Just because it’s timely — and because I never tire of happy trotting out his cartoon critique of “Christers” in an effort to point out the perils of stereotyping and discrimination. Harsanyi:
In the 1500s, a pestering theologian instituted something called the Marriage Ordinance in Geneva, which made “state registration and church consecration” a dual requirement of matrimony.
We have yet to get over this mistake. But isn’t it about time we freed marriage from the state?
Imagine if government had no interest in the definition of marriage. Individuals could commit to each other, head to the local priest or rabbi or shaman — or no one at all — and enter into contractual agreements, call their blissful union whatever they felt it should be called and go about the business of their lives.
I certainly don’t believe that gay marriage will trigger societal instability or undermine traditional marriage — we already have that covered — but mostly I believe your private relationships are none of my business. And without any government role in the institution, it wouldn’t be the business of the 9th Circuit Court, either.
As the debate stands now, we have two activist groups trying to force their own ethical construction of marriage on the rest of us. And to enforce it, they have been using the power of the state — one via majority rule and the other using the judiciary (subject to change with the vagaries of public opinion).
[…]
If marriage was a private concern, U.S. District Court Judge Vaughn Walker would not have ruled that California’s Proposition 8 violated the Constitution’s guarantees of equal protection and due process because Proposition 8 would not have existed.
Walker would never have to sit in judgment of Americans and claim that “moral disapproval alone” was behind this plot to define marriage as a union between a one man and one woman.
Moral disapproval alone?
As best as I can tell, support for gay marriage is tepid. A recent CBS poll shows that 42 percent support marriage rights for gays and lesbians, though no state has been able to pass a referendum to legalize same-sex marriage.
Does that mean that approximately half of all voters — and all 7 million Californians who voted for Prop 8 — have no logical or legal reason for believing that marriage should be between a man and women other than bigotry?
Well, yes, if you ask happyfeet. And who are you to question whether happy has the moral authority to pronounce on the craven bigoted immorality of 7 million people from wildly divergent backgrounds and circumstances? After all, Judge Walker did — and we don’t even know him.
Is President Barack Obama, who David Axelrod says opposes same-sex marriage (also subject to change with the vagaries of public opinion, no doubt) a homophobe?
In my world, the answer is: Who cares? Is there any other personal relationship that is defined by government? Other than in legal terms, of course, this one isn’t, either.
Yet, we have decided that either a majority on the Supreme Court or, perhaps, a majority of voters in your state or, even worse, a majority of your legislators in your state have the power to define what is most often the most intimate bond of your life.
Well, there’s that and the thousands of years of precedent about what marriage is and what it isn’t — but to certain libertarians, that’s to be casually tossed aside as “none of their business.”
I disagree. The state has certain reasons to promote certain behaviors — and marriage traditionally understood, though it doesn’t always culminate in new citizens, taxpayers, etc., does at least form the basis for a family structure that historically (and biologically) best serves children.
The point being that the state’s involvement in marriage is only a problem when the courts begin making pronouncements that marriage, as it has long been defined, is itself a kind of arbitrary and illegitimate exercise — that “gender” shouldn’t matter in the makeup of the coupling that comes to count as “marriage”.
And perhaps it shouldn’t matter with respect to couplings. In fact, I’m of the opinion that same sex couples have every right to fall in love and join in unions that provide them with the benefits of other monogamous and legally-recognized couples; what I object to, though — and what many people who aren’t the kinds of cartoon Christers happy and his ilk pretend make up the majority of this country — is courts presuming to announce, by way of fiat, that something that has always been one thing is suddenly something entirely else, simply by virtue of its disdain for the supposed immorality of the rubes who refuse to board the dubious “gender as a social construct” train the court prefers to adopt as the basis for its claim of “rationality.”
There have been instances where definitions both justified and demanded legal change (who, in the US, was legally defined as a person, is one example); but in those instances, there wasn’t the same kind of historical (and cross-cultural) precedent grounding the legal definition in need of change: that is, no one thought blacks (or women) weren’t really humans, so what the legal “re-defining” did was simply correct what had been incorrectly defined in law by the legislature.
Here, the change in marriage corrupts the definition, expanding the scope to essentially deconstruct the meaning of the thing itself.
So is it really any wonder that many Americans are hesitant to allow such an enormous social change without fully considering the potentialities such a change might engender? Labeling that concern “bigotry” or “homophobia” is lazy and cynical — like yelling “racist” at anyone who disagrees with a particular policy position offered by a politician who happens to be black or Hispanic.
Judge Walker’s ruling turns on that very kind of lazy thinking — as well as on advocacy social science that pretends to find that sex is less important than “gender,” and that gender, insofar as it is a social construct, has no basis in anything essential and is instead subjective and self-determined.
Just my bigoted, homophobic, hateful 2 cents.
So we seem to have three issues:
1) The linguistic: The judge says, “Marriage has heretofore (backed by a rich historical, cultural body of thought and usage) meant X, but now I think it should mean X+Y.”
2) The reasoning for the change: The judge says, “The rich historical, cultural body of thought and usage is irrelevant and bigoted.”
3) Whether government has a legit interest in stabilizing society by defining, promoting, recording, and licensing marriage in a particular way.
And I agree with you on all three.
Strike the word “marriage” from the law and legal documents. I’ve been in favor of this for years. In California, that would be easy-peasy, since we already Civil Unions which convey every single right and privilege of marriage.
already *have*
damnit
o__o
I have the feeling (since I cannot back it up with polls) that a majority of people would agree to the idea of civil unions to make the issue moot (or at least wouldn’t be outraged over them), if it were just about getting equal protections under the law. However, this issue is not about that at all, as has been pointed out in this post.
On a related but different issue, can I (unmarried and no children) legally designate (in Colorado) somebody to be my “Designated Visitor” if I’m hospitalized? My pastor probably has privileges.
I know you can designate people to handle your medical affairs, T+T, but it’s complicated (or at least it requires government forms and the like, notarization, etc.). I don’t know specific Colorado law, though.
Also, one can always lie and claim a blood relation when visiting someone in ICU or wherever. It happens all the time.
Remember how the Gore breakup, at first Sally Quinn, said it showed how we can’t measure up, then weeks later, it showed why ’till death do us part’ is just dangerous fluff, that’s Seven Sisters dingbattery, but it’s a sample of this ‘bearded spock’ universe we live in now, Where Kirk murdered Pike to become
Captain
Very well said, Jeff. And I think Spiny Norman’s suggestion in #2 is just about the only way out of this mess now. You want leagal rights and responsibilites for your relationship? Fill out this Civil Union form and file it with the Town Clerk. You want to be married? Go find a “church” that will acknowledge and bless your union. The two should be unrelated.
There is another way out, although I think the odds of it happening are low. A constitutional amendment defining marriage. I’d say the likelihood of that is greater today than it was yesterday, and if the question of forcing churches to perform gay marriages is not settled, I’d say the likelihood will go way, way up.
Unintended consequences and all that.
I’m hungry, bigots. We will talk about this more laters.
Judge Walker is a moron idiot by the way I can’t help him.
But for you guys “fully considering the potentialities such a change might engender” and thinking of ways to mitigate any negative potentialities is a lot a manageable thing but you have to try it won’t just happen for you.
I think Harsanyi has it right by the way but I need to rtwt and I have to go get foozles.
“We need to pass it to see what’s in it” — happyfeet Pelosi
How progressive, staunchest.
So far I haven’t seen any commentary on the testimony of the plaintiffs to the suit as such, which testimony contains some interesting matter in itself, apart from the issues raised in the judgment and subsequently (hell, prior, too) in politics.
From the court’s summary of that testimony at pp 12 – 13:
Is anyone struck by the juxtaposition of the statements “I’m a 45-year-old woman. I have been in love with a woman for 10 years […]” and “[…] I don’t have a word to tell anybody about that.”?
That is, she has, so far as I can see, perfectly good words to tell anyone about that, but not the magical word? Similarly with the confusion over “partner”? That these intelligent people cannot describe the thing they are already in without the magic word “marriage”?
If the word has any magical properties at all, and I only partly jest here, if, I say, then how might these folk think of the magical properties heretofore perceived about that magic in the minds of the heterosexuals to whom the definition formerly applied? Is the magic gone for them now?
The best way is to insure Equal Protection for gay couples through Civil Unions and not redefine marriage, which would close the floodgates to other lawsuits about age of consent, polygamy or cousin hitchin’
See how easy that was?
I agree. The state really has no business in the institution, other than dealing with issues of children and property when such unions fall apart. And given that a sizable number of children are raised in unions not involving marriage, well so what.
“I disagree. The state has certain reasons to promote certain behaviors — and marriage traditionally understood, though it doesn’t always culminate in new citizens, taxpayers, etc., does at least form the basis for a family structure that historically (and biologically) best serves children.”
Not to mention that the idea of “no government role in marriage” seems ill thought out. How then, are we to re-work rules about spousal benefits (government and non-government)? Rules about discrimination on the basis of marital status? Rules about inheritance, end of life decisions, etc…. These don’t arise out of just an agreement between two parties (and maybe their religion). These arise out of policy decisions too.
So “awkwardness” is now a legal definition of discrimination?
I’m assuming that after Zarrillo and his “spouse” clearly defines the whole “partnership” thing that the bank didn’t deny them a joint account … on account of the Civil Union paper that they no doubt presented.
Seriously? Is this where we are now? Co-opting a word makes all of the relationships better and more secure and friendlier to the family folk?
Gah!
I didn’t say we need to pass it to see what’s in it but we need to a lot think about the ramifications of passing it before the boomers die and the millenials inherit the earth. What are the expected harms? How could extending marriagings to gay people be done in a way what doesn’t lead to scary litigations and other such anticipated harms?
You have to work the problem. Just digging your heels in is a loser strategy. And for all the talk of how salutary civil unions are Team R has never been any sort of champion of them whatsoever.
ah, the tick back to feed. Gotta have that blood.
*millennials*
And … what stops them from using the words “husband” pr “wife ” or , even for that matter “married” in their private life? Are the marriage [police a gonna come and fine them for using verboten words?
Please!
I posted this on the thread below, but it is worth posting again. You know, for an old dead white dude, Holmes made a lot of sense:
Holmes is rolling over in his grave with this crap. But Holmes said some other cool things too:
“This is a court of law, young man, not a court of justice.”
“The great act of faith is when a man decides he is not God.”
“I have no respect for the passion of equality, which seems to me merely idealizing envy.”
and
“I should like to see any kind of a man, distinguishable from a gorilla that some good and even pretty woman could not shape a husband out of.”
(that last one pertains to me, thanks Honey)
Yeah, I was struck by this passage hard as I read it BJT. It is the crux though, I think, strange as that may seem.
‘feets I’ll lock arms with you and bring my bona fide social/religious conservative cudgel and we’ll both fight within the the party and whatever state you choose for Civil Unions.
Problem solved!!
sdferr
I don’t understand what is preventing those couples from using the words husband or wife in any case. People will smirk or pretend not to understand, but they would likely do that anyway. If the issue is just for clarity or to save time, then just grab that bull by the horns and own that bitch.
Now if you will excuse me, I have to go xerox a kleenex.
You know the Communists wanted to destroy concepts like church, marriage and family. Funny how they managed to get their way through the back door (no pun intended) of gay marriage.
Too slow.
okeydokey but Mr. BJ but I suspect there’s a barn already what is bereft of a horse
that should just be okeydokey Mr. BJ ok going to eat for reals
I could care less who couples with who, other than when it impacts me. While gay marriage, per se, does not impact me too much, using some arguable moral stand to justify judicial made law because Democracy is just too damn hard is a big problem.
That does affect me.
“Is there any other personal relationship that is defined by government?” It would be easier to ask what relationships are not defined or regulated by government.
We already took care of all that here in California, with civil unions. But that wasn’t good enough, because of the “awkwardness”.
You keep sucking Tick, it’s just what you do.
Here is the problem when you allow judges to get away with this crap. Where does it stop?
Many of you (myself included) hate the idea of the Cordoba Islamic Center near ground zero (especially in a building where the landing gear from one of the planes fell into). But I would not violate first amendment protections to stop that project (there are other ways, albeit limited).
But what if some judge, not liking the result, came up with some decision that allowed that to happen. And the Supreme Court affirmed it. And then years later, some progressive used that decision to justify curtailing speech he or she deemed offensive…
It can lead to unanticipated results.
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were intended as a firewall to protect us from tyrany. Now gay marriage (like abortion) is not addressed in that document. Marriage was always treated as a matter for the individual states to define, not the federal government.
There is nothing prveenting the states from changing the definition of marriage. Just do it democratically (either through legislatures or by referendum in those states that allow that).
If that is too hard for them to handle, then stay the fuck out of it completely.
42 percent support marriage rights for gays and lesbian
that’s really an a lot a huge number
#9 agile dog:
No, I don’t think it will work like that. The first church that refuses to solemnize a homosexual marriage will be sued out of existence, first amendment or no.
and they deserve it, the bigots.
Not as big as 58 though.
what say we have gay marriage and then reintroduce marriage classic would that work?
– The whole state involvement in “marriage”, was and is, simply another way to tax.
“No, I don’t think it will work like that. The first church that refuses to solemnize a homosexual marriage will be sued out of existence, first amendment or no.
and they deserve it, the bigots.”
Do religious institutions face lawsuits for discriminating on the traditional civil rights bases, like gender, race, religion or national origin?
#34 legs:
Go through the probate code and look over who gets when a decedant dies intestate. It is mind-boggling, and yes the definitions are there. And the probate code rose out of the old ecclesiastical courts before the English crown took them over. None of this stuff occurs in a vaccum, even if the state is using a drafted from whole cloth model probate code. There is a long history here and untieing these definitions are going to have ramifications that I cannot even begin to fathom and Judge Walker can’t either.
– As a private operation you can be as inhospitable, cantankerous, bigoted, and discriminatory as you wish, but you have to do it on your own dime.
– As soon as you accept public/Fed/State/City funding or tax benefits, you open yourself up to all sorts of finagling and political manipulation by other special interest groups.
that’s very apt
stupid activist christers and matrimonious bridezilla homos both need to tell the government to go fuck itself
ok on the count of three
Actually, my understanding is that you have to toe the line as soon as you offer commercial services – i.e., renting out the Church hall for weddings to cover the costs of maintenence etc. That’s the angle they’re taking to try to force Catholic Hospitals to perform abortions, and it’s what they did to the Catholic adoption network in Massachusetts.
They know that Churches are dependent upon Federal Tax Exempt status (State Tax Exempt status – think property tax – often piggybacks on the IRS determination) because they don’t make and sell a lot of stuff. They’re allready planning to move to revoke this status from any Church or organization that doesn’t comply on account that their “bigotry” should not be “subsidized.”
nobody outside of Kentucky uses a church hall for a reception anymore… might as well just go to the jp and get tacos after if you’re gonna be a cheap-ass
Circa 60% of the U.S.A. can’t all be composed of activist christers. Lots of regular, normal people. Lots and lots.
Crap! Do you have any idea what a horrific mess it makes when you snort Red Gatorade onto a desk?
Why do you dissemble when the real totalitarian aspects of this decision and the plans of the activists behind it are shown to you?
Alec I think the vast majority of people would be a lot unruffled by gay marriagings and we know this casue of the places where it’s been legalized… cause it just doesn’t change the price of anyone’s peabnut bubber
that’s not dissembling Alec that’s true I know this cause of … I just know it… Wedding Inc has pretty much obliterated the church hall wedding reception competition
#42, oh, yeah. That’s why Catholic Charities doesn’t handle adoptions in Massachusetts. They got sued and penalized into oblivion for not adopting children to gay couples.
I suppose the rest of us should just accept that we’ve been tyrannized and get used to it?
Fags ate reasonably priced peanut butter before Faaabulous Vaughn Walker’s decision too, no?
plus most churches can’t really serve alcohol cause of their insurance
hf,
It isn’t just the gay marriages that are the problem here: in addition to that it’s the issue of faddist courts using bad reasoning to overturn law,
You’ve sort of just revealed the class in which you circulate, I think.
I don’t understand this. The government wouldn’t have anything to do with marriages is my understanding of it. Civil Unions would be under the purview of government, not marriage.
matrimonious bridezilla homos
They have a show on A&E or something that proves homos are better at being brides than women.
The bride wants some tacky horrible wedding, and the gay guy puts her right.
I don’t think it’s a HUGE leap to say the guy is gay. Honestly, would a straight guy become a wedding planner? amiright?
oh. *cause* of the places where it’s been legalized I mean
“i.e., renting out the Church hall for weddings to cover the costs of maintenence etc.”
– Unless you have a legal set aside, any sort of money raising beyond simple voluntary contributions can be immediately seized upon as a public/business function, and again opens you up to the same attacks. Private means private. Privately funded, privately owned, privately operated.
he’s like that little fish what attaches to a shark underneath kinda
hf,
Who is it that’s like the remora?
faddist courts using bad reasoning to overturn law are bad and this ruling should be overturned
remora! the little gay wedding planner guy
faddist courts using bad reasoning to overturn law are bad and this ruling should be overturned
I thought we established that yesterday already
Judge Walker’s ruling turns on that very kind of lazy thinking…
Pitiful, isn’t it that, as we see over and over amongst Progressives, Judge Walker relies upon the very same bigoted thinking he attributes to/projects upon others? It is/reminds me of Communist “thinking” all over again, where the Communists end up producing in the real world the very epitome of the classist Master-Slave State they allege to criticize within their fantasyworld.
And, hey, if “history is class warfare”, how are the Communists themselves going to escape their own alleged mechanistic principle in the first place?
Likewise with their attack on Marriage, why would we not expect the Proggs to end up producing the very same Authoritarian, “might makes right”, destructive and regressive “marriage” between people that they claim to oppose? After all, for Communists, “History is class warfare.”
I’m not really sure that 42% constitutes the “vast majority”. Let me get a calculator.
I’m just saying most people just shrug and get on with their day cause there are many adventures to have
When you boat a marlin, a whole bunch fall off all over the deck. They’d actually be kind of scary looking if they were bigger.
Yes, hf, I would agree that the majority of Americans have a very libertarian spirit. They just want to be left alone to drink their beers and watch their 2 1/2 Mens and contemplate the start of preseason footballs that is almost here.
Cupcakes no doubt counts on having many more adventures as they will most certainly come for him last.
In my view, legal marriage is a contract. The State’s interest in marriage is singularly as arbiter of contracts. Property, that is all. Boink. Done. Here I see the State saying, Welcome, Gays, to the wonderful world of divorce court where your property is arbitrated based on the contract you’ve made through us.” You’re thinking Luuuuuuuurve, while you should be thinking, lawyerrrrrr$$$ZZSSSS$$$.
Other than that marriage is a state of mind, and being of human origin states of mind change over time, the silly things. Oh! Speaking of silly things, would you care to have a look at the pop-up card I just now mailed off to my brother whom I love enduringly? <http://bour3.com/animations/uploads22/crocodilePopUpCard.html>It’s silly as hell.
I’ve never boated a marlin! My whole life. that would be way more funner than agitating about whether gay people can get married to each other or not but the next person what reminds us that gay people are perfectly free to marry straight people has to buy the cupcakes
Who’s going to refill the hampster’s water bottle?
bour3 speaks wisdom
is there supposed to be a link?
it haunts me too Mr. sdferr
Apologies. I parsed incorrectly the link to the pop-up card.
Goddamnit! http://bour3.com/animations/uploads22/crocodilePopUpCard.html
here is the link for the new card fittingly it has an adventure theme
an epic adventure theme
– Speak of the> devil…
– Apparently he has a history of picking and choosing the “discrimination’s” he likes.
What gets me about the whole thing (and gets me in a lot of hot water with my gay friends) is that they can advocate all they want to about acceptance and equality, and as we’re seeing, they can even enjoy a lot of success at forcing such acceptance on the culture through force of law. But it doesn’t matter whether a judge or a legislature sets up a structure for gay marriage — the truth is that the same people who look crosseyed at Peter and his husband Paul today will do the same after legalization.
Gay couples may feel more confidence after they have a little piece of paper that says they’re for-reals married now, but it isn’t going to change the looks they get when they talk about it at Happy Hour. In the meantime, they’re pissing off a lot of their friends who’d rather not talk about it, and who kinda resent being forced to talk about by virtue of having Change shoved down their throats.
And yes — Happy Hour with my gay friends is often an interesting event.
– Actually I agree with the lawyers on the side of majority rule and the state Constitution, and I could care less if the judge is a transvestite from Transylvania with a really bad haircut and raging herpes.
– They plan on appeal to the wrongness of the decision, and not for recluse reasons.
I have boated several marlin. It is a lot of fun.
And if they don’t, we’ll just rule their legislated non-change into forced changed.
Because they are silly things. With the exception of those doing the ruling, and people who think like them. Those ones get it.
– I have never boated a transvestite, but I imagine that would be a lot of fun also.
Individuals could commit to each other, head to the local priest or rabbi or shaman — or no one at all — and enter into contractual agreements, call their blissful union whatever they felt it should be called and go about the business of their lives.
What legs said in #17. The state is involved for the purpose of settling disputes that arise from marriage and the breakup thereof, and settling disputes is a necessary and legitimate reason for even having governments (redress of grievances).
When y’all talk about “civil unions,” do you mean that every type of couple can have a civil union under the law but if they want actual marriage they have to repeat the ceremony in their church?
That’s not a solution; that’s just legalizing same-sex marriage and giving it a different label even though functionally it would be exactly the same as marriage.
Right now, the state sanctions “civil unions” between one man and one woman, and if you want something else, you go elsewhere.
If you include same-sex couples in “civil unions,” then that IS same-sex marriage; you’ve just changed the name to pretend that it isn’t really marriage.
Besides, it’s ludicrous to assert that marriage is a purely religious construct simply because it’s mostly religious people who defend it right now. Marriage chronologically precedes the state and precedes any organized religion.
If it’s just religious people defending marriage (Our Host’s current post notwithstanding), that’s a pretty sad statement on the secular world, who doesn’t have a compelling reason for abandoning the concept of marriage outside of distaste for god-botherers. What, marriage doesn’t benefit atheists and agnostics the same as it benefits believers?
Please.
it’s a sample of this ‘bearded spock’ universe we live in now, Where Kirk murdered Pike to become Captain
And Greedo shot first.
And Dewey defeated Truman.
– The message that the American people are sending legislators and courts is “leave marriage the fuck alone”. They are the ones not getting it.
– They tend to get it when they fail at the voting place.
I boated a 300 lbs. bronze whaler shark once. We started butchering it on deck and about a dozen live pups popped out of her. A ceasarian. We threw them back and they swam away (although the captain recommended they would be tasty grilled). The tates of the shark was okay, kinda like mako/swordfish.
I do not care for judge made law.
I never liked bearded Spock or Bizzaro Superman.
– This whole approach of “voters as morons” is going to cost some people their cushy gov jobs before its over.
I boiled the fins on that shark and made some kick ass shark fin soup.
well the important thing I think is that gay people have a relationship they can enter what is a legal equivalent to what married people have and then whatever you want to call it everyone can just call it “marriage” cause it would be really silly to have two words for the same thing
“cause it would be really silly to have two words for the same thing”
– And even sillier to call a Giraffe an airplane.
– Marriage has been defined since ancient times. If you want to so something else, then give it a different name. Anything else would be silly.
As for whether churches will get sued good and hard…
Every single time my church wants to build one of these, we have to wade through a gauntlet of lawsuits, protests, town hall meetings, and other nasty stuff as the locals freak completely out about the eeeevil Mormons doing horrible things to their neighborhoods.
Construction can be delayed for YEARS as they complain that the steeple will shade the freeway (Boston) or that traffic patterns will be unbearable or whatever. Then after we finally get out of court and finish the thing, the property values in the adjascent neighborhoods go up because of the pretty temple in their midst, and the locals start boasting about it to outsiders.
Every. Damn. Time.
Also, you might want to ask BYU about the Title 9 problems they’ve had because they insist on sex-segregated living quarters (off-campus and on).
Or the time the LDS church wanted to close off a one-block section of street in downtown SLC and turn it into a pedestrian mall to join the two adjacent blocks that the church owned. The city counsel had proposed closing that street for traffic-flow purposes since the 1970s but had never gotten around it. The church paid the city cold hard cash for the street, and all propriety was excruciatingly observed.
Naturally, the ACLU decided that the church was violating first-amendment rights by controlling activity in the private property it had just acquired, because that property wasn’t really private, it was PUBLIC, because you could walk on it from one public sidewalk to another. EASEMENT!
Years and years we endure the screeching and the hysterics and the protests about the EEEEVIL church not permitting people to smoke or swear or make out on their own property.
Of course, now that the thing is built (and gated, so that the doors can close once a year so it won’t be called an easment), nobody is complaining about it at all.
But I promise you, every time the church moves a finger, somebody files a legal challenge, regardless of merit, because we obviously deserve it.
– Hey, there’s a lot of gold to be mined in activism, and looking at the sort of freaks that do it for a living I can easily surmise it’s about the only way they could make a buck.
this is the church this is the steeple open the doors and see all the people!
except not that one over there he’s a poofter we don’t talk to him
Well, you got to have something to talk about while the spread is out between marlin. FYI, Ol’ Gunny Mac is not a fan of teh Ghey marriage, though he does have a funny story about his “friend” who had a confusing experience with a prostitute in TJ whose gender may or may not have matched his/her sex.
“…But I promise you, every time the church moves a finger, somebody files a legal challenge, regardless of merit…”
– I take it Mosques get a pass from the Left.
I’ve never lain with a prostitute!
How about I remind people that straight people are not free to marry the same sex, either?
Well, dicentra, according to South Park, you guys are the only ones who’ll get into heaven, so I guess we have to make it hell on earth for you while we can.
pretty sure you still have to buy the cupcakes
– They couldn’t reasonably consider themselves as “straight” di, if they “married” a same sex partner.
A word of wisdom – do your due diligence before you pay.
Didn’t Howard ‘Yeargh’ Dean, change churches over a bike path, which proves what a twink he is
I imagine just picking one out is half the fun it’s like cupcakes
except you never have to ask a cupcake to be gentle
BBH, let’s say they wanted all the legal benefits that such a contractual decision affords? I could see it happening often. If one doesn’t have a family, one could “marry” a friend to be sure that one has someone to look after them and their property, without all the hassles required if they aren’t married. A father or mother could “marry” a daughter (or son) to avoid inheritance issues, or to make sure that only one child gets all the money.
The possibilities are endless in this scenario, and are not out of line with what could happen.
A cupcakes is generally only digested once during its useful life. Prostitutes and cupcakes are very often frosted, though, so the analogy stands.
that’s kinda hot
Think Katy Perry in that California cupcake video. She’d be a ‘spaaansive one, though.
this is the church this is the steeple open the doors and see all the people!
except not that one over there he’s a poofter we don’t talk to him
That does not strike me at all as a very fair observation.
bjork marries eggs and flour
and makes cakes out of them…
OT: Obama talked about “Freedom of Worship” recently, not freedom of religion. I doubt he chose his words incorrectly. I wonder what he meant.
Was just reading some letter Burke sent some fancy pants and he says something like, paraphrasing obviously, “The social contract is also between the dead, the living and the not yet born.”
Which, that’s Burke for ya. Feels relevant to this issue. The dead offer tradition and the trial and error lessons learned over time. Not necessarily the best possible tradition but the assuredly functional. And the not yet born might see something that at least looks a bit different under the sun and want to tinker around here and there.
Federalism seems to offer a pretty good resolution to this inescapable tension. As long as the spirit of the not-yet-born is acted on through the legislature.
My dumb ass 2 cents anyways.
Well, dicentra, according to South Park, you guys are the only ones who’ll get into heaven, so I guess we have to make it hell on earth for you while we can.
Fair enough. Everybody back on your heads.
In other news, conservative gays boast that “our gays are more macho than their straights”.
The Mormons built a temple along a highway in San Diego (La Jolla, actually). I’m not sure if people fought against it or not, but it’s pretty, and it’s a landmark now. I know no one in my family cared, but we’re conservatives.
it’s time to win!
Obama talked about “Freedom of Worship” recently, not freedom of religion. I doubt he chose his words incorrectly. I wonder what he meant.
It didn’t go unnoticed:
All you wingers calling Obama a commie? Stop it right now!
Thank you, dicentra. The fact is, I turned on Glen Beck’s teevee show a little while ago and he mentioned it, which reminded me I had heard it earlier this week.
“The possibilities are endless…”
– Which is exactly why you don’t start legislating social constructs against all sanity and the will of the people to support the desires and aims of a minority. There is no benefit to a society to do such a thing.
– If a special interest group wants to engage in some offbeat activities, then it should do so in its own way and with its own words and idea’s, and stop trying to hijack religion.
– As others have pointed out, including you and I, marriage is an ancient social contract/construct that was not religious based originally.
Messed that up. The notion above was in
.
In the letter I was just reading he was talking about how innovators aren’t reformers and innovators are probably French anyways and so could use a good killing.
That’s exactly how I wanted it to look. I won’t conform to your precious formatting tradition. Innovation!
– Wonder if most of the threads on this site are getting sidetracked in Digg. ::schnort::
– The Saudi’s have outlawed Blackberries. They say they are afraid they’re being used by subversive groups in a way they can’t monitor. The UAE is doing the same.
– Wonder if that will work? /sarc
I’ve never boated a marlin either.
Banged one once though. Used a great white shark as a condom. Just because I could.
jeez i watched delta force last night and look who shows up
this is kinda nifty
– Attack of the little limey men?
Ran out of marlins that day. They either died of exhaustion or were split in half, whichever came first. Sure wasn’t me.
if ur all drowning
and shit and panicky and
bjork throws u a life preserever
she’s just fucking with you…
who put that icebjorg in the titantics way?
who’s from iceland?
vanilla ice?..ice ice baby?
ask yourself..why do ice cream trucks circle ur neighborhood?
are they lost?
hail is just the lords reminder/hoping to plunk u on the head
that bjorks coming and we’re all gonna die..
hail bjork
full of grace…
Kinda the purpose of having different words for different things is highlighting distinctions between them. Calling gay unioning “marriage” makes the language dumber by saying it’s impolite to highlight the difference between procreational vag sex and recreational butt sex.
Butchering a Ric Locke nugget here, but why not also change the name of salad to “hamburger” so that vegetarians can finally eat hamburgers?
Btw, if I was to say that modern academics are moral cretins, would that be using a broader brush than someone who explicitly narrows their slurs?
when i was little snot nosed kid
my dad had a boat and he’d take me and my
brother out fishing in boston harbor
and after like twenty minutes
and not catching anything i’d whine
and say/ can we go in now?
but my brother and dad were all like/fuck no..
so i’d sit in the back of the boat with a puss on
and listen to casey kasems top forty..
i used to hate fishing..
but now that i’m of legal drinking age..
fishing is awesome!
You would run afoul of the Leftist injunction against “generalization.” “Generalization,” it would seem, is appropriate only when those being generalized are ignorant christers.
I’m of the mind that the statement would be what was recently recognized here as a “bad generalization”.
If we give them everything they want, do you think they’ll do it with their own monies or will they still want to raise our taxes ?
(Offbeat?)
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Baldwin v Missouri (dissenting).
Pretty smart Yankee that Holmes was.
Peggy Noonan starts to get it (but she says she ‘got it’ first in 1994)…
You’re damned straight it is.
If I were gay, I would find guys like this to date…
They are absolutely correct. Outlaws.
BBH 101: Sooner or later, us hatey Christian types are going to start realizing that the way to get churches treated the same as mosques is to take the same loving approach mosque attenders are famous for……
which should improve the market for Ryder trucks and ammonium nitrate, if nothing else.
“Inner pessimism and powerlessness: That is a dangerous combination.”
– Yes. I seem to remember that Britain found that out the hard way.
“The Power of the Powerless”
link
and more havel
I read this book like a year ago and it really is eery how similar Havel’s struggles to pierce the fog of leftist bullshit are to what we’re confronting.
Ummm, guys? Vaclav Havel is a modern academic.
Moral cretin.
no he’s not
It’s okay, newrouter, being a modern academic doesn’t actually make you a moral cretin.
That was also from his wiki.
“…to what we’re confronting.”
– Confronting? I wonder.
– So far I see no signs to believe we are confronting this obvious attempt to Change the Republic to some sort of pseudo Eurotrash Socialism.
– I’m given to believe, if an almost unlimited set of historical examples can be trusted, that it will collapse under its own built in flaws, just as it always does.
– The really bad part is that as it runs its course it almost always costs a lot of social harm and chaos, and human life. That is really the worst aspect of Totalitarianism, soft or otherwise.
– The founders gave us the necessary tools to quench this sort of attack. It’s just a question as to whether we choose to use them.
Good point BBH, confronted with would have been more apropos.
If it helps, newrouter, I’m not disagreeing with Havel or calling him a hypocrite. Nor was I giving you or Abe a hard time.
Havel, generally considered a moral man, having lately indulging in some academics, just fell into my lap when I was thinking about generalizations and which ones might be bad.
this could be more fucked up
maybe
– I’m no longer even accepting the Leftist gambit of word warping, so I don’t accept that the unraveling of our social fabric all around us is any sort of generalization. It’s all to real for anyone who cares to look.
– The only choices left at this point is whether we will stand up to it now while it can be done with the Constitution and voting, the less aggressive tools of Democracy. or we wait until it requires the use of a gun.
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havel is a true academic with real life and history changing experiences.
ward churchil, howard zinn et al not so much
Sometimes I wonder how it is that human beings, who invented politics after all, could manage to lose their grasp of it so easily? It’s an odd thing.
#157 – Yes. Fucked up indeed. Unless the perp was actually putting himself and others at risk, ala fire in the crowded theater.
– The article doesn’t touch on what actually caused his arrest, and you know the MFM. You’d have no idea she was lying down in Duke until 12 months later when they fired the Prosecutor.
I see your distinction, nr. Myself, I normally think of them simply as proggs though. The academic aspect is neutral. Similarly, sometimes you hear people talk like the Baby Boomers wanted to destroy the country’s institutions. No, the proggs did. The generational aspect is neutral. Same with novelists, musicians, historians, and all the other secondary classifications used as occasional proxies for the political.
Maybe this belongs here too.
I agree, bh. It’s part of why I cringe when a sort of reflexive, categorical anti-elitism leads us on a path which ends with a white trash moron like Sarah Palin being taken seriously.
I feel you
Somehow or other I’ve got Vaclav Havel and Vaclav Klaus always tied together in an inseparable pairing, like a salt and pepper set. They go together like Hamilton and Madison go together, or Jefferson and Adams. So if one doesn’t wish to think Havel an academic, think Klaus instead.
Hmmm: Palin sends out fundraising letter … for the RNC
The odds of this thread hitting 1000 just spiked dramatically, Abe. Heh.
I’m probably a 6 where you’re an 8 or a 9 on the Palin rejection scale but, yes, exactly, that impulse needs to be recognized and strongly rejected.
havel was what all the dopers like billy ayers aspire to be. toppling a system.
hey Sarah Palin and her super best friend Michael Steele are gonna go see Scott Pilgrim tonight they said to ask if you wanna come? haha you can’t come you’re not invited loser
ha you shoulda seen your face
I’d like to see Mitt say one day that there are many good things he can do for the republic, and that first among them is not running for the presidency in 2012. That would show me he’s on the ball. Until then, I’m going to take him for a deluded ass.
– Think the commentator at Hot Air was being a little evasive. She made it very clear she was “joining” the RNC as an outside agent, and latter referring to turning the GOP more toward the Tea Party goals snf conservative values.
Heh: Romney driving pick-up truck to fundraisers now
– Annnnnddddd cupcakefeets is off to the races…..
grizzly womens can do a lot of things like scribble on facebook and catch salmon and have babies and bibble babble on cable but they’re for shit at straddling fences
center of gravity is all wrong I think I read
Hey they have a seven million dollar shortfall, feets, someone has to help make up the difference, back in the Pliestoscene era, early 2009, when vizier Murphy was saying opposing Obama was going to ut the GOP in the Ice Age, she along with Jindal, Perry, and yes, even Sanford, held the line against the stimulus,
The legislators in the Big Easy, accidentally voted for the funds, Perry held fast, the Hogs in Alaska swallowed it whole, on a day she was at a prolife speech speaking of resources and missile defense
– She could straddle my fence anytime she liked cupcake.
– Don’t know about PONTUS, but with her hunting skills I imagine she’d make a good secretary of state.
sexist
– mea very coppa
helping the RNC with their 7 million dollar fiasco is no different than redistributing monies to “the states” for so they don’t have to layoff any of their loser union employees
The Russians dubbed her the Okhanitsa, the Huntress, (I got that from Roger Kimball) she’s much tougher
than she lets on, now the Stache, John Bolton, who was one of those who scouted her out, back in 2007, would make a great Secretary of State
I really enjoy Top Chef. If you watch it with the sound off, you don’t have to listen to any of their incessant whining and bitching, but you can learn a lot from them.
“You go to war, with the army you got’ and Steele and the other clowns are the one we ended up with, with three months to go we can’t really be choosy
– She’s just being practical feets. We have a two party system, like it or lump it, but its somewhat encouraging that Steele, or someone in the RNC, must have convinced her they were open to getting back to what they said they stood for since the days of Lincoln.
No spoilers, JD. Haven’t seen it yet.
– Yeh, I love the Stache, but he’s way too candid. Wouldn’t last two months with the way the MFM would go after him, and he’d call them on it every time.
Oh, I am watching it On Demand, bh.
Boehner was just saying that about Ryan, BBH.
Ryan is still kicking though.
Abe, I do not want Sarah Palin to run for President in 2012. I do not think she is ready. But she is not a white trash moron. And I would take Sarah over Obama or Biden.
You know if he had a Lousiana drawl, I would suspect our little pickachu was Dan Fagan, her mortal enemy
up there in what she calls ‘God’s Country’, he’s a real reactionary. who just happens to cut off any promising conservative off at the knees, and then wonders why there are none, ‘things that make you say hmm” , You know it didn’t matter that she had actually done something for gays with the veto of the anti
domestic partnership bill, that she didn’t pushed prolife issues in the legislature, that she had kept
the bars open in her town up into the early hours, or that she’s a Van Halen and ACDC fan, she’s just
a christer in your book
– Yes well, you have to tread a careful path. People are pissed about what they see as way too much Leftist crap, potential taxation, along with the economic meltdown and conflagrate spending, but they also don’t want to go back to the stuffy staid form of Governance either. So its not an easy row for any candidate.
I’ve never seen ‘feets and Bjork in the same room either, George.
Hmmm.
– Well maybe you have bh. You just didn’t recognize him/her in the bunnie costume.
Look the choices were abysmal last time, I was for Guiliani, but they tore him down, before he reached the starting gate, Romney, as Iowahawk would say in a different context ‘Roman please’ Huckabee, moving on, so we ended up with McCain, who had been a bur under. . .for the better part of a decade.
Padma Lakshmi and Reshma Shetty rock rock rock.
Nobody has ever seen me and Tiger Woods in the same room.
Not clothed.
– We would know anyway JD. You always shank your 7 iron.
Abe, I do not want Sarah Palin to run for President in 2012. I do not think she is ready. But she is not a white trash moron. And I would take Sarah over Obama or Biden.
The white trash part is debatable. She does jog.
The second thing Mitt says he can do for the republic is take Lindsey Graham along on a business trip to Morocco, where as it happens Lindsey gets lost in the suk in Tangier while shopping for carpets, never to be seen again. Turns out later it’s rumored that Lindsey has been kidnapped to become the butt-boy of a notoriously lascivious Tuareg camel merchant and smuggled out of Morocco to Mali, or was it Algeria? Wherever it is, it’s hot. And sandy, but not sandy like those christmas cookies.
You guys don’t understand, you don’t need money, or an organization, or leaders that can actually, like, lead.
You just need to click your heels together three times and staunchly say “there’s no place like a balanced budget” three times and everything will magically go back to normal.
And there is no way the Republican candidate can win without the LA and NY hipster vote, so obviously Palin is right out.
Can Palin win the 2012 campaign without having to talk? That would be magic.
did you write a check Mr. Moe for reals?
I only shank my driver, BBH. I am money with the irons and short game and flat stick.
I find this point a bit frustrating, ‘feets, because I’m one of the bigger gay normalization advocates here and I totally agree with her statement.
It’s entirely possible to intellectually support all the goofy shows on Bravo and still think some aspects of societal change should come through the expressed will of the people.
I’m doing it right now. Really. Honestly and truly. Not even breaking a sweat.
– Anyone who thinks her a moron is a bit stultified on that. She’s a bit country-ish/rural in her speech and idea’s, which is only natural, but she’s shown herself to be naturally intelligent, adaptive, and very tough.
– I agree with Joe. Short on the hard nose Washington type of experience she’d need to survive and govern well.
To the RNC? Hell no. But more because of Steele than Palin. T
I’m just answering Mr. smiley’s contention that she should get some kind of credit for supporting domestic partnership benefits.
Mr. smiley at #191
Oh. Carry on.
I’m not giving any monies to politics this year
And yet she vetoed the bill because it ran up against the state constitution, she put a PP member on the state supreme court, because she kind of had to, the other guy was a lefty who ended up mishandling the
Johnson case
she’s a keeper I don’t know why Alaska let her slip away oh well their loss
– I doubt Steele will still be in that seat by 2012. Just don’t think so. If ever the party needed some real campaigning/fund raising abilities in the chair it will be then.
– Here’s a shocker. Maybe Palin is being courted, even as we text.
– That should serve to lower cupcakes blood pressure about 50 ticks, since historically Party chairs are seldom if ever even considered for a run at the big job.
Everyone says they won’t donate but then I buy them two martinis at lunch and sing the Pledge of Allegiance like it’s a Three Dog Night remix.
Works every time.
– I’d do that differently bh.
– I’d announce that I didn’t expect anyone else to buy my rounds what with the upcoming tax increases.
No way she becomes the RNC chair. I’ll gladly put money on that.
sister sarah’s a hell raiser; a president not so much.
with the RNC
a habit is reaching for
the
carriage return
when there
isn’t even a
carriage
I vote for Kodos, Blackwell in that job. There is a touch of irony in that she had in the early going, burned bridges with the party establishment, and then poured napalm on the path. As a result she ended
up working with Democrats for many of her initiatives. Hence when she turned on Obama, the floor gave
out under her. and then they ‘jujitsued her own ethics reform against her, they repeated every charge
no matter how ludicrous, which the McClatchy chain carried down to the lower 48. That’s whar forced
her out to the tune of half a million dollars in legal fees
coughEdGillespiecough
sarah can’t raise money? egads only an academic or anorexic could think that
– Maybe. Politics is a real crap shoot and surprise on the beach.
– If anyone would have told me 10 years ago what the country would be like right now, and who/what would be Pres, I would have thought they’d lost their mind.
She could raise money for both parties.
sister sarah can say big gov’t sucks much quicker than steele
RNC would be a much better place for her.
well yes of course if you think the communist party has a future
bh and abe are cracking me up now. Very funny.
Palin has more cojones than Steele.
Andy Card.
Now Lindsey is like Mt. Burns ‘even when he tries to be goof, he’s still evil”:http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/242693/birth-strategy-talking-immigration-lindsey-graham-daniel-foster Now. she did support him last year, but has come to regret it, just as with Lisa Murkowksi
who stabbed her on the back on ‘death panels’ so she did field a challenger against her, this time around
I agree Sarah Palin as RNC chair could play the role Howard Dean did with the DNC. Polarizing sure, but you want that for your party chair. She is a great fund raiser. Steele lacks the mojo for the job.
Willie the racist hilljack skin-flute player has more cojones than Ms. Lindsey.
– I think Palin would be great as the RNC chair. As long as she made it clear she wasn’t angling for a run all the divisiveness would go out of the MFM balloon, and I think people would embrace her then.
– Under those circumstances she’d be a super fund raiser, and the flyovers who do love her would come back to the fold. Plus the tea partiers are in her camp. So win-win.
I have to agree with sdferr (imagine that). Andy Card would be a hell of a RNC chair too.
Too bad Lee Atwater ain’t around anymore. That guy knew how to kick some donkey.
Ed Gillespie has done it successfully before. And recently. His Rolodex has the recent numbers and he knows the names of these people’s wives and kids.
Also, if he’s successful at the state level this cycle, during the wave midterm election, he’ll be the most important behind the scenes guy since…?
I’m blanking here.
cough
andy has been so effective lately who?
Scooter Libby? (heh, just kidding)
Who redraws the district maps? The R people who will soon think Ed Gillespie is super cool.
more inside the beltway types now!
Those local R people are also the people who like calling people and asking them to vote and contribute towards candidate X for 2012.
Cough.
lindsey graham rnc dude.
like bob bennett
Father Coughlin?
Althouse thinks Kennedy is going to go for it, I hope she is wrong.
Cough.
Rarl Cove!
I did not like edgillespie last time and I won’t like him next time. I do like … http://www.google.com/images?q=cote+de+pablo&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=Yb5cTOiOAs2KONX0sb0J&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CDIQsAQwAA&biw=1280&bih=610
Would you be interested in knowing who wrote much of the Contract With America?
I’m running out of coughs here.
Gillespie. Seriously.
leftist loser seig heil
She’s a hottie JD. Ed Gillespie? Seriously? Did not know that about him.
Then you are a dangerous maniac, JD. And you must be stopped.
no because you had a nice idea 16 years ago doesn’t make you prescient now.
Hey, JD? You see how that has my name on it?
I’ll be in my bunk.
I figured Pablo would appreciate the symmetry with that one. And I did not know that about edgillespie. Still don’t like him, but think more highly of him now.
I like Marco Rubio at the RNC if he fails
Ditto,
About Ziva not Gillespie, ‘let me be perfectly clear’
I like Ed Gillespie, he’s good people. I used to like Vin Weber but he’s been disappeared a long time now. If Marco fails there won’t be any point to having an RNC.
I want someone with theoretical ‘nads, someone that can sit across the table from hodean or MadCow or crissy or any of their ilk and calmly state “that is a lie, and you are a liar, you fucking cocksucking cumguzzling mendoucheous twatwaffle leftist”
Ed Gillespie has many, many daughters even hotter than, uhhh, female Pablo.
And he had the Constitution tattooed on his johnson. The word bromance was coined because he and Reagan so enjoyed one another’s company.
He is Trig’s actual father and has cleverly led Andrew Sullivan astray with false conjecture.
He shot Hamilton and framed Burr.
Cough.
maybe should just get Mr. Krauthammer and call it a day
Step away from the Graphix bong, bh.
– you left out poopyhead.
You’re thinking we all have sports hernias bh?
Dick Cheney. Just to fuck with the moonbats.
if ur in a room with bjork
try not to cough..
that’s one of the ways she steals ur soul…
she collects coughs/ and puts them in a jar with ur name on it…
Dick. Cheney.
That’s a good reason to turn to Scooter B Moe. And fewer heart problems I think.
This is why I can’t do sales.
Better Half just told me she would leave me for Shemar Moore. Bitch.
Herman Cain might be a good choice. Dude has some serious business chops, and can whup up a crowd with the best of them.
Transhuman Dick Cheney. You know he could pull it off.
sauerkraut sux big time peggy noonan
we need more team r elitists now
Maybe Pee Wee Herman
Shemar’s people probably work really hard to keep his name out of these kinds of threads.
Look everyone, it’s very simple. In our new post-traditionalist world the definition of marriage is this: Marriage is any random pair of people–though “pair” and “people” are increasingly optional–who share a fridge for some extended length of time. Now go privilege your narratives, hatuhz!
coughfing fits are fine.. only if u have a cup of coffee in ur hand
hissy fits…
not so much
By the way, the bright white jogbra last night was very disappointing. Boo, boo heavyassedmaterialjogbras, boo.
If you run into his people, please ask them to lose Better Half’s cell number …
Bright white jogbra?
On the Peregrym torso JD. It’s bad enough having to put up with the armored vest all night.
I’m taking this as a no on Gillespie.
That’s fine. I’m changing my vote to Missy Peregrym anyways. She’ll be all, “It’s really hot in here. My clothes are scratchy.”
And, just for kicks, NO, YOU’RE THE ELITIST, NEWROUTER!
oh, I’m a yes on Gillespie, with the proviso that I think there are lots of capable qualified people out there who have what it takes. I’m a no though on Norm Coleman, for instance, or anyone who intends to run for national office in 2012 (not that N.C. does, just I’ve seen his name bandied about elsewhere).
(Not a joke, I like the Rubio idea.)
Fuck, I find myself agreeing with sdferr and JD. But JD is right, we need a RNC chair who can fight.
When I spoke with Mal the Tert on the phone he quietly mentioned how he thought JD might have put something into his drink.
Fact!
That would be one way to find out if Marco has managerial/organizational skills. I’d still rather see him in DC giving Bill Nelson fits though.
When I spoke with JD on the phone he mentioned how heavy an unconscious man can be. Just mentioned it casually.
Fact!
Wrenching it back to something allied with the original topic —
What this judge has to say is irrelevant. There is no “gay marriage” and never will be. “Marriage” was defined long ago, back in the day when “wyf” just meant “woman”. We’ve added complexity and codicils, but the underlying concept is still the same one Og the cave man used when polishing up his club.
What there will be is people compelled at gunpoint to pronounce the Official TRVTH (the Havel quote is horrifying apropos), and what you have there is a simple calculation: “My goons are bigger and badder than your goons.”
And when you reduce it to that, it is wise and prudent to make a complete and careful physical inventory, complete with freshness dating and careful note of any manufacturers’ recalls. It’s so embarrassing to send an urgent requisition up, and get the response, “Sorry, that’s on back order.”
Regards,
Ric
Okay, if Joe agrees with me, I was clearly wrong. edgillespie rocks.
Mal the Ter is a very cool, uber scary smart fellow.
Fact!
Pretty sure Ed Gillespie was the original topic, Ric. Not going to bust your balls this time but let’s stay away from these tangents, okay?
bh follows Shemar Moore and Michael Moore on twitter. FACT !
NO, YOU’RE THE ELITIST, NEWROUTER!
“…the same one Og the cave man used when polishing up his club.”
– Yeh, I can believe that’s what they called it in those days.
bh founded this twitter group … http://twitter.com/mlpcollecting
bh collects these … http://www.webkinz.com/us_en/index.html
– What the duck?
You counter the charge of elitism with words from a continental intellectual, newrouter.
NO, YOU’RE THE ELITIST!
That just doesn’t feel like an insult, JD.
You can give them many different hairstyles. Many. And not just human hairstyles. Pony hairstyles.
Yeah, don’t get what you’re hinting towards.
I forgot how much I enjoy Rescue Me. Great show.
#304 – The curly hair falls really sets off the eye shadow.
Here is the most recent link bh emailed me …
http://www.alaska.net/~kathryn/clothes.htm
– So that would be: “Shut up and show us your falsies”?
bh is internationally known as the Grand Master of these …
http://blogs.citypages.com/dressingroom/2010/05/puppetry_perfor.php
What’s with the insults, JD? We did these things together. You said they’d help us become even closer.
I just don’t get you sometimes.
Anyways, like Jeff was saying with this post, Ed Gillespie probably is our only hope. And he has machine guns for arms.
so you decide elitism? an intellectual like ward churchill?
poofter alert
or faggot it works too
My kids are jumping out of their skins, waiting for their parrot and kittykat webkinz to arrive from Amazon.
bh ghey cream
One has to wonder why JD has these things bookmarked.
NO, YOU’RE THE GAY INTELLECTUAL, NEWROUTER!
(Sorry, I find it sorta funny.)
Abe – google is fun. If someone pulled my search terms they would paint a picture of a very disturbed mind, though not as disturbed as bh.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, JD.
“Goats are like that. Never can tell what they’re thinking.”
I am trying to figure out if Board Heads or Bikini Island is the worst movie I have watched in ages …
Oh yeah. Inception is pretty good. It’s far less confusing than people are hinting. The nested dreams are not just obvious they’re constantly explained visually.
I’ll go farther than that. If you find it confusing, please don’t vote.
When it comes to starring in bad movies, nobody…and I mean NOBODY…beats Joe Don Baker.
Bikini Island is bad, but there are a crap load of bikinis and shower scenes. Board Heads might be worse, but there is a young Gabrielle Anwar to make up for it.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm… Only one name comes to mind, someone who has a proven record on this precise thing. Ready to try a new field, JD?
“Think you can take me? Go ahead on. It’s your move.” – Joe Don Baker as Thomas Jefferson Geronimo III, Final Justice (1985)
geoffb – I would do it in a heartbeat, but they would have to show the Sunday morning shows on cable.
Have Joe Don Baker do it. He probably needs the work.
Mike isn’t making that movie up. I just checked.
Actually, if I did it, it would have to be on HBO, Showtime, or Skinemax.
bjorks farts aren’t “silent but deadly”
they’re loud and cripple you
What does the folding streets mean
Goodnight, you cousinfucking racists.
they don’t so much linger
they more or less permeate the air
attach themselves to ur nostril hairs…
breathe deeply!
J D Baker was Buford Pusser.
For that he gets a lifetime exemption from criticism.
http://xkcd.com/775/
The mouseover is rather Jeffish, I thought.
Regards,
Ric
http://panokroko.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/power-of-the-powerless-vaclav-havel/
Walking Tall is a classic, it’s true. I still can’t believe that lame remake with Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson was ever made.
ed gilloser is what we need no bh. him and karlrove and $4.00 will buy you ward churchill
Good times.
I mean it. Good times.
hey bill ayers suck dick
Jeff, did you know the main guy from Zabriskie Point was in a crazy ass cult? Not a smart and sensible cult. A crazy ass one.
Just read that in an old Rolling Stone article.
Here it is.
it’s not the scythe bjorks carry-ing in her little tiny frosty hands that
bothers me/or her impish grin…
it’s the stareing into the void part i can’t get my arms around…
why does bjork carry a scythe..
to scare the fluck outta u..
sure/ she could cut fields and shit/ be all harvesty
but wheats fight over the privilege
and it is a privilege
to get into a cereal box that might be shipped to
bjorks playboy mansion ..
know why?..
cuz bjork takes tiny bites and lil wheats like that..
will the circle be unbroken?
she likes to read the back of cereal boxes/ especially those
two words
battlecreek michigan…
Want some vintage video bh? I’d completely forgotten about that group. Love the quote.
ever see bjork type in
a straightjacket with one of them
bands on her head that pointy thing and
she bends over and her head is all typy
like/fast/ and first ur thinking..
that must give her an enormous headache
and ur second thought is/why didn’t i pleasure myself why i was
watching that?
and ur third/most important thought was after she got done
bobbing and a weaving and she handed u the manuscript and
u read it.. u were all.. shakespeare aint got nuttin on this imp..
to summarize or do a bjook review / here is the basic plot
why?…/ because!
“battlecreek michigan…”
Good evening PD.
Holy shit.
Is it wrong that seeing such a young Dick Cavett freaked me out far more, Geoff?
bjork put holes in dolphins heads
so crippled children could swim with them..
bjork put a hole in ur ass
so shit wouldn’t come out of your mouth..
say what?
we fired our guns
but the cripples kept a comin
wasn’t as many as
there were an hour ago..
and then ol’ jethro said/ dad/stop shooting cripples
we gotta move/fast outta here.. so we loaded up the truck and we moved to..
we’re having an argument right now..
i prefer gillagans island but granny insists
on battlecreek michigan..
No, I thought when I linked it there would be more about the cult but there is only that part at the end I believe. What flipped me is how much Rex Reed looks like an Elvis impersonator.
If we are going to use the wayback machine, I just came across this piece. In North Vietnam, August 13, 1970, by Noam Chomsky
It is both beautiful and frightening when pdbuttons is on a roll.
i did a book report for boy scouts
or some orgy a nation
titled/ why i like to shoot at cripples
ahem..
ok/ number one’u can learn cuz cripples aren’t fast so u can take lot’s of shots
at them and u eventually get better
ahem
number two
cripples suck and are a drain on our economy
ahem
number three
my dad said the reason for my tiny/tiny dick was my gramps was acripple
number four
ahem
bobby orr wasn’t a cripple and could skate wicked fast
ahem
number six/cripples carry diseases/ slowly i know/ but they still carry ’em
ahem
number seven.. power!/ cuz it’s fun to watch cripples struggle and know
u could maybe make a difference in their life but u don’t really give a shake
number nine/yoko ono
and finally/ the one u’ve all been a waiting for u freaks
ahem
number ten…u can point cripples in certain directions with the knowledge that they will
eventually get hurt/ run over/ fall down stairs/ wipe ur hands of em!
send them out into the big bold world..
it’s cuz ya luv em..
don’t u?
“If there were no bad people there would be no good lawyers.”(1)
(1) Big Brother UK, “Friday Eviction”, bittorrent .avi, just now, possibly referring to some old written nonsense.
Footnotes are getting harder.
Wow, talk about must see TV…
H/T: Ace
ever give one of ur chillens a cripple christmas pesent
all broken a nd fucked up cuz u’ve
been drinking and u polly found it in the gutter or a dumpster..?
but ur thinking of the child!
who may or may not be urs..
waiting for the dna tests..
and u wrap it up in a kentucky fried chicken bucket and u think ur
being all special and showing how much u love him/her
that this will finallly show him/her/it how much i love
him/her.. one question/ and one question only…
when the kid grows up and buys a gun is he/her/ gonna shoot u in the face?
or the back?
maybe cap u in the knees and watch u suffer a bit..
that’s what my kid would do!
i’m so proud of that “lil shooter”
if i could get up off my knees i’d hug ’em!
whatever
There was a time when I wasn’t too opposed to civil unions. But if I have to live up to the “Christer” tag, that kind of knocks civil unions right out.
What a shame.
* plastic surgeons call this remedial face saving
* 4 when your face needs saving
* you did the best you could
* its all good so fuck off nicely
gave my kids a broken xmas present
told them santa fell on it coming down the chimney!
it was okay til one of the parts poked his eye out
with a wire or something..it was sticking out!/ i didn’t see it!
we call the kid “wink” now..
he’s plucky but cries alot for his missing eyeball..
I thought christer just referred to the hatey white trash pseudo-christians
i won’t cry for him
only kid in school
with a wire for an eyeball
he’s special
make a fortune
watch with his good eye
while he counts his money
guud daddy
– Only people who believe in Christ and hate homo’s get to be called Christers. Discriminatory, I know, but an inside thing.
– You have to believe in choice. It’s only fair.
I guess. It gets confusing if you think about it too much really.
Are you talking about abortion? The Super Bowl isn’t for freaking forever.
give my children a shiny new penny
every xmas..
i used to spit on it but his bitch mother uses the dna in court..
i told the lil tugger
save up ur pennies/maybe after 5/6 years
we can go shoppping at the penny candy store….
u know what his rejoinder was….
i’m getting all emotional here..
the lil bugger said
ok/ pop! but do u need these 4 pennies more?
i took ’em!
spent on a crack whore…
– Not all that confusing really. Majority rule. Only system that lasts and works in the long run.
– If the dumb ass majority makes a really fucked up mistake, like Bumbblefuck for instance, the good news is, even the dumb fucks finally get it when they realize how badly they’re being screwed over, and then they get a pair and fix it. No other system is self adjusting in quite that way.
– The Constitution is a living document alright, but not in the way the Lefturds wants to think. It’s living because it can survive the most rotten awful mistakes, and go on.
bjork has a special place in her heart
for kids with wires in their eyeballs..
ain’t gonna save ur monkey ass tho/ no matter how many pricks u
got coming in or out of ur eye…ear,,,orifices…
live and let live is a more better system than majority rule I think
– That’s a nice thought feets. Except the two idea’s are not mutually exclusive until you start to allow the gov to wipe your ass for you, and because of that dependence you get the gov meddling in things it has no business in.
ever ask.. or see.. a crippled kid bow down and face that like mecca direction?
neither have i..
u cruel bastard christian walnuts!
yes I really wish Team R would get on board with Mr. Harsanyi for the most part but Team R isn’t solutions-oriented like that
– Wasn’t feets, wasn’t.
– One thing you can always count on with politicians.
– They always keep their options open. But that also means they will go whichever way the wind is blowing.
– The coming wind will be a hurricane. Fire and brimstone. Raining cats and dogs. Men dancing with their wives. A political Armageddon of Biblical proportions.
do u oil ur crippled kid as often
as often as the tin man got oiled /lubed up in the wiz?
why not? are u a heartless creep?
one other question/ do u let ur crippled kid pee
and then follow the pee stream and sing/ follow the yellow brick road?
do u do drugs?
do u have any extra laying abouts?..
Mr. buttons the christers really come into it cause of it’s I think … how to say… illuminating to imagine the government telling the christers no marriages for you. My feeling is they wouldn’t respond to this idea very well at all.
These ones think it quite the natural order of things for them to have a passel of kids to the glory of the Lord… and then they marry the one off and then marry the other off and then marry off the other one and then marry off the twins and then we get to young Vincent and no marriage for Vincent and it all ends in tears.
That’s just fucking retarded.
The coming wind will be a hurricane. Fire and brimstone. Raining cats and dogs. Men dancing with their wives. A political Armageddon of Biblical proportions.
I very much hope so. And maybe getting the christers all riled up about the fag marriage will help. Hey give me a hand here I think the horsie has something in its mouf.
this is sharni talking in her for reals voice
– Society moors change over time feets, generally based on idea’s of practical need for group survival. If it’s too slow for you, that’s the price you pay for living in a stable society.
– There’s a lot of things we’d all personally like to see different. 8 million stories in the naked city. Those of us that have seen the alternative have no wish to destroy the only working system to get our wish. That’s even worse than retarded, that’s the ultimate in narcissistic selfishness.
– The worst thing I see about the whole Progressive movement is they don’t give a shit what kind of world they leave their kids. Why. Because they don’t think anything matters or comes after. That’s what you get with Theism. Total emptiness and dispare for the future. Go for everything now, because tomorrow you die and that’s the end of it.
– Believing in something, anything, can be really scary for people. Not believing in anything is 1 million times worse.
crippled kids are great when u get
all drunk drivy and shit
cuz they’re already cripplled before u’ve hit the pole
and maybe/ just maybe..
they will walk again?
or tap dance on your face!
42% already Mr. Hunter… that’s pretty amazing… gay marriagings are very close to being more popular than bumblefuck
entropy is my co-pilot
– Well see. There yah go, and it doesn’t take destroying our way of life to get there.
no and let me reiterate again for the nth number of times that I don’t think anyone needs to interrupt our supreme court people at brunch or anything just for this
it’s TIME to WIN!
crippled kids are good at parties
cuz they’re usually low and in a wheelchair..
or have crutchy crutch cructhes.. which makes them tired..
for all the arm strength they have exert..
ever try to give a cripple kid a hi five?
they usually respond with a high three/ except the strong struggling ones who believe
that one day they’re gonna walk…ha ha!..
they usually try to give u a high four… it’s so so cute!
keep plugging..lil buddy!
give ’em that kid book about the train..
i think i can! i think i can!/ i think i can!..
try not to spit/erupt in their faces with laughter cuz
numero uno.. u might have to wipe it off
number two.. u don’t hate crippled kids…./ do u?
[…] “Time for a Divorce” […]
cripple kids are priceless!
ever try to sell one on the internet?
the going rate for crippled kids would not
even pay for the paper towel u spit in to shine their spokes,,
save ur bodily fluids..
for a crippled russian mail order bride…
russian brides can be beautiful and fickle
they have an agenda
you don’t want to know
doesn’t include you in the long term anyway
save your ego
save your money
select a comely russian girl
not to meet on sunday
you’ll both be better for it
omfg :54 seconds in Jake Shannon appears and it’s glorious
mail order russian brides can fix tanks..
that’s good enough for me!
everyday these two russin mail order brides would exit the factory
with wheelbarrows with a blanket over them….
and every day the security guard would pick up the
blankets and peek underneath and say to his groggy self..
and see nuttin….
i know they are stealing from the company and i vill catch them..
and this happened day in/day out and the security guard couldn’t
figure it out
then one day the factory ran out of wheelbarrows
you are the giftedest one don;t ever change
this is tragic about the dead kid even if they are democrats I think and from many googlings all I can find is here for to send monies to help…
Christopher Bryski Fund, c/o Diane Bryski, 164 Country Farms Rd., Marlton, N.J. 08053
it’s the right address, but I can’t find anywhere what says that yes that is the fund for helping but I imagine it sure won’t hurt nothing
[…] Jeff Goldstein demurs: Well, there’s that and the thousands of years of precedent about what marriage is and what it isn’t — but to certain libertarians, that’s to be casually tossed aside as “none of their business.” […]
‘feets, a tragic death for the 21-y/o ‘kid’ who was climbing a tree, for whatever reason, sure, but there was a student loan that was co-signed by his parents, that needs repaying. He, and they, opted for private financing; with a federal student loan WE would all pay the balance due.
Sure, help his family out if you like. But don’t bemoan the fact that the money should be repaid, because he did borrow it with those conditions included, and his parents did cosign the note.
A take away Learning Moment: don’t climb trees whilst in debt unless your name is Keith Richards.
Homophobes, facists and racists!
There can be no other explanation.
Are you speaking of Mark Freschette from Zabriskie Point?
He died not long after. Weightlifting accident.
you can always spot
women from Odessa
they have flat feet
from standing close
to the tractors
dosvidonia droog
Yeah, Freschette.
A weightlifting accident in prison. Maybe murdered? And he was in prison because he robbed a bank with some other cult members.
Why in the world hasn’t there been a movie about him?
Question: Would the guys here marry a fairy?
By the “guys here” you intend who?
If us, I look to her hands and think, would she be comfortable carrying water buckets? Uh-unh.
I don’t know, bh. Has she got any money?
Yes
– Be careful.
– Faeries have a very strong union.
If you read the Wiki article on Lyman and the family, you can sense the editorial tension between the warring “sides” in recalling it’s history. The Lyman adepts seem to be winning, but not by much.
For the record, I once considered becoming a cult leader. But I decided to get an iPod instead.
I think the chick in ZP, Daria Halprin, was a member of the “community,” as well. She did another film no one’s ever heard of, married Dennis Hopper for a bit, and now has her own “temple” with her mother — a kind of new agey retreat for “expressive arts therapy” called the Tamalpa Institute.
– At least she’s one Lefty that’s honest about projecting.
– Do these people ever really make any money with these rackets?
Nothing wrong with a bit of Cult, Jeff.
Madison Cult. Start one.
I didn’t know any of that about Daria Halprin.
Man, someone has to make a movie about these people.
“There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.”
– There’s a third option involving Smith and Wesson.
How about a cult centering on the armadillo? For our celebrations, we could drink tequila.
I admit it needs some fleshing out.
Out, damn sockpuppet!
@bh. All I know is RSM has been trying to get a tweet out of her for evah.
– The last I heard the armadillo had managed to park Jeff’s Jeep on top of a water tower in Golden…
– Not sure how that all worked out.
oh. Mr. serr8d I’m not bemoaning the necessity of repaying I just think the poor kid is probably not a lot at peace with his retirement-age mom and dad doing an updated remake of The Necklace
Mark Frechette that is very sad I’m watching an interview he did with Dick Cavett
oh. climbing trees is probably a lot more better bet than robbing banks.
In the world long drive championship, these guys are carrying the ball more than 350 yards. Carrying it 350+.
Registered Expressive Arts Therapist
A fundamental sense of honesty and awareness of the world outside your own navel can be a real fucking career killer these days.
“Carrying it 350+”
– Unfortunately they putt the same way they drive. 350+.
The guy that won the 2009 event hit was 5 foot 9 and 165 pounds. Clubhead speed 210+ mph
#324 “I am committed to helping you meet your goals and experience significant and positive life change.”– Catherin E. Lewis – PHD, psychology
– Who would have thought naval lint removal could be so intense.
OT: Jeff, since we’re fast closing in on pro-football season, I wonder if you’d comment on what you Denv-airians are hearing and seeing of Tebow’s progress as a quarterback adjusting to the professional game?
Mr. Cap’n Ed wise and all-seeing also endorses Mr. H’s approach so it’s time for Team R to lead follow or get outta the way
We will still have the current problem as a polity that the endstate Harsanyi and others might like to attain is precluded by the interventions of the court, which isn’t a political branch. In fine, the court says: you can’t determine the law politically because the law you determine isn’t “rational”. We, the courts, will say what is rational for you instead, and thus, what the law will be.
That’s — how to say? — fucked up beyond repair.
– Once the will of the people no longer matters, what ever the devices, the Kingdom is lost.
Tebow and Palin in the same thread, someone may be hoping for some overtime on this one.
It’s been covered happyfeet. The state is involved in marriage because marriages end and there has to be someone who says no, just because you did get a truck faster than he did doesn’t mean you get to take all the shit.
there can be private arbitrations established in the original contract if need be but a good pre-nup saves a whole heck of a lot of yimmer yammer
True, I was just thinking the other day that society would be better served if we had a bunch of lawyers who weren’t answerable to anyone helping us in ways like writing marriage contracts and arbitrating shit.
it’s no different than letting a judge decide except for your business is a whole lot less a part of a public record
Nike’s limited edition of 500 Tim Tebow cross-training special editions shoes sold out in five minutes.
Buyers were giddy enough that one could say they were walking on water. One could say.
Looking at my handful of Titans tickets, I see Oct. 3 we’re hosting Denver. Good times.
well yeah those shoes are skanky christer ho magnets
Let’s see your shoes, ‘feets.
I’m wearing my Clark’s! I can’t believe I never knew about these I’m going back for more.
I’ll show you my favorite
crap I can’t find them I got them at a real good price so maybe they were closeouts but these ones I want
Totten posted this vid at Contentions today. America seems to have slipped in under the door when the powers that be weren’t looking. And it won’t leave.
Finally changed up shoe brands. I’m trying these now. Rockport served me well for years, but…CHANGE!
clark’s I like cause they have their own store and a lot of the other shoe places like macy’s and bloomingdales make it a really gruesome painful need drugs experience to get in and get out wif your new shoes so I go there and to a shoe warehouse in the hood and that’s it but when I go back to the warehouse I’ll see if the have streetcars I’m supposed to go this weekend wif my friend P
if *they* have streetcars I mean
that wasn’t too bad at all Mr. sdferr
I posted that vid at home on Wednesday, sdferr. Pink Floyd is one of my long-term favorites; I have to give Blurred Vision credit for performing the best cover of that song I’ve ever heard. And phlegmatic Roger Waters gave BV permissions (and all rights!) to perform that song. Still doesn’t get him off my shit list, though…
I never did like the song much myself, back in the day. I see now it has its uses though.
Heh. I somehow secured tickets to the pre-release screening of The Wall, the movie, back in the day. In 1982, that is. For the visual effects alone it was well worth it.
Shoes? These are comfy. Yes, the Air stands for Nike Air. For when you need to jump over a conference table or sprint down the hallway.
jeez do you know how many cupcakes those shoes are? Like five dozen if you don’t count the tax cause that should be about the same
I have a shoe. Now if I could only find the other one.
Man, all kinds of dress shoes can cost 120 cupcakes pretty easily. And these ones don’t kill your feet.
bh will ask you to sacrifice
don’t have to run through the jungle and scuff-up your feet
that goes in the plus column
What’s sort of funny is that when you priced them in cupcakes I thought the shoes were still reasonable but the cupcakes were wildly overpriced. $4 for a cupcake? Outrageous.
chocolate coconut creamcheese
hey the other day it was a cupcake nightmare feel my pain brother you know I went over there all the way to Burbank for the creamsicle and the strawberry shortcake and so I get there and this other guy gets there at the same time and I hold open the door because I’m just like that well what does the motherfucker do? He orders 72 goddamn cupcakes – including all the creamsicles and including all the strawberry shortcakes and I could only choose from the picked over cupcake dregs cause he was throwing himself a birthday today
Happy goddamn birthday motherfucker.
is it phila cream cheese?
birthday *party* I mean I guess
I like the ones that look like leather Chuck Taylors. Will I have to think if I like them a hundred dollars worth.
it’s philly creamcheese but they work it
same could be said of baracky
that’s right isn’t it
Bh – my new favorites are a company called Adler of New England.
Kinda like those myself, B Moe.
Alden of New England. Eating 28 oz of dead cow has me working at less than optimal performance.
Maybe you meant to type Alden, JD?
I like these aldens a lot a lot and I like this “dark brown chukka boot” but I would need a good reason
I can’t find adler shoes
oh there you go
imelda marcos thread
Mercanti Fiorentini’s are generally very nice as well.
Imelda? oh look out, next thing you know we’ll be talking about Paul Wolfowitz the devil.
Guy I know bought a pair of these and made the mistake of letting me see them. Now I tease him constantly.
those are really snazzy
I have heard Obama makes that same excuse some mornings.
He’s a gay Columbian who loves only two things: contract killing and salsa dancing. His name is… Snake Eyes.
(I pretend I’m rolling dice when I say Snake Eyes.)
I know the Adlers of New England. Good, solid folk. If you need a road built, or a development excavated, or a few cord of firewood, I recommend them. But I would not be buying pricey mail order beef from them.
I do not know these Aldens.
Bh – I can hear you saying that. Quite humourous.
Well. If Hot Air and Cap’n say so, you best agree. Problem solved.
Day late, must type sloooooooooooooooooowwwwww.
Cap’n not you. If that was unclear.
the only thing wrapped around
bjorks feet/hoofs/claws
or whatever she got down there
is kisses from ur pathetic lips
as you beg for forgiveness
it’s the gravitas you know
bjork invented clown shoes for
two reasons..
to stamp out hunger
and they look funny/prportionally wise
I’ve decided there’s no use worrying about gay marriage. The people will keep saying no, our betters will keep trying to override the people with their superior morality, and the fight will continue until America becomes a Muslim country instead of the evil Christer one we have now.
Then there won’t be any more homosexuals, just like Iran! Problem solved.
u can tap dance around this subject
all that you want..
but how do u solve a problem like maria?
i emailed bjork and she emailed me back
cuz bjork doesn’t like to hear earth peoples voice
so we don’t call
her reply was
kill the puerto rican bitch…
hey.. problem solved!..
thank u bjork!
please kill me last!
no shirt/no shoes/no service?
bjork flaunts them rules..
if ur the owner of
said establishment and she comes in buck naked..
u better bring like/ water..asap..and warm rolls
don’t look her in the eyes! do not!
if u refuse her/it service…?
than may God have mercy on your soul…
can u hum a few bars of that old chestnut
amazing grace?…
start a humming….
Only I can defeat the dreaded Bjork.
I am going to be adding bjork to my list of things that should be killed on sight. So far, that list includes midgets, clowns, and Bin Laden.
Don’t forget zombies, JD. I know, they’re already dead, but they are needing to be on a list somewheres.
I’m thinking this whole gay marriage debate thinger might be opening up a whole new can of
people who are halfway there already and just need a tacit OK from societyworms.I see the title of a new book. A million little star chambers. Private ones of course.
the spider asked the fly..
my,my,my..
what’s the most comical thang u’ve ever seen?
and the fly replied..
ed gillespie trying to give bjork a blowjob…
the spider laughed/paused/ and then proceeded to torture the fly..
Wait, doesn’t marriage (or non-marriage) affect interstate commerce? There is no escape from meddling authoritarians; we will always be fighting them – and since they refuse to acknowledge individual rights, labeling something private (to wit, private property) is no magic, let alone silver bullet!
Speaking of Tim Tebow, seems his teammates (including ex-Titan Terrible Towel Stomper Lenwhale White) have a wicked sense of humor.
#441
Oh. Those are nice. I have a pair of sketchers that are kind of dressy, but are very comfortable which is why I bought them. All my other ones usually wind up as work shoes and get ruined pretty quick. I found out that a $200 pair of work boots last just as long as a pair of leather loafers at work so I dress comfortably.
Hint; Always wear natural products around welding and forging etc. They don’t melt onto your body parts.
Humor maybe, serr8d, but no sense of congruency in image making, unless they’re purposely attemting to bend Tim’s to a better angle. Friars, at least in the contemporary view, were often enough ribaldrous characters and as such, antipodean to Tebow’s ’til now preferred manner.
Though the occasion may call for my favorite Palin-drome: Stop! Murder us not, tonsured rumpots!
“Guy I know bought a pair of these and made the mistake of letting me see them. Now I tease him constantly.”
bh,
I saw several guys wearing those shoes here in N.Y. I’m thinking they needed some teasing but I that I should save that for you;).
Hey Danger, how’s the trip treating you so far?
On Monday or Tuesday, I’m going to find out if I can swing a trip over there. Have to arrange a face to face meeting with a couple folks to justify it.
I have a pair of these chaps’ deck shoes, and jolly nice they are too. I wish I could afford a pair of these, though. Just the thing for a country gent.
An follow-up on the Tebow haircut. He “took it well”, even suggesting it might help “build [team] chemistry”. They didn’t hold him down, so it’s not all assaulty. Just standard-fare rookie hazing, with more irony than you’d expect to see in a (Broncos) locker room.
Shoes are, to me, more important than watches. They must perform flawlessly or the will get Good Will tossed.
I’ve been buying New Balance vibram-soled cross-trainers since they first arrived. I’ve watched ’em grow up (and my feet appreciate every step!). But these, Vibram FiveFingers, are now the ‘shoes’ to own for the outdoorsy sorts.
I’ve got a friend who does his fell-running in those, serr8d. Just looking at them cracks me up.
thank you for the followup about the haircut
Last year’s third string Broncos rookie QB (since released) Tom Brandstater got the same cut.
And as far as I know, his mother wasn’t a cumslutty Christer vag hag what wants to impregnate you all with Jesus, then force you to birth the little bastard.
preach it brother
I sprayed Deet all over the manger. Let’s see the little deity get all uppity with a snoutful of enviro poison.
little ones to Him belong they are weak but He is strong
It’s just that kind of sacrilege that forced God to punish Denver with all those injuries.
At least the injuries are early in camp when nothing much matters.
Least, I hope. The Dumervil injury is tough, but we have two past number 1s to try to pick up the pass rush slack.
I can’t believe that Moss guy broke his hand then.
Just shitty luck.
Just came across this report though looking through Ayers’ ESPN page.
Ayers is retiring. No champagne allowed.
Not before training his replacement.
That crossed my mind too but then I thought, nobody here gets their shoes paid for by robbing the country blind. They all work for every penny paid for those shoes. Me I’m a cheapskate presently wearing a pair of $10 canvas slipons from Walmart, because they for some odd reason fit my broken-arches-spread-out old feet. Fit is the hardest thing for me nowadays.
oh i didn’t mean to do that just joking about foot wear talk
Understood.
You overpaid, Geoff, I have a $7 pair of blue canvas shoes.
Here, the ultimate performance shoes for lawn mowing.
Or, you can buy a 20 year old paid of Chuck Taylor’s at Goodwill.
paid / pair. I suck.
i keep trollhammer running for those times when paid/pair occurs
Towards the pricier dress shoes though, you buy them because you have to. Same with the suits. The ties. The overcoat. Same with the dry cleaning bills and having to stash fresh shirts in different places just in case. All so that you can be 40% less comfortable than most everyone else.
It’s the uniform. If you don’t wear the uniform, people don’t trust you.
Moss has a fracture. Dawkins had the same injury last year in training camp. In a couple of weeks they’ll cast him up and get him back out there. Again, at least it happened now and not during the 4th preseason game.
I’m more worried about Decker’s ankle, frankly.
That’s the lace up version. All I know is the the slip-ons fit me and cost $10 at the local store. My feet don’t really match up anymore to most all of the sizes they use except for a few. Everybody seems to use different lasts so I have to look to find ones that match me.
Mowing in barefeet covered with fireants helps to dull the sandspurs
My job has a “uniform” I have to buy also, and keep a spare set in the car in case I destroy one in a machine. It’s just not pricey or good looking. The shoes/boots though have to fit well and hold up to a lot of rough use. The slip-ons are for home not work.
The internet just informed me that he had a pre-existing high ankle sprain to go along with the foot sprain. Bad news.
You’re right though, the earlier the better for all this bad luck.
Yikes. I’m far too much of a klutz to type that sentence… with all ten original fingers.
Though I did tear up my favorite Georgia Bulldogs baseball cap on one of those big ass industrial grinders (took the burs off the edges of steel plates) when I was 17. Thing shot back out at me going about 100 mph.
No body parts missing but plenty of scars. You get yours extracurricularly I expect.
I found the trick to keeping all the fingers (and all complete) is to live every day in mortal fear of machines. They’re out to get you. It’s a sucky way to go through the day but it seems to work.
Would that simply fearing the political class worked to keep them from being “out to get you”. For them you have to make ’em fear you.
don’t fear machines fear your inattention to details
same with the political class
also most machines have an “off” switch the political class doesn’t(not yet).
Done. It probably helped that Maximum Overdrive came out when I was an impressionable youth.
I also have a healthy fear of cute pets sold by old men in Chinatown.
hey that’s where gapagus and darwins came from
Uh-oh. I’m sure you already get them wet. DO NOT feed them after midnight.
It’s easier said than done, since the 1,000th time you pick up that 7.25″ 1725rpm circular saw it feels like a part of your hand. Same with the 10,000th and the 20,000th. It isn’t, and it’s still out to get you.
Decker was probably the most NFL-ready of all rookie wideouts — the only reason he fell to the 3rd round was that foot injury, and I loved the pick (a steal if he can get healthy) — so I’m okay with him missing a few weeks, honestly. So long as he didn’t re-aggravate the Lisfranc fracture, the sprained foot is a blessing insofar as it led to the team catching the pre-existing high ankle sprain before it got severe.
At least, that’s what I’m telling myself. 5 weeks until the games start counting. The Broncos are pretty deep at receiver — though none of the names are really marquee names.
from shoes to what sissies
A little music for the machine.
Better to be bad to the bone than opened to it I guess.
Well, from my hopeful perspective, this is all leading up to McDaniels going wildcat with Tebow in the season opener.
I can dream anyways.
I’m from Michigan. We haven’t had a professional football team since the 50s. No, really.
I’m fucking tired of the Chargers being on top in the AFC West, btw.
Leastwise you guys got to have Barry pass through and give y’alls a taste of high art.
All we need to Lions to do is beat the Bears and the Vikings once or twice each, Geoff. The rest of the games don’t matter.
This is very catchy.
Tru dat. I may have to live to be 120 though.
Now for Tru Blood. bye.
Another catchy one.
This one isn’t so catchy but it’s what you listen to when you are smoking your first pack of Marlboros and lying to your buddies about getting to second base.
good allen music suxs these days
I was listening to David Allen Coe today, while installing ceiling fans. It is hard to route the lights on a ceiling fan thru a dimmer.
The Colts are going to be good good good again. Shocka.
You know what’s good about the Colts and the Broncos? AFC. I can root for any of them without guilt.
I’m even starting to forget about Elway ruining a perfectly good Super Bowl for me.
I learned today that it is hard to install a large ceiling fan by yourself, while balancing on the very top of a folding ladder.
The Schembechler era Wolverines had their moments.
JD, are you just not paying attention? The blue wire goes to the dimmer. The black wire goes to the continuous (if you use the pull chain) or switched (if you turn it on and off from the wall) wire. Easy peasy.
Regards,
Ric
“Hey Danger, how’s the trip treating you so far?”
bh,
The trip has been good I’ve heard from Abe and BJT who both were flexible about meeting. I’d like to get together Tuesday or Wednesday. I might be able to stretch it til Thursday though.
My one year at MSU they weren’t too bad either. But the Lions, arrgghh.
bh,
I sent you an e-mail w/ my cell # included.
That is what the booklet said too, Ric. But there is a white wire and a black wire just floating around there and I gave up for the night. I took it all apart, and will try again tomorrow. Electricity and I do not get along, ever since I took 220v and went all epileptic on the kitchen floor.
robots all
Shit. Sorry, Danger. Missed that but see it now.
Tomorrow morning I’ll see if I can lock in a meeting with our clients and then I’ll email and/or give you call.
First rulez of wirez: with a wire in one hand, kip other hand in pocketses. Because if you have 2 wireses, or a hand on a ground (stovetop, chassis) you’ll create a nice path for zee moving electrons. Right across your heart. Never a dull moment when that happens.
this.
Okay, she is way way way sexy …
serr8d – I was trying to install a new 220v outlet. Grabbed the wrong wire when pulling the wires through the wall.
You seem to be partial to brunettes, JD.
There’s this thinger in the garage or basement called the ‘breaker box’. When in doubt, hit ’em all, and use a flashlight. You can always reset the alarm clocks.
Silly, everyone knows you’re supposed to lick wires to make sure they’re not hot.
I just use a lightbulb and hit the wires against the bottom of the bulb. If it lights up, or blows up, I have live wires. It works.
bh – It does seem to be a trend.
By the way, this wiring nonsense is all pretty much off topic.
This thread is about how great Ed Gillespie looked in stylish Oxfords before he sprained his ankle and went onto the Broncos IR.
And Bjork.
I would stick a live 220v line right in bjork’s eyeball if she ever got anywhere near me.
Two live wires in 220, JD, and a neutral. Which isn’t really a ground until it gets to your breaker box.
See, this is exactly why I get shocked every time I mess with that invisible shit.
bjork sounds like a real live wire. Call it ‘nishi’ and ‘feets would hit it?
That Kia commercial with the lifesized sock monkeys is way freaky.
There’s this cool device that ‘squeaks’ if it’s near a live wire; no batteries needed, powers itself through induction. Bonus! it’s also a wire stripper; leave the steak knives in the kitchen drawer!
For the record, I’d probably nail Bjork and nishi. It’s one of those stories you could tell people. Mescaline and gin. Get the proportion right and it’d be like one of those Beatles cartoons.
And, dude, you strip wires with your teeth. Steak knives? What are you, some sort of fancy intellectual?
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What?
There seems to something particularly pernicious about going to the polls in order to remove a civil right from a group of Americans.
do not make fun of bjork please…
just a warning…
like going over the security fence in the zoo cuz u wanna touch the
polar bear /bond with it
putting ur hands thru the bars cuz u want to
pet it?.. cuz it’s cute?..
then it rips ur arms off …?
don’t fjuck with bjork!
don’t even bjoke about her…
hmmmph. ya broke it.
This here forum need some strippings.
Whaaat?
Speaking of Prop 8’s 7M plus voters, who legally voted “Nay, scoundrels!
You’ll not ruin the institution of Marriage, when you have already your
stinking Civil Unions!” as was their right?
How was a civil right removed that wasn’t there in the first place? And
has never been there since this country was founded? The 14th Amendment
wasn’t installed until 1868; that’s what the Funny Judge Walker used to
strike Prop 8.
History, my child; it’ll do a mind good.
And stay out of the damned refrigerator.
how were the pjyramids bjuilt..?
bjork i tells ya..
what came fjirst..?
the cjhicken or the ejgg?..
Thanks, Jeff.
I couldn’t figure out where to put the commas.
it’s not bjorks impish grin that bothers me..
or her sprightly ways..
or her sing-songy…
it’s that fact that she can hover…
above me/u/ us..
and bring death from above!..
but/ hey.. water is wet.
get used to it
Jeff is Gulliver after his travels. Barns, horses — they rawk. The smell is bad, sure, but if you go all metaphorical, it’s like sleeping in roses and cinnamon compared to the stench most humans give off.
Incidentally, my wife just got an iPhone for work, so we switched plans and I got one too — thanks to some old Apple gift cards we’d had lying around.
Which means I’m now part of the 21st century. I might even Tweet, if some hot chick promises to blow me if I do.
If not? Doodle Jump.
tis kinda hard to get a fitful nights sleep
with coconut halves tied to ur elbows…
believe me. i know..
but just remember to close the closet door..
cuz u may just wake up in the morn
and i love u!
kinda/ i tjhink..
let me pjee first…
yup/ ur awesome!
give urself a pjat on ur bjack..
trooper!
bjork laughs at human concepts like centuries..
while she cleans her fingers/hoof/claw nails..
she say she say/ who shall i pjick off fjirst?
that ajsshole?.. mmm/ no..
that ajsshole?..mmm..mjaybe
u?
why did elvis die with his face around a porcelian toilet bowl?
why is bjork the shade off a toilet bowl?
sure/ take a shit in said bowl..
puke in it…
take a shit in the nearest field but…
ain’t gonna save ya…
knock knock knocking on heavens door…
Just so we’re clear, there isn’t actually an app with hot chicks promising to blow you per tweet, right?
Sounds like a cult. It’s always awesome at first.
mosquito bites are bjorks way of
collecting ur blood for some mad dr mengele experiment..
that frankly/ i don’t want to know about..
bee stings/hornets/papercuts..
are her way of reminding u ur an asshole…
I also hope Bjork kills you last, buttons.
But, maybe, I really hope I’m second last and then, maybe, I’m not so much dead as pretending.
And then Blue comes and pees in her mouth.
Amen.
if u ever get arrested and have one phone call…to make..
call bjork!/ cuz she’ll come down to the police staion and
be all terminator like..
laying waste. pumping..
and pull u out of county..
u’ll be all like.. i didn’t want 50 cops shot..
i just wanted bail money..?
and as she’s sucking/licking the smoke off the gun..
and winks
that’s when u know ur fucked
bjorks gonna kill bobby orr last/ then me
then…u?
why djid bjork cross the road?
to get to the other side/ u silly gooseeeee!
why/ oh why/ did she return to the first side?
to watch u writhe in pain
and piss on your on your corpse
cuz she’s a freakazoid!
please report
err paging Mr. orr I mean
it ain’t the truck drivers who
are up my ass as i drive
respectfully i might add/ on American roads/ all leagle
it’s when i look in the rear viw mirror and i got a 18 wheeler up my ass..
and i notice the driver looks like bjork!
thats when it’s
game over!/ done/set/match…
bjork thinks human earthling hands are
the freakiest..
thumbs up!
she/ it also loves dolphins
long walks on the beach..
retarded cripple children with one or more wires in their eyes
her hates are..
you
two legged things
mercy
crippled farm babies who can’t plow or pull their crippled weight… eaters!
russian space{ha ha!) stations
and general fuckery..
bjork can skip rope
and be all “doublely doubele dutchly”
to prove she’s all street and that..
but she’d rather take them jumpy ropes and tie u up
she’d rather hang u with piano wire/ but double dutch ropes be good..
as long as they have the dna of fatherless inner city young pussy on
their ropes
cuz their ain’t no sweeter taste/ than doubley dutchy ropes
that have young fatherless thang hand sweat on them…? cuz u can lick ropes in private
is there?//
rascist bastards!
two crippled farm babies square off
against a watermelon.. which/ may or may not be moving../ or rolling..
i call it/ mmm/ battle of the network stars?
heres the concept..
two young crippled farm babies crawl out into a field..
cuz theirs mommas drunk and passed out so they “get away”
and they meet a tiny watermelon who teaches them about racial justice
season two
young watermelon gets bigger !
but unfortunateley one crippled farm baby gets licked in the eye
or crawls in farm animal doo doo
and gets all sluggish..
but the other crippled farm baby tu/ tu/ tu/ tucks his
pa/ pa/ pa/pa/ pants in!
and comes to the rescue!..
maybe..
tune in for channel th
thr’ three
season four..
radical terrorist / they parachute?
land?/
dunno/ but they show up on the farm..
and the little cripple farm babies ..
get all patriotic and crawl like all get out..
they’re crawling here/ crawling there..
stealth cripple crawling..
and they kill the bad guys!
and i think one of the crippled farm babies fall in love..
or falls/
tune in 4 eppysoda fiver u punks!
I suspect that one model of the horse-lover Swift looked to is Antiphon, Plato’s half-brother (mother shared), who, though he turned away from pursuit of philosophy to focus on horses, yet was capable years later to recall from memory the encounter of youthful Socrates, Parmenides, and Zeno, having learned that conversation by heart from Pythodorus, who was present for the event and had often recited it to Antiphon.
Some people, hearing the discussion of the three, assume it was the complexity of the subject which put Antiphon off. I don’t. I think it was the degeneracy of Athenian politics in general, and the execution of Socrates in particular: disgust with people, in other words, and not with the subject.
It’s an interesting name, Antiphon. A near literal translation might be Counter-call. It’s odd in English, but better than “sound-from-opposite” or the like.
So much for this conjecture.
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