Amazing how a braying mob, political intimidation, and the word “racism” being thrown around, makes the evidence for guilt so much more compelling and convincing.
This isn’t the country we’ve been taught to believe it is. Hell, maybe it never was.
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Another virgin for the volcano.
THIS time it will be satisfied. It HAS to be!
Perhaps it is exactly like some people have been saying.”Now it’s Whitey’s turn in the barrel.”
NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE! or rest for the weary, it would seem.
Megyn Kelly says manslaughter will be charged or second degree murder if there was evidence of intent.
And now we know why a Grand Jury was “not necessary”…
I sure hope she can prevail at trial, because her “probable cause” threshold for an arrest is lots lower than what she’ll have there.
But now Al and Jesse can safely fundraise again, so, y’know, “WINNING!”
Somewhere in front of a computer, Rich Lowry is thinking to himself, “wow, we really dodged a bullet on this Martin thing… although I probably shouldn’t use that metaphor in print.”
They could just open the jail and let the people string him up.
It would be more honest than the charade they’re engaged in now.
They don’t know where he is. He beat it over the weekend. So, now he’s a fugitive from JUSTICE!!
Does this mean we get to riot? I mean, is it Whites and Hispanics that get to riot, or just White Hispanics? Man, I hope it’s the former…
OT: the purge at National Review continues…
I would say this country has gone right down the shitter, but I’m starting the think Jeff’s supposition might be right, and we’re already there. This country may have never been what we thought it was.
In that case, they can just send a posse out to lynch him directly. It’s a lot more fun for those involved.
Just as they have in every case that the Holder DOJ has been a party to since Jan. 2009.
I’m a little miffed right now, in case y’all didn’t notice.
If Zimmerman’s story keeps holding up what does that mean?
That’s the old way.
Arrest, set high bail, release to general population, wait a day or two, problem goes away.
Let’s keep in mind that we still don’t know what all the evidence is. Zimmerman’s documented injuries are going to be difficult to overcome, though, and there doesn’t seem to be anyone to rebut his claims.
Zimmerman is probably in Peru by now.
Arrest, set high bail, release to general population, wait a day or two, problem goes away.
I had that same thought, geoffb.
“What does lynch-mobocracy look like?”
“This is what lynch-mobocracy looks like!”
Let’s keep in mind that we still don’t know what all the evidence is.
I just hope that the evidence that comes to light will provide a good basis for Zimmerman’s suits against those who’ve defamed and railroaded him.
There appears to be nothing so deadly as coming to national attention, no matter the circumstances, unless you are already rich and connected. Sometimes not even then. This site alone has posted numerous stories of brutal attacks and murders which have a not received even 1% of the attention the Zimmerman story has.
Lesson: your life is meaningless to the media mob unless it serves a political end.
NR purged Robert Weissberg, from Phi Beta Cons, for delivering an address at an American Renaissance conference, wherein he discussed the possibility of creating “Whiteopias.”
From the Amren website’s own recap of the conference:
Anyone want to call this one unambiguously racist? An open-and-shut case of the Klansies?
Linky
Let’s keep in mind that we still don’t know what all the evidence is.
The authorities and the media will do their best to make sure things stay that way.
News at 6:00 pm.
I’m sensing better results should the prosecutor move her presser to 8:00 pm. Think of the reality tv shows we could spin off!
TRIAL OF THE WEEK on NBC at 8!
HANGING OF THE WEEK on ABC at 9!
Think of the reality tv shows we could spin off!
Dirty Lynch Jobs
Dancing With The Stare Decisis
The Great Race Hustle
and finally
Sanford And Sonofabitch Gonna Hang
Bread and circuses.
This week on Burn Notice, we give notice to our enemies that we’re going to burn this mutha down!
Brought to you by SquidCo(tm) brand torches!
At least we wouldn’t have to put up with any more seasons of “Survivor.”
heh
No, this isn’t the country we thought it was. No, this isn’t ‘America’ anymore, and hasn’t been for quite some time.
The only difference now, under the accelerated efforts of this administration, is that they are not even paying lip service to it or making any real effort to keep up appearances any longer.
Not me. Sounds like a discussion of why different Indian tribes each have their own reservation, or the existence of Curves health clubs.
or the existence of Curves health clubs.
Okay, now that’s funny.
That Weissberg. Well yes, of course.
NRO should probably rid themselves of Steyn right now, as a prophylactic move.
Steyn should have taken my advice and absented himself from the race-whipped NR.
Anyone want to call this one unambiguously racist? An open-and-shut case of the Klansies?
Yeah, I think that pretty well fits it. Using the state to zone out “undesireables” for intentionally racialist ends pretty much is the definition.
Zimmerman is probably in Peru by now.
Does he have close family there? I’ve read his mom is Peruvian, but that doesn’t mean first generation.
You had best take that up with the many gated communities in the USA, Dale.
I don’t have a problem with gated communities. To each his own.
But let’s not kid ourselves–he’s a white nationalist advocating the use of the state for white nationalist ends. I’m not sure what I’m missing here.
That aside, there’s that little matter of it not working, because large houses and classical music each have some cross-cultural appeal.
The entrance requirement for gated communities is usually a significant amount of money. However, in Amerikkka, I guess that’s racist.
As far as Zimmeran “fleeing” goes, if a bunch of people are looking to kill you, you either need to be somewhere else or set up a perimeter of barbed wire and gun towers. As it turns out, being elsewhere is a lot cheaper.
People with significant amounts of bank tend to congregate in the same neighborhoods and send their kids to the same schools.
The color of freedom is green, my friend.
KEATON:
Like I said. It was all your mistake.
Charge me with this shit and I’ll beat it.
A FIST flies into the frame and connects with Keaton’s jaw.
His head snaps back, blood flowing freely from his mouth.
(I’m beginning to think Kaiser Soze is a real skinny black dude. Dy-no-mite!)
Mediaite seems to approve of the purge. Good NRO, getting rid of the racists. Good for them.
The problem for George is even though his story is holding up, he has Holder and Co ready to pounce and nail him on federal charges (with no double jeopardy). So his life is going to be endless criminal litigation for a while.
If a basis for the decision is Zimmerman’s justified action in leaving the jurisdiction, then this is farcical.
Joories?
We don’ need no steekin’ joories!
The color of freedom is green, my friend.
Enviro-green?
The other problem for George is once he is charged any acquital will mean Rodney King all over again, so he has no fucking chance of a fair trial.
No justice? No peace! Well, forget about that peace part. And the justice part, too.
Hang the Latino!
Enviro-green?
Nah. The gelt. S/he who has the gelt, makes the rules.
OT, di: pics of your garden yet? We have baby squirrels, but no baby ducks yet.
How does that line go, bh? “First we shoot him! Then we kill him! Then we hang him!”
Strange that no one from the Hispanic community is complaining about a “rush to injustice”.
Towards Weissberg, he seems to be using the same definition of acting white as the people fucking up the black community.
I live in a neighborhood that has many of the characteristics of a so-called “Whitotopia”. Strangely enough, it’s a veritable rainbow of people “acting white”. Recently we elected a guy with a suspicious name of Pheng to the school board so that he could fight against the dirty white liberals. Perhaps we were confused by his conservative rhetoric.
Under the laws of Florida, New York, or any other Anglo-American jurisdiction, you lie, Irony Man. And you should be thrown from office for it.
“Whitopias”, I guess. That’s a new one for me.
No place white, eh?
I think this deserves a posthumous guest post from noted author Shirley Jackson.
If anyone here has ever been to Orange County, CA it has become increasingly more Asian in the last 20-30 years. It is also relatively crime-free, well-to-do and pristinely kept. Those Vietnamese are acting white, by golly, even if a lot of people refer to it as “Little Saigon”, especially Garden Grove.
My aunt and uncle still live there, so they must be the tokens that give it the Whitopia. Or something.
“Plain and simple, this is just trying to give people a license to murder,”
So if we outlaw the right to defend oneself we can drop the trying?
Hey hey, ho ho,
William F. Buckley
Has Got to go!
Hey hey, tee-hee
The man to do it is
Rich Lowry!
You are not going to solve today’s problem with yesterday’s rhetoric. Sowell, July 1998.
And around we go!
Leigh just described my house
pics of your garden yet?
Got these from my own yard, and then on April 1 I went to Temple Square and got these amazing things.
Given that it’s Florida and high profile, they’ll probably overcharge the guy, then proceed to hopelessly confuse the jury tryinig to prove he’s guilty of all of it and he’ll walk.
If Zimmerman is acquitted, which is what I expect, we’re in for a long hot summer.
I’m pretty sure an acquittal is in the script Blake…
“. . . we’re in for a long hot summer.”
Supposedly, that’s been in the works since long before Zimmerman ever acted. He just gets to be the part-Peruvian icing on the cake.
I would certainly contribute to Zimm’s defense fund.
I’d also like to wet my beak on the NBC lawsuit.
Yeah, add me to the ” summer of riots” list.
Of course, the riots were already happening previous summers so it feels like a fairly safe prediction.
Leigh just described my house
Heh. I forgot about you and your asian wife and mil.
I’m pretty sure an acquittal is in the script
That all depends on what he’s charged with, doesn’t it?
I heard that his lawyers
fired himremoved themselves in part because against their advice, he met with the prosecutor. Now if he’s talking to the prosecutor, my guess is something he told them gave them enough that they didn’t need to go to a grand jury.LBasc, well, I’m hoping it’s not an “outcome based trial.”
What really appalls me, though, is the thought that all of the upcoming crap will either be condoned or coordinated by the White House.
Even worse, the White House won’t even have to have “plausible deniability” because the press will not investigate.
recreate ’68™
Why we lost; more vintage Sowell, also ’98:
This is probably neither here nor there but if Sowell went to the U of C because of Stigler, who drew Obama there?
Yeah, that’s off topic but it’s a thing I wonder about once in awhile.
I heard that his lawyers fired him removed themselves in part because against their advice, he met with the prosecutor.
They said that in the snippets of the press conference I heard. Not a physical meeting, but he spoke with her against their advice. Which was good advice, not so by the way.
What struck me as odd was the fact they considered being out of contact for a day and a half as grounds for ending their representation. Unless he promised to be in daily contact, that seems weird. Or unless his mental state is such that being out of contact is a bad sign.
I’m taking bets that Mr. Zimmerman is in the protective custody of “Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey”.
Ernst – I don’t think Zimmerman gave anything to the prosecutor while “talking” to her – she said she refused to communicate with him directly because he was represented by counsel at the time. He may have said something to someone else that came to her attention, but I’m not sure whether the timing works for such a scenario, as I understand that the communications are all fairly recent.
Maybe she just found a lesser charge – e.g., one based on the use of inappropriate force – that she thinks she can justify on the known evidence.
I’m not so sure about an acquittal. No official can stand up and talk about ‘rule of law’, nation of laws’, or any other such notion anymore and be taken seriously by any serious people.
There’s ‘mob law’, ‘special interest law’, and so on. The black panthers can put out bounties, demand race riots to kill whitey, and attempt to influence election results at the polls, all with impunity.
Meanwhile , the attorney general of the United States of America spends the day at a rally with race hater supreme Al Sharpton singing his praises while quoting MLK.
NBC and other such entities? Nothing will happen to them. Does anyone seriously believe that in such an atmosphere that this system will allow anything to happen to their propagandists and enablers in the media?
Zimmerman, indeed anyone in such dire circumstances, would be a suicidal fool to look to such a system for ‘justice’.
Welcome to Bosnia x 1000 2012; the opening act in the death of America.
“The more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat.”
Guy’s apparently in the wind, as they say on “Law and Order”. Don’t blame him a bit, what with the “wanted, dead or alive” posters and such.
What’s even worse is that the howling mob along with a good portion of the left wing nattering class see nothing wrong with this lynch mob mentality.
Leigh: better “Little Saigon” then “Rancho Cambodia” like we have around here. Charlie lives.
And any way, shouldn’t it be “Little Ho Chi Minh City” now?
Allegedly will be a 2nd degree murder charge, and he is also allegedly in custody.
http://tinyurl.com/82lymbp
Uh, seems Sowell has been having a conversation on race for awhile now.
link.
LBascom; Sowell is magnificent. Also VDH.
And I miss Milton Friedman.
It seems to me the only way they can prove second degree murder is if they can first prove he’s the one initiated the physical confrontation.
But then, not only am I not a lawyer, but I’ve never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express even!
link
Uh, seems Sowell has been having a conversation on race for awhile now.
Not only that, he and Shelby Steele and Clarence Thomas and Walter Williams and others like them have been saying this kinda thing for decades.
And they’ve been using the very measured speech, calm reasoning, pleasing entreaties—laced with personal anecdotes and data and MINUS the taint of racism—that people were insisting that Derb should have used in his article.
So. How’s that been working for us so far?
I’d never call for everyone to start using the N-word or loose their inner Klansman, but it would appear that the polite tack needs to change to something a bit more forceful and firm.
Yeah. I don’t know what it is either.
2nd degree murder, huh? I don’t know how you prove that given the available facts and the decision by the original prosecutor not to press charges.
And that AP stoy newrouter linked is a piece of work.
From newrouter’s link:
Good grief.
I thought they would be “smart” and go with manslaughter out of the blocks. 2nd degree murder is nuts if there is evidence of physical attack.
Maybe its not the whole US that lacks a scrote. Maybe it’s just Florida. Maybe. Bet your life?
Recreate 68? The Democrats lost in 68, in large part due to voter backlash against the riots and violence.
Zimmerman is going to jail.
If they have to change the venue to Harlem, Zimmerman is going to jail.
From that piece.
Stand Your Ground just got real.
A fool once got all road ragey and ran a certain commenter off the road and attempted to break into his car with him inside. He stood his ground in the car, after which point fool went nuts — fifteen feet away — at the sight of a guy who “pulled a gun” on him.
Some people don’t give a shit and some of them may just well be in positions of authority.
Ernst Schreiber says April 11, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Given that it’s Florida and high profile, they’ll probably overcharge the guy, then proceed to hopelessly confuse the jury tryinig to prove he’s guilty of all of it and he’ll walk.
Do you have any suggestions for Mega Millions and Powerball numbers?
I was more offended by the stalker-ish impression of what it was Zimmerman was doing, myself.
Just guessing, but this could intimate the end of Gov. Scott’s political career.
Correction: From Lee’s link.
Only half right. No lesser included or multiple charges.
But they overcharged him.
Ernst, no lesser or multiples, then it is all or nothing. In a weird way, this may work in Zimmerman’s favor (but only if he gets a fair trial). Otherwise, he is just another White Hispanic serving a life sentence.
And if he is not in protective custody, that would be a pretty short life in a Florida penal institution.
NGL: I am actually in tears of frustration at how wrong this is.
It could also be my dad claiming that clearly Zimmerman is in THE WRONG because the video when he was brought into the police station showed him with no blood on his face, and YouTube is clearly the source of All Truth on the internet.
fml.
By the way, is that Special Prosecutor Ms. Corey part-Peruvian by chance?
I dunno, maybe this is Florida’s idea of a mercy arrangement and they figure if they”Jesus whip” him in public (5 years suspended + probation + fine + lots of civil actions + PSA for gun safety and anti-vigilante messaging ) the crowd will get off his back and they can all breathe again. Then they can tell the NBPP to piss off or they’ll see how hard they are against SWAT teams and get locked up themselves for terroristic threats.
Maybe they’ll overcharge him and delay the trial until people have calmed down or else offer him a plea on a lesser charge that looks like justice in the short term.
I’m not placing much faith in the decency of the DA though.
I think I’ve stumbled upon the script:
This part of the script will be ignored, I suspect:
Here is the statute:
The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0782/Sections/0782.04.html
I bet Pam Bondi pressured the shit out of the special prosecutor hoochie.
She has a bright future in a Romney administration I think.
Pam’s special friend Greta must be wetting herself at the promised bonanza.
This is going to get interesting. From everything I’ve read they have no evidence to contradict his assertion of self defense. Despite all the nonsense the Media have been dredging up there’s plenty of room for reasonable doubt. Acquittal should be a slam dunk.
But.. How would you like to be the jurist who voted to acquit knowing that your home address could be tweeted to the wide world and you could have an angry mob in your front yard? How would you like to be one of the defense attorneys if you win an accquittal? How would you like to be the judge if Zimmerman is accquitted? Hell, how would you like to be the prosecutor of he’s accquitted? Or on the police riot squad?
Unless something comes out in court that makes him appear unquestionably guilty — and if any such existed I think it would have been headline news for days now — Zimmerman ought to be accquitted. But there’s enormous pressure on everyone involved to find him guilty. There’s nothing less than the integrity of our legal system on trial here. And we’re all going to get to watch.
“There’s nothing less than the integrity of our legal system on trial here. And we’re all going to get to watch.”
Excellent and interesting point Swen, particularly in the light of Obama and Holder’s early contention that this was the very reason they wished to bring KSM and others to public trial in NYC, to vindicate the superiority of US criminal justice.
Now it’s tantamount to “Burn it! Burn it all!”
Relax.
This is just part of the build-up to even more “civil” disobedience this spring/summer.
There’s nothing less than the integrity of barak hussein obama’s
our legal system on trial here.html fail
As far as “his lawyers”. From a piece by Allan Dershowitz. My bolding.
link
It’s too bad Zimmerman talked to the authorities more than he had to. If he said the wrong thing he could have put himself in a world of hurt.
Kids, when the authorities start asking questions, zip it. Make them prove everything.
Once again, Florida’s Self Defense Laws.
It’s sure reassuring to know that the special prosecutor charged with making an impartial decision on whether to prosecute met and prayed with the “victim’s” parents, and was in repeated contact with their lawyers.
If fly-over America is as racist and backward as smug leftists and their rhetorical enablers on the right claim it is, a “long hot summer” when a lot of white men are unemployed, feeling kind of helpless, and VERY angry about virtually EVERYTHING seems like a REALLY idiotic idea.
Given the nature of this fluster fuck, Zimmerman maybe should forget an attorney, and hire a PR firm to get this out there…
a “long hot summer”… seems like a REALLY idiotic idea.
Not if your goal is to “cross the Red Sea,” as the Black Panthers recently said in their conference call, which, they hastened to clarify, meant “blood in the streets.”
They want as much violence and unrest as they can possibly gin up, the more white folks involved the better. Because then POTUS will have NO OTHER CHOICE than to clamp down and who knows—suspend the elections?
Judging how nervous he seems about re-election. Which is to say, not at all.
They want as much violence and unrest as they can possibly gin up
“restoring love” is not just a porn site
Not if your goal is to “cross the Red Sea,” as the Black Panthers recently said in their conference call, which, they hastened to clarify, meant “blood in the streets.”
Somehow I don’t think they are anticipating their own casualties making up 30+ % of the blood.
You riot when there is almost no chance of a counter riot. Otherwise you get fucked up really bad and you riot no more.
Time to get a 12 gauge I think. Yup.
…suspend the elections?
In a pig’s eye. They want riots? I say: Bring it, bitches.
Don’t get a Saiga 20. I hear they jam really bad. Go for a pump action.
And you probably can’t get a KSG since they are all over priced and wait listed right now.
Every lefty special interest group will try to find some part of this they can claim as vindication of their positions and a reason for their own goals to be realized. The Brady Center is all over this and the Florida Democratic Party will be too.
The sharks think they smell blood in the water.
I wanted the KSG. They cost way too much right now.
I’ll probably go for something cheap in a pump-action. There’s something about racking in a round that gives people pause. Plus, I won’t need to get a permit to buy it.
You riot when there is almost no chance of a counter riot.
These people want a counter-riot so bad they can taste it. Don’t underestimate the extent to which the powers that be have their backs (or have pledged to).
They’ve been working up to this for decades. This is not 1968: 40 years of counterculture propaganda in the schools and in entertainment have eroded the intellectual case for fighting back against militant race warriors.
The general U.S. population is NOT up for full-out street warfare, not willing to wreck their own stuff, not when Certain Official Parties will provide a more conventional-looking Law and Order solution, for a small price, of course.
We put up with the TSA. Damned straight well put up with a little crack-down for the sake of further “safety.”
In a pig’s eye. They want riots? I say: Bring it, bitches.
The country is sufficiently softened up that it WILL tolerate a suspension as long as it looks like it won’t be suspended for long. The sporadic riots will further justify the crackdowns.
We can scream and holler all we want at Extreme Measures, but they won’t listen.
They won’t have to. They’ve been setting up the infrastructure for this longer than we’ve been alive.
you probably can’t get a KSG since they are all over priced and wait listed right now.
Eight months, last I heard.
I really wish Kel-Tec was in the business of manufacturing firearms rather than marketing nifty designs.
They are as close to vaporware as machined steel can be.
Damn, if the behavior of the alleged “conservatives” over the Derb affair hasn’t convinced you that in a race war, there will be no real opposition, principled or otherwise, I don’t know what will.
We here at pw are too small a minority and too spread out to make the Oministration change its mind about anything.
Hello? Pack up the ark and get your folks aboard. Rain’s comin’ and a really good umbrella won’t do you any good at all.
Frankly, unless Corey has something that directly contradicts Zimmerman’s description of the events – something that brings the whole story into doubt I fail to see how she can sustain this charge.
I have to wonder if additional ‘witnesses’ have materialized since all the media hoopla?
I also wonder how the judge is going to respond when present with the prima facie elements required for a murder charge.
There have been rumors of an additional tape, though what sort of tape — video or sound — hasn’t been specified. Time will tell, so far as that goes.
On theory is they are over charging Zimmerman hoping he pleas out. We will see.
I am glad emotions are starting to come down on this matter….
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/250102/8/New-Black-Panther-Party-chief-of-staff-apologizes
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/call-off-the-race-baiters-george-zimmerman-passed-lie-detector-test-immediately-after-shooting/
Police gave Zimmerman a lie detector test after the shooting and he passed?
Clearly he must be an evil genius sociopath!
A couple of looks by lawyers at the presser by the Special Prosecutor.
At Legal Insurrection.
At Ace.
I get the Nifong feeling already.
zimmerman should seek a change of venue to alaska
or better yet a indian reservation. let a 1000’s victimhoods flourish.
If Corey decided not to charge, she would have been the target of “outrage.” If a jury acquits, they will be the targets. Was it ever realistic to think she wouldn’t pass the buck?
Was anybody really counting on them anyway? The thing about mob violence is, it’s self-organizing. REMF “leaders” are for handing out blame and credit after the blood has been washed into the storm drains.
I get the Nifong feeling already.
Same here. This is going to be like the Casey Anthony trial; wall-to-wall coverage with Nancy Grace’s angry snarling face giving the case a pet name. Shemp Smith keeps refering to Martin as “the dead child”. I hope the judge closes the court to cameras and issues a gag order.
Of course, I also wish I had a winning Powerball ticket.
FTFY.
Anyway, you can’t have it.
That’s harsh, McGehee. I’ll just claim you stole it from me.
Not in Florida. Expect the entire trial to be televised, due to their very strong sunshine laws. Corey must have something we don’t know about to charge 2nd degree unless she’s planning to lose.
I often wonder why the radical left and the race baiters don’t just declare, outright, and be done with it, but I suppose there are other sorts of designs.
All I can say is that, though they have largely sissified and silenced the American people, they have NOT sufficiently done so, that they have the absolute power they seek… yet
The solution will be long, as was the creation of the problem, and maybe the public mention of the solution would be counterproductive. Preparation seems logical to me, though, and I’m glad we live in the sticks. Just my 3 cents.
Was anybody really counting on them anyway? The thing about mob violence is, it’s self-organizing. REMF “leaders” are for handing out blame and credit after the blood has been washed into the storm drains.
Yeah, Lowry wouldn’t be the guy I expect to show up on the line when the SHTF. Goldberg either.
The folks I expect to see there? My neighbors, co-workers. The folks I see in the grocery store, at the fast-food places, at the range, at the parks.
“Slow to anger” doesn’t mean neutered.
Corey must have something we don’t know about to charge 2nd degree unless she’s planning to lose.
She knows she prayed with St. Trayvon(tm) of the Skittle’s parents, and they gave her a free “Justice for Trayvon(tm)” drink coozy. She knows that the Martin family have lost their poor innocent toddler, who just last week was tweeting about weeding the community garden and letting loose some neighborhood dogs.
Well, there was something about weed and bitches, anyway.
What are the “depraved mind” elements of Zimmerman’s act available in the facts known to the public today? Are there any that are clear, distinct and non-tendentious? For my own part I can’t see them.
“Whitopias”, I guess. That’s a new one for me.
geoffb says April 11, 2012 at 2:42 pm
No place white, eh?
yes that is a poor selection. but i would say is that this misnomer “whitopia” is more a desire to continue on with the anglo-saxon tradition. rule of law, no man a sovereign, property rights, et al.
What are the “depraved mind” elements of Zimmerman’s act
skittles envy
I’m told, but can’t swear, that “depraved mind” in FL is equivalent to willful indifference in other jurisdictions. As far as I recall, that’s the first I’ve heard the term.
What we know happened would seem to overcome that, and would seem to be an affirmative defense that might preclude the case ever going to a jury, or possibly even to a trial. So, what does Corey know that changes that?
So, what does Corey know that changes that?
That she’s scared to death of the lynch mob, and desperate to throw them some meat.
“So, what does Corey know that changes that?”
Ye echo my unspoken thoughts Pablo, but there’s naught we can reason about things utterly unknown. Which is why I adverted to delve better into the stuff we do know to see if there’s anything there to be put to [honest] use by the prosc.
Crawford, none of that means shit to the case. As for the praying, Corey is notoriously and unabashedly Christian and praying with a grieving family is par for the course. If she sees this as murder, then the family are victims and she is their advocate. That’s as it should be. The question now is why she sees it that way, and we ought not make assumptions as to why that is. Let the system work.
Pardon the repetition. Posted this in the now-dead ‘EPA’ thread, before noting that all the cool folks had moved over here. Watch the vid, it’s funny and awesome. Possibly fawesome. I think you’ll enjoy it — assuming you enjoy funny things.
And, as it involves an Angry White Non-Hispanic Guy shooting, well, lots of unarmed people, it’s somewhat apropos.
Agreed, sdferr. And we won’t likely know until there’s a trial. Certainly we’ll revisit when Nancy Grace starts screeching. What we do know is that whatever evidence there is, Corey has all of it, unfiltered and we don’t.
But, but… she said that her office doesn’t bow to political pressure!
If it were that simple, she would have charged manslaughter. Murder 2 is going to be a tough row to hoe and if she loses the case, who do you suppose the mob is going to turn on?
What we do know is that whatever evidence there is, Corey has all of it, unfiltered and we don’t.
at this point maybe
I heard Van Susteren imply that prosc’s overcharge in full knowledge they can’t meet the higher standard but with a willingness to move backward as events unfold. At least, that was my takeaway, though I may have misunderstood or ove-read Van S.’s intention. I know nothing of prosc.’s behaviors in this regard, having had no dealings with such persons in my life.
However…
who do you suppose the mob is going to turn on?
white peeps? see baltimore or toledo.
That has a smell. Are they so used to plea bargains that they think that justice and the law is a yard sale?
r Dr. Charles Ogletree said “I want to see the first white victim of the stand your ground by a black defendant and see if it works.”
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“That has a smell. ”
Could be, but so long as it doesn’t smell like Peruvian empanadas I thinks maybe she’s on solid prosecutorial ground.
Are they so used to plea bargains that they think that justice and the law is a yard sale?
zim ain’t doing no plea i think. not if you looked at his web page.
Whitey.
Same as they would have if there were no charges. Difference is, this bitch is leading them on, telling them St. Trayvon(tm) was murdered.
Oh, yeah. I don’t see that here, though. Would you plead to manslaughter when you’ve got an irrefutable affirmative defense? Hell no. “Fuck you, let’s go to trial.” But generally, they like to scare you with the possibilities so that you’ll avoid them and still produce a win for them, via plea bargain. It works a lot, especially when people start calculating what a trial is going to cost versus what their deal will cost in dollars.
If ever you’re charged, kids, insist on a jury of your peers. Left to its own devices, the system WILL screw you.
geoffb — there was another Florida self-defense case recently where a black guy shot two white thugs — from his truck.
If I were relatives of the people shot in previous cases ruled self defense, I’d be agitating for those cases to be reopened.
Pablo – If I recall correctly from listening to the audio of the presser, Corey said she met with Martin’s parents at the very beginning of her appointment. If she prayed with the parents at the outset because she already had decided Martin was a “victim” of “murder,” that’s a problem.
What evidence is there that praying with a family is “par for the course” for her?
Stupid t-shirt idea: “Danger: Unhelpful Cracker.”
Huh. How about that.
Would she have prayed with Zimmerman’s family if St. Trayvon(tm) had succeeded in spilling George’s brains across the sidewalk?
Dang! The Flyers win that game? Yipes.
” And, as it involves an Angry White Non-Hispanic Guy shooting, well, lots of unarmed people, it’s somewhat apropos.”
Sounds like “Falling Down” only wearing a set of big rubber tits,a rainbow wig, and a clown nose. More angry white penis-loser agitprop mixed in with comedy sugar so the sheep will eat it.
Devout Christian + grieving family = prayer time.
I could be wrong, but I don’t see where she’s anything but a very experienced prosecutor. A prosecutor’s job is to form an opinion and run with it, within ethical parameters. The jury’s job is to decide whether they’re right.
Any reason to believe she wouldn’t? It’s what they do.
I have discover that at least in Jacksonville there is a lot of praying and a lot of tattoos.
Pablo – So the “praying is par for the course” is a conclusion/assumption on your part.
And the link you provide reflects that in at least one other high profile case, she chose to charge in an very unusual and aggressive manner to try to induce a plea.
Sorry, I don’t share your faith in her.
here’s mr. Charles J. Ogletree page
http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/directory/index.html?id=49
email him stories he won’t hear on : npr, cbs, abc, nbc, or the other communist channels
90 Year Old Tulsa Woman Raped Then Murdered By Black Thug
i wasn’t saying that Z would plea bargain. I meant the part with the DA starting with a high charge and herself working her way down to a lower one as she finds she can’t prove the higher.
Like a yard sale where the longer something remains unsold the lower the price gets moved.
Any reason to believe she wouldn’t? It’s what they do.
I’ve never heard of a prosecutor holding a prayer meeting with anyone.
I’ve always figured the prosecutor represents the state, not the people they arbitrarily decide are the victims. You know, that whole “state vs. X” thing, and the whole depersonalization of justice thing.
I get the feeling her first concern was not being lynched, and her second concern was which family made the better photo op. Her third concern — if it was at all — was the law and the facts.
Geoffb – is FL a lesser included charges state? I thought it wasn’t.
Finale of Justified is EPIC
here is a link for to click and see
Yes, based on my experience with devout Christians. Rebut if you’d like.
I don’t have any particular faith in her. I just don’t see any obvious dirt, and I don’t know what she knows about this case, nor do you. I only see her record.
You should re-figure.
“He disarmed him”. I loved it JD.
This pillar, however, is built on a very unstable foundation. It is built on lies. It works only as long as people are willing to live within the lie.
I was a little surprised that you know who didn’t you know what.
/No spoilers here
As much as I recognize the obscene pressure on the state to bring charges here, it’s hard to not concede the basic premise that the state still knows more about the case than I do.
Going totally off of memory, and the Duke Lacrosse Team Incident was how many years ago? Anyways, I remember one of the law morons over at that *smaht* military blog —maybe the big Ewok chief himself, maybe just little Gabe, had a really good post on how it wasn’t the prosecutor’s job to form an opinion and run with it —not if that opinion was anything other than there’s no doubt in my mind that this person is guilty. Nor is it the prosecutor’s job to overcharge in order to secure a plea agreement There’s no justice in charging a man with second degree murder in order to improve your chances of getting him to plead to manslaughter; not when manslaughter is all you think he’s guilty of. That’s just trying to game the system.
Sorta like encouraging (wink wink nudge nudge) your defensive line to “take out” an opposing running back because you know he’s nursing an injured knee and they don’t have a throwing game. Everybody knows it happens sure. But maybe we should hate both the player and the game when it does. If we think it’s happening too much.
From the comments at neoneocon:
Please don’t spill justified. I don’t think i’ll be able to see it for a week of so.
Jacksonville, we’re tied for #1, after 11 years alone at the top.
BTW, isn’t your contention that there’s something nefarious about her praying with the family a conclusion/assumption on your part?
Lips now sealed cranky-d.
The greengrocer had to put the slogan in his window, therefore, not in the hope that someone might read it or be persuaded by it, but to contribute, along with thousands of other slogans, to the panorama that everyone is very much aware of. This panorama, of course, has a subliminal meaning as well: it reminds people where they are living and what is expected of them. It tells them what everyone else is doing, and indicates to them what they must do as well, if they don’t want to be excluded, to fall into isolation, alienate themselves from society, break the rules of the game, and risk the loss of their peace and tranquility and security.
I’m going fro memory here, but FL’s Stand Your Ground law has been invoked in something like 159 cases since it was passed. 13 (or was it 19?) have resulted in convictions. Let the system work.
That said, SYG doesn’t apply here. This one is good old fashioned self-defense.
The prosecutions has to have some evidence* that Zimmerman somehow started the altercation. You don’t get to claim self defense because your losing a fight you started.
*(or think they have something that a jury will accept as “evidence,” if we’re feeling all cynical and bitchy)
You should re-figure.
So the Florida legal system is set up not to prevent, but to support, private vendettas.
Interesting.
Oh, I missed this above, nr:
I think we’re all putting our finger on the same basic aspects of this “acting white” dealio but I have a problem beyond the -topia suffix. It is a great ethic but it really isn’t an Anglo-Saxon thing.
Confucius and Abraham weren’t Anglo-Saxon. They’d probably have been very considerate neighbors though.
Good question, JD. This guy says it is. Which I think means the jury would have options other than what’s been charged.
Which Florida law specifically says are immune to arrest and prosecution.
But Mother Corey doesn’t like that law, because it made her prayer partners all teary and unable to file a civil suit. So she ignored it, so St. Trayvon’s daddy can get the
cashjustice he so deserves.They’ll argue it isn’t self defense somehow. That is probably the only option they have.
I’d tell you that that’s an odd conclusion to draw, except that I’ve been a target of one of those and it was very expensive to beat. It ain’t just FL, and from what I gather, they’re better than most. Stay the fuck out of MA is what I’m saying.
Usually they announce what the lesser included charges are, don’t they?
From what I gather, they’ll have to clear that hurdle to get to trial, which leads me to believe they have something we don’t know about.
I thought so, Ernst.
I’d expect them in the jury instructions, Ernst. I dunno about announcing them otherwise. That would tend to lessen the value of a plea.
Do you suppose it’s the 13 yo eyeball witness who recanted his story about seeing Z getting a beatdown, Pablo? The one whose dog got loose when he was looking out the door?
I honestly don’t think they have anything we haven’t seen — if they did, there would have been more to press conference than creepy smiles and teary-eyed prayers. I think they’re all dodging their responsibilities, hoping the Beast turns its attention elsewhere before Zimmerman is cleared.
It won’t work. All they’ve done is given the Beast the idea that, hey, the Republican prosecutor thinks Zimmerman’s a cold-blooded lunatic murderer — so when the case doesn’t go the way the Beast wants, the anger will be all the stronger. Meanwhile, Zimmerman has to pay for a lawyer, find money for bail, and hope one of Holder’s New Black Panther Auxiliary Justice Squad doesn’t catch him. Oh, and hope for an acquittal.
They’re gambling with a man’s life to appease the Beast Mob. It won’t work. It never works.
And everyone will end up paying.
From what I gather, they’ll have to clear that hurdle to get to trial, which leads me to believe they have something we don’t know about.
Prayers.
And positive energy.
I don’t know if he’ll get bond, Rob. I heard some talking head say Z was a flight risk. Dude turned himself in. C’mon.
. It is a great ethic but it really isn’t an Anglo-Saxon thing.
the last 150 years it has been. please name another one?
” From what I gather, they’ll have to clear that hurdle to get to trial, which leads me to believe they have something we don’t know about.”
Perhaps what they have is a fear of three hundred pound uniformed men who have tonfas and who think that justice is a prize they might find secreted away somewhere inside your skull?
Of course he’s a flight risk. You know how flighty those white Hispanics who, apparently, have never lived in any other country can be.
Especially when there’s a price on his head and “brother” in prison could get a shitload of cred by knifing him in the shower.
From what I gather, the lesser charges are not included in the charge, but are available to the jury regardless. Thus, Murder 1 inherently includes Murder 2, Manslaughter, etc… I could be talking out my ass, though.
When the stakes are that high, I suppose it’s a tougher sell. But they get people to plead to lesser stuff they couldn’t possibly prove BRD all the time. Demand a jury, kids. Every time. Except when you’re completely busted.
That doesn’t work for me Crawford. If they don’t have anything and just wanted to dodge their responsibilities, the responsible way to have done that would to have been to take it to a grand jury and hide behind them for refusing to indict.
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No. They’re not going to, and probably can’t legally, dump evidence into a presser. Jury pool and all that. Watch the presser and you’ll see that she says right up front what she won’t discuss, and she sticks to it through several verboten questions.
Yup. In fact, I’m surprised she didn’t go that route. Which again, tells me she has something we don’t know about.
I don’t know, has it been an Anglo-Saxon thing? I’d characterize it as an Enlightenment/American thing in our parts since the 18th century.
I see your thrust there and I’m a bit of an anglophile myself but I don’t really see our self-evident truths or great ideas as being limited in that way. Or in any way really.
Dunno. But if it’s a witness, he’s going to have to be able to credibly withstand cross-examination.
I didn’t think lesser includeds were included, hence, Casey Anthony
Pablo – You first attempted to explain Corey’s praying with the parents as an expression of the the sympathy Corey would naturally feel for the family of the victim of a “murder.” When I pointed out that your rationalization strongly implied that she had prejudged the merits, you switched to a “she does it with everyone because she ‘s a Christian” defense. I simply asked if you had any information suggesting that Corey engages in such a practice – your response was an admission that you have no such evidence. If you didn’t think that it was reasonable for people to conclude from Corey’s conduct that she has a bias, you wouldn’t be trying so hard to rationalize it. You then invoked her “record ” – which includes a recent instance of calculated overcharging, according to the link you cite. To persist in claiming that there are no grounds for entertaining doubts about Corey is blind faith.
And I know several devout Christians who are or were prosecutors here in Florida – none pray or prayed with victims’ families before ar after making a charging decision.
Vaclav Havel’s not an Anglo-Saxon, is he?
She must have a hell of a lot to go for Murder 2. And I cannot believe anything that dramatic wouldn’t have leaked already — the moment the family’s lawyers got a whiff of something like that, they’d have been on MSNBC.
She’s playing for the crowd, not for justice.
No, I went with “Because she’s a prosecutor, and that’s what prosecutors do.” Praying is what Christians do, which also applies. If you don’t understand that prosecutors have already decided your guilt before they prosecute you, I don’t know what else to tell you.
I don’t have a problem with the prosecutor meeting with the family, or breaking bread with them or even praying.
It makes sense to build a rapport with the family, if only to break the bad news to them that their son got himself killed.
Frankly, I’d be more concerned about her ambitions and aspirations than about her being too close to the family to do her job impartially.
And you know this because you’ve asked them about it? Corey has a history of referencing her faith in her work. Praying doesn’t shock me at all. YMMV.
Gotta say that I’m in Crawford’s camp out of learned cynicism but Pablo is basically just cautioning us, isn’t he?
I don’t know everything about this case. It’s possible that a shoe drops somewhere, right?
I was talking with sdferr a few days ago about part of this that is never brought up and he said something that might be pertinent. I wrote this:
sdferr wrote back that he wondered if Trayvon had taken any pictures of things that night on his cell phone?
Yes. We cannot judge what we do not know, which is why we have trials. Let the system work.
And if you’re convinced that Zimmerman is getting railroaded, hit his tip jar. He’s gonna need it.
Interesting theory, geoff. I suppose we’ll see.
sdferr says April 11, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Vaclav Havel’s not an Anglo-Saxon, is he?
no but he knows what it is to live under commies. so there’s that.
Daily Caller’s been digging down on Zimmerman. Stuff’s ambiguous and/or unexplained for now.
George Zimmerman, the Hispanic Floridian who killed black teenager Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26, had a MySpace account whose username was “datniggytb,” The Daily Caller has learned.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/11/zimmermans-myspace-nickname-included-datniggy-family-insists-on-innocent-explanation/#ixzz1rnWKUOPo
what colours?
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Looks to me like the Daily Caller is now doing some “selective” editing/reporting of it’s own.
Somebody should anonymously tip the media off to the fact that Zimmerman once had/has/would like to have a dog named boy.
Yup.
The Daily Caller? Tucker Carlson? Did he ask for the ‘wombshifter’ POV again ?
Zimmerman might have very well considered himself “down”. Datniggytb might have been a proud, personal view of himself.
Lots of people his age do. Lots of people my age did ten years earlier.
Why was Solzhenitsyn driven out of his own country? Certainly not because he represented a unit of real power, that is, not because any of the regime’s representatives felt he might unseat them and take their place in government. Solzhenitsyn’s expulsion was something else: a desperate attempt to plug up the dreadful wellspring of truth, a truth which might cause incalculable transformaeions in social consciousness, which in turn might one day produce political debacles unpredictable in their consequences. And so the posttotalitarian system behaved in a characteristic way: it defended the integrity of the world of appearances in order to defend itself. For the crust presented by the life of lies is made of strange stuff. As long as it seals off hermetically the entire society, it appears to be made of stone. But the moment someone breaks through in one place, when one person cries out, “The emperor is naked!”-when a single person breaks the rules of the game, thus exposing it as a game-everything suddenly appears in another light and the whole crust seems then to be made of a tissue on the point of tearing and disintegrating uncontrollably.
When I speak of living within the truth, I naturally do not have in mind only products of conceptual thought, such as a protest or a letter written by a group of intellectuals. It can be any means by which a person or a group revolts against manipulation: anything fsom a letter by intellectuals to a workers’ strike, from a rock concert to a student demonstration, from refusing to vote in the farcical elections to making an open speech at some official congress, or even a hunger strike, for instance. If the suppression of the aims of life is a complex process, and if it is based on the multifaceted manipulation of all expressions of life, then, by the same token, every free expression of life indirectly threatens the posttotalitarian system politically, including forms of expression to which, in other social systems, no one would attribute any potential political significance, not to mention explosive power.
The Prague Spring is usually understood as a clash between two groups on the level of real power: those who wanted to maintain the system as it was and those who wanted to reform it. It is frequently forgotten, however, that this encounter was merely the final act and the inevitable consequence of a long drama originally played out chiefly in the theatre of the spirit and the conscience of society. And that somewhere at the beginning of this drama, there were individuals who were willing to live within the truth, even when things were at their worst. These people had no access to real power, nor did they aspire to it. The sphere in which they were living the truth was not necessarily even that of political thought. They could equally have been poets, painters, musicians, or simply ordinary citizens who were able to maintain their human dignity. Today it is naturally difficult to pinpoint when and through which hidden, winding channel a certain action or attitude influenced a given milieu, and to trace the virus of truth as it slowly spread through the tissue of the life of lies, gradually causing it to disintegrate. One thing, however, seems clear: the attempt at political reform was not the cause of’ society’s reawakening, but rather the fmal outcome of that reawakening.
I know every single line from Straight Outta Compton and Fear of a Black Planet. (And a few dozen others.) If there was a Facebook back in the 90s there’s a decent chance I’d have posted some confusing things as well.
Black culture is popular culture. Has been for awhile. Datniggytb doesn’t imply that he was a racist, it implies he lived in the modern era.
So what you’re saying bh, is that facebook can be like a virtual neck tattoo?
I’m gonna go with yes, Ernst, and award you with 100 internet points for making that connection.
And as hard to remove too.
Perhaps it is now appropriate to outline some of the reasons why “dissidents” themselves are not very happy to be referred to in this way. In the first place, the word is problematic from an etymological point of view. A “dissident,” we are told in our press, means something like “renegade” or “backslider.” But dissidents do not consider themselves renegades for the simple reason that they are not primarily denying or rejecting anything. On the contrary, they have tried to affirm their own human identity, and if they reject anything at all, then it is merely what was false and alienating in their lives, that aspect of living within a lie.
But that is not the most important thing. The term “dissident” frequently implies a special profession, as if, along with the more normal vocations, there were another special onegrumbling about the state of things. In fact, a “dissident” is simply a physicist, a sociologist, a worker, a poet, individuals who are doing what they feel they must and, consequently, who find themselves in open conflict with the regime.
As far as I know Zimmerman’s username stands for [Th]at ni[ce] [G][eor]g[e]y t[ug] b[oat], and there’s no reason to think different absent a statement from George himself.
Well my nick is palaeomerus so obviously I hate ancient fish or sea creatures or something. I think palaeomerus was some kind of thing similar to a eurypterid or sea scorpion but I’m not sure.
See, back in 1993, I bought a pentium computer and signed up for AOL and I wanted a nerdy nickname that would make me happy so I tried trilobite, eurypterid, crinoid, belemnite, ammonite, ichyosaur, glyptodont, iguanodon, smauglet, mosasaur, and elasmosaur and they were all taken and I didn’t want to have numbers after my nickname so I looked for something extra-obscure and palaeomerus seemed to work.
But seriously I hate cambrian sea life in general and primitive xiphosurans most of all. . I’m glad that they are dead.
If palaeomerus had been taken then next I was going to go with arthropleura which was an extinct six foot long millipede from the carboniferous.
What is this independent life of society? The spectrum of its expressions and activities is naturally very wide. It includes everything from self education and thinking about the world, through free creative activity and its communication to others, to the most varied free, civic attitudes, including instances of independent social self-organization. In short, it is an area in which living within the truth becomes articulate and materializes in a visible way.
Thus what will later be referred to as “citizens’ initiatives,” “dissident movements,” or even “oppositions,” emerge, like the proverbial one tenth of the iceberg visible above the water, from that area, from the independent life of society. In other words, just as the independent life of society develops out of livlng within the truth in the widest sense of the word, as the distinct, articulated expression of that life, so “dissent” gradually emerges from the independent life of society. Yet there is a marked difference: if the independent life of society, externally at least, can be understood as a higher form of living within the truth, it is far less certain that “dis sident” movements are necessarily a higher form of the independent life of society. They are simply one manifestation of it and, though they may be the most visible and, at first glance, the most political (and most clearly articulated) expression of it, they are far from necessarily being the most mature or even the most important, not only in the general social sense but even in terms of direct political influence. After all, “dissent” has been artificially removed from its place of birth by having been given a special name. In fact, however, it is not possible to think of it separated from the whole background out of which it develops, of which it is an integral part, and from which it draws all its vital strength. In any case, it follows from what has already been said about the peculiarities of the post-totalitarian system that what appears to be the most political of forces in a given moment, and what thinks of itself in such terms, need not necessarily in fact be such a force. The extent to which it is a real political force is due exclusively to its pre-political context.
palaeomerus says April 11, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Cheers, sir.
That’s still Havel, right?
Do me a solid and give a bit of linkage or context on these types of comments, nr. I recognize bits and pieces but I’ve been known to get confused from time to time.
Thanks.
But that is not all: if our observer had the opportunity to study the formal side of the policing andjudicial procedures and practices, how they look “on paper,” he would discover that for the most part the common rules of criminal procedure are observed: charges are laid within the prescribed period following arrest, and it is the same with detention orders. Indictments are properly delivered, the accused has a lawyer, and so on. In other words, everyone has an excuse: they have all observed the law. In reality, however, they have cruelly and pointlessly ruined a young person’s life, perhaps for no other reason than because he made sa~nizdat copies of a novel written by a banned writer, or because the police deliberately falsified their testimony (as everyone knows, from the judge on down to the defendant). Yet all of this somehow remains in the background. The falsified testimony is not necessarily obvious from the trial documents and the section of the Criminal Code dealing with incitement does not formally exclude the application of that charge to the copying of a banned novel. In other words, the legal code-at least in several areas-is no more than a facade, an aspect of the world of appearances
link i think push the button
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trayvon and the communist state: Reason Mag July 2012
hi proggslams!
Thank you, good sir.
May naughty redheads serenade you with a pleasant ukulele version of Santeria this very night.
And the political consequences? Most probably they could be reflected in the constitution of structures that will derive from this new spirit, from human factors rather than from a particular formalization of political relationships and guarantees. In other words, the issue is the rehabilitation of values like trust, openness, responsibility, solidarity, love. I believe in structures that are not aimed at the technical aspect of the execution of power, but at the significance of that execution in structures held together more by a commonly shared feeling of the importance of certain communities than by commonly shared expansionist ambitions directed outward. There can and must be structures that are open, dynamic, and small; beyond a certain point, human ties like personal trust and personal responsibility cannot work. There must be structures that in principle place no limits on the genesis of different structures. Any accumulation of power whatsoever (one of the characteristics of automatism) should be profoundly alien to it. They would be structures not in the sense of organizations or institutions, but like a community. Their authority certainly cannot be based on long-empty traditions, like the tradition of mass political parties, but rather on how, in concrete terms, they enter into a given situation. Rather than a strategic agglomeration of formalized organizations, it is better to have organizations springing up ad hoc, infused with enthusiasm for a particular purpose and disappearing when that purpose has been achieved. The leaders’ authority ought to derive from their personalities and be personally tested in their particular surroundings, and not from their position in any nomenklatura. They should enjoy great personal confidence and even great lawmaking powers based on that confidence. This would appear to be the only way out of the classic impotence of traditional democratic organizations, which frequently seem founded more on mistrust than mutual confidence, and more on collective irresponsibility than on responsibility. It is only with the full existential backing of every member of the community that a permanent bulwark against creeping totalitarianism can be established. These structures should naturally arise from below as a consequence of authentic social self-organization; they should derive vital energy from a living dialogue with the genuine needs from which they arise, and when these needs are gone, the struc tures should also disappear. The principles of their internal organization should be very diverse, with a minimum of external regulation. The decisive criterion of this selfconstitution should be the structure’s actual significance, and notjust a mere abstract norm
http://www.mercuryone.org/restoring-love
Florida Statutes 776.032 – Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force
Obama and Holder have thrown 4 dollar a gallon gas all over this racial Reichstag; now they’re just looking for a pack of matches.
The worst part is that you can see it coming.
“Never let a manufactured and completely avoidable crisis go to waste.”
Obama/Holder- Hundreds of dead Mexican citizens were just the beginning!
It goes without saying, but on this whole ‘Barry Burns the Reichstag’ thing, I’m really going to hate being right because a lot of people are going to die in this little fire.
Simple. datniggytb is racist; NO_LIMIT_NIGGA is not racist.
Stupid wingers.
God willing, and most likely, Barry won’t be around for the trial.
Not for nothing but Florida prosecutors have a bad tendency to overcharge in high profile “outrage” cases. See Anthony, Casey.
As Pablo notes, there may be things we don’t know. However, assuming the facts as we know them are true, there isn’t a chance of convicting Zimmerman on 2nd degree murder. On the upside for the race baiters, Zimmerman’s life and the life of his wife, kids, parents, cousins and everyone close to him, will be ruined, especially from a financial standpoint. That, I think, is the real point for the mob. Who cares about justice when you can destroy a man’s life, innocent or not.
He can’t be racist, he’s a Democrat. And a brown people. Or did the rules change while I was sleeping? It’s so difficult to follow the whims of the academically poisoned.
If there is any justice in this world, GZ will collect very large checks from the prosecutor’s office, the race warriors who’ve put bounties on his head, and most especially, NBCUniversal, for the worst libel of the new century.
A small consolation for having his life ruined and spending years in court, but it would be better than nothing.
Here’s another front in the intimidation / silencing campaign.
I hope Jeff picks up on that letter, motionview. Remarkable.
The Chicago Way is now the operational manual for the Obama Administration.
I don’t think intimidation mixed with graft is going to work out as well for the Whitehouse’s Socialist cohort as they think it will.
‘Muricans frown on that sort of thing, you see.
As for Pablo’s 7:25 am comment… we all know, unprotected, crack-fueled sex in the back of limos with strangers can be very dangerous to your health. Good thing Barry’s got himself some o’ dat sweet ObamaCare!
He’ll be convicted and go to prison. Self-righteousness and a desire to prove your racial bona fides are part of the cultural currency. We’ve lost our way. I spend yesterday — and it continues today — so very depressed that I don’t know really if there’s much left for me to say.
As Levin pointed out in his opening monologue, the fact that the first prosecutorial team found no grounds for a charge, but this special prosecuting team — to get “justice for Trayvon,” as we heard in the press conference yesterday — found enough for a second-degree murder charge (not third-degree, not manslaughter), is enough to let me know that justice isn’t blind any longer, and it almost certainly has an ear to the political winds.
At least, it thinks it does. When prosecutors and states become risk averse, the law is dead. May as well hand shit over to the mob.
That’s going to be up to one of those notoriously unpredictable juries, Jeff. If it gets that far.
“I spent yesterday — and it continues today — so very depressed that I don’t know really if there’s much left for me to say.”
I suspect many of us find ourselves in the same position. But then I think of Eisenhower’s prescription [gisting]: if you have a problem you’ve struggled with that simply won’t admit of a solution, make the problem bigger.
In our case in dealing with political conditions, it looks like pressing ourselves to generalize outward toward more universal questions while simultaneously focusing the harder on substantive particulars as the basis. Nothing of that, however, guarantees we’d get anywhere, but on the other hand, doesn’t preclude it either.
This is like the trial that sparked the LA riots. Instead of charging the officers with police brutality, they overcharged attempted murder, trying to force a plea deal and the officers said “fuck you, try me.” It was obviously not attempted murder and the jury agreed.
If Zimmerman plea’s out, everybodies ass is covered. But if he says “fuck you, try me” it could go like it did in 1992.
We’ll get the usual statements from the “hate whitey” black community that the “correct” verdict better be handed down, or there’s going to be riots and retribution. But, if they do riot, they will burn down the shops of black people and Cubans.
I try to imagine how it was for the GOP with FDR as President.
But, yea we need to get the racist ideologues out of public service. They screw it up for everybody. Just like the white racists have been shamed from polite society, it is really up to us to shame these folk from it as well. It can be done and it has already started, despite the propaganda efforts of the DNC-Media cartel.
RE, Pablo and us not knowing something the prosecutor does:
The only angle I can see where Zimmerman might have a problem is, if it’s true that the 911 operator told him to quit following and he ignored it and kept following anyway. That may make self defense a tough sell. If you shade your eyes, it kinda puts ‘stand your ground’ on the kids side even.
Pablo – I know it because they are friends of mine with whom I have had numerous discussions about their faith and their prosecutorial experiences. In some cases, they became my colleagues and friends after having served as State Attorneys and US Attorneys. In other cases, they were my colleagues and friends, then became prosecutors.
I’m sure you’ll dismiss my knowledge as less convincing than your speculative rationalization. So be it.
No, your speculative rationalization is just as convincing as mine, Smoke.
Lee, I think it probably comes down to who initiated the confrontation. We think it was Trayvon, but… There may be incriminating GZ statements we don’t know about. There may be a witness(es) we don’t know about. There may be something we haven’t even considered that we don’t know about. Of course, we don’t know.
Or what if a (black?) judge decides he has a valid affirmative defense and there’s no trial? This could get weird…er.
There was a time in our history when someone could be charged with murder when all the evidence said they had been defending themselves and/or others. A time when the political establishment, the legal establishment would align to make a conviction stick for racial reasons and if they got shaky there was an extra-legal violent enforcement mob who would intimidate them to get in line or else.
Fortunately we are now long past those Wilson era days of Jim Crow, lynchings, and the KKK. Dead and buried thank God.
Yeah, and from a legal standpoint, could it be said the confrontation was initiated when(if that’s what happened) Zimmerman ignored 911 instruction to break off?
Following someone even after the police tell you to stay put is not “initiating” anything. Though I suspect it will be sold that way.
04/12/2012 Things to do today:
1. Join NRA
2. Send donation to George Zimmerman Defense Fund.
You could be right, I am not a lawyer, just speculating on where the prosecutor is coming from.
I think it’s a crime to ignore the lawful orders of a police officer, and if someone gets dead because the orders were ignored, I can see how that could put your ass in a crack.
911 operators are not police officers. The operator told Z “We (sic) don’t need you to do that” after asking if Z was following the suspicious prowler guy. Z has stated or affirmed to actual police officers that he was attempting to get the house number of the home in question during a rainstorm with limited visability when he was attacked from behind by M.
I wrote my comment before reading yours. It wasn’t directed at you, just at the idea of Zimmerman initiating things.
In fact, I made this point early on in my posts about the story.
“I think it’s a crime to ignore the lawful orders of a police officer, and if someone gets dead because the orders were ignored, I can see how that could put your ass in a crack.”
Even though this may be true, the more pertinent question is whether we have such a case to our view, and it doesn’t appear as though we do.
But this line of questioning does point back at the “depraved mind” assertion of the charge: was Zimmerman wicked, corrupt, immoral, or perverted in his behavior? And we don’t see that without inserting extremely tendentious reasoning where there isn’t even an appearance of these characteristics.
Zimmerman has the same right to free travel as Trayvon. He has every right to ask somebody if they belong in the neighborhood. The police cannot order him to not talk to someone in a public place. It might not be the wise thing to do, but it isn’t illegal.
The only way Zimmerman could have committed a crime before Trayvon assaulted him is if he brandished the firearm or struck him first or laid hands on him.
That wasn’t an order, though, Lee. “We don’t need you do do that.” Then he says “OK” and after that “He ran.”
No, it isn’t. Did that even happen? I don’t know. The question, and it’s the first one I had, was whether GZ put TM in a position to defend himself. We don’t know that either. But we will, assuming a trial.
” . . . if he brandished the firearm . . . ”
Which is where a photograph might enter in.
Or an eyewitness. Or video. Or…???
Also, I totally think 2nd degree murder was charged for leverage to intimidate Zimmerman to plea to manslaughter.
If you’ve ever been charged with something serious, even if innocent, there is tremendous pressure to take a lessor plea. You’re told your choice is: plea to whatever, you’ll get a light sentence, but a jury trial is a crap shoot, very expensive, and the stakes are terrifying. It’s almost like extortion, and I’m convinced many people that think themselves innocent plea to a lessor crime for low jail time and probation rather than gamble on a life sentence.
“Or an eyewitness. Or video. Or…???”
Yes. And part of our dilemma is the Spec. Prosc’s commitment to the “truth” in her statement yesterday, which implicates her knowledge of some evidence or proof of a state of a “depraved mind”. Otherwise, we end up cynically pointing at her as beginning with a lie. Which, that’s no commitment to truth of any sort.
Patrick Fitzgerald, the model.
You’re told your choice is: plea to whatever, you’ll get a light sentence…
But, see that’s the lie. The police are allowed to lie to the accused. They are not part of the DA’s office and can make no such promises since they are not the ones to file the charges against the accused. It is never wise to believe the police in these matters. They are trying to close cases and don’t have your best interests at heart.
911 operators are not LEOs.
And even if they were, “We don’t need you to do that” [i.e., follow Martin to see where he went, or whatever Zimmerman was doing] isn’t a “do NOT do” order anyways.
Already addressed, I see. Apologies for the redundancy.
Sometimes things need to be repeated.
Depraved mind is not as hard to prove as it sounds. The FL jury instructions on it are on page 2 of this PDF. It’s not much more than a bad attitude. I don’t see how it’s proved based on what we know, though.
Bad attitude = depraved mind? We’re all in BIG trouble.
*That may make self defense a tough sell. If you shade your eyes, it kinda puts ‘stand your ground’ on the kids side even.*
I don’t think your wrong but Stand your Ground may not even apply here- I believe its been heavily publicized by the media and the libs (and that asshat Bloomberg) simply because the libs don’t like the law. Zimmerman was absolutely within his rights to follow Martin, even if he wasn’t on the neighborhood watch- I’d hope my neighbors would do the same if they saw someone suspicious casing my house. If Martin then became involved in a confrontation with Zimmerman, resulting in knocking him down and pummeling him while Zimmerman was flat on his back (which appears to be what happened), I think you’re out of the realm of Stand Your Ground and its a simply a question of self defense.
As a Floridian, I love Stand your Ground but I think the entire purpose for the anti-gun nuts (who are just as much a part of the faux outrage as the race baiters) is to get rid of Stand your Ground completely.
I seriously doubt that we will. Not unless we’re now allowing prosecutors to literally speak for the dead.
In two words:
“Fucking coon”
Maybe this one used to work in John Edwards’ law office.
I thought enhanced audio said “Fucking cold”?
Or course, there could have been raccoons in the neighborhood. In which case, I would share his sentiment.
And there you have it, if you can make any sense at all of it.
Shorter Fulton. See something suspicious? Just look the other way and nothing bad will happen to you and yours. Capiche?
” In two words: “Fucking coon” ”
The final word on this was “fucking punks” which also is what Zimmerman said he said.
Good, then we can expect you’ll celebrate should Zimmerman’s defense prove successful, due to your plain adherence to the truth and proper justice according with the truth. And concomitantly, regret your son’s decision to throw the first blow of combat, should that be the fact to be shown at trial?
leigh. It doesn’t matter what Zimmerman actually said. All that matters is what jury of twelve can be persuaded to believe he said; whether he said it or not.
Smart lawblog lawyers nod sagely.
Jeff decides “fuck it” and pours himself another bourbon.
A supporter speaks.
” See something suspicious? Just look the other way and nothing bad will happen to you and yours. Capiche?”
Yeah but Fully, this ain’t downtown Chicago. Your boss ain’t the last word here. He can’t always watch your back. He can’t get you off the hook with a stroke and slap phone call. When your boss comes down here he don’t walk like a Boss. He stays in his car. Here you CAN be touched if you give us a reason. Florida is in play. And you would fit under the bus. Do YOU capiche?
“fucking punks” might be enough to argue that Zimmerman went looking for a confrontation.
Speculator speculating speculatively, so….
There’s GZ’s account, which they’ll either substantively rebut, or not. If they can, then there’s a case. If they can’t, then they can’t possibly get past BRD and the judge should toss the case.
In the context of people who keep burglarizing his neighbors, and while he’s on the phone calling it in to the cops? That’s a long stretch.
Those lawblog lawyers are a smart bunch of fellers. You just ask ’em.
This is one of the many, many times over the years that I have thanked the Almighty that I decided against law school (no offense, counselors). I have to see everyone’s side of everything in my job as it is, but at least I don’t have to defend it against my better judgement.
I’m liking this Mark O’Mara guy. He seems to be media savvy and unruffled by the reporters. He says he’s going to try to get Z bonded out in the next couple of weeks.
” I seriously doubt that we will. Not unless we’re now allowing prosecutors to literally speak for the dead.”
That’s only allowed in civil cases argued by John Edwards and only for unborn children who are being put at risk of becoming hurt by medical malpractice. Note that Edwards is pro-choice.
“In one of Edwards’ silver-tongued arguments to the jury on behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was speaking to the jurors through him:
“She said at 3, ‘I’m fine.’ She said at 4, ‘I’m having a little trouble, but I’m doing OK.’ Five, she said, ‘I’m having problems.’ At 5:30, she said, ‘I need out.”‘
“She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right now — I didn’t plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She’s inside me, and she’s talking to you.”
Read more: John Edwards: The candidate some dead babies speak through – Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_202515.html#ixzz1rqmAzrBk
Pam Bondi inna house with Megyn Kelly.
“Angela Corey is teh awesome” in it’s boiled down form.
One prosecutorial hurdle, it seems to me, for to attain a portrait of a mind possessed by a disregard for human life is Zimmerman’s phone call to the police to alert them to the presence of a suspicious person in the neighborhood, since at least in potentia he’s thereby looking out for the interests of his neighbors (and himself) not to be harmed in their persons or effects by a wrongdoer, and therefore taking a proper regard to human life, far from disregarding it.
Speaking of Edwards: dude is going down.
It harks me back to the days when von posted this at ObsidianWings:
“…without the bimbo eruptions” might just haunt von until the end of his days.
The courtroom procedure just held had the judge mentioning attached affidavits from two investigators. Anybody seen ’em?
That’s the first I’ve heard of it. Are the investigators PI or PD?
I bookmarked that site you linked, jdw. I think I will spend my money there.
“Are the investigators PI or PD?”
I don’t know these abbreviations. They work for the Spec. Prosc. though, if that helps.
And at the web page more including this:
PI = private investigators, usually hired by the defendant or the family of the deceased
PD = police department
I had the impression they were either Sanford cops or cops from Corey’s district, but don’t know which. But whichever, the judge said he relied on the affidavits to make his order of probable cause to move forward.
Legal beagles on teevee are arguing over whether Z was overcharged.
It sounds like it was a police investigation, sdferr. In that case, we get to wait for the trial to find out unless they have a leaker.
I don’t expect the affidavits are anything more than sufficiently sketchy to justify the judge’s decision, so won’t include a whole bunch of new facts or whatever . . . but . . . I still wanna see ’em. And think we will, sooner or later.
I want to see them, too.
I would also like to see less of Trayvon’s family until the trial. I hope the judge’s first order is to gag the participants from talking to the press.
Legal beagles on teevee are arguing over whether Z was overcharged.
Putting on my cynic hat, I’d say that Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree homicide exactly because they knew that one wouldn’t stick, whereas manslaughter might. This way Zimmerman gets a trial, is found not guilty, and can’t be retried (which would involve double jeopardy) for voluntary or involuntary manslaughter.
I am more of a cynic than a lawyer.
I’m thinking the judge just rules if the affidavits are admissible, not on the content so much.
If anybody is familiar with digging out posted records from the Fl. courts, here’s a case number associated with Zimmerman’s case: 2012001083CFA
When RI Red shows up this evening, we can ask him. Is anyone here a criminal lawyer?
Take a look at this Lee.
I don’t see how the judge can fail to rule on the substance or nominal merits before him. Wouldn’t be right.
Here we go (for a start anyhow, following solely the newspaper), from somebody over at JoM:
Curses, confused again!
So, they must prove it was TM that screamed, not Zimmerman, convince the jury of TM’s innocent demeanor, and that Zimmerman confronted the fleeing lad.
I don’t know, I still think the script is acquittal and pre-election race riots.
It’s how the Justice Brothers get paid. A cut of the eventual civil settlement.
The affidavit(s), such as we have it/them, do seem to be fairly thin. However, we have to bear in mind that there is no requirement that the prosecution put all its cards on the table now, i.e., they may have other evidence still not revealed.
A cut of the eventual civil settlement.
I don’t even know that that’s likely. I do think there will be an acquittal. (I used to watch CourtTV all the time, so, ya know, I’m qualified to make such judgements.) If anyone is owed serious bank, it is Zimmerman, from what we know so far. Dude has lost his home, his job, his college education, his privacy, his good name. I know the burden is lower in Civil court, but I don’t think the Martin’s™ stand to collect.
Does Florida have reciprical discovery? I can’t remember if all states do.
I still want to see crime scene photos just to satisfy my curiousity about the iced tea and Skittles story. I think St. Trayvon was out smoking a blunt and talking on his phone when Zimmerman spotted him.
Anyway, we’ll find out.
Affidavit pdf.
Thanks sdferr.
See? Following a stranger in your neighborhood — as neighborhood watch captain — is a no no, once dispatch tells you what to do, citizen.
He fucked up. He tried to be self sufficient.
OK, leigh, it’s almost evening and I’m done doing lawyerly things for the day. Those lawyerly things do not include Criminal, Family or Personal Injury law. That being said, I have read a few John Grisham novels.
Being a lawyer, though, I can BS with the best of them and I will be glad to give my uninformed opinion on just about anything.
And your question is?
That affadavit is scarey. Did they not have any high school graduates around to draw that thing up?
Hi Red! My question was whether Zimmerman was overcharged?
It’s written by cops, B. Moe.
And that’s not what the 911 tape reflects either.
There is nothing new or compelling in the affidavit, which indicates that Corey’s decision was motivated by considerations other than the evidence.
Leigh, if you go way up there to my comment April 11, 2012 at 4:38 pm, the justice brothers prevailed in the original script to the tune of a $3,000,000 for the family. I just bet they got a generous part of that. Plus all the donations from The Outraged™ along the way of course.
leigh, remember that the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt each and every element of the crime of second degree murder:
Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when
1. a person is killed,
2. without any premeditated design,
3. by an act imminently dangerous to another
4. and evincing a depraved mind
5. showing no regard for human life. (Not sure if this is a separate element or is part of 4.)
If the prosecutor can prove everything in that affidavit, then 2d Degree Murder is the right charge. We don’t have all of the (admissible) evidence and we won’t until trial. We don’t know if the prosecution has any exculpatory evidence (which they are required to turn over to the defense).
Now all of the above is textbook and does not take into account personal ambitions of prosecutors, political influence, fear of riots, protective posturing, movie and book rights, etc.
So, in answer to your question and in a fashion most lawyers will recognize – maybe.
Thanks for reminding me, Lee. Diallo was shot by NYPD, though and not by Zimmerman who probably doesn’t have deep pockets like NYC.
maybe
Heh. Also a very shrink-like answer that we use a lot. Thank you. I had several other questions, but I’ll have to try to remember them and not burn supper at the same time. If I’m gone for a bit, I’m not ignoring anyone, just cookin’.
According to that affidavit Zimmerman lived in the gated community. Pretty sure that is wrong.
Me, too. Gotta head home to the nest with a much-needed stop at the “packie” – Rhode Island-speak for Package Store, also known as liquor store. And, no, RI does not sell beer and wine in grocery stores like the civilized states.
This from that City of Sanford FAQ pdf I linked.
Also the “friend” he was talking to was the “girlfriend” that according to the attorneys for Trayvon’s parents was not interviewed till 3 weeks after the shooting and she had heard the 9/11 tapes and had been talking to the attorneys and the family before being interviewed. Her testimony would be questionable at best unless the whole story of her not being contacted for 3 weeks is crap.
A good rundown at JOM.
As a graduate of the Mason Grisham School of Law and Order, wouldn’t the girlfriend’s testimony be considered hear say and inadmissable?
I imagine one or more of the witnesses will seek to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame and sell an “exclusive” to a tabloid, thus getting them booted off the witness list.
If I was a reporter on this I’d be combing through the twitter accounts of all who followed either of Trayvon’s accounts to find who might be the “friend” and what they were saying in the days immediately following the shooting, before it was made into a media circus.
So is a “police dispatcher” also a “telecommunications call taker”?
Speaking of following, notice the affidavit description’s interplay between the verbs “followed” and “pursuing” —
[“was being followed”, “but was followed”, “and followed Martin”] to “pursuing” [“realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin”] then reverting to “follow” [“continued to follow Martin”], with the potential inference in the one case to keep the target in sight and possibly in the second to catch up to for purposes of accosting, as reflected in the active verb “confronted” in “Zimmerman confronted Martin” and then, mirabile dictu, the passive “a struggle ensued”.
StrangernFiction posts a link quoting Alan Dershowitz saying the DA overcharged.
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/04/12/dershowitz-i-think-what-you-have-here-is-an-elected-public-official-who-made-a-campaign-speech-last-night-for-reelection-when-she-gave-her-presentation-and-overcharged/#comment-634118
I forgot how to make a tinyurl, sorry.
Hearsay is testifying to facts based on having been told them. She’s something of an earwitness to the incident, but she, like GZ’s 911 call, isn’t telling us how the altercation occurred.
Are ya using Firefox leigh? Yez can git an html formatting toolbar here. Very handy and efficient.
911 dispatcher. Not an officer of the law.
The 911 call proves otherwise.
The call goes on for another minute and a half after that. GZ is not pursuing Martin, and doesn’t know where he is. So, what, when and how did that second, later contact occur, and what happened? If the State can’t answer that, they’ve overcharged.
Transcript linky here.
Ah. Reading the FAQ, Zimmerman did NOT call 911, but the PD front desk for what that’s worth which isn’t much.
No Firefox sdferr. I’ll have to try to convince my household techie that we need it.
Also sdferr, that extension didn’t work for Firefox version 11.
There are other potential correlates unmentioned in the affidavit: for instance, years ago, talking with a police investigator looking into a break-in at my home, he told me that dark and rainy conditions see higher home break-ins and robberies due the environment, he said, favorable to the thieves: people aren’t generally out and about on the streets during rain-storms, and the darkness is obvious.
I’m using firefox 11.0 now, and think I have version 0.1.4.10, which works fine, so you may be right about 0.1.4.12(?), I dunno.
geoffb posted a link to another formatter a few days ago, though I can’t recall precisely which thread it was in.
I tried the 0.1.4.12 again, no dice. Can’t find 0.1.4.10…
html? just copy what you want in a notepad file: quote, strike, bold, italicize et al
Try this page Lee, it says 0.1.4.10 anyhow.
what do you do with the notepad file after you copy to it? I mean how do you make it efficient to use?
Martin was also not walking on the street or the walks in the housing division; he was walking near the homes in the grass. On a cold, rainy night.
From the pictures that I remember from the Orlando Sentinnel, the spot where the shooting took place is in an area that is a grassy easement the separates the blocks of townhomes. I lived in a neighborhood similar to this; single family homes, no fences and a grassy alley/easement that belonged to the power company. If I saw anyone back there, other than children riding their bikes, I wanted to know what they were doing, too. If I were Zimmerman, a Neighborhood Watch captain, who happened to be running an errand and saw some stranger where he didn’t belong, I’d stop and ask what he was doing there, too while telling the cops about it on my cellphone.
Here, Lee. I’m running that with FF 11.0 as well.
Thanks sdferr, that one worked.
And thanks Pablo.
Just a word on the “strike” function — the default button just places an “s” between the brackets, which won’t produce the strike effect: you’ve got to fill in “trike” together with the existing “s” to get the strike (write the whole word, in other words).
underline
Underline doesn’t work at all, apparently.
“I mean how do you make it efficient to use?”
it is the work around i use because ff link function is spit out by wordpress
Superscript? E=MC2
Apparently not. I believe that’s the site and not the tool, though.
“I believe that’s the site and not the tool, though.”
Agreed.
Yeah, I saw that about strike and underline, playing with it. It’s still easier. And who really needs to underline anyway? Nerds, that’s who.
test
e = mc 2
Looks like the Caps went into Beantown with a strategy to lull Timmy Thomas to sleep: they began the third period with a total of
87 shots on goal!Pencil necked geeks and circus freaks is what I’m say’in…
Until topsecretk9 pointed out the “formatting toolbar” I used a notepad file also. Just had the html and cut and pasted it into the comment as needed especially for links not italics or bold which are nice short things.
Ric Locke wrote a pub piece about doing that too IIRC.
Grit eating freaks? Scum sucking peabrains?
ot go to hell greta
buttcrack dispay’in, drooling and sashay’in girlyboys.
I bet greta underlines shit.
underline
Huh. Who needs it?
test no underline
ef you doug clone
Dale Hunter will be underlining for D-man #6 Dennis Wideman that he ought not overdo the penetration in the offensive zone in OT, the twit: he’s got ground up-ice to cover on the quick breakout. Rats.
Penguins better get it together Saturday or at least give us a good bench-clearing brawl.
“Penguins better get it together . . . ”
They was robbed, plain as day.
Yes they was. That and the Flyers have too many Roosians on their team.
That was an awesome beat-down later on at a face-off. I knew it was on like Donkey Kong when gloves and mouthguards went flying.
At JOM.
I went to one of my soul food places for lunch today mostly I wanted the tasty smothered pork chop but they weren’t ready so I got the tasty tilapia with the hot sauce and the baked beans and the mashed potatos and corn bread plus a slice of icing in the middle chockit cavity cake. Somedays you have to be your own best friend and this was one of them.
But as I left with my bag I saw one of the cooks was sporting trayvon fashionwear. In black letter on the back it said something like My boss’s son is black please don’t shoot him. And then something about how he had taken skittles and something else with him. Whatever.
It was very very tasty and if I had a lick of sense I’d trundle down to Soul Dog right now cause of soul dogs are half off if you know the secret phrase, which I happen to know.
everyday I’m trundling
When I want one of those soul dogs my secret phrase is “get your ass to the kitchen, bitch” but normally I don’t talk to myself like that.
my evening might would take a startling turn if employed your locution I think
Chocolate cake reminds me to be buying some of those pillow shaped devils food cookies come tomorrow. Them things are impossible to make at home.
You shoulda told them they can keep their foodstuffs and sought sustenance elsewhere, happyfeet. This was a sad and big “Fuck you” day for me. How I miss their cheap tubes of tasty beef.
Et tu, Papaya King?
I want a coffee cake tomorrow. Preferably an Entenmanns. But I think like Mrs. Baird’s they were bought by Bimbo. Maybe I’ll just buy some mini-strudels or some chocolate cookies and a half gallon of banana pudding ice cream.
Wait smothered pork chops are soul food now? I thought that was just regular southern “farmer food” (now known as irresponsible piggy comfort food).
hah I remember touring a Mrs. Baird’s bakery in first grade… Bimbo is our friend I think they make tasty snack cakes you know and are a trusty source of carbs
Mr. Abe I’m hesitant to say fuck you cause of this neighborhood needs all the help it can get really plus this is where my friends will live still when I’m dead or Texased and I want them to have tasty dogs.
these southern chops are soul food when you taste them plus you get cornbread and 2 sides and afterwards is the red velvet ooey gooey butter cake
you will cry real tears
southern chops was supposed to be smothered chops but i got confuzzled
Soul food is the stuff my mom used to cook, being an Okie and all. We never get credit for anything.