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Byron York attended the "One Nation" rally

…so that you didn’t have to.

Not that you would have anyway, of course. That is, unless your union made you.

Freedom!

0 Replies to “Byron York attended the "One Nation" rally”

  1. Abe Froman says:

    Why do I have this mental image of all the gangs in The Warriors gathered for Cyrus’s speech?

  2. Joe says:

    But Abe, the Warriors was cool (except for the Kizz like Yankee “Furies”). This rally seems not so much. Although I am sure there were fantasies of hunting down conservatives as they fight their way to Coney Island whereever the fuck conservatives elites non union members live.

  3. Joe says:

    There was disappointment, too, in what President Obama and Democrats in Congress have accomplished, most notably in the area of health care.

    Rather than celebrate Obama’s achievement of a goal that generations of Democrats before him had failed to reach, several participants complained that the new health care law just doesn’t go far enough. “Make it single payer,” said Paul Blujus. “Take the profit out of health care.” There was also griping about the state of education, the environment, and taxes (people at the rally wanted their own taxes cut, and rich people’s raised).

    What could go wrong?

  4. Drumwaster says:

    “Make it single payer,” said Paul Blujus. “Take the profit out of health care.”

    Because that has worked so well with postal delivery and public education, hasn’t it?

  5. Pablo says:

    Overall, how big was the crowd? Before the rally, organizers made no secret of their determination that their turnout be bigger than that of the nonpolitical Glenn Beck rally at the Memorial on August 28. “We believe that our satellite photos will stack up nicely to his satellite photos,” NAACP president Ben Jealous told the New York Times. After the rally, however, there wasn’t so much talk about satellite photos; although thousands of people showed up, the crowd was visibly smaller than the Beck event. Even with all that organizing muscle, they couldn’t turn out as many people as one man on talk radio and Fox News.

    How does that happen? Things that would have sounded utterly ridiculous just a year or so ago seem to keep happening. We live in extremely interesting times.

  6. MarkJ says:

    #4,

    Official Motto of ObamaWorld: “Nothing succeeds like failure.”

  7. bh says:

    This paragraph really struck me:

    The union presence was so ubiquitous and so organized that it made for a kind of color coding in the crowd. Looking around, there were large groups of people bunched into separate areas, all wearing the same color T-shirts to mark their union affiliation. There were groups wearing the purple SEIU shirt, others wearing the red CWA shirt, others wearing the blue AFT shirt, and still others wearing green shirts and yellow shirts and so on. There were long rows of tables where union workers sat waiting to get people connected to their groups and their buses. There were thousands of union-printed signs.

  8. happyfeet says:

    what stuck me more was how NPR had to pretend both rallies were different than they actually were – there’s no facet of reality anymore what is acceptable in its raw unvarnished state

  9. JD says:

    The post office is going to post a loss of in excess of $6,000,000,000 for the year.

  10. ThomasD says:

    NPR biased?

    Shocking.

  11. happyfeet says:

    it’s not that they were biased it’s that they had no choice in the matter for so they could preserve the narrative – the tail is wagging the dog anymore

  12. Darleen says:

    “I’m saddened that people haven’t risen above their bigotry. If you read the Republican Contract with America, you can see the bigotry in between every line.”

    Oh lordy, there’s those secret code words again that only enlightened Proggries can ferret out.

    The “Dylanologist” AJ would be right in his element with these ilk.

  13. ThomasD says:

    #11 Okay… I’ll accept that, since you certainly are an expert on having no choice in the matter for so they could preserve the narrative.

  14. Well, maybe the fact that so many were made to go, and didn’t really want to be there, accounts for all of the garbage they left strewn about. After all, being committed environmentalists, we know that the real leftists would never drop so much as a candy wrapper or an unburned roach.

  15. ak4mc says:

    Well, maybe the fact that so many were made to go, and didn’t really want to be there, accounts for all of the garbage they left strewn about.

    That and, the people whose job it is to clean it up are all union members. Gotta show solidarity with the brothers by helping out with the job security and the overtime hours.

  16. ThomasD says:

    Trash it and they will come (and clean it up.)

  17. Matt says:

    Abe : “CAN you TAX itttttt!!??”

  18. Carin says:

    Are these idiots just … lost?

    . “I’m particularly offended by these people who want to take the nation back,” said Maida Odom, who came to the rally from Philadelphia on board a bus chartered by the National Union of Hospital and Health Care Employees/ AFSCME Local 1199. “I’m saddened that people haven’t risen above their bigotry. If you read the Republican Contract with America, you can see the bigotry in between every line.”

    I appeared there were a lot of people bused from the Detroit area. Lots of unemployed folks with time on their hands.

  19. happyfeet says:

    ohnoes those people are in charge of other people’s medication

  20. Carin says:

    Did you guys read the comments over there? The First comment is excellent. But there was also this:

    Hey.. how much do these folks get paid to be at these things?”

    Your answere, $60 and a tee shirt. While listening to a local call-in show yesterday, a man from a Pennsylvania union called in and said that his union contacted hundreds of unemployed members and offered them $60 and a tee shirt, plus bonuses for holding signs and standing in pickets. He said that everyone who rode down on the buses with him were paid and he knew that other affiliated unions were doing the same. He also mentioned that he was given both communist and socialist newsletters and propaganda at the event.

  21. Ernst Schreiber says:

    “He also mentioned that he was given both communist and socialist newsletters and propaganda at the event.”

    I bet there were even some entrepeneurs around, selling “Capitalism is teh suck” t-shirts

    –or something like that.

  22. happyfeet says:

    hi nishi nishi I have a musics for you

  23. happyfeet says:

    halloween is my favorite by the way there’s ghosties and candy and also punkins

  24. Abe Froman says:

    Look! It’s happyfeet’s beard.

  25. happyfeet says:

    ooh look it’s Abe running around calling people fags

  26. Abe Froman says:

    ooh look it’s Abe running around calling people fags

    I don’t call people fags. Just cartoon characters.

  27. geoffb says:

    Devil’s Night, how appropriate.

  28. happyfeet says:

    that’s an unusual way to roll

  29. pdbuttons says:

    i don’t mind the costumes liberal wear when they tricks some treats..
    it’s the smell they leave on my porch

  30. sdferr says:

    Stuff (empty houses, warehouses) used to burn on Halloween in Philly and Camden too. To a newly arrived observer these local “traditions” were kinda shocking revelations back when . . .

  31. Jeff G. says:

    My name is Jeff, not jeffie.

  32. Pablo says:

    Yep. This is 87,000 people. Right.

    Sorry. Not a soul less than 300K and 500K is perfectly plausible. You really are a gullible bint, aren’t you?

  33. Abe Froman says:

    Well, given the choice between calling someone a Boehnerfag and calling a frivolous little pikachu what cultivates an effeminate persona a beard-seeker, the latter comes easier. That’s just how I roll.

  34. LBascom says:

    “my name is happyfeet ”

    You’re not really a cartoon penguin, you know that, right?

  35. happyfeet says:

    you never seen me dance

  36. pdbuttons says:

    my name is sparticus

  37. nishi the Light of Dawn says:

    you know i allus called you Jeffie G, because of my beloved Jeffie P, jeff percifeld……Jeffie G and Jeffie P. :(
    you were both web-rapstahs.
    Jeff….all the bad people are on your side….the old people, the the stupid people, the creepers and carny barkers, the scammers and WECs and christofascists and bankstahs and oligarchs….sure they have a right to be stupid….but they they don’t have a right to have to have you defend them…
    please come back

  38. happyfeet says:

    I don’t see where the bankstahs and oligarchs are really all that solidly on Team R at all – that Buffett pansy turned himself out like a fierce fierce eager eager whore whore for Team Socialism

    Bill Gates too

    also most of your bank people really especially Goldman

  39. newrouter says:

    bankstahs and oligarchs

    like soros, bloomberg, heinz-kerry, sandlers, jeffie immelt, kennedys, et al

  40. Abe Froman says:

    like soros, bloomberg, heinz-kerry, sandlers, jeffie immelt, kennedys, et al

    Let her ramble. Children eventually get tuckered out and go to sleep.

  41. mojo says:

    “Rise above your bigotry! DO IT MY WAY, you cracker mothafucka!”

  42. bh says:

    Has anyone ever really learned the story of one of these random nutters who lost their shit online? I’m not kidding. I think it’d be fascinating.

    For instance, do they start acting out in public eventually? How long per day are they glued to the screen? What happens when people in the real world get a look at their online activities?

    This was a great documentary about a couple nutters from online chatrooms. I bet there are at least 100 equivalent stories with blogospheric loons like nishi or semanticleo or actus.

  43. Abe Froman says:

    That doc looks very interesting, bh. Clearly, anyone who trolls blogs persistently – as opposed to someone who may just be in some sort of funk – has deep personal issues. But I suppose Deb Frisch would be an example of what you’re talking about.

  44. LBascom says:

    Bill Gates is scary

  45. bh says:

    Yeah, I was thinking about her as well, Abe. Did the internet allow her a “risk free” chance to indulge in transgressive statements that she never would have jumped to in real life? But then, having done so online, she needed to expand the behavior off the internet?

    Or, was it just coincidentally timed with the alcoholism and other issues that would have had similar results anyway?

    You see the same progression with Kate. From initially being a socially retarded dork to her current bizarre behavior. Will it stop here or is it feeding something she’ll need more of, possibly in real life? Or, does it actually require some catalyst or secondary factor like personal trauma, some addiction issue or emergent mental problem?

    (Yeah, check out the documentary. It’s great. A lot of people, even some very bad people are just… deeply, deeply pitiful. Just sad and desperate for any form of human interaction.)

  46. happyfeet says:

    but not every time

  47. bh says:

    nishi is as normal as you and me

    Dude, seriously, speak for yourself. There has been a clear progression. If you actually like her, don’t indulge the behavior.

  48. Abe Froman says:

    nishi is as normal as you and me

    You’re not normal either.

  49. sdferr says:

    Do you see her estimation of Jeff’s political views or the development thereof as remotely on the mark hf?

  50. Carin says:

    In light of this:

    .all the bad people are on your side….the old people, the the stupid people, the creepers and carny barkers, the scammers and WECs and christofascists and bankstahs and oligarchs….sure they have a right to be stupid….but they they don’t have a right to have to have you defend them…

    You may want to reconsider this:

    – she’s not a particularly hurtful person to anybody what goes beyond the norm and she’s actually become less likely to get personal and insulty with people th

    She insults everyone who comments here. Everyone.

    Even Jeff ’cause he’s not enlightened enough to tell us all to STFU.

  51. happyfeet says:

    I don’t her estimation of Jeff’s political views being out of step with… the general progression of American political life generally – I think she a lot accurately conveys the viewpoint of her tribe, and in a way what’s actually often a little more nuanced and honest than most

  52. happyfeet says:

    I don’t *see* her estimation I mean

  53. Pablo says:

    I think she’s a fucking lunatic with a deep seated aversion to reality.

  54. sdferr says:

    The viewpoint of her tribe? I don’t know what to make of that, since one tribe will tell me that there are demons living in caves deep beneath the earth and another will say there are aliens who come to abduct and anally probe random human beings. The question is whether there’s any truth to these tribal stories or whether they’re ridiculous piles of shit.

  55. Pablo says:

    Her tribe is The Lunatics. They’re insane.

  56. Abe Froman says:

    You see the same progression with Kate. From initially being a socially retarded dork to her current bizarre behavior. Will it stop here or is it feeding something she’ll need more of, possibly in real life? Or, does it actually require some catalyst or secondary factor like personal trauma, some addiction issue or emergent mental problem?

    It’s hard to say. Dorks tend to grow more assertive in adulthood because the consequences are fewer and because they tend to cluster together to cultivate a kind of high school do-over alternate reality. Hence, hipsters. You get the sense with Nishi that she just loves identifying with a tribe which enables her to feel superior but because she’s a freak she expresses it as a freak would. I don’t sense anything particularly threatening in her. Just ickiness.

  57. happyfeet says:

    I think they’re a lot less ridiculous than I’d like them to be – whoa bout the time Team R is asked to unite under the banner of Sarah Palin in 2012 I think it’ll be not long at all before we’re all gonna be wishing nishi’s views had been wholly ridiculous.

    America’s crass descent into nekkid tribalism is nigh upon us.

    nishi understands that better than most I think.

  58. sdferr says:

    How does one “understand” a prediction which has not come to pass? It’s a puzzle.

  59. LBascom says:

    nishi’s tribe is The Griefers. No, principled core, just contrariness.

    She makes me yawn.

  60. happyfeet says:

    not all that puzzling really – the prediction already came to pass when America elected empty hopeychange – now it’s Team R’s turn to embrace an empty suited tribal totem for president and bam it’s welcome to thunderdome

  61. Abe Froman says:

    He see’s the future. He can’t articulate anything past or present, but the future is crystal clear.

  62. bh says:

    That’s just crazy talk. Dude, ask us Irish Catholics if tribalism is anything new.

    Answer, no, not at all. American history is replete with past and current examples. You can pretend that Palin is something new in that regard but you’d be dead wrong.

  63. happyfeet says:

    we’ll see I guess but what then are the lessons out of Delaware

  64. sdferr says:

    And if when the country eschews Palin as candidate for the presidency or she herself stands aside because she honors her claim that she will run only if no-one else steps forward to tackle the issues she thinks predominate, what then?

  65. happyfeet says:

    that would be awesome

  66. happyfeet says:

    hopeful

  67. Pablo says:

    America’s crass descent into nekkid tribalism is nigh upon us.

    nishi understands that better than most I think.

    nishi thinks it rawks and that the moocher tribes are the future. She’s a dumb one.

  68. Pablo says:

    Sarah Palin leaves more substance in her toilet than the whole Obama family brought to the White House. Could she field dress a dirty socialist? You betcha.

  69. Abe Froman says:

    I really don’t get happyfeet on Palin. Her shortcomings are the same as his. It isn’t her views, but the fact that she’s too slow-witted to successfully spar with unfriendlies. It requires more than being right to inspire confidence. It takes being able to disembowel someone who is lying or hostile. Bush sucked at it too.

  70. happyfeet says:

    I hereby renounce any design I may have had on our little white house.

  71. LBascom says:

    “It isn’t her views, but the fact that she’s too slow-witted to successfully spar with unfriendlies. ”

    I don’t know, I kinda liked “palling around with terrorists”…

  72. Log Cabin says:

    Feets, I always enjoy your posts. You and I seem to be pretty similar in our political beliefs, as well (except for your Palin-is-an-unserious-idiot obsession).

    But for you to upbraid Abe Froman on his calling people fags is hypocrisy in the extreme. You throw that term around quite frequently. It doesn’t do you any credit, either. In fact, it makes you sound ignorant, when I know that you are not. Not attacking you, I’m just sayin.

  73. happyfeet says:

    about the only people I call fags are America’s ruling class for example the senators and also the representatives and also the president as well as the current governor of California and also the current ceo of GE which, it’s a term what is a lot aptly employed in that context I think – but I don’t care if people call me a fag it’s just a weird exchange of views I thought given the context

    happyfeet: hi nishi here’s a musics

    Mr. Froman: omg you want everyone to think you want to fuck nishi but really you’re just a big ole fag

    and what’s weird is the idea I wanna hook up with nishi is a Darleen concept and me I’ve always just said I like her commenting cause I think she brings a point of view what is otherwise lacking

  74. bh says:

    This is a bit off topic. I think the post was about whether nishi is more like Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club or Kathy Bates in Misery.

    And, yes, both those viewpoints are normally lacking in most political discussions. Of course, this is normally considered a feature not a bug. For instance, no one ever complains that we don’t have anyone here who talks about Bilderburg conspiracy theories in Klingon.

  75. Abe Froman says:

    There really isn’t a context in which that isn’t an offensive word, feets. Including when you put it in someone else’s mouth.

  76. happyfeet says:

    I think she’s sort of an original really. We’ve been at this a long time and there’s really nobody quite like nishi what’s come along.

  77. happyfeet says:

    ok fine I will bow to the PW word police and no longer say fag or homo or cocksucker or pansy or poofter … I’m sure there’s others but I won’t say them ones either I promise… just remember felcher is JD’s not mine

  78. Abe Froman says:

    If she was any more unique she’d be trying to sell us Madonna’s pap smear.

  79. bh says:

    Heh. Great scene.

  80. bh says:

    I should watch that movie again.

  81. LBascom says:

    Here’s a comparison. (h/t ace)

    Of course these union folk/commies/socialists are are the good people, but one wonders at how culturally cutting edge and relevant they are.

  82. JHo says:

    I think she’s sort of an original really.

    Incurable dishonesty is original?

  83. geoffb says:

    the general progression of American political life generally

    For the Progressives, as with Hegel, then, Freedom is inextricably tied to an evolutionary, or, more precisely, progressive, conception of History in which each successive stage of civilization, like an acorn maturing into an oak tree, represents a fuller or more complete development of man’s moral or spiritual nature than the previous one. History, then, is ordered toward a specific end — the actualization of man’s spiritual nature — and has an identifiable path or content.

    There are reasons why the words used are “Progressive”, “Conservative”, and now Classical Liberal.

  84. JHo says:

    Ok, maybe as a link then.

  85. Abe Froman says:

    I don’t know, I kinda liked “palling around with terrorists”…

    That was great. But giving speeches is roughly equal to thinking of the perfect comeback two hours after an argument.

  86. geoffb says:

    In the spirit of the progressive use of language I’ve simply redefined “hoochie” to be a term of affectionate endearment and respect.

  87. happyfeet says:

    maybe I should have said regression Mr. geoff – I just mean more and more people want to use politics as a vehicle for tribal validation – and when that happens it a lot subsumes any idea of using politics as a vehicle for limiting the role of government – even if limited government is claimed as a value… cause the animating idea of American politics is becoming that we want a government what affirms that our tribe is the dominant tribe – I see that in nishi’s comments a lot – I also see it in how you can’t divorce Palin’s appeal from the incredibly persistent and ubiquitous sentiment that “she has the all right enemies.”

  88. ak4mc says:

    Technically, there are more than six billion “originals” in the human race. Each of us is unique, just like everybody else.

  89. happyfeet says:

    geoff I don’t have many words left please please please don’t take that one away

  90. JHo says:

    A unique perspective, feets. Did it come from Solzhenitsyn? Why no, no it didn’t.

    Monty Python, perhaps.

  91. Abe Froman says:

    maybe I should have said regression Mr. geoff – I just mean more and more people want to use politics as a vehicle for tribal validation – and when that happens it a lot subsumes any idea of using politics as a vehicle for limiting the role of government – even if limited government is claimed as a value… cause the animating idea of American politics is becoming that we want a government what affirms that our tribe is the dominant tribe – I see that in nishi’s comments a lot – I also see it in how you can’t divorce Palin’s appeal from the incredibly persistent and ubiquitous sentiment that “she has the all right enemies.”

    I suppose that anyone who thinks that is some kind of cutting edge insight would be inclined to suggest that the people of this Earth are six billion snowflakes.

  92. JHo says:

    Because while we’re freezing to death powering the State, surely we’ll be commiserating on how our tribal proclivities invalidated what could have been our overwhelming majority vote.

  93. JHo says:

    Put another way, in the sea of bandaided organizations we call government, the excellent has never been the enemy of the good.

  94. happyfeet says:

    I don’t think it’s a cutting edge insight at all at all I think it’s a lot obvious which is why I think the idea that Sarah Palin should be our next president is so patently stupid as to be kind of offensive – she’s an obviously narrowcasted persona what – while she can obviously win a plurality in a Team R primary process – is nevertheless equally obviously repellent to a majority of Americans

  95. JHo says:

    So we’ll be commiserating on how a candidate can obviously win a plurality in a [highly resurgent] Team R primary process yet remain nevertheless equally obviously repellent to a majority of Americans.

    Got it.

  96. happyfeet says:

    no we’ll be commiserating four more years of Obama

  97. JHo says:

    Because two-thirds of a third kicks the crap out of, well, an emerging political revolution.

  98. JHo says:

    No, obviously we’ll be commiserating the spectre of four more years of Obama over six years before the possibility of such a thing arises.

  99. happyfeet says:

    vote your tribe is not a political revolution it just makes us more like Europe

  100. LBascom says:

    I bet Obama couldn’t beat Meg Whitman.

  101. JHo says:

    Chillbillies are just that lethal to classical liberalism.

  102. Abe Froman says:

    she’s an obviously narrowcasted persona what – while she can obviously win a plurality in a Team R primary process – is nevertheless equally obviously repellent to a majority of Americans

    That’s just retarded. She’s repellent to a small tribe which reflects America only in the sense that they are culture makers and the weak-minded like yourself who inhabit their environs. Do you have any idea how many people I know who are both better educated and more successful than yourself who think Sarah Palin said she can see Russia from her house?

  103. JHo says:

    vote your tribe is not a political revolution it just makes us more like Europe

    Argument by projection is circular, feets.

  104. JHo says:

    feets, if Palin wins the nomination, Palin wins the nomination.

  105. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – feets, I doubt theres a commentator that’s read PW in the past 6 months that isn’t aware of your personal issues with Palin. The question is why repeat yourself endlessly.

    – Her record and personal appearances speak for themselves and what she does in the future will follow her true abilities in that regard.

    – Seems like you just need to regurgitate ongoing nightmares you’re subject to or ‘sumpin.

    – Palins not as bad as you attempt to make her sound, and a good deal better than a lot of GOP hopefuls. As an alternative to Bumbblefuck I’d take her in a heartbeat, which I suppose isn’t saying all that much, since I’d take almost any Conservative over that POS any day of the week.

  106. happyfeet says:

    I’m saying there’s no *if* Palin wins the nomination anymore – it’s hers if she wants it given the field as we know it – what I’m saying is she can’t win the general

  107. JHo says:

    #98, feets.

  108. JHo says:

    …because of #101.

  109. Log Cabin says:

    Feets, I didn’t mean to come off like the PC police. I am no one’s example on how to speak or behave.
    I just thought that I would opine that it doesn’t do you any credit. It sounds low class and ignorant.
    Profanity and slurs have a place in language, and they have more impact when aren’t used as placeholders or punctuation.

    You’re just smarter than that. I know you are. Say what you mean, don’t just name call.

  110. happyfeet says:

    I don’t know what #98 means exactly Mr. Howard also they said there would be no math.

  111. LBascom says:

    Umm, ah, I’m dumb…I guess. So I need to maybe ask questions.

    We vote as a block (district, precinct. Tribe?)for a person to represent us in government. Isn’t that the way it works?

    Happyfeet, are you worried about Palin the individual, or that Palin the candidate can’t win? I think we may have wildly divergent ideas about what qualities are important in a POTUS.

  112. happyfeet says:

    alright I will stop not because it’s very important to me that people understand that happyfeet is very high class and also sophisticated but because you asked nicely

  113. Abe Froman says:

    I don’t think she can win the general either. The problem is that you argue this day in/day out. And while I may agree that 12 x 12 = 144, it becomes unbearable when you show your work each time and you arrive at the right answer by drawing a clump of monkey shit next to an asparagus spear.

  114. newrouter says:

    the math portion is optional

  115. guinsPen says:

    the idea I wanna hook up with nishi is a…

    given

  116. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Well, predictions are in my playbook, but just to put it plain, I don’t think you can say that “any” candidate can’t win, except in special circumstances like Peanutman versus Reagan, ir some such like that.

    – Personally I think Rudy would be pretty hard to beat, and Palin as a 2nd would be a bad-ass combo.

  117. JHo says:

    Maybe McCain was propped up because of the failshit nature of the US monetary system as it was known pre-11/08. Ogabe is as much a fall-guy candidate as anything.

    That latter fact isn’t going to repeat in ’12. #98 is the outcome of #101, feets, and the math is arithmetic.

  118. happyfeet says:

    Lee we’re dispensing with the idea of voting for thinkings and rationality and ideas and a Plan – “commonsense conservative solutions” is not a Plan – it’s a slogan – a slogan not unlike other slogans for example the “hope and change.”

    I don’t care about Palin the individual except for her alarming lack of self-awareness. I know for a fact she can’t win a general election against an incumbent president what controls the media and to the enthusiasm of whose base she’s some exotic chillbilly varietal of meth and I think four more years of bumblefuck would be fatal to my little country and to me that’s very sad.

  119. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – I honestly believe the Left couldn’t believe their luck when the GOP selected McOldFart.

  120. LBascom says:

    I think that’s what is going to happen BB., I don’t know about Rudy, but if Palin runs I bet it will be as VP again.

  121. bh says:

    I was never told there existed the banjo ukulele. When will these mad scientists stop playing God?

    And, yeah, this has somehow again turned into a Palin thread. I’ll learn my lesson one of these days.

  122. JHo says:

    “commonsense conservative solutions” is not a Plan – it’s a slogan – a slogan not unlike other slogans for example the “hope and change.”

    What? How is sensible conservatism more a slogan than a prescription for a nation on bloody political life support?

  123. no one ever complains that we don’t have anyone here who talks about Bilderburg conspiracy theories in Klingon

    That’s because nishi does so in Romulan.

  124. winston smith says:

    No, she tried second fiddle back in 2002, luckily she didn’t win that time, that gave her the opportunity to be on the commission, and her principled resignation, gave her the opportunity
    to run for governor, when the previous administration capsized. She’s not going to try for that
    again, the knives in her back from McCain’s team, are still too fresh

  125. happyfeet says:

    Mr. Hunter the dirty socialist media put a thumb on the scale for McOldFart and they’ll do the same for that Palin woman – Daniels won’t get a hearings – especially not if establishment Romney whores like the townhall people have anything to do with it – and the white trash christers are already rehearsing about how candidates are mistaken if they think our issues will take a backseat in 2012 cause of the fetuses and also the gay marriagings and also my god next thing you know those people will be asking us to bake them cupcakes… that’s what the hostility to Daniels means and I think everyone knows that that’s what the hostility to Daniels means and that it’s not a cutting edge insight.

    I’m trying to think of something hopeful but isn’t the internet supposed to do that for me to where I just have to click on it? I think it’s brokened.

  126. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – I don’t know why Rudy did what he did. I just don’t understand, except to say he just doesn’t want to dedicate himself to the whole ball of wax. That’s his right of course, he’s not obligated, but it certainly disappointed a lot of people who were prepared to support him all the way.

    – The worst of it is we need someone like him that has common sense and isn’t a robot to some deep seated ideology, but more important, someone that people will just naturally follow. Born leaders are few and far between.

    – America’s Mayor could so easily fit into America’s President. Damn shame.

  127. if Palin runs, it will be for the presidency and the presidency only. I don’t see her as a VP candidate again.

  128. geoffb says:

    geoff I don’t have many words left please please please don’t take that one away

    But that is precisely what nishi is attempting to do with this.

    but they they don’t have a right to have to have you defend them…
    please come back

    Steal his words and make them be what she wants them to be not what he intends them to be. Attempted mind-rape, and only attempted because our host is well armed against that type of attack.

  129. happyfeet says:

    Mr. geoff all I can think to say for so I don’t get in trouble is … by what measure is Sarah Palin not already an exponent of the establishment… didn’t I see she was planning some sort of play date with Michael Steele?

  130. by what measure is Sarah Palin not already an exponent of the establishment

    By measure of the fact that they hate her guts.

  131. JHo says:

    feets, the precious few candidates that aren’t exponents of the establishment really aren’t electable.

  132. …just as they hate the guts of any American who is not of their rarefied class.

  133. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – I don’t give a fig what nishi does, she’s just not important in any world I occupy, which is the case for all the trolls.

    – I don’t take them any more serious than I would a group og 5th graders yammering for more recess time. They’ve shown themselves countless times to be caught in some kind of mental frustration loop like Sponge-bob’s running back and forth from the candy machine to the bus stop. No ‘there’ there.

  134. happyfeet says:

    I think you can come from a statehouse and not be a national establishment Team R guy if your name is Mitch and you ride a motorcycle and you make good sense on the spendings.

  135. Abe Froman says:

    by what measure is Sarah Palin not already an exponent of the establishment

    How about by the measure of endorsings what were at odds with the Republican Politburo?

  136. happyfeet says:

    they seemed pretty calculated to me and it’s possible she already regrets Delaware

  137. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Palin has single handily almost embarrassed the GOP pld boyz club almost out of existence. Steele just ounctuates that embarrassment. I think the old guard is all but finished. The T-party is the organizing cry for a new order on the right.

  138. Abe Froman says:

    Calculated? Monkey shit times an asparagus spear equals 144 again.

  139. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – Sure feets. Just like when Lamont was going to trounce Lieberman.

  140. it’s possible she already regrets Delaware

    It’s also possible that nishi is mart and hot, and that the Seattle Seahawks will win the Super Bowl.

  141. winston smith says:

    No, she knew what shew was doing, now some like the crew at Patterico, insist on pounding her into the ground, following the media template, but she can’t be held responsible for that. They have dialed
    the Crapstorm upto to ‘Eleventy’ as they did two years ago, as they did with the Tea Party, as they
    have done to every figure that matters, and they will in time, come for Mr. Peabody

  142. happyfeet says:

    yes I think her endorsements were very calculated – Fiorina comes to mind and Meghan’s coward daddy also – this is a woman being very careful not to antagonize powerful insiders and her base – has she endorsed a single non-lifeydoodle? I rather think I would have heard.

  143. has she endorsed a single non-lifeydoodle? I rather think I would have heard.

    Karen Handel.

  144. winston smith says:

    She endorsed Handel, who was generally more moderate, but less corrupt than Deal, who will be ‘unexpectedly’ indicted right before the election. Devore was a truly lost cause, McCain she
    genuinely respects,

  145. happyfeet says:

    that is very nice to know thank you I applaud that and it makes me think better of her

  146. happyfeet says:

    oh. Handel already lost it says

  147. Abe Froman says:

    yes I think her endorsements were very calculated – Fiorina comes to mind and Meghan’s coward daddy also – this is a woman being very careful not to antagonize powerful insiders and her base – has she endorsed a single non-lifeydoodle? I rather think I would have heard.

    Math and monkey shit.

  148. happyfeet says:

    Jim Galloway outlined the brouhaha in detail, but here’s a snapshot: Dan Becker, GRTL’s executive director, said Handel’s take on abortion — she thinks women whose pregnancies are life-threatening or the product of rape or incest should still have the option — doesn’t jibe with the group’s definition of “pro life.” Handel also opposes a ban on in-vitro fertilization, which GRTL championed last year. For these reasons, the group gave endorsements to all GOP candidates but the former secretary of state and Fulton County chairwoman.*

    that doesn’t really say non-lifeydoodle to me at all – does that track with what you know to be true?

  149. LBascom says:

    “has she endorsed a single non-lifeydoodle? ”

    What, you have a litmus test?

  150. happyfeet says:

    I like my litmus just so

  151. happyfeet says:

    just to be clear I take back the it makes me think better of her part

  152. LBascom says:

    “I like my litmus just so”

    Don’t we all. We’re unique that way…

  153. Matt says:

    The real downside to a Palin run for president is I’d feel compelled to vote for her, just to see happy’s head explode.

  154. newrouter says:

    I like my litmus just so

    there’s math involved

  155. pdbuttons says:

    litmus test-i only fart in elevators…
    but if u smile at me and pretend u can’t smell it makes me want to push a button for u so u can escape faster…

  156. geoffb says:

    “there’s math involved”

    Calculation, horrors!

  157. there’s math involved

    And the formula is x + x = Palin is a cumslut hoohie lifeydoodle

    Griefer algebra.

  158. LBascom says:

    “i only fart in elevators…
    but if u smile at me and pretend u can’t smell it makes me want to push a button for u so u can escape faster…”

    Griefer manifesto.

  159. LBascom says:

    Here’s part of my tribe.

  160. JD says:

    Now happyfeet, and pdbuttons are griefers? Gimme a break.

  161. Abe Froman says:

    pdbuttons is a national treasure.

  162. pdbuttons says:

    i only- i wish!..
    i farts lots- i have a leaky condition.. freedom?
    my fav leak is when i’m all alone–just me and my half blind dog
    and my clicker.. and i- leak? for change and put the blanket o hope over my head and ..i can hear the/my half blind dog a’whimperin’ in the corner and as i inhale i think..
    i need more more psychiatrist{exhale} i hope their plane didn’t crash….on them way to vienna

  163. LBascom says:

    Well, I thought it was a great analogy for a griefer.

    You’re entitled to your opinion of the people.

  164. pdbuttons says:

    ’tis not the shower i mind..
    or the water..
    ’tis havin to look /stare in the mirror…
    and come to grips..
    fart

  165. newrouter says:

    wasn’t national treasure a horse

  166. LBascom says:

    I think it was a Cage movie.

  167. pdbuttons says:

    secretiat was a horse.. of course/of course/but if i wanted to run for the roses-
    i certainly wouldn’t wear these jean..
    hey/ does my ass look fat?
    fart

  168. LBascom says:

    Here’s a tribe.

  169. Darleen says:

    oh looky, griefer is banging his favorite hobbyhorse again… don’t get any splinters now, ha hear?

  170. happyfeet says:

    actually we had a nice discussion and we exchangered views about where our little country is going and buttons farted

  171. pdbuttons says:

    my hobbyhorse had major springs and had a pull thing that when u pulled it it said “howdy!” or “neigh neigh neighbor”..but when my mommie didn’t butter my toast right and my hobbyhorse said
    “kill” well- lets just say mom should have paid alot more attention to me..
    we have pictures of me at christmas.. i’m the little tyke who is stabbing open his gifts..

    bor

  172. pdbuttons says:

    think happyfeet and pdbuttons are a match?
    simpatico?…
    press one for -o happy dagger
    press seven on ur capitalist food processor for blend
    press 911 for stab related injuries..
    and- yes.. u may call me about any pressing problems/dickfights
    if u’ve fallen-and can’t get up {‘lil’ doggie!}
    press- no- text- i can’t get up john lennon fat beatle.com…
    and if ur dirty dog down in the gutter hopeless and haven’t a friend in this world and call me-desperado- and squek-help-
    my reply would be/ u got a cell phone? u lucky lucky bastard

  173. Danger says:

    “I think she a lot accurately conveys the viewpoint of her tribe…”

    The trouble is that the tribe of sci-fi believing, eugenics promoting, sufi pretenders only numbers in the low single digits.

  174. newrouter says:

    oh national velvet. and the unity suxs. ein reich ovber der foothead or cupcakes

  175. LBascom says:

    “oh national velvet”

    Liz Taylor movie?

  176. ak4mc says:

    I think I see where happyfeet’s POV boils down to: We are totally fucked because the people what want to keep us down are everywhere and they can read our minds and see the future so no matter what we do they’ll get there first and we’ll just keep on being fucked.

    Which, happyfeet? That’s what they want you to think.

  177. happyfeet says:

    how do I know you’re not on their side?

  178. LBascom says:

    Wow, that’s like one of those creepy hand drawing a hand drawing a hand things…

  179. cranky-d says:

    I’ll vouch for McG. There is no way one of them could ever sound as authentic. They don’t have it in them.

    Besides, he buys me beer.

  180. sdferr says:

    I’d vouch for McG too, but I’m their hidden agent, so that probably wouldn’t work.

  181. cranky-d says:

    Somehow, I always knew, sdferr.

  182. sdferr says:

    Damn cranky-d, I gots to get a better mustache I reckon.

  183. cranky-d says:

    It’s the glue you’re using to hold it on. I’ve seen it slip a little sometimes.

  184. geoffb says:

    How do you know that or anything else about anyone. Talk is cheap. Lies are easy, at least at first. The price of action is colossal. Actions speak but what they say must be read by the results more than intentions which are only [just?] words too.

    In the end it always comes down to a leap of faith. Believe or believe not, there is no try.

  185. Spiny Norman says:

    I think happyfeet is yearning for a pair of those magic sunglasses Rowdy Roddy Piper had in They Live.

  186. Carin says:

    ht at all at all I think it’s a lot obvious which is why I think the idea that Sarah Palin should be our next president is so patently stupid as to be kind of offensive – she’s an obviously narrowcasted persona what – w

    What was patently stupid, was the Barack Obama candidacy. Everyone here (except nishi and He who shall not be named) knew it was a disaster. From his experience, to his lack of intellectual property, to his history as a senator (running for president since day one) … we all knew he would suck.

    She’s not my first choice (or second or third), but after what we’ve got? She’s lightyears ahead. She has the temperament of someone who makes decisions. She doesn’t have a socialist agenda, which guides her every principal.

    I just find the hate amusing. I think you need to step back. Not think about her for a few months. I barely think about her ever.

  187. Slartibartfast says:

    I’m saying there’s no *if* Palin wins the nomination anymore – it’s hers if she wants it

    Facts not in evidence. Not by a long shot.

    If you could really assign probabilities like that, you’d already have more money than Bill Gates, playing the stock market and horse races. I’m concluding that you just don’t have the least fucking clue what you’re talking about.

  188. serr8d says:

    I second what Carin hath spoken. Sarah Palin would not be my first choice as Republican nominee either, but neither would a Romney, Huckholio or anyone else I’ve heard mentioned seriously. Likely we’ll have another must-pinch-nose nominee; I just hope it’s not a thing found in the same dry well as was the Dole and McCain and, yes, the George Bush(es). We need a strong, tough person. Where the hell is Condoleezza when you really need her ?

  189. Rob Crawford says:

    Why the hell do people keep saying “happyfeet, you’re smarter than that” — goddamn, isn’t it clear by now that it really isn’t?!

    Disemvowel the griefers already. Everyone ignore them, particularly when they babble in baby talk.

  190. Mikey NTH says:

    Another thread yanked off to one lackwit’s obsessions.

  191. Bob Reed says:

    “…and the white trash christers are already rehearsing about how candidates are mistaken if they think our issues will take a backseat in 2012 cause of the fetuses and also the gay marriagings and also my god next thing you know those people will be asking us to bake them cupcakes…”

    happyfeet,
    I just don’t see any real evidence of this. Regardless of how much you dislike Jim DeMint or Sarah Palin, it is folly to believe that the religious right has somehow taken control of the agenda of conservative politics.

    Beath deeply my friend. Get a grip on yourself…Come back to reality…

  192. Slartibartfast says:

    is folly to believe that the religious right has somehow taken control of the agenda of conservative politics

    You forgot to put “again” on the end of that sentence. I still remember the 1980s, at least.

  193. happyfeet says:

    not taken control – but they’ll insist on lifeydoodle nonsense in the platform again and perpetuate Team R’s schizophrenic relationship with individual liberty

    it used to be a cute way of patronizing the lifeydoodles, but now it’s just blatant hypocrisy, and people recognize that I think – especially younger people – it does a lot to mire our politics in the failshit spiral of fail it’s locked into

  194. happyfeet says:

    remember – for all her decision making skillz – the Palin hoochie hasn’t decided to endorse a single non-lifeydoodle –

    and she needs to keep her rancid christer ideology away from the party of tea I think – but I think that battle’s already been lost lost lost

  195. Abe Froman says:

    it used to be a cute way of patronizing the lifeydoodles, but now it’s just blatant hypocrisy, and people recognize that I think – especially younger people – it does a lot to mire our politics in the failshit spiral of fail it’s locked into

    Bah. The stupid people are the ones who either a.) think abortion can be banned or b. think there’s a threat of it being banned. There’s stupid on both sides. Though your brand of stupid is unique to you and nishi. By the way, have you actually seen any polling on youth and abortion my back bench marketer friend?

  196. Slartibartfast says:

    I’m sorry, I refuse to heed or otherwise consider the wisdom of any sentence that has the nonword “lifeydoodle” in it. That’s just how I roll.

  197. happyfeet says:

    lol – the kids are voting in droves for white trash christers they love them so – Sarah Palin is already president

  198. Abe Froman says:

    Was that supposed to be an answer to my question, cubicle clown?

  199. Bob Reed says:

    I don’t see how stating ones dislike for abortion, and committment to ending the federal funding of, is the equivalent of promising to outlaw it.

    Like Abe noted, no reasonable people are talking about outlawing abortion-including Palin.

    Did she do so in Alaska, or even try to? I don’t think so.

    Her position is Reagan-esque in this regard. Ronnie taled about respecting life, etc; but never supported legislating that morality.

  200. Mikey NTH says:

    Comment by Bob Reed on 10/4 @ 9:59 am #

    Bob, that is the reality he lives in.
    Just accept it and ignore it – there’s no ‘there’ there, so to speak.

  201. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – While feets continues to beat that dea lifeydoodle horse, the biggest irony of all is slick Willey was to the right of Palin on abortion, based on the actual things she’s said and done in lieu of feet’s fevered imagination.

    – His position, which he stated on many occasions was “abortion should be available when necessary, inexpensive, safe, and rare”. I think I recall her saying something to the effect she didn’t think tax dollars should fund abortions, she’s against tri-mesters except in extreme cases, and she doesn’t support drive through abortion clinics at WalMarts.

    – How that makes her more anti-abortion than Clinton isn’t very clear, but I’m sure feets can read her mind.

  202. happyfeet says:

    Mr. Bob if Sarah Palin can’t find a *single* pro-life individual running for office what is suitable for to help with the spendings then it’s clear as day that what she’s about is co-opting the tea party to push a social con agenda –

    turn it around – what message would it send if the Palin endorsed a pro-choice person what was balls out rocking on the mark when it comes to the spendings? It would be a very very very hopeful message I think, though it might could cost her the nomination she craves so so badly.

  203. happyfeet says:

    hey I was turning a new leaf today Mr. Hunter but I tripped

    sorry

  204. happyfeet says:

    yes Abe that’s all I had time for too many people standing around the cube more later

  205. happyfeet says:

    I am doing researchings brb

  206. Big Bang Hunter says:

    – I think your leaf got caught in your desk drawer feets.

    – In any event if the lifeydoodle hootchie became Prez and tried to wholesale outlaw abortion, never fear, the SCOTUS lefty judges would have a shit-fit and overnight discover the “Congress shall make no laws respecting coat hangers” clause part of the living document. So you’re safe.

  207. ak4mc says:

    There is no way one of them could ever sound as authentic.

    <C. Montgomery Burns voice>

    Excellent.

    </C. Montgomery Burns voice>

  208. happyfeet says:

    it’s a little confuzzling cause i can;t find any sources I trust what really speak to the question…

    Last week’s primaries elevated two more candidates who, like Sarah Palin, would ban abortion for rape and incest victims. John Avlon on the hypocrisy that could fracture the GOP.

    Call it the Palin Standard, the new normal creeping into Republican abortion politics—opposition even in cases of rape and incest. When Sarah Palin was plucked from obscurity two years ago to become the VP nominee, McCain’s senior policy aides did not know that she held this extreme position, which is shared by only 15 percent of the population, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll.

    Now at least six Tea Party-backed statewide GOP candidates—Nevada’s Sharron Angle, Delaware’s Christine O’Donnell, Colorado’s Ken Buck, Kentucky’s Rand Paul, Alaska’s Joe Miller, and New York’s Carl Paladino—back this absolutist stand.

    That’s twice the number of GOP Senate candidates who are broadly pro-choice this year—Illinois’ Mark Kirk, Connecticut’s Linda McMahon, and Oregon’s James Huffman. And it’s telling that Mike Castle and Lisa Murkowski—two centrist GOP candidates who were RINO-hunted in closed primaries—were both pro-choice.*

    ok. scary scary. but let’s look at one in particular… this Ken Buck person. The Palin congratulationsed him in August. But he apparently beat her grizzled mama. DeMint endorsed Mr. Buck in July, so he must be decent on the spendings and a lot passably lifeydoodle.

    Now we see this…

    A conservative Republican trying to unseat a rookie Democratic senator in Colorado is scrambling to explain his position on abortion in light of a ballot proposal to outlaw the procedure. (Hi Mr. Bob)

    Ken Buck, a tea party favorite challenging Sen. Michael Bennet, leads the incumbent in several polls and has drawn the support of abortion opponents for saying it should be illegal even in cases of rape and incest.

    Earlier this year, he endorsed a proposed amendment to the state constitution to set up a direct challenge to the federal government over rights for fetuses. The so-called “personhood” amendment would give constitutional rights to people from conception.

    But Buck changed his position after doctors and lawyers pointed out that the amendment would also ban some types of fertility treatments and emergency contraception. Buck now says he’s not taking a position on the abortion-blocking amendment because of those concerns.

    so I ask you – does the evidence not show that the Tea Party is moving Team R further right on lifeydoodle issues?

    I think it does.

  209. happyfeet says:

    oops too much bold

  210. Mikey NTH says:

    Notice how no one can speak about the One Nation rally and how it fittingly demonstrates what the lef tis like? All because one rude person won’t accept the advice he so desperately needs?

    Yeah I did notice that.

  211. winston smith says:

    She put a Planned Parenthood member for her own state’s Supreme Court, you twisted Mogwai,

  212. Abe Froman says:

    None of that has anything to do with my question. Furthermore, there isn’t an anti-abortion stand possible that’s any more psychotic than support (a la President Fuckstain) for dumping the living result of botched abortionings in the garbage. The truth is that you’re just a weak-minded sheep suffering Stockholm Syndrome from playing footsie too long with dirty Angelenos. Learn to argue like a rational being already.

  213. happyfeet says:

    Mikey we yimmer yammered about the One Nation rally across like 4 threads already – just go to the home page and refresh there’s a brand new One Nation rally post

    The truth is that you’re just a weak-minded sheep suffering Stockholm Syndrome from playing footsie too long with dirty Angelenos.

    There may be some truth to this.

  214. LBascom says:

    Part of the problem may be the pool of people that are fiscal and social conservatives is far larger than the pool that is fiscally conservative and not socially conservative.

    Most of the not socially conservative crowd lean towards the social justice mindset.

  215. Bob Reed says:

    I think Mr Avalon, and you, are ignoring what she’s actually said about abortion and governance.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Sarah_Palin_Abortion.htm

    I realize that it is from the last campaign, but couldn’t quickly find anything more definitive and recent.

    The whole notion of a “Palin standard” for abortion legislation is kind of hyperbolic and feverish, IMHO; especially since she never tried anything like it as governor of Alaska.

    But YMMV.

  216. Abe Froman says:

    Another part of the problem is that nearly 30 years of prosperity left the upper middle class in a fundamentally unserious mindset about government. People should be thanking God that “white trash Christers” took the mantle for fiscal austerity and limited government even if it was mindlessly tribal while all manner of materialistic and prosperous yard apes took to making money while oblivious to where it comes from as revealed in their voting habits.

  217. Squid says:

    Most of the not socially conservative crowd lean towards the social justice mindset.

    Are there polling results that support this? I’ve long believed that there’s a huge population of people who don’t want the government in their wallets OR their bedrooms.

  218. happyfeet says:

    30 years of prosperity left the upper middle class in a fundamentally unserious mindset about government

    I think this is true but also I think education generally and also a bias away from vo-tech specifically is a lot involved.

  219. happyfeet says:

    I don’t know if it’s all that hyperbolic Mr. Bob inasmuch as the facts seem to support the notion.

  220. Mikey NTH says:

    This isn’t your website, and your hobby-horse isn’t the subject of the thread. Start your own blog where you can flog your deadhorse to your heart’s content, you babbling nitwit.

  221. happyfeet says:

    well then say something about the One Nation rally

    me I thought the One Nation rally did very little to answer the question of whether or not there is indeed a “Palin Standard” on abortion to which many “Tea Party” candidates are ascribing

  222. nishi the Light of Dawn says:

    meh.
    Jeff knows all this…..hes just invested in the anti-meritocratic meme that the 40 percenters deserve self-representation too.
    The result of a half century of IQ baiting by the conservative party in America is that conservatives can no longer compete in a meritocratic republic.
    So they are not going to compete.
    Palin won’t, Angle wont, O’Donnell wont– their line is that the media is unfair– but the truth is they can’t campete. Jeff knows this.
    They are taking their ball…..the christianist or ‘judeochristian’ base and going home.
    They are not going to play.
    Douthat understands this perfectly….that is why he is allus searching for alternatives to the traditional Jeffersonian meritocratic values of “talent” and ‘virtue’.
    Obama is the avatar of Jefferson’s natural aristoi.
    Palin and Bush are the conservative avatars– god, country, and ‘commonsense’.
    Fifty years of selection for anti-meritocratic values resulted in the election of a president so godawful stupid that he didnt understand that when muslims are DEMOCRATICALLY empowered to vote, they vote for Islam.
    And you can throw all the radar chaff in the world, Jeff, and it won’t make a bit of difference.

  223. nishi the Light of Dawn says:

    The Millenials will write the history books…….and you will be teabaggers.
    bi la kayfah

  224. Bob Reed says:

    I dunno happyfeet,

    Just because 6 tea-party backed candidates hold an absolutist position on abortion, and also happen to be endorsed by Palin; does that somehow make it “the Palin standard”? Especially when she doesn’t pronounce that standard herself? She’s also not the titular head of the tea-party.

    Unless you choose to count her own personal choice to not abort a down-syndrome pregnancy as an implicit “endorsement” of a standard she’s never publicly talked of forcing opon others. I can’t even see how you’re getting from point A to point B on this.

    Linda McMahon has specifically said she want’s no outside endorsements.

    Mark Kirk in the ideological mold of Mike Castle-why would she endorse him?

    You know who else is talking about a “Palin standard”?

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/225258_The_Palin_abortion_standard_ma

    Kinda of motivates me to think about that characterization a bit more.

  225. Abe Froman says:

    Palin won’t, Angle wont, O’Donnell wont– their line is that the media is unfair– but the truth is they can’t campete. Jeff knows this.

    Is it a lack of self-awareness or abject stupidity which deters you from seeing all the morons across the spectrum who inhabit the political landscape?

  226. Squid says:

    Obama is the avatar of Jefferson’s natural aristoi.

    Tee hee. Heh heh. Ha ha ha ha ha.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Stop it! Yer killin’ me!

  227. nishi the Light of Dawn says:

    Abe, the problem is that the right has devolved to a purely religious party.
    And as the judeoxian demogrphic shrinks, you lose the consent of the governed.

  228. Squid says:

    Seriously — which of you guys is pretending to be Nishit?

    “Obama is the avatar of Jefferson’s natural aristoi.”

    That just nails her brand of insipid faux-intellectualism-slash-total fucking cluelessness so hard that the nail went all the way through the board and out the other side.

    Whichever one of you it is, I doff my cap. Well played!

  229. nishi the Light of Dawn says:

    Stop it! Yer killin’ me!

    we dont need to.
    you are dying off on your own.

  230. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Kate’s social darwinism is showing again.

  231. Mikey NTH says:

    The nitwit has now summoned the lackwit.
    Or is it the other way around?

    another thread lost to the griefers’ obsessions.

  232. happyfeet says:

    I guess we will see Mr. Bob and I don’t want to get too overwrought about it cause without roadmap-endorsing lifeydoodles like marsha blackburn we would be berefter of hope than we already are but I think it’s a good thing to note at least.

  233. Abe Froman says:

    Abe, the problem is that the right has devolved to a purely religious party.

    I’d say that’s more true of the Democrats. Only you harbor the delusion that it isn’t a religion.

  234. Squid says:

    I think she’s just trying to guilt a Christian into making babies with her.

    Poor dear. So much conflict bouncing around in her brain meats. ‘Tis sad.

  235. bh says:

    “Obama is the avatar of Jefferson’s natural aristoi.”*

    My favorite of the bunch is watching nishi repeat her crazy act in this Jake Tapper thread. What a freak.

  236. Squid says:

    Fifty years of selection for anti-meritocratic values resulted in the election of a president so godawful stupid that he didnt understand that when you kill off the productive sector, you can no longer afford the “free” shit you use to buy votes from the lazy.

    Fixed that for you, you blinkered halfwit.

  237. Abe Froman says:

    Holy shit, bh. But whaddya want? She’s a Michigan grad. One of those schools which has a reputation that far exceeds the actual quality of enrolled students. Sort of makes for an odd mix of arrogance and intellectual insecurity. It also says something about her capacity for cognitive dissonance that she prattles on about meritocracy while singing the praises of a president who has shown scant indication that he doesn’t owe the high points of his resume to affirmative action.

  238. LBascom says:

    “I’ve long believed that there’s a huge population of people who don’t want the government in their wallets OR their bedrooms.”

    Well, I identify as a social con, and I’m not interested in your bedroom. I just want people to know there are consequences to what you do in your private life I don’t want to shoulder.

  239. bh says:

    Yeah, Abe. We also have to remember that nishi doesn’t know how many Supreme Court justices there are, thinks the Civil Rights Act was almost thwarted by Republicans, thinks Obamacare was a political boon for the Dems and predicted that the Dems were going to bring up immigration reform right before the election.

    She probably has a very idiosyncratic meaning for merit.

  240. Squid says:

    Well, I identify as a social con, and I’m not interested in your bedroom.

    I think a big part of the problem here is in labeling. There’s a vast chasm between the social conservative who doesn’t want to pay for other people’s “lifestyle choices,” and the social con who doesn’t think those “lifestyle choices” should be legal in the first place.

    I, like many, identify as a not-social-conservative who leans toward the leave-me-the-hell-alone mindset. Seems like we really aren’t that far apart.

  241. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Kate’s natural aristoi in all their glory:

    [T]his most recent generation of the New Elite is the most honest in acknowledging what they see as the real source of its: identity: heredity. They assume they have inherited … superior mental ability. Theirs is a natural superiority, confirmed by tests and conveyed to them repeatedly by teachers and family. And since superiority is for them so certain, there is no reason to do anything with it [sounds like a certain President of the United States, doesn’t it? –E.S.]. There is no need to prove anything further by achievements. Indeed to do so would be to suggest that superior status should be earned through deeds instead of simply existing as the natural inheritance of the gifted few. [bold emphases added]

    DavidLebedoff has Kate and her ilk pegged.

  242. bh says:

    Oh, as a friend’s wife is a Michigan alumni, we should say that this is a fun generalization pulled into service to smack the nutjob around.

  243. LBascom says:

    “the social con who doesn’t think those “lifestyle choices” should be legal in the first place.”

    I would suggest the numbers of those folk are greatly exaggerated.

  244. SDN says:

    LBascom, as long as we can agree that “legal” doesn’t equal either “desirable” or “immune from criticism or consequences” I think you’re right.

  245. bh says:

    I like that Lebedoff passage, Ernst.

  246. LBascom says:

    Yes, legal is different.

  247. Abe Froman says:

    Oh, as a friend’s wife is a Michigan alumni, we should say that this is a fun generalization pulled into service to smack the nutjob around.

    Yeah. I’d never want to saddle the school with nishi as being a typical graduate. It just made too much sense in getting at her psyche.

  248. Abe Froman says:

    I like that passage, but it sort of sounds like WASPs since the beginning of time.

  249. Slartibartfast says:

    So they are not going to compete.

    She did so not just cite Andrew Sullivan on something other than Sarah Palin’s uterus.

  250. nishi the Light of Dawn says:

    The problem is ……dear Jeff…..that America is not a secular nation. It is a judeoxian evolving to a secular nation.
    And the only demographic you capture is…….. the greys.
    Witness the composition of your commentors.

  251. Witness the composition of your commentors.

    …says the thirtysomething teenager. Domo arigato, Mrs. Failboto.

  252. Abe Froman says:

    Witness the composition of your commentors.

    Show me someone your age who routinely comments on blogs and I’ll show you someone with a pathetic, empty life. Also, there’s the inconvenient reality that you’ll never be acquainted with that a great many people are liberal when young and then they get married raise a family and grow the fuck up.

  253. The Lost Dog says:

    Maidda Odon (or is it Odom?)?????

    Yup. You got it right Maida.

    It’s all the rich crackers who owe you a living, not your own personal effort! Your kids? FUCK THEM! OBAMA AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WHO CARE WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM SO I DON’T HAVE TO! WHERE’S THE F’ING RIPPLE?

    Maida: “Yeah, unions! Stick it up those working peoples butt’s! Because they owe us for working their asses off 16 hours a day, and then PAYING us to drink beer and smoke pot while we curse them out for THEIR efforts to employ us, while we do SHIT for mucho dinero.

    OBAMA DOES IT BETTER! You stupid working honky mother fuckers!!!!!

    Obama tells me I get it for NOTHING (except if I don’t vote for him!)

    Hugo Obama! Go, Mother f**ker!!!!!!!

  254. geoffb says:

    Mr. Avlon has a book to sell.

  255. Mueller,Private Eye says:

    the problem is that the right has devolved to a purely religious party.

    No it hasn’t.

    I can do that too.

  256. happyfeet says:

    isn’t that kind of weird how he puts cable news personalities on the cover?

    cable is bad for America. Except for I wanna see that one show with the zombies.

  257. LBascom says:

    Oh, rolling stone. Yes, Tea Party people are all old white freeloaders on motorized chairs.

    Let’s go with that.

  258. JD says:

    If nishit ever makes it into a history book, it will not be a flattering picture painted.

  259. Dave in SoCal says:

    Don’t worry, Happy… if that failshit hoochie Palin defies your wishes and decide to run for Prez in 2012 (thereby threatening the very fabric of the space-time continuum, no doubt) I will buy you a T-shirt so you can express your personal viewpoint as to her undesirable qualities. What size do you wear?

  260. newrouter says:

    It is a judeoxian evolving to a secular nation.

    wearing a sears poncho

  261. Abe Froman says:

    I love that T-shirt picture. A beta male and an ugly fat girl are progressivism personified.

  262. Dave in SoCal says:

    I love that T-shirt picture. A beta male and an ugly fat girl are progressivism personified.

    Maybe Happy and nishi already have that shirt…

  263. winston smith says:

    That’s basically what he’s been doing for a year now.

  264. The Great, Deft, Eternal Comeback of the Nishi:

    “Yeah, well, you’re old.”

    Feel its power, bitches.

    Feel it.

  265. Slartibartfast says:

    A beta male and an ugly fat girl are progressivism personified.

    related

  266. Slartibartfast says:

    the greys

    Might as well drown ’em while they can still remember who they are, right?

  267. Pablo says:

    I’m quite gratified to see that people older than me are still putting points on the board in the NFL.

  268. Jeff G. says:

    Being 40-something is the new 38ish.

  269. um, but who votes in larger numbers? hmmmm?

  270. guinsPen says:

    What’s for supper, grandma?