for the wholesale repeal of Obamacare.
Does the word “pragmatic” enter into this observation anywhere?
That is what Rush and Levin were arguing for. They asked him to step down and take one for the team. Akin said no.
Why argue it anymore? I hope Akin wins, because I want Claire McCaskill to lose.
Darleen,
both bits, speaking extemporaneously. Fuck him for not having prepared remarks or prescreening the interview like Obama does.
If he were a flat earther or an intelligent designer or a young earth hypothesizer, would we disdain him? What if he was asked about one of those things and gave an impolitic (or perpahs too politic) or a confused answer?
Funny how the pragmatic thing to do always seems to involve a conservative yeilding in favor of someone more moderate.
– Meanwhile, another day is consumed with manufactured hature on a subject so rife with viceral response it almost defies rational duscussion, but at least another pragmatic response leaves the GOP establishment “morally unsullied”, yet another conservative legislator dangling from the cliff, and the mongrels of the Left cackling at their superior agitprop skills.
– The good news is theres still 75 days left to try to start thinking like winners. The bad news is theres no evidence that will happen.
Oh. “May.” So it not being definite makes it not likely. Or if likely, certainly not dispositive. How dare he extrapolate out!
And “chronic.” That’s a dealbreaker, then, because rape is only stressful while the felon is boning you violently.
Well argued!
And the chances of miscarriage?
Somebody just wants to win an argument.
It’s always more fun to win than to lose.
Ask any Republican.
Ask any Republican.
– How would they know?
Ernst: Rush and Levin are not more moderate than Akin.
I hate to be a nitpicker but as it’s my own comment I suppose I’m not gonna bug anyone.
Above I mentioned decreasing rates with both conception and miscarriage as if they were on the same negative/positive line. Let’s imagine I instead referred to decreasing conception rates and increasing miscarriage rates in response to extreme stress.
Rush and Levin aren’t offering themselves as Akin’s replacement either.
And anyways, I thought the whole reason the Democrats crossed over to vote for him in the primary was because he was so right wing that even the teatards were scared of him.
Probably more to you’re point EBL, this, from my perspective, is about yielding to what we might call the pragmatic temptation or just win baby!!!
It’s fuzzy headed pseudo-pragmatism is what it is. We just lost an easy pick-up. It’s gone. Forget about it. Write it off. And why? Because a lot of people had the same icky reaction Darleen had. A reaction cynically (and expertly, I might add) exploited by both the mediacrats and the GOP establishment —two sick fucks using each other shamelessly (one might also say pragmatically) for their own purposes. Really, it ought to come with an NC-17 label attached to it.
But tell me, where’s the tough choice, the gimlet eye fixed on the prize, the laser like focus on the real issue which is the future viability of the Republic itself? You know, the pragmatism they baited you with before they sent you home in an Chevy Pinto?
teatards? I am surprised you did not call them baggers?
My point is Rush and Levin are hardly moderates. As for the easy pickup, it was lost when Akin opened his mouth. The primary damage was done then. The GOP over reaction did not help (I agree the criticism should have been private, not public), but they were hoping Akin would bow out and let one of the other GOP candidates take over and of course many GOP fear guilt by association on issues like this (which is a huge mistake on their part and criticism for that is entirely justified). It was a perfect fuckdom storm with the short deadline and all.
Although you make a point with the mediacrats, GOP establishment and the NC-17 rating.
This is just one race. I hope Akin wins. Who knows, maybe this will blow over by November.
” As for the easy pickup, it was lost when Akin opened his mouth. The primary damage was done then.”
A great deal more damage has been done after he opened his mouth and it was done by his own party refusing him support and instead condemning him publicly thus vastly affirming the outrage narrative.
“His own party hates him and won’t support him” suppresses a HELL of a lot of votes. A third party spoiler suppresses or diverts even more.
– Or then again, maybe it will ‘blow over’ next week…Savor that earthy flavor of irony.
I use teatard ironically —like nigger— which I’m not allowed to use, so hurry up and denounce me before they ban my ass, and possibly yours too if you don’t hurry up fast enough.
And I don’t think it was over when Akin opened his mouth. I think it was over when Republicans like Romney and Rove and NRO’s “editorial voice,” everybody who signed that stupid letter, and everybody in the rightwing commentariat who opted for “right-thinking” over “right-wing” said “Akin opened his mouth and now it’s over, WE’RE DOOMED!” And that includes Levin and Limbaugh and Palin, because they’ve bought into teh narrative.
And the GOP is right to fear guilt by association, because guilt by association is what happens when you act guilty —like when you throw a guy under the bus because he opened his mouth inopportunately.
Akin has as good a chance of winning as anybody they’d replace him with. So I frankly don’t see the need to replace him in the first place.
And if they really wanted to be pragmatic, they’d offer him more than token support. Just to make it easier to recruit the next
suckercandidate.Irony tastes like shit? Who knew?
The sheer incoherency of that is a thing to behold.
– Now there’s something you might want to ask any Republican.
– Meanwhile the ironies simply won’t stop. A Jew, Isaac, threatens the convention. Poetic Justice?
Darleen, I’m disappointed. Go back and read my first two comments and tell me what part of the GOP adopting the left’s narrative wins votes.
This dispensed with, what part of Jeff’s summary of Akin’s first statement cannot be seen as Akin’s low level error of coherence rather than the stake-burning amorality — ASSAULT ON WOMEN! — it’s been ginned up to be.
Lastly, how does any of this justify itself when it costs an anti-Obamacare vote? How does any of this from the right and in light of the two points above justify itself when it costs an anti-Obamacare vote?
So, no logical cause to adopt the GOP’s position and no logical cause to burn Akin. After that, what’s left?
GOP’s message to Missouri voters :
” The guy who just won OUR primary and voted 97% conservative is suddenly icky and has shown that he is too stupid and unfit to be a senator and we all condemn him and order/demand/beg that he step down before he ruins our chances of winning a senate majority. If he doesn’t step we condemn his selfishness and will not support him financially or otherwise and may run another candidate against him. And if we lose the seat it will be his fault. Not ours. Because he should step down. Because he can’t win. By not stepping aside he is helping Claire McCaskill who is obviously way smarter and more capable than him and who he has no chance of defeating because he is so dumb and unready to be a senator. Thus we need to tell him and everyone that we cannot support Congresman Akin. ”
And we should blame Akin for the fallout from this? Really? After all that condemnation of him. Good lord.
What did it even accomplish? It made things WORSE.
JHoward the idiocy was Akin.
And then yet greater idiocy was performed by a chorus of Malkin, Hannity, Coulter, Rove, Krauthammer, pretty much EVERYBODY at Fox news, now Rush, Levin, etc.
Fifty-seven States. Constitutional law professor. “Clinging to guns and religion.” The post-bombing shout-out to “Dr. Joe Medicine Crow — that Congressional Medal of Honor winner.” “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon”.
“They want to chain y’all.”
Ad infinitum.
Cloward Piven.
But let’s fisk the guy clumsily kicking sand in the left’s gears because he’s interfering with the joint narrative.
You keep saying that EBL.
Don’t forget RSM too:
UPDATE: To extend the argument, my point is that Akin didn’t just make a stupid remark, he was too stupid to understand what was so stupid about it. And yet 36% of Missouri GOP primary voters thought, “Hey, let’s make this stupid guy our Senate nominee.”
We can’t blame the other 64% of primary voters for Akin, but once he’s shown himself to be hopelessly stupid, how can anyone claim that conservatives are now obligated to line up behind Akin and support him 100%? Yet I go onto Twitter and see people making this argument, that it is somehow disloyal — an act of cannibalism — to demand that Akin step down. Because I guess that’s how conservatives prove that they are superior, by their courageous defense of stupidity.
UPDATE II: Rebecca Kiessling is an attorney who is pro-life and was herself conceived as a result of rape. So I think we have to say she’s got complete moral authority here:
“If you are 100% pro-life with no rape exceptions, there is no need to question the veracity of a rape victims’ account, because you are against all abortions. It would not matter if a woman was not or not raped,” she continued. . . .
“Rape exceptions in the law actually put the government in the position of having to ascertain when the child was conceived, who the father is, whether the child was conceived during the alleged rape or during intercourse with her husband or boyfriend, and if the child was conceived during the time frame of the alleged rape, then the government would need to determine whether the sexual intercourse was consensual or not,” she explained. “So rape exceptions serve to perpetuate the injustice against rape victims that their accounts are to be viewed with skepticism, and it further leaves the majority of impregnated rape victims wholly unprotected under the law. Rape exceptions suggest that a ‘real rape victim’ couldn’t possibly love ‘the rapist’s baby’ and that rape victim mothers don’t exist.”
We need more smart people like Rebecca Keissling speaking for the conservative cause, and fewer stupid Republicans like Todd Akin.
I do not want to forget the link: http://theothermccain.com/2012/08/21/the-politics-of-dumb/
Again and again you keep saying that, EBL. Mindlessly.
– Whatever Akin did or didn’t say, did or didn’t mean, did or didn’t understand, all of that has long since been burried by the idiocy of the entire right establishment. The Left gave you a head fake and you took it hook, line, amd sinker.
Bullshit, both from RSM and Keissling. She is certainly no fucking moral authority because of her own conception and with a little thought surely RSM knows it. We don’t have to say anything of the sort.
The law already puts “the government” in the position of ascertaining paternity as a routine measure in child support cases. Pursuant that, paternity is routinely falsely attributed in the interest of milking child support — no presumption of innocence exists. As for “wholly unprotected”, how exactly?
More from Keissling:
Double standard much?
The overarching point, if I can call it one, is that tighty righty pols are mocked for saying what real people believe as a matter of fact and course.
A function we can rely on the right to carry out.
A function we can rely on the right to carry out.
– IMHO its even more basic than that. The right can, and often does, get sucked into arguing/debating using groumd rules set up by the Left which are antipathetic to the fundemental belief systems on the right, which is intentional and premeditated.
– Akin, as with most lay people, almost always fall for this ploy. To wit:
– Whatever you believe about abprtion, it may be entirely faith based, and therefore indefemsibly without logic, and thats ok. It doesn’t need to be ‘logic’ based.
– But conservatives always seem to feel the ‘need’ to defend using science and logic, and there in lays the mistake the Left continually takres advantage of.
– Beyond the initial statements where it might have made sense to mildly question the man, the Left played this the same way they always do, and the Righteous Right fell right in line, for all the wrong reasons.
” Because I guess that’s how conservatives prove that they are superior, by their courageous defense of stupidity.”
What embodies stupidity more than self importantly whining about how important it is to win the senate while simultaneously repetitively publicly attempting to destroy the reputation of the guy who won the primary and is going to run for it? Are the republicans winning or maintaining anyones respect by doing this? How does this make an effective or desirable response to a candidate saying something stupid or unpopular? Why would I EVER want to trust or support a party that does this time and time again, every time thinking that THIS time it will turn out for the best ?
How is this NOT self destructive? How is this a path to winning anything? How is this proportional or appropriate or reasonable? How is it beneficial to anyone but the democrats? How is it NOT an act of political cannibalism?
This mass rejection IS a project of stupid republicans. Or at the least it is the reflex of naive, deluded, easily frightened, and myopic republicans. It will win no honor, no ingratiation, no credibility. It best serves the enemy. Why should Democrats use up their own ammo when the GOP will take care of it while they are just finding their range in the hopes of a shadow of a kudo?
“We can’t blame the other 64% of primary voters for Akin, but once he’s shown himself to be hopelessly stupid, how can anyone claim that conservatives are now obligated to line up behind Akin and support him 100%”
Obligated to support him 100% ? No.
But again, what purpose does mass condemning, and excommunicating him (especially since you can’t force him out) serve?
The so called voices, advisors, and advocates of the party have now shown themselves collectively to be AS hopelessly careless and stupid ( if not more) so than Akin.
They took a big ugly story and instead of making it smaller, made it a gargantuan story that keeps growing and growing and makes all parties look bad, venal, and generally incompetent.
I just wonder how much worse they can make this before they figure it out.
Why should Democrats use up their own ammo when…
I’m pretty sure it was Dem money that put him over the top in the primary. Obviously they were hoping for something like this and possibly had infiltrated his campaign and were prodding him towards the cliff…
…its what I would have done in McCaskill’s sorry ass losing position. Its a sad fact, but treachery works very well against rubes.
But again, what purpose does mass condemning, and excommunicating him (especially since you can’t force him out) serve?
– It maintains the “Holy grail” of the Rights impeccable position in the most PC (and vacuous misguided way, but thats not the important thing) purist way, just as long as no one can say THEY would stoop to such a thing.
– So there you go. Sometimes you get the feeling if the Righteous Right didn’t exist the Left would need to invent them.
– A good analogy might be found in the acute understanding that the Governors of Salem had in the baser drives of human nature among their flock and go from there.
– The Left simply knows how to push the Rights buttons, and do it with alacrity. Plus they buy another few days of giving Jug ears cover from having to actually, you know, campaign in any meaningful way, so Win win!.
From RSM in comments at EBL’s link:
Why?
Why?!
WHY?
Because it is so, apparently.
What I find hilarious here is that Jeff is defending someone that essentially said “She can’t get pregnant unless she wanted it, at least a little.”
That’s the way his statement sounds. That’s how it reads. Go ahead, and ask someone that’s NOT a linguist what the hell they think he meant by what he said.
Yeah, the establishment jumped on him, because the dems are great at tying this kind of shit to every single republican or conservative in existence. You bet they (the republicans) tried to limit their opponent’s ability to do that. Plus, you know, the position Akin takes with regards to rape and abortion (while moral) is one not held by the great majority of people. I know that doesn’t make his position wrong, but he could have kept his mouth closed until he was elected, right?
“…but he could have kept his mouth closed until he was elected, right?”
– Right. But to tell you the truth, somehow I’m more concerned that the Wonce is getting the opportunity to keep his mouth shut as a result of all of this faux moral smoke blowing.
What I find hilarious is that characterization. Well, that and the circular but yet bald-faced assertion in the quote in the comment immediately above yours.
My knowledge of those statistics derives from my having bothered to find them before expounding on them, because I’d rather not look like an idiot for having my facts wrong. And I’m not even running for the Senate.
Right. Because if you think Akin is an inept, likely-to-lose politician, you must love the RINO and not care about America. That follows logically.
Jesus.
OT, but related to a recent post.
Looks like your instincts were right, Jeff–the Israelis didn’t approve the movement of armor into the Sinai:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/world/middleeast/israel-asks-egypt-to-remove-tanks-from-sinai.html?_r=2
Reuters–Reuters!–somehow got it wrong.
but once he’s shown himself to be hopelessly stupid, how can anyone claim that conservatives are now obligated to line up behind Akin and support him 100%?
I’ll do it!
Here’s what you say: “He’s a moron and what he said was indefensible, but he’s our indefensible moron and we’re keeping him. We like how he votes. We don’t care what he thinks.”
Where’s the downside?
because the dems are great at tying this kind of shit to every single republican or conservative in existence.
So they get the heckler’s veto, then. Their bad behavior determines how we act? We can’t push back? We can’t tell them to step off?
YOU WOULDN’T GET BEATEN IF YOU JUST HAD DINNER READY ON TIME!
Man, our side is whipped. So whipped we can’t even feel the lash fall anymore. So whipped we don’t realize that we outnumber those who do the whipping.
If we wanted to, we could stop the Left’s “tying this kind of shit to every single republican” in a few short news cycles, but we’re too whipped to do even that.
Cripes, we deserve to lose.
if you think Akin is an inept, likely-to-lose politician, you must love the RINO and not care about America. That follows logically.
At what point did he become likely to lose? When he opened his mouth, or when the dogpile began?
What Akin said doesn’t come close to pissing me off as much as the lies and bullshit coming out of the White House.
I’m becoming a relativist.
Biden’s in Detroit to collect money today.
I’m sure he’ll bellow some stupid stuff, but at least two of the events are closed to the public.
oh sh*t on a brick, Ernst, Akin is too stupid to examine his own fucking position beyond a lame appeal to [risible] authority on why abortion exceptions to rape don’t have to be allowed and I’m the one that’s at fault by finding it problematic and, frankly, insulting?
He’s been a congress critter for a while. He’s not some newbie first time candidate. How come he can’t explain his pro-life views? There is a wide gap between canned, filibustering remarks and incoherency.
When the hell did my comments on his position, with absolutely no position on whether he should stay or go, suddenly become a bad faith argument?
Car
Uncle Joe is already back to name-calling. He’s calling Republicans ‘squealing pigs’ … ironic since the whole Obama admin has been the embodiment of Orwell’s Animal Farm
RSM is all over that.
But it’s really cool that we’re going to drain the swamp of idiocy in Washington.
THEY ALL MUST GO.
That’s the rallying cry, right?
Uncle Joe is already back to name-calling. He’s calling Republicans ‘squealing pigs’ … ironic since the whole Obama admin has been the embodiment of Orwell’s Animal Farm
Yea … yawn … AKIN !!!!
My first impulse was correct, imho, with this. FYNQ to anyone who asks about him.
He’s not dropping out. Drop the subject. Don’t give them fire.
This has given Obama cover for 24 hours. That’s enough.
When the hell did my comments on his position, with absolutely no position on whether he should stay or go, suddenly become a bad faith argument?
I’m just wondering why we’re litigating the facts or lack thereof of what he said.
It’s irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is the battered-wife syndrome of the GOP. Instead of waiting for the drunken abuser to get home, we’re grinding out cigarettes on our own forearms and punching ourselves where the bruises won’t show and walking into doors to so that we won’t have to lie to the neighbors about the shiner.
So now Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, and Sean Hannity are the RINO establishment I see.
Todd Akin is about one thing right now: advancing the career of Todd Akin. Levin is dead on: we don’t owe the selfish little prick anything. He had an opportunity to do right, but his insular little circle gave him an “attaboy” and so he stuck it out.
Oh, and thank you so much Mike Huckabee. I guess he’s happy because for the first time ever more than about ten people listened to his radio show. Meanwhile, the modern day Elmer Gantry is one of the reasons we’re stuck with this nitwit as the nominee. Next time voters have to choose between someone endorsed by Palin and someone endorsed by Huckaphoney, maybe they will choose more wisely.
And this whole “battered wife” argument is complete bull. It’s the people who mindlessly back this fuckwad that have possible cost us a Senate seat.
How’s that work? Go on; spill. Last I was told he lost the seat because jackasses like you said he had. Before the fact.
Sarah Palin is a RINO too, she’s calling for Sarah Steelman to run 3rd party
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/21/palin_suggests_third_party_candidate_to_stop_akin_in_missouri.html
My first impulse was correct, imho, with this. FYNQ to anyone who asks about him.
He’s not dropping out. Drop the subject. Don’t give them fire.
hear, hear
You’re an evil blogger lady too, Darleen?
It’s the people who mindlessly back this fuckwad that have possible cost us a Senate seat.
– Or just maybe its the people that won’t shut the fuck up and let it go already.
When he opened his mouth and then did it again and then the dogpile and then again and again and again. If he had any political sense he’d be changing the subject, counter-attacking and doing anything else he can to put it behind him. Instead, he’s mewling in the corner and telling us how righteous he is. Really, you do the mea culpa and then move on to Carin’s formulation: FYNQ. He’s decided to stew in his oppression instead.
I really wish he were better at politics than he is.
What the fuck is wrong with you JH? When the hell did I become some traitor for giving MY OWN opinion of Akin without ever once getting into the political optics?
Yes. But if you squint, tilt your head sideways and smack yourself in the head with a ball-peen hammer, his argument makes good sense. Which must be why he’s completely abandoned it.
Because shut up, RINO!
Steelman can’t run 3rd party. Sore Loser law.
Smart conservative people know better than to run for office.
Because it’s the Stupid Party they’re stuck with
I’m not going to pull my hair over some Republican running for Senate being stupid, when –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBOnGeTZsTo
She’s been in Senate since 2001. And NO ONE predicts her GOP challenger has a chance.
Missouri voters will decide that. It doesn’t look good for him.
*I want to see Obama and the Marxists defeated so badly. But to replace them with the Rove-Bushies? *
Uh yes. Despite your distain for “the Establishment” NOTHING is worse than Obama and the marxists. Nothing. NOTHING. Fuck purity, lets win this one and then reform the party while having a bigger say in the country, as opposed to letting President Kardashian spend us into bankruptcy, while simultaneously transforming our country into something perverse. The Tea Party has now had sufficient time to infiltrate much of the Republican mechanism at local and state levels (in record time, I think) and assuming the Tea Party types don’t burn out and remain in government, sticking to their principles, the party has a good chance of being reformed. Unfortunately, it won’t be reformed as quick as you apparently think it should be reformed- these things takes time. Your position reminds me of blacks who think things should just magically change because they want it to and think it should change, as opposed to trying to change hearts and minds AND understanding that changing hearts and minds, REALLY changing them, takes time and patience.
Because that someone NOT a linguist, he just knows better than Akin himself what Akin really meant.
Keep your head down and your mouth shut.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
your little words too
Car
CA’s Babs Boxer is as stupid and a box of hammers but she’s still in. Feinstein is determined to die in office and doesn’t even acknowledge the GOP challenger Elizabeth Emken except having her surrogates sneer at her in public.
Fuck Akin & MO. I’m contributing time and a few $ I can scrape together to go tilt at the Feinstein windmill with Emken
Your rage has never impressed me, Darleen. Like paulzummo and RSM himself, I remain unconvinced by righteous indignation — BECAUSE: FOOL! — as a lever to throw a useful office-holder out of the race because he’s deemed suddenly useless when seen through a lens held by lying American collectivists.
Curse all you want, but I just don’t bite on proof by indignation.
As for what I said, it was similar: Proofs by acclaim are no less unconvincing. EBL’s been foisting them on us relentlessly.
Ernst
as Jeff has said, and I support, is that we, as interpreters, can only tease out intent via context.
I think that’s what I’ve done with my opinion. You can disagree with me, but for pity’s sake, can you stop telling me I’m doing it in bad faith?
as a lever to throw a useful office-holder out of the race
oooo…. pragmatism!
and it ain’t rage, JH, it’s sheer frustration when I specifically have not taken ANY position on Akin’s run or don’t run.
Ironic, isn’t it, that you are rewriting MY words and MY intent.
Levin is dead on: we don’t owe the selfish little prick anything.
He’s been producing the right votes at the right time. So yes, yes we do.
He had an opportunity to do right,
So did the punditocracy. He tried to fix things; they didn’t.
But thanks for jumping in after 500 comments in 3 threads and making our point.
Only if being wrong on the bigger picture in this one instance is sufficient for entry therein.
I doubt that they avow you as quickly as they disavow you, however.
I really wish he were better at politics than he is.
I wish WE were better at politics than we are.
The punditocracy could have helped pull his bacon out of the fire while he was bumbling along and making at total ass of himself.
But no, he’s got to go, because he embarrassed us in front of our fancy friends.
Standards, you know.
So now Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, and Sean Hannity are the RINO establishment I see.
And Hugh Hewitt, don’t forget him.
This isn’t about the RINO establishment, though they’re involved. It’s about how the GOP rank-and-file are still convinced that they’re helpless against the invective of the Left.
Push for the preference cascade, people! DO IT DO IT DO IT!
Todd Akin excepted of course, because we ain’t getting any of that shit on us!
Obamamarxicrats spending us into bankruptcy and perverting the country is one thing, BUT THIS….
Isn’t accusing me of accusing you of bad faith itself a form of baid faith? [grin]
I don’t believe I have accused you of bad faith Darleen. I haven’t said anything about your motives in reacting to Akin the way you have.
I should have addressed this earlier, however, I guess.
The “we” who threw Akin under the bus is “us,” “our” side.
Wrong. I fail to see why any of you think you have legitimate cause to destroy the guy. In a nation saturated with gender opportunism, I happen to find “legitimate rape” a perfectly useful terminology. I also happen to find a misled notion about conception during stress rather, if you’ll excuse my indignation, FUCKING FORGIVABLE.
Pragmatism? He’s useful and he’s done nothing to deserve what the right has served him.
– Are we bickering because “we” discovered that not every GOP candidate is Solomon-like in his opinions and idea’s, or are “we” pissed off because the Left has/had us dancing on a rubber rope once again?
– “We” report, you decide.”
But thanks for jumping in after 500 comments in 3 threads and making our point.
Ahh, the “you made my point” line of argumentation, often employed when the person being argued with has, in fact, not actually made your point for you. But it’s a cute rhetorical ploy, so I’ll give you that.
– Or just maybe its the people that won’t shut the fuck up and let it go already.
Yes, because if all of us decided not to mention it, the story would have been totally swept under the rug by leftists and the media establishment (but I repeat myself). It’s all of us damn dirty RINOs who are to blame for Akin going from likely winner to likely loser.
– I will take that as a “yes”.
Ah. Paul was whom Di was responding too.
“We,” may not owe Akin anything. But I think his peers do. Certainly he was owed the courtesy of a private talking to before the Auto da fé began in earnest.
Yes. Because instead of pushing back, the RINO dominated establishment piled on like two Bene Gesserits predicting the future and then conspiring to make it true.
– What I find simply gobsmacking remarkable is the GOP talking heads brain trust in it’s entirety is on this idiots front lawn with pitchforks and torches, rope in hand, because the stupid blackard dared to utter some blasphemous nonsense about abortion and rape and rape induced pregnancy and rape induced pregnanvy abortion, on the very same day the Republican national commitee was meeting to draft a platform that states that NO abortion, including rape induced pregnacy abortions, will be TOLERATED.
– Maybe they’re just really really angry at him for actually, you know, saying it out loud, In Public!
Did I say that somewhere? I’ll have to check.
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Nope. I didn’t. But they are now catching the wave the establishment started. It’s what they do. Because we must win.
Which the establishment knows. WHich is why we have Romney. Because what are you gonna do, vote for Obama? Not vote? Ha — that’s a vote for Obama!
Checkmate!
No. Fuck that and fuck them.
And once you’ve spoken on a subject, and your words frozen in digitized or print amber, you are no longer allowed to expand, clarify, or any such thing!
It’s true. That clip that I heard is what you meant forever. Because, well, me!
…Is what I find hilarious.
Then I guess I’m going to vote for Obama.
Buckling to the establishment does not equal being part of it.
So Jesus, right back atcha.
Certainly he was owed the courtesy of a private talking to before the Auto da fé began in earnest.
Yeah, if nothing else, it’s not very pragmatic to demand a man end his candidacy if you can’t ensure he’ll end his candidacy.
If you’re going to kill the king, you’d better kill the king.
In a nation saturated with gender opportunism, I happen to find “legitimate rape” a perfectly useful terminology. I also happen to find a misled notion about conception during stress rather, if you’ll excuse my indignation, FUCKING FORGIVABLE.
I just felt a HUGE clang in my head.
I completely agree with JHow.
I need to lay down for a bit.
I love it when you, you know, make my point for me.
– Yes, I do indeed know what my first question would be at Romney’s next presser, were I a campaign reporter:
– “Yesterday you roundly denounced a member of your own party for his views on abortion and recomended he step down from running for the Senate. Does that mean you also disagree strongly with your own parties platform?”
Of course, Carin, which is to say, wait for it
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…that Akin has more on the ball than all the pragmatists and leftists calling him an idiot. Now doesn’t it? “Legitimate rape”, while cumbersome to some, alludes rather efficiently to the sea of illegitimate claims made against men by women.
And that in progressive America, where the presumption of innocence now has to run a gauntlet erected by Duke University and led by certain prosecutors.
Akin’s other remark doesn’t ring too brightly — which in an act of Stockholm Syndromed self-immolation he’s spotlighted himself by apologizing for — but even there none of this rises to the level of leave the legislature you fucking idiot.
“I just felt a HUGE clang in my head.”
Those can be fun.
“Ahh, the “you made my point” line of argumentation, often employed when the person being argued with has, in fact, not actually made your point for you. But it’s a cute rhetorical ploy, so I’ll give you that.”
Sure. Because once you’ve sneered abut something no one else will be persuaded by it. That’s how valid defenses are constructed.