If ever a headline writer captured the moment…
Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.), the House Democratic Caucus chairman, told CNN’s “State of the Union With Candy Crowley” that Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had 216 yes votes in the bag.
“This is a historic day and we are happy warriors,” Larson said. “We are so proud of the Democratic caucus, that we will be a part of history, joining Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s passage of Social Security, Lyndon Johnson’s passage of Medicare, and now Barack Obama’s passage of health care reform.”
Democratic Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the House majority whip whose job is to count the health care votes, wasn’t as definitive.
“We’ll be there by the time we vote,” he said.
Republicans remained unanimously opposed and said there was still hope of defeating the legislation.
“She’s not there yet,” Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) told “Fox News Sunday,” referring to Pelosi.
“The American people don’t want this to pass,” said Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), the House’s second-ranking Republican, on ABC, despite numerous polls showing the public as split as the Congress.
Larson’s Republican counterpart, Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, seemed to promise some last-minute legislative fireworks.
“House Republicans are going to use every means at our disposal,” Pence said. “Stay tuned. It’s going to be an interesting day.”
[…]
One of the last important Democratic gets was Rep. Marcy Kaptur, the pro-life Ohio Democrat and key ally of anti-abortion stalwart Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), who led Democratic opposition to the bill because he fears it will allow federal funding of abortions.
Kaptur told the Toledo ABC affiliate on Sunday that she had come around to a yes vote.
Stupak, in turn, was negotiating a possible a deal to vote yes in exchange for a Obama executive order to ensure no public funding for abortions in the health care bill.
“We’re close but we’re not there yet,” Stupak said.
Consider this today’s health care / potential end-of-the-experiment-in-self-governance open thread.
I volunteer to spit on Nancy if it’ll balance things out.
link
For the strong of stomach, the C-Span link to gavel to gavel coverage of your House of Representatives.
Currently running a talking head call-in yackity yack, as per newrouter’s timetable above.
Warriors? There were once warriors and you, Larson, are no fucking warrior.
MSNBC reports Stupak is a yes.
They may not be there yet, but they are pretty damn close. There are rumors the executive order may push Stupak into the stupid column.
so after they vote to make us Venezuela when exactly do the taxings start?
Stupak is a lifey whore, if I may be so bold.
Joe – Stupak was always in the stupid column, he just wanted to be lied to.
newrouter,
I’m beginning to suspect that the Democrats are actually believing their own bullshit that they lost in ’94 because they failed to pass HillaryCare, not that the American voters were horrified by that turd in the first place. They are delusional. It really is a political Jonestown.
I wonder whether Stupak pretends to have been persuaded by Barry’s rumored Executive Edict? If so, I’ll bet Barry had a little thrill run up his leg as he signed it.
JD–agreed. I was just being generous to him.
Bend over and say thank you sir may I have another
http://firedoglake.com/2010/03/21/stupak-agrees-to-executive-order-language-7-more-to-vote-yes/
game over
game over for our little country
the anal raping of our little country begins tonight
Thor is running around wanking off and spitting out links to leftists drivel. Fucking lying coward. At least crooks and liars engages in truth in advertising.
Great victory Democrats! $569 Billion Dollars! Largest Tax increase in History! Woot! By more than double the previous record! Woot Woot Woo!
Not only a huge tax increase, sdferr, when you consider that they will allow the Bush cuts to expire. Double whammy. Fuck them.
when do the taxings start? Me I has to budget even if our little country doesn’t.
At first we said that Barry’s healthcare was like Waterloo, but that wasn’t strong enough tt describe the lemming-like rush by the Dems toward the cliff, so I said that healthcare was the Dems Stalingrad, and they were the Germans, Dem congressman being sent to the front to take a bullet for der Fuhrer, but that didn’t quite capture the zeitgeist either, so now I think we have arrived at the Democrats Jonestown, where they are going to drink legislative cyanide for no other reason than they are being told to by a two-bit messiah and his cronies.
What was that thing Barry promised JD? “Not one dime” wasn’t it? Pshaw, that was so long ago, what am I thinking?
Eastern Europe’s tax structure is better than our own. Hell, I think Sweden may be almost better now. We are so fucked.
Ric @ #15 is thor
desperate little shit, isn’t he?
thor is the mostest honest dirty socialist I think
thor-stain, this is no game
As much as I disagree with John McCain on issues (and agree with Jeff that Johnny Mac’s progessive tendancies are super dangerous), he would not have done this.
He also promised he would not sign anything that was not deficit neutral, sdferr. I guess the Madoff accounting they engaged in gave him cover for that one.
a window into their soul on a day like today… but feckless Team R deserves great scorn today I think. Where’s mr. mcgruder?
We have been called the “N-word”, we have been spat on, says Rep Sheila Jackson Lee D-Tex18. Shame on you America. Shame.
thor’s a little fuck, but he and that libtard Hamsher are just messengers of the betrayal of the country.
No it isn’t.
What from the New Deal and the Great Society has been repealed?
Losing some upcoming elections is a small price to pay for Brazil — with the Democrats in charge of the bureaucracies in perpetuity, once all the unionizing kicks in.
If we as a people don’t insist that this be rolled back — by whatever means — this country, as a political experiment, is finished.
Period, end of sentence.
At first we said that Barry’s healthcare was like Waterloo, but that wasn’t strong enough to describe the lemming-like rush by the Dems toward their destruction.
So I said that healthcare was the Dems Stalingrad, and they were playing the part of the loyal Germans, Dem congressman being sent to the front to take a bullet for der Fuhrer.
But after giving it some thought that didn’t quite capture the zeitgeist either.
Now I think we have the perfect metaphor. We are witnessing the Democrats Jonestown. They are going to drink Barry’s legislative cyanide for no other reason than they are being told to by that two-bit messiah and his cronies.
An entire political party is ending itself before our very eyes.
They may have been promised some sweet lobbyist job when they lose their office, but what will they do when there are no democrats to lobby?
Louie Gohmert seems to think Stupak has bought the Presidential Edict. He warns the Edict is worth less than the paper it is written on.
Why doesn’t any of the comments include ‘This body does not have teh authority to pass this legislation, or if passed to provide for it’s implementation aor enforcement.”
I did the fsa this year for the first time… just to shelter a little more monies from our rapacious little president man. I still have to figure out how to use it though.
But it looks like the Bush taxes expire first before most of the taxes hits but a lot of the mandates and spendings start before the taxes.
is not a Jonestown… our government declares war on our little country tonight… and me I know what side I’m on.
The zombies have broken through.
My mission, once this passes, is to insist that the President and every member of Congress be covered under this plan.
Also, it’s time to rebel. I’m to the point where I may not listen to another government edict ever.
If we as a people don’t insist that this be rolled back — by whatever means
Even if Republicans retake Congress in the fall, they might not be able to repeal in total, because they will not have a veto-proof voting majority.
However, they can use reconciliation (heh) and refuse to fund any or all parts of the bill. NOT allow $10 billion to the IRS to enforce the mandate, etc.
Also, there are dozens of state AG’s preparing suits right now over the mandate. Added to that hospitals and doctors ready to quit or refuse medicare/medicaid patients. Also, when businesses large and small start dumping their employees into the government exchanges (paying a fee will be much cheaper than ensuring everyone including part-time workers), this thing will blowup.
Will the American public sit back and accept 12-20% permanent unemployment? Look at Europe.
There’s going to be a lot of pink slips in Congress this November.
The American people voted these clowns into power.
Anyone that votes for a Democrat at any level, local-state-national, is a thief or a liar. Democrats have proven they no longer hold American principles.
wtf is this?
Is that a way to help unemployment by cajoling people out of the work force?
They proved that decades ago Darleen. The public seems a mite slow on the uptake.
It’s not just Democrats I don’t think… Lindsey wants health care done so we can focus on the pesky carbon dioxide molecules and Meghan’s daddy is terribly worried about the nutritional supplements we are taking.
America is become a faggy little country I think.
Prove me wrong.
Then there’s all that jihadi housing trouble Lindsey’s got to see to as well, hf. Wouldn’t want our allies (ha! allies) thinking ill of us for denying jihadis welcome to our shores.
absolut disillusionment
anyone want a martini?
Rebel.
Mark Steyn agrees.
Why would the Republicans want to repeal it?
The power this grants the Congress is massive–why not use that power “for good?” (Good being, of course, highly subjective.)
I’ve managed to persuade at least one supporter that this was a bad idea by asing what the Republicans would do with this at whatever point that they regain a majority. Guy turned 4 shades of white thinking about it.
you just wait. Mitt Romney will sort it.
Europeans believe that is the natural state of things (as long as the unemployment benefits keep flowing), and considering the woeful state of public education, I suspect most Democrat voters will eventually come to believe it, too.
Now you’re just being mean hf.
Obamacare results.
Cap’n Ed says Stupy is a no again?
Rather than “Jonestown”, I think the Democrat leadership considers the current batch of elected Dems cannon fodder, and the fodder apparently doesn’t mind, believing the Party will repay them will some cushy mid-level bureaucrat position after they’re voted out in November.
the d ones that remain will be the ones most dedicated to the destruction of our little country
I think the Tea Party and the Republican Party will unite on a single plank platform for 2010 and 2012: Repeal Obamacare!
revisiting health care would threaten Princess Lindsey’s agenda though Mr. K
Notice that the Pelosis and Waxmans, et al in unassailable districts are the Dem leadership. They’re the ones sending out the “human minesweepers”.
Was Jonestown a post-modern nirvana discovering its Hobbesian backstory in the real? Straight up death does have a way of getting the attention of the dreamers, though it can’t do much for the dead dreamers. On the other hand, anything short of straight up death is more or less a simple matter to ignore.
Who wants waffles?
The difference is the New Deal programs are just now starting to tank. We had a proud work ethic, a massive industrial machine, and very few people on the dole for most of the New Deal era, so they could get by with it for awhile. Now we have none of that, the pain is going to be immediate and severe.
Three pillars of the Democrat base, young people, old people and unions, are eventually going to get hit fucking hard by this, and they aren’t going to be happy about it. Young people by the mandates, old people by Medicare cuts, and unions when they ultimately lose their Cadillac coverage.
I see no way for this to end well for anybody.
I can’t believe a good man got this done. Perhaps I should have hoped he failed.
I don’t expect Obama to ever admit fault. It would be nice if a few (supposedly) on our side admit they were wrong.
I doubt that will happen. Intent and all of that.
If anyone asks me what I think will happen if ObamaCare passes and withstands the efforts to repeal/undo it, I will have to take the Fifth Amendment.
Because if y’all are right about what the end result will be, even just imagining it will be a crime.
Where are all the “conservatives” who denounced Limbaugh now? Will apologies be forthcoming?
I think BMoe has it just right. The Democrats have crafted their own perfect storm. they flapped the budgetary butterfly wings and the result years down the road will be economic ruin and a very pissed off constituency.
I suspect the Dems will spend many months trying to find a way to blame it on Republicans. good luck with that.
it’s okay. I forgive myself. I’m outraged now, and that’s what really matters.
Reader poll:
are you outraged?
____ yes
____ no
____ racist!
The social contract has been breached. Back to nasty, brutish and short for everyone.
I think this may come as a surprise to the retarded progressives if not for the evil progressives.
A great hue and cry went up to repeal Social Insecurity 16 years pre-Eisenhower, he being the next R available. SS is now about one hundred trillion dollars upside down. If this damn thing passes it stands. Because,
people clung to a kindly sense of what their little country was about even as she was usurped is all… we were in a great depressiony banking crisis at the time and the tinkling wind chimes of our glorious history filled the air, precipitating goodwill from a frightened people, for some anyways…
it was kind of like the very very gay populist emotion what burbled forth when Princess Diana went splat.
That would be me, in general. If you’re referring to something specific, it would help if you’d refer to it.
No. I still think Limbaugh’s a blustery twat, and I haven’t seen or heard anything recently to change my opinion about him.
I’d say I had no time for the “sensible” “pragmatists” but it’s not a new feeling.
They confused decorum with thought. Fuck ’em.
Is that a “yes,” a “no,” or a “racist!”, Slart?
Limbaugh is of another era.
A long, long time ago…
I can still remember
How that that Cowboy used to make us smile.
But the GOP ignored ol’ Ron’s stance
And McCain never had a chance
And a “good man” took over for a while.
But the march voting made me shiver
With every new post thor delivered.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.
I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about Stupak’s slide,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the country died…
On the plus side, somebody can probably take my outlaw thing and make a mint off it now. My money is on Ace.
Did I ever tell that story of my biology mentor’s reaction to learning that her childhood schoolmate little Jimmy Jones had committed suicide and taken more than 900 other people with him? She cried and cried as the memories welled up uncontrollably is what.
Or maybe Breitbart.
I’m declaring war on progressives and progressivism. Best not to test me in person, is the first order of business.
Mr. Breitbart has severe qualities. It’s like there’s him and everyone else is Hester Prynne.
it might just be the hair
Slart,
Are you being deliberately obtuse? His infamous “I hope he fails” remark. Obama’s “success” will dangerously undermine the very concept of personal liberty, and is in Jeff’s words, “end-of-the-experiment-in-self-governance”. Unless, of course, you look forward to being a ward of the state?
When they said he was “good” they forgot to specify “for what”. All tools are “good” for some purpose. He is a good screwdriver.
Paul Ryan is holding forth on the floor.
Paul Ryan is the future.
hf,
If today’s vote goes the way it appears it may, that is true.
From Steyn, which pretty much echoes much of what I’ve been writing here on this shitsandwich:
It may be that we’ve reached a point of viability for a third party option.
Eras are of another era, I think. We won’t have eras in the newandbetteramericanotnomore.
To Barack Obama’s America my allegiance I do not pledge.
After all this drama, melodrama, if Stupak votes yes I expect it is because he wants his name forever tied to this bill. And thinks that is a good thing.
that’s true… once improved by dirty socialist leavenings, the recipe will never change.
I keep buying I bonds just cause it amuses me.
It’s a newAndthequestionis,arewegoingtobetruetothemamerica
Paul Ryan is already obsolete on the economics. We just print that shit these days. Because to the man on the street, They’ll Pay For It™.
We’ve been living on the future for about as long as we’ve had the federal reserve note.
If today’s vote goes through many of us will be of another era.
Bets on the stock market tomorrow if it passes?
Ryan needs this thing displayed* front and center. The most important data for this debate is that found on the last line.
*assuming any one of these criminals gives a shit about it.
Slaughter should be tried and convicted.
Patches!
Bets that Soros is shorting just about everything, heavily?
I don’t think it is viable just yet, but very soon. Not just viable, but inevitable. And I think we shouldn’t consider it a third party, but more of a true second party.
Watching MSNBC is dramatically bad for your brain.
A Kennedy on morality. What is this, Congress?
My Daddy! says Patches! My Unca Preseedent Johnny! says Patches!
thor on morality. What is this, pw?
Apparently thor is a devoted fan.
You get the kneepads I mailed you, thor?
I do have to thank thor for the laughs, him condemning political name-calling is turning out to be one of today’s highlights.
Are you wearing a big red nose and huge floppy shoes at your keyboard right now?
All MSNBC does is try and convince me to avoid GE products. And it’s working.
the market was already looking overbought I think and will fall irrespective but I think what to watch is for a shift into companies American or foreign with good international growth prospects and an uptick for gold
oh. I wouldn’t have said that if I knew Mr. bh was here.
How embarrassing.
Dis will pay fo itseff!
Friends don’t give friends financial advice. They give referrals.
The next Democrat to speak honestly will be the first.
Accidentally, it appears.
I still think Limbaugh is an ass, and “I hope he fails” was ill-considered.
I hope that Obama succeeds in doing what he promised to do: preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. I don’t have much faith that’s what he’s about, nor do I trust him to take this country in a direction I agree with, but I don’t hope that he fails.
I don’t think that Limbaugh’s explication of “I hope he fails” maps all that well onto what I’ve said, above; instead, it came off more like wishing Obama would faceplant in general, not just WRT implementation of liberal policies.
hubris happens
What from the New Deal and the Great Society has been repealed?
Those things were passed with much less controversy than now. Most people thought they would be okey dokey, and any negative results from them were hard to detect (such as making poverty worse). Not to mention that people became dependent, and repeal became impossible.
But now, the bennies don’t kick in for several years but the taxation starts now. And we’re already on the verge of bankruptcy, and the economy is in the toilet, and we have the Alternate Media, and the TEA Parties are hip to the problem, and these monsters are going against the express will of the people.
Repeal is possible this time around. And like Darleen said, so is defunding Leviathan before people get hooked.
I’m going to go ahead and vote “racist!”, Jeff. Might as well embrace my inner brownpeoplehater.
Fails to do what he said he was going to do or fails to do what he’s trying to do? Those not being the same thong, and all.
a lot of bennies kick in before the taxings, di
Is Nancy just taking the role as lightning rod for the rest of the party?
And Rahm is an “incrementalist?”
“instead, it came off more like wishing Obama would faceplant in general, not just WRT implementation of liberal policies.”
Because of Limbaugh’s well-laid (lain?) predicate wanting the country to faceplant? Please.
Wolverines!
here are the dirty socialist blandishments what are front-loaded:
hf
Like mandating that each and every one of us purchase health insurance, but only such plans as approved by Queen Nan, or face the wrath of the IRS?
that’s according to the internet
I used to hope he failed, now I hope he walks in front of a fucking bus.
it came off more like wishing Obama would faceplant in general, not just WRT implementation of liberal policies.
Maybe you missed the debate first time around, but Limbaugh made it clear that he meant he wants him to fail at turning the country leftward. “It came off” ignores what he meant (clearly) in favor of what people wanted to hear.
a fucking bus is America
Because of Limbaugh’s well-laid (lain?)
laid
What is this? “No more rescissions. Existing plans would no longer be able to terminate beneficiaries when they get sick.”
Because divining what Limbaugh’s inner racist is about so outweighs hundreds of statist Democrats lying through their teeth in order to install this unconstitutional tyranny.
It’s like we don’t really think much anymore.
I wish I had dicentra’s brain
lot of bennies kick in before the taxings, di
Rats. I guess I might as well move in with MaMa sooner rather than later and give up on ever having a life again.
That option being legislated away.
Comment by dicentra on 3/21 @ 12:46 pm #
It was a matter of some discussion here, and the cause of Jeff being “disowned” by the more “moderate” wing of the conservative blogosphere. Strange that Slart missed all that.
I wish I had dicentra’s brain
No you don’t. Keeping its chemistry well-regulated is an expensive, full-time job.
I was going to wait. But I think I’ll start drinking now.
they only have to lay (lay?) the dirty socialist bad touch lightly on as many peoples as possible, people being what they are, entitlement being what it is
I can’t watch. I’m going back to bed.
I have a question. Is it OUTLAW! or Outlaw! when this thing passes? Certainly won’t feel ironic anymore.
It may be that we’ve reached a point of viability for a third party option
Perfect. That’s just what Obama and the Dems are hoping for and even setting up faux third party parties to split the non-left vote (see Nevada).
The fucking political structure is already there! Don’t remake the wheel, take over the wagon already built from the GOP pantywaists.
Hold fast, dicentra.
Can’t watch the TV myself. There’s an off chance I might actually go to eleven.
Way ahead of ya there, Benedick.
o___o
It’s the conditioning. Built right in to the epistemology.
I try to point it out. But high-dudgeon and losing more slowly sells better.
It was done before, it can be done again. That’s why we have primaries…
But that’s just so mean, Jeff: That Sheila Jaaxsun Socialee invokes Democrats invoking MLK, for crying out loud.
The guaranteed failure of state medicine isn’t at all mean. Which is what I always take away from talks with mobsters.
No caps, please. Outlaw! softly and carry a big Cranky Cudgel.
I still submit that it will come to pass that a merely anti-dirty socialist party will rise. But for this to happen, those whose ambitions transcend mere anti-dirty socialisms must be purged, which means hoochies what journey to Arizona for fun and profit needs must not find favor with The People I think.
The future.
thank you Joe that is stirring and beautiful
Again, what is this? “No more rescissions. Existing plans would no longer be able to terminate beneficiaries when they get sick.”
Does this in effect mean that contractual obligations are retroactively waived by this Congress?
You are describing the current Republican Party, ‘feets. A viable political party can’t be defined as anti-, and I personally am fucking sick of The People. I want a party that is pro-leaving me the fuck alone and anybody cool with that is cool with me, because I don’t give a good damn where you spend your Saturday night or Sunday mornings.
It wouldn’t be the first time, sdferr.
The GM bondholders are strongly of the opinion that contract law was already dead.
oh. well that’s not what I meant… but I think Team R needs to define itself as starkly opposed to Team DS, which means mavericks need to be spat on and shunned, because they will sell out our little country for their own aggrandizement every. single. time.
Issa calling bribe. Excellent.
Prediction: another +1,000 thread.
That it has happened before is noteworthy enough. I’m only interested in asking for the spelling out of the implications of the thing, is all.
I mean, I’m not that knowledgeable about the current functioning of health care plans, but would be very surprised if plan-holders were summarily dropped from coverage merely because they have taken ill and no court in the land would see to their just claims that they had been wronged in being so dropped. The thing just smells of lie, I guess.
So what? It may take some time, but in the long run, if the party sticks to individual freedom, many who may have gone left might find their way over.
Try pretending you have a mandate when you win with 37% of the votes.
Waffles are just plaid pancakes—James Gaffigan
SarahW has a very good grasp of the details.
She is not here.
waffles have syrup reservoirs
Honest answer is that I don’t know, sdferr. The market distortions here will be unprecedented. That, I’m confident of.
Kathy Castor lying openly.
I’m done voting for the lesser of two evils. What’s the fucking point?
SarahW left for better climes. Lots of people have. It’s cool. I can be contentious.
I will vote straight Team R unthinkingly.
But primary challenges are America.
Dumb bimbos don’t understand that, but I do.
I’m happyfeet and I approve this message.
I too have been accused of being contentious Mr. Jeff.
It’s the times.
Liberals don’t give a shit what the percentages are. Did you hear the sobbing speech by Patches Kennedy? It’s all about feelings, not facts. The shame gene is missing in the Kennedy DNA, as well as, the sober gene.
Louise Slaughter is thoroughly shamefull.
JeffG
I just practically see no reason to reinvent the wheel when the car is already there for the taking.
There are a lot of people who usually ignore politics (hoping politics will ignore them) that are suddenly showing up at local GOP parties and getting involved.
The media jumped on the faux “TEA Partiers make racist taunts to black congresscritters” bandwagon with concurrent calls to the GOP to “distance themselves” from TEA Party.
We don’t HAVE the time for “the long run”. Nancy Pelosi has already said this bill will “open the door” to MORE government expansion. The tipping point into a full, unalterable Euro bureacracy may already be here. 10 or 12 more years of bread and circuses will have the American populace just where the French and British are … poorer standard of living that is accepted and the only motivating thing is wondering how much vacation time they are “entitled” to.
I have started informing my “liberal” friends that I am holding them personally responsible for what comes next. And I’m going to laugh at them, loudly and cackle-y, when the gub’mint tells their kids they can’t have Halloween candy. Or life-saving surgery.
I am with Darleen. What Team R needs is discipline to curb their naughty impulses.
I’d just finished re-reading the actual transcript, Spiny.
This Speaker is getting sand thrown in his gears. It’s lovely.
And who exactly is the perfect candidate? Reagan was damn good, but he was not exactly perfect. WFB said go with the most conservative guy who can win. But that has to start in school board races on up. Every primary. Unfortunately most people wait till the general election, when it is too late.
She compared the HCR debate to being pregnant for fifteen months. Kinda funny when you know that she’d be alright with aborting a fetus at any time up until birth.
Reagan was of another era. Like Mr. Limbaugh and Donna Summer.
I would like the see the tea partiers take over the GOP and transform it from the ground up. The common thread that more than 50% of the people of this country support is fiscal restraint and smaller government.
“I will vote straight Team R unthinkingly. But primary challenges are America.”
The problem is the primary process is screwed up. That’s how we got Johnny Mac. Did you know in many states, you don’t have to even be a R to vote for the R candidate?
7:20 p.m. on the hour hand and she’s waiting for the bell
and Nancy’s looking real pretty
just wait for her clientele
More like Neil Sadaka. Saw him in Vegas. The tickets were free, and I still felt ripped off.
It IS here.
Did you people miss who the Republicans ran for President last time out?
oh. that should have been *waiting* …
I agree that closed primaries are a needed reform… but their existence is a useful measure of Team R corruption.
Couldn’t agree more with Lee. If the GOP is going to be worthwhile it needs to fix the primary system.
I don’t need a perfect candidate. I just need a principled one, and one whose principles I agree with.
The GOP backs Pajama Medias, decorum, and sanctimony. I’m not interested.
Johnny Mac is the Neil Sadaka of politics!
Mr. Drudge says that “FLASH: Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited ‘reconciliation’ procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian…. Developing…. “
This shit is actually beginning to make me nauseous, yet hopeful.
I’d feel a lot better if Pelosi would just drop dead. Hell, I’d settle for Slaughter.
I am Outlaw. Get behind, step aside, or get run over.
By the way, Outlaws wear these when they are running on the treadmill.
Or rather, they will, once they can scrounge up $99.
Loretta Sanchez is undecided?
That’s quite believable.
The whore hasn’t been there long enough to get a pension. I think she’s got to go seven more years, so even the little president man can’t make that deal work with an appointment promise.
preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.
Obama swore himself to that task, on a Bible no less. His promises, such as they are, were nothing of the sort. Which should tell you everything you need to know about Obama and the hopes that he fails.
I do not need a perfect candidate either, and I agree principals count. I see a few of them in the GOP. Virtually none in the Democratic Party. And I can’t think of any of the third party candidates who are good as the “good” GOP. Let me know if you find one of these principaled third party candidates, I will send him or her a donation.
This must have been how it was in the late Roman Republic. Hell, we do not even have a Julius Caesar or Octavius in the wings, just a punch of midget Neros piling out of the clown car.
I’m facing it: We lost. It will be close but they will win, and a ballgame won 3-2 in the 10th inning is still a win.
Narrowly, that’s ok, since a lot of what I wish for does not occur and I have learned to live with such things.
What is unfortunate is that the public polls are broadly split on the issue. Most of my countrymen seem to be at about 50%-52% opposed, leaving the rest a combination of undecided and supportive.
That’s truly terrible.
The notion of the US government having an active say in my healthcare is appalling and one of the most anti-American things I could have ever dreamed up.
Like Steyn et al. said, we are just so thoroughly happy with incrementally having things done for us that the idea of reliance and determination in matters big and small is diminished. Sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, but always, it shrinks.
This manifests itself in the fact that the European Union produces truly little that is in any technical or economic way measurably important. It is, in many ways, a region that exists to pursue leisure.
That’s what’s sad here.
At the risk of sounding like a Marxist, History just lost. The world needs a vibrant and dynamic US.
It won’t get one.
One and all should be watching this. The left side is getting its ass handed it.
OUTLAW! The whole fucking congress is filled with outlaws. They’re just able to “deem” themselves lawful, ex post facto. The constituition may as well be charmin.
Reebock? I would say buy American, but Nike makes its shoes in Obama’s old stompin grounds of Indonesia.
feed the beast buy American
I regret to inform the post-modernists among us that repeal of the world of Thomas Hobbes cannot be accomplished by voice vote.
Yeah, I started watching. C-SPAN online.
First I have to invent a principled third party.
since the little president man was elected my new thing is all the imported cheeses I never bought when I had a stake in the American experiment
blue shropshire is a wonderment
mcgruder,
The future of Europe turned out not to be 1984, but Brave New World.
Jeff, you can be our mohammed. But hopefully without the ban on alcohol, pork and the promotion of misogyny.
I like to mix my Soma with a little seltzer water and enjoy it over crushed ice.
“Obama swore himself to that task, on a Bible no less”
Actually, Obama flubbed (with an assist by Roberts) the swearing in, and redid it in a private ceremony at the white house…without a bible.
Joe,
Hell, they don’t even make Vans in California anymore. Or Levis, for that matter.
O joy, more theology!
…can’t remember if I cried
When I read about Stupak’s slide,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the country died…
Mr. Joe on March 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM
See the alliances made all around
Let the bargains abound
Life is cold
And the game is getting old
Just see how virtue repays you
You turn your back and someone betrays you
Betray him first
And the game’s reversed!
For we all are caught in the middle
Of one long treacherous riddle
Can I trust you?
Should you trust me too?
We shamble on through this hell
Taking on more deals to sell
Till there comes a day when we sell our souls away!
PercyB on March 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM
best enjoy the tasty cheeses before the inflations
No, Joe. You want a guy who is more careful with what he says, so as not to offend.
When he’s not Google bombing.
I’ll see if I can think of anyone who matches that description and get back to you.
That mob wants a Cranky product.
What difference does it make if the dems can say they heard someone in a possible third party crowd say N____r and F____t, and the media reports it as a , regardless of video proof to the contrary?
The Vans people are good people my friend what had the abortion knows the Vans people. They live in Anaheim I think. Or Fullerton. We met some of them and the Van’s girl’s husband showed me his car he had custom built a pc into the dash of… he did it all by himself too.
sdferr, I think the “theology” is what was portrayed in A Man In Full. A heavy dose of the Stoics and staying in shape to fight off the rapists and thugs in prison.
*Vans’* girl’s I mean
Nice. Double Gloucester is 20 bucks a pound as it is… and I can’t see myself paying more than $40 a bottle for Glenlivet.
o_O
should read “as a fact.” Major HTML failure.
Double Gloucester I haven’t explored yet… I will find!
“the Van’s girl’s husband showed me his car he had custom built a pc into the dash ”
Yeah, but did it run good?
Sorry…couldn’t resist.
That’s easy: the imaginary racists should have been more careful with the way they worded things.
Reader poll:
What should we do with the imaginary racists in our party?
____ shun them
____ send them to something like sensitivity training, only we won’t call it that, because that’s so very lefty, and we’re conservatives.
____ make sure they never own a male dog
____ racist!
Sdferr – the idea that recission is common is a complete fabrication pushed by those wanting to create a crisis where one did not exist, and it is not nearly as easy to do as they let on.
hey did you know if you’re pregnant there are some cheeses you have to avoid?
checkmark in the racist! box for me.
No, Joe. You want a guy who is more careful with what he says, so as not to offend…
The events of today will probably move us well beyond that.
Vans “Maestro” are the most comfortable shoes I have ever worn. When I found out they’d been discontinued, I went to every Vans store and factory outlet I could find to buy extra pairs. I managed to find 4 in my size. I’m wearing a gray pair at this moment.
That thing about classic liberalism has a flip side. Leftism is the new Man. The shameless conservative whore bastards.
Only if unborn children are important. Not sure why you’re bringing this up, given what we know about your views in the matter.
oh… I haven’t looked at Van’s for awhile… there’s a skecher’s up the hill… I will see next time I’m near a retail outlet like that… which is sort of a rare thing
I can hardly wait for the Immigration (Amnesty) debate/legislation. All your racists are belong to us!
Why I’m done with Republicans is that the majority of them read and get their news from places run by those kind of people who hold those kind of reader polls.
It’s just a new victim culture.
Unfortunately, nishi the cheeseslayer’s mother must have heeded that advice. The bitch probably didn’t smoke either.
y’all say the darnedest things sometimes
I’m going to go with “racist!” for both of your polls, J.G.
In the mean time, I have hired on new people to churn out items in the CrankyCudgel™ line of products. All the indicators show strong sales are ahead. I’m pretty sure the Squid™ brand torches and pitchforks are enjoying increasing sales as well. I’m not so sure about what will happen to our sales in the long run, though, because complacency is so much easier than activism.
JeffG
It seems horribly counter-productive for the GOP to cater their legislative agenda to the opinions of those who think they are little more than vermin cluttering and befouling the halls of power.
“That’s easy: the imaginary racists should have been more careful with the way they worded things.”
Ditto imaginary theologians.
Plus it pays better.
Xavier Becerra is a used car salesman.
Spiny, I have two words for you, Lindsey Graham!
O, bummer on the lack of increase in theologies. :-(
But maybe even better then? We can be led by novelist Tom Wolfe! CollarS White! Well Dresst we’ll be! And waffles self-referentially! Huzzah.
Or get to know a good halal butcher for the well styled sacrificings.
March 21, 2010
STUPAK CAVES; WILL ACCEPT EO IN EXCHANGE FOR VOTE; HCR WILL PASS
—Ace
I assume that last bit, but as we were talking about being two votes shy or so, Stupak’s six holdouts will certainly give Pelosi her God-damned majority.
Stupak gets more than an empty executive promise printed on worthless paper in disappearing ink, though — he’ll also get to talk on the floor of the House.
So, you know: Victory for him. He really held out hard, didn’t he?
Thanks to enoxo.
Posted by Ace at 03:59 PM New Comments Thingy
That’s why McCain likes to cross over from time to time. To get that love he so deserves.
Fuck Stupak. Fraud.
dirty socialist health care with abortions is imperceptibly worse than dirty socialist health care without abortions
you’ll see
braracky promised stupid stupak a unicorn
Why not just put RU486 in the water supply? Or better yet, have cheese fondu parties with the anti-pregnancy cheeses you referred to earlier!
I can’t disagree more stridently. Closed primaries do nothing but ossify the two party system. No fan of the convention system either.
The answer is educating the electorate on how primatries are supposed to work. If the people didn’t allow themselves to be swayed by who appears to be the leading candidate, and voted for the person that they most wanted, mo matter how they did in Iowa, we’d have a better outcome. It might lead to brokered conventions and that would NOT be a bad thing.
If we just can’t trust the people to learn how to vote, then the only other proper answer would be to have all primaries on the same day, or within the same week at the outside. The months long primary season only allows the pundits to decide who the candidates will be by telling us that our desired candidate “can’t win.” Bollocks to that.
Don’t forget the corn starch, otherwise the cheesies clump up.
some cheeses you can’t heat like that I don’t think
you’d lose all the textures and rinds
I better get the hell out of here before I start having an abortion argument with happyfeet, again.
Unprincipled liars.
Aha! A Decree from King Barry, an Edict so munificent I’ll bet Bart just wants to rub it all over his body. Theological release in the dicta of the King! Sweet.
Most politicians are just as fucked in the head as anyone else who needs positive attention from others to feel good about themselves. Anyone who goes in and doesn’t expect to get beat up by at least half of their constituents is a damn fool. McCain was a shitty choice, selected by the media (and by idiots convinced that he was the only “electable” candidate) before they turned on him as anyone could have predicted would happen, except McCain I guess. He was one more statist asshole among many (Huckabee, anyone?). My candidate was Fred! and we all knew he didn’t have a chance because enough people want the government to wipe their asses for them that a true fiscal conservative, small government candidate cannot win.
Fucking fuck!
It’s just dirty socialist health care is no less evil should it exclude abortions I don’t think.
Squid brand product placement!
Fine, mandate that only Velveta or Cheese Whiz can be consumed, and have the Chinese(who’ll be the only source eventually) spike it with the Morning After drug. It’ll be like melamine in pet food.
I second having all the primaries on one day. National primaries for a national election. It makes perfect sense.
RTO Trainer
I think it’s a great idea that Democrats are allowed to choose the GOP candidates, and not just McCain, like they did in California. Yay!
I think I’ll play some Grand Theft Auto now. I’ll run over pedestrians and pretend they’re congresscritters.
I just told my rich neighbor with the Jaguar that it was his turn to dust my end tables.
Meantime, I’ll be fucking our wife.
JHo
Bart Stupak is officially a whore. And a shockingly foolish and naïve one at that.
And what fun would the fund raising be? Without the $’s politics would be like a 4H Club state fair contest. The pigs would miss the aroma.
Incidentally, why do Republicans think the passage of this atrocity will garner them a mid-term victory? Didn’t mcgruder just say that the American people are split on this?
Seems crazy, but is that true? Has it really come to that?
Bart Stupak thinks his son killed himself cause of his acne medicine it says.
Life is weird.
I think it’s a horrible thing to have to be classifed (indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered) by something as inconsequetial as political party. And the crossover can work both ways. Damn near resulted in Hillary winning the Texas primary. But that still hurts the way it’s supposed to work–if all those (R) voters that voted for Hillary in the other primary had voted for Thompson, Romney or Huckabee, McCain might have had to make a deal with someone for the nomination. If nothng else that alone might have saved us from the Palin rants.
2012 is what matters more, and I don’t see any reason this hurts the little president man’s chances there.
Not per se.
Rosie O’Donnell will blame Stupak’s homophobia in 5, 4, 3…
no idea but that does have all kinds of ironic potentialities I think
First I have to invent a principled third party
JeffG
Back when the Libertarian party first formed (1971), I, a high school jr., thought “cool! I can get behind these guys”
I did register R in ’72 because McGovern creeped me out. But four years later registered L and voted accordingly until Reagan came along.
The Libertarian Party has never progressed with any significance in 38 years. From Perot to Nadar to Ron Paul, third party candidates have been losers and inflicted losses by splitting off the “purity” voters. That’s why I do NOT want the TEA party movement to become a party because they will then lose whatever influence they have right now.
I understand the frustration. I would rather some movement to mandate a “none of the above” category and if “NOTA” slot wins, the election is done over with NEW candidates (the ones voted against are barred from running).
But working on a third party is a sure loser.
Executive Order.
Not if I get to keep my principles.
Besides. Can’t even get people to agree to a rule to prove that they are who they say they are before voting. How you gonna get any clear idea who belongs to what party?
oh. So it’s like a signing statement.
Neat.
“Didn’t mcgruder just say that the American people are split on this?Didn’t mcgruder just say that the American people are split on this?”
I just saw a graphic on FOX that only 37% want this bill. 19% want to do nothing, the rest want to start over on a new bill.
Yeah, and Stupak gets to keep the pen!
Which will likely be rescinded by another EO after the November midterms. Bart threw himself on the grenade for nothin’.
From a comment at Hot Air:
Heh.
How primaries are done is set at the State Party level. Each State Party needs to look at what they need to make it better. Here in Michigan the Republicans need a closed primary because the Democrats in Detroit will always turn out to push some squish RINO to win for the R’s.
Are the Yoopers proud now.
We are going to have our family taxes increase by $5000 from this bill, plus an additional when the Bush tax cuts expire, plus additional when our existing health insurance plan increases its rates, or we have our plans diminished because of the tax burden, if not dropped altogether. Fuck them.
Arizona has closed primaries and they vote for flaming homopublican pansies like Meghan’s daddy.
Here is a helpful list.
Great. Now I’ve got to get used to being punked like that by a Bart.
Shit.
Florida is closed. But you can always register D (or R, depending on which party is more contentious) and vote against whomever you please in the primary.
It’s always good for an economy when everyone’s main focus is on tax avoidance.
Think I read that in a Krugman column.
JD. at least Joe Biden will consider you “patriotic!” You’ll have that going for you…which is nice.
please to remember this when these California losers come begging like crack whores, which the little president man’s economy-strangling taxings ensure
Forget the budget busting, forget the sleazy deals and Noh play posturing, forget the arrogance of ignoring the People;
THIS BILL MANDATES THAT EVERYONE PURCHASE A SERVICE UNDER THREAT OF IMPRISONMENT AND FINES. THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEING ON THE LIPS OF ALL THE REPUBLICANS FOR THE LAST 9 MONTHS.
THIS IS THE END OF REPRESENTATIONAL GOVERNMENT IN THIS COUNTRY.
P.S., there are no ‘Democratics’ only Democrats. Democracy is form of government/political ideology.
Democrats do not deserve to be called Democratic.
I thought Jeff understood this about how words affect perception. The liberal/left media made this style change a few years ago (before clinton, democrats were democrats) for THAT VERY REASON.
Nice symbolism. I would do it, but those three buck packages start adding up pretty quick and it might just encourage him to engage in more bad behavior.
About those racial slurs from the tea party? IMAO says not true.
I suspected as much. It was just a set prop for their walk across the bridge like Selma theater.
Shameless.
OH.
Insufficient emphasis, jakee308. I’d consider more caps.
Maybe here…
I’m for “have been beings”! More “have been beings” says I!
Yeah, it’s much better if govermental agency like the EPA fucks California rather than a company like Enron. Just ask Central Californians about their water rights.
Connie!
who cares about central fucking Californians’ water rights? California deserves every stroke of anal rape it gets.
LBascom
I doesn’t matter, really.
Who was it that quipped that a lie is half way around the world before the truth even gets its boots on? George Soros’ lickspittle have declared the allegations to be the truth, no matter what CNN’s own video shows. That is all anyone will hear about.
like “kill him” @ a palin rally
who cares about central fucking Californians’ water rights
let’s see… people who buy food and like to, you know, EAT?
Yeah, ‘feets, fuck those goddamned GOP counties in California. Fuck them all to hell.
this is a gerrymandered dirty socialist canton, Darleen… it’s really quite best the rest of our little country learn not to depend on them
“Anal rape” is a marriage vow on Santa Monica Boulevard! Ever been to the Revolver?
the gerrymandered GOP homopublicans in California support the lie of democracy here as much as that faggot Arnold does I think…
happyfeets is once more showing his true colors I think
it’s really quite best the rest of our little country learn not to depend on them
so the rest of the country should like be as dependent on foreign countries for FOOD as they are for OIL?
yeah, that’ll work out fine
yes… I would depend on foreign countries for food before I would depend on California in a dirty socialist America
“An executive order IS NOT LAW.”
for a guy who thinks everyone should mind their own business and not be so judgey, feets sure does throw the gayhomocuntwhorecumsluts around quite a lot.
which are not judgey at all; everyone knows that
Well, I was going to mention that people like happyfeet seem to think that conservatives in California are no better than the liberals, if not worse. I see I don’t need to now.
They don’t want California conservatives leaving the state, either, because we might end up in their state. The horror!
Btw, am I the only person who immediately thought that it’s silly to send dimes rather than nickels? You know what’d really bug him? Silver dollars.
i on the other hand think happyfeets should give the gay dirty socialist kind of ritual denunciations a rest
so sez i, anyhoo
There are plenty of avacados down in Mexico. What are you, a protectionist racist?
feets, I thought you voted “NO” on Prop H8?
We giveth and taketh based on loyality and voting “correctly”.
hopefully that was not too judgey of me
conservatives in California are fucked I think Spiny… it’s called math.
In other internet forums (HA, fer example), I have occasionally mentioned the possibility of moving out of California if the right job offer comes my way. I have had more than a few Texans tell me to stay the fuck out of Texas, no matter how conservative my politics are. Don’t worry guys: Texas is off my list. Thanks.
I didn’t even vote on 8. That one was for easily manipulated shallow morons, either way you voted.
Central Valley supplies (supplied) up to 8% of the country’s fresh produce, 50% of the country’s fruits, nuts and vegetables and over 90 percent of our almonds, artichokes, avocados, broccoli and processing tomatoes.
murder the Central Valley at your own risk
you are welcome in California Mr. Spiny… we can go have barbecues and kolaches!
And don’t forget tainted tomatoes! Makes for a real zesty salsa!
I’m not for murdering the Central Valley. California’s dirty socialists did that all by themselves.
You’re just mad cause your pension is highly theoretical.
Meanwhile, Mexican produce monopolies are breathlessly chanting “Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please” (or the Spanish equivalent thereof).
I’d send 30 washers put onto 1 bolt and 1 nut, screwed tight-tight. Tell him he screwed it now unscrew it.
mexico makes glorious fruits and vegetables… plus they have the same political system we do!
Can we agree that progressivism hates it some reality?
I would depend on foreign countries for food before I would depend on California
wow, bet your nose is nervous.
I need a zesty salsa purge every now and again Ms. Thorisa Cheesedick.
You’re just mad cause your pension is highly theoretical.
back away, squint.
That’s it, Geoff. Myself, if I give a moron three bucks I expect to see some double cheeseburgers out of it.
Uh, jake? The headline comes from the NY Daily News, not yours truly. It’s in quotation marks and everything.
Think the original headline was changed after your post, Jeff. THAT’S WHAT CONFUSED JAKE.
Yeah, California is ruled by SD, LA, and SF. The rest of the state is pretty red.
Especially the central valley. Where I live.
You keep trying to make me your enemy hf. Why is that?
Oh God, let it be true
it’s an affliction I think, LBascom. he cant help it
I’m not trying to make you my enemy Mr. lee. You want I will help you load the U-Haul.
Oh. Okay. Well, I don’t have any control over that.
kind of like tourettes or something
LBascom
SD was red before last election. I bet it’ll be at least purple now.
Actually, the Endangered Species Act and the Federal District Court Judge Oliver Wanger did that.
yea but it sounds precedential
Boxer is a big ESA supporter. Arnold too.
Well, the quotation marks should have tipped him off, Jeff. QUOTATION MARKS MEAN SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT.
California gets to be the first to live in the world they did so much to give birth to.
Proper.
Grinning like a toothy fool at that interviewer when asked about economic disaster was too.
Slart, I think it must be Asperger’s, like nishi the shitslayer claims, that way the indifference to other’s feelings is offset by the insinuation of brilliance associated with the disorder.
its appropriate that the demorats have as spokesperp on the floor someone named slaughter for a bill on “health care”
Darleen @ 344
Who cares? The house passes the senate version on an up and down vote and that’s it. Obama will sign it, it’s law. Reconciliation was all bull shit anyway. The House Dems can pretend all they want that they were hoodwinked by the upper chamber, much like Stupak is going to pretend that Obama double crossed him. Maybe that buys them some cover back home…..
jesse jr looks like he could be one of calypso louis’ guys
bosh… there’s no quelling the dissolution of a pan-American identity… we’re socialists! In fact we’ve reach the crossroads and chosen the fork past which patriotism is positively dangerous.
And we said it couldn’t happen here.
The American character is poised to reach height of smallness and narrow bitter shallow exercising of self-interest unimagined in our literature.
And you can tell your grandkids you were there!
might I have that cupcake or are you hoarding it?
I understand.
holy shit
Well, actually, a lot of places went blue this last election.
I blame McCain.
I’ve never been prouder to be a Republican. The party’s Congressional leaders have fought this battle to the end on behalf of the American people–with intelligence, toughness, persistence and good humor. The contrast between the parties has never been starker than in today’s debate. If any intelligent Democrats were watching–there must be some left–they had to be embarrassed for their party
“Abandon your posts!! Flee, flee for your lives!!”
The health care bill’s taxes will go into effect promptly, but its substantive provisions are, for the most part, deferred for four years.
I don’t know that that’s true Mr. Hinderaker. I’m going from what’s here
Dallas, County. yep.
But I’m a Paul Ryan Republican too.
If you can accept losing, you can’t win.
intelligent Democrats
intelligence has nothing to do with it. Obama is quite intelligent and quite unprincipled, unethical and unAmerican.
Now Mexico, that one, whatever pretend political system they’ve got, understands them some non-post-modern Hobbesian worldviewing: “More better murders, daily! Get ’em while they’re hot.” Come to think on it, so do some Americans in inner cities.
They been doing an Outlaw thing of their own for a few decades now. Nancy needs an introduction. There simply isn’t any fru-fru handwaving jawjacking horseshit to be found on those streets. Look down the barrel of that nine Nancy and see if you think he’s kidding.
happy, don’t listen to Hinderaker. Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.
Mr. Hinderaker is from another era. Like Tip O’Neill and Charro. But he’s bang on about Mr. Ryan.
John, have you asked any of your democratic friends? If so, what was their response? I can’t even talk politics with my liberal friends anymore.
Mexico is the future. Well, ours.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Winners never quit and quitters never win. Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/96118/
Paul Ryan is fine. But as for Hinderaker, even a broken clock is right two times a day.
I think we’re more lurching to Venezuela territory
That’s probably not John Hinderaker. Why not just quote and link, probably-not-John-Hinderaker?
Mr. Hinderaker is a friend of Israel.
Venezuela? Yes. Once this bill is a done deal then inflation becomes more seductive than Lila Rose after a couple Zimas.
Nice to see them stand up for their constituents. Unfortunately, if the National GOP hadn’t been “playing along to get along” with the Democrats the better part of a decade, we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in.
Okay happy, Israel and Ryan, two times he was right. Next.
Well, like Venezuela with even less appreciation for oil wealth. And fewer bananas.
Just scanned the thread quickly, a couple of thoughts. First on third parties, don’t get caught up in that “end of history” mindset- there haven’t always been Republicans and Democrats, there aren’t always going to be Republicans and Democrats. Shit gets shaken up periodically and there is no reason now can’t be one of those times.
And, especially if this bill passes, short term solutions are no solutions at all. We have to start thinking long term restructuring, we are too far gone for quick fixes. And voting for someone just because they aren’t something else isn’t a sustainable strategy, being anti-socialist or anti-Democrat won’t cut it, you have to establish what you are, most folks don’t care what you aren’t.
I just stopped reading Powerline cause he reminds me of my grandfather a little.
I am pro-shit gets shaken up.
Many of Team R’s affirmative beliefs are repellent to the people we need to vote for us Mr. Moe.
We’ve discussed this.
Oh, and New Orleans? This is just to remind you all, you’re still built below sea level and next time…? There ain’t gonna be any money to shovel into your little tart’s pockets…
Dr. Sanity joining Jeff in being pessimistic.
Have I been blocked?
But waffles B Moe, waffles. With butter and syrup. Spiny, for you, prunes.
And many of your beliefs are repellant to me. Grow the fuck up.
what would undue pessimism even look like?
Thank goodness you linked it LBascom, jake would go incoherent permanent caps lock on us.
Oh, come on now.
Anyway, Mark Steyn has appropriate commentary up at NRO’s The Corner, but links to it won’t post.
Re-write ’em as tinyurls Spiny.
The Corner
How do?
jes copypaste your link into the box here, copy the output and insert that into your comment where you think fit.
Like so.
Uh oh. He’s a lifey one, that one. Votes that way and everything.
race hustlers out in force:
via the corner whose urls pw doesn’t like
There‘s a better option than tinyurl now.
Nancy and Barack will make sure all those little Congressmen and women “get their minds right“.
This vote is the Democrat’s Jonestown mass-suicide.
From now on “Drink the kool-aid” will be replaced with “Deem and pass”.
So that’s a plus. I was really tired of “drink the kool-aid”.
I know Mr. Ryan is Lifey. So what? You have a problem with that?
nuance!
Thanks.
Did you notice professional race hustler Jesse Jackson is repeating the debunked claims of the crowds shouting racial slurs? Should I be surprised?
I am surprised that the Dems haven’t called for riot police to disperse the “unruly, dangerous mob, by any means necessary”.
I have been using the Xinha toolbar download to edit and make links, works great.
hf wrote
But I’m a Paul Ryan Republican too.
Many of Team R’s affirmative beliefs are repellent to the people we need to vote for us
without any sense of irony
or maybe awareness
good.fucking.lord.
you say it jesse that’s the whole demorat mo
Mr. Bush was lifey too but I loved him more than pickles.
Used to be tinyurl could be used right inside Firefox but no more. Is there another one now that works as a browser addon?
Yes! Projection, it’s the Democratic Party way!
=^D
Me? No. But you just know all those cumslut fascist whores are gonna embrace him and then what will the brown people think?
From the Benishek for Congress Facebook: LMAO!
Jesse hears racial slurs in his Rice Krispies in the morning.
Well, if Mr. Ryan wants to foreground his support for a Human Fucking Life Amendment or whatever lifey fascism appeals to him, I don’t think it will go very well for him if he pursues higher office.
But he is a man of substance. Unlike lifey whore/mean shrill carny barker Sarah Palin.
Compare.
Contrast.
Nuance!
Yes. Like Democrats, for instance.
We managed to 420 comments before ‘feets gave in to his obsession.
So roughly 24 Democrat lawmakers voted against the Rule. They must be the electorally endangered worrywarts in need of all the protective cover they can get, eh?
I mean, if Team R can get Democrats to vote for them, they’d be golden, wouldn’t they?
From Spiny Norman’s link.
Yep, what’s not to like. Utopia, coming to your hometown soonest. But health care? Don’t hold your breath, suckers.
It was Pablo what gave in to the siren call of teh fetuses, Spiny…
I was trying to show some support for my likeminded staunch conservative friend Mr. Ryan.
I’m watching Bewitched in syndication. It’s comforting because it’s much closer to reality than observing the acts of Democratic Legislative and Executive branches.
Well, if Mr. Ryan wants to foreground his support for a Human Fucking Life Amendment or whatever lifey fascism appeals to him, I don’t think it will go very well for him if he pursues higher office.
But he is a man of substance. Unlike lifey whore/mean shrill carny barker Sarah Palin.
wow, and a bunch of “borrowing” from nishi (and “foreground” from Jeff)! bet she sends some buttertarts to hf.
buttertarts!
It seems to be only women who support abortion who draw ‘feets wrath. Funny that.
no. Daddy Tebow and Timmah too!
I think Mr. Ryan is going to have to be purged. You know what the HuffPo is going to tell the smart and the brown people about him, right? And God knows, he’s probably having sex with that Palin thing.
Remember GavelGrrl Nan’s big speech after passage of Stimulus and what a peachy barn-burner of a spur to bipartisanship that was? Today’s is gonna be a doozey, I’d reckon.
also Mr. Stupak is a notable lifey whore what I have called out in this very thread Mr. Moe.
Daddy Tebow and Timmah too!
that’s sick
Pablo, you’re divisive.
She tends to be a tad self-indulgent, our wise Speaker GrannyNan.
From Ace, Stupak last year, stating that he would vote for Obamacare even with government funded abortions.
Just damn.
The Speaker is too botoxy for me! I find it hard to trust someone whose facial expressions need an assist.
I don’t understand why the media didn’t find that clip sooner geoff.
I saw that last year when it happened hf.
This has been a cruel charade.
i think the difference is mr ryan didn’t do a commercial during TEH SUPERBOWEL, pablow
Attention whore Bart Stupak has been attention whoring.
you are mocking me.
I give you guys 10 years tops before you’ve got teeth like Brits and feminine hygiene like the French.
Ratings and Ideology.
i hope my feminine hygeine doesnt degrade that far, silver
I give it at least a generation, SW. The Brits had bad teeth and the Frogs bad personal hygiene well before socialized health care. We still have a Hollywood image of pretty that many will still aspire to.
The Department of Redundancy Department apologizes for the redundancies in that prior comment, for which we apologize.
Spiny, the miasma you’re about to sink into – nanny’s udders are narcotic. You won’t have the energy for anything anymore. Except more nuzzling.
Perhaps we ought to remember that things were somewhat statist and fascistic before today, which is why I have been an OUTLAW for quite some time now. A breezy scatological analogy: we have gone from knee-deep in feces to chest-high.
Now, soon, we could damn well suffocate. There’s no denying that. However, let’s not pretend we were having sensual relations in strawberry fields prior to the chest-high waste expansion; we were still knee-deep in shit.
Anyone think it’s possible to know the entire tax code in any given year? Are you aware that almost no tax returns are prepared the same way by different people, because the rules are so complex and abstract that they cannot be interpreted the same way by a majority of reasonable people? Laws are constantly passed year in and year out, in “language” specifically designed to enable fraud and corruption, and yet ignorance of “the law” is no excuse in court. It is impossible to know every law and regulation of your local, state, and federal government and, moreover, you and every single person in the country is at some point guilty of violating written statutes. For example: the cell phone tax situation has its basis in an archaic 1989 law intended to deal with company-owned mobile phones. The law requires company-provided wireless services to be included in a worker’s gross income.
To defend oneself, you have to have wealth in many cases or have subpar advocacy, which is still quite expensive. In the above cell phone example, you just have to thank your masters in Congress for not punishing you (this time) for not paying your cell phone tax, even though it’s the law.
10 years, no prob. The euthanasia will have kicked in by then.
Mr. Whistle speaks truth.
Maybe a little kakothanasia even.
You made me google but not giggle.
I googled but got tripped up about the ersatz koffee that warms but gives no buzz.
10 years hell. Apparently we are already reduced to wearing our dead relatives teeth!
easy rule of thumb, substitute a euphonic variant of kakos/kakoi/cacos/cacoi for eu wherever she pops up, so — cacophony
“I’d send 30 washers put onto 1 bolt and 1 nut, screwed tight-tight. Tell him he screwed it now unscrew it.”
Good stuff geoffb
Follow through, and I’ll scrounge up some washers. Can you provide the best address to send them please?
they kiddies don’t call shit kaka for nothing.
I wasn’t going to drink tonight, I don’t think that’s really an option.
Mike Pence is disappointed.
For Danger
Silver Whistle
Oh, I’m sure the miasma of dependency you speak of will be with us sooner than any of us are willing to believe, it’s just the physical manifestations we see in our European cousins will be a bit longer in taking hold.
Waxman on the CSpan. This health care is as pretty as he is.
Oh well, I guess it’s over then.
Anyway, best of luck to the GOP and their future “We promise to rollback and/or deny health coverage to any and all sick children previously denied coverage” campaign platform.
I’m sure this strategy will go over huge with all those squishy, mindless independents.
So a few months back, my dad had triple-bypass and spent a couple weeks in the hospital. The bill is about $150,000. 80% should be covered by Medicare, and 1/2 of the remaining by his union insurance.
It wasn’t easy telling him that he’s a parasite sucking the blood from his children and grandchildren’s future, but the truth is the truth.
Yep, but Henry Waxman thinks he is the boss of you, whereas healthcare couldn’t give a damn.
Oh, I’m sure the miasma of dependency you speak of will be with us sooner than any of us are willing to believe, it’s just the physical manifestations we see in our European cousins will be a bit longer in taking hold.
Take a look at RD, Spiny, and you’ll see what I mean.
It’s a very good thing your father had the surgery now, not the least for the sake of his health, because in the near future, Medicare would not have paid anywhere near that amount.
Fuck you RD and your buttboy Charles. Thankfully there is the Hammer.
Silver Whistle
Clearly, for some of us, it’s already here – and welcomed with open arms.
Yes, RD, we know you love Big Brother, now run along.
Dirty socialists will crow. For awhile. Then, when the Chinese, Japanese and Saudis start asking for some of their monies back, the dirty socialists will realize that, well, TANSTAAFL.
Yup, now it’s a pain pill and good luck. Oh, and try not expend too much CO2 on your way out.
what was schip for again?
“A breezy scatological analogy: we have gone from knee-deep in feces to chest-high.”
Coffee breaks over.
Kneel down.
Your dad is still going to die,Charles.
Just like Carrie Fisher’s dad Eddie Fisher and whatever Gwyneth Paltrow’s dad was called.
Bruce?
*, Charles* I mean
So I’m going to be contrary to ‘teh narrative’ of our government officials, but how the hell are people supposed to buy this damned healthcare if they are *UNEMPLOYED* because the economy still sucketh a big one? Tell me that Obama, Pelosi, Reid…
…Bueller….Bueller…Bueller….
unemployed people get subsidies I think baxtrice, and they better cause if they don’t have health insurance they’ll get their indigent asses fined…
They seem to think Warren Buffet and friends are going to be coughing up the dough bax, let’s don’t disturb their reveries quite yet. Whites of the eyes, remember.
isn’t it about that time?
dead little country walking
Cspan: someone invoked the name of unoly Ted Kennedy (MHRIH).
So does SquidCo also feature MagneTar and Eco-Friendly Feathers? Put me down for a barrel of each.
I’m seriously considering sending a fax to each critter’s office. Three pages. One with “TAR”, the next with “FEATHERS”, the last with “SEE YOU SOON”. In as big a font as the paper will support.
missing a little ‘h’ there.
If you needs definition of mhrih, just ask. )
Too bad they’re going to close Gitmo.
to be an amish or a christian scientist that is the question to get the exemption
That’s part of what I told him. ‘
And don’t get me started on the VA that patched up my buddy’s dad when he had a stroke something like 30 years after ‘Nam.
Yes, let’s add some solemnity to the proceedings – do it for Zombie Ted.
Your buddy’s dad is gonna die too.
I can be a christian scientist. After I see if I need shoulder surgery.
Mark Steyn sums it up well:
Hey, Stupak’s ready to grandstand!!!
Let’s play the abortion drinking game.
I’m with RD and Charles. Time to stop paying the taxes and start sucking on that fed titty. Charles and RD, I hope you had lots of kids, because my health care is going to have to be paid for by someone, and I’m not going to mind one little bit if they are taxed to 80% of their income. Hell, I’ll vote democrat just so long as they keep the free stuff coming.
Charles, it’s never too late, try self-aborting!
The night is young, Charles.
Pardon my language but.. F*ck me running. That “buy it or get fined shit” just makes me want to scream. It’s time to dig up George Washington and shock his ass back to life. Forcing citizens to buy healthcare is unconstitutional. AAARGH!!
I think you all think I was joking when I scolded my dad for sucking on the teat of Medicare.
Patterico expresses anger without any sense of irony:
Pat might start by banning a good man. What is happening today goes beyond a “death threat” to actually implementing the plan.
I thought you were joking when you said about scolding your dad for sucking on the teat of Medicare.
LOL. they don’t think executive orders matter. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Charles, nobody fucking cares what you did to your dad.
I wasn’t joking.
Zombie George? No, no. Ours is a country that will have Sonny Bono’s widow in office over some competent no-namer non-ZombieGeorge.
Mr. P is on Team Freedom and that’s good enough for me, Joe.
It’s All Over Now, from a time when I had no worries or cares. 16 and my own car. Stones, so much younger.
You’re very complex, Charles.
Can we pass universal healthcare for puppies now?
“No longer will children cry because their parents don’t think fluffy’s worth the 2k.”
Now I understand why Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned. What else do you do? Anyone else want to help me rearrange these deck chairs?
“On the plus side, somebody can probably take my outlaw thing and make a mint off it now. My money is on Ace.”
Bullshit Jeff,
Not on my watch!
One way or another I’m gonna see this socialist takeover derailed. If I have to retire early and run for congress myself I’ll do it. And I’ll drag LTC John and Bob Reed with me (mispent youth be damned Bob). I’ll be needing somebody good with words with a platform dedicated to Classic liberal/Conservative/F’n American principles. Know any place like that?
I am not putting up with dust storms, rocket attacks, sinus headaches and little girls with heartaches because their daddy is gone to watch this country be abused like this.
You just keep fightin OUTLAW!
It was rainin’ in heaven when you went down
You were better than the best
Stayed a notch above the rest
It was rainin’ in heaven when you went down
Your mother cried, said she told you so
But you touched the devil and couldn’t let go
(Yeah)
No one controls the Outlaw
You wrote the story with the movie in mind
An angel face with a criminal side
Celebraed as the rebel kind
The Outlaw
I wonder if you knew
They would turn your bad deeds into good
Paint you as a modern robinhood
It’s high noon
Everywhere you go
And the guilt you feel is the weary soul
(Yeah)
Of the Outlaw
Hearts weren’t made to be ruled
And rules weren’t made to be broken
It’s cold and lonely at the end of your life
And nobody sleeps `til they turn out the lights
For the Outlaw
Where you gonna go, where you gonna hide
It’s cold and lonely for the Outlaw
Where you gonna go, where you gonna hide
As the Outlaw
they don’t think executive orders matter
They don’t.
EOs don’t have the power of legislated law. ObaMao will wait until we’re deep in the throes of something else and quietly sign another EO to cancel the first one.
Sure, they matter. Obama could just have signed an executive order that said “mandated nationwide health insurance” instead of going through all this crapola.
A smarter president would have done that, I think.
apparently tonight will not be the denouement is what some link said… so DarthRove’s point is very valid.
dicentra you are wrong, baby. charles says so.
Not really. Basically I boil down to, “I’ll argue for what’s in my favor, you argue for what’s in your favor. I promise I won’t pretend to know what’s needed if you’re 22, or gay, or black, or a woman, or 70, or have drug addicted teen agers. You quit fucking pretending you know what’s in the interests of a small business owner with relatively young children.”
If I was 30, and worked at Safeway, I’d love the idea of the Gubment paying part of my healthcare. From where I sit, I think some people need to figure out how to be more valuable to society, and when they do, they’ll likely find they can afford decent health coverage.
dicentra,
That “something else” will doubtless be Shamnesty.
How long before they ban salt?
At The Corner:”The rule on debate passed in the House 224-206 with 28 Democrats in opposition. Debate is now underway on the Senate bill.”
Drug addicted teenagers are so sad.
224 is many.
Quick, it‘s your big chance to denounce imaginary racists based on made-up stories from known liars!
Headline: “Republicans denounce racist and anti-gay slurs”.
So are addled adults.
I guess someone is really important if they get to be “recognized for 45 seconds.”
If I was 30, and worked at Safeway, I’d love the idea of the Gubment paying part of my healthcare.
The fact that having your narrow interests fulfilled spells harm to the Republic is awfully consequential. I am UNINSURABLE, and yet I’m as against this Obamination as I can be because of the harm it does to our country.
I don’t want to be in a parent/child relationship with the gubmint, much less master/slave.
But if you think it’s best to think only of one’s own immediate interests — especially as a demographic group — then congratulations, you’re a progressive.
i think amish then i don’t worry about the emp attacks
amish is the one where you can shave, yes?
I get itchy
before it was slaughter overseeing the “health care” debate
now we have waxman.
I think it makes me exactly the opposite of progressive. If I were a progressive, I would pretend to be a caribou, or spotted owl, or poor person, or even some kid living in the slum in India. The problem is, that these concerned ninny’s have no idea what the hell their talking about. They don’t walk in someone else’s shoes, and use the pretense that they do to tell everyone else what they must do, else they be “bad people.”
I don’t expect to have my narrow interests fulfilled. I expect to argue for what’s in my interests, and trust that if you’re interests mean anything to you, you’ll argue for yours. If there are a lot more of you, and you can sufficiently terrify the craven politicians more than me and the “like mes” can, then you’ll win. And you should.
If Charles is on Team Freedom then I think that’s super.
Thanks hf. You have no idea how much I’ve disliked disliking you.
I think that was Michelle Malkin.
Thanks for the link geoffb,
Mr. Stupak will be getting a little package with an overseas APO adress on it in about two weeks.
I’m leaning towards the 30 nickels though, because the symbolism is more obvious.
G’night OUTLAWS!
Oh and Charles, Maybe if the Union had not squandered your dads insurance money buying politicians and lining the pockets of Union officials he would not need Medicare to cover 80%, PUTZ!
David Frum…
I can’t tell if he’s secretly happy or in lament.
Charles is Michelle Malkin?
sooo confusing
I can be very off-putting, Charles. There are lots of new ideas to explore in this wilderness landscape what we roam and roam.
Frum mostly just settles for fancying he’s relevant.
Frum worked very hard to see this day arrive. He deserves to do his little dance.
Frum is on team freedom, too, apparently.
No. Frum is on team suck my cock.
Do keep up.
What you are, Charles, is slippery, and deliberately so.
You come here to provoke, but only to the point where you can “plausibly” back off should someone call your bluff. I seem to remember a debate between you and me about AGW where you coyly took a devil’s advocate position until you were slammed to the wall, and then you made as if we were on the same side all the time.
You’re passive-aggressive, which is another word for yellow-bellied coward. I don’t take kindly to people who use language in such an equivocal manner. If your “yes” doesn’t mean yes and your “no” doesn’t mean no, get off my lawn.
serr8d,
Frum is lamenting all the
crumbsgoodies the GOP “moderates” could have gotten out of this, had the Conservatives not fucked it all up.Frum is right about one thing… if this passes, pity the winner in 2010.
Shouldn’t that be Team “Freedom?”?
Sarah Palin? Not so much.
Frum, if he had his ‘moderate’ way, would’ve lost this months ago. And it would’ve been much worse.
Gonna repeat the Steyn quote that Jeff cited upthread. It bears repeating over and over and over.
In fact, I think that will be faxed to all the GOP senate should this thing pass. Maybe the house, too.
Team Carny Barker will come out of this very well I imagine.
“32 Million More Americans have health care” – and will be henceforth paid Democrat voters.
A loss is a loss. But at least we elected a Black president. Which is far more important. Because of what it says.
Lord knows it’s been great no longer having to hear whites called racist. Well worth a little soft socialism.
I am surprised David Frum is even upset.
I don’t understand the not naming names on Mr. Steyn’s part.
My guess is, they already were.
And to think they could have done this all a lot more cheaply by taking out health insurance on those 45,000 people a year.
Sorry dic if I can believe that CO2 levels are rising and that we don’t need to do a damn thing about it.
I’m sure it’s much easier to live in a world where if the opponents solutions are wrong, then all their facts must be wrong too. If I’m a yellow-bellied coward, then you’re a coward standing tall behind the tower shield of ignorance.
If I come here to provoke, then it’s only mindless radicalism on both sides that I feel compelled to poke with the simplest stick.
43. Comment by baxtrice on 3/21 @ 11:27 am #
There’s going to be a lot of pink slips in Congress this November.
61. Comment by Spiny Norman on 3/21 @ 11:46 am #
Rather than “Jonestown”, I think the Democrat leadership considers the current batch of elected Dems cannon fodder, and the fodder apparently doesn’t mind, believing the Party will repay them will some cushy mid-level bureaucrat position after they’re voted out in November.
baxtrice doesn’t get it yet; SN does.
You don’t think there will be room for lifetime positions for 300/400/600 unelected legislators in the expanded IRS and New Health Bureau for them to, ah, re-serve the public, unaccountably?
Myself, I’ve already established specific relationships with my physician, dentist, eye-guy, also accountant and counsel. Recommend as many of you do so while you can. Preferably someone with experience in battlefield medicine.
We should start a movement demanding that all members of Congress and the President get the same health care “choices” as the rest of us.
I will switch out Clarence Thomas for Barack Obama any day. Win win. Race and white guilt was the mechanism for getting Obama elected, but in itself is irrelevant, and it could have easily been gender and making a historic statement. Hillary would have beaten McCain too. The ultimate problem is ideology.
Good idea Jeff, they might not linger so long in office.
I don’t know if the President can be, rightly, included. National Security/competence and so on. Maybe limit the President only to military healthcare….
And it is hard to imagine a simpler stick than you, Charles.
Translation: This bill is terrible, but it’s nothing compared to the fact that we elected a black president.
Get over it Jeff.
There is no getting over this. Not ever.
Jeff G.
If I’m not mistaken, someone in the GOP House delegation suggested that very thing yesterday.
My google-fu is rather weak, so I’m not sure where to even begin looking for it.
charles is having a hard time with this english language thingie. i suggest remediation.
See Jeff, Charles knows what you meant even more than you do! Tarot cards must be next.
Translation: This bill is terrible, but it’s nothing compared to the fact that we elected a black president.
Ex-SCUSE me? Are you imposing a racist interpretation on Jeff’s utterance?
Do you not understand sarcasm?
well if the stupid party wins they could take away baracky’s credit card so there’s that
He is, by his own admission, here to provoke, by whatever idiotic means necessary.
“We should start a movement demanding that all members of Congress and the President get the same health care “choices” as the rest of us.”
Ok one more:
Jeff if the stars aligned and I ran that would be the first bill I promised to sponsor. I would also vote for anyone that was so inclined.
G’night (for reals this time;)
its sad, really. and to think that some taxpayers somewhere paid some perfectly good tax monies to try and educate charles. all down the toilet, now.
the income thresholds aren’t indexed
Yes, Charles’ scolding his dad story was quite thought provoking, but not in a joking way. You did say you weren’t joking, right Charles?
at least for the taxings
559. Comment by Jeff G. on 3/21 @ 6:01 pm #
We should start a movement demanding that all members of Congress and the President get the same health care “choices” as the rest of us.
Not just them, but also but every member of the public sector; local, state, federal- particularly those MA bureaucrats who “support” this movement but refuse MAHealth- be
covered under this “plan”un-exempted from the mandates.jeeezus, if I was Charles’ dad, I would’ve gotten up from my hospital bed and beat the snot out of him with the metal IV holder.
Just remember who was the original pessimist.
Frum cribbed from me I bet.
That translation has nothing at all to do with anything I said.
Get lost, Charles.
somewhere Jimmy Carter is having a good laugh… his “malaise” era is gonna look like a Beverly Hills prom night
Charles doesn’t strike me as the type of person to scold someone who was mobile enough to cause him physical harm.
I still can’t get over this… it’s been up all weekend.
But Jeff, Charles is a moderate. He’s the guy who’s going to save us from ourselves by pointing out the extremes!
Because the TRVTH is always somewhere in the middle, right Charles?
Pretty sure Neville Chamberlain had carved out that position for himself as well. RIIIIGHT down the middle between Hitler (admittedly a brute) and that irrational warmonger Churchill.
560. Comment by Joe on 3/21 @ 6:02 pm #
I will switch out Clarence Thomas for Barack Obama any day. Win win. Race and white guilt was the mechanism for getting Obama elected, but in itself is irrelevant, and it could have easily been gender and making a historic statement. Hillary would have beaten McCain too. The ultimate problem is ideology.
No. Justice Thomas is needed where he is, for the next couple generations.
Thomas Sowell or Shelby Steele or Col. West can better conduct the philosophical and political articulation if that superficial weight of identity is still needed.
And now, for Round 2, courtesy Texas AG Greg Abbott.
Charles is a pithier version of Christof.
I know a site far better suited to you, Charles.
Oh look. Charles knows he crossed the line and now he’s going to hide because he can’t weasel his way out of this one.
pfah. churchill. just what we needed was a pantswetting alarmist in office. and look what happened: many years of needless, destructive war.
I just love how color-blind Jeff points out that the president is black every other time he opens his yap.
Like I said, in Jeff’s utopia, only white people would get elected because no one would care about race.
BTW, I’m glad the rest of you compassionate conservatives just hold mommy and daddy’s hand when they suck up Medicare benefits. Way to put your mouth where your money is.
Darleen,
Something like this?
Lamb cannon doesn’t have its own blog, does it?
that’s a willful misread Mr. Charles
let’s talk about Cloward-Piven strategies to bring this rat-fucked dirty socialist little country to its knees, shall we?
What is it Charles, that makes you think we take to slander? Is it something you ate?
Uh, Charles, when people in my family have medical expenses, I pay for it.
I’m sorry that you aren’t successful enough to take care of your dad but it seems odd that you’d scold him for that.
The truth is that CO2 levels have risen since 1960 (and I don’t care), but you’re too stoooopid to goooogle it.
Um, folks?
Obsessively watching the disaster unfold is not going to make it feel any better.
What more could we expect from a President whose political career was launched from the living room of a known bomber and terrorist?
Have you really not figured out this bill is going to cut Medicare all to hell? I knew you were dense, but Jesus…
Well tell a joke then mojo.
Charles, CO2 is known as ‘plant food’ in my circles. If you really care, plant a few more trees and live plants on your grounds.
I call it “air” myself.
I just love how color-blind Jeff points out that the president is black every other time he opens his yap.
Damn but you are a might thick … and I’m being generous. Cuz mostly I think you’re a race-baiting, mendoucheous twatwaffle with oedipal wetdreams.
I’m against this bill, but not because it would cut Medicare.
Chuckles is cool with a bureaucrat calculating the value of his father’s usefulness. I’m sure that the iPhone has an app for that!
Darleen = JD???
that’s a most insane equation really… sort of like spending = prosperity
when they suck up Medicare benefits. Way to put your mouth where your money is
oh fuck, the return of the “chickenhawk” meme.
Charles, my 81 year old father could pin you to the ground and have you crying like a whipped puppy in ten seconds. You’re a coward.
Charles — did you know that you exhale CO2? OMG ur killin’ teh earth!!!11!!! Kill yourself now for Gaia.
Why do you write if you can’t read?
I’m against this bill
yeah sure that’s the ticket, Oedipius.
The real truth, though, is no one here is denying that. So you’re arguing with no one.
It doesn’t seem to stop you!
Speaking of can’t read Charles, do you need a translation for Get lost? Here you go then: Get lost.
LOL. I guy in the house just cited section “one thousand one” of the bill…
Chuckles is cool with a bureaucrat calculating the value of his father’s usefulness. I’m sure that the iPhone has an app for that!
yep, Dr. Zeke Emanuel is probably overseeing the final coding right now at the White House.
Horsepucky. A bunch of people here argue with that. dicentra for ones. Methinks your colleagues aren’t as fact absorbing as I think you think they are.
Heh. Call me “Casandra.” …although I look really funny in a toga…
Many of the regulars here lambasted me for saying pretty much what Jeff said in this piece.
I was ‘a nut and a conspiracy theorist’ you said. ‘It just can’t happen in America,’ you said. ‘We’re not blind to what’s really going on,’ you said.
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your stay.
You’ll have to translate this because I don’t read moron.
Who uses the most healthcare? The elderly. How are many elderly covered? Medicare. ObamaCare is cutting $500 B from Medicare. Do the math, RD. I call ‘Death Panels’.
that there is good advice. you should consider taking it.
Charles is a liar. That has already been established.
I bet his dad story is a lie too.
CO2 is like the cholesterol of the earth I think. Except different. But still. We should tax something.
We gotta help AL Gore, that climate scientist of some renown, become the first Carbon billionaire.
co2 is like the alar scare
cite?
When all Charles’ posts here disappear at once, you’ll know why.
By the way, in case you haven’t noticed, Obama is black. That’s very symbolic of something wonderful.
That he’s a socialist? Meh. We can let that slide. Because of what that symbolism says about us. We’re historic!
Because if you think Medicare is a travesty (anyone here disagree with that???), and you point that out to someone who actually consumes Medicare, that’s just unimaginable?
And I’m the so-called coward.
596.Comment by Charles on 3/21 @ 6:25 pm #
Because the TRVTH is always somewhere in the middle, right Charles?
The truth is that CO2 levels have risen since 1960 (and I don’t care), but you’re too stoooopid to goooogle it.
The truth is people aren’t causing it.
I bet his dad story is a lie too.
Oh, I think he said it to his dad … just dad still hadn’t come out of anesthesia yet.
I’m the
so-calledcowardYep. I’d say even floating a story of bullying your father just out of surgery is indicative of one pretty pondscummy coward.
Craven-blog-owner-who-can-make-dissenting-opinions-go-away-with-the-push-of-a-delete-button?
I’m just thinking out loud here, but I don’t know exactly what else it could be. It’s a very China Daily response.
I, for one, welcome our new sweet-and-sour overlords.
Charles’ predominant affectation is that he’s quite successful and would tell others to be more productive if they want better healthcare.
Then he tells a story where his father is getting a triple bypass paid for by Medicare and his union plan. You’d think he’d have maybe made sure his dad had better coverage. Bought some supplemental at least.
Bullshit from a bullshitter.
sweet and sour sounds tasty… I wonder if all the dirty socialists will eat in tonight? I might venture takeout
Rusty, you have to exhale at some point. Chuckie wants to determine who should continue respirating. His father just doesn’t happen to be on the right side of the ledger.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 3/21 @ 6:23 pm
LOVE it!!
No, contrary to Darleen Charles, I don’t think you a coward. A moron? A slanderer? A poor reader? An idiot who can’t take a hint to Get lost, but who is proud to trample on someone else’s property? A persistent distraction? An empty attention seeker? All of that, but I don’t see grounds for a charge of cowardice.
One of the Democrats in my Cspan tab said ‘health care disparities will be equalized’ (or something along that line). What that means, using the standard Democrat ‘equalization’ methodology, is that the bar will be lowered for everyone. I suppose, like public schools – education, public health care is doomed to be dumbed down, to an socially equal level of mediocrity.
There’s a reason I’m drinking Tsing Tao today. I don’t know what else would be more fitting. Well, except the Chinese are busy building power plants and not futzing with health care reform. Maybe this will be repealed in the upcoming merger.
I want to determine who should continue respirating too. So glad we almost made it so sad they had to fade it.
Oedipus Charles
JeffG has no problem with dissenting opinions
when you actually offer one instead of a bag of flaming canine excrement, let us know.
power plants and bullet trains and skyscrapers and hamburger stands
Charles: I’m going to translate Jeff’s utterance correctly because obviously you’re too thick to do it yourself, and because you need a little more insight into the scope of your ignorance. Because it’s vast. So vast that you accuse your intellectual superiors of stupidity.
A loss is a loss. But at least we elected a Black president. Which is far more important.
Jeff is mocking those who voted for Obama because of the optics of having a black president but who paid no heed at all to the fact that he is a radical leftist. He’s mocking them for valuing style over substance.
You also need to know that Jeff is employing heteroglossia here. He’s not speaking in his own voice but in the voice of the very people he is mocking. The only way to detect this type of subtlety is to know where Jeff actually stands on the issues.
Because of what it says.
“What it says,” if you vote for Obama, is that you’re not a racist. Automatically. Just as being a martyr for Allah gets you a free ticket into paradise, voting for Obama proves to all and sundry that you’re not a racist. By the same token, NOT voting for Obama proves that you ARE a racist.
Some people think that way, Charles. Do they deserve mockery or not?
Lord knows it’s been great no longer having to hear whites called racist.
Here Jeff is referring to the fact that cries of RACISM have increased since Obama’s election. From people like you, for example. Showing how WRONG the people were who thought that by putting a black man in the white house, we could get all this racism stuff behind us.
Well worth a little soft socialism.
Again, more mockery of the inversion of people’s priorities — willing to sacrifice the country’s foundations for a little window dressing and an easing of white Guilt.
Guess what, Charles. Everyone on this blog except you understood what Jeff was saying. Every. Single. One.
Embrace your ignorance. It will make you wise.
the bar will be lowered for everyone
Leftists are not interested in prosperity, they are interested in fairness. They would rather everyone be poorer and unhealthy then to allow the “lucky ones” to be even a little ahead.
Oh…exception for the “rulers” cuz they have to work SO hard.
564.Comment by Charles on 3/21 @ 6:04 pm #
A loss is a loss. But at least we elected a Black president.
Translation: This bill is terrible, but it’s nothing compared to the fact that we elected a black president.
Get over it Jeff.
Funny you should get that out of what he said. Says more about your racism than Jeffs.
You forgot tiger’s paws and rhino horns, hf! Viagra is for fags!
Cialis!
Don’t you need a tub for Cialis?
I hope not.
Nice! a term I hadn’t seen yet. PW University, at work to the bitter end.
Charles is referring to the article I linked that cast serious doubt on the assertion that CO2 levels have risen at all. They authors asserted that any CO2 increase in the atmosphere has been reabsorbed into the biosphere.
Then why are there bath tubs in the commercial?
That makes me too stooopid to Google, I guess. Because when you Google something, you always learn the truth.
Here’s why CO2 levels and their fluctuations don’t matter. So shut up about it already Charles.
Wikipedia is truth!
i never see commercials… I will youtube
Translation: If we can get back to electing white people, racism claims will go down again.
dicentra, i got what Jeff meant. We’ve been through it before. Jeff thinks Obama got elected mainly because he’s black. I think Obama got elected because the electorate was getting worried about their ability to buy a Krispy Kreme and so would vote for whatever team was opposite of the “R” team.
Polar bears are drowning, dammit! Alright, maybe just a little waterlogged.
Wait. What’s happening right now? Where are they in the schedule.
I just checked TweetDeck and I saw this exchange:
oh. it’s all bald geezers with hoochies what could do way better
awk
ward
dicentra, i got what Jeff meant.
No, you didn’t or you wouldn’t have “translated” his remarks incorrectly — twice now.
You’re worse than a coward, you’re an equivocator.
paul ryan talking right now
http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx
Jeff thinks Obama got elected mainly because he’s black.
I’m sure if Jeff thought it was worth his time to explain his actual beliefs to you, they’d be far more subtle than that.
Jeff is making fun of those people who voted style over substance, especially the “sensible class” of ostensible conservatives.
You’re losing ground, Charles. Every time you post a new comment, you reinforce the thesis that you’re nowhere near as clever as you think you are and that you talk out of both sides of your mouth to provide cover for when you’re proved wrong.
Ryan I’ll listen to.
I can also make non-dissenting opinions go away. At a whim. Because this is my place.
Go talk to your Dad. He’ll teach you to rely on your sense of entitlement. I hear he just received some tough love referring to same.
Put your money where your mouth is, Charles.
Chuckette fancies herself a provocatuer.
oh crap, I think I just have fallen MORE in love with Ryan…
I think I’ll let Jeff speak for himself. It’s not fair to Jeff to treat you as though you can speak for him.
Huh?
Someone better have that up on YouTube soon…. Ryan hit every point we’ve discussed here for days.
Barry can’t hold that man’s socks.
The meteorite that killed off the dinosaurs was historic too. As was the eruption of Santorini.
Not necessarily a good thing, yannow?
Ok, Ryan rocks. Now he’s done and I have to turn of the “debate.”
Craven-blog-owner, don’t you think Charles thinks he understands you to be a race obsessed racist, and mocks you thus? I do.
I think I’ll let Jeff speak for himself. It’s not fair to Jeff to treat you as though you can speak for him.
You quote ME, then say that you’ll let Jeff speak for himself?
I’m sure if Jeff thought it was worth his time to explain his actual beliefs to you, they’d be far more subtle than that.
You’re right, I was totally taking the words out of his mouth. Jeff must be really steamed.
Santorini’s gorgeous, although the car ride up the cliff-face of the crater is a bit hair raising. Still, I love what the eruption did to the place.
“If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.”
— The Dosadi Experiment [Frank Herbert]
Then why do you keep doing those juvenile fucking “translations”?
Thik as a fucking brick.
Jeff, do you think Obama got elected because he’s black?
Still, I love what the eruption did to the place.
You’re a first-class putz, Charles. I’m sure you’ll love what Euro-socialism does to our little nation, too.
Day by Day
Charles is a cucking funt.
I think Obama got the Democratic Nomination because he’s black.
I think Obama won the Presidency because McCain decided that “Losing with Honor” was, somehow, a good thing.
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Likely so. In the old days, I’d do a careful parsing of what I wrote (as dicentra did) to edify the sanctimonious prick.
But I’m well beyond that urge nowadays. I’d rather just show him the door. Life is too short to be put on the defensive by people that, in real life, I wouldn’t give a second thought to.
But the eruption released that awful CO2. You really need to work on that consistency thingie.
“Mostly made possible by the Fail Express that was the Bush administration.”
Also; lying, bribing, and constitutional malfeasance.
And vice versa, tool.
There’s the “shared abundance” coming at ya.
We should start a movement demanding that all members of Congress and the President get the same health care “choices” as the rest of us.
If I’m not mistaken, someone in the GOP House delegation suggested that very thing yesterday.
My google-fu is rather weak, so I’m not sure where to even begin looking for it.
This has been asked and answered, I believe by Obama himself.
Cause he said they don’t need to be on the “same plan” because the plans ARE VIRTUALLY THE SAME. Virtually. Practically. But not.
I think CO2 is rising. I don’t think it’s a problem. I don’t know how much more fucking consistent I can be on that.
You should work on that literacy thing. Then you wouldn’t be so confused.
Lookie here, Charles. I DID read Jeff correctly, as did everyone else here but you.
Most of us have been here long enough to know Jeff’s beliefs about these kind of things. You have not.
Embrace the scope of your ignorance; it will make you wise.
Is bad healthcare a right, Charles?
@jtLOL I just got Bart #Stupak to give me two $10s for a $5.
Embrace the scope of your ignorance
Pretty tall order there, dicentra
Clyburn’s up. Crowing about the lack of any copays. It’s all free money, don’tcha know? Imaginary money; manna from China.
Support for that sell-out Stupak is already skyrocketing.
Charles, do you think Obama’s color had anything to do with his getting the Democrat nomination, or winning the Presidential election?
VIRTUALLY THE SAME
Which nowadays means they’re the same in a virtual world, not in the real one.
RTO Trainer
heh! reminds me of the scene in the Quiet Man were Danaher sez to Thorton he tried to take “liberties with my sister at the back of the church” Thorton say “I just said Good morning” Danaher says “But it was good night that you had on your mind.”
Thorton just says matter-of-factly “That’s a lie”
That’s what we have do to over and over again to the fuckers who dance around on tiptoe peeing down their leg and shaking a finger saying “RAAACIST! HOMOPHOBE! CUMSLUT!”
“That’s a lie.”
Chuckles does not respond well when his abject mendacity is pointed out. Racists.
Support for that sell-out Stupak is already skyrocketing.
??
argh
Thorton = Thornton
The answer is…government!
Check Insty, Darleen. I can’t link from this thing.
It’s a beautiful thing.
Duh. Support for that sell-out Stupak’s opponent, I mean.
Charles, Jeff may toy with you for awhile, but you won’t get his goat, nor will you come out happier for having done so. My advice is to cut your losses and go hang out somewhere they will love the subtlety of your thought processes. I hear that Free Republic loves to play with nuance.
Embrace your ignorance; it will make you wise.
Apparently not.
Jeff, not to put you on the defensive by asking a question that you’ve clearly answered in the past, but do you believe that Obama got elected because he’s black?
I might have to repost one of my OUTLAW! rants.
Because I think they were fairly prescient.
Don’t worry, Charles. We’re not laughing with you. We’re laughing at you.
Hard.
Comment by JD on 3/21 @ 7:30 pm #
Chuckles does not respond well when his abject mendacity is pointed out. Racists.
No, that’s just his Ritalin kicking in … or the meth wearing out. One of the two.
Charles, do you think Obama’s color had anything to do with his getting the Democrat nomination, or winning the Presidential election?
Jeff, do you think Obama got elected because he’s black?
Charles, do you think Barack Obama would have been nominated by the Democratic Party, and beaten Hillary Clinton, if he was not black?
But that was just a means to power. I do not have a problem with Obama’s race by his ideology. Make no mistake, the only reason Bill Clinton was a so called “moderate” was because Newt Gingrich and a Republican controlled congress forced him to triangulate and temper his liberal tendencies. Hillary Clinton was always more liberal than her husband and would have certainly tried to do what Barack Obama is doing now. I’m not absolutely sure she would be as effective or not, but I will assume she would have been about the same.
Insty link about Stupak’s opponent.
Benishek.
We WILL remember in November!
It rhymes, see.
My biggest concern with Barack Obama is his close ties to people who are truly dangerous and who hate the United States. That worries me. A lot.
not by, “but his ideology.”
his close ties to people who are truly dangerous and who hate the United States
Close ties hell, he’s one of them.
Charles is too smart by three sixteenths.
Tennessee Rep speaking of the woes of TennCare; the greatest debacle this State ever suffered. It failed. So will ObamaCare.
What the fuck does that even mean? Honest to God, Chuck, I am actually starting to feel a little embarassed for you.
Charles is too smart by three sixteenths.
Yeah, maybe I’m the one who should embrace the scope of my ignorance. Apparently, Charles is one of those gifted individuals who can see racism where others cannot.
It makes him superior to us, see. I don’t know how I could have been so blind.
Ick. Every time I switch on the C-SPAN feed, I get a democrat sob story or more lies about how the bill leverages what’s good about private insurance.
Because the Dems, they’re all FOR private insurance companies.
the square root of -1 is this so called chucks iq
Are we 15 minutes away from a vote, or am I totally lost?
Support for that sell-out Stupak’s opponent, I mean
That’s why I was confuzzled, JHo. I already went to Benisheks facebook page and signed up.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=share&gid=287806148754#!/group.php?v=wall&ref=share&gid=287806148754
are the demorats still waving that 45,000 people died sign?
Mr. Drudge has this about what that motherfucker has done on our little country.
Insurance companies make 2% profit. The Democrat liars are promising the moon. The books are going to be hard for even Charles to balance.
Charles can divide by zero, see. And measure both the velocity and position of a subatomic particle.
He’s awesome that way.
Anything? Anything at all?
A key reason that Obama beat Hillary in the primary was because Obama was lucky enough to not be in Congress when they (basically) voted to go to war in Iraq. Hillary voted yes, and got beat over the head with it during the campaign. I don’t think Obama’s blackness trumped Hillary’s womanness for the identity voters.
In the general, Obama beat McCain because (let’s face it) McCain ran a terrible campaign in the headwind of being a Republican at an unpopular time.
Now that I’ve answered, will you have the balls to answer with anything other than a question?
Hey, if Maureen Dowd can hear “boy”, Chuckles can hear [fill in the racist remark].
“Have you really not figured out this bill is going to cut Medicare all to hell? I knew you were dense, but Jesus…”
Don’t worry. The GOP will step up and save medicare!
I don’t think Obama’s blackness trumped Hillary’s womanness for the identity voters.
You weren’t paying attention.
McCain never had any business thinking of himself as a president.
Charles, kindly compare the respective percentages of whites and blacks that voted for Obama.
dicentra @722
Because the Dems, they’re all FOR private insurance companies.
Well, yeah, since they’re about to make it illegal to not have insurance, you gotta figure that insurance companies are going to make out, at least for a little bit.
oh, boring troll kdash arrives.
They haven’t mentioned how this will save puppies… yet.
Charles, Obama missing the Iraq War vote helped him. So did his ethnic back ground. Hillary played up being a woman and that did help her for a while, till the tipping point came. Perhaps the Iraq War pushed the momentum to him and put him over the top. Hillary also did not run as good a primary campaign as Barack did.
And when Barack Obama got elected, he adopted pretty much the same policies on Iraq as George Bush had. Unfortunately on spending he took the worse of GWB and multiplied it by about 10.
Now that I’ve answered, will you have the balls to answer with anything other than a question?
You’ve got him now, boy oh boy, do you got him. Jeff now has no other choice but to admit that he is a craven RACIST, which he showed so clearly in that stuff you interpreted.
The Democrats have been the majority congressional power for decades. For decades all major federal programs have been bankrupt and dysfunctional. I’m thinking the Republicans should let the son of a bitch die a needed death.
I vote die.
What REALLY helped Barack was that lots of Hillary’s “machine” crossed over and voted Barack.
But what you’ve got to answer is whether there ARE people out there who felt that voting for Barack would show that they aren’t as racist as they’re afraid they are. Whether they’re in the majority, or whether they put Obama over the top is irrelevant to Jeff’s point.
Which you completely missed, and now you’re obsessing over details like the equivocator that you are.
semanticleo couldn’t make it to blame Ronald Reagan, so kdash is the substitute troll to disparage teh evul generic rethuglicans what hates poor peoples of color and teh gheys.
“No response to hypotheticals.”
You know what is truly sad? The Democrats will probably still campaign on the Republicans cutting Medicare and most of their base will be stupid enough to believe it.
How craven is this august body.
#741 RD:
Better a Tea Party than a Kool-Ade Party. We’re crushing my small children’s futures tonight.
Mister Speaker, this bread and circus humbles me in this here historic, 100 year change brought about by FDR.
This is sick.
“No response to hypotheticals.”
Hypothetical non-racistperson of indeterminate melanin content: “Here, boy! C’mon, boy! (whistles) That’s a good boy!”
Hypothetical unseen person of somewhat more melanin content: “Fuckin’ racist cracker”
Hypothetical dog: “Arf!”
Actual Charles: “JeffG is a racist hater of blacks and lezbos. QED! See my witty signature line?”
Imagine Barry O’brien from the Gold Coast sets up shop in Iowa in January, 2008. He’s got the same *ahem” resume *ahem* as Obama had. What percentage of the vote does he get? Think it’s safe to assume he finishes behind Biden and Dodd? That is to say, the white guy doesn’t have a chance? Heck, let’s point out Edwards, Dodd, and Biden who all had better resumes than Obama. Face it, in the balkanized Dem party, as soon as Obama became a viable candidate, there was no way they couldn’t run him without risking a core constituency sitting out the election. Bros before hoes and all that.
Rumor from Twitter: Claim from Hannity Show: Stupak’s Airport kickback: $700,000 in funding for his district airports on Friday.
McCain never had any business thinking of himself as a president.
Oh bullshit. Is he Reagan? No, but this horseshit that’s about to pass would have no chance. You really think we would have had a $1T “stimulus” with McCain? The rest of the BS they’re thinking of? Again, bullshit.
You’re starting to piss me off HF.
And here we go with the impassioned appeal to fairness. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of fairness.
Did I mention that I got a Rasmussen poll phone call this afternoon?
I did. I was very NO about Obamacare and such things.
Find me those people. Seriously. Find me the people who said, “All my friends think I’m a racist, and I’m going to vote (on my secret ballot) for Obama to prove to them that I’m not and then tell my friends so they’ll believe in me.”
Sure, some voters voted for him because he was black (although not to be unlabeled a racist), some people voted against him because he’s black (right?). What’s the net of that? Being black hurt him, but not enough to lose.
Whether they’re in the majority, or whether they put Obama over the top is irrelevant to Jeff’s point. Which you completely missed, and now you’re obsessing over details like the equivocator that you are
No, actually, it’s the question. It’s not a detail. Did he win because he’s black? That’s a much more important question than your ridiculous one.
Stupak’s Airport kickback: $700,000 in funding for his district airports on Friday
What.a.surprise.
McCain was the Dole of his era.
Duke:
McCain would not have proposed all this stupid legislation. He just would have been a seat-warmer, maintaining the status quo (which in this case means gradual expansion of gubmint bureaucracies) until Barack ran again in 2012 and beat him like a bongo drum.
We were going to get to this point sooner or later. With Barry, it’s sooner, and because he tried to boil the frog all at once, the TEA parties found their voice.
McCain would’ve lost by five more points if he hadn’t selected Sarah Palin as VP. I for one would’ve not voted.
Abortion! drink!
Boehner’s lighting into the Dems.
Would Obama have been named Editor of the Harvard Law Review if he weren’t black?
Would he have been given a book deal while he was still in college?
Would he have been asked to give the Keynote Address at the 2004 Democrat Convention while he was still a fucking State Senator?
Give ’em hell, Boehner.
This is the people’s House, says he. Not lately.
“The process here is broken. The Institution is broken.” Most truthful line spoken tonight.
#757 Charles:
Many of us would have given serious consideration to Colin Powell, had he sought the nomination in ’92 or ’96. The country has been ready for a black President for a long time. What many of us weren’t ready for was MechaJimmyCarter.
The blood pressure is rising, I’m going to bed. Night pw. Thanks for the fun.
Find me the people who said, “All my friends think I’m a racist, and I’m going to vote (on my secret ballot) for Obama to prove to them that I’m not and then tell my friends so they’ll believe in me.”
You interpreted Jeff’s meaning incorrectly, Charles. He’s making fun of alleged conservatives such as David Brooks of the NYT and Christopher Buckley and Peggy Noonan who were dazzled by the optics and who were, yes, pleased to vote for a black man in the historic election.
And he’s making fun of people on the starboard side of the blogosphere who neglected to see Obama as the leftist that he is (and always was) and who viscously attacked those who called bullsplat from the very beginning.
It comes from a years-long conflict around here, Charles, which YOU WERE NOT AROUND TO WITNESS. And even if you did, you’d have sided with them against Jeff because you are even more witless than they.
As evidenced by your assertion that Jeff thinks that it’s better for white people to be elected than black so that there won’t be any more racial tension.
Only a fool and a moron would read that into what Jeff said.
QED.
I’d like this guy a lot, if he hadn’t thought building sand castles in some piss ant country in the middle-east was such a great idea. And if he Boehner hadn’t had such a boner for TARP.
One way for the people to be heard.
RE: Boehner. Standing O from me, too.
Oh, crap. Pelosi is up. Is this the vote?
I see Chuckles is still trying to prove how big of an asshole he is. We get it, Chuckles. You need not prove anything to us racists.
bring it on. the more divisive the better.
Pelosi just claimed healthcare is a right of our Founders.
Liar.
She’s invoking the vows of our founders.
When was the last time this degree of sophistry echoed through those halls?
Oh. Yesterday. Never mind.
I’m turning off the feed again. I can’t listen to this.
Exactly. And should that have happened, I wouldn’t be running around questioning your motives and claiming that “You’re only supporting him to prove your not a racist and you love the idea of electing a black man.”
BTW, the Republic’s about to die, if anyone’s watching.
Value system.
Empty.
I believe the America people answered that question already. First, secure the borders. That hasn’t been accomplished yet! Next!!!
See how Charles is pretending he was on our side all along? After accusing Jeff of racism?
Isn’t that cute? Isn’t it exactly what I predicted?
Begone, Peter Pettigrew!
Darn the luck, there doesn’t seem to be a grand, 19th century oil canvas of Horatius At The Gate on the web, that I can find….
Now I do think Pelosi got elected because she’s a woman. I can’t think of any other thing this retard has going for her.
“John Boehner simply shrivel up and die if he spent an entire month without convenient access to a tanning booth?”
i hear sanfrannan has her own botox production line
Barry’s dream woman, Nancy Pelosi.
#783:
But the borders can’t be defended. Don’t you remember that vote they let us participate in, where we all decided that we can’t defend the borders?
discrinimigate?
Now, fire up those little nuerons of yours- never mind the smell, that is just the dust burning off- and see if you can figure why we would view Colin Powell very much differently than Barack Obama.
I’ll be over looking at LOLcats. brb
Charles, did you call Jeff G. and the rest of the wing nuts racist? Good boy. Time to come home now. It is getting late.
I’d like this guy a lot if he didn’t equate the liberation of millions, and the blood sweat and tears of my commrades, with playing childrens’ games.
Well. No. I still wouldn’t like him at all.
Marg Bar Diktator
Boehner did give a much better speech. I don’t even know what the hell she’s saying.
@MichelleMalkin: “Unreal: Pelosi talking about how Demcare will unleash “entrepreneurial spirit”…while med professionals get ready to bolt…”
“After we pass this bill, being a women will no longer be a pre-existing condition! giggle-giggle-giggle.”
Powell was qualified. If Obama was white, all else being the same, he wouldn’t have been elected president. He wouldn’t have beat Hillary in the primaries. You disagree Charles?
Ted Kennedy’s name invoked. Uggggh. This giggling person is very annoying.
You’ve got nothing on Pelosi, Charles. So you still have something to shoot for. Kdash too.
Here’s Shelby Steele:
He probably just wants us to elect more white people.
The Uncle Tom.
You say you’ve answered the question, Charles, but you haven’t. Or rather, you tried a dodge, and then later admitted that his color had something to do with his ascension, but not in any way whereby anyone voted for him because of his race. Except maybe blacks. Whose motivations were not racialist.
In other words, you have asserted that people voted against him because he is black, but that no one voted for him for similar racially motivated reasons. All race-consciousness, by your lights, is the “bad” kind.
You’re either stupid or naive. And frankly, I don’t care which.
McCain would not have proposed all this stupid legislation. He just would have been a seat-warmer, maintaining the status quo (which in this case means gradual expansion of gubmint bureaucracies) until Barack ran again in 2012 and beat him like a bongo drum.
If you’re point is that we would have arrived at this point sooner or later, I yield it to you. We would not, however, be on this precipice.
I want to demand to know what these Congress critters, who love to tell the tear-jerking stories about their constiuents, did to help *any* of those people.
The simple fact is that while it may not always be easy, there is an answer for every one of them in the system as it exists today. How many of these people just helped their uninsured diabetic children and elderly cardiac patient constituents to the extent that they took good notes on their victimhood so they could be anecdotes and nothing more?
Cause, you know, if you actually help them, that’s not such a good story anymore.
Yep, May 1, 2006—Day without immigrants. Any establishment that closed that day I no longer patronized. I voted with my $’s.
are they singing this yet
I think he probably would have. Hillary had very high negatives. She voted to go into Iraq.
The one way that being black helped Obama is because Hillary and Bill made sure they pointed it out all the time and alienated the liberals (I pointed at the TV and laughed out loud when Bill said, “He’s just like Jesse Jackson.”)
Hillary also decided to stump on experience, which wasn’t smart. Bush had experience and everyone hated him. It was a change election. She also orbited into Yugoslavia under heavy enemy fire. I could go on.
Front-runner’s paradox. You’ll also recall that McCain was, in no way, the favorite when the primary season started.
Here comes the first of the three votes.
The Nay votes will exemplify bipartisanship. The others, dirty socialists all.
It hasn’t been for a very long time, dear.
I’m pretty sure I’ve written pretty extensively on race here, whether it was in my debates with Steve Sailer or Aaron Hawkins or the academic “social construction” theorists.
Those essays are in the archives.
Rather than pretending you know my views on race, Charles, how about you go do some reading? Time taken away from your sanctimony, true; but at least when you get back you may not sound like such an ignorant douche.
What’s the proper drink to have in hand while watching the end of our political system?
I feel unprepared.
The giggling and sneering is quite remarkable.
Madison’s great Federalist 51 never contemplates an ideological minority tyrannizing an electoral majority: for how could he, it being so unlikely an eventuality that I cannot think of another instance over the whole history of our nation? Is there some like I overlook?
Tsing Tao
A hostage martini, bh.
I drank extensively two nights ago. I’m on a non-drinking binge for awhile now.
I’m watching CSPN trying to use my scanner powers but I can’t tell which ones the dirty socialists are.
Here goes nothing.
What’s the proper drink to have in hand while watching the end of our political system?
Cyanide laced with strychnine, if you want it over quickly.
A clue, ‘feets, they’ll all be (D)’s.
How about a mud slide?
Charles, chop chop young man. You still have to bruch your teeth.
What’s the proper drink to have in hand while watching the end of our political system?
Tequila
Are there degrees of ignorant doucheness?
HR 3590 just passed with 216.
Cue the applause, as they reach 216.
Christ
Me: Jeff, do you think Obama got elected because he’s black?
Jeff: Do you think being black had anything to do with anything?
Me: Yes. I think on net, it made it harder for him. Now your answer?
Jeff: Go read my essays.
Me: What? Yes or no? Did he get elected because he’s black?
Jeff: STFU. This is my blog. I can delete you. I can delete EVERYONE!!! Bwahahaha.
Me: Is that a yes? A no?
Jeff: How dare you question me? Go read my essays!
Me: Sweet Jezus! Yes? Or no? Did he get elected because he’s black? Said another way, if he were exactly the same, only fully white, would he have failed to win the presidency?
only two Republicans were two cowardly to vote?
SONOFABITCH! 218. That’s not good.
oh. I guess they sacked up.
Final count: 219/212
Charles, Jeff doesn’t have to answer to you or anyone else. Get over yourself.
So three over the bare minimum at 219D is final. And a solid bi-partisan NO with 34D-178R
Charles: I demand that you —
Me: Fuck you.
Reconciliation now up.
Is that “on net”, Jeff?
Now that it’s sure to pass, I bet more Dems vote yes.
Do you think we can’t read, Charles? I mean, we all just read the conversation in the thread and know what you both said, what the fuck is wrong with you, dude?
Recommit vote first, then reconciliation.
Jeff, I truly consider myself fucked. I think I’m going to have a lot of company.
BOHICA.
abortion is the most egregious defect?
you wish dickhead
Brave democrat? Rum & coke just came out my nose.
Abortion! Drink!
“Yes. I think on net, it made it harder for him. ”
You are so full of shit.
NOW they’re worried about the content of the resolution?
link
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
More Steele:
Yes. I think on net, it made it harder for him.
That’s because you buy the progressive lie that conservatives are, by definition, racists.
Mr. Obama always knew that his greatest appeal was not as a leader but as a cultural symbol.
Obama’s race is not taken as a cultural symbol by many, Charles? What planet do you live on?
Yeah, if he weren’t black he would already be Emperor of the Galactic Empire at least by now, I’d reckon.
Much angst about abortion at this legislatively late hour, decades after Roe. Good job, Republicans.
Meanwhile the roster of liars from the left side tonight is simply never depleted.
Never had a gun to my head but I’m sure it feels just like this.
Motion to recommit (whatever that means) is being voted on.
That’s why I’m seeing all these black faces stand at the microphone. Being black makes it so much easier to get elected.
#847 – Quite the catch-22 a blackman finds himself in. He’s either a non-militant bargainer, and an empty valueless person, or he is militant, and too scary.
219 votes, so they had some slack. Abortion funding became the wedge issue, which both surreal and ridiculous. So everybody get dragged to the the dining room and open wide for this spectacularly bad crap sandwich of a legislation. Make sure you chew it well because it won’t go down easy … but down it will go.
I have no hope that anything of substance will happen with the reconciliation bill in the Senate, Social Security rule or no. Nor do I have any allusions that this bill will not save any money nor will it reduce the deficit nor will it cost anywhere near as “little” as they say it will.
No. Allusions At. All.
“abortion is the most egregious defect? you wish dickhead”
I wish too!
The reason we have seatbelt laws is because they told us since the government has to send an ambulance, they have the right to see to our safety.
Now they have an interest in our safety in virtually every aspect of our lives.
We have traded our liberty for security. And I must say, I’m going to miss my liberty.
Well, on the bright side, maybe now Nancy will tell us what is in the bill.
How many comments do we need to break a record?
Fuck You 52, and Fuck You to all of you that stayed home because McCain wasn’t “perfect.”
Mr Steele put his thesis kindly. Somewhat more baldly, I think his thesis is fairly simple. Barack Obama has never grown up. He has chosen not to take a stance in his own skin. Pity.
so economically when does it all just collapse?
So, when’s the world going to end? Now that health reform has passed, I’m sure we’re all doomed. But I need an exact time so I can prepare my family. I would also like to urge all women to get abortions so they want have to see beloved children grow up in such a blighted world? Life just doesn’t seem worth living any more.
so economically when does it all just collapse?
Pretty soon, yo: 1-5 years was the last estimate. With the bill passed, they’ve just sped it up. What we need to watch for is if they planned it to fall apart and so have plans to take over by force in the chaos or if they really were stupid enough to think that the wealth redistribution would never end.
“Democrats destroy the finest health care system in the world 219-212.” Michael Leahy, tcot founder.
Aaand right on cue, Ric Caric shows up to gloat.
newrouter: When the Chinese decide to pop the painfully pustulent pimple that is our budget funding process.
Recommital defeated. Whatever that was.
Identifies with tyrants does he, that Ric Caric one?
Oh, crap! the pimple came back. i thought I popped that damn thing.
When no other country will buy our debt after an extended need to raise interest to get them sold … when states crumble under the unfunded mandates for Medicade. … when Medicare collapses on itself under the weight of over 38 Trillion in deficits … should I keep going, Caric or are you too busy doing the monkey dance for history regardless of the lack of means and the impending economic apocalypse?
Identifies with tyrants does he, that Ric Caric one?
They always do, sdferr. Nothing like having someone bigger than you wreak havoc on people you don’t like, making them do things they don’t want to do.
Maybe him and Charles can try to out dumbass one another.
2017 was the last time frame I’d heard for the bankruptcy of Medicare. That can be extended, but it makes Soc. Sec. die sooner (2024 per status quo). With this…all bets are off.
Hey Charles! Ask Ric that devilishly clever question about the CO2 of yours!
But Jenna in dubuque won’t have to borrow her sister’s dentures or something!
Policy by anecdote and misery pimpage wins again. Just tell sad stories and bankrupt a nation.
It’s easy! try it!
Yeah, I had to turn of the sound on CSPAN, too. People sure love to be deluded, don’t they?
I’m going to bed now and curl up in the fetal position in mourning for the passing of our exceptionalism as a nation.
Night, all!
And remember, all those predictions were based on revenue numbers that are now tragically optimistic. This thing could snowball really, really fast.
For clarity’s sake, I’ll repeat: Marg Bar Diktator
I wonder if any of the Congresscritters could be charged with manslaughter for any of their consitutents that died after tellign their sad stories? On a theory of depraved indifference.
Maybe I’ve just watched too much Law and Order.
so economically when does it all just collapse?
you might check out the Venezuela descent timeline
It depends on how fast the Democrat fascists eat the seed corn
I suspect Caric’s life hasn’t been much worth living for quite some time.
You say: “There are persons who have no money,” and you turn to the
law. But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk. Nor are
the lacteal veins of the law supplied with milk from a source outside
the society. Nothing can enter the public treasury for the benefit of
one citizen or one class unless other citizens and other classes have
been forced to send it in. If every person draws from the treasury the
amount that he has put in it, it is true that the law then plunders
nobody. But this procedure does nothing for the persons who have no
money. It does not promote equality of income. The law can be an
instrument of equalization only as it takes from some persons and gives
to other persons. When the law does this, it is an instrument of
plunder.
— Frederic Bastiat
perfesser daddy hate! How is dear old dad. Charles may have a few suggestions for Father’s Day. A monogrammed anti-respiration bag sounds rather nice, as well as, eco-friendly.
Remember this day when you, or your parents, or your children are dying for lack of first-world health care, if not because of this travesty of a law then certainly despite it.
“so economically when does it all just collapse?”
I think it may be possible to say that we can’t tell when exactly for precisely the same reason it should never have been done in the first place — this tampering is being done with vast and unknowable economic conditions.
Could someone remind me what Caric teaches again?
He teaches? O my god, that’s too bad.
I’m pretty sure that notion is beyond Caric’s capacity to reason, sdferr.
I would like to take a moment and thank all the 25 year olds who voted for Obama and are now forced to subsidize my healthcare.
Gan Bei!
Creative Victimhood 101
“So, when’s the world going to end”
Shortly after Iran gets the bomb most likely.
Could someone remind me what Caric teaches again?
Elitism and Sneering 101
Sophistry 201
Why You’re Superior to Middle America 320
Alternate terms: Seminar in Obfuscation 410 and Seminar in Hearing Racist Dogwhistles 415
a friend of mine called and she asked me what I thought and what could I say to make it better
and so I started telling her what I thought the deal was…
she stopped me and said… remember when I called you on 9/12 and you were so calm and reassuring and said how everything was gonna be ok?
You’re not like that now.
Could someone remind me what Caric teaches again?
He teaches bullshit, piled higher and deeper.
What notion bh? That people who identify with tyrants ought not have access to classrooms where they can infect young minds with falsehoods? Or the other one about the not knowings.
Feminist history.
And I am not making that up.
Demint proposes one line of legislation:
Feminist history.
I was right then.
Feminist history.
So he really does teach bullshit? Imagine that.
clock’s ticking… I wonder what the 3 holdouts are demanding?
Reconciliation bill just hit 216.
My gut was right. It was going to pass, and it did.
Caric has a mangina?
Obama high-fived Emanuel, according to C-Span.
Dennis Miller:If you look closely into Nancy Pelosi’s eyes you can see that rotating beach ball that appears when your Mac crashes…
Referring to the not knowing, sdferr.
Beyond your colorful answers, I find:
So I WAS right!
Morehead State University was my German Shephard’s safety school, btw. Small world.
Creative Victimhood encompasses all of that bullsh!t, no?
o my, that list makes it all appear even worse. so many politicals in there and him being in the tyrant camp and all. that’s not hopeful for the children in the moreheadstate, not at all.
Feminist Political Thought it’s called now, my bad. They seem to be allowing him to diversify some from a couple years ago when he first started showing up, he taught almost all feminist studies type stuff then, was trying to do a feminist interpretation of the New Testament I think. Some pretty hilarious stuff.
Is the “Airing of Grievances” chapter going to be on the midterm, perf?
I shouldn’t joke because my dog requires capitalization and creative spelling to accurately identify the breed but, technically, he doesn’t teach feminist political thought he teaches feminist politcal thought.
“was trying to do a feminist interpretation of the New Testament I think. ”
Careful, you’re going to upset sdferr…
Obama high fived Emanuel, then reached across and gave America a nice hard slap in the kisser. What a chum, that one. I’m all for him getting his wish to be a one-term President.
Fuck off Bascom.
I think Obama just donkey punched America.
That was nice that Mr. Hinderaker thought of us here.
Gee, I’m getting the idea you have a hard on for me sdferr.
Hard on? Ha!
I think that’s an absurd idea to have lee if you want to know.
Careful Chuckie, perf caric will make you read Mental Menstruation and the Virtual Tampon, or Spit vs. Swallow: A Women’s Book on Etiquette
I live in a socialist country.
no fascist moving toward socialism
feets, you already live in California. It isn’t that much of a change, is it?
Too street? OK, I’m getting the idea you have a problem with me and enjoy giving me a hard time.
It’s cool, but don’t give it if you can’t take it.
Major, momentous, but not radical?
I don’t think we can know how awful this is. We have no point of reference.
“It’s cool, but don’t give it if you can’t take it.”
Give it? Where? Pray tell, other than responding here directly to your provocation with a simple Fuck off Bascom?
I do not have a problem with you Mr. lee.
You’re okay in my book mister.
As for gloating, the Devil made me do it even though I’m an atheist. I have a suggestion. Why doesn’t everybody here set up a doomsday clock in a public place so everybody can see your predictions for the end of the world. Maybe Jeff could put them together into a kind of NCAA bracket–you know March 21, 2010 vs Jan. 14, 2012 and so on–to determine how the PW group is doing as a whole. Meanwhile, I won’t hold my breath.
I don’t have predictions I just said there’s no way we can know.
Ya, it’s not like we’re banning the use of salt in food served at restaurants!
I think you should concentrate on advancing your professional career as long as we’re giving advice, Ric.
Maybe the good Professor can explain to us ignorant rubes why State control over every aspect of our lives is a such good thing.
Today? comment #217. Yesterday, over my observation that evil doesn’t need a consensus to be. Other times I don’t care enough to look for.
It’s OK, really, I don’t need your approval.
But I return fire.
That was nice that Mr. Hinderaker thought of us here.
When was that?
Not even for Gaia. You’re a patriachal carbon dioxide spewing, oxygen thief.
oh. at #365 but bh thinks it maybe wasn’t him
Yeah, someone is posting as other bloggers occasionally and the comment was simply a paragraph from a post at Powerline.
Hinderaker does post some silver linings here, including this one, which is highly likely:
Back at you hf.
But we will go at it like red headed siblings again if you don’t shape up! ;-P
So we get the anal cavity itself without the finger that diddles around in it picking up the aroma it usually shares with us. Full aroma at last, the Big Stink.
Probably going to make 1000 again. Even with the smell.
Caricature is a boot-licking servant of those that would do things like they did tonight. Remember he was a Hillary guy, so he was a racist before he was a sexist. When grievance groups collide, hilarity ensues. Fat greasy-haired middle aged white dudes preaching about the racisms and sexisms from one of the most whitebred counties in the country. Maybe he could hang out with Willie the racist hilljack skinflute player.
Oh, I get it. I never read the whole thread.
It’s just so awful, lee.
Why doesn’t everybody here set up a doomsday clock in a public place so everybody can see your predictions for the end of the world
See, the thing is, Caric, we value different things than you do. So when something WE value disappears, you’re not likely to notice, or if you do, you’ll celebrate.
100 years ago, you’d have thought Mussolini was pretty happenin’ too, as was Uncle Joe, whom FDR believed to be “a good man.”
And like Joseph Davies, lying in comfort at the American embassy in Moscow, you would have interpreted the bumps and shrieks of people being hauled off in the dead of night as “construction” and believed the false testimonies at the show trials.
Let me just note that in addition to the Carics and the RDs and the rest of the useful idiots on the left, people like Charles are why we are here today.
His pretend affront at what are some pretty obvious observations about how race and symbolism, having been drummed into 40 years of voters, played a part in the ascension of Barack Obama, is exactly the kind of sanctimonious horse shit (all to buy a little cheap public grace) that stifles frank engagement and leads to the kind of anti-intellectualism that plagues the political class.
So don’t pretend you are on my side, Charles. You aren’t. And I know it. And it’s about fucking time we started pointing and saying so.
Well, you’ve taken at least one error on board, among other things Lee, as 217 was directed in jest at Joe’s comment to Jeff that he be our Muhammed.
As to the disagreement yesterday on your assertion on evil as absolute, none of that is intended, from my point of view anyhow, as a personal assault or anything of the kind; it is rather in the way of an exploration of ideas. If I do explore ideas I’m happy for you to join in with whatever opinions you care to issue. But you can be an ass too if you choose.
Nobody ran a government as smoothly as that Mussolini cat. Progress!
Echoes of Friedman’s China envy when you think about it.
Dale Franks:
Also being asked around the ‘sphere: Who is Dr. Galt?
Mr. Riehl says it’s the beginning of the beginning not the end of the beginning to where even if it feels like the end cause of all the socialisms it’s not – the for reals beginning is starting now cause of the people. People like you and me.
Echoes of Friedman’s China envy when you think about it.
It’s exactly the same thing. China is getting the trains to run on time. Obama marveled at their transportation construction and then passed that stupid bill about bullet trains.
If this thread doesn’t hit 1,000, I will punch an adorable kitten. You’ve been warned.
i am really sick and tired of having a government run by the student fucking council
Obama, Pelosi, and Reid represent liberal fascism to the fullest.
I’m punching a kitten if at least 24,000 people aren’t arrested overnight for criminal mischief and/or sedition.
Has anybody read in on the Senate Republican’s procedural gambit? I had heard they were being stonewalled by the House Parlimentarian, I think, but does that preclude their taking the same case to the Senate Parlimentarian? Or has that tactical approach been abandoned?
bh don’t hit teh kittehs!! I’ll write, I’ll write!
Hey, hey, let’s settle down here.
The FBI has notified me to watch out for the “Puppy Scammers” so now I have to worry about the “Kitty Punchers” too?
I thought that had to do with… getting the parliamentary dude to say early on there was a problem so house people wouldn’t risk a yes vote knowing the Senate bill couldn’t be amended…
now whatever happens we get the Senate bill whether it gets amended or not I think
I bet Queen Latifah thinks this whole health care dealio is good news.
Queen Latifah would be wrong.
Humm, my bad on the error @217 sdferr, looking back I see our time stamps are the same.
You gotta admit though, there are some interesting coincidences. Especially after your crack yesterday about my having an “access to this absolute power of judgment”. That was a pretty good leap from what I said, IMO.
And why were you so quick to tell me to fuck off, in light of your own jest?
It just seems you address me mainly to rip into me.
If this thread doesn’t hit 1,000, I will punch an adorable kitten. You’ve been warned.
I punched a kitteh at 500…slacker.
tension is running high because our little country just plummeted into a dirty socialist abyss and people are terrified I think lee
Suppose you are a Democrat and suppose you are a prostitute, but I repeat myself.
Well that’s just not true. What can I tell you? As to the question about a source of an absolute point of judgment, take it from me, that’s a dead serious question. If you don’t give two hoots about human cognition, how it that my problem?
We need a pep talk.
I heard this guy this morning on FOX saying when the bill goes to the Senate the R’s can do points of order, and force it back to the House. I don’t know enough about the procedures to really get it, but it sounded hopeful.
Me I’m terrified. I had a future in a free country all planned out for so many years. Like since I was little. And it was our one. Now I don’t know what.
There 36 AG’s around the country dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s on lawsuits to be filed tomorrow.
Somebody needs to take a trip to JOM and see what the lawyers are thinking. Not volunteering though.
There 36 AG’s around the country dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s on lawsuits to be filed tomorrow.
And Greg Abbott is one of them. God bless Texas!
“If you don’t give two hoots about human cognition, how it that my problem?”
See? that’s just what I’m talking about.
Never mind… sorry for my error you explained.
Heh.
Thesis: Meatballs is objective proof that Bill Murray once blew some serious money on coke.
LBascom
I’m not expecting anything. The GOP may try, but I see no reason Dingy Harry won’t dismiss it out of hand, established rules be damned.
*why*
I goes up there somewhere. I have too much to drink to care at this point.
I wish Christopher Makepeace would randomly reappear in a Tarantino movie.
Senate Bill passed. Reconciliation? Just words. Like the ’68 Chicago Convention street riots, a media distraction from the real action that took place elsewhere.
It just doesn’t matter!
JOM is a tomorrow afternoon thing… maybe.
“See? that’s just what I’m talking about.”
So, what you’re talking about is that you can’t tell a serious question from a personal attack, is that it? That doesn’t bode well then. Take it this way maybe. When you and I are discussing some aspect of thought or thinking, assume that I’m actually interested in how those human things or processes work; assume that hardly anything is more interesting to me, other than maybe pie or barbecue or something like that. Then maybe there’ll be less confusion about where I’m coming from.
Would anyone happen to have 300 million doses of Chaser handy? It’s looking like we’re gonna have an ugly morning in America.
If I had a kitten handy, I’d punch the furry little bastard on general principle.
I mean, they’re cute and all, if you’re into that sort of thing, but they’ve got that annoying habit of turning into cats at some point. Nasty creatures that would nationalize your healthcare and kill grandma just for the kicks… if they only had thumbs.
3/21 was an inside job!
When that letter from Moody’s shows up tomorrow, put it aside. You’re not gonna want to read that before at least Wednesday. Let’s just try and keep some water down and get some sleep.
Our Congress just passed legislation saying you HAVE to hold medical insurance, and that you HAVE to pay for the medical insurance of others.
Think about that.
They just passed a law saying that they are allowed to steal from you — and the power they have to pass that law comes from you. So essentially, they are saying that your vote for them told them that they were permitted to steal from you.
This happened here, in America.
Where are all those damn grief counselors?
We all got to watch Lady Liberty held down on a table at the front of the House, gang raped and then gutted like a carp. Grief counselors are always flocking whenever liberals feel even a twinge of sadness.
Where are they? They could at least send beer.
I will not stand for any physical meanness towards kittens or cats or puppies or dogs. Keep your anger focused where it belongs, on the congresscritters.
Indeed, Jeff. We spent much of the twentieth century fighting fascism and communism abroad just so it could be imposed at home.
Come on, Jeff, you know that the money to pay for all government programs magically appears. Or it’s all taken from the rich, who really deserve to have it taken from them.
Otherwise, it’s all free!!
Our Congress being a slightly bare majority of a single party unable to persuade one, not one member of the opposition party to join them and losing too a goodly number of their own members. This, against the manifest disagreement of a majority of the people of the country. I simply cannot recall its like having happened before.
I was watching the season premier of Breaking Bad and it popped into my head, hey, cooking and selling meth is an all cash business. I don’t think productive members of society are supposed to consider that the moral of the story.
These incentives are beyond perverse, they’re German porn.
[…] Comment by Jeff G. on 3/21 @ 11:09 pm source […]
premiere, above.
I was going to cry but then again, who would care?
People in the last few days, and by people I mean politicians, have been reaching for the Lincoln quotes. Even fucking Obama had the gall to reach for a Lincoln quote, though someone at NRO said the quote may be bogus — but there may be something to this grasp back to the Civil War. We disagree over a matter that has no resolution that I can see other than force. Either the progressives will force their world on us or we will force ours on them.
Bogus Lincoln quote, sure. Patrick Kennedy hauled out a bogus MLK quote.
here ‘feets……your musical treat for tonite!
looks like i right AGAIN.
lawl.
And the illiterate scribbler nishi arrives, right on schedule!
Hummm, maybe that’s where the tea party will go. Not a third party, but a militia.
who would care?
Our new, compassionate overlords, that’s who. Where have you been?
Glenn Beck retweeted this gem from HollandAC, obviously because he was persuaded by it:
“Pathological greed & lack of compassion for fellow humans are both pre-existing conditions. Luckily, help will soon be available.”
Which unleashed a torrent of abuse on her from his followers. Other bits of priceless wisdom from same: “Tonight’s vote is not a victory for any one party – it is a victory for the American people. Tonight, we answered the call of history.”
“Wasserman made me ruin my mascara. ‘for the mothers w/o health insurance who die inside everytime their children get sick.'”
“Notice the vitriol and nastiness from the republicans and the generous far reaching historical perspective of the dems.”
I expect that “vitriol and nastiness” means saying “shame on you for defying the will of the people,” whereas the it looks like the fluffy empty rhetoric really works on some people.
Whatta country!
Suck it, bitches.
Thousand
999?
One of the Republicans quoted Lincoln’s Second Inaugural early today, the “With malice toward none and charity toward all” phrase. It didn’t seem apropos at the time,other than as a gesture of reaching out, hoping for accord, though I can’t contextualize it beyond that at this point.
Geoffb nailed it! wOOt!
I don’t like talk of force, because it would be so damaging to our country, but we are certainly a lot closer to the point of no return tonight than we were yesterday. On the other hand, the issue of whether we really want to be a socialist nation does divide us, but instead of dividing us along state lines, it divides us between big-city dwellers and small town/country dwellers. I shudder to think what would happen under those circumstances if the force became physical rather than political.
Also, when the progressives start quoting Lincoln it makes my blood boil. You’d think their tongues would catch fire, or at least develop a visible fork in them.
I guess it isn’t the talk of force I don’t like, but the horrible realization of it.
It’s a fairly horrible realization that hitting 1,000 on this thread might be the last fun thing that happens this decade.
oh … those are europeans … just like us now… I mean we’re just like them now… it’s
dizzying, nishi
Look, there are all sorts of force: what the Democrats did today was to force on the country a law that most of the country wants no part of. So don’t take that bald statement as a call to arms. It isn’t. On the other hand, I don’t have any hope of persuading the progressives that they are wrong about the world we share, I have no illusion that they are going to abandon their century’s long crusade to dismantle our polity and rebuild it as they see fit.
Why? Abe was a Democrat don’t you know. It’s a well known fact in public school education.
I thought this was the last year of the decade. Not trying to start that old “when does the millennium begin argument. Plus I suspect plenty of fun left in this old year.
hehehe….pardon my gloat.
shall i look into my quantum crystal ball and let you all know what is going to happen with Obamnesty?
hahahahahahaha
welcome to Obamas House of Pwn.
11D chessmaster —–> 3
refuglican morans——-> 0
We’ll have plenty of fun this November when we run the Democrat bastards out.
I’m curious.
Right, the same brilliant chessmasters who lost Ted Kennedy’s seat in Massachusetts.
hahaha…Demint was right…..it IS Waterloo!
but sad-for-u…..Obama is Wellington.
heh
It’s actually more of a Pyhrric victory, like Bunker Hill or Guilford Courthouse.
“the same brilliant chessmasters who lost Ted Kennedy’s seat in Massachusetts.”
pawn sacrifice to checkmate.
hahahahaha
Dying’s a hell of a way to make a living.
Oh, you probably thought I meant by the Gregorian calender, Geoff. I go by an obscure Lithuanian calender better suited for planting and harvesting beets.
Paul Ryan at Darleen’s quote: “America is an idea.”
Ok, sure, says the progressive, just not the idea you have Mr Ryan.
Strangely enough, I suspect, but cannot prove, that the best line of argument that will be available to lovers of liberty will come from the sciences, as our knowledge of self-generating ordered systems become better understood. The apparent ties between economic systems and biological systems, cognitive systems and evolutionary systems seem, if somewhat dimly for now, to point toward deeply dispersed free movements of local actors operating on more or less simple rules. But who’s to say how that will go? Certainly not I.
on the other hand, thinking about the market of the stocks, tomorrow morning will be one in which a significantly greater amount of certainty pertains than investor people have had in many many moons I would think…
Reading nishi is a bit like watching Brazil towards the end of a serious absinthe bender.
Doesn’t make any sense but it certainly feels creepy.
Checkmate? I don’t think you have any idea what’s coming, honey.
Oh, haven’t you heard Jeff, Obarcky is going to pivot straight to Cap and Trade now that he’s got the totalitarian rudiments in place. What better than to grab hold of energy production and consumption in all its forms and uses? heh.
Playing fair and nice didn’t get us anywhere.
Time for a new strategy.
Hey, I know, maybe we should give that “politics of personal destruction” thing a try!
Not like we’re not constantly accused of it anyway. Might as well give it a shot. Dirty tricks, blackmail, exposing closeted skeletons. Could be fun.
With Pelosi in the Kathrine Helmond role.
For one thing, I think the 34 Democrats who voted no ought to be targeted severely. Think like a shark with blood in the water. They appear vulnerable, so help them out — of office.
It takes a lot to rouse the Jacksonians, but once you do that there may be hell to pay.
I was wondering what it is I’m supposed to be doing now, and maybe this event has defined what I need to do. I will ponder that a bit.
Doesn’t work well on those who have no sense of shame and whose followers don’t either. If you can drown a young intern or run an whorehouse out of your basement and still be re-elected over and over what the hell is needed. Even being caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl wouldn’t do it any more as long as your have the magic “D”.
I don’t have any idea what’s coming.
It can’t be good.
Are either of the Maine sisters running this year? Run a serious primary challenge. Same same with any other weak assed Republican senators on offer. Just ask, “Want more of what the Democrats just gave you? No?” Then let’s get rid of the weak sister incumbents in the liberty party’s ranks.
Wait ’til she figures out she’s funding health care for two-digits. Checkmate, bitches!
Darwin wept.
No on the Maine sisters. And FWIW, they behaved themselves on this one. Squashing anything with a D after its name is Job 1.
That’s a given, but any general sentiment against incumbents ought to be taken advantage of while the taking is good. I’d dearly love to see McCain gone, for instance, but unfortunately have little hope JDHayworth will carry the day.
We need a majority of Rs so we can set the agenda, even the weak-tea Rs, though I would really like to get rid of them as well. Lets leave the progressive politics to the Democrat party.
Okay, I think it’s time for me to wind down for the day. More Outlaw! tomorrow, though. Much more.
‘Cause if anyone were to vote for a black man, in spite of the fact that he’s black, it’s only ’cause of 40 years of social engineering.
When I was a kid, I remember a lot of adults saying nigger. Were they socially engineered, or do we just live in a nigger-normative world?
Which side would that be? The side that thinks America sucks more today? The side that hated all the Bush stimulus, bailouts, shotgun mergers, and the Obama continuation of said policies? The side that wants the feds to cut spending first, and then cut taxes? The side that really does believe that Medicare is a travesty, and this bill is travesty^2? The side that would like to see 2/3 (or 3/4) of my taxes going to my state, and 1/3 to the feds? The side that can’t figure out why everyone groans when Ron Paul says we should get rid of the department of education?
‘Cause hopefully that’s the side of freedom.
But I’m not on the side that says CO2 hasn’t risen. I’m not on the side of “scientists are always wrong”. I’m not on the side of, “well maybe Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate.” I’m not on the side of “he’s socialist, fascist, hitler.” I don’t even believe the 40 year power grab conspiracy because it’s such an echo of the retarded conjecture that Dems said when Bush was in office and supposedly wiping his ass with the constitution.
So I don’t know what side that puts me on, except for one thing. I’m on my side. I recommend you be on yours.
You should write for a cable show that has a steely eyed character what looks into the middle-distance and says things like, “So I don’t know what side that puts me on, except for one thing. I’m on my side. I recommend you be on yours.”
so, does anyone know if this thing requires doctors to accept insurance? It’s just I currently have a doctor that doesn’t… and it might be an interesting end run around some of this.
and OT for bh…. I came across a funny bit about Suicide is Painless didn’t realize the lyrics were written by Altman’s son because Altman wanted it to be “the stupidest song that was ever written” couldn’t do it himself told the composer “But all is not lost. I have this kid who is a total idiot. He’ll run through this things like a dose of salts.”
that’s according to Mitchell Zuckoff’s Robert Altman: The Oral Biography I came across it in the Winter 2010 Wilson Quarterly.
“Guess what, Charles. Everyone on this blog except you understood what Jeff was saying. Every. Single. One.”
Ditto Dicentra,
Although, your composition was a delight to read. If you could put your stuff to music I’d be doing a Snoopy dance;)
Hi, Danger.
“I don’t know if the President can be, rightly, included. National Security/competence and so on. Maybe limit the President only to military healthcare….”
RTO,
I’m fine with that as long as he is moved to the retired military/VA healthcare system when he leaves office. Of course that system will be the same one everyone else is under soon.
Oh, and I left your name off my recruiting list earlier (post #513), Please forgive the oversight.
Hey cranky,
New crudgel orders should be keeping your operators busy this morning;)
Our operators are very busy right now, Danger, and our craftsmen are working overtime to keep up with the demand. What’s bad for the country is good for my business.
littlegreenfeet.
Congress has been allowed to steal from us for a hundred years already, they just passed a bill allowing private corporations to steal from us.
That pinheads like Caric and Kate can’t see that would be funny if I weren’t so fucking pissed.
They just passed a law saying that they are allowed to steal from you — and the power they have to pass that law comes from you. So essentially, they are saying that your vote for them told them that they were permitted to steal from you.
This happened here, in America.
Well, to be honest, they know better than we do. Us dumb fucks out here. What do we know? Now all you bitches better get to work. Obama’s got some new federal employees to hire.
Morehead State University was my German Shephard’s safety school, btw. Small world.
Bahaa haa haaa….
skimming entire thread.
They just passed a law verifying that they have been allowed to steal from you for as long as progressivism has existed. FTFY. The left most fundamentally employs the legalization of theft so as to keep itself powerful.
A night of sleep does not make this better.
Comment by Charles on 3/22 @ 12:53 am
I see Oedipus is being as stubbornly nasty and duplicitous as usual.
When First Black President is in the offing? Maybe.
Lots of people dislocated shoulders, patting themselves on the back for that.
Seriously. What other qualifications do you think Obama had?
Did I say only? Did Shelby Steele say only? The only “only” belongs to you, Charles, who said that those who voted for Obama because he is black didn’t do so out of some kind of race consciousness. Whereas those who voted AGAINST him because he’s black did.
Is this supposed to be a serious question?
It would be, if it weren’t for the fact that you’re on it — and you would rather fluff your own ego than hold a position on principle. Anybody can be a joiner. You wear your conservatism like a Halloween costume.
The last thing we need are more phonies.
So? That’s not the issue. The question is, is mankind responsible for a pattern of warming that will potentially destroy the ecology.
Who is? If you’re going to drag out straw men, at least make them feasible. Science is “wrong” when the data is finessed, when its proponents rig the outcome, when it can’t be verified or repeated. That is, when it’s not fucking science — despite the fact that someone wants to call it that. Much like consistently insinuating that someone is a racist doesn’t make him one — or prevent the person offering the indictment from being one himself.
Why? I mean, it’s nothing I’ve written about, but if it turns out that Obama didn’t have standing to be President, I’d find that pretty fucking important, if for no other reason than the legal fallout would be fascinating to watch unfold.
Yes. Because handing over, what, close to 48% of the economy? to the government is fine; what’s indecorous is describing what’s demonstrably transpired in ways that may make Charlie appear to be a “reactionary.” And Charlie is far too sophisticated for such things. Just as Shelby Steele predicted of him.
Exactly. Your erroneous sense of sophistication forces you to disbelieve your own eyes and ears — lest they label you a “wingnut.” And that ain’t you. You are one of the “good” ones — and you bend over backwards trying to convince the imaginary open-minded leftist of just that.
You fancy yourself a thinker, Charles. You aren’t. You are part of the problem. You care more about appearances and your own sense of yourself than you do about what is going on in front of your very eyes.
And I’m tired of holding the weight for people like you.
Yes. You are on the side of Charles. Which doesn’t help me or this country one bit.
So fuck off out of here. There’s nothing I hate more than sanctimony, and that’s all you are — a walking scold who measures himself by how far he’s distanced himself from what he’s convinced are the “radicals.”
Wake up. Or don’t.
But I have no fucking use for people like you anymore — no matter what side you tell me you are on.
If Charles were half as clever as he imagines himself, he might be useful. Alas, it ain’t so.
I would just like to thank the Democrats for lowering the bar on what it takes to make laws in this country. Despite my normal antipathy to stomping Old Glory into the mud a little deeper just to piss on the opposition, I think that I’m going to give the GOP one Get Out of Jail Free card for next year. Let them do whatever the fuck they want, rules and laws be damned, and then tell the Democrats to suck it. Afterward, I’d kind of like to get my Republic back. Right now though, I want metaphorical blood on the House floor, mingled with the sweat and urine excreted from terrified Democrats who finally realize that they loaded and cocked the guns that the rest of us our now holding.
I believe I see Upchuck’s error. It wasn’t “in spite of,” it was “because of.”
Proofin thair nawt racist, they were doin it wrong.
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