— Which is, of course, in no way remarkable or even intellectually interesting, given the combatants. So instead, just watch it for the entertainment value of Maddow and Maher having the knowing leftist smug knocked off their posturing little faces.
The left desperately wants to ironize this whole thing away — Maher and Maddow strain so hard minimize and deflect that it’s shocking neither of them pinched off a log right there on set — and frankly, they’ll find some support for their position on the timorous right from those who will declare it a bit kooky to suggest that at least one of the ideological motives animating Fast and Furious is anything so nefarious as hoping to shape domestic gun control policy.
But most of us, we’re not going to be shamed. Not this time.
We know what’s going on because we know who these people are. Always have, in fact. And had more people listened to our concerns instead of rushing to accommodate the articulate, world-healing pragmatist with the perfect trouser crease, we might not today be living in such a blatantly post-constitutional country, with a thin-skinned despot and a bunch of movement leftist czars attempting a soft coup right under our “historic!”/ racist noses.
I notice that Madcow tries to make the James O’Keefe sting about Planned Parenthood
not ACORN which ended up with Congress defunding the organization.
IMHO, that was no mistake on her part.
I went back yesterday to watch a couple of the archived C-Span tapings of the House Government Oversight Committee hearings touching on Fast and Furious of last year. (Just because I felt like making myself sick to my stomach, y’see.)
The first (June 15, 2011) I saw was very interesting in light of the latest news driving events on the contempt of Congress votes. The hearing, while occasioned by the even then looming standoff over Fast and Furious, was specific to the wide oversight powers of Congress and the procedures available to Congress to enforce those powers (invitation to testify, subpoena to testify, contempt for failure to testify, court case to enforce contempt).
The witnesses were uniformly experts on the laws and cases dealing with these powers, the history of their implementation, the alterations and modifications of the doctrine over time and so on. Most if not all of these men work or worked in the Congressional Research Service, and a few served as counsels to Congressional Committees involved in investigations like Watergate, Iran-Contra, the Bush DA firings etc. Not a one of them seemed to me to have any partisan ax to grind, but were there to inform and shed light on the murkier aspects of the law.
If you’ve got an hour and a half or so to spare, it’s well worth the time to listen.
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My apologies, that was a misdirected link up there. The correct link, I hope, is here.
So that didn’t work, but does at least contain the correct link: look on the right hand side for a link labeled “House Govt. Oversight Hearing (Mon.)”.
OSHA targets shooting range
– Issa isn’t backing down or letting up.
Guys and Gals,
I wanted to submit my Sunday pm experience today to get some opinions on what you think it portends: (the previous is what’s loosely called a sentence fragment)
As some of you may or may not know, I live in a north central county of Ohio, rural and conservative and white. I am in a house on an acreage set off the gravel road. A 25 y.o. kid pulls up in his VW and he’s with OFA wearing the Obama button and everything!
I says “Do you know where you are?” He says, he says, “Yeah, I grew up around here and I’m just going around to the people and getting some feedback on how people are feeling about the country. Because (Dustin Hoffman Tootsie pause) there’s a divide in America. There’s a disconnect. People need to get together.”
“OK son, hold it right there. There’s no disconnect where you’re standing right here. I knew who Obama was when he was running for president, and I was right. ”
“Yeah, I know, but we’re here now. How do we get together blah blah blah blah.” etc. etc.
* end scene
I think he had a list of registered Republicans. He had NO answers for all my PW inspired FACTS. He could not refute anything about Obama, the EPA, 99 weeks of UE. 8.2% UE when it’s really more like 14%. He had to agree with everything.
What are they trying to accomplish? First guess? A brutal killing in the Heartland.
It never ceases to amaze me how lefties NEVER see (or at least admit to) their guy doing bad.
On the right, we (generally speaking) want to know the truth, and if our guy did something wrong, we throw them out on their ear. Lefties on the other hand, will invariably run a whole triathlon of mental gymnastics to deny, distract, and cover up the most heinous of offenses.
I wonder if, alone in the night, they ever question their own decency, and struggle with doubt and shame. Living with such hypocrisy can’t be good for a persons mental health.
Hell, just watching it makes me crazy…
“Living with such hypocrisy can’t be good for a persons mental health. “
– You are assuming theres evidence of any existing mental health among the true believers to begin with, which, right there, you’d be on thin ice. I’ve always accepted the simple idea that you have to be suffering from some deep seated, unreconsiable personal conflict that drives them to such idiotic asocial and destructive nonsense, something that makes them feel totally alianated from society and therefore all in for “teh stupid”.
– That is just a feeling, I can’t really know, but one thing I lnnow. If they weren’t such a danger to themselves and others I really wouldn’t give a fuck what they think.
Someone should tell Madcow how “conspiracy theories” get started.
Well, screwed the pooch on that. Link.
“….banning the sale of high-powered weapons.”
– Note to Eugene (CC to Madcow): Who needs sales when the DoJ is giving them away to the Cartels for free.
The political left has been reduced to throwing sand in the face of the investigation: it’s all they’ve got — it’s all they’ve had for over a year (which is part of the reason they’re so skilled at it by this point: lots of practice can improve almost any such skill).
And so long as the public doesn’t bother to notice that throwing sand is all the left is doing, and punish it as wrong, they’re going to keep right on doing it. From the left’s point of view, throwing sand is working, so why stop?
Do they realize which side of it they’re on? That one of them is supposed to be the Agent Terry of this op?
“Do they realize which side of it they’re on?”
I don’t think they have the capacity. They’ve been trained for a very long time now to simply avoid thinking, trained carefully of so long a time they’ve forgotten how, if they ever knew.
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the timorous right speaks
Was Fast and Furious intended to promote gun control?
Yes. Next question?
In the beginning there was the “camp“, and the “camp” was full of stories and faith in the power of stories to change the way the world works.
And when the “stories” are lies, this is the way their world crumbles.
Alongside stories are the ‘self-help’ handbooks proffered about as guides, like Rules for Radicals. No need to think: just follow the instructions.
There’s that logocentrism again.
2+2=5 if you just believe hard enough.
Kinda sounds like I imagine an Amway meeting goes (I only read geoffb’s comment, I didn’t watch the video).
Just before the cut in on this, Maher says “Republicans don’t care about 200 dead Mexicans.” Those are the words that come out of his mouth. But with the look on his face and the context he says it in, he’s clearly saying “Nobody cares about 200 dead Mexicans, especially me.”
Yes, scumbag, it’s that obvious.
If not, then what was it intended to do, and how was that goal to be achieved?
Thousands of weapons were walked. What was the result?
“What are they trying to accomplish?”
Humint, my man!
Probing for weaknesses. After your contact I’m betting not much probama advertising will run on your local channels.
Maybe you should consider doing a little counter-info ops;)
U.S. federal agents murdered, along with 200 Mexicans, innocent and otherwise. Or to put it another way when you’re dealing with wannabe revolutionaries: proof of concept.
OT, my wife and I are essentially spending our weekend watching our 17-year-old cancer-patient cat breathe. When diagnosed the vet gave him a few weeks to live. He’s held out that many months and more, but since Thursday he’s gone from being able to jump onto the bed and across the gap between sofa and loveseat, to having to lie down and rest after taking ten steps. This morning it was fifteen.
Chris is a bit more critter-oriented than I am, but I’ve known this cat 16 years so it’s hitting me a little bit too.
Also, he’s the only other male in our household. Three other cats and a dog, all female.
poor wazzle
it isn’t all it seems at seventeen
What’s an OCDETF you might ask.
Sorry about the long quotes again but go and read this whole thing. Fast & Furious was implemented with the approval and assistance of the entire spectrum of Federal law enforcement and decisions on it came down right from the top of the DOJ at a level of at least Deputy Attorney General.
And if MEGO hasn’t taken you over go here.
Especially when it works out to something like 78 in cat years.
Nice find on the Powerline squish-fest, sdferr. Mirengoff seems oblivious to the temperature of the water he’s immersed in. Likely he’ll taste like chicken?
Everyone who understands the physics of the Fast & Furious coverup knows that it can’t possibly work.
The one near certain flaw in the Obama Admin. and Bureaucrat Alliance’s [hereafter OABA] attempt to hide the truth of goin’s on at DoJ, BATFE etc. is the moment their power is lost to be seized by political appointees empowered to look at the documentation they’re now hiding. S’gonna be interesting.
““….banning the sale of high-powered weapons.””
Okay, so no more deer rifles. Just varmint guns and pistols from now on?
I supposed they’ll want to ban fully automatic inorganic nuclear atomic unstable muon bazooka high explosive x-ray laser machine shotguns next.
is this the week “hope and change””crashes and burns”?
‘is this the week “hope and change” crashes and burns?’
This has been the month that hope and change evaporated into the nothingness it always promised. Quite a month on the whole.
Sorry about your cat, McGehee. We lost our 20+year old Miss Kitty a few months ago. She gave it the old college try, but sometimes it’s time to go home.
Poor Mirengoff, it’s almost as if he’s forgotten how Washington works. It’s not the crime that takes you down, it’s the coverup. It doesn’t matter who conceived F & F, it doesn’t really matter who approved it, at this point it doesn’t matter whether the intent of the program was to catch drug king pins or to create a reason to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban, it doesn’t matter if there was no crime committed.
What matters is that Holder and Obama lied to Congress to cover up their involvement. No matter what their motives, even if it was just an attempt to save face, that attempt to coverup is what’s going to bite them in the ass.
Quite a month on the whole.
this last week maybe the bestest
I’ve four favored pets buried out back, two dogs and two cats. And, the happiness of a new puppy that chanced it’s way into our lives just last month. Cycles &c.
Sorry about your cat McGegee. I lost Freya about seven years ago. It was a bit before Christmas. I came home and it was too quiet, and I looked under the bed and there she was with her eyes open. We buried her out by the gate she entered our yard from as a stray kitten. Since then a mama cat showed up to share her kittens with us and went from being feral to loving friends though they much prefer lie outside. We try to lock them up on the porch after10:30pm. Another cat came along 3 years ago and lives the hybrid life of six hours in side, seven or eight in the garage and the rest of the time in the front yard. But I still miss Freya and old Grendel who died before her.
“this last week maybe the bestest”
Perhaps some celebratory music is in order?
The newer cats have less personal names like Mama Cat, Uno(aka Friendly Cat), Dos(AKA Reluctant Cat) and the front yard and inside cat we call Mau.
W.H.: Ex-staffer can’t be questioned on Fast and Furious
oh my
It’s a very simple question. Who authorize [sic] Fast and Furious? We don’t have an answer yet.” It’s a tweet not from a frustrated Fox News regular or a noted critic of the President, but from Univisión’s premiere journalist, Jorge Ramos. His simple question highlights a shift that Ramos has been leading the way on: a subtle but increasingly visible willingness in Latin American media to challenge the Obama administration. With the Latino vote potentially more important than in any previous election, having the Latino press against him could prove critical for President Obama.
link
Isn’t O’Reilly the guy Newell wrote an e-mail to divulging stuff about Fart and Fartious saying: “You didn’t get this from me.” and who was subsequently shipped off to a post in Iraq to keep him from testifying before the Committee?
Elijah Cummings was on Fox News Sunday this morning as a rebuttal to Darryl Issa. Cummings all but admitted that Fast and Furious was about gun control measures in the US. Granted, it was a rather glancing admission in which he referenced his nephew who had been “slaughtered” last summer. No details other than it was a gun crime and that we (the US) need to do something about the availability of firearms.
Naturally, Chris Wallace was either asleep at the switch and didn’t challenge him on this or he agrees with Cummings’ position and wasn’t going to redirect the conversation to the topic which was the Fast and Furious investigation and the contempt vote on Eric Holder going to the full house this week. Cummings even referred to Holder being held in contempt as “a tragedy” and wasn’t called on that remark, either.
WTF Fox News? Can we get another host on FNS who isn’t son of Mike Wallace? I miss Brit Hume. At least Brit was on the panel and bitch-slapped Kierstin Power for calling the contempt charge “partisan.”
it was a rather glancing admission in which he referenced his nephew who had been “slaughtered” last summer. No details other than it was a gun crime and that we (the US) need to do something about the availability of firearms.
black on black
“Christopher saw him coming in, ran down the steps, pushed him out the door. Before the guy got completely out of the door, he pulled a gun on my son but Christopher was able to force him all the way out. They believe it’s a possibility this is the same person who came back for revenge,” said James Cummings, Christopher’s father…..
“The police are kind of tight-lipped,” Cummings said. “They don’t want to release so much information because they think it might interfere with their investigation.”
“Everybody loved Christopher,” his father said. “He was a great kid.”
Representative Cummings has seen the impact of violent crime in his own inner-city Baltimore district.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/06/13/congressman-elijah-cummings-nephew-killed-at-college/
OK, Rep Cummings. Now assume the gun your nephew was killed with was given to him by the Federal government. Proceed.
could have been a white hispanic though
Proceed.
it is bush’s fault.
I’m now an NRA member. Though they spelled my name wrong on the card. Wife and oldest son joined, too.
We’re taking our second pistol class next weekend. Last weekend I went to a gun show in Loveland and held a bunch of different 45 ACPs and 9mm. I like the 45 ACP better, but I’d probably consider a 9mm for CC. I didn’t see any HKs there, but of the 45 ACPs I played with I liked a Kimber, a pro edition Colt, and that new Taurus 24/7 that I referenced on here before — which sits at a really nice price point.
My wife found that several 9mm fit her hand as well as any 22, so she’s looking in that direction (she liked a Walther and a Kahr).
Best thing about going to the show? I found out that there’s a store about 1 minute from my house — or 5, if I want to walk. Score!
Sweet!
Every time I see Maddow all can think is could this woman be any more of a cliche?
I can’t come up with anything.
(I checked the price tag on that Kimber. That’s pricey.)
I’ve given it some thought now and I think you should spend that money on a Browning X-Bolt, Jeff. It would take some thought but there’s gotta be a way to conceal it.
– Maddow is like Warren, except in her case she’s not an authentic human being.
McGehee, my 13-year-old cat Winston died last year after battling cancer for a few months. I checked with the vet to make sure he was in no pain, and then just feed him a little extra liver to keep his strength up. He was pretty lethargic for the last few weeks, but he would crawl into my lap and purr for hours and would fling himself at his foodbowl, even when he didn’t have the strength to walk much or jump up on my bed or chair. I learned a lot about loving life in seeing the way he died. He was a very good cat.
“If not, then what was it intended to do, and how was that goal to be achieved?
Thousands of weapons were walked. What was the result?”
The questions that should be asked are: who, exactly, walked the guns and who, exactly, received the guns. That is, which cartel was the beneficiary of said munificence. A business that produces hundreds of billions of dollars a year, with much of the drugs shipped to the center of the country, ( CHICAGO), for re-distribution to the rest of the U.S. and no one asks who directly benfited from the the gunwalking. Why?
I talked to a member of the Orlando SWAT team about handguns. He recommends the Sig 9mm if you’re going the 9mm route. Apparently the Sig has only a trigger safety; the gun won’t fire unless the trigger is pulled, even if it’s cocked. But no other safeties. Advantage is it’s ready to fire at all times. He likes the Glock 9mm ok, but the Sig is what they carry unless they can qualify .357. Something to think about; I think I’d like to get more comfortable shooting the Sig and then decide.
I also asked him whether SWAT responds to more illegal or legal firearms crimes, and he said legal. They do about 200 armed responses a year, and apparently SWAT really comes into play when dealing with heavily armed AND skilled people, and most of those apparently got their weapons legally.
Quite true, Gulermo. But my question is what was the expected benefit to law enforcement interests and how was it to be achieved? How was this supposed to work according to the design?
We have agents on the record stating that their attempts to track and interdict the weapons were blocked. So if that wasn’t what was supposed to happen, what was supposed to happen? Someone needs to answer that.
“Apparently the Sig has only a trigger safety; the gun won’t fire unless the trigger is pulled, even if it’s cocked.”
The problem with the trigger safety is that in the event that a shooting is in question, the trigger safety can be used as evidence of criminal intent; in that the pistol did not acidentally fire. I have also been told they require a slightly higher trigger pull pressure.
“We have agents on the record stating that their attempts to track and interdict the weapons were blocked. So if that wasn’t what was supposed to happen, what was supposed to happen?” Care to speculate? Were the weapons indescriminately sold or were they sold and permitted to walk to specific individuals” The later if IRC.
You might ask you local DEA agent for his opinion.
IIRC they were “stearing” buyer to sellers, or at least allowing certain individuals to buy and walk.
Sorry about the typos.
Chris and I took Taz in this morning and the vet concurred with our conclusion. Taz was no longer ambulatory, had been refusing food for a few days, and started refusing water yesterday — but he still managed to purr while being held, and gave every sign of being alert right up until the doctor gave him the initial sedative.
There was a particular kind of toy our cats all liked but that had been a particular favorite of his, that we haven’t been able to find in recent years. We’re going to try again to find some now to give to the other cats, as a kind of memoriam.
Now if only SCOTUS had seen fit to put ObamaCare to sleep today. It has to be in worse shape than Taz was.
Do not watch this interview.
Just don’t.
Jeff, glad to see you’ve been following up on your plans, including training before buying. There’s a lot out there from which to choose. Until O decides that NIC checks are a law he won’t enforce and forbids them from taking place.
On a somewhat more serious note, whatever the Colorado process is on getting your concealed carry permit, get it started as soon as possible. I’ve heard that some Colorado sheriffs are dragging their feet, so you want to start the clock running as soon as you can.
Problem is, RI Red, that we may be moving to a new state soon, and it’s a non-reciprocating state. The good news is, it is a CCW state to which we’ll be moving (if we do), and from what I understand, it’s actually not terribly difficult in most areas of the state to get the requisite permitting.
My advice is to get it started in CO anyway. If you move, so be it. In the meantime, attend a Utah CCW course; it gives you lots of reciprocity. (Utah is my next step). I put off RI for years, then kicked myself in the ass and got it 4 months later. NH was a simple payment and application. I again put off Mass because of the administrative hurdles. I again kicked myself in the ass and got it 5 months later.
I now feel relaxed traveling in my normal three states. But lately, I’ve noticed I feel very uncomforable traveling unarmed elsewhere. Once you admit to yourself that evil exists everywhere you go and you can indeed help your odds, it’s almost sacrilege to be unarmed. That’s why UT is next on my list(some 34 states recognize it).
If you’d asked me twenty years ago, I’d have said it was paranoid to be armed at all times. I’m over that pre-conditioning. At this point, my life and that of my family’s is paramount.
So, I have to be in Chicago in two weeks. What better place to carry, but I can’t.