July 24, 2011

Are conservatives to blame?

Why, yes! Insofar as the President has succeeding in blaming them. And really, isn’t that all that matters, perception being reality and all? The mark of true leadership is avoiding the slings and arrows of a mainstream press that, in their efforts to help advance the progressive agenda, are always looking for ways to spin GOP recalcitrance.

Whereas the squishes, conversely, are pragmatic, sober, and very very Reaganesque.

Honestly. How can the conservative movement ever hope to get anywhere without heeding the advice of wise, staunch counsel from the likes of, say, David Frum? How can they ever escape the traps placed by the left without agreeing to all the left’s premises — without an agreement by August 2, the US will default! (despite taking in enough monthly revenue to pay the service on the debt 6 to 7 times over) — and then outsmarting them by caving to them.

Ha! And here progressives thought we’d take the blame! No sir. We relented and compromised. We showed them! And the American people will love us for our willingness to break with the extremist ideologues on our fringes. Just as they embraced the maverick McCain and rode that across-the-aisle express to victory!

Posted by Jeff G. @ 11:16am
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  1. OFF TOPIC

    Jeff, I clicked that ‘groupon’ link a few weeks ago and joined. Sadly, I live too far out in the boonies for it to be of any value to me, and they send me two emails every day.

    I’m all for making you money, but it’s kind of annoying. If I cancel it, do you still get paid?

  2. I don’t have any idea, Kevin. I don’t think I’ve ever been paid by them.

    On the other hand, Groupon is awesome.

  3. Worth remembering when considering how utterly worthless are the promises of future spending cuts in exchange for tax increases now. Article asserts that historically, each dollar in new taxes has led to more than one dollar in new spending.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620502560925156.html

  4. Can someone explain to the squishes that rewarding bad behavior (e.g. giving in to illiberal-Democrat threats) only gets you MORE of the same bad behavior in the future?

    It’s like the bratty kid screaming at his mom in the check-out line for candy — her giving in actually ensures future tantrums.

    Why are people like Radosh channeling such a parent?

  5. Groupon is very awesome for example if you have a kid away at college or posted on a base stateside you can pick their city and buy groupons for them, which is a very nice thing to do cause of lots of groupons are for tasty foozle

  6. Was Billy Budd to blame? Of course he was. But not.

    This is one of the problems with natural right. It stands hard over against conventional right and always will.

  7. Anyone who uses the word default for what happens August 2 or 10th? is either a fucking idiot, a drooling propaganda whore for the liberal-fascist left or they have inside information on Obama’s decisions as to what get funded if the debt ceiling doesn’t get raised.

    Default or not is all on Obama. A credit downgrade and the financial turmoil that follows in its wake is all on the Democrats especially Harry Reid and the President. Come on GOP get this simple message out there, everywhere. Sheesh.

  8. at the end of the day even your average retarded American know what it means when your credit gets downgraded – it means you spent too fucking much – and everyone knows bumblefuck is a spendy spendy motherfucker

    the mostest spendiest motherfucker in history

  9. oh crap Asian markets open in like two hours

    sell sell

  10. actually i guess we have like 7 hours til meltdown

  11. at the end of the day even your average retarded American know what it means when your credit gets downgraded – it means you spent too fucking much – and everyone knows bumblefuck is a spendy spendy motherfucker

    But if you just borrow more money, they like that better, right?

    No, wait. They cut your credit limit, don’t they?

  12. On the other hand, Groupon is awesome.

    Except they like to ask you if you’re a man or a woman which is just hateful.

  13. Tokyo is one more hour of the rising sun ahead of Shanghai and they open at 9:00. Set your sell, sell panic watch accordingly.

  14. Five hours and twenty minutes from… now.

  15. everything must go

  16. Only the bag holders will be caught holding the bag.

  17. I cannot possibly lose anything in the market because I have no investments. Yay me!

  18. Take your choice Timmuh. Idiot, drooling ideologue,or sycophant insider.

    I think you’re a three-fer.

  19. We have to borrow borrow borrow. For the children and old people and poor.

    H8ters.

  20. I watched Turbo-Tax Timmah on Fox news this morning. I think he got pretty close to losing his cool there for a bit.

    Every question he pretty much reframed and answered how he wanted.

  21. from jen the rube’s sources:

    From a source familiar with the call between Speaker of the House John Boehner and the House Republicans:

    I went on Fox News Sunday this morning because it was the most effective way to tell everyone where things stand. It boils down to this: The president wants his $2.4 trillion debt limit increase all at once, without any guarantees that we’re going to cut more than $2.4 trillion in spending. The administration says they it all upfront so we don’t have to deal with this again until after the next election. You heard the president say that himself on TV the other night.

    We’ve seen this coming all year long. But here’s the challenge: to stop him, we need a vehicle that can pass in both houses.

    You know, last week we passed the Cut, Cap & Balance Act and showed America our solution, our vision, as we did months ago with our budget. So we’ve done our job. And I think the nation knows it. But as you all know, the Senate tabled the Cut, Cap & Balance Act. And I think the nation knows that, too. So the question becomes – if it’s not the Cut, Cap & Balance Act itself – what CAN we pass that will protect our country from what the president is trying to orchestrate?

    The White House has never gotten serious about tackling the serious issues our nation faces – not without tax hikes – and I don’t think they ever will. The path forward, I believe, is that we pull together as a team behind a new measure that has a shot at getting to the president’s desk. It’s won’t be Cut, Cap, & Balance as we passed it, but it should be a package that reflects the principles of Cut, Cap, & Balance. We’re committed to working with you – and with our Republican colleagues in the Senate – to get it done. No one is willing to default on the full faith and credit of the United States.

    And I think the leaders in both parties and both houses of Congress already agree that we need significant reductions. But if we stick together, I think we can win this for the American people. . .because I do think there is a path. But it’s gonna require us to stand together as a team. It’s gonna require some of you to make some sacrifices. If we stand together as a team, our leverage is maximized, and they have to deal with us. If we’re divided, our leverage gets minimized.

    Before I close, let me thank all of you for your patience, and for your confidence, and for your commitment to our country. We’re doing the right thing, and you all know that the right thing isn’t always the easiest thing to do.

    link

  22. ho hum NY Time’s Kristof says Republicans and Tea Party are “a threat” to the safety & security of the United States.

    Because of the fanaticism of not wanting to RAISE TAXES!! AAAAEEEEEEIIIIIII!!!!

  23. No one is willing to default on the full faith and credit of the United States.

    Would that he added to that:

    *Well, let me state that another way: I assume no one is willing to default on the full faith and credit of the United States, but we may learn in a few days whether my assumption is wrong should the President of the United States choose to veto the measure we send to him on account of its not serving his political needs for reelection next year.

  24. Basically, we all have to surrender together, for the good of the team.

    Yeah, got it.

  25. You’re all deranged.

  26. I’ll bet the Tokyo fish market is open now and they’re selling the hell out of some tasty tuna.

  27. And here it comes,
    Now I’m forming the words, I’m performing the exercise.
    And here it comes,
    It’s the feeling that I’ve made the same speech a million times.

    These are your leaders, come on take a look,
    They’ll lie and cheat and steal then sell the rights to the book.
    And these are your neighbors who have swung to the right,
    But you don’t have to worry just as long as you’re white.
    And my generation is just waiting to die,
    We’ll swallow anything if it would just get us high.
    I don’t know who’s a bigger fool,
    But one thing I know,
    This is crapola, this is shinola.

    Whew, happy I’m not a conservative.

  28. punt, pass and kick

  29. ho hum NY Time’s Kristof says Republicans and Tea Party are “a threat” to the safety & security of the United States.

    The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff thinks the national debt is our primary security threat. Kristof who?

  30. Latest debt deal info I can glean:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/latest-debt-ceiling-crisis-reid-offer-25-trillion-deficit-reductions-and-not-tax-increases

    -BREAKING – NEW Dem. debt plan: Reid to offer at “least $2.5 Trillion” in deficit redux w/ no revenue increases, Dem. source tells CNN.

    -NEW REID PLAN: “At least $2.5 T in deficit redux” w/ no revenue increases. BUT, unclear what baseline he’s using and what he’d cut.

    -REID PLAN: Dem aide tells our @tedbarrettcnn they think it meets GOP call for dollar-for-dollar spending cuts with debt increase.

    So maybe the pressure is working. Or the Dems are reading the handwriting on the polls and realizing that the public doesn’t want any tax increases.

    Or maybe they’re setting the stage for another Obama tantrum tomorrow when he demands some tax increases; because of the fairness.

  31. monday tantrums are way better than thursday tantrums
    tuesday tantrums are full of grace
    wenesdays tantrum is the one ya gotta look out 4, it’s full of woe

  32. Fridays tantrum has faaaaar to go.

  33. after all this drama Boehnerpussy just says ok spend spend spend away?

    I hope the caucus is telling him to get fucked.

  34. Kristof who?

    Nikita.

  35. S&P 500 futures fell at the open of electronic trading as investors grew increasingly worried at the lack of progress. The benchmark S&P was down 1 percent, or 14 points, to 1326.00.

    omfg the market’s in goddamn free fall

    save yourselves

  36. in unrelated news
    moby just released an acoustic album{cd?]
    titled “plink,plink christmas muppet tantrum”

  37. jump,
    you two !
    plink, plink !!

  38. pete seeger just had a tantrum in commie heaven
    meanwhile- the deliverance banjo guy reamained calm

  39. yowza,
    i just had
    an eleventrum.

  40. murtnat mrs. torrance
    murtnat,murtnat-murtnat!

  41. Quite.

  42. Reuters hits the SELL, SELL, SELL button first today

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/24/businesspro-us-markets-global-idUSTRE76N2XJ20110724

    No surprises there.

  43. There’s some discussion today on the left about Elizabeth Drew’s What were they thinking?. Here’s the start

    Someday people will look back and wonder, What were they thinking? Why, in the midst of a stalled recovery, with the economy fragile and job creation slowing to a trickle, did the nation’s leaders decide that the thing to do—in order to raise the debt limit, normally a routine matter—was to spend less money, making job creation all the more difficult

    Does it never occur to her to ask why the economy is stalled? Does she really think that the economy is stalled because the government is not spending enough money? Does she have an economics degree? Our economy is stalled because of the mindless gushering of money. What they were thinking is that to get the economy to recover, maybe we should slow down the gusher.

  44. The GOP’s Wild Plan To Avoid U.S. Default Is To “Pay China First”
    [...]
    “I intend to introduce legislation that would require the Treasury to make interest payments on our debt its first priority in the event that the debt ceiling is not raised,” Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) wrote in a Friday Wall Street Journal op-ed.
    [...]
    [T]his idea is unworkable,” said Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin in a statement. “It would not actually prevent default, since it would seek to protect only principal and interest payments, and not other legal obligations of the U.S., from non-payment. Adopting a policy that payments to investors should take precedence over other U.S. legal obligations would merely be default by another name, since the world would recognize it as a failure by the U.S. to stand behind its commitments.

    Another moron who works for more morons spouting moronic propaganda talking points that redefine “default” to fit their political needs. Low, low, low.

    Meanwhile China takes on a different face.

  45. ms. drew like leftard mr. radosh or frum have nothing intelligent or interesting to offer in this discussion except the decrepit philosophy that is dying as we watch.

  46. we really should be asking baracky & co. which obligations they plan on defaulting on. for the children or granny or peking.

  47. “since the world would recognize it as a failure by the U.S. to stand behind its commitments.”

    yea the world really cares if we stiff grandma on ss./sarc off they care if we stiff peking or other bond holders.

  48. For a Party that marched out the subject of “Kitchen Table Issues” they don’t seem to have any clue what gets discussed at real kitchen tables when the household budget get tight. Hint the gym membership, the fruitbasket of the month club, even the cable TV may have to go so you can still pay the mortgage, the car payment and the electric bill. Priorities, fiscal triage.

  49. Someday people will look back and wonder, What were they thinking? Why, in the midst of a stalled recovery, with the economy fragile and job creation slowing to a trickle, did the nation’s leaders decide that the thing to do—in order to raise the debt limit, normally a routine matter—was to spend less money, making job creation all the more difficult

    And of course, by “spend less money,” she means that the government must spend less money. Which, I guess it never occurs to her that when the government spends less, we, the people, spend less (or, if you prefer, are not having more of our money spent by government); but whereas that means the government has less, we as individuals actually have more, and owe that much less!

    And when we have more, we spend more, and invest more, and the market moves and creates jobs to match need.

    Somebody send the bitch a pie chart.

  50. yowza,
    i just had
    an helen twelvetrees.

    or maybe
    it was an
    helen wheels.

    whichever, the earth moved.

  51. Only time for one comment tonight.

    In line with what geoffb said in #7:
    From the comments:

    “We are being played. Debt limit has expired with no ill effect on markets for each of the past three occasions in my lifetime. There is about $200 billion of tax cash flow coming in monthly, and $29 to service the debt. Add to that Social Security, Medicare, payments to military personnel, including veterans benefits, there is still $66 billion left over for other things.
    A REAL PRESIDENT would have prepared and publicly announced a plan case the limit was not raised. A real president would have calmed seniors and others reliant on government income, and had put an announced plan on the table for other departments. Our Jester in Chief chooses another path, one of destructive games aimed through encounter group tested buzzwords at his re-election hopes.
    Any losses are at the feet of Obama. It is what he wants, and we the fools allow him to continue to get away with it.”

    I like the cut of this fella’s jibe!

    Carry On Outlaws!

  52. Chart not withstanding, pie, yum.

  53. Gotta say, this has to be the most boring Asian apocalypse ever.

  54. Hmmmph. The markets likely have this little bit of ‘debt twitchery’ reactionism baked in already. They are a tad more sophisticated than these ‘Rain Dancing’ Democrats realize.

    Note I said ‘the markets’, not meaning individual investors… )

  55. What, no giant radioactive lizards this time, either? Damnit Japan, get your act together!

  56. kinda funny watching baracky looking for the next crisis to exploit.

  57. I was at least hoping for footage of traders jumping over their desks and attacking one another with swords.

    Sorta funny, the Dems are still getting their headlines even though the reaction was a big yawn.

    This is why most people don’t take those jokers seriously. They always have an explanation for random movements in the market. Can always get that one quote from some random analyst or another.

    Makes me wonder why they don’t become traders and cash in on their incredible insight. They’re amazing selfless individuals, I guess.

  58. #50- gee, i thought the guy from the ‘flock of seagulls’ was a good keyboard player but
    after watching linda mcartney tickle, i now see why paul married her

  59. Me?

    I’m safely ensconsed.

  60. Pay no attention to “Me?”

    Even more safely.

  61. From Elizabeth Drew’s essay (p2)…

    According to a report in The Hill newspaper in late June, the tough-minded, experienced, and blunt Democratic Representative Henry Waxman of California told Obama in a White House meeting that he’d asked several Republicans about their meeting with him the day before, and, “To a person, they said the President’s going to cave.” Then the congressman said to the President of the United States, “And if you’re going to cave, tell us right now.” The President was reported to have been displeased, and responded, “I’m the President of the United States; my words carry weight.”

    Heh. I can smell petulance.

    Keep saying that so’s someone will believe you, Mr. “I WON!”.

  62. White House Confirms It Will Likely Sign Any Debt Deal Congress Sends.
    [...]
    In an accidental moment of honesty, White House Deputy Press Secretary Dan Pfeiffer today admitted on Twitter that President Obama will likely sign any debt deal Congress sends his way. This revelation came in an exchange with Stephen Gutowski, the blogger known as The College Politico. Gutowski asked Pfeiffer: “Do you see a scenario where the house & senate pass a deal but the President doesn’t sign it?” and Pfeiffer responded: “No, bc only something that has R and D support can pass both bodies”.

  63. something weird is going on
    i was just thinking of the maginot line
    i really was- don’t know why- it just popped in my head
    and the penguin posted a video of some banjo player singing ‘maginot line’
    i am really scared

  64. why paul married her

    i heard
    she gave
    good hedge.

  65. “No, bc only something that has R and D support can pass both bodies”.”

    nail the bastard

  66. now thinking of kill bill vol. 1 where that oh so cute japanese girl ‘go-go’ the one with the metal ball and the plaid skirt was sucking down a big bottle of wine[?] and the jap guy asks her”what do u think of ferraris?” and she replies”italian trash”- if anyone is thinking the same, more a less, thinghouston, we have a problem

  67. In a conference call with rank-and-file GOP House members on Sunday afternoon, Boehner, R-Ohio, said the House and Senate were nearing agreement on a six-month solution, according to one participant. Democrats have consistently ruled out such time-limited agreements. Boehner said he was ready to proceed with that short-term deal, without Obama’s sign-off, the participant said.

    (RELATED: Boehner Prepared to Offer Six-Month Debt Plan)

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., met at the White House for a little over an hour Sunday evening. The meeting started shortly before 6 p.m., roughly an hour after the first of the Asian global markets opened. Boehner on Saturday had asked for a debt framework before then, intended to give the Asian markets time to process a last-ditch bid to ward off the market turmoil.

    Reid said he brought to Obama a proposal for $2.7 trillion in spending cuts as part of a debt-ceiling deal, seeking Obama’s approval, according to a statement. A White House official said Pelosi and Reid updated Obama on congressional negotiations and “reiterated” their shared opposition to short-term debt limit increases.

    “Tonight, talks broke down over Republicans’ continued insistence on a short-term raise of the debt ceiling, which is something that President Obama, Leader Pelosi, and I have been clear we would not support,” Reid said. “Speaker Boehner’s plan, no matter how he tries to dress it up, is simply a short-term plan, and is therefore a non-starter in the Senate and with the president.”

    link

  68. I was thinking of the five point palm death thingy. Does that count?

  69. i am not now thinking of bjork
    but u are

  70. the 5 point palm thingy counts as much as uma ploinking out darryl hannahs other eye
    he’s a pretty good director,tho some of his shit is lame
    he’s got an ear about people talk, like elmore leonard-
    just my opinion

  71. frog pussy!
    (slap shot)

  72. {swoosie kurtz}
    i will wait

  73. now not thinking about grace kelly in ” to catch a thief’ in that outstanding, breathtaking black and white outfit where she met cary grant in the lobby of that swank hotel
    nope-not me-un ungh,nope-i’m not

  74. A White House official said Pelosi and Reid updated Obama on congressional negotiations and “reiterated” their shared opposition to short-term debt limit increases.

    “Tonight, talks broke down over Republicans’ continued insistence on a short-term raise of the debt ceiling, which is something that President Obama, Leader Pelosi, and I have been clear we would not support,” Reid said. “Speaker Boehner’s plan, no matter how he tries to dress it up, is simply a short-term plan, and is therefore a non-starter in the Senate and with the president.”

    Ok let’s play deconstruct this statement. Since Nov. 1975 there have been 40 votes to increase the debt ceiling. The average time between votes is 9 months 10 days. But we can also look at the partisan side of these votes. From Jan 1995 when the Republicans got control of Congress to Jan. 2007 when they lost it there were 6 votes to increase the debt ceiling. Average time between votes was 22 months 25 days. During the time from Nov. 1975 to Jan. 1995 and Jan. 2007 to the present day there have been 34 votes to raise the debt ceiling on the Democrats watch. Average time between votes 7 months. Shortest time between votes 1 week.

    The suggestion that Democrats want there to be a long time between debt ceiling votes is a lie. Table is below, information from Wiki here.

    November 14, 1975 595 +18
    4 months
    March 15, 1976 627 +32
    3 months
    June 30, 1976 636 +9
    3 months
    September 30, 1976 682 +46
    6 months
    April 1, 1977 700 +18
    6 months
    October 4, 1977 752 +52
    10 months
    August 3, 1978 798 +46
    8 months
    April 2, 1979 830 +32
    6 months
    September 29, 1979 879[135] +49
    9 months
    June 28, 1980 925 +46
    6 months
    December 19, 1980 935 +10
    2 months
    February 7, 1981 985 +50
    7 months
    September 30, 1981 1,079 +94
    9 months
    June 28, 1982 1,143 +64
    3 months
    September 30, 1982 1,290.2 +147.2
    8 months
    May 26, 1983 1,389 +98.8
    6 months
    November 21, 1983 1,490 +101
    6 months
    May 25, 1984 1,520 +30
    2 weeks
    June 6, 1984 1,573 +53
    4 months
    October 13, 1984 1,823 +250
    13 months
    November 14, 1985 1,903.8 +80.8
    1 month
    December 12, 1985 2,078.7 +174.9
    8 months
    August 21, 1986 2,111 +32.3
    2 months
    October 21, 1986 2,300 +189
    7 months
    May 15, 1987 2,320 +20
    3 months
    August 10, 1987 2,352 +32
    2 months
    September 29, 1987 2,800 +448
    22 months
    August 7, 1989 2,870 +70
    3 months
    November 8, 1989 3,122.7 +252.7
    9 months
    August 9, 1990 3,195 +72.3
    3 months
    October 28, 1990 3,230 +35
    1 week
    November 5, 1990 4,145 +915
    28 months
    April 6, 1993 4,370 +225
    4 months
    August 10, 1993 4,900 +530
    31 months
    March 29, 1996 5,500 +600
    16 months
    August 5, 1997 5,950 +450
    58 months
    June 11, 2002 6,400 +450
    12 months
    May 27, 2003 7,384 +984
    18 months
    November 16, 2004 8,184 +800
    16 months
    March 20, 2006 8,965[138] +781
    17 months
    September 29, 2007 9,815 +850
    8 months
    June 5, 2008 10,615 +800
    4 months
    October 3, 2008 11,315 +700
    4 months
    February 17, 2009 12,104 +789
    10 months
    December 24, 2009 12,394 +290
    2 months
    February 12, 2010 14,294 +1,900

  75. Boehner should tell the press that Reid, et al, don’t like the short term plan. Nor the long-term plan passed by the House, that the Senate voted not to vote on.

    Then he should say he’s taking some time off to go golfing, and that he’ll be back August 3rd, and they can resume talks then. Because he’s done.

  76. Republicans have gained a 10 point lead over Democrats in Rasmussen Reports latest national survey on who the public most trusts to deal effectively with economic issues.

    The 10 point lead is the widest margin held by either party in months and has opened up in recent weeks as President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner have become the central players in the debate over how to deal with the approaching debt-ceiling crisis.

    Could probably double that if they would take your advice.

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  78. Obama II: Be afraid, be very afraid.

    “The core difference between 2008 and 2012 is going to be the politics of hope, which we saw in 2008, versus the politics of fear in 2012. They won’t call it that, but so much of this campaign in terms of driving turnout among all these groups, is going to be about making the Republican alternative totally unacceptable.”

    I remember clearly the uplifting campaign against McCain/Palin. Why I can see it right from my front porch as I hold my little one in my arms. You betcha.

    Bring it on Bambi.

  79. New Timmuh defends Old Timmuh.

  80. 77. geoffb posted on 7/24 @ 10:56 pm

    Yeoman’s work geoff. Thanks.

  81. The thing that most sticks in my head from the weekend dance of the debt-ceiling story is the mention on the FNC Sunday show that the House has a mechanism under reconciliation rules to get whatever Boehner and Co. cook up next to the floor of the Senate for an up or down vote requiring a mere 51 votes for passage. With 47 Senators, the Republicans only need 4 defectors from among the Senate Dems. Faced later in the week with the certainty a no vote would bring on the bullshit market terror story the Dems have been peddling, I’m not at all sure Harry Reid can hold his caucus together, so there’s a decent chance the House two phase solution will go to Obama’s desk.

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