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2008 REDUX

Romney, bless him, appears ready to bring back the pragmatist’s “good man” gambit. Which I’m sure is welcome news to President McCain and Press Secretary Rick Moran. Notes Romney of his campaign going forward [emphases mine]:

Well, my message is I’m not going to say outrageous things about the president or about my opponents. It gets headlines and a lot of excitement, and it gets you, by the way, a number of days in the polls to get a nice little bump. But I’m going to talk about the real issues Americans face and talk with respect about people who have differing views. I’m not going to attack them personally. I mean, I know that’s fun, but it’s just not productive. And we need, as a nation, to come together to recognize that even though we have differing views about the country and about where we should go, we all love the country.

Sure. And by “love it,” what Romney means is “seeking to fundamentally transform it.” Kinda like the husband who shows his great love for his wife by pushing her to get a nose job, tit implants, Botox treatments, collagen lip injections, and a nice dye job — while requesting that she please just not open her fucking mouth and talk quite so much, if she wants to please him.

Romney is going to speak “with respect” to people who are supporting the deconstruction of the First Amendment. Who have backed unconstitutional mandates. Who are attacking the very idea of private industry. Who cheer when this President circumvents Congress and acts like a dictator, dismissive of the checks and balances purposely built into our system of governance.

Hell, he may even show how willing he is to cross the aisle and support the Democrats, if that brings about a sense of comity.

And yet when it comes to speaking about Gingrich or Santorum, Romney has done nothing but lie.

It’s like 2010 never happened. This is 2008 all over again, only younger, and with better hair.

I think Mitch McConnell was right, in the aftermath of the 2008 trouncing: the GOP is destined to become a regional party. Though not for the reasons the GOP establishment thinks. They’ve already lost me. And I suspect I’m not alone.

Fuck it. Let it burn.

98 Replies to “2008 REDUX”

  1. Squid says:

    I’m not going to attack them personally…

    …unless they’re attacking me from the right, in which case the cousin-humping knuckle-dragging god-bothering NASCAR-following moonshine-swigging Bible-thumping ignernt homophobic extremist racist sexist tornado bait can expect The Works.

    Fucking Hobbits!

  2. McGehee says:

    What we need is to take over the Libertarian Party’s sane caucus.

    Excuse me — what we need is to form a Libertarian Party sane caucus.

  3. DarthLevin says:

    I’m with you, boss. The primary thing the GOP and I have in common now is that we both oppose the Democrat party, although for vastly different reasons. The GOP opposes the Democrats because, well, they’re the other team and, well, ya gotta have two teams. I oppose the Democrats because they’re lying statist fucks who live for nothing more than interfering in my and my family’s lives and making me pay for that interference. And I’m having more and more difficulty figuring out how that description doesn’t apply to the people the GOP propose as Our Betters.

  4. Squid says:

    Don’t know why, but I’m reminded of the recent Super Bowl party where I started ranting about how much I hate the cheatin’ Patriots, and my buddy replied “Rooting for the Giants then, huh Squid?”

    “Hell, no! I’m rooting for the Sweet Meteor of Death to wipe out both sides, their fans, their owners, and those insipid fucking commentators!”

    (Sorry about your town, JD, but sacrifices must be made.)

  5. Jaynie59 says:

    Not yet. We get Obama out of there and then work to either fix the Republican Party or go third party.

    Romney is better than Obama. The number one goal is to get rid of Obama. If he is defeated then there will be something left to save. If he wins, it deserves to burn.

    But we have to try one last time. If he wins? Yeah, let it burn.

  6. DarthLevin says:

    Oh. I didn’t know the election in November was about punishing Obama. Silly me.

  7. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Fuck it. Let it burn

    AH HA !!!!!

    FUNDAMANTAL UNSERIOUSNESS!

    SEE!

    SEE!

  8. sdferr says:

    “Do you think that a President going into a campaign wants gas prices to go up higher?”

    Barack Obama, today

    Yes, you moronic douchebag, by every action you’ve taken during your tenure in office, that’s exactly what we’re all forced to believe.

  9. George Orwell says:

    “Do you think that a President going into a campaign wants gas prices to go up higher?”
    Barack Obama, today

    Well, we already know from the 2008 campaign he wants to see higher taxes on capital gains, whether or not it actually raises tax revenue or shrinks it.

    Because, fairness.

  10. palaeomerus says:

    The GOP should change it’s name to the Loyal Opposition Bitch party and change the logo from an elephant to a chubby balding kid in a t-shirt with a picture of an elephant on it. The kid is riding a donkey, next to a huge a cracked, dried, yellowed, elephant’s skull.

  11. palaeomerus says:

    He could have little brown spots all over his t-shirt from all the shit everyone constantly throws at him.

  12. George Orwell says:

    I’m thinking the new GOP logo is like the Rolling Stones tongue. But licking a boot.

  13. proudvastrightwingconspirator says:

    Remember, it took the Progs 40 years to complete their takeover of the Democrat Party. From the streets of Chicago in 1968 until 2008, when they finally nominated a true Progressive, they fought with the Scoop Jackson/JFK wing of the Democrat Party.
    Sadly, the Tea Party doesn’t have 40 years to gain control of the GOP.
    One more Obama term would mean what’s left of this country won’t be worth fighting over.

    As a Californian, I’m already starting to think about which other state I should be moving to as this giant progressive muni-pension Ponzi scheme come tumbling down.
    Maybe it’s time to be thinking about Belize or Thailand instead…..

  14. cranky-d says:

    Romney is better than Obama. The number one goal is to get rid of Obama. If he is defeated then there will be something left to save. If he wins, it deserves to burn.

    But we have to try one last time. If he wins? Yeah, let it burn.

    How is Romney better than Obama? Saying it’s because he has an “R” next to his name is not sufficient argument. Romney believes in government as much as Obama does. I don’t believe there will be anything left to save if either is elected, but the election of Romney will pretty much destroy conservatism because even though he’s a liberal he will be painted as a “hard-left conservative,” just like Bush was. Please (and I mean this) convince me I’m wrong.

    As far as one last time goes, when do we run out of one last times? We’ve done it over and over again, and have nothing to show for it. One must draw the line somewhere. Why not here?

    I think that the Democrats have proven to themselves that it’s possible to elect a radical lefty to the presidency. Do you really believe that they won’t make it happen again unless the playing field gets changed?

  15. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Mitt Romney…John Kerry…

    Separated at birth?

    Remember the old Simpson’s Tree House of Horror episode? Where Kang & Kodos run for the Presidency?

    Fuck it. I’m going with Homer.

    I’m voting Bob Dole.

  16. cranky-d says:

    Kang and Kodos? They took two names from Star Trek TOS for that one.

    This time, vote for Kodos the Executioner. He’ll fix that entitlement problem toot sweet.

  17. George Orwell says:

    This time, vote for Kodos the Executioner. He’ll fix that entitlement problem toot sweet.

    Yes. Stay away from that Kang. He’s a liberal Klingon. He made peace with Kirk.

  18. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    I don’t know Cranky. I take heart in the fact Kang & Kodos got run off the planet by somebody threatening them with a board that had a nail stuck through it.

    If only it was so easy.

    Hope Jeff throws up an open thread for President lady’s tee hi-jacking press conference this evening.

    Suggestions for drinking words should be proffered by the commentariat post haste.

  19. DarthLevin says:

    Well, technically, Kang only made peace because the Organians made him.

  20. JHoward says:

    Maybe it’s time to be thinking about Belize or Thailand instead…..

    More than a few of my friends are seriously talking about heading to the mountains and homesteading. I suspect we’re not alone.

  21. EBL says:

    I am not ready to throw in the towel yet. Romney is not my choice, but I know Barack Obama is definitely worth fighting against. This is something to remember…regardless of what happens.

  22. Squid says:

    The number one goal is to get rid of Obama.

    Let’s take Obama out of the equation for a moment.

    At the risk of repeating a tired thought experiment: imagine for a moment that Obama decides to step down for some reason (Holder impeachment, summer Tea Party revolt, golf endorsement deal, whatever). Hillary steps up to run for the 2012 election, against a Mitt Romney who has successfully used his establishment machinery to consolidate support drive out the conservative candidates.

    So: Mitt vs Hillary in 2012. Who’s the better option? HillaryCare vs RomneyCare. Silver hair versus brass balls. Completely inauthentic establishment patrician versus fairly authentic establishment ball-buster.

    Honestly, I’d have trouble choosing either one over the other. And when the GOP’s “best guy” can barely claim “Hey, I might not be as bad as Hillary!” we have a significant problem.

  23. Ernst Schreiber says:

    What’s worth more to you? Fighting against Obama or fighting against Mitt Romney if/when he turns out to be Obama-lite?

  24. George Orwell says:

    Chekhov enjoys the fruits of interstellar relations.

    http://bit.ly/wJ6cbB

  25. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    “What’s worth more to you? Fighting against Obama or fighting against Mitt Romney if/when he turns out to be Obama-lite?”

    For the time being, I’m gonna go with Kissinger.

  26. JHoward says:

    The number one goal is to get rid of Obama. If he is defeated then there will be something left to save. If he wins, it deserves to burn.

    One hundred percent wrong.

    The correct question at this point in history asks how and when classical liberalism lost its lustre. How original structural individuality died. How The Lie prevailed and became all but universal. How cowardice and the faintest perceptions of painted-on, “liberal” social niceties that contrast Rush Limbaugh’s filthy filthy filthy mouth aside Bill Maher’s amusing curt rejoinders and pithy insights over in the Press’s storefront window overtook what it literally means to be American and then stabbed it in the back until dead.

    The number one goal is to get rid of progressivism, a hope and a goal not aided by electing another one.

    Here Kudlow merely feeds Romney; Romney regurgitates to Kudlow. They both bullshit us; in this Exclusive Interview — positively crackling with election year electricity! — they both blow an opportunity to speak frank truth because that’s what they want to do! Instead they trade rhetoric and sound bites and then Ma and Pa Kettle nod and grow silent and dial back to Wheel of Fortune.

    But “Romney is better than Obama”. Offered without an ounce of evidence in the face of this latest dose of bald-faced lies of ommission they’ve just ladled on us courtesy of CNBC.

  27. McGehee says:

    Romney is better than Obama.

    Right, because he did ObamaCare first. With an “R” on it. He knows how to be bipartisan which is always better.

    Because only Republicans ever do bipartisan. That proves it’s better.

  28. George Orwell says:

    I’ll vote (uselessly, in Clownifornia). Always said I would vote for a ham sandwich instead of Obama. So, while he’s not quite the same as a ham sandwich, Romney is probably on our plate. But there is no way I’m eating him.

  29. Roddy Boyd says:

    The last time I felt things were so surreal was 2008. The Left has been allowed to invent, out of whole cloth, a controversy that has never and will never exist. I think Jeff’s bits about language, which have always seemed to me just north of gibberish, have proven to be utterly prescient. I owe him an apology, I suspect.

    You yield the language and then they can take the words and make them mean anything they wish…or not.

    Read this. Did you know that men don’t care about birth control? Neither did I.
    But she does. She must be a better reporter than me.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/06/opinion/stepp-birth-control/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

  30. SmokeVanThorn says:

    He’s McCain without the wartime heroism or Sarah Palin.

  31. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Now I want a ham sandwich….

  32. McGehee says:

    A ham sandwich would be a better meal than a syphilitic camel. But you can’t ride a ham sandwich across the Sahara.

  33. Crawford says:

    But you can’t ride a ham sandwich across the Sahara.

    Depends on how much mayo you put on it.

  34. George Orwell says:

    Is the GOP nominee the syphilitic camel in this metaphor? Because we have some salve for that.

  35. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Did you know that men don’t care about birth control? Neither did I.

    Why would men not care about something that they’ve been the principle beneficiaries of?

  36. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Poor Zeeba. I’d feed it a ham sammich, but I’m afraid it would spit on me.

  37. Ernst Schreiber says:

    It occurs to me that if we of the political right were the conspiratorial evil geniuses we’re sometimes made out to be, we would have gotten Obama on the Republican ballot. That way, Romney would have had to attack him.

    File that away for next time.

  38. McGehee says:

    Is the GOP nominee the syphilitic camel in this metaphor?

    Depends on how much mayo we put on him.

  39. RI Red says:

    The Stupid Party. The Stupider Party. The Stupidest Party. The Dumb-Shit, Fuck Up A Wet Dream Party.
    Ah, now I feel better.

  40. Jeff G. says:

    Jeff’s bits about language, which have always seemed to me just north of gibberish, have proven to be utterly prescient. I owe him an apology, I suspect.

    You yield the language and then they can take the words and make them mean anything they wish…or not.

    Actually, it’s fundamentally unserious. And pseudo-intellectual.

    All the kids who are bringing you Romney 2012 say so.

  41. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    Ron Swanson for President.

    (admit it, when you saw “Ron”, you thought I was pitching for Uncle Crazy).

  42. cranky-d says:

    If the kids are saying it, it must be true.

    After all, kids are really the wise ones. Old guys like me are dumb.

  43. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    “Actually, it’s fundamentally unserious. And pseudo-intellectual.”

    I dunno about any of that, but it’s certainly metaphysically wrinkle free.

  44. rjacobse says:

    Romney is better than Obama only in the sense that Romney is less worse than Obama, or that Romney would take this country into the crapper slower than Obama is/will.

    We don’t need “I’m Not As Bad As The Other Guy.” We don’t need to slow down the slide; we need someone to bring the slide to a screeching halt, to reverse the decline.

  45. LBascom says:

    I’ve said before I would vote for a empty soup can(ham sandwiches are distracting, the sluts) over Obama, and Romney is of category if not of quality(of an empty soup can that is).

    This is the difference: They might both be big government guys, anxious to discover the next problem to apply government solutions to, but Romney is misguided while Obama is malevolent. Romney may only rework Obamacare, Obama will aggressively expand the power and reach of government healthcare(as we see now with the 1st Amendment assault). Romney will have a huge foreign policy mess to deal with, Obama will continue ushering in disaster. Romney will nominate mediocre Supreme Court Justices, Obama will keep searching for ones to the left of Kagan.

    Romney might resist conservatism, Obama wants to break the fucking country.

  46. cranky-d says:

    metaphysically wrinkle free

    I shall have to ponder that a while to determine its meaning.

  47. Jeff G. says:

    Romney might resist conservatism, Obama wants to break the fucking country.

    The only difference being speed of decline.

    In less than 2 months, God willing, I’ll have newborn. I’d rather let it burn now and rebuild than let that kind of looming apocalypse weigh on my children.

  48. Pablo says:

    Read this. Did you know that men don’t care about birth control?

    I’m going to have to rethink that vasectomy.

  49. JHoward says:

    Romney might resist conservatism

    A most charitable view of the socialist tool buying himself the Presidency. You know, the fast-talking bullshitter in the video.

  50. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    “The only difference being speed of decline.”

    Decline my ass. This is gravitational free fall.

    The proverbial bicycle has been ridden off the cliff. Now everybody’s quibbling about who can peddle the stupid fucking thing the fastest.

    I want the sonofabitch wearing the parachute to grab the handlebars & park his ass in the seat. Interest rates, inflation…? We know it’s coming anyway.

    We. Are. Falling.

    Just pull the goddamn rip-cord already.

  51. JHoward says:

    The country has terminal cancer. Let’s get it a nice antacid.

  52. LBascom says:

    “I’d rather let it burn now and rebuild than let that kind of looming apocalypse weigh on my children.”

    I can relate(hope to be a grandfather some day), but the problem is, who knows how long it will burn once it starts? If we’re thinking years, OK, but it could be generations.

    Anyway, better to fight to the last man and hope for a miracle(hey, Romney could exceed our expectations) is my thinking.

  53. JHoward says:

    What blows my mind is that truths like this don’t warrant so much as a passing glance. Or this.

    Are we unfamiliar with inherent instability? With positive feedback? Exponential curves?

    But of course back in Mitt’s teevee land, we’re running up too much debt. We need to slow social spending. Taxes shouldn’t really rise. Let’s lower corporate taxes. We need a more fiscally responsible government.

    Bullshit.

    What we have is a systemic racket used to drain away everything we have. And we think a Romney is going to solve this when we can’t even discuss it?

  54. B Moe says:

    One of the big problems is we don’t really have viable political parties any more. The Democrats and Republicans are functionally sub-branches of the government and everything else is excluded from the process.

  55. JHoward says:

    Know your time in history because now is that time.

  56. LBascom says:

    BMoe, I think that’s the main problem in a nutshell. In function, if not in form, we already live as subjects.

    The form will follow.

  57. geoffb says:

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio:

    And we uncovered information from the National Archives that is mysteriously missing one week of flight information into Hawaii out of a 10-year span requested by my investigators. It just so happened to be the week of the president’s birth.

  58. geoffb says:

    Darn it wrong thread again.

  59. leigh says:

    Mitt Romney is Bob Dole with a good handshake.

  60. Roddy Boyd says:

    JG,
    I owe you an apology. Never ran you down about it, just thought you were wasting your time. Now, I see that in a sense I was wasting mine.

    Roddy

  61. Ernst Schreiber says:

    [B]oth [might] be big government guys, anxious to discover the next problem to apply government solutions to, but Romney is misguided while Obama is malevolent.

    I see it more as a difference of appetite than intention. Romney, for example, doesn’t give any indication of believe what you eat is his business.

    [B]etter to fight to the last man and hope for a miracle (hey, Romney could exceed our expectations) is my thinking.

    Hard to see how he could do anything but —our expections being so low. So there’s that for the glass-half-full set.

  62. McGehee says:

    The number one goal is to get rid of Obama. If he is defeated then there will be something left to save.

    The danger with setting aside principle for the duration of an emergency is, there’s always another emergency.

    Obama is an emergency, but is he that big of an emergency? Especially when you stop to consider how big of an emergency Romney would turn out to be?

  63. EBL says:

    It would be nice for Mitt to be half as mean to Barack as he has been to Newt and Rick. Is that too much to ask for?

  64. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Yes, it is.

  65. EBL says:

    Why I am not thrilled with Mitt… It makes a nice post headline as least. Damn.

  66. Ernst Schreiber says:

    It’s like 2010 never happened. This is 2008 all over again, only younger, and with better hair.

    It’s just occurred to me that this isn’t 2008 all over again so much as it’s the deliberate undoing of 2010.

    And it’s all predicated on the notion that we’re so afraid of Barak Obama and what he might do that we’re willing to sacrifice the Tea Party movement and turn the GOP over to a Massachussetts milquetoast.

  67. geoffb says:

    Captain Romney, you’re going to need a bigger PAC.

  68. Lamontyoubigdummy says:

    “It’s just occurred to me that this isn’t 2008 all over again so much as it’s the deliberate undoing of 2010.”

    You smell that too? And here I thought that was just a smelly Karl Rove fart. I’ve often wondered what was the exact GOP predicate for “the next in line”.

  69. Squid says:

    The Left and the Establishment GOP have been working overtime since 2010 to marginalize us, to make sure that we don’t fuck up the good thing they got going. We’ve documented it at length on these pages. They lie about who we are and what we stand for. They pretend that the religious right are our leaders and spokesmen, and encourage every kind of culture war sideshow they can come up, so that people will forget that the primary driver of the movement was fiscal reform driven by concerned private citizens. They claim that we’re sexists, and racists, and that any women or minorities in our ranks are ‘inauthentic,’ without ever questioning the tyrannical hubris required to grant authenticity to an individual.

    For these reasons, and many others, I remain steadfast in my efforts to cram another hundred Congresscritters down their throats. We have one shot to resurrect the GOP and rescue the Republic, and neither the Obama machine nor the Romney machine will dissuade me from my pursuit.

  70. Matt says:

    Its hard for me to believe alot of you think 4 years with big government Romney is not a better alternative to the marxist liar and apologizer in chief. Honestly, there’s not even a comparison between the amount of damage Obama can do, with a #@#! blank check and no worry of re-election, and what Romney might do, if elected, when he has a Republican congress and potentially Republican senate. I understand alot of you don’t like Romney (and I can think of 10 other people I prefer, just none of them are running) but I do consider it unserious that many of you think that the results, should either be elected, will be the same. Stay home, stomp your feet, lament the lack of purity and then whine for the next 4 years as Obama takes away more of our liberties and taxes/spends us into Greece. If that will make you feel better, than by all means. If you want to promote staying home and not voting to all your friends, then by all means. Just plan to shut up when Obama is re-elected and this country spirals further down the toilet. Because Obama and Romney are basically the same person, right? You’re not going to teach the GOP a lesson – you’re going to help Obama screw the country.

  71. Car in says:

    Obama attacks US every day. Come ON Romney. We’re bitter clingers. We hate the poor. We have a war on women. We want to control their sex lives. We hate gays. We’re too stupid to run our own lives.

    Actually, these attacks are MUCH more offensive, to me, than if someone called me a slut.

    We are intellectually and financially and our basic rights are being attacked.

    Romney needs to learn to rile up some outrage.

  72. Blake says:

    Matt, Romney has consistently attacked the other GOP candidates and conservatives in general while saying he won’t attack President Obama.

    Tells me all I need to know about Romney and how much Romney appreciates conservatives.

    Speaking for myself, I voted McCain because I knew just how bad President Obama was going to be. Now, the GOP is using the same excuse to promote Romney.

    How many times do conservatives suck it up before telling the GOP to go fuck themselves?

    I, for one, am going to tell the GOP should go fuck themselves, if Romney wins the GOP nomination.

    And I’m quite sure I’m not the only one thinking that way.

    Yeah, I’m way beyond fed up.

  73. Blake says:

    Btw way, Jeff, thanks for mentioning your baby. I hadn’t heard anything for a while and was concerned, but was afraid to say anything.

    Again, congratulations and may she be healthy.

  74. Jeff G. says:

    Stay home, stomp your feet, lament the lack of purity and then whine for the next 4 years as Obama takes away more of our liberties and taxes/spends us into Greece.

    Or you could not give us Romney.

    It’s really not up to us. It’s our vote you’re courting.

    And it’s not a “lack of purity” that is the problem. It’s the attempt to define “conservatism” down to big government technocratic statism that happens to be run by a Republican Administration. Which I’m supposed to give the imprimatur of my one vote. Or else.

    If the GOP was so keen on defeating Obama, they’d give us someone quite different from him, not someone who on a host of major issues redounding to our liberties is, as George Soros reminds us, much the same.

  75. geoffb says:

    How many times do conservatives suck it up before telling the GOP to go fuck themselves?

    If Romney is the nominee then it will be the 7th Presidential election in a row that doesn’t have a conservative* running for President from either major Party.

    * conservative being defined as being aligned at least with two of the three legs of the conservative base.

  76. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Its hard for me to believe alot of you think 4 years with big government Romney is not a better alternative to the marxist liar and apologizer in chief. Honestly, there’s not even a comparison between the amount of damage Obama can do, with a #@#! blank check and no worry of re-election

    I refuse to be frightened into voting for a milquetoast Massachussetts moderate technocrat with no core and no vision.

  77. JHoward says:

    If you want to promote staying home and not voting to all your friends, then by all means. Just plan to shut up when Obama is re-elected and this country spirals further down the toilet.

    Excuse me? This country isn’t going to spiral further down the toilet. It’s going to cease to be, if it hasn’t already.

    The problem you have, Matt, is that you’re decades late to the Party. That and you can’t identify conservative. If you could you’d look at the wreckage and identify it and it’s formative machinery for what they are and have been for half a century or more.

    You think not? Allow me:

    The Federal Reserve Act
    The Welfare State
    Government schooling
    Social Security
    Medicare and Medicaid
    The DHHS and a trillion dollars a year in a myriad of social “services”
    An infinitude of federal agencies and policies

    And a quarter quadrillion in debt, plus intrusions into every corner of your personal life. So your plan is to support another component in the works; yet another cog in that very machinery.

    Basically you’re handing the terminal lung cancer patient another pull on the cigarette, just to ease his passing.

  78. LBascom says:

    ” If you want to promote staying home and not voting to all your friends, then by all means. Just plan to shut up when Obama is re-elected and this country spirals further down the toilet.”

    Matt, I suggest you plan to avoid the shut up enforcer rule…else you’ll spend the next four years trying to pry out various and sundry objects lodged up your colon.

  79. LBascom says:

    enforcer role I meant.

  80. Jeff G. says:

    If you want to promote staying home and not voting to all your friends, then by all means. Just plan to shut up when Obama is re-elected and this country spirals further down the toilet.

    I don’t vote on behalf of other people. They can make their own choices.

    This is my site, and it’s chock full of my opinions and observations. If it means so much to you to beat Obama that you’ll pull the lever for Romney, by all means do it. I’m not stopping you.

    But if Romney gets the nomination and loses, plan to shut up for the next four years when we have an Obama second term. Because that’s the consequence of ignoring the 2010 elections and the base of your own Party.

    Or, you know, just blame it on us — and then repeat the cycle four years later. I don’t much care anymore.

  81. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Just as an intellectual exercise, we should try to come up with all the ways that a Romney presidency will be different from the Obama presidency.

    For example. I see a President Romney being much more concerned about comity and bipartisan spport than President Obama.

  82. Actually, an Obama with no business sense is better, to me, than an Obama with business sense. So I will be staying home, and when Obama gets re-elected and GOPer’s come up to me and say, “SEE?” I’ll reply, “I hope you do.”

    Also, if (and it’s a BIIIIIG if) Romney gets elected, I reserve the right to find GOPer’s and yell, “SEE?” at them.

  83. DarthLevin says:

    In an Obama presidency, people opposing the administration’s policies are racist.

    In a Romney presidency, people opposing the administration’s policies are religious bigots. And racists.

  84. palaeomerus says:

    “Stay home, stomp your feet, lament the lack of purity and then whine for the next 4 years as Obama takes away more of our liberties and taxes/spends us into Greece.”

    Have you done anything worthwhile to expect or demand any more? It’s a bit late to whine about duty and loyalty and holding back the left NOW isn’t it? And Romney prototyped Obamacare and promoted it as a possibility for a national healthcare reform solution in his book and in an op-ed, and in a TV interview. Then he said that he didn’t.

    People fought their ass off for the Republicns from 2009 to 2011. They got fucked for it. Instead of being praised for electing governors and senators and gaining the house they were condemned for not quite regaining the senate. Of course Carly Fiorina a moderate somehow escaped the blame for losing California. Oh well.

    The people who fought for you got the same old ignorant “let the left set the tone and all the premises” shit and then when they objected they were told to shut up and get on board or get out of the way. They were told that they were more embarrassing than Arlen Specter and Olivia Snow. They were not defended from spurious charges of racism and stupidity. They saw what they had done channeled into the same defeatist apologetic machine they saw at work in 2008. Chuck Todd is even talking about throwing out the irksome 20% of the party that he feels are it’s biggest problem if Romney loses. Yeah. I FUCKING DARE HIM.

    The party let the press call Bachmann Crazy without challenge. It let them call Perry to stupid to speak and remember simple things. It let them paint Herman Cain as a sick old horndog based on a mix of nonspecific anonymous decade old charges and a ridiculous dog and pony show with Gloria Allred. It allowed Newt to be painted a a hateful pariah who flakes out and mumbles about moon bases. It allowed Santorum to be painted as a rubber seizing theocrat who’ll put chastity belts on all women. It allowed Romney to avoid talking about how he sure looks like a moderate if we don’t squint real hard. It chanted to us that only Romney could win when his actual political record is not one of winning. When people pointed his record out they were told to shut up and that only he could win. When Romney did not know what the Blunt amendment was and punted the same people who jumped on Perry’s gaffe told us that it was no big deal and he got it right on the second try. We STILL hear rumors that by ‘repeal Obamacare’ Romney actually means “fix it” and we hear this from Romney’s polling, and his campaign advisors.

    The GOP took a risk to challenge the their own base in the belief that they could be cajoled or whipped into compliance. Now they know that is not the slam dunk they hoped. A short easy anointing and coronation on their good word is simply not going to happen. Romney BTW could fix most of his problems EASILY by having a so called conversion on the road to Damascus and shifting right and apologizing for trying to push up the middle. That’s essentially all the Santorum and Newt did to gain their Not Romney positions. But he won’t. He actually believes the moderate centrist claptrap is popular and inspiring. Sadly He is running out of time. Everytime he talks about a minimum wage that rises automatically indexed to inflation the people he wants to vote for him and trust him die inside a little.

    Stupidity has consequences. Incompetence has consequences. Grandiosity regarding one’s mediocrity has consequences. As ye have sown so shall ye reap. The GOP machine is reaping what it sowed. It is a pitiful harvest. They may have serious trouble knocking down an unpopular chump of a president because of their stupidity. Now they want to panic about it. NOW they want to panic.

    Oh well.

  85. Ernst Schreiber says:

    There’s no reason to stay home. Just skip the top of the ballot.

    The undervote should be illuminating.

    Which is why we’ll probably never hear about it.

  86. LBascom says:

    I would counsel you to vote though, just write in who you really want. Regis maybe, or your wife’s pet name for your swinging meat. Be creative! Have some fun with it…

  87. B Moe says:

    Its hard for me to believe alot of you think 4 years with big government Romney is not a better alternative to the marxist liar and apologizer in chief. Honestly, there’s not even a comparison between the amount of damage Obama can do, with a #@#! blank check and no worry of re-election, and what Romney might do, if elected, when he has a Republican congress and potentially Republican senate.

    If we have a Republican House and Senate, Romney will have the blank check, not Obama. Romney can and will do much more long term damage than Obama in that case.

    If they nominate Romney, I am voting Obama at the top and straight Republican below. Send the motherfuckers a clear message and hope for four more years of bickering and deadlock.

  88. daveinsocal says:

    Well isn’t this special. So Romney is not only refusing to say outrageous things about the “good man” in the White House, he’s now actively running interference for him:

    Yesterday, Mitt Romney said he’s “not going to say outrageous things about the president.” Trouble with that statement is that “outrageous” is a pretty subjective adjective. Outrageous to whom? Apparently, Romney meant to say he’s not going to say anything about the president that would outrage the left — because he doesn’t seem to be afraid to say something about the president that would outrage the right. In fact, he did just that earlier today, when he essentially said the president shouldn’t be held responsible for the high price of gas.

    “I think people recognize that the president can’t precisely set the price at the pump,” Romney said in an interview on CNBC.

    Mittenz is telling me, loud and clear, that he does not want my vote. He just doesn’t realize it. Yet.

  89. cranky-d says:

    Yes, everyone should vote. There are many people on the ballot who need your vote. As far as the president goes, pick someone you’d like and write that person’s (or critter’s) name in.

  90. cranky-d says:

    Mittens is going for the “good man” defense of Obama? What a tool.

  91. daveinsocal says:

    What say we give the GOP establishment a sneak preview of who the 2016 candidate will be (after Obama’s second term) by writing in “Marco Rubio”.

    Or “Mad Max” if we’re fairly confident that the inevitable collapse will occur before then.

  92. daveinsocal says:

    Mittenz just wants to ensure that if his multi-million dollar wet dream does comes true, that he’s established the precedent of not blaming the President for high gas prices.

    Silly Mittenz, doesn’t he know yet that the other side is using a an etch-a-sketch as their rule book?

  93. daveinsocal says:

    I’m with you, B Moe. A Republican Congress to face a Democrat in the White House is probably the least awful option.

    Now, how do we replace “Crying Man” Boehner as the speaker, and keep Totally Useless McConnell out of a Senate leadership position? Otherwise, we’re stick with a quasi-Republican Congress who will fold faster than a Chinese laundry.

  94. daveinsocal says:

    Sorry, not trying to hog the thread. I’ll pipe down for a while.

  95. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Probably I’m voting for either Zombie Reagan or Zombie Sulla, depending on how vindictive I’m feeling.

  96. McGehee says:

    How dare we not embrace blindly the fiction that Mitt Romney, a man who’s only won one other election in his whole life, is more Electable™ than any of his rivals, all of whom have won several elections in their own right.

    Hell, even Sarah Palin had won more elections than Mitt Romney, before she even ran for mayor of Wasilla.

  97. Squid says:

    Matt’s sister was getting married to an unemployable layabout with a drinking problem, a wandering eye, and a tendency toward showing his love with his fists. The preacher man got to the part of the ceremony where he says, “Speak now or forever hold your peace,” and Matt shushed his whole side of the family because, well, she could have married a meth cooker, and besides, the most important thing is to stand up for your side!

  98. Squid says:

    Hell, even Sarah Palin had won more elections than Mitt Romney, before she even ran for mayor of Wasilla.

    I think we’re supposed to credit Mitt with George’s victories. I mean, what’s the point of being a political scion if you can’t ride your family’s coattails?

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