Poor David Epstein. Just another victim of right wing fundamentalists pushing their hate-polluted values (derived from a mythological Jew teaching ancient Jewish mythology!) in order to turn the U.S. into a theocracy.
How they were able to railroad the good professor but lose N.Y. 26, I’ll never understand.
I’m waiting for them to disconnect my Direct TV for non-payment. I’ve started drooling out the side of my mouth because it’s hanging open so long watching TV news stations
Just another victim of right wing fundamentalists pushing their hate-polluted values (derived from a mythological Jew teaching ancient Jewish mythology!) in order to turn the U.S. into a theocracy.
That’s less funny to me after reading some of those links and comments at RSM’s.
They were both adults.
She was an adult during all of this so why wasn’t she charged with incest as well?
And if they’re consenting adults, why do we care?
Sometimes I have an actual desire to force other people to go to church even if I don’t want anyone to do the same to me.
Now as I recall, those opposed to SSM who brought up that exact argument have been attacked as EVIL H8trs for daring to broach what “the *right* of any adult to have their sexual relationship[s] with any other adult[s] sanctioned by the government” really means.
I take the point broadly. I wonder though, is nuclear family incest universally banned? It seems to me that it is. Just found a reference to it in Hammurabi’s Code, btw. (Punishment is exile in case you were wondering.)
Seems an innate condition of man to find it repulsive and requiring punishment. Which makes rather obvious genetic sense, of course.
154. If a man be guilty of incest with his daughter, he shall be driven from the place (exiled).
155. If a man betroth a girl to his son, and his son have intercourse with her, but he (the father) afterward defile her, and be surprised, then he shall be bound and cast into the water (drowned).
156. If a man betroth a girl to his son, but his son has not known her, and if then he defile her, he shall pay her half a gold mina, and compensate her for all that she brought out of her father’s house. She may marry the man of her heart.
157. If any one be guilty of incest with his mother after his father, both shall be burned.
I want to know when the femenists are going to start picketing the university, until Epstein is fired. I’ll bet the hunger strikes are being planned right now…NOT!
My guess here is that in the latter case, your property has disrespected you. (Cattle rustling or horse stealing may be a better analogy here, with the addendum that the cattle was a willing accomplice). Unlike in the former case, where you’re responsible for disrespecting the community by devaluing the market of marriagable females within the community (i.e. more analogous to the guy who can’t or won’t maintain his house and yard and lowers everybody’s property values).
Well, not right right but ancient Babylonian right.
I suspect that there are any number of imams between the Hindu Kush and the Horn of Africa to whom it makes perfect sense and whom would be only too happy to explain it to you, should you care to join their madrassah.
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This is just a distraction.
/progressive speak
Now, now, attempted incest is only newsworthy when it’s someone on the right who gets caught attempting it.
That he didn’t get his daughter a little pregnant. THAT would have been harder to ignore.
Not sure what happened to the “Thank God” in front of “That.”
Maybe Lot called in a favor.
OT: When I see the name “Lot,” I think of Lot’s wife in “Holy Moses,” where once she was turned into salt they scraped her for salt for their food.
Poor David Epstein. Just another victim of right wing fundamentalists pushing their hate-polluted values (derived from a mythological Jew teaching ancient Jewish mythology!) in order to turn the U.S. into a theocracy.
How they were able to railroad the good professor but lose N.Y. 26, I’ll never understand.
I’m waiting for them to disconnect my Direct TV for non-payment. I’ve started drooling out the side of my mouth because it’s hanging open so long watching TV news stations
Oh. Woody Allen part deux!
I think the media is too busy with the “Oh-Gawd-Ahhnold-cheated-on-Maria” scandal du jour.
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Now, now. Perhaps they (major news outlets) just see too huge an ick factor, making it unsuitable for general viewing.
Oh how I wish I could go back to those blissfully ignorant(of this story) times.
Oh well, at least he ain’t demanding to marry her…
That’s less funny to me after reading some of those links and comments at RSM’s.
Sometimes I have an actual desire to force other people to go to church even if I don’t want anyone to do the same to me.
“They were both adults.”
oh good rape is legal but not rape rape
I’m guessing the official story is that they waited to have sex until she was at age of consent.
Sorry: not buying it.
And if they’re consenting adults, why do we care?
Now as I recall, those opposed to SSM who brought up that exact argument have been attacked as EVIL H8trs for daring to broach what “the *right* of any adult to have their sexual relationship[s] with any other adult[s] sanctioned by the government” really means.
That’s less funny to me after reading some of those links and comments at RSM’s.
I did mean for that to be a bit double-edged, bh.
But only a bit.
I take the point broadly. I wonder though, is nuclear family incest universally banned? It seems to me that it is. Just found a reference to it in Hammurabi’s Code, btw. (Punishment is exile in case you were wondering.)
Seems an innate condition of man to find it repulsive and requiring punishment. Which makes rather obvious genetic sense, of course.
Speaking of which, try to figure out the logic with these various laws:
It’s all about property and inheritance.
Okay, yeah. That clears up 155 and 156.
The difference between 154 and 157 is sorta interesting.
Apparently they didn’t like motherfuckers.
Heh. For the win.
What?!? Just what is attempted incest? I mean, couldn’t he figure our where to insert it?
And really, no one is accusing him of being an incestuous perv; they’re just asking the question…
RSM might get a laugh out of that formulation, or, maybe not.
I want to know when the femenists are going to start picketing the university, until Epstein is fired. I’ll bet the hunger strikes are being planned right now…NOT!
Your daughter, like your wife, is your property.
But why is Hammarabi requiring you to burn your property? Shouldn’t you have the option of selling her into slavery after enjoying the son bonfire?
I don’t think this Hammy fellow respects property rights.
In this case, something like professional courtesy. The ruling class knows it’s own.
Double entendre fully intended.
My guess here is that in the latter case, your property has disrespected you. (Cattle rustling or horse stealing may be a better analogy here, with the addendum that the cattle was a willing accomplice). Unlike in the former case, where you’re responsible for disrespecting the community by devaluing the market of marriagable females within the community (i.e. more analogous to the guy who can’t or won’t maintain his house and yard and lowers everybody’s property values).
Obviously I’m spitballing here.
Just because I’m spitballing though doesn’t mean that I’m completely off the mark.
Sounds about right to me actually.
Well, not right right but ancient Babylonian right.
I suspect that there are any number of imams between the Hindu Kush and the Horn of Africa to whom it makes perfect sense and whom would be only too happy to explain it to you, should you care to join their madrassah.