You know something? I’m beginning to think this thing isn’t coming!
Meanwhile, Stacy McCain is beginning to ask questions.
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Oh well. At the end of the day, all you have is your integrity. Frey and many other have sold, bartered or simply rationalized theirs away. OUTLAW, as they say.
I’m trying to remember if I ever had any email conversations with bloggers about other bloggers while the “about” bloggers were still blogging.
Other than for purposes of laughing at them behind their backs, that is.
Daleks.
Fucking Daleks.
Patterico!
Patterico!
The cease and desist letter is in the mail! Yeah, that’s the ticket.
I can’t recall ever having a backchannel conversation about a blogger with another blogger. Maybe once about that Steve Gilliard idiot, before he had the good sense to die. I know I’ve never talked on the DL about an ostensibly allied blogger with another blogger. Until this.
There was one fellow commenter at Dodd Harris’ erstwhile blog Ipse Dixit, whom Dodd and I discussed in a couple of exchanges after Dodd ended his blog. Technically the commenter was a blogger but nobody I knew read it and I think it was gone by then too.
But come to think of it all I did in my exchanges with Dodd was laugh at the other guy behind his back, so…
I never got the hang of playing people against each other.that way. Probably just one more reason I’m not a lawyer. Or a hairdresser.
OT but kinda on the topic of trying to introduce OUTRAGE over commonly used terms (plus it comes with READER POLL action) And the Aussies try to equate climate change denier with another kind of denier.
link
Rénaud’s “friend’s” “attorney,” when reached for comment today, said “‘To my dying day, I’ll never understand how this Goldstein fellow was able to sneak in and steal the next day’s outgoing mail, as well as the file copy, the copy on my computer’s hard disk, the copy off of the server, the off-site back-up copy….”
Hey, the man who has the power to steal your dreams will find it quite easy to steal mundane physical objects.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go dream about Frey naked. Take THAT Goldstein.
I found a C&D letter to one “Jeff Goldstein” stuffed in the butt of an Iraqi who had surrendered to a news crew. It was wrapped in a map that listed the location of stolen Kuwaiti gold.
Frey’s friend Dustin is over at McCain’s repeating the same old lies about me over and over.
What a lying little coward that fuck is.
Shaitan: I might believe that story if it were amended to:
Otherwise, not so much.
Shaitan, I feel obligated to tell you that you got me, but good. I’m thankful that I was not engaged with a beverage because I’d have lost it. Well played, sir.
I’m surprised Dustin doesn’t get separation anxiety when he removes his tongue from Frey’s balls to go elsewhere.
Thing is, he doesn’t make a case, at all. He’s not helping. Frey, that is.
Saw that, Jeff. The non-sequitors used to get his splooge on was… butt hurtful. For him.
#16–That seems to sum it up.
He’s a real piece of work. I’m being kind.
If you see nine comments over there from me, it’s because this goddam hotel WIFI is fubared and blocking Mcain’s comment system.
What I want to say is:(in reply to Dustin’s odd reply to my comment on Stacey’s post)
YOU HAVEN’T ANSWERED MY QUESTION, YOU RACISTY RACIST FROM RACIST WORLD! RACIST!
Went and took a look at the RSM thread. From the dullard named Dustin:
He actually called them accusations. Not questions. Not queries.
He did this himself. Without prompting. This kid is smart. It’s gotta suck having allies who give the game away every five minutes.
Dustin’s a tool. He’s citing that comment I made at like 2 in the morning long ago (bh was online at the time I think) reacting to Frey’s sudden suggestion my blogging and the positions I take are all about conning you all into giving me money (something he’s mentioned on at least three occasions). I showed Frey in that comment just how easy it is to turn his accusation into a charge of Jew-baiting. But then — not wanting to leave the charge up there — I MYSELF removed the comment.
The only reason the comment’s content exists anywhere to be quoted today is that Frey copied it and saved it, then brought it out months later in a new context to suggest that I “play the race card.” Now, again, let me make this clear: I removed the comment myself. It was up for maybe 5-10 minutes, early in the morning, at a couple hundred comments into a thread.
So proof that I play the race card is that I removed a reply to Frey’s attack on me as a moneygrubber.
But here’s the thing. I removed it because I didn’t want to make what could be considered false accusations. I worried people would take it out of context. Frey, though, kept it. Like a trump card. Who does that? No more than 5 people would have ever seen the comment if he hadn’t saved it to trot it out in a new context.
Truth is, I don’t know Frey personally. Maybe he is an antisemite, who knows? I have no proof, so I withdrew the accusation, tongue in cheek and pointed linguistically as it was.
Frey, on the other hand, has accused me publicly of committing crimes. More than once.
Dustin’s idea of proving that I Google Bombed Frey is to cite these comments that aren’t anywhere on line. Instead, what exists are two posts where I most POINTEDLY DID NOT call Frey an antisemite. He conflates them. And doesn’t think anyone will notice.
Because he’s a liar and a coward.
It’s starting to fade on me — hey, we don’t all take screen caps every minute — but I’m not sure that I didn’t make the joke first. Yes, joke. I think it’s an obvious, almost unavoidable joke to turn that gambit around given the taunting of Jeff as a devious donation hunter over there.
They spent all that time thinking about how we should be careful about what we say and then they (some, not all) talk about Jeff cleverly parting his victims from their money.
Sorry, but the satirical retort was the obvious play. If they didn’t think so, they shouldn’t have gone on and on about how important it is to never be taken wrong and how easy it would be to avoid it with more judicious word choices.
Perhaps, then, someone other than me should answer Dustin on this point. That way, next time (and by that I mean the next hundred times) he makes the “accusation,” I can just point out that he’s already been answered on the point, and link to it.
I seem to recall we went through all this before with Frey himself. Apparently, he never passed along that part of the history to Dustin, et al.
I left a comment. As you suggest, I doubt it will influence him at all.
I just read the comments, except for Dustin’s because I couldn’t see a reason to waste my time. Some things never change. Anyway, there is no getting through to him, which is fine, but others might see and learn, so it’s worth the effort I think.
comment thing still isn’t working for me over there, so…
Since I can’t reply to your reply of my reply, here’s how I know you’re high.
I was there too.
If we use Patterico’s/Beldar’s/etc logic, Jeff was merely reacting to an obviously anti-semitic statement made by Patterico. Maybe Patterico is an anti-semite, maybe not, the statement obviously was, even if Patterico never mentioned Jeff’s religion, since that’s how Jeff interpreted it, and having a Jewish surname he’s really in the best position to do that interpreting.
Patterico demanded McCain clarify his statements around a statement that Patterico concluded was racist while simultaneously reassuring the world that Stacey McCain was not, in fact, racist. He just makes obvious racist statements. In other words, he’s a racist.
For about ten years Jeff has been posting on what happens when language is misused. He’s done post after post skewering the way the proponents of identity politics, feminism, social justice and political correctness use language theory to try and change the way people think. Oftentimes, he’ll take an argument and reverse it, or take words out of context to illustrate a point, it is usually funny. I would assume that at some point, when arguing with someone, TRIGGER WORDS, might appear on screen, and the first reaction would be to respond the way Jeff did. Seems to me the first time Jeff did this to Patterico over what could be interpreted as an anti-semitic slur, he back tracked, said he had gone too far.
Fast forward to Patterico’s demand that RSM, who is clearly not a racist even though he says racist things, clarify his statements around a statement so awful that “several of [Patterico’s] commenters who have expressed admiration for [RSM’s] work are starting to wonder about [RSM]”. Patterico is quick to point out, he doesn’t think RSM is racist. In fact, while not saying specifically that RSM is not a racist, he very specifically does not say that RSM is a racist.
So what is it do you think those unnamed commentators are wondering? Can RSM drive real fast? Does he have a neck beard? Is he really a carrot? Does he cheat at bocce? WHATEVER COULD IT BE TO MAKE THEM WONDER? WHAT IS THE QUESTION THEY PONDER?
Now, given that Patterico accused Jeff of playing the race card because of that comment I mentioned earlier, do you think Jeff’s conflation of the RSM situation and the “may or may not be an anti-semite” situation valid ?
Let me guess…
If someone could dump that up at RSM’s I’d be obliged. Don’t feel you have to, but it’s been sitting on my phone for a couple of hours with the damn wheel spinning and I want it gone.
All links go to Little Miss Attila’s.
Dustin is definitely a Sycophant First Class; he answered the “your ass/hole in the ground” question with, “Pat doesn’t fuck a hole in the ground.”
I resemble that description, McGehee.
But then again, so does that whiny little Kimmitt thingy. So maybe it’s not me.
Not you, nor Kimmitt (which, I don’t actually remember that one). Rather, I refer to Bret — not to be confused with Brent.
Oh, jeez. I remember.
You and I go back a ways, don’t we. Not saying we’re old, mind you.
It may be that I’m remembering Kimmitt from old Balloon Juice days. You know, way back before John Cole went mad.
When you announced your blog and adopted your current handle, I believe I was the first — at Ipse Dixit anyway — to catch on to why you chose the handle.
And if I remember correctly, that was on a thread about pseudonymous blogging.
…or at least, to say it out loud. Heh.
…to why you chose the handle.
Penchant for fjords?
Daleks?
Those slow-moving salt shakers with the psycho voices?
Climb some stairs: that’ll show ’em.
my recollection is that I was the one who first posited the notion at PW that – using the same Freisian logic that Patrick applied to Stacey McCain’s syntax, to me, Patrick Frey’s use of “money grubbing” had a waft of anti-Semitism.
Mine wasn’t a unique observation. But it was independent of any of Jeff’s influence – that I know of.
But, then, Jeff’s – you know – a Jew *and* a Classical Liberal.
Perhaps not in that order.
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Squid: think “pseudonymous blogging.” Think when the fictional Slartibartfast first introduced himself to Arthur.
Dicentra, you didn’t see the Ninth Doctor episode “Dalek,” did you?
…and I wonder how many different British-originated skiffy memes we can keep adding to this thread?
He’s even won awards for them…
Dustin is overwhelmed by all of this, as most Patterico readers are. They can’t just accept Patterico’s mendouchiness yet. They need to go through the five stages of Patterico:
1. Denial. Pat is a good man.
2. Anger. How dare you attack Pat!
3. Bargaining. Well Pat just does what he does because Jeff provokes him.
4. Depression. Why have I been wasting my life here at Patterico’s Pontifications?
5. Acceptance. Hey, this Protein Wisdom site is actually making a lot of sense…
Belgium!
Sorry for using that word, hope no one was offended.
“My name is not important”.
Dicentra, you didn’t see the Ninth Doctor episode “Dalek,” did you?
Yes, I did, and I’m not impressed. They’re still the lamest villains on this or any other planet. What, they can’t hook up their eggbeater attachment to a massive power source and nuke an entire world in one go?
You want good villains, gimme the vashta nerada, the Family of Blood, or the weeping angels.
Or even Cassandra the trampoline. At least she could gross you out to death.
But what can you expect from Daleks? They showed up on the second episode evar of DW, back in the Awful British Soundstage Acoustics days. They can’t help but suck.
Ever see the Sandbaggers?
The Larch.
Two inches to the right of a Very Naughty Bit indeed.
Squid: Is Jeff crazy?
“Doc” Frei: Of course he is. He has to be crazy to keep threatening people after all the blowback he’s had.
Squid: But he says he hasn’t.
“Doc” Frei: Hasn’t what?
Squid: Threatened people.
“Doc” Frei: Of course he has! Everyone knows it!
Squid: That’s because you keep telling them.
“Doc” Frei: Well, sure. But that’s just because everyone tells me.
Squid: Why don’t you prove it? Tell everyone who it is that’s telling you.
“Doc” Frei: I can, but first he has to ask me.
Squid: That’s all he’s gotta do to get proof?
“Doc” Frei: That’s all.
Squid: Then you can provide proof?
“Doc” Frei: No. Then I can NOT provide proof.
Squid: Come again?
“Doc” Frei: There’s a catch!
Squid: A catch?
“Doc” Frei: Sure. Catch-22. The only reason to ask for proof of your violent insanity would be to spread more insane violence. And as an officer of the court, I can’t facilitate such violence.
Squid: OK, let me see if I’ve got this straight. In order to demonstrate Jeff’s insanity, you need evidence. And Jeff wants to see your evidence that he’s violent and insane. But if Jeff asks for proof, that means he must be crazy, which means you can’t give him the evidence?
“Doc” Frei: You got it, that’s Catch-22.
Squid: Whoo… That’s some catch, that Catch-22.
“Doc” Frei: It’s the best there is.
BumperStickerist, here and here.
Perhaps then you too can report this to Dustin, BS, to help him have his “accusations” more completely answered.
Thing is, I know we’ve had this same conversation before. They simply ignore the testimony and keep right on repeating the accusation as if it has never been addressed.
Like Jake Shannon, kind of.
Looks as if Timmah has made an appearance over at McCain’s. You’ll be relieved to know that he still thinks you’re just awful, Jeff.
By the way. I can be an asshole, sure. But I’m not an asshole as a general rule.
There’s no real point to engaging in a discussion with Dustin, from my point of view – which is in the cheap seats, a mere groundling, I.
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I am impressed with people’s abilities to recall perceived slights and indignations on teh intertrons from years and years ago. Makes me not so optimistic that the actual slights and indignations over thousands of years in the Middle East will be as easily solvable as Obama-ists might have us believe.
Timmah is a creepy stalkerish fucker, to be sure.
The Larch
… The Larch
Jeff G. posted on 3/24 @ 10:39 am
By the way. I can be an asshole, sure. But I’m not an asshole as a general rule.
You have the power to be an asshole Jeff when the need arises.
Jeff, I’d suggest you amend your statement to read “I’ve been told I can be a real asshole.” Otherwise you risk posting actionable claims, which might result in your bringing suit against yourself. With the updated formulation, you can simply refuse to tell yourself who it is that told you, while still loudly making the claim.
WINNING!
“Thing is, I know we’ve had this same conversation before. They simply ignore the testimony and keep right on repeating the accusation as if it has never been addressed.”
It’s performance art of everything you have said about the danger of allowing language to be corrupted.
Ignore the actual facts, and just keep repeating the reinterpretation of the facts until a consensus of reasonable people accept the false as truth.
Jeff: Frey used a false dichotomy by suggesting McCain used a racist argument and at the same time allowed that racism wasn’t necessary for that to happen.
Frey: It could be unconscious racism, I’m not saying McCain is a racist.
Jeff: You don’t understand how language works.
Frey: I know more than you! You have a stupid “theory” that is self contradictory, and you’re just doing this for money!
Jeff: Much long, patient, reasoned argument.
Frey: You’re crazy!
Jeff: No, really, let me show you how it works. Remember you said I, a Jew, did this just for money? Someone could take that as a racist slur, so by your thinking, you may or may not be anti-Semite, because a third person could interpret your words to mean you are anti-Semite regardless of your intent.
Frey: DEATH THREAT!
Just sent this to the LA County DDA SI:
I, for one, can practically hear Jeff’s “…boy.” at end of the sentence.
And Jeff’s use of “Thanks” – more like “Thanks … or else.” I’d say.
Or, more precisely, Patrick will say.
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Well, I finally made it through the whole pub post of Pablo’s – my oh my… what a revealing moment that was. That is some seriously messed up stuff… “I know people” indeed.
Went through the RSM post too – that Dustin fellow is not so blind as he won’t see, hmmm?
Reply from LA DA SI:
I have forwarded this response off to an attorney.
Well, it’s something, Jeff, and you did your due diligence I think by not allowing the incident to pass without comment. I understand that letting things like this slide can be used against you in the future. Then again, our system of jurisprudence little resembles how it started a few hundred years ago.
So you notify them of potential, and actionable, accusations of criminal activity being made by one of their employees, and their response is “Thanks for calling! We’ll keep your letter in that nice circular file cabinet next to our desk, and call you if we happen to find anything we think you should know about. Until then, FOAD. Sincerely, SEIU Local #714.”?
As I said before, there are attorneys who would take this on spec for a cut of the settlement…
Is timmah really making fun of my math skills? It’s hard to tell.
I wonder what it’s like having cartoons of the real world serve in place of reality?
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/blog-wars.html
I do not think RSM reposted this link, but it is a pretty good commentary on Patterico’s “asking questions” campaign.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/take-it-from-me-interracial-man-in.html
This link is in the link above but it is well worth re-reading.
Wake me up when the letter gets here……….or when dinner’s ready. Whichever.
It is a good thing Mueller you are not conditioning dinner on getting the C+D letter first, or you would start getting mighty hungry.
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