For those interested.
My own take is this: we shouldn’t have elected this guy because he wasn’t equipped for the job — and everything about him told us that he would be a far-left ideologue, not the “pragmatist” he pretended to be.
Anything else was simply piling on.
(thanks to Alan)
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update: On the other hand…
Dude. Pick an answer and stick with it. For the love of poi.
next 2 years should be “fun”
The president’s missing birth certificate is in the crosshairs.
Neil Abercrombie looks like a Dr. Seuss character.
I have to say the Obamas were pretty on the ball to run that birth annoucement for him in the Honolulu papers on August 4, 1961. Because they knew a child born to a black African exchange student and a white Kansas mom in Hawaii was going to be President of the United States.
I’ve never really understood why his birth certificate would matter as far as citizenship. He popped out of a skeezy Kansas Marxist vagina, that has to trump popping out of a skeezy Mexican vagina what stumbled across the border first.
He completes us!
Abe, it does not mean anything. You want the dirt on Obama, someone dig up his college applications.
I never got why this is an issue, and now I wonder why it’s still out there except to give Obama an out if he decides being president is too hard for him. He’s already pretty whiny about it. The poofter.
I’m dying to see his transcripts.
Birther-taunting will be re-election icing for BHO, of the flea circus variety. I’m thinking BHO’s holding the ‘real’ cert close to his chest, waiting for as many soft, squishy targets as he can attract to gather in a group, then at the perfect moment he’ll produce it and make many people look like angry fools. It’s an Alinsky subroutine, I’m sure of it.
I haven’t given it any real attention or thought. But evidently lots of people feel there’s something of value to seeing the thing — and Obama hasn’t been particularly forthcoming with a lot of his documentation from the years before he was polished and readied for public consumption.
America is a land of immigrants, all come here to realize the American dream. It’s a spiritual thing.
I don’t care if Obama was born on the very spot the Declaration of independence was signed, he ain’t no American in his heart.
He woulda punched Rev Wright in the kisser if he was, not had the man minister over his marriage and family.
Maybe Abercrombie should have somebody fax it to him from that Kinko’s in Abilene.
From the standpoint of his being stingy with documentation about his life, I can see why someone would care.
Yeah, I’m with McGehee. I’ll bet Lucy Ramirez has it.
When Monsterette 2.1 was born in KS, a “birth announcement” of the event ran in the Mound City, MO newspaper. Why? Because her great grandparents live there.
A birth announcement in a newspaper is not a statement that a child was born in a particular place, but that a child was born to parents who have some tie to the community where the newspaper is circulated.
It really galls me that whenever someone asks to see the long-form birth certificate (which shows the actual place of birth, such as the hospital name, the name of the attending physician, etc.) they are laughed off as some kind of nut. Either the Constitution matters or it doesn’t. The Left thinks it does not, and is mocking those who think it does. I get that. I do NOT get why “responsible” people on the alleged Right also treat Birfers like idiots.
serr8d posted on 1/19 @ 6:24 pm
Birther-taunting will be re-election icing for BHO, of the flea circus variety. I’m thinking BHO’s holding the ‘real’ cert close to his chest, waiting for as many soft, squishy targets as he can attract to gather in a group, then at the perfect moment he’ll produce it and make many people look like angry fools. It’s an Alinsky subroutine, I’m sure of it.
Bingo. I am sure Chrissy Matthews suggesting Obama show it is Chrissy playing the straight man (despite the leg tingles).
Allow me to attempt an answer.
That issue was dead the moment Obama was sworn into office. The issue serves no purpose now, at this junct-ure. It’s like flypaper, hanging there being unattractive.
Now, some who are ‘responsible’ might dispassionately support pushing the issue just a bit, for the re-election. But do have a care, it’s low-hanging fruit meant to make some look foolish.
I’m much more interested in seeing the real author of ‘Dreams’ exposed, whoever that might be.
Well Joe, perhaps it was as simple as that they wanted to ensure his American citizenship was never in question; regardless of his foreign daddy, who may or may not have been spouting on about him being Kenyan no matter where he was born (which Kenyan law stipulated at the time), or how his transnationalist wannabee-anything-other-than-a-ordinary-whitebread-Kansan Mama wanted. Thanks though for the near-automatic repetition of the popular lefty red-herring absurdity that would require the Grandparents “forseeing Obama running for President” in order to have placed an ordinary newspaper birth announcement.
Look, save for satisfying the Constitutional requirement, I don’t care about Obama’s place of birth; as long as it was in America.
I too would be more interested in seeing all of his college transcripts, aid application documents, and other related records.
And while no “birther” myself, I can see this being an easy lever for any opposing Democrat candidate to use on him in 2012.
but they said there was a for reals birth certificate and now it turns out they were lying
lying is bad
I do NOT get why “responsible” people on the alleged Right also treat Birfers like idiots.
The horse has left the barn. You really can’t understand Americans at all if you think a man is going to be run out of the White House on such a petty technicality. It’s public relations suicide.
Serr8d,
I mildly disagree. Although Obama’s not going to be run out of office over this, as Abe notes, there are states that passed legislation after the 2008 election that would compel candidates to prove they meet the qualifications in order to appear on future ballots.
So this may not be as big a non-issue for 2012. We’ll see.
I personally see this as being a high drama exit strategy for him to take should he choose; I can imaging the wailing and gnashing of teeth accompanying the cries of, “Those RAAAAAAAAACISTS! RAN THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OUT OF OFFICE ON A PETTY TECHNICALITY!11!1!OH, THE UNFAIRNESS!11!1!“.
A lot of PR mileage there, to be sure, providing they could use the fact that he already served one term to allow him a pass on satisfying the new laws requiring proof, and that they could convince enough folks that Constitutional requirements are petty technicalities….
I still think it may be a useful avenue to exploit by his competition among Democrats; either in public or behind the scenes. Especially now that Abercrombie’s announced so demonstratively that the long form cannot be found.
What’s that in your eyes, Barack ?
Is that an actual photo from the press conference Serr8d? Or did you p-shop that Obama face into the picture?
Either way, and as usual, it’s a pretty good creation!
The issue of the Obamas having to have anticipated their grandson was going to run for President to have run the birth announcement if he didn’t otherwise meet the constitutional requirements is easily put to rest. All they had to be concerned about was him being a US citizen. The immigration law at the time regarding someone born outside the US to one citizen parent and to one non-citizen parent required the citizen parent to have lived in the US five years prior to the birth since their 14th birthday. Obama’s mother was only eighteen at the time, so she hadn’t been on the planet 5 years since her 14th birthday – let alone in the US.
This doesn’t settle the issue definitively one way or the other, but it drives me nuts that supposedly authoritative commentators are allowed to repeat this claim without being called on it. It took me all of five minutes to Google the relevant 1962 immigration law.
That’s a real, live photo and currently up on Drudge.
It’s captured a moment.
Contrast with this photo, if you would.
Great post, Jeff.
Any of you who are still pretending to care about Arab liberty should look into OpTunisia.
We’re a wee bit worried about our own liberty at the moment.
– So then Barrett, is the true believer corp so desperate that only Tunisia’s total insurection/totalitarian rule, and anarchy is low enough to compare Bummblefuck with so he can look a tiny bit better than an all out disaster?
– Fail.
So Neil Abercrombie has now verified part of what was alleged at WND back in June 2010. This whole mess that was kicked off by the Clintons in the primary and continued by her people afterward is so, so weird. If some writer did it as a story it would be rejected for being unbelievable.
– No true Leftie would ever keep pursuing this as soon as it turned out no actual form could be found. Every damn one of them would sudden;y get amnesia.
– Makes you wonder which side Neil is actually on in this.
here’s a neat Tunisia slideshow
who’s the dude in the bandages he looks bad off
there’s actually a ton of questions what’s with the bread? How long did the guy with the gun-looking thing live? Who wrote veni vidi vici? Who put the flowers on the tank and why for?
Tunisia will be quickly put on ignore. It’s a country full of uppity Arabs. The most important thing is that we invalidate this renegade imposter president and restore the law of convenience, which is much smoother and silkier.
I’ve been thinking the same, Geoff.
Weird is the word.
Remember, this was 1961. It is not exactly easy or cheap to get to Kenya now by jet aircraft. As Andrew Sullivan likes to remind us, only a crazy women would fly when she was really prego (so Sarah Palin flying to have Trig in Alaska was just a lie). It was far harder (and far more expensive) to fly to Kenya in 1961. Of course Kenya was still part of the British commonweath in 1961, so perhaps the Obamas wanted their little guy to qualify for the Privy Council or something. But there is no evidence of Obama’s mom leaving the country before he was born. Given all the evidence, the chances of him being born in Hawaii are very high.
Obama’s mom was an American citizen. So even if he was born in Kenya, which seems quite a strech, he would probably still qualify as native born without something more than birth location. There is no fast and quick rule on the subject of whether a child born to an American monther born outside the U.S. can be president. But once he is sworn in and takes office, it is kind of a moot point. And the only people who really give a shit already voted no for the guy, the ones who voted for him last time really do not care. We need to persuade about 10% of those who voted for Obama last time to vote for the GOP candidate in 2012. If we do that and do not lose those who voted for McCain, Obama loses.
This birth certificate thing is probably a dodge to take inquiry off who wrote Dreams of My Father, or his college transcripts, or his financial aid applications, etc., etc.
Oh looky, the Mayor of Whoville just found BoBo’s birth records. Surprise, if you doubted it you must be a racist.
What’s really weird is that a few weeks after his DOB, Obama’s mommy was enrolled and attending college. On the mainland. And daddy Obama was in Kenya. Where was baby Barry?
Personally, I’m betting Frank Marshall was the babydaddy and the long form father’s name is blank or “undetermined.” He was a sick freak who liked him some young ass.
And Billy Ayers wrote Dreams. Cashill (I think it is) makes some good arguments to that effect. Alliterations. Stories that are similar.
He might result in some of the best trivia questions ever in a few years.
Which one term president…
It’s so weird!!!
God bless Barrett Brown, and all the ships at sea.
Frank Marshall may have been baby daddy. Bill Ayers probably did write Obama’s book. I assume Barack’s typical white grandparents raised him. Babies is such a drag when you are in school.
Any of you who are still pretending to care
And God bless Jack Goldberg, and all the rest of us simple mountain folk.
I say we shoot ‘feets out of a cannon, for to prove our sincerity.
aim for the bushes
But that’s the wrong standard. If a child is born outside the US, the determining factor is the citizenship status of the parents.
8 USC 1401 has been covered. The Federal law fails to contemplate parentage by a minor, or more precisely, a minor younger than 19; between 19 and 21 years of age was covered by statute. In all 50 states, the residency and citizenship of minors is determined, generally, by the status of their parents (exceptions can exist, state by state, for cases of emancipation, ownership of land, tax filing status…).
So in the case of Barack Obama, the child of a minor parent, it all comes down to the citizenship status of his maternal grandparents. If they are citizens, then his mother is, and then he is as well, whether born in Hawaii, in Kenya, or on Mars.
It’s all just a scosh more complicated than the flap over Chester Arthur’s status.
I bet the Guv got a call from the WH saying, “Look, if you don’t ‘find’ my birth certificate, then we’ll be able to use the rantings of the far-right cranks and marginalize the Tea Party as a bunch of cranks who think Obama is a foreigner. So just go ahead and ‘lose’ it for the next 4 years.”
Resolution 2001.0008.a: Petition Congress to overfund a 535 personed Mission to Mars.
Both links contain that same answer.
They just place a different emphasis on it to reflect their differing takes on what is happening and where the story is headed.
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Barrett Brown’s avatar looks like a puckered asshole, fittingly enough.
Indeed. Similarly, when my wife and I were married in Chattanooga, a wedding announcement was placed in the newspaper in Fairbanks, because that’s where we were living at the time. Having already planned a Chattanooga wedding when her promotion/transfer went through, we went ahead with our plans.
Also indeed — though the purpose it serves no, is that of Obama’s opponents. I’m open to the possibility it has been kept alive (mostly, I suspect, in moby fashion) at least in part to serve Obama against his opponents.
So you’re telling me that if, at the SotU, Obama tells the joint session of Congress (and any Supremes that bother to show up) and the entire nation watching on TV
Seriously, at that point, nothing at all has changed?
Aside from all of us having quietly been shifted into an alternate universe where that has a chance in hell of happening?
@McGehee
Non-responsive. The assertion is that the issue became dead the moment Obama took the oath of office; that there is no revelation about his citizenship status at birth or any later date that could in any way have any effect on his authority as POTUS.
If that is true, he could himself stipulate to every bit of the birther theories, and suffer no consequence.
The means prescribed in the Constitution for removing a sitting president from office, is impeachment. The quasi-judicial trappings employed in 1998 notwithstanding, impeachment is a political process.
The House in the 112th Congress might impeach Obama if it determined he wasn’t a natural-born U.S. citizen. But 1998 showed us that even a Republican-controlled Senate won’t remove a sitting president unless (and I think even if) he was caught on live national television buggering the corpse of a nine-year-old boy while singing the Internationale and felching Kim Jong-il.
There is no statutory mechanism for putting the qualifications of a president, or even a candidate for president, to the test against what it says in the Constitution. Until now it has always been assumed that the political process would handle it. If that is determined not to be the case, Congress will have to pass a law establishing such a process.
And the history of such things leaves me firmly convinced that SCOTUS would decline to apply any such new law to the president in office when they’re enacted.
Bill Clinton effectively confessed under oath to of the things for which he was impeached. The brief but entertaining presidency of Al Gore stands in evidence of what birthers are up against.
I agree with McGehee. Any legal changes having to do with the birth certificate kerfuffle will not apply to Obama unless he uses those changes as an excuse and applies them himself.
Given the damage He’s done to every other part of the Constitution, and the lack of consequence for any of it, I seriously doubt any revelation of His ignoring the “Qualifications for President” clause would do any different.
Oddly enough, when a Congressman proposed such a mechanism a while back, he was mocked as a “birther”, and accused of raaaaacism to boot.
Isn’t it interesting that there is a statutory mechanism for proving one’s (lack of dis)qualification to purchase a firearm, but not to serve in the nation’s highest office?
Not here, he wasn’t.
49. serr8d posted on 1/20 @ 5:35 am
Barrett Brown’s avatar looks like a puckered asshole, fittingly enough.
A puckered asshole that he self raped with his own poison pen.
Palin looks as if she intends to eat that gentleman’s face.
Quite confident, but face-eating in her confidence.
#63
You leave me puzzled and confused which I guess is “confuzzled”.
Is poking a stick in an ant hill still as big a yuk when even the ants are weary of the game?