October 2, 2009

“Olympics decision stuns Chicago crowd” [UPDATED]

Remember how Obama was going to win back the love and respect of the world?

Oops!

Thousands of people stood in bewildered silence in downtown Chicago on Friday after the International Olympic Committee surprised everyone by dumping the city from the race for 2016 Summer Olympics in the first round of voting.

The vote in Copenhagen was carried on huge television screens set up in the Daley Center to carry what many had hoped would be approval of Chicago as host. It had seemed so likely to many in a city still basking in the blow of hometown Sen. Barack Obama’s election as president.

Instead, Chicago was bounced in the first round, bringing an audible gasp from the crowd. The elimination came so quickly that some would-be revelers weren’t sure what had happened and they asked bystanders if they had heard what they thought they heard.

Many stood for a few minutes, staring at the screens, and at least one flung his hands into the air in a crude gesture toward the TVs. Within seconds, people began filing out of the plaza.

“I’ve never really had a disappointment like this,” said Ken Rudd, a 33-year-old salesman from Evergreen Park. “This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen.”

Chicago was in a race with Rio de Janeiro and Tokyo and Madrid for the 2016 games.

Let’s hope this is just the first of many losses in the President’s endless campaign to purchase himself a legacy.

update: Politics as usual?:

Top White House adviser David Axelrod says “politics” played a key role in the International Olympic Committee’s decision to reject President Obama’s appeal in support of Chicago’s bid to host the 2016 Olympics.

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Asked for details, Axelrod said, “I’m not suggesting anything nefarious…I’m not suggesting anything untoward happened. There are politics around every process, and there were here as well…There were relationships that paid off for some of the other cities.”

Posted by Jeff G. @ 10:22am
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Comments (772)

  1. Pwn3d! Today his name is Pwbama.

  2. Who knew that the presupposed multi-culti IOC was such a hotbed of RAAAAAAACIST!, WINGNUTZ, JUST LOOKIN’ FOR REASONS TO BE H8TIN’ ON OBAMA!1!!1!eleventy…

    I MEAN THEY HAD OPRAH MAN; AND MICHELLE “ARMS” OBAMA TOO!

    The utter rejection of such a melanin rich crew can only be because of RAAAACISM!, unconscious or otherwise, right..?

    ‘Cuz we know that the world just lurvs them some Obama, and respects him so much, too!

    Here’s a clue for all the lefties, currently with tear filled eyes, mouth agape, agog at the incredible idea that Obama could be turned down; THEY HATE US!

    And if you think they hated us when Booooooosh!, a strong willed President, was in office, just you wait to see how we are treated when someone they percieve as weak, that would be Obama, is in charge…

    You’re getting a taste today; learn the flay-vah, you voted for it, you own it, so sop it up in all it’s multi-culti goodness…

  3. The Olympics would have been a nice economic boost for the Midwest.

    Why cheer that America lost them?

  4. The international community has NO respect for Obama. I can’t imagine why.

  5. Why cheer that America lost them?

    In that case, Obama does the right thing, the wrong way.

    Yay!

  6. Had the US gotten the Olympics without Obama’s grubby thumb on the scale, that’d be something entirely different.

    As it stands, I find it repulsive that a US President was out campaigning for his Chicago pol friends in so ostentatious a way.

    Not surprising, though. Just repulsive.

  7. It had seemed so likely to many in a city still basking in the blow of hometown Sen. Barack Obama’s election as president.

    Jeff, I hope that was intentional. I was lucky not to have coffee in my mouth as I read it.

    AND ALL EUROPE IS RACIST!!!

  8. After this debacle I have only one demand.

    Bail out Chicago.

    It would be the left thing to do.

  9. Gotta picture of that crowd? If not, you’ll get another chance – election night 2010.

  10. raaaaacism. Rio raaaaacism. Really the worse kind.

    I mean…even Oprah pitched it? Along with Obama and Michelle? How is it possible.

    That is okay, they always have Kevin Jennings and his connection to Hays and NAMBLA and Bill Ayers!

  11. This is all Rush Limbaugh’s fault. You damned dirty right wingers!

  12. No one is cheering snowcone, simply wishing that Obama would have neen wiser, and spent his overseas political capital on dealing with Iran and Afghanistan as opposed to a failed bid at some payback for his Chicago cronies…

    And why did you and your fellow travelers cheer when Americans were dying in Iraq? Why do you and your fellow travelers cheer when Americans die in Afghanistan? Seems to me that cheerleading for our nation to suffer a significant foreign policy loss is, you know, actually seditious as opposed to simply losing a bid to host the Olympics; even though the old equivalence connivance is a liberal specialty…

    Here’s a clue; not being awarded the olympics is trivial compared to losing in Iraq or Afghanistan!
    Learn it, love it, live it…

  13. I was seriously betting that Obama had this in the bag (by way of threat or bribery – the Chicago way baby!).
    Wow – an international organization told Obama to stuff it up his corrupt ass!
    What’s next? A vote of no confidence from the American citizenry? One can only hope.

    The Obama era is over. Thank God.
    Now we need to start getting this country out of third-world status.

  14. The Olympics would have been a nice economic boost carbon holocaust for the Midwest.

    Why cheer Thank God that America lost them? !

    FTFY.

  15. The Olympics would have been a nice economic boost for the Midwest.

    CLANG CLANG CLANG

    Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Olympic games nearly always cost local taxpayers when al is said and done (see Australia for the latest losses).

    This would have been a boon to Valerie Jarrett and Company (Ayers, et. al.), directly or indirectly, since they or companies in which they have interests own slums that would have been torn down to build Olympic villages, etc.

    Valerie told Obama to go for it; I wonder if she’ll be hypovehiculated now?

  16. NEW LEFTIE TALKING POINT ALERT!!!!

    Racist right-wingers cheering that the US lost olympics, why do they hate so much!

  17. No, no, no. Not God bless America, God damn America! It’s in the Bible!

    Apparently, the IOC has been doing it’s theological homework.

  18. As it stands, I find it repulsive that a US President was out campaigning for his Chicago pol friends in so ostentatious a way.

    Not surprising, though. Just repulsive.

    Anyone remember way back when America had a sense of dignity? Ah, good times…

  19. You find it repulsive, Jeff? You know who else was there lobbying for the Olympics?

    Brazilian President Ignacio Luis da Silva, Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama, and Spanish President Jose Luis Zapatero.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/02/denmark.olympics.obama/index.html

    Gee, maybe it’s an economic boon for their countries, you think? Or maybe they’re scumbags, too.

    In other news, totally less interesting than Obama doing exactly the same thing as other heads of state around the world, Texas murdered an innocent man and Perry blatantly covered it up.

    http://www.star-telegram.com/politics/story/1647991.html

    He’s a Republican though, so it’s all good.

  20. “Yes We Can!” has become “No He Couldn’t!”

  21. #3 – are you familiar with Chicago at all? The hands were already out and the beaks were waiting to wet in the public waters. The benefits would probably be outweighed by the theft, bribery and waste.

    I would have liked to take my kids to some Olympic events – and I would have loved to see a few myself – not at the expense of diverting effort, $ and time to a grab-bag for Cook County scum.

    The only folks I feel sorry for are the working stiffs who might have gotten a very little piece of this action. But that is no reason to load more debt, taxes and graft onto the backs of the entirty of the Land of Lincoln and County of Cook.

  22. Maybe Obama can deliver Chicago the Special Olympics! Oh, wait …

  23. …and spent his overseas political capital on dealing with Iran and Afghanistan

    Obama met with General McChrystal while he was in Copenhagen.

  24. Or maybe they’re scumbags, too.

    The first clue being, they’re politicians?

  25. Obama met with General McChrystal while he was in Copenhagen.

    Thank God for dumb luck, eh?

  26. “#

    Comment by Snowcone on 10/2 @ 10:26 am #

    The Olympics would have been a nice economic boost for the Midwest.

    Why cheer that America lost them?”

    Because it’s a humiliation for Barack 0bama.

    Mmmmm mmmmm mmmmmm.

  27. What I’m cheering is an arrogant, pompous ass getting pwn3d in front of the entire world — and especially in front of his worshippers.

    It’s like in 300 when the god-king Xerxes discovers he can bleed.

  28. “…The hands were already out and the beaks were waiting to wet in the public waters. The benefits would probably be outweighed by the theft, bribery and waste.”

    Oh, they’re not done yet LTC John, just re-purposing the spending already! Must have Dreams, after all.

    * Move forward with grand plans for the Olympic Village on the former Michael Reese campus on the Near South Side. It’s actually easier without the Games. The South Side will get a new residential development, including affordable housing, without the hassle of having to convert temporary Olympic dorms into permanent apartments.

    * Use some of the dollars and passion that would be been tied up in prepping for the Olympics on some of the less sexy issues Chicagoans raised at forums hosted by the 2016 bid committee across the city this summer. Olympic supporters have now heard countless stories about life in violent and otherwise struggling neighborhoods. They should not simply move on.

  29. Yes, I find it repulsive, nate.

    Because I have NO DOUBT that were it Phoenix or some such who was lobbying for the Olympics, Obama wouldn’t have spent a second advocating on that city’s behalf.

    What the heads of state of other countries do in terms of lobbying is of no concern to me. If they wish to prostrate themselves before the IOC, that’s their prerogative.

  30. It’s still insisting that we hate America? God, that’s just adorable!

    Here’s a hint, guys: when a sick fuck who condones the rape of children tries to insult you, you can safely ignore it. Personally, I’d choose to thank the troll, since unlike Woody, Harvey, and Snowy, I’m happy *not* to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with twisted, amoral childfuckers. (Not that I really want them behind me, either, mind you. I think “standing in opposition” is the way to go.)

  31. nate,
    Don’t try to turn this into some kind of issue that allows you to question anyone’s patriotism. And just because the other national leaders were pimping their countries doesn’t me the US should be lowering itself to their level…

    It will end up costing them money to host thegames; they’ve done the cost-benefit analysis of the visibility and decided to suffer the expense…

    So nice try putz, we know you need to come out and defend the Pusillanimous Poseur-in-Chief, but read my #12 and get a clue please…

  32. A little walk down memory lane:

    : In his strongest language to date about the Olympics, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said that President Bush should boycott the opening ceremonies of if the Chinese do not take steps to stop the genocide in Darfur and respect the human rights of Tibetan people.

  33. Fair enough. I probably hated Bush as much as you guys hate Obama, so I know how you feel. Gonna be a long eight years.

  34. P.S. I’m not questioning anybody’s patriotism, Bob. That’s your game and you’re welcome to it. I meant to suggest your rage is a little bit misplaced, that’s all.

  35. I think the problem was the Michelle didn’t sacrifice enough for the IOC. Maybe if she had gone to London, Paris and Vienna first, and tacked on a few shopping sprees for good measure the Committee would have known what a sackcloth-and-ashes Woman of Virtue she was.

    As it is, this doesn’t help her kids one little bit.

  36. Oh well, an opportunity to send an early Christmas gift to Chicago’s aldermen, trade unions, political bosses, and friends lost. And after a public plea by Da One. Epic, epic, loss of face.

    Fuck me this is embarassing for the country and it was all brought on by Da One’s hubris.

  37. nate, what do you think about the carbon footprint of the Olympics? Why do you hate Gaia?

  38. Gonna be a long eight years.

    Fixed that for you.

  39. He can’t land the Olympics but he’ll be able to talk Iran out of the bomb.

    And no Nate, nobody hates Obama like you hated Bush. Because you HATED Bush. We think Obama is unqualified, inexperienced, a poor judge of character and a socialist. Your side claimed Bush was as bad as Hitler. There is no comparison. And its going to be a long 4 years, not 8. Look for Hillary to whip Obama’s ass in the next primary.

  40. I meant to suggest your rage is a little bit misplaced, that’s all.

    What rage is that, nate? I see lots of good humor here. Well, except for you.

  41. Drudge’s Headline: The Ego Has Landed.

  42. We think Obama is unqualified, inexperienced, a poor judge of character and a socialist.

    And he’s a sucker’s sucker. A real chump’s chump.

  43. A FAIL for Obama is a WIN in my book.

    FUBO!

  44. Because it’s a humiliation for Barack 0bama.

    Aaah, Obama Derangement Syndrome in its purest form.

  45. Obama met with General McChrystal while he was in Copenhagen.”

    That was simply cover to avoid the obvious criticism of him sparing more time to lobby the IOC than to pursue legitimate foreign policy; his IOC speech lasted longer than the 20 minute meeting with his General!

    Oh, and meeting the general is not an example of him expending his overseas political capital either; but we’re used to your non-sequitors by now…

    And that simply makes two meetings in 70 days; at best, intellectual incuriosity, at worst, neglect…

    But this threads subject is Obama’s reckless exposure of what little reoutation and gravitas he may enjoy with foreign leaders to lobby for the Olympics? So stick to it, or go to Kos, DU, or HuffPo and hand wring and outrage with the rest of the pinheads…

  46. My remark was directed at what I assume was Snowy. I got no beef with Nate, apart from the points Jeff G already made.

  47. We think Obama is unqualified, inexperienced, a poor judge of character and a socialist Except for the socialist part, that’s exactly how I felt about Bush.

    I personally think it’s kind of ridiculous to compare any American president with Hitler. Also Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini, etc., etc.

    I somehow doubt Hillary will run against Obama, but you know what? I have no idea. I don’t see Palin taking it, though.

  48. Patterico wanted Obama not to fail.

  49. Does anybody think that this 20-minute meeting with McChrystal accomplished anything apart from giving the Axleturfers some talking points on the Sunday morning chat shows? That meeting was all about ass-covering, not policy-making.

  50. It’s RIO! Finally, social justice.

    I loves me some international community of teh world. All warm and snuggly, I am.

  51. “The Olympics would have been a nice economic boost for the Midwest …” cronies of Daley, Obama, Rahm, and the rest of the corrupt crew who could have gotten in
    on the Olympic ‘gold’.

  52. Brazilian President Ignacio Luis da Silva, Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama, and Spanish President Jose Luis Zapatero.

    “Who are scumbag politicians with 1/100th the issues facing the current POTUS?”

  53. Rio? Holy shit, that kind of puts paid to the idea Chicago was too crime-ridden.

  54. “This could be a meeting in Chicago, because we look like the world. And over the last several years sometimes that fundamental truth about the United States has been lost. One of the legacies of this Olympic Games would be the restoration of that understanding of what the United States is all about and a recognition of how we are linked to the world.”

    He’s such an eagerly prostrate dirty socialist man whore, our president. He butters up his ass and bends over before the most disgusting tribes of dirty socialists at the drop of a hat.

    He’s so not America.

  55. oh. that quote was from here.

  56. I meant to suggest your rage is a little bit misplaced, that’s all.

    Not so much rage as schadenfreude.

  57. Love the Drudge Report headline! I did a screen cap just to be sure I always have a copy. I wonder if he cried.

  58. Does anybody think that this 20-minute meeting with McChrystal accomplished anything apart from giving the Axleturfers some talking points on the Sunday morning chat shows? That meeting was all about ass-covering, not policy-making.

    Given that McChrystal happened to be in London, it was also quite convenient, what with the country wondering what the fuck he was thinking not having had more than one conversation with the guy he put in charge of the really important must win war.

    Hell of an afterthought, ain’t it?

  59. “We think Obama is unqualified, inexperienced, a poor judge of character and a socialist”
    ” Except for the socialist part, that’s exactly how I felt about Bush. ”

    WELL … enjoy that third Bush term, then!

  60. Gonna be a long eight years.

    You serious there nate?

    Goin’ a bit Leeroy Jenkins there aren’t you?

  61. In other news, totally less interesting than Obama doing exactly the same thing as other heads of state around the world

    “What is acting like the hoi-polloi?”

  62. nate is deserate to change the subject from the huge loss Teh Won suffered today. I thought Baracky was going to make the world love us again.

    The economics of the Olympics, at least recently, have shown that in actual costs, it is a net negative for the host city, after construction of tons of facilities, fields, infrastructure, etc … It would have been nice for the trade unions, construction companies, etc… but the amount of graft and theft would have been, overwhelming.

  63. Nate,

    I’m glad you admitted that you hated and hate President Bush.

    I don’t hate President Obama. I’ll denigrate President Obama, because he proves just how inept and inexperienced he is on a daily basis. But hate? I’ll leave that projection to you and your kind.

    Snowcone, you really are a fool. Yeah, glad the President could take a little time out of his schedule to speak with General McCrhystal while he’s on his way to Copenhagen.

    Snowcone, you just don’t want to understand what message Obama sent when he deigned to speak with the General while on the way to Copenhagen.

    President Obama is clearly implying that he considers Afghanistan, you know, “the important war” as not being worth his time or full concentration. That President Obama will squeeze in General McChrystal when it is convenient.

  64. You find it repulsive..?

    “what is no upside and lots of downside for a cheap political stunt say about me?”

  65. Well, Lamont, I certainly make no claims of seeing the future, but the Republican party looks completely disorganized this far out. The national candidates are falling apart as fast as they’re proferred: Palin, Jindal, Sanford…

    Sure, it’s possible they’ll pull it together before 2012, but if Obama has any success with the economy and healthcare, I think it’s going to be a tall hill to climb.

  66. Teh One lost. Big time.

  67. Sweet, it’s Rio. Great town, wonderful people, beautiful country. I’ve got a lot of old friends that must be celebrating right now.

  68. Love the Drudge Report headline!

    Yes, that is awesome.

  69. 9.8 and Olympic fail. What a day for Obama.

  70. “Does anybody think that this 20-minute meeting with McChrystal accomplished anything apart from giving the Axleturfers some talking points on the Sunday morning chat shows?”

    The fact that they even responded to the Afghanistan criticism with a talking-point-able photo op is progress.

    Here’s our next ranting right-wing talking point … maybe they’ll move on THAT dime too…

    Dear Mr President:
    IT’S THE LOSS OF AMERICAN JOBS, STUPID! UNDER YOUR TERM MILLIONS OF JOBS HAVE BEEN LOST! MORE JOBS LOST EVERY SINGLE MONTH!
    THE ECONOMY HAS SHRUNK AND IS NOT GROWING AGAIN! PAY ATTENTION TO JOBS AND ECONOMIC GROWTH!
    QUIT TRYING TO SOCIALIZE EVERY DANGED THING AND FOCUS ON IMPROVING THE ECONOMY!
    Signed, American Patriots

  71. When did Palin, Jindal, or Sanford announce they were running for national office, Nate?

    But, they are desperate to distract from this abject failure of Teh One, so I see why you want to talk about things like that.

  72. *I personally think it’s kind of ridiculous to compare any American president with Hitler*

    That’s to your credit then. Obviously, I don’t know you or the extent to which you had (or didn’t have) BDS. The Hitler thing was unbelievably over the top.

    And wow, really about Hillary ? I’d be shocked if she didn’t. Palin’s candidacy, its too early to tell. The next 3 years will be determinative. I’m not on board with her (or anybody yet). She impresses me as a person and a politician, I’m not sure about presidential candidate. But I’m keeping an open mind. Personally, the only potential candidate I really don’t care much for is Huckabee.

  73. Since it’s too late for Copenhagen, does anyone know where I can sign up to sacrifice by getting a free trip to Rio?

    Samba dancers and caipirinhas!

  74. I’ve always thought the word “hate” carries the connotation of a quasi-obsession — that someone who hates is always looking for a way to blame the object of his hate for all misfortune. In short, I ascribe “hate” to Nazis, white supremacists, jihadis and the like.

    As such, it’s always struck me as a tremendous waste of effort to hate someone. Sane people don’t do it.

    But if Nate doesn’t mind admitting to doing it, that’s his affair.

  75. When was Sanford a national candidate? How has Jindal fallen apart? Is this what falling apart looks like?

    Man, if only we had a John Kerry to lead us out of the wilderness. Or maybe a foregone conclusion like Hillary…

  76. It would have been nice for the trade unions, construction companies, etc… but the amount of graft and theft would have been, overwhelming.

    It would have made “The Big Dig” look like a child’s sandbox.

  77. And wow, really about Hillary ? I’d be shocked if she didn’t.

    Yes. Realistically this is Hillary’s last shot at the presidency, and I don’t see her bowing out out of respect to the current Presentdent.

  78. Apparently, Michael Jordan is being blamed. Damn that Jordan, if only he had done SOMETHING for the people of Chicago during his career.

  79. True, royf, so very true.

  80. I hate Illinois Nazis, McGehee. Their politicians too.

  81. I don’t really have any schadenfreude about the fact that Obama was unable to bring home the bacon, and I don’t want to emulate the folks who gainsayed every presidential move in the last 8 years, some in the most vitriolic way possible. Personally, I think that having the IOC choose any American city over the competition is cool.But I can’t overlook the hubris behind so many of these kerfuffles that Obama walks right into, and when you make it about yourself, you may be headed for a rude awakening.

  82. What I wish the Left could understand about this debacle is that, in serious matters, the world holds Obama in no more esteem than the normal US President. Foreigners don’t “like” Americans just because of their color and or the “soft, hard power of their faces.” This is real-politick, the big leagues in a world fighting over matters of national survival.

  83. Maybe “hate” was too strong a word, McGhee, although I challenge you to read anything Darleen Click posts about Obama (or anyone to the left of her) and not see bile dripping off of every word. I disagreed strongly with most of Bush’s decisions and policies and I found him personally unlikable.

    Keep on dreamin’, Pablo. Jindal ’12!

  84. Brazil?

    Will they have a small Carnival to compete with the Beijing spectacle?

    Nothing says “Olympics” like a bunch of naked people screwing on top of a float (decorated Greyhound bus) while 10 year old, murdering criminals from “The City of God” jump tourists and drag them into alleys.

    Nate is right on this one. Chicago wouldn’t have been any different.

  85. Well Pablo, everybody knows Illinois Nazis are to blame for all misfortune. ;-p

  86. A FAIL for Obama is a WIN in my book.

    So you don’t mind if we lose in Afghanistan is Obama is held partly responsible?

    Interesting.

  87. Keep on dreamin’, Pablo. Jindal ‘12!

    That’s cute, nate, but it doesn’t answer my question.

  88. I disagreed strongly with most of Bush’s decisions and policies

    Not being an Obamarrhoid, I don’t consider that evidence of “hate.”

    and I found him personally unlikable.

    I never met him. I suspect I would have liked him if I had. I suspect if I had met Bill Clinton without having known anything about him I might have found myself liking him too.

    His wife, not so much.

  89. I would have no problem saying hello President Jindal can I offer you a tasty snack cake?

  90. So you don’t mind if we lose in Afghanistan is Obama is held partly responsible?

    Typical twist.

    No, it’s not a case of “don’t mind”, quite the contrary, in fact.

    It’s a case of “some slight compensation”.

    Regards,
    Ric
    (shameless blogwhoring: new post up)

  91. Maybe if Obama, while in the Illinois Senate, had spent more time trying to clean up Chicago instead of trying to clean up for himself and Daley, he would have had a better chance with the IOC.

    Just a thought.

  92. #83

    “I disagreed strongly with most of Bush’s decisions” and policies” Fair enough. You don’t need me to tell you that’s your right.

    “and I found him personally unlikable” I don’t find Obama personally unlikable, because I don’t know him personally. He’s a human being with human failings, and I’m sure he cares for things that we all hold in common. I have (and I’m sure everyone else has) worked for or with people we didn’t personally like, but the exigencies of necessity dictated that we put aside our personal feelings to get things done.

    In a very general sense, I don’t see it happening.

  93. From nate:

    ” You find it repulsive, Jeff? You know who else was there lobbying for the Olympics?
    Brazilian President Ignacio Luis da Silva, Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama, and Spanish President Jose Luis Zapatero.”

    Oh, well that’s all right, then.

    Zapatero: A thirty-year history of membership in the Communist and Socialist parties.
    A “bland, soft-focus premiership that lacks precision, vision or strategic goals.”
    A “habit of showering public money on any problem” and, in all, being “averse to tough decisions.”

    Luis da Silva: Fatherless crypto-socialist, who founded a “loose confederacy of trade unionists, grassroots activists, left-wing Catholics, left-center social democrats and small Trotskyist groupings.”

    Hatoyama: fourth generation politician “known by his supporters and his opposition alike as “ET” or “The Alien”, a nickname his wife states he earned because of how different he is from old-style Japanese politicians.” He’s been PM for a month.

    Yup, Obama’s right up there.

  94. Keep on dreamin’, Pablo. Jindal ‘12!

    I’m all over that, man. I’ve been a fan of Jindal for years.

  95. “Keep on dreamin’, Pablo. Jindal ‘12!”

    ?

    And you get that where?

    Disorganized?

    Tea Parties, town halls, 500,000 march on Washington. These people aren’t the liberal protest machine. These people have jobs, families. They actually contribute to the economy on a daily basis. They suffer and those elected will suffer.

    They scare the holy hell out of your politicians.

    Success in the economy or health care?

    The first is ridiculous. The second seals Democrats fate.

  96. “some slight compensation”

    How far down a political party has to sinko to dredge up a “victory” is a sure sign of their current standing.

    Cheering because America lost the Olympics says far more about the current state of the Republican party than it does about Obama.

  97. Nate and yellowsnow do not want to talk about how big of an EPIC fail this was for Barcky.

    Snotnose previously expressed its desire to walk away/quit/surrender in Iraq and Afghanistan, so anything it types must be looked at through that prism. It has expressed its desire to fail, miserably.

  98. “How far down a political party has to sinko to dredge up a “victory” is a sure sign of their current standing.”

    Referencing evidence not in the record. Who here said it was a victory?

  99. “Comment by Snowcone on 10/2 @ 11:10 am #

    A FAIL for Obama is a WIN in my book.

    So you don’t mind if we lose in Afghanistan is Obama is held partly responsible?”

    He’d be completely responsible, you retarded marmoset.

    Mmmmm mmmmm mmmmmm.

  100. Well Jeff, I mean, come on, Alexrod is an expert on graft.

  101. How far down a political party has to sinko to dredge up a “victory” is a sure sign of their current standing.

    Cheering because America lost the Olympics says far more about the current state of the Republican party than it does about Obama.

    Get a job turd blossom. You could use the distraction.

  102. Rio deserves it. First Olympics in South America. Looking forward to it.

  103. He’d be completely responsible if we cut ‘n run, you retarded marmoset.

    Fixed that.

  104. Obama was caught in a bad place. If he had not gone, the political machine in Chicago would never have forgiven him. Now he can say he went, gave it that good old Harvard try, and lost honorably (without giving Rio escorts to the IOC members, etc.).

    And guess what, Obama is ready to give the same try in Afghanistan, Iran, and North Korea! Lots of fun.

  105. America did not lose the Olympics. It was Chicago and Barcky, and they did not lose it, they failed to win it.

  106. Cheering because America lost the Olympics says far more about the current state of the Republican party than it does about Obama.

    Yes it does Snowcone.

    Republican Party, Current State = Rock the Casbah

    Obama, Current State = Jimmy Carter

  107. How far down a political party has to sink to dredge up a “victory” is a sure sign of their current standing.

    That’s going to read good when the Dems pass a shriveled Obamacare.

  108. If you believe in the Olympic ideal AT ALL, placing a fifth Games in the States when none have been in South America ever is a non-starter.

  109. Has anyone checked IPs, etc,to see if ‘snowcone’ is recycled dinosaur troll ‘alphie’, ‘monkeyboy’ ad. naseum?.The MO looks familiar.

  110. But this trap that Obama was in here is exactly the situation Jeff has been pointing out with this Ayers/Dreams issue. Obama owes all these different individuals who can come down hard on him. They can play him and he has to dance for them. So they had him dance off to Copenhagen for a epic fail.

  111. As everyone knows, I’m a HUGE fan of Republicans.

    So snowcone’s criticisms are spot on, and I stand completely chastened.

  112. Wasn’t Brazil the home country of that stacked, but jailbait, girl that Barry O! got caught ogling?

    I doubt Michelle will let him get within 5,000 miles of the place.

    Heh.

  113. There’s just something about them South American women, I tells ya.

  114. I saw a picture of the crowd in Chicago gasping.

    One held a sign: “Oprah should light the torch.”

    Um, OK.

  115. I mean, Oprah?

  116. You spin me round round baby round round like a record player round round round round.

    See snowcone, even Newsweek thinks this is good. Or are they spinning for Obama?

  117. I’m totally all a’titter that The Won, Lost. But poor Brazil. They’ve already pledged $14 bil, for in additional to the venues, hotels, transportation, and safety (all worse than ScamTown). Based upon past track records that will mushroom to 28-30 bil, before it’s all over.

    Wait a minute. Doesn’t Lula hang with Ortega, Castro, and Chavez?

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

  118. That’s going to read good when the Dems pass a shriveled Obamacare.

    So you guys have accepted that a medical reform bill is going to get passed this year?

  119. Joe, Aesop’s fables are wisdom for the ages. Fox, meet unattainable grapes.

  120. Another Jeopardy question …

    A sewer worker, a scuba diver, and President Barack Obama.

    “Who are three people in over their heads?”

  121. Congratulations to Rio! I’m glad the last Olympics before global warming kills us all will be the first one in South America.

    Obama is just a tool of Soros. How can you hate a tool?

    Kind of a dull tool at that.

  122. When will Barcky make the world love us again?

  123. A few people here have said it in jext, I can’t wait for the first leftoid to start screeching racism in earnest.

    ‘Cause we all know there are no People of Color in Brazil, right?

  124. Bonus for the GE/NBC complex, summer in Rio is winter in the States, when people can be expected to spend more time indoors and thus seated in front of a television.

  125. Nate is not functionally different than BB, just less pompous and verbose.

  126. This is fun because Snowcone and nate are riding high on their Patriot horses over our Olympics cynicism after just under eight years of cheering the deaths of American servicemen and calling people like Zarqawi the George Washingtons of Iraq.

  127. Maybe Oprah could spend some of her billions on helping clean up Chicago – and then they might could have some Olympic games there some day.
    Maybe if Chicago thugs stopped killing honor students in broad daylight – then they might could have some Olympic games there some day.

    I could fill an entire library on why Chicago didn’t get the Olympics. Too bad politicians and celebrities can’t read.

  128. …a medical reform bill is going to get passed…

    There’s a very good chance that something will get passed that looks, in a dim enough light to a sufficiently myopic person, like “medical reform”.

    It will reshuffle the deck chairs very nicely, and include a lot of pork, graft, and “consideration” for favored constituencies. If it results in a single individual getting so much as a free aspirin, it will also result in thousands losing things they value.

    Regards,
    Ric

  129. “So you guys have accepted that a medical reform bill is going to get passed this year?”

    In your dreams, you retarded marmoset.

  130. So you guys have accepted that a medical reform bill is going to get passed this year?

    “Medical Reform Bill”?…That’s what it’s called this week? Can you idiots at least land a dart on a single name for this unwritten turd?

    Gee, I dunno Snowcone. You own the White House. Congress. The Senate.

    You retards can pass any goddamn thing you want and there’s not a damn thing we can do about it.

    Yet somehow “the right” is holding up The Won’s plans?

    Teh fail is all on your end. Unlike you, even Democrat politicians can read a fucking poll.

    Government run health care = Doom 2010 and they know it.

  131. When will Barcky make the world love us again?

    When He’s elected, silly!

  132. As an incidental: Rather than simply assigning Lula to the Castro/Chavez/Zelaya/Obama axis, you should look up the details.

    He started out that way, and his power base is much the same, but he turned out to be a person who can see lightning and hear thunder even over the shouts for “fairness”. His policies are sometimes opposed, sometimes parallel, to ours, but his reforms look more like Merkel’s proposals than anything else.

    Regards,
    Ric

  133. So you guys have accepted that a medical reform bill is going to get passed this year?

    I do, SC. My exchanges with my Virginia Dem Senators and Congressman leave me thinking they are determined to pass anything in order to claim a success. They’ll offer Olympia Snowe, et al, something.

    The Dems need a “success”” to keep their side from sinking into despair, especially after this Olympic debacle. Obama’s failures will continue throughout this year as his enemies are emboldened by his shriveling mojo. Our country is leaderless and in deep trouble.

  134. This is a failure for the children.

    Now how will the children of Chicago learn how to dunk like Oprah or bowl like Obama or do whatever it is that David Robinson does? HOW!?

  135. So Axelrod is basically saying Obama did not bring enough suitcases full of cash to pay off the IOC.

    Well, it’s not like the U.S. is out of money.
    Oh, wait…..

  136. Bonus for the GE/NBC complex, summer in Rio is winter in the States, when people can be expected to spend more time indoors and thus seated in front of a television.

    Yeah, but “winter” in Rio isn’t like winter in Chicago.

  137. What do you reckon Brazil’s response to the Honduran government’s demand that they cease hosting Mal Zelaya in the Brazilian embassy is going to be once the ten day deadline runs, Ric? I see Brazil has decided to appoint a new ambassador to the empty post though, so they may be readying to act one way or another.

    Further, via Fausta, did anyone notice John Kerry’s attempt to block Sen DeMint’s planned trip to Honduras has been foiled?

  138. and I found him personally unlikable.

    So you knew the man? Oh, you didn’t. Then you’re an unserious child.

  139. Daley is the scapegoat, this hour anyway…

    Daley was reported to have said last week that hosting the World Cup, as Brazil will do in 2014, was not the same as hosting the Olympics.

    That comment, not officially recorded and appear to be from a single source from my web search, caused Rio to file a complaint with the IOC Ethics Commission.

    http://www.sfgate*.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?blogid=95&entry_id=48812#ixzz0SnrVtjHK

    that’s a thin reed to hang Obama’s massive FAIL on I think. Him and his woman both.

    lame.

  140. All this after all of the SACRIFICE that Michelle went through to travel to Copenhagen on the tax payer dime. Truly, the IOC is not appreciative enough of the SACRIFICE that the first lady was willing to undergo for the great unwashed masses.

    Is anyone else beginning to think this administration is just one big prank being pulled by the democrats? I don’t know how else to explain it.

  141. Seems like the good citizens of Chicago were split down the middle as to whether or not they wanted the Olympics anyway. It would seem that the ones really pushing for it were Boss Daley and the whole slimy machine. Why on earth would His Milli Vanilliness put his personal reputation on the line for such a slim return?What could He have been thinking? Did Boss Daley call in some notes?

  142. Tall and big and rather brawny
    The girl from Chicago goes out walking
    And when she passes, each one she passes goes – Ahhhh!

    When she walks, she’s like a wrestler
    That swings her guns in ways that menance
    That when she passes, each one she passes goes – Ahhhh!

    (ooh) but I watch her so closely
    How can I tell…well she scares me
    Yes I fear she can beat the shit out of me
    But each day, when she walks to the IOC
    She looks straight ahead, not at me–whew!

    Tall and big and rather brawny
    The girl from Chicago goes out walking
    And when she passes, I smile – but she doesnt see (doesnt see)
    (she just doesnt see, she never sees me,…)

  143. Michelle travels with Oprah to make her ass look smaller. She’s her bun buddy.

  144. It was for the kids.

  145. “What could He have been thinking?”

    Comes perilously close to an unfounded attribution of fact onto an uncertain cognitive event, SW. :-)

  146. Now “Obama’s an idiot” seems to fall short. Oh well, time for a new slogan.

  147. The One lost. Big time.

  148. Not for nothing the JOM gang has taken to calling him “the Once” JD.

  149. time for a new slogan

    How about, “Israel just swapped 20 Palestinian prisoners for a video of captured Israelis soldier?”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8286206.stm

    WTF?

  150. Too wordy. How about “Better wear a helmet”

  151. Or “Nice Try-athalon”

  152. maybe “Shot Putz”

  153. Well, Obama was telling the world how bad America was during his apology tour. They took him seriously it seems.
    I think describing Obama as naive doesn’t quite cover it. The man is just plain dumb.

  154. Politicians who are not personally likable probably don’t go very far.

    nate is projecting, which is to be expected. He hated Bush, so we must hate Obama. I don’t hate Obama, I just enjoy it when he fails because I know it will cause a lot of tears on the left. I knew he was an empty suit from the very start, and he has done nothing to change that opinion. If Obama comes back down to earth and starts pitching moderate policy changes rather than radical ones, he will get a lot more people on board with him. However, since he’s a full-blown narcissist, that will never happen, as he is always right and we are supposed to do as he says and bask in his glory.

  155. Will Obama retire to Chicago when his single Presidential term is done? I wonder. Will Michelle stick around — a loyal Rosalynn — to endure the disapprobation and humiliation?

    Maybe Rio will make him an appealing offer?

  156. Best Line: “Looks like Obama got waxed by the Brazilians.”

    H/T to Bushman of the Kohlrabi at Althouse.

  157. Israel just swapped 20 Palestinian prisoners for a video of captured Israelis soldier

    What’s that? “Victory” for you?

    It obviously is you mendacious, pathetic cocksucker.

    And “criticism of Hollywood is thin antisemitism”!?!

    That’s what you said.

    So you’re the thick, 4×8, KKK, flaming cross, “I Hate Me some Jews” kind’a fellow.

    We got it.

  158. If the Israelis started drugging and raping 13-year-olds, Snowy would defend them in an instant. Bear that in mind.

  159. Today the world became a vast right wing conspiracy. *sniffle*

  160. Cheering because America lost the Olympics American setbacks and combat death in Iraq simply because of the demagogish way the same xould be used as an electoral cudgel against their political opponents says far more about the current state of the Republican Democratic party than it does about Obamaloyal Americans.

    FTFY snowcone

  161. Give a man enough rope…

    Snowcone announced himself a Jew-hating racist.

    Didn’t even realize he was letting the mask slip.

    Fucking “progressives”.

    Priceless.

  162. Let’s review the President’s accomplishments shall we:

    * Release College Transcripts: FAIL
    * Community Organizer: FAIL
    * Healthcare: FAIL
    * Cap and Tax: FAIL
    * Amnesty: FAIL
    * Close GITMO: FAIL
    * Afghanistan: FAIL
    * Iran: FAIL
    * Economy: FAIL
    * Chicago Olympics: FAIL

  163. ghost707@163:

    You forgot one

    *Most transparent administration EVAH!: FAIL

  164. Most Beautiful First Lady in History of the US of A: fail

  165. Enh, nate doesn’t seem such a bad fellow to me. He’s demonstrated self-awareness and a degree of rhetorical control.

    Barack Obama, on the other hand, is clearly a leader of men.

  166. You know, behind every failed man etc. etc.

  167. I hear Chicago will be sending a “very special” delegation to Copenhagen to conduct an impartial reexamination of the IOC ballots. Jimmy Carter will oversee the operation to guarantee objectivity.

  168. I heard the IOC guy say “Chicago will not participate, BOY”.

  169. If I may…

    While I enjoy OUTLAW!-ry as much as the next fellow, I’m not digging the whole “Boy” business. It’s actually not that funny. Just my opinion, but considering the source of it, I don’t see what rhetorical gain there is.

  170. *Most transparent administration EVAH!: FAIL

    I disagree. Most of us here have no trouble whatsoever seeing through this administration.

    Or is that not what “transparent” means in this context? Heh.

  171. Enh, nate doesn’t seem such a bad fellow to me. He’s demonstrated self-awareness and a degree of rhetorical control.

    I certainly got the impression he didn’t arrive on the short bus. If I ever met him in person, it’s entirely possible I might find myself liking him.

  172. I certainly got the impression he didn’t arrive on the short bus. If I ever met him in person, it’s entirely possible I might find myself liking him.

    Still, it’s difficult to trust someone who uses no capital letters in his name.

  173. this is true

  174. A friend told me that some CNN reporter commented, “Oh, to be a fly on the wall in Air Force One right now…”

    I’d pay money to watch that.

  175. I bet he feels like a big stupid loser, our little president man.

  176. Indeed, “Boy” is not needed or wanted.

    Especially when Chump/ Champ/ Assclown/ Dog ate my homework/ Rahm it up our ass/ Bumblefuck/ Captain Incompetent/ I was on TV 100 times this week/ Mr. Magoo covers President Obama quite nicely.

  177. nate has a william vibe to him, albeit with a little more self awareness than previously demonstrated. Maybe there is progress.

    Comment by Dr Carlo Lombardi on 10/2 @ 11:28 am #

    Has anyone checked IPs, etc,to see if ’snowcone’ is recycled dinosaur troll ‘alphie’, ‘monkeyboy’ ad. naseum?.The MO looks familiar.

    Yup, most definitely him. You can tell by the obtuse stick poking. However, Doc, alphie/snowcone is working hard on the Mile high Dirt Berms™ that will protect Afghanistan from The Northwest Territories.

  178. Andrew and Lamont, I trust you’re familiar with Maureen Dowd’s bizarre and ridiculous column after Joe Wilson’s “You Lie” outburst at Obama’s JSC address when she said she heard an unsaid “boy” implied at the end of Wilson’s comment.It has become an iconic example of lefties, media and Obamabots hearing and seeing racism at any rejection or opposition to Obama.

  179. Now, they have to be the Lypics.

    Because the O FAILED.

    I’m glad he is restoring our national reputation around the world after so many years.

  180. I can’t even imagine the spin the lamestream media will try to put on this. Like a bunch of Iranian centrifuges spinning at 110%.

    The Pumas over at Hillbuzz are not only raking the Obama entourage over the coals – they are pouring coals on top of them.

    Hell hath no fury like a bunch of Hillary supporters grinding the axe to THE ONE™

  181. OT Jeff G: It looks as though we will have a redux of the Phillies/Rockies series of two years ago. What the Rocks have accomplished in the second have of this year is just short of miraculous. Tulowitzki is a superstar and may have hauled himself over Ramirez and Rollins to placement as the best shortstop in the NL.

    There is already talk that the Phils will set up their pitching to be lefty centric due to the Rocks having less success with southpaws. The problem is that they may need JA Happ in the bullpen due to injuries to Ayres and Romero, leaving them lefty short. Pedro or JA against the Rocks? Stay tuned.

    Should be a great series. We’ll save the trash talking for the end of the season.

  182. Michelle Obama denied by Olympic Committee in Copenhagen.

    Somewhere in there is a Jack Links “Messing with Sasquatch” commercial.

  183. Coming soon from Obama: “As I’ve said many times before, I never wanted the Olympics for Chicago.”

    -Jonah Goldberg

  184. I was seriously betting that Obama had this in the bag

    Just about everyone did. Because why else would he stake his glory on the line?

    But even I, I who has seen Obama as the Narcissist he is for so long, was surprised that he’d take such a gamble.

    On the other hand, it does make sense after all: he believed his Glorious Self would be sufficient to tip the scales regardless. Didn’t count on the IOC being loathe to grant glory to Yet Another American City.

    I’m glad for the cariocas (residents of Rio). South America has languished in our shadow for too long.

    If you want to impress your friends with the Brazilian pronunciation of Rio de Janeiro, it’s like this:

    HEE-o zhee zha-NAY-roo

    Gee, maybe it’s an economic boon for their countries, you think?

    Spain and Japan should know better, having already hosted Olympic games. Brazil is up and coming, labor costs are still low, and they could use the prestige.

    That’s not to say that Brazil doesn’t have its share of corruption, but I bet it can’t hold a candle to the Daly machine. For a South American country, that’s saying something (about Chicago, that is).

    Because I have NO DOUBT that were it Phoenix or some such who was lobbying for the Olympics

    When SLC got the bid, no president campaigned for us. (Didn’t need to! HEE!)

    I meant to suggest your rage

    Rage is y’all’s gig. We do astonishment, indignation, contempt, ridicule, and disparagement. That you chose the word “rage” indicates that you’ve been watching too much TV news.

    the Republican party looks completely disorganized this far out

    Feature, not bug. GOP leadership is clueless, feckless, cowardly, and corrupt. Best the tea partiers have their hands on the helm for the nonce.

  185. Why Rio IOC, they wonder?

    Brazil means Churrascarias which, well, grilled meat, that’s enough, no?

  186. It has always been my position that Rio should host the Olympics.

  187. sdferr,

    I was giving His Immenseness the benefit of the doubt, seeing as he was presented as the super smartest academic evah! Turns out, he is more in the william yelverton league. In the end, He could have sent the over-upholstered First Wookie to Copenhagen on her own, for all the good it did. Then He wouldn’t have dropped His drawers for nothing.

  188. There’s also the sort of grilled meat that walks around Ipanema, sdferr.

  189. Speaking of which…

    “Snap into a Slim Jim’…”Jack’s Link”…

    They’re advertising on the order of face razors…

    Anyone here eat, or know anyone who eats beef jerky regularly?

    NTTATWWT.

    Just curious.

    They advertise like it’s the beer market.

  190. Mmmmmm … Churrascarias.

    Ever have a chance to experience Fogo de Chao, sdferr? Nothing stirs the predator soul like men dressed as gauchos bringing you steaming spits of wood charred marinated meat of many persuasions.

    Salad bar? We don need no steenkin’ Salad Bar!

  191. I have had the pleasure of eating Brazilian bbq in beautiful downtown Lisboa – it is a thing to behold. Who would be a veggie?

  192. Haven’t been to Fogo BJTexs but we’ve got a couple of mom & pop Brazilian restaurants down here I tend toward. In fact, I could use a plate or two of Feijoada pretty soon, now I think on it.

  193. “Ever have a chance to experience Fogo de Chao, sdferr?”

    Beltline Rd is indeed a din of wonderful food sins.

  194. BJTexs, I had the privilege of going to the Fogo de Chao near Carrollton TX last year. It was a religious experience for this Orthodox Carnivore. I was weeping tears of au jus when I left.

  195. You gotta figure the CIA gave him some intel. Or do you think the little president man didn’t think to ask?

    I wonder.

  196. This may be the moment when, looking back, the pundits will say Obama became a lame duck.

    I hope for that change. He will do less harm to America that way.

  197. I think this is a FAIL that low information voter people can readily absorb.

  198. No, andrew, nate does “seem” like a decent guy. However, he is also an unserious child in that he says he didn’t like Bush “personally”. Unless he knew Bush “personally”, he has no grounds to say that. Not liking someone you don’t know “personally” leads to people like Barack Obama being president. I don’t care how nate “feels”, especially in regards to things he knows nothing about.

    Btw, Rio over Chicago is a no brainer. Rio is beaaaaaauuuuuutiful!

  199. the pundits will say Obama became a lame duck

    Sure they will.

    Maybe he’ll resign?

    Hehe, your desperation is showing.

  200. The little president man should give another prime time speech. So we can start the healing.

  201. I love Brazilian BBQ.

    I even like the Carnivore restautrant in Nairobi. Big gyro like skewers of various game animals.

    And I make my own jerky at home. And that is good too.

    As for veggies–well there is chicken. Or maybe potatoes, but only giant baked ones with bacon or perfect fries.

    It was South America’s time and yet Obama and Chicago were convinced they could charm the IOC into this. And the IOC told them fuck off.

  202. Brazazz in Chicago puts Fogo de Chao to shame. Same concept, just better. But I can say I have never had a bad meal @ Fogo. Ever. Dead animals rock.

  203. Growing up in a Portuguese home I has a ma and pa operation every day. Our menus tended more towards seafood (mom made the best chowder and paella I’ve ever had anywhere) but grilling was king in summer. Grandpa had built is own stone enclosed wood fired outdoor griller. 4 foot spits were loaded with marinated meat, onions, peppers and then grilled over high wood (cedar and ash) heat for about 10 minutes. Then the the entire menagerie was slide hot into big pots containing fresh parsley, lots of garlic, red wide vinegar, salt and pepper and other spices. Toss the pile, cover and let sit for ten minutes. The juices produced were heavenly. Serve with fresh, crusty rolls (Portagee Breads) corn on the cob, big salad and homemade Madeira wine.

    Anybody hungry? :-) (The above is called Carne Spit)

  204. Ah-ha. And they chanted … meat … meat … meat … meat. Heh.

  205. Hehe, your desperation is showing.

    Your complete lack of an intellect, a life, an ability to overcome virginity, etc. shows every time you post.

  206. Current headline at FoxNews:

    ‘O’, WHAT A LETDOWN

    Heh! The punsters are out in full force today!

  207. Joe@204: Picanha and Casa Brasil in Philadelphia are great BBQ spots that have appeared with a recent influx of Brazilian immigrants into the NE section of Philadelphia. Tio Pepe is a great spot on the same block to knock back a few after dinner.

  208. SPC Jack: I’ve heard of those two places and good things, too. I’m about thirty miles outside Philly and need to get over there one of these days.

    The funny thing about Fogo is that their salad bar is quite spectacular. It just seems irrelevant once the spits start coming.

  209. I joined PETA. I love animals. They taste soooooooo good.

    BJ – I want to come over for dinner.

  210. Pairing Obama’s evident foolishness in deciding to waste his time with a fruitless trip to Copenhagen with stories like this may indeed have a long run effect on the public’s opinion of his poor judgment. It can’t come too soon for my money.

  211. Damn, I knew you guys would start talking about bbq’d food. Bastards.
    The only thing in my freezer is a pizza. And frozen hamburger.
    Hmmm. I have charcoal for the grill.
    Joe has convinced me to bbq some chicken.
    Haven’t had shish kabob in a while either.

  212. JD: If and when I get out to Indiana I’ll trade you the Carne Spit for Mother in Law’s spring rolls and any other tasties. I’ll bring the whole kit and caboodle with me, including the Portagee Breads.

    We’ll celebrate Cultural Culinary Diversity© or some such.

  213. 211@BJT – Make the trip. The strip of Castor Avenue in the Northeast used to be the heart of Philly’s middle class Jewish community with many kosher delis and bakeries. In classic urban demographic turnover the street is now filled with lots of great Brazilian, Portuguese, Indian, and Korean restaurants and stores.

  214. At 2900 W Belmont Ave in Chicago I want to eat the burgers. And the Pig Destroyer. It is very popular is my understanding. So popular that the Olympics wouldn’t have been a big deal cause of they sell many tasty burgers all the time anyway.

  215. Pfui. In Brazil — or, at least in southern Brazil, Parana and Rio Grande do Sul — the churrascaria is a middle-class and upper-working-class place, the equivalent of (say) Golden Corral or the like. They also have them for seafood; I don’t remember the name, but I could probably take you back to the one in Curitiba from muscle memory alone.

    I went by Texas de Brazil in Fort Worth once. Seventy bucks per visit, for two people — and that was several years ago. This on top of the linguistic monstrosity (it ought to be Texas do Brasil, with a little tick over the “i”). Not for me, thanks.

    Regards,
    Ric

  216. What’s nice about Brazilian bbq in Lisboa is they give you chilled Madeira before and let you smoke your cigar in peace.

  217. Lame duck. Barbequed.

    Sit down and dig in, Snowie.

    Don’t let ‘em get you down about being a virgin either. They were all virgins once too. Just be yourself and it’ll happen. Or you can get ‘em drunk and drugged up like you were in Hollywood.

  218. Hey, Axelrod: want some cheese with that whine?

    Regards,
    Ric

  219. I feel Axelrod’s pain. If it wasn’t for “politics” Hillary’d be President right now and the Olympics would be back in LA.

  220. All I can say? I was wrong thinking it was “in the bag” and, channeling that kid from the Simpsons? HAA HAA….. Barry loses again.

  221. I’m getting REALLY sick of snowsucker. Proposal? one or two takes him on, The rest of us? are simply feeding the kitty.

  222. Jd. I have a smoker out back? do you prefer oak, cherry, apple or Cherry, apple oak? You name the meat, I’ll get up at 3 and start it.

  223. Oh…and dry rub or wet sauce? inquiring minds want your opinion

  224. Dry rub, with sauce on the side.

  225. and jalapenos not the weird soggy pickle kind either fresh ones

  226. As everyone knows, I’m a HUGE fan of Republicans.

    If the Republican nominee in 2012 is current front runner Mike Huckabee, would you vote for him over Obama?

  227. KK JD. and Happy? I hate those pickled thingys. Fresh only!!

  228. Yes snowsucker, I would.

  229. I used to eat Portuguese food in the Ironbound, in Newark, NJ. Dozens of great restaurants there. A very safe nice neighborhood, self patrolled, if you will, that starts on the other side of the train station downtown. It has gotten more Brazilian immigrants recently looking for less expensive options from NYC. The Portuguese places skewwed seafood, fowl, and sausage, but inexpensive, big portions and good. They also had inexpensive sirloin steak sandwiches on great crispy Portuguese rolls, but only at the bar at lunch. The paella in those places was awesome and they loved serving giant lobsters (3, 4, 5 lbs) that were surprisingly not tough.

    SPC Jack Klompus, thanks for the Philly Tip.

  230. My dry rub? paprika, smoke seasoning, garlic and onion powder, chili powder, sea salt, a thingy called “gourmet peppercorns” cracked of course….the ribs (or what have you) marinade in that for 12 hours. THEN out to the smoker for another 12-16. I make one HELL of a dipping sauce too.

  231. Joe? You said the magic word. Paella

  232. I forgot the brown sugar in the above….so shoot me, ok?

  233. “If the Republican nominee in 2012 is current front runner Mike Huckabee, would you vote for him over Obama?”

    I’d vote for Corky the Retard over 0bama.

    He’d do a better job.

  234. Comment by Snowcone on 10/2 @ 11:10 am

    A FAIL for Obama is a WIN in my book.

    So you don’t mind if we lose in Afghanistan is Obama is held partly responsible?

    Losing Afghanistan would be a win for Obama. You have been advocating it for weeks now.

  235. If the Republican nominee in 2012 is current front runner Mike Huckabee, would you vote for him over Obama?

    Barely. Point taken, alphtard?

  236. I would say I was gonna go vote for Huckabee but I would just take myself out to a nice breakfast or something. Syrup would probably be involved.

  237. “If the Republican nominee in 2012 is current front runner Mike Huckabee, would you vote for him over Obama?”

    I doubt if I would. It would depend on who the third party candidates are, how they were polling in GA, and how much political clout Obama still has.

  238. I’m about as fond of Huckleberry as I was of McLame, NippleNut (i.e., not at all).

    However, he isn’t a lazy, stupid, incompetent communist, so yeah, I’d have to vote for him.

  239. In case that wasn’t clear, “not a communist” is an important bullet point when it comes to my voting decisions.

  240. If the Republican nominee in 2012 is current front runner Mike Huckabee, would you vote for him over Obama?

    Hell no. I’d vote for neither.

  241. You’re a better man than I am Spies. I just… couldn’t.

  242. #236: Me too, assuming that Corky isn’t a communist.

  243. A Huckabee America would have wall to wall pushback and the Vast Christian Conspiracy would be stopped in its Model T tracks twenty weeks before the guy was sworn in.

    An Obie Barky America perfectly fits with the gross personal fail out there that precedes epic national falls. We’re living a collective looting. All the windows are busted out and the goods are missing.

    The left cannot grasp this, so deep is the collective disorder of their sea of unbridled selfishness.

  244. I’d feel pretty dirty afterward, hf, that’s for sure.

    I was planning to sit out last year until:

    1) McCain added Palin to the ticket.
    2) It became clear that Obama is a communist.

  245. Palin, Huckabee, and Romney may not cut it in 2012. Right now I would prefer Bobby Jindal but I do not think he is going to run. And Pawlenty is not exactly…compelling. But that is what primaries are for.

    I would not mind some new talent.

  246. Huckabee might not be the front runner much longer, a can of whup ass is about to be opened…

  247. Somewhere over on an alternate timeline, Thomas Sowell was the first black President.

    That’s the one I want to be in.

  248. McCain and the jackasses he brought with him continue to actively damage the Republic huh B Moe? No surprise there I guess.

  249. #250: Palin’s book is still at the top on Amazon.

    Check out the lefty meltdown going on in the “customer discussions”.

    Two Becks, a Malkin, and Palin in the top #15.

  250. I do not know if Palin can be the nominee, but I know Steve Schmidt is going to get a public asswhoopin. But hey, he can always work for Lindsay Graham.

  251. I hope Palin nukes the lot of them. What a bunch of back-stabbing little pukes.

  252. Their obvious jealousy bespeaks everything we need to know of their character, I think.

  253. The jealousy, the refusal to accept responsibility or their own irrelevance. If you candidate was so weak the VP could cost you the election, then you had no fucking chance to begin with. That they are too stupid to understand this kind of makes anything they say rather worthless.

  254. You have been advocating it for weeks now.

    A withdrawal from Afghanistan isn’t the same thing as a loss in Afghanistan, B Moe.

  255. Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You:

    John McCain
    Michael Steele
    John Cornyn
    Newt Gingrich
    Mitt Romney
    Mike Huckabee

    in

    “The Vile Bunch”

    (Please excuse the quality of the picture during exhibition, ladies and gentlemen: it’s a very old print…)

  256. A friend told me that some CNN reporter commented, “Oh, to be a fly on the wall in Air Force One right now…”

    If the plane is rocking DO NOT come knocking!

  257. Why are we not discussing the very public cockslapping the world gave to Teh One today?

  258. B Moe, you are right. Unfortuantely I doubt any of the “finalists” (Huckabee and Romney) could have won against Obama, but McCain. But had McCain handled and presented Palin better, he could have won. Picking Palin was a great decision on his part, not a bad one.

  259. How would a withdrawal not be a loss?

  260. 33# Comment by nate on 10/2 @ 10:46 am #
    Fair enough. I probably hated Bush as much as you guys hate Obama, so I know how you feel. Gonna be a long eight years.

    I dunno ’bout you, but I’d take 2003-2006 again over the next two years, let alone four.
    I wouldn’t wager on eight just yet any more than I’d wager on Chicago Olympics at the end of them.

    Any action over who gets thrown under the bus?

    Alec at #126 draws blood.

  261. OT: what would Mozart’s reaction be to the Stone’s “You Can’t Always get What You Want”?

  262. “How would a withdrawal not be a loss?”

    I don’t want this shit for brains president feeding military into his political chipper.

  263. If the Republican nominee in 2012 is current front runner Mike Huckabee, would you vote for him over Obama?

    Oh hell no. I’d write in my own name if nothing else.

    But I live in Georgia, so even if I fradulently cast several thousand votes for Obama it wouldn’t deny Hucka Hucka Burnin’ Fail the state’s electoral votes.

  264. feeding military into his political chipper

    How would pulling our troops out of Afghanistan equal “feeding them into his political chipper?”

  265. “Comment by Snowcone on 10/2 @ 6:11 pm #

    feeding military into his political chipper

    How would pulling our troops out of Afghanistan equal “feeding them into his political chipper?””

    Are you really a fucking moron or do you just play one on TV?

  266. Let me say that the Colombians also know how to BBQ.

  267. Maybe its time to make this a reality?

  268. “How would pulling our troops out of Afghanistan equal “feeding them into his political chipper?””

    b/c president obama is a two bit shit for brains politician who’d sacrifice the military to find the “right” time to pull the plug on this partial birth abortion.

  269. Schmidt was speaking at The Atlantic’s “First Draft of History” Conference in Washington, D.C.

    I know where most “first drafts’ end up. In a round file.

  270. I think this quote from Churchill explains Pres. Obama:

    Baldwin thought Europe was a bore, and Chamberlain thought it was only a greater Birmingham.

    Replace Chamberlain for Obama and Birmingham for Chicago and Europe for not-Cook-County, and I think you got it.

  271. “Schmidt was speaking at The Atlantic’s “First Draft of History” Conference in Washington, D.C.”

    mit grahamensty

  272. Poor Obie Won! You know what happens when you don’t deliver for the bosses in Chicago. There’s probably a horse’s head on its way to Washington right now.

    Only eight-and-a-half months behind the other end :P

  273. Newroter? He’s NOt a ‘President”. Asfar as I can tell? he’s a precident.

    and as an aside to happy? He’s a dirty socailts precedent being puppeted by a dirty hungarian?

    Do I have that right ‘feets?

  274. Ok, I wish the fingers would work. caught in a pressure plate last week? stitches come out monday

    would it KILL you to put in spell check? since I’m the worst, I’ll pay for it

  275. that’s the sad truth my friend…

    I ran home so I could hear that hahaha funny clip Hot Air linked about the CNN anchor what was incredulous Chicago failed and … I don’t get it. That’s not comedy gold. It’s just some CNN douchebag. Sometimes I think those Hot Air People are just… weird.

  276. Blitz if you use firefox it has built-in spell-check. It’s very good except for the effect/affect thing you just have to know cause it won’t catch that one.

  277. also, ouch.

  278. Just for the record, I voted for PALIN, not nasty Mc Cheesy.

    Bmoe had the right of it. and, may I say? FUCK YOU %52%, and the bloody Unicorn you all rode in on.

    May GOD have mercy on all our souls.

  279. ‘feet that cnn clip was up there with oh the humanity cue habitat hobbit j carter

  280. New comp Happy, VISTA is a bitch what is trying it’s best to make me ITS bitch….I say no. I like aol, have 2 young daughters, safer.

    Hot air is good for news, allah is a New Yorker, what more can I say? I do like Ed, do NOT read the comments

    and yes, ouch. all my right han fingertips are stitched, except the first one, so this is all done left handed…

  281. I would have loved to see the look on Daleys face when he got the news. You just know he was shopping for a place in Aspen or Vail.
    Could the president make himself look more like a hick? I don’t think so.

  282. Rusty? I was SURE he went there to make himself look good (in the bag and all that) Now? OH MY GOD….Epic Fail!!!…still laughing

  283. Vista sucks but my 7 crashes even more. A lot of it is Firefox-related though.

  284. I’ve heard of that Happy. I’ve warned folks AWAY from ‘7’ for a while now. NEVER get a WINDOWS system until it’s at least 2 yrs post beta. I do diagnostics as an aside? even me, a total moron, could see inherent problems in the initial proggie.

  285. When the kids comps come back for Christmas vaca? I’ll let you know more.

  286. Jeff, your this from the post?

    “Let’s hope this is just the first of many losses in the President’s endless campaign to purchase himself a legacy.”

    Is my hope. For change? I think it’s already happening…or at least I HOPE there’s a change.

  287. Anyone here eat, or know anyone who eats beef jerky regularly?

    NTTATWWT.

    Yeah, I love that shit, teriyaki or peppered, preferably. It’s fabulous drunk food. Gots protein and everything.

  288. wade rathke and your ilk, just watched megan on fox, go f##k yourself

  289. The presidency of the United States is arranged mostly for foreign policy/national security. That is straight Magruder’s American Government – high school government text.

    But Pres. Obama bumbles along because he thinks he is supposed to be a big city machine mayor.

    Isn’t he supposed to be smart?

  290. Well anyway, my sympathies to the Chicagoans who wanted these Games. I remember the rush of exhilaration we had here in Atlanta in 1990 when “the Olympic Games for 1996 have been awarded to the city of….AHT-LAHN-TAH!!”

  291. Jerky? I got a dehydrator and make it all the time. Usually I do beef, but I got sliced pork tenderloins in soy, brown sugar, maple syrup and spices now (they go into the dehydrator tomorrow).

  292. Beck is a hatey hater.

  293. Has anyone congratulated Chicagoans for Rio?

    I think they’re due for a round of applause. Job well done and all that.

  294. anyone actually listen to the “pitch” given by M’chelle and then Barry?

    No wonder the IOC went “pffft” even though they are the most corrupt bunch outside of Daley’s Chicago.

    Obama invents new ways to say “I” and “me” in every speech.

  295. Darleen: He ain’t the mayor of them – thus the IOC gives the Bronx Cheer.

  296. prepare for a hit piece on pw and its commenters.

  297. MikeyNTH

    Barry move was clueless rookie 101. While it is well within the vague descriptions of what First Ladies do — international feel-good charity/art/good causes schtick — the POTUS reserves his/her considerable authoritative credibility for serious emergencies or showing up to a done deal.

    Here’s The Once turning his [considerable] rhetorical talents all the way up to ELEVENTY!!!1!1 and Chicago is eliminated in round one only winning [IIRC] 19 votes out of 94.

    This is, of course, low level fubar due to hubris, but still…

    and no amount of Leftist whining that somehow this is all BOOOOSH’s fault takes away that Obama shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

  298. JeffG

    Barrett? He’s been dishonest from the start since he recently showed up.

    What IS it with him and his abject hatred of Judeo-Christianity?

  299. prepare for a hit piece on pw and its commenters.

    Batter UP!

    I wanted Baracky to FAIL and he did, in front of the entire world to boot!

  300. I bought pizza rolls and ranch dressing on the way home. I’m prepared as I know to be.

  301. Sacrifice for the chirren not withstanding.

  302. Oh jeeze, Michelle was wearing a table cloth or something.

  303. BTW.
    Much crying in the beer in Mwaukee about this.
    They were hoping to poke their snouts into the trough.

  304. prepare for a hit piece on pw and its commenters

    Dibs on 4,324 words.

  305. The comments at #s 296 & 299 seem out of character. Could they be a troll sock puppetting members of the commentariat?

  306. They sure do.

  307. It’s probably Zogby. No one pays attention to him anymore.

  308. I told Mommy how mean you guys are.

    Nyeah-nyeah-nyeah! So there!

  309. Yo happ’, how many words in teh hit piece pool?

  310. New comp Happy, VISTA is a bitch what is trying it’s best to make me ITS bitch….I say no. I like aol, have 2 young daughters, safer.

    Blitz. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding you in that comment if so sorry. Firefox is simply a browser like Internet Explorer. There are versions for various operating systems, XP, Vista etc. AOL is your internet service provider. Mine is Comcast, this laptop is Vista and my home system is XP. Firefox runs on both. It will work with AOL and Vista.

  311. I’m thinking I’m low.

  312. I had to look up cause someone said about what M’chelle was wearing… I think they mean this

    Maybe she never got to go to her own prom I guess. Looks like her self-absorbed dick husband forgot the corsage.

  313. I’m confident it’ll dazzle.

  314. oh. My 7 is a 7 64 which probably is 90% of the problem. Something in this world really has it out for the whole 64 thing.

  315. And #290 shows that I did misunderstand you. Not enough sleep lately is my only excuse. Plus doing this while working.

  316. oh. words. I bet… 3416.

    I hope he’s nice. There’s been a lot of gratuitous not niceness lately.

  317. Back on the nominal topic:

    I see via AoSHQ that Jesse Jackson is blaming Bush for Chicago not getting the Olympics.

  318. Because it’s hockey season.

  319. Jesse Jackson is blaming Bush for Chicago not getting the Olympics

    good lord, there is a lot of that going around among The One worshippers.

  320. There’s a small chain of Brazilian BBQ in SLC, Denver, and Fort Collins.

    Rodizio Grill

    Vegetarians served. On a spit.

  321. I bet… 3416

    Thousand or million?

  322. FWIW – That was not me in #296. One of the cowardly fucking asshat trolls was to fucking scared to put its own name to its lies. Darleen – any way to tell which one that was?

  323. With this, “Additionally, the piece will be updated as necessary to link to any response,” I don’t see how a total final length of Barrett’s piece can be determined. It will be the ever expanding article. But hey, put me down for an even 5 grand.

  324. sock puppets? I thought you were being sarcastic at 296.

  325. scared to put its own name to its lies

    Lies?

    Does the Right really not see how alone it is in its hatred today?

    Wonder if Palin will dive into the sewer with y’all?

  326. I bet Barrett is mendoucheous within the first paragraph.

    And it pisses me off to no end when the fucking cowardly trolls hijack other people’s names.

  327. It’s only been a week since the last time hasn’t it JD?

  328. I bet Barrett is mendoucheous within the first paragraph.

    But JD, people were RUDE to Barrett. On the INTERNET!

    Oh, the HUMANITY!

    It’s not just Barrett being a whiny little bitch who got his verbal ass handed to him. Nope. There’s a PRINCIPLE at stake here!

  329. snotcone

    you are projecting again with that “hatred”. I don’t know the Obamas so I can’t hate them. I can and do oppose Obama’s “Change” because it is anathema to American principles and values.

    Dissent and defense is not hate, no matter how you try and say it is.

  330. That’s when I wish for that IP hash that Ace has.

  331. What is that and how does it work geoffb?

  332. I knew that wasn’t you JD, that’s why I called attention to the sock puppetting of your handle. Who knows who’s coming here and doing it; especially since the proggs are being drawn here like moths to a flame in their rage to blame someone else for Obama’s amateurish mistake in how he dealt woth the IOC…

    What they need to be worried about are his misguided dealings with Iran. http://tiny.cc/ARYyW

    An amateur mistake there could leave a more permanent scar-so to speak…

  333. “Hot air is good for news, allah is a New Yorker, what more can I say? I do like Ed, do NOT read the comments.”
    Allahpundit is basically Charles Johnson Lite. Although he doesn’t ban commenters …yet.

  334. Thanks to those of you that knew that was most certainly not me. Notice how yellowsnow showed right back up after that?
    Sdferr – I attract their ire. It seems that every coward that starts sock-puppeting uses my name. It is infuriating.

    I wonder if Barrett’s expose on discourse will point out the liars, Moby’s, sock puppets, and abject mendoucheity of the Leftists, his ilk.

  335. Speculation warning.

    It uses some algorithm to turn your IP addy into a number unique to that addy and appends it to the Comment by line. If someone else tries to fake your name the number will be different and gives the show away.

  336. Re: Lympics

    In The Ed Morrissey Show chatroom today, I proposed honoring the København decision by referring to the Rio games as the Ølympics, and henceforth the PØTUS’ surname aØbama. Much Pythonesque discussion of Møøse ensued.

  337. When you go to Rio for the Olympics, stay at a cheap hotel in somewhere like Leblon, or farther west – way out of the way, or over in Niteroi to the east, across the bridge.

    During the day, don’t bother to go to the games, or the beach – way too hot and sweaty, and too much chance of robbery. Instead, take a taxi to the Copacabana Palace Hotel (yes, *the* Copacabana Palace Hotel), walk like a potentate past the front desk up three steps and then turn sharp left and go straight ahead to the pool (stop to buy towels or bath robes if you like). Give the pool boy your credit card, and ask that the drinks and food keep coming as you watch the Olympian frolics on flat screen, and occasionally cool down in the pool. Stay under the umbrellas – these are the tropics.

    At night, head in to Centro to dance forro (a sort of fast waltz) or watch capoeira.

    Definitely see the Maracana, and read about the 1950 world cup soccer match between Brazil and Uruguay. Visit the Institute of Cachaca. Take a favela tour (hold on to your wallet). See Ronny Biggs’ place up in Santa Katarina (take the bondinho).

    Oh, right, Sugarloaf Mountain, Christ the Redeemer. Yeah. Right. Well, these are big, but they’re in a huge city. Which has a subway.

    Oh!!! H. Stern for GREAT watches and jewelry!!!

    GOD!!!!! I LOVE RIO!!! WHAT A GREAT CITY!

    I mean, they even have a pub that used to be called “Adolf’s”, but the owner renamed it after Hitler took power.

    Don’t get me wrong: it’s a bit dangerous, and a bit dirty, and you have a decent chance of getting ripped off, but what a vibrant, lively, beautiful, lively city.

    Outside the US, I’ve never been to anywhere better. Including Paris. And I love Paris. Oh, and London.

    I’m so happy for the Cariocas.

  338. “as Øbama”.

    I want a goddamn Preview button.

  339. Thanks for the fill-in, geoffb. I don’t read over there very often so haven’t paid any attention to the finer points… had they been plagued with sockpuppeting to the extent that it became a necessity or was it merely deemed a useful tool to install? Sounds like a fairly strong deterrent in any event though.

  340. Dr Lombardi,
    I get the impression that on the contemporary political spectrum, AllahP lies somewhere between a RINO and a Blue Dog Democrat. I think he was far more liberal before 9/11. And, while he’s too young for firsthand knowledge of early 80’s politics, I believe there was probabaly a time when he bad mouthed Reagan with the rest of the NYC lefties…

    But it seems like 9/11 put his worldview into a whole new, and more nuanced, context…

    He’s pretty funny with the snark though, and you’re right that the comment threadds get out of hand quickly; a lot of trolls in the threads. But, FWIW he seems to read most of the threads to his posts…

  341. Senator finally admits to not being the sharpest knife and that all of them are just as dull. Public is still farther down as they don’t even realize how dumb they are unlike the Senators who at least know.

  342. This is where I’d like to see Jeff re-interview the enormous misshapen head of zombie Ted Kennedy.

  343. I really don’t know if they are/were plagued. I think they eat trolls after covering them in bacon and downing plenty of cheap vodka. It does also mean that if you post under a different name, say “Barry O!” people know who is doing it.

  344. #353, Right on dude.

  345. My lifelong goal was for Chicago to… universal healthcare!

    Don’t let me down Osama… last Kennedy!

  346. I say we put out a contract on dis “Rio” guy. Nobody fucks wit us and gets away wit it!

  347. Just a comment from somebody nobody really likes or cares about.

    Nate is debatable. I can understand why he hates Bush. I think he’s wrong and misguided but so much propaganda from people you know will seriously influence a persons’ thinking. I contrast nate with snowcone, who is impossibly misguided and uses his/her political opinions as an offensive weapon. Personally, I think the right (in all its forms, as evidenced here) needs to find the common ground with those on the left that may actually believe Obama is indeed unqualified to lead this country.

    I didn’t like McCain at all but pulled the lever for him over Obama. I would have done so as well if Hillary was the nominee. However, I think Hillary would have been politically savvy enough to realize the backlash that would come from trying to push through 4-5 extremely liberal policies in the first year you’re in office. Honestly, I blame Axelrod, Ayres the the rest of Obama’s inner circle, all of whom are smarter and understand if they don’t ride the Obama popularity wave in the first year, will have NO chance of passing any far left agendas, once Hillary declares. She’ll tact to the middle and as such, is likely the candidate for the dems in 2012. If it was me, right now, I’d run Romney to fix the economy and I’d make him swear he would not cave in to pressure for health care, as he did in Massuchusetts. It should be noted I don’t give a flying crap that he’s a mormon. He’s a financial wiz and I think he can get this country back on track. Run Palin in 2016 with a strong VP and we have this.

    Just my opinion. But I’d separate nate from snowcone/alphie etc as someone who if cannot be convinced, at least is savvy enough to make me listen and not immediately punch him in the face.

  348. Let’s hope this is just the first of many losses in the President’s endless campaign to purchase himself a legacy.

    I’m on board.

  349. Comment by Snowcone on 10/2 @ 9:48 pm

    Does the Right really not see how alone it is in its hatred today?

    Wonder if Palin will dive into the sewer with y’all?

    How about that for a complete and utter lack of self awareness?

  350. How about that for a complete and utter lack of self awareness?

    Pot, meet kettle.

    Haha, you guys smeared poopy all over yourselves to day.

    Well done.

  351. You’re right, snowcone. Obama is an awesome president.

    Admit it, it just sounds funny when you state it in the positive, doesn’t it?

  352. Just my opinion. But I’d separate nate from snowcone/alphie etc as someone who if cannot be convinced, at least is savvy enough to make me listen and not immediately punch him in the face.

    Dude, this is the comments section of a blog, not the Algonquin Round Table. I agree that someone like Nate, or even Barrett, merit a different level of discourse than buffoons like snowcone or william yelverton/theas do, but these threads become more of a cacophony than a linear argument. People comment in haste. People you’re in general agreement with make bad arguments that veer the discussion off course. Joe posts off-topic spam. A seemingly intelligent lefty willfully misrepresents a previous comment in a response and people get irritated. Different people, at different times, have simply had their fill of lefties and unload on the nearest available target. Et cetera. I guess the bottom line is you really have to be able to enjoy the whole sloppy mess that is blog comments for what it is because appeals like yours are sort of like trying to herd cats.

  353. Sad, so sad. I can’t tell you how much I wanted to add my small chunk of cash to the “Help Enrich Valerie and Richard Jr. Fund”. A truly tragic loss for all concerned. Hyde Park, we feel your pain.

  354. It’s also nice to see this blog show it’s true colors. Some great classy Americans here.

    Some citizen of the world you are. Good for Brazil. They can incur the obscene cost of hosting the Olympics. The USA will still win infinitely more medals than they will, and that’s the only rooting interest that matters as Americans. By the way, while we have found some amusement in this today, note that, as per usual, left-wingers were the only people who opposed the olympics being in Chicago and felt the need to behave like childish jackasses.

  355. Pictures of the moonbats referenced in 368.

  356. I mean, in 367.

  357. Poor Abe,

    Do you really imagine yourself to be separate from your comrades here who cheered when America lost today?

  358. From Barrett, whom I spoke with today. Which I did because he let me know that Dan Collins had agreed to speak with him. About this site. So I thought I’d better, too:

    I understand your concerns on all of these fronts, but as you’ll see from the article and the follow-ups:

    1. These incidents are not “cherry-picked”, but are instead actually quite representative of the manner in which commenters debate, and in fact, I don’t think it would be easy to find any more than one or two threads in which I have been treated civilly or in which some ridiculous failure of logic or intellectual honesty has not been in evidence on the part of my opponents.

    2. It is true that there are “thousands of comments where they haven’t behaved terribly;” most of these, of course, involve the regulars talking to each other about things upon which they agree. If you look at the subset of comments in which these same regulars are talking to me about things upon which we disagree, the majority are at least somewhat uncivil at the very least, and many of those are exceedingly hostile – I have been called a fascist dozens of time, had my self, my personal life, my work, my capabilities, and my background assailed dozens of times and in a variety of ways, been accused of racism without any evidence given, had it suggested that I was molested as a child, had it suggested that I have no penis or an empty ballsack, been cursed at more times than I can count, and otherwise treated poorly. It is the right of all of these people to do all of these things. Likewise, it is my right to point out that these things have been done. It’s your right to express your opposition to my decision to point out these things, just as it’s also your right not to express much opposition to the people who did all of this in the first place.

    3. You’re absolutely correct that “if the discourse on MY site represents, in your mind, a serious problem — then it’s fair to say that the discourse on other sites represents a much much much much much much more serious problem.” That is the point of the article – that if it is found here, it must be much worse elsewhere, and that thus we have a very serious problem in this country with regards to our discourse as a whole.

    4. I would happily point to any threads “in which the discourse has been sophisticated rather than uncivil,” and will mention and link to any such threads that are pointed out to me by anyone who would like to do so. This will sound flippant, but it is true – I do not know where to find many threads of the sort. Even if there are two or three in existence, they are very much in the minority. Again, if anyone can find a thread in which I am dealt with honestly, competently, and civilly, or in which I myself do something that would warrant the extraordinarily viscous reaction that I have received, they are free to trumpet them from Protein Wisdom or anywhere else and I will point to them from my article as well. This is an unusual concession from someone who is writing about people who have attacked him, and, frankly, is a much better deal than some of these people have earned by way of their conduct.

    Again, I understand that you expect me to produce something that does not accurately reflect what it is that I am writing about. That’s not how I operate.

    Awesome! Guess I deserve this for being one of the few sites that actually allows for debate.

  359. Jefferson,
    We are not rooting against America – it’s been Obama who has been globe-trotting telling the world how bad America is.
    It’s obvious he convinced the IOC.

    What kind of son-of-a-bitch talks his country down while traveling the world? He is supposed to be the President of this country, but seems like he would rather be Premier of China.

    Obama IS NOT America. What part of that do you not understand?
    Unlucky for you, the rest of the country is catching on to Obama.

    Don’t talk to us about “classy Americans” – when both of those words are completely alien to Obama.

    Obama did this to himself.

    America won today. Daley and his mob lost.

  360. Poor Abe,

    Do you really imagine yourself to be separate from your comrades here who cheered when America lost today?

    Is that supposed to make sense dummy? I think it is absolutely hilarious that Obama got slapped in the face like this. For the first time in my adult life I’m truly proud of our planet!

  361. Don’t feel too bad Jeff.
    I’ve been laid off and may end up losing my house.
    The world does suck sometimes. Do not give up – I am not going to give up.

  362. Also, Botafogo is a good hangout.

    (I mean, keep slaughtering the Anti-Christ, obviously….)

  363. Rio is full of these places called “Sucos”, where you can get fresh fruit drinks. Smoothies, as they are called, here in the US.

    For me, the best is acai con granola. This is a heaping bowl of pureed acai, with granola. It’s a little slice of heaven.

    Mind you, you will poop. Still. Acai.

  364. I am currently working on an article which, though it will not be finished until a bit later this weekend, has prompted Jeff Goldstein to announce that he may be shutting down his blog Protein Wisdom, itself a staple of the political blogosphere for nearly a decade. I’m not entirely sure why he’s putting the breaks to a successful blog simply because I’m planning on making fun of some of the people who contribute there in the process of making a point about the future of foreign relations – which, incidentally, is what I’m haphazardly trying to do – but it’s obviously his decision.

    As I’ve explained to him and others, I will link to and address any responses, no matter how deranged or ridiculous, that anyone associated with the blog would like to make. But, as I’ve also explained, I am indeed going to be making several people look really, really bad. This is a terrible shame, but of course I need examples if I’m going to prove my thesis.

    The piece will most likely appear here Saturday evening.

    Does anyone else see a gaudy neon sign flashing DORK – DORK – DORK?

    Soon, in this space, I will be posting 10,000 words on Barrett’s missing penis. But first, I’m gonna go tell my Mom what a self important twatwaffle he is.


    “Mom! Barrett’s being a douchebag again!”

  365. It’s great to see one conservative NAIL it on this subject!

    An MSNBC host quoted at Alternet. Reagan wept.

  366. Did you click the link Pablo? I’m getting a Taxi Driver meets Kip from Napoleon Dynamite vibe

  367. 1. These incidents are not “cherry-picked”, but are instead actually quite representative of the manner in which commenters debate, and in fact, I don’t think it would be easy to find any more than one or two threads in which I have been treated civilly or in which some ridiculous failure of logic or intellectual honesty has not been in evidence on the part of my opponents.

    It will be interesting to look at this. I don’t think he had to cherry pick them, we do have some regulars who don’t suffer fools gladly, myself among them. But I think a tendency of Barrett’s to focus and flame the hostility while ignoring the civil responders will be apparent, as will his pathological condescension.

  368. Unbelievable:

    I’m not entirely sure why he’s putting the breaks to a successful blog simply because I’m planning on making fun of some of the people who contribute there in the process of making a point about the future of foreign relations…

    I wonder if spelling it “breaks” is intended to make his immaturity more charming?

  369. Maybe that bulwarks the willful obtuseness. Or something.

    This may be that big story they’ve been missing.

    “I’m the King of the world, Ma!”

  370. 8 people are going to find out that PW regulars are mean. Then those 8 people will tell someone and then all of a sudden you’ve got a mob of 12. This is not good.

  371. I’m planning on making fun of some of the people who contribute there in the process of making a point about the future of foreign relations…

    Just felt that needed further emphasis.

  372. Stop laughing, he is serious.

  373. We have always been at war with Barrettistan.

  374. You know that feeling you get when you’ve got a big bad secret and suddenly you find Mike Wallace approaching? No, me neither. But I think I smell a flaming bag of dog shit.

  375. Did you click the link Pablo? I’m getting a Taxi Driver meets Kip from Napoleon Dynamite vibe

    With a dollop of Deliverance, yeah.

  376. This all started when people were mean about how Obama ripped his shirt off and flew out of the phone booth to Copenhagen and some people felt there were more important things for him to do other than give some last-minute “I, me, I, my, me, I, I, me, I, me.” speech.

    Look at it this way. What if, say, George W Bush was planning to go to, say, Beijing to support the Olympic athletes and all of a sudden people were screeching that “he has more important things to do than go watch games.” Wouldn’t that hurt your feelings if that ever happened? Imagine. You can imagine that, right?

  377. Maybe he is trying to demonstrate the futility of talking to small minded, vindictive pricks?

    Can’t stop laughing…

  378. By the way, I’m planning on making fun of Obama in my next comment and simultaneously making a point about his foreign relations incompetence all at the same time in my next comment.

  379. “Hey John. I’ve scratched down some notes for my speech in Copenhagen. Can you punch it up a little?”

    *unfolds napkin and lays it on John’s desk.

    John reads:

    I, me, I, me, my, I, I , I , me, me, me, my, I, I, I, me, I, me, me, I, I, me.

    “I’ll need that in 20 minutes.”

  380. Incidentally, I just made fun of Obama in my last comment and in the process demonstrated his foreign policy incompetence. You may comment on the wonderment if you like. I will note any comments.

  381. I think I’ll write a detailed, link rich expose on how uncivil you are, alp. Look for it at mymomwontevenreadthis.com

  382. People were mean to Barrett because he was a douchenozzle, and it reflects poorly on the future of foreign relations, as it will keep the classic liberals like BB from explaining the mindset that would lead a classic liberal to support Obama.

  383. From a journalism standoint, how ethical is it to make oneself part of a story by intentionally agitating and inflaming a group of people, just so you can write an article about how mean they are?

    Given Barrett’s general mendoucheity in his interactions here, I cannot imagine anything even remotely fair from him, and in fact, given what he has written above, it seems clear that he just wants to really really really embarass some people that have been very mean to poor widdle ole unfairly treated Barrett.

  384. Mr. Barret Brown really rhymes with Mr. Michael Moore. It’s true!

    Speaking of Mr. Michael Moore, and we are, I understand he’s been forced to open the curtain and expose something. It’s the Right!

    ‘Capitalism’ Opens Today at a Theater Near You! …an invitation from Michael Moore

    Friday, October 2nd, 2009

    Friends,

    For two months, we’ve sat and watched the rabid right achieve the unimaginable: Derail universal health care and send the Democrats in Congress running for cover. Many have asked, “How did this happen? How could a small minority of angry people control the public agenda? Where is the majority’s response? Why the silence?”

    I don’t have the answers to all these questions. But I do know this: I’ve had enough. As far as I’m concerned, Tea Bag Nation ends today — at noon to be precise. For that’s when I set loose, on a thousand screens across this great land, a movie I’ve made that’s so relentless, so dangerous, so damning in its humor, that it will — I can only hope — do what no movie has done before: Take them down, take them all down, once and for all.

    The days of the majority of Americans being ignored and played for chumps are over as of right now. This weekend, consider your local cinema the REAL town hall meetings! Come and spend two hours with hundreds of other people who are fed up and in need of a bit of inspiration — and a good hearty laugh at the expense of all the S.O.B.s who’ve wrecked our economy and laid ruin to our democracy.

    I’m personally inviting you to come see what many critics are saying is my best film yet: “Capitalism: A Love Story.” You will not be disappointed. I will show you things and tell you things about how the captains of corporate America have stolen our country from us. No one on the nightly news is bringing these truths to you. Beginning at noon today, I pull back the curtain and reveal who’s responsible for the calamity we’re in. That’s right — I name names and I explain why this economic system we have is nothing more than legalized greed, and Wall Street is nothing more than a crime syndicate in suits. You will be blown away by what you see, but you will not leave the theater in a pit of despair. I’m counting on your response to be one of exhilaration and determination. I’ve watched this movie in sneak previews with audiences from Pittsburgh to L.A. and I’ve never seen more hooting and hollering during a documentary in my life. There are actually standing O’s during the movie! Weird. Cool. Down in front!

    Please see “Capitalism: A Love Story” this weekend. Take a bunch of friends and make it an event. Last weekend in New York and L.A. many shows sold out (making “Capitalism” the biggest per screen average at the box office for 2009), so get your tickets early. And if you get a chance, send me a photo of what opening night looks like in your city and I’ll post it on my website.

    C’mon, friends — RISE UP! This is our moment. And it comes with popcorn! Not bad!

    Thank you so very much for all your support and encouragement over the years.

    Yours,
    Michael Moore

    All I can do is gasp, gasping as I did when Mr. Michael Moore slipped edgewise into the Conan O’Brien this week show to expose. Never before seen footage of that Ronald Reagan.

    It’s truly over, folks and fellow rightest tycoons, and we have only angry minorities to blame.

  385. Oh Barrett, I’ve tried so hard to be what you need me to be. I can change, I can do better. Please, please don’t leave me. (sobs uncontrollably) Please.

    Oh Barrett!

  386. Mr. Brown is earning a blistering half dozen views an hour. This could get ugly. We’ll all know soon! I hope!

  387. intentionally agitating and inflaming a group of people

    The hype around True/Slant this morning comes entirely from journalists intrigued by True/Slant’s pay-per-pageview scheme

  388. Comment by JD on 10/3 @ 5:56 am #

    Wait.

    HE wants to embarass US?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!

    OHOHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!

    BBWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!

    [stops to wipe tears of laughter from eyes]

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!11!!!!eleventy!!!1!!@!

  389. Is MM going to let everyone in to see his movie for free?

  390. So, ah, what I get out of this, is their organized crime family, fucked Obama’s organized crime family, and in doing so handed the Olympics to a country uniquely unqualified (See Pan Am games) to carry it off.

    It’s the Olympics. It takes cash Obama, you’ve lost sight of the game. You think it’s all about you (First of course), your shemale, and a 14″ strap on.

    Why is this guy always called smart?

  391. I don’t think that shutting down PW will heal the country.

  392. Ha!

    “Some of my best memories are sitting on my dad’s lap, cheering on Olga and Nadia, Carl Lewis, and others for their brilliance and perfection.”

    Um. Ew. Oof.

    Mrs. Obama was 20 years old when Lewis first competed in the Olympics in 1984.

  393. BB taking on PW on his site strikes me as a little bit like an eight-week-old kitten trying to kill and eat a buffalo. It’ll be cute and funny at first, then tragic.

    Anybody got a shoebox lying around for the inevitable conclusion? We’re talking a shovel-ready project, so that’s a plus.

  394. “Go then, there are other worlds than these.”

  395. The hype around True/Slant this morning comes entirely from journalists intrigued by True/Slant’s pay-per-pageview scheme

    Ah. All the more reason not to bother, guinsPen.

  396. On topic the topic of this thread, I know it’s been pointed out by others, but how does someone as super smart as Obama think that he can basically shit on the US in every international forum since he’s been sworn in, then turn on a dime and tell the world that we’re good to go for the Olympics? If he wanted to keep his international message consistent (yeah, I know, work with me here) he would have gone to Denmark and told the IOC how their decision would be good no matter what, since one country is better than any other country.

  397. “…since one country is better than any other country.”

    No one you know, didn’t you mean to have a “no” in there, as in “since no one country is better than any other country”?

  398. If they ever make the movie of Cryptonomicon, BB can play Andrew Loeb.

    I wonder who would work for G.E.B. Kivistik?

  399. “so get your tickets early.”

    hey fat mike are the tickets free?

  400. sdferr @ 412

    Why, yes I did. My apologies. Just read Victor David Hanson’s take on this, and makes the same point, I feebly attempted to make, with much more panache. He also made the point that Obama had no business being there without the outcome already known. I don’t know about that. I can see that spin either way.
    1. It takes courage for a president to risk something (don’t know how much in this case) and come away empty handed.
    2. He’s not very bright to risk this without knowing the outcome beforehand. He and/or his handlers should have done better in terms of prep work.
    3. And this one’s my favorite. He thought that the sheer power of his Obamaness would seal the deal.

    Don’t know if the last part’s true, but if it is, we as a nation, are in for some seriously rough times ahead.

  401. Mr. Brown is earning a blistering half dozen views an hour. This could get ugly. We’ll all know soon! I hope!

    He can’t hit the Refresh button more often than that? Lazy sumbitch.

  402. @17 Pablo

    This is all Rush Limbaugh’s fault. You damned dirty right wingers!

    He nailed it, really…

    “You know, human beings are human beings, they have jealousies. This is the IOC’s show, it wasn’t The Obama Show. They came over there, they tried to hijack the whole thing and the IOC bitch slapped them. It’s no more complicated than that.”

  403. Well, now you all know my e-mail address.

    SPAM ME BITCHES~!

  404. Jeff, I wish you would write a book. Leave pw to Darleen to run (if she wants to) and take a sabatical. Or close it down and take a sabatical. Very few people get rick running blogs. Like sex, you often have to do some unsavory things to make it work as a business proposition.

    And getting back to the main topic of this post, here is an account from inside Air Force One on the ride home:

    A sense of stunned bewilderment suffused Air Force One and the White House. Only after the defeat did many advisers ask questions about the byzantine politics of the Olympic committee. Valerie Jarrett, the president’s senior adviser and a Chicago booster who persuaded him to make the trip while at the United Nations last week, had repeatedly compared the contest to the Iowa caucuses.
    But officials said the administration did not independently verify Chicago’s chances, relying instead on the Chicago 2016 committee assertions that the city had enough support to finish in the top two. Mr. Obama, Michelle Obama, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Ms. Jarrett worked the phones in recent weeks without coming away with a sense of how behind Chicago really was.

    Unfortunately Jeff, when it comes to the state of classical liberalism and current American politics, there is a lot of material out there for you to write about.

  405. So basically, Joe, the Obamas committed the mistake of believing their own hype. Telling, that.

  406. 396.Comment by JD on 10/3 @ 5:50 am #

    People were mean to Barrett because he was a douchenozzle, and it reflects poorly on the future of foreign relations, as it will keep the classic liberals like BB from explaining the mindset that would lead a classic liberal to support Obama.

    Classic Liberal my ass! He stated he was a libertarian, yet didn’t know that Christine Smith was the head of the Libertarian Party. He knew nothing about the LP platform, and supposedly was supporting Bob Barr.

  407. Don’t know if the last part’s true, but if it is, we as a nation, are in for some seriously rough times ahead.

    Oh, it’s true. I think that’s the whole point of this latest in a long line of fiascos.
    He saw the “It’s all about The O” commercial, and took it as a sign or something.

    Malignant narcissism knows no bounds.

    What happened to the whole “Outlaw” thing? Just because BB and his ilk are going to try and change the subject, Jeff wants to fold his tent? Bah!

    I judge a man by the enemies he collects. Friends may come, and friends may go, but enemies are forever.

  408. serr8d @ 417

    If that’s true, then it really shows a difference from his first international visits and now. Remember how he was treated when he first went overseas? Everyone was trying to get their picture taken with him, getting some of that reflected glory?

    Joe @ 419

    If the NYT’s take is to be believed (where’s my 12 lb. grain of salt?) doesn’t that speak to a kind of political ineptness to say the least?

  409. No one you know,

    Part of the problem we have when we try to disentangle the arguments that Obama presents in order to see whether his message to some audience or other are consistent one with another is that in many instances it may be the case that his messages or speeches are not even consistent within themselves. We may find — and the UN speech in particular might serve us as an outstanding example — that he contradicts himself within the space of a few paragraphs.

    That isn’t to say we should be excused from the task of trying to understand him though, as if because he may have been found to be inconsistent here or there, we can safely ignore his current or coming pronouncements of opinion or policy as so much illogical *piffle* so to speak, but ought instead to spur us to make an even greater effort to get a grasp of his stance or stances, as our interests may be, nay, will be directly at stake in the execution of his opinion or policy in the world. So let me say, I admire your effort at questioning what Obama was up to with his address to the IOC. Carry on.

    Oh, and thanks for the tip to VDH, I’ll endeavor to read him after a bit.

  410. Pablo: Does anyone else see a gaudy neon sign flashing DORK – DORK – DORK?

    Oh, yeah. I’m betting that Barrett spent a good portion of his high school (and maybe college) years with his head stuffed into a toilet.

    JD: From a journalism standoint, how ethical is it to make oneself part of a story

    Not at all. But we already knew about Barrett’s strong commitment to ethical behavior, didn’t we?

    B. Moe (in jest): Stop laughing

    Not possible. I am sorry that Jeff got upset by this whiny little faux-libertarian’s public tantrum, though.

    One would think that a libertarian would appreciate that Jeff allows almost unlimited freedom of speech around here. It’s not Jeff’s fault that Barrett couldn’t hack it. Not Jeff’s fault that Barrett’s high school debate tricks didn’t work. Not Jeff’s fault that we’re capable of recognizing and pointing out common informal fallacies (including Barrett’s faves, the tu quoque, the plurium interrogatum, and the red herring). Not Jeff’s fault that after the thirtieth or fortieth incident of intellectual dishonesty we stopped engaging Barrett and switched to making fun of him. Not Jeff’s fault that we (sometimes) refused to let Barrett drag the conversation off-topic into the areas that Barrett insisted on talking about, e.g., his pathological obsession with the Catholic Church.

    Here’s a clue, Barrett: attacking the Catholic Church in, say, the year 1500 might have made you edgy, brave, a force for intellectual liberty. Doing it in 2009, not so much. I’ve known many people like Barrett, both here (nishbot comes to mind) and in real life. They’re poseurs — only attacking people and institutions who they know won’t fight back. Barrett knows that he faces zero risk of the Inquisition showing up on his doorstep. Plus, a posture of militant atheism makes Daddy yell and Grandma cry at family gatherings, thus ensuring that the poseur is always the center of attention. Bonus!

    guinsPen: True/Slant’s pay-per-pageview scheme

    He thinks people will PAY to read his plaintive whimperings? Really? When probably 80% of the regulars here have TrollHammered his ass?

    Ooooo-kay.

    I won’t bother reading Barrett’s lugubrious jeremiad unless someone quotes it here. I already know how Barrett operates; that he’s now casting himself as a brave investigative journalist, tearing the lid of the seamy side of the Internet, surprises me not a bit.

    Aside to Barrett’s five or six readers: you might ask yourself why Barrett spent a year or more in the company of people who were just so gosh-darned mean to him. Is it really news that people are sometimes rude to each other on the Web? Really? This was something that needed a !!!!SHOCKING EXPOSE!!!?

    Snicker.

  411. If they ever film the “Necronomicon” I’m thinking Barlett wears a red shirt and gets eaten by Cthulhu.

  412. #371
    Distilling it down to its essence; The PW regulars won’t play by my rules so I’m going to run and tattle to dad.

    He was treated very well when he first arrived until it was determined that he was not an honest broker of ideas. I might not be as well educated or as smart as most of the people here, but I’ve been around long enough to be able to spot bullshit when I meet it.

    As for turning off the spigot, that’s your call, but please don’t. It’s a small but necessary refuge.

    Finally;
    Way to go, Barret, you fucking pussy!

  413. @NoOne, If we ‘follow the money’ (that’s an axiom we shouldn’t disregard in any consideration of politics) then Richard Fernandez thinks Obama just failed to bring enough ca$h to Copenhagen…

    President Obama spoke fine words, but he didn’t bring enough goodies.

    Yes, goodies. In the great wide world the fine portals open into courtyards that are not all they seem. Amid the fine words, gleaming crystal, white-coated waiters, the green baize tables, the Ivy League accents — the entire august setting — two basic modes of doing business remain: cash on the barrel or a gun to the head. That is how the players deal among themselves. The fine music and lofty words – is all for the consumption of audiences who think His Excellencies are really excellent or that David Letterman is funny when he tells a fifteen minute story about how he had sex with his employees and got blackmailed for it. At least Letterman knew enough to press charges. That wasn’t funny. But the fact that people were laughing was.

    A lesson learned. I’m thinking it’s a lesson in humility, finally.

  414. In the words of the chronic alcoholic drunk driver philosopher Rodney Kingcan’t we all just get along?

  415. “He was treated very well when he first arrived…”

    I don’t think that this characterizes what actually happened very well. At the least, as I recollect it, Brown’s comments and hence political stance were met with a hail of misunderstanding and mischaracterization from the get-go, prompting a long and prickly sorting out. That Brown played to this misunderstanding, stirring the pot, so to speak, intentionally, seemed clear to me at the time, and just such behavior has been his evident choice ever since.

  416. serr8d @ 428

    If it’s the case that he simply did not make those envelopes fat enough, then it does speak to his arrogance. Obama thought that the mere fact that HE was going to Copenhagen would be enough to tip the scales. What can you say?

  417. serr8d@428:

    But they did bring goodies. The Danes got to see Him in the Flesh, to see the Holy Concubine, and to hear Their Pronouncements. It just wasn’t enough for the ungrateful bastards.

  418. Curse you, no one you know, and your typing ability!

  419. The hype around True/Slant this morning comes entirely from journalists intrigued by True/Slant’s pay-per-pageview scheme

    So that’s why Tom BB Thumb is picking a fight here — in hopes we’ll all follow his trackback link and earn him some of that big, big money.

    On top of everything else, he’s a whore.

  420. Ummm, I just got here, just read #371.

    I’ve always considered Barrett Brown a model ‘troll'; funny, worth reading and not someone I’d hack away at under most circumstances.

    But he’s one standout in the ever-slimming minority. We’ve seen the thors, the snotcones, and every rendition of asshole that the Left can produce; the low lifes who stream through here a thousand to the O!ne Barrett Brown. Again, I think the answer is in installing the newest form of simple login, the Discus or (my favorite), the TypePad Connect WordPress plug-in. Because truly anonymous commenters are not worth allowing to destroy a site.

    Jeff, the internet has changed significantly since you started blogging. While allowing every person free reign to comment was great in theory, that theory isn’t working in today’s shitstream of losers.

    If you have to pay for a plugin, I’ll be the first to ante up.

  421. I don’t like that meya one. Cause of she’s a stupid fascist.

  422. I don’t think PW had anything to do with Obama’s joke status in the world.

    You can’t blame this on anyone but yourselves. http://twitpic.com/jz46x

  423. #371 JeffG

    Don’t you find it interesting that Barrett won’t speak to me?

    And where is his tolerance for the “culture” that the commenters have here? This is not a blue-blood debate club where we thumb through our thesaurus, tut-tuting and coming up with another brilliant line of rhetoric in hopes of convincing the inconvincable. People who disagree in good faith are treated seriously here but the fools and poseurs (like Barrett) are going to be treated like someone who drops by the backyard BBQ and starts insulting the guests.

    Even Bill Buckley reached a point where the gratuitous condescension of rotten Gore Vidal deserved nothing more than the threat of knocking his teeth out.

    The Left and certain factions of rabid-athiest “libertarians” like Barrett are shocked, shocked I tell you, when the people they despise decide not to go into the camps quietly.

    Why won’t Barrett speak to me? Hell, I’ll give him my phone number. I’m sure like nate above, he has this cartoon character of me in his head and he is afraid I’m going to not live up to it.

  424. “Why won’t Barrett speak to me?”

    Could be his daimonion warning him off Darleen. Ha!

  425. The money quote from Richard Fernandez(cited above): …………… The point of American exceptionalism is not to become like the world but to change it, if only in one place. And the world, strangely enough, expects America to act like America, not someone who aspires to be one of the boys. The lesson was cheap at the price. Being the 44th President of the US isn’t so bad; not if one understands what it means. It’s a lot better than applying for a club, which come to think of it, you don’t want to be admitted as a member; and least not on its terms, when there are so much better things to do.

    Problem being that Barky desperately wants to be in the club.

  426. BTW, Barrett: If you’re reading this (and I know you are) you might want to educate yourself before engaging in further self-beclowning. Your reception here was 100% predictable, and your observations are neither novel nor particularly interesting.

  427. As Ace noted (well not exactly but he had the link), well it is just a link.

  428. An OT link in the “you can’t (and wouldn’t) make this shit up” category of news: Ahmadenijad used to be Sabourjian.

  429. #444: PWNED.

    I had always associated the -ian suffix with Armenian names, but perhaps it’s just more common there.

  430. Hmmmph. Barrett Brown wants me to join his site to comment? Is he a freakin’ loon?

    All the cool sites now have multiple account log-ins. One can log in with Blogger, LiveJournal, Twitter, TypePad, Discus, IntensDebate, OpenID etc. (all of with which I have existing accounts). Why should I join (and try to remember the password to) a LeftySlant blog that I’ll never read?

  431. sdferr, Iamadinnerjacket’s Jewish background has been reported before, but I thought the conversion of his family happened farther in the past, But if true, it does explain his over compensation. Look at Johnny Walker Lindh going from Marin county kid of hippies to holy warrior in Afghanistan. I always figured Ahmadenijad was buggered repeatedly by older kids in school, but maybe it was this too.

  432. “I had always associated the -ian suffix with Armenian names”

    So had I SBP, though for the nonce I’m willing to take their nameless “London-based expert on Iranian Jewry” at face value.

  433. SBP

    That was a fascinating read! And really, it does come down to the dinner party/backyard BBQ concept — groups of people will self-aggragate according to interests and will not tolerate interlopers of bad faith very well — be it the party guest that talks smack about the music being played or food being served OR a commenter who comes into a thread with the expressed purpose of creating a scene.

  434. I was wondering if maybe Aradan was near the Armenian border, but it’s actually southeast of Tehran, in central Iran.

    While I won’t be reading Barrett’s screed, I did go over to have a look at this “True/Slant” site. Their management team could be poster children for “People Who are Unlikely to Get It” campaign.

    Looks like their top guy is getting about 8K page views per day, and it tails off rapidly after that (as one would expect). Big whoop.

  435. #450: Yeah, Darleen. Clay Shirky can be a little overenthusiastic at times, and has a tendency to gloss over some of the details. Nonetheless, he should be required reading for anyone who’s planning to set up a commercial social media site. If you liked that essay, I strongly recommend his book Here Comes Everybody.

  436. I remember Barrett’s last foray here. We were discussing ACORN and he asked for a definition of a criminal enterprise. Several people posted links to the US Code and posted the text of the statutes that define criminal enterprise.

    Instead of saying “Hey, thanks!” he kept asking for the definition. Right there the essential dishonesty was revealed. He didn’t want the actual definition, he didn’t want the law, he wanted someone to give his own beliefs so that he could go into his own wonderful spiel about criminal enterprises and his personal philosophy – he wanted to use others to boost his own ego. That was rude, and that makes him a douche.

  437. SBP

    Thanks for the tip…. my reading list is getting long (it is difficult sometimes to find the time for actual dead-tree reading) but that one is sure to go on it.

    and I looked at that management team link too…. good lord, the corporate buzzwords just flow off the monitor! “corporate voice”, “leveraging”, etc.

    I can speak and write corporatese as needed, but sometimes it gets really old.

  438. Let’s look at the front page of this revolutionary new site, shall we?

    In the lead position, we have David Letterman gossip (which has already been done to death on other sites, and who gives a fuck about that senile asshole anyway?), followed by:

    Michael Moore fellation
    Palin bashing
    Barbie (WTF?)
    Facebook “expose”
    Big Pharma bashing
    Non-substantive Inc. magazine bashing (which I’m sure has nothing to do with T/S being a Fortune property)
    Catholic bashing

    Summary: yawn.

    BTW, am I the only one who keeps wanting to interpret “T/S” as a sexual orientation of some kind?

  439. 3. And this one’s my favorite. He thought that the sheer power of his Obamaness would seal the deal.

    This is true I believe. Not his fault exactly, but an effect of all that has happened in his life of which he has never asked the why question because that would lead to places that are uncomfortable to examine.

    People had a way of hearing what they wanted in Mr. Obama’s words.”

    Harvard Law Prof. Charles Ogletree told how Mr. Obama spoke on one contentious issue at the law school, and each side thought he was endorsing their view. Mr. Ogletree said: “Everyone was nodding, Oh, he agrees with me.”

    The reason I have never forgotten this article is its last sentence, in which Al Gore’s former chief of staff Ron Klain, also of Harvard Law, reflects on the Obama sensation: “The interesting caveat is that is a style of leadership more effective running a law review than running a country. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in a book out next week, tells of congratulating freshman Sen. Obama on a phenomenal speech. Without a hint of conceit, Mr. Obama replied, “Harry, I have a gift.”

    He does. We know from tradition, though, that when the gods bestow magic on mortals, the gift can also imperil its possessor.”

    Barrett too, like Obama “has a gift”. What both seem to fail at is realizing that others do too. Some of them greater than their own and all of them different. The world is not an oyster but more of a Walrus.

  440. The Brown piece will likely be picked up by Huffington Post, he tells me.

  441. Re-read BJTex’s pub post for how we on the right are being molded to deal with that ever-increasingly-hateful New Left, on their terms. Such moldings are anathema to the “Texas Style Cage Match for the very soul of this country” that we are now engaged in fighting.

    Sorry, but the gloves are off, Barrett. Why should we be forced to adopt your preferred style, whatever that might be, when the adoption of said style moves us to the Left?

    Why should we allow you to frame us?

  442. I think geoff’s right at #456 and I think the corollary is that the little president man is shaken and embarrassed. When he goes back to Chicago he’ll be the loser what blew it.

  443. “The Brown piece will likely be picked up by Huffington Post, he tells me.”

    Meh… assholes of feather.

  444. Another vote was held in Europe yesterday, possibly even as important as the IOC 2016 Olympic siting vote.

  445. The Huffington Post? Another site where one can’t comment?

    Is that not the paramountcy of irony? Complaining and whining about commenters on a site where commenting is strictly controlled?

    Maybe Barrett can get a link from Charles Johnson. In trade for a Sharmuta job or something.

  446. The Brown piece will likely be picked up by Huffington Post, he tells me.

    But hey. You’re only being used as the lead marionette in a defamation play about an already-hated Other, for an audience of hundreds of thousands of moronically obedient robots waiting for targeting orders (and a few tens of thousands of crazed antisemites). That can’t go wrong.

    I’m wrong about all kinds of shit, I assume, but about the falseness/impossibilty of argumentation (in the classical/Habermas/Hoppe/etc. sense(s)), I’m right.

    So yeah, don’t try it again. Or again again, again. It doesn’t work as advertised.

    Other things are possible, though. Good luck with those.

  447. SBP,

    Nice article you linked. He brings up W. R. Bion who also comes up frequently on another blog I read, One Cosmos.

  448. psycho! I’m glad you’re here I hadn’t seen you since the DJ Adam thing and I thought you weren’t coming back. That made me sad.

  449. Jeff G

    Barrett’s chief complaint with PW over the past couple of days is our supposed “hypocrisy” of pointing out Obama’s “safe school czars” [heh] past in regards to sex between an adult and a minor. Somehow we “just discovered” it because we are anti-Obama and “we” weren’t demanding the complete destruction of the Catholic Church at the same time (similiar to his bad faith moves on the ACORN thread… the Catholic Church bashing seems to be his particular obsession).

    Somehow Barrett missed my two posts on Polanski. Rape of minors is not/should not be a left/right thing, but that doesn’t fit his, I suspect, Mad Libs style article.

  450. I think the Jennings thing is a factually anemic wingnut witch hunt and I’m tired of talking about it.

    It’s really really ugly what you people are doing to that guy. Oppose him on his dirty socialist policies but smearing him with lies and associations is really really sick. He’s a harmless bullshit guy in a harmless bullshit job.

  451. There is a huge ginormous magnitude of dirty socialist evil afoot in our little country and shrieking about little Kevin is just silly.

  452. It’s a lot like the DJ Adam thing I think. I really do, and the DJ Adam thing’s been bugging at me. Mr. psycho was very a lot eloquent and he made me think about things.

  453. “…he made me think about things…”

    Though not on account of the possibility of argumentation, right happyfeet?

  454. I don’t know what you mean. I meant that sometimes the stuff what sounds mean-spirited really for real actually is.

  455. the little president man is shaken and embarrassed.

    Copenhagen will prove to be his Al Capone’s vault.

  456. you never get to argue with Mr. psycho cause he never argues back. It’s a thing.

  457. That’s a hugely good analogy I think.

  458. “I meant that sometimes the stuff what sounds mean-spirited really for real actually is.”

    That I understood on its face. What I was referring to was this assertion: “but about the falseness/impossibilty of argumentation (in the classical/Habermas/Hoppe/etc. sense(s)), I’m right.”

  459. Sorry, happy, but I think there’s a difference between “helping a kid come to terms with himself and learning to deal with the realities surrounding that process” and “make sure the creepy older guy trying to do the Larry Craig in the boy’s room uses a rubber when he does you”. And I don’t think any “czar” is a “harmless bullshit job” when the person holding that job can create policy and impose directives with little or no oversight. I have a problem with the whole concept.

  460. I think the Jennings thing is a factually anemic wingnut witch hunt and I’m tired of talking about it.

    What is your problem this morning, hf?

  461. oh. Got it. Sorry. In the main that is very apt I think, with the asterisk that I have no idea what Habermas and his friend Hoppe have to say about it. But a lot of what I think we all believe – states-rights, limited government, judicial restraint and things in that vein – these are designed to address the impossibility of argument by trying to obviate it. Dirty socialists just want to pwn everything.

  462. “..the impossibility of argument..”

    A related link I put down before but one that I don’t think ought to be missed by anyone reading here: hence I link it again. This story will not quit. Ever.

  463. Darleen for real I think there’s a huge ugly unfair campaign against Jennings and PW and Mr. P’s are in lockstep and it’s creepy. This guy is just your average dirty socialist academic queer theorist Obama voter – he’s cut from the exact same academic dirty socialist cloth as all the rest of them. He got a patronage gig at Education. No big deal set against what’s happening in our little country. Besides. It’s the environmental climate changey ones what are the really dangerous ones.

  464. Seems I screwed that link up. Another try. Sorry.

  465. That link broke, sdferr. Is that the one about groups? I bookmarked that for later I wanted to have coffee and really think about it.

  466. ok so now I have two bookmarks

  467. Happy, I think you underestimate the damage the federal government has already done to this nation when it comes to education.

  468. Bah. The Olympics kerfluffle isn’t about the Olympics, it’s about this President, and any other approach is either ignorance or mendacity.

    Regards,
    Ric

  469. Other things are possible, though. Good luck with those.

    Too much of a door-slammy sort of thing to say for my liking.

    Fighters fight. That’s why the erstwhile Cowboys signed an extra RB for their match with the surging Broncos…they know Barrett Romo is a nancy-boy who won’t win on his own merits.

    We won’t need any help here, on our side. Barrett’s working at HuffPo is much like the opposing team signing the new guy who goes around picking up the used jockstraps off the locker room floors; no one important will ever notice him anyways.

    Oh, and GET A MOP TO THOSE STALLS BEFORE YOU LEAVE, BARRETT-BOI!

    /football analogies off

  470. DarthRove.. that kid went to the bus station bathroom cause he wanted to hook up and he had his little gay mind set. The important thing that Kevin did was to establish a rapport with the guy, and let him know someone was concerned. What more could he do really? Kevin was 24 at the time by the way.

    Child services would not have helped this kid. What could they have done?

    Also, every job ever at the Department of Education is a bullshit job.

  471. Public education is a baby-sitting service. Everyone in America what knows anything is self-taught.

  472. hf

    Maybe you should re-read my one and only post on Jennings — the mocking of the “I’m the perfect guy for the job BECAUSE of my bad judgements” schtick. And that this kind of misstep by Obama is not a one-time thing. From tax-cheats to communists, Obama surrounds himself with problematic “czars” rather than filling the appropriate (and vetted) positions in his administration.

    Jennings is just one more granny square on Obama’s left-hand crocheted afghan.

  473. Well. Unless the part where they teach you to read. My mom did that but some people don’t have moms like that. It’s very sad.

  474. Hey! Otherer othering with your anti-Romo spew there, O backer of the 0 and 3!

  475. Jennings is just one more granny square on Obama’s left-hand crocheted afghan.

    I think it’s clear that this job was crafted specifically for Kevin. Just Like Van Jones’ job was made just for him.

    But I don’t think 24-year-old Kevin displayed bad judgment. I think he handled a really uncomfortable situation well as could be. I think if he had reported the kid for whoring himself out in a bus station bathroom, the kid might have not handled that very well. I don’t think it’s reaching to say that.

    But sorry, Darleen, I am conflating you and DRJ and also the evil cooze Nice Deb person.

    Even our Dan did a post on this. I think it’s all been drummed up somewhere. I heard maybe it was Fox News but I’m not 100% sure.

  476. DRJ is linking him to NAMBLA. Nice Deb has a nice fist of shit what she hurls like a vicious demented evil monkey. Including the assertion that Kevin is a lot keen on teaching the boys and girls to shove their fists up each others’ asses.

    ok deep breaths, people

  477. Darleen and Dan were not evil and vicious, I should be very clear about that. But this is an ugly, ugly campaign what you definitely wouldn’t want to have happen to your gay queer theorist Obama voting kid or friend or brother.

    It’s just a bit over the top.

  478. Hey Barrett… I’m not clicking on any link that you put here, and I advise others not to, as apparently you get paid by the page hit.

  479. It’s nothing worth reading cranky. Apparently Darleen doesn’t know the age of consent in Massachusetts is 16 or some such pointless drivel.

  480. I went over to see what BB was all about after Jeff’s post last night/ this morning.

    I spent 20 minutes trying to figure out what Barrett stands for or is supporting. Might as well have tried to go to some asian site and start learning Japanese.

    Oh, and that T/S thing has just got to go – first impressions and all that.

  481. “I’ve never really had a disappointment like this,” said Ken Rudd, a 33-year-old salesman from Evergreen Park. “This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen.”

    ————————————————-

    If that’s so, just imagine how crestfallen he’ll be when downtown Chicago is pulverized by an Islamic fission bomb after Obama travels to Tehran.

  482. You’ll not earn any .5 pennies from me either. Nice Try! (athalon) Ha! That never stops being funny.

  483. The irony, it burns.

  484. I have sent this link to BB

    I wonder if he’ll actually listen to it. It might interfere with is narrative.

  485. Ignore him. He’s a whore.

    It’s his job to get hits and to make a name for himself, and evidently he’ll burn whoever makes it convenient for him to pick up a few rubles or an attaboy! He’s so desperately non-partisan and all.

    Were I him, I’d send the “article” to Patterico, Ace, Hot Air, et al. They’ll link it for him — and in the case of Patterico, maybe he’ll even write a forward for it, were Barrett to ask him nicely.

  486. By the way: he’s not writing a post. He’s writing an “important article.” About all the untruths you all spread. And how it will impact the global order.

    Just so you know.

  487. I’m tired of these motherfucking snakes trolls on this motherfucking plane blog!

  488. By the way: Barrett has told me that Huffington Post doesn’t moderate comments that are negative, that he’s seen.

    So stop spreading that untruth.

  489. Jeff,
    Ace and Hot Air have bigger fish to fry.
    Big Pink Nerfballs (aka LGF) would be more his ‘cup of tea’ as it were.

  490. The heirs of Jor-El will bow down before me …

    or maybe I’ll have a cup of tea with milk.

    6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other.

  491. Nothing BB is doing is out of character. I didn’t realize he was such a ho, but that pretty much explains a lot of his behavior.

  492. Well, it IS the notoriuosly libertarian Huffington Post, after all.

  493. HuffPo doesn’t moserate negative comment?!? WTF!

    Well then he’s only seeing them through rise colored glasses then, because only 1/3 of the comments I’ve ever posted over there saw daylight-so to speak, so much so I stopped even trying…

    But I guess that anyone who challenges the preferred narrative with inconvenient truths that are hard to spin away is considered hate speech or something of the sort!

    I’ve tried to reason with Barrett on several occasions, and only got upset with him once; during the election when he was bringing the who elitest tripe to bear on Palin and her appeal to the rubes, hicktards, and mouth breathers. I thought his argument was elitist and told him so. Outside of that, I’ve always tried reason. But in the few years I’ve been reading here at PW, he generally seems to address those who he’s succeeded in stirring up and never the supposed rational argument he desires.

    And the other day, especially, I thought he was acting deliberatly inciteful, and engaging in a false moral equivalence when comparing ACORN to the Catholic church…

  494. “Comment by Jeff G. on 10/3 @ 12:35 pm #

    By the way: Barrett has told me that Huffington Post doesn’t moderate comments that are negative, that he’s seen.”

    Bartlett misses a lot, seemingly.

  495. #503
    By the way: he’s not writing a post. He’s writing an “important article.” About all the untruths you all spread. And how it will impact the global order.

    I feel so empowered now. Or some such shit.

  496. Any way,

    This is not my blog, and it is up to the captains of the ship to do as they please with it, but I have thoroughly enjoyed reading and posting here.

    The internet without Protein Wisdom would surely suck.

  497. Truthfully, I never heard of him before coming here to PW. Is he a member of the academy, like SEK? Is he an accomplished author? Where exactly is his reputation built on?

    Becuase it seems to me like he’s just a “concern” Libertarian, a go-along get-along type, that much like some of the RINO’s wants a to tap into the Obama zeitgeist and ride it for all it’s worth. Like it gives your more respectability by shallowly declaring Obama a “good man” even though his selfproclaimed agenda will weaken our nation, both economically, socially, and militarily if successful. I don’t equate willfully committing the US to a form of national suicide to be the motivations of a “good man”!

    Obama is a trans-natinal multi-culturalist who has disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, and like his wife, can only be proud of our nation after it is transformid into some Euro-socialist nanny state; wher intead of the right of governance coming from the governed, the rights will flow from the government to the governed…

    People who are hand wringing over the positive reaction to Obama’s repudiation by the IOC don’t get that these folks are not appauding an American failure, but instead the failure of a man who believes that the Presidency affords him an, “L’etat c’est moi!”, kind of power-in all facets of American policy, not just foreign…

    An ideology as seditious as any treason this country has ever experienced…

  498. for this i got out of bed?

    first, please don’t close shop. *pout* the guy seems like someone i wouldn’t want to have dinner with. *shrug* but all publicity is good publicity. trust me i *know* this. and, i can’t be the only freak out here who when they read some snark about a blog (or a book or a whatever) and how OHNOES it sucks, well that just makes me want to read it more.

    sorry for cough syrupy rambling. anyway, apologize for nothing. wear it with pride. ;-)

    btw, ty guine’s for the ‘heads-up.’ twas appreciated. <3

  499. Chicago lost. America did not.

  500. After appearing to arrive here with an agenda though not revealing that agenda until after a series of provocative comments bent on achieving what he had evidently set out to do covertly and then announcing “now is a good time to reveal what has really been my intention” is, on its face a shifty manner, a lying, bad faith manner. Clever, perhaps, in getting at his aims but guaranteed to earn dislike and future mistrust.

  501. I think somehow this dovetails with his new book what’s coming out. He seems genuinely not happy with the quality of discussion in our little country. To where he wrote a book on it.

  502. In fact, every time a U.S. city has gotten the Olympics, the emphasis has been on the city getting it, usually in competition with other U.S. cities, not on the country as a whole. Until now, that is. And that was after the fact. The only place that anybody was waiting with breathless anticipation was Chicago.

    Like amateurs, Obama’s people took the word of their Chicago cronies that it was in the bag. To have a destructive narcissist, whom I dislike, rush over to attempt to take credit for a yet another achievement not of his own making, and then have it blow up in his face, for the same reasons I dislike him in the first place, is something that brings me happiness. It is not anti-American to have this reaction. Just the opposite, and I apologize to no one.

    Chicago was going to lose anyway, for good and sufficient reason. They are a bad venue and put together a bad proposal. I see Obama’s appending gratuitious fail to the loss as an act of conservation, like capturing CO2 emissions from power plants to grow algae for food and fuel. Instead of just letting the failure dissipate into the atmosphere, it was captured and put to further use. Humanity benefits.

    Thanx, Obama. You’re so green I can see it from way over here.

  503. So, let me see if I have this right. BB comes here, is purposely provocative, and now seeks to prove something from the reaction of the commentariat? Is that about right? Nice ethics you have there, BB.

    Seems appropriate that he would publish this bit of tripe on Huffpo, that bastion of free and open expression. If Bob Reed’s account is to be trusted, and I have never seen any reason why it should not be, HP severely restricts comments. This, of course, is not the case on this site, where rarely are comments deleted, much less moderated.

    Here’s a nice thought experiment: Find a thread at HP on Ted Kennedy and drop in something along the lines of, “Yeah, he was a good Senator, but I never really got past the whole Mary Jo thing.” Assuming your comment was permitted to stay, the commentariat would fall on it like the pack of rabid hyeenas they are.

    The lesson, BB, is as follows: If you kick a tiger in the ass, you better have a plan for dealing with his teeth. No, running off the the safe bosom of Adrianna does not count.

  504. If anyone has an extra “to” I’ll gladly trade you for a “the.”

    Yeah, I’ve been drinking. Sue me!

  505. louchette! hey – i missed you there. I wanted to share the peppy Danish kids with you. They are too cool for Danish school I think. They’re my new thing after frankmusik.

  506. 35. Comment by happyfeet on 10/3 @ 10:59 am

    Haps, I was a young teacher once, and if a student of mine, under the age of consent, told me something like that I would have been obligated to tell the school administration, not say “Hey! have fun, but make sure condoms are used!”

    And yes, CYS can do something about that, including the local prosecutor. Certainly the parents of a minor under the age of consent should be informed that their child is having a sexual affair with an adult. The whole story shows appaling judgment and is not being told to show how that bad judgment was corrected;.

  507. Then kids need to know not to talk to teachers I think cause it sounds like it ends up being a lot of drama.

  508. They should at least think very very carefully before risking a conversation with a teacher. It just sounds like it can get way out of hand.

  509. And honestly. If a kid in this situation had an ounce of self-respect he’d throw himself in front of a bus after the school informs his dad that his son is a gay bus station ho. It’s not like he could just promise not to do it again. There would be repercussions.

    Family dinners would suck forever and ever.

  510. thank you mr. feets! that is truly delightful i think. :)

    and by the by, why is it that any time some pretentious buttmunch decides to take their narcissistic hobbyhorse for a spin they always gotta pick a bad faith fight with pw/jeff? i mean seeing as how this place is so unimportant and ass sucking and all of us have teh dumb and can’t ever brain right and stuff. it’s like the (not very) grown-up version of boys who put gum in girls’ hair to display their confuzzled puppy love.

    now someone make me a hot toddy. pronto. before i sneeze on every one of yous.

  511. haps – teachers have legal obligations. The school district and its employees are responsible for the health,safety, and general welfare of the students. Yeah, it would be uncomfortable to take this to the school administration – however, the personal emotional comfort of the teacher takes a very distant second place to the welfare of the child. It is a legal obligation and I think it is a moral obligation to report this.

    This revelation would make conversations around the dinner table very uncomfortable. How about a new conversation starter: “Mom, dad – I have AIDS. I did what Mr. Jennings said and me and XXXXX used condoms, however…” That conversation should go well.

    And can we say holy hoppin’ lawsuit? And after that, how long do you think that teacher is going to have either a job or a teaching certificate?

    The teacher may be friendly, but he or she is not your friend. The teacher is an adult, is an authority figure, and is supposed to look out for your welfare, not ratify every decision a teenager makes – and most of those decisions that teenagers make are pretty piss-poor.

    I canot agree with your position here.

  512. hf

    don’t get hung up on the fact the kid was gay. It was a minor engaging in behavior that was both illegal and potential for great harm.

    if the kid came to the teacher and said “hey teach, I just started shooting heroin” should the teacher say, “well, I hope you’re using sterile needles” and leave it at that?

    I don’t buy into the [left-promoted] idea that all parents are bad guys that teachers must make sure are kept out of the loop. The vast majority of parents want to do what’s right for their kid.

  513. I think teachers need to be able to make judgment calls, and I think this one worked out. Mr. Jennings had a lot more information about the situation than he ever passed along from what people reported of his books or speeches. But he sure didn’t ask for little mister bus station restroom to pop into his office, and his intent by all accounts was to be helpful and kind.

    This might could not be the right conversation cause this kid was apparently 16. And he had consent to spare.

  514. that was for #528

  515. I see your point but I think … when did this happen? 1989?

    I think you’re right about the heroin. But I think it’s safe to assume that Mr. Jennings was not approving of underage bus station bathroom sex. It sounds like his first thought was you are so getting a disease cause that’s dirty, what you’re doing. But the point is that if the kid was so set on getting his gay sex on that he mosied on down to the bus station, there’s a big gay horse what has left the barn.

    From looking at Mr. Jenning’s site though he seems all about figuring out what can be done at school to where kids have a developmental path that doesn’t include giving it up in a bus station bathroom. I’m sure yes it’s all kinds of controversial and cringe-inducing, his theories and lesson plans and such… but hate the game not the player I think.

  516. Darleen – the heroin example did occur to me.

    haps – for judgment calls it was a poor one. I was starting my teaching in 1989, and it was understood that things like this – adult having a sexual affair with student under the age of consent = sexual molestation. There are legal reporting requirements in place to keep it from becoming a judgment call. It isn’t about homosexuality at all, it is about the health, safety, and welfare of a student, of a child. Any adult should be obligated to protect the child, and a teacher is legally obligated to protect the child. Period. It does not matter that the boy wanted to be prey, the predator has to be found and put out of the way.

    The predator was looking for a child to have sex with. This was likely not the first boy, nor was it likely the last that he molested.

    The boy went to the bus station to make a pick-up. There may be some issues right there that need to be addressed in a way that “Hey, have fun! Just make sure you both use condoms!” does not address.

  517. I just figured it out.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xioob_road-runner-wile-e-coyote-24

    Go here, watch until 1:20.

    Voila! 0bama!

  518. Now I’m gonna watch the rest.

    Chuck Jones, donchaknow.

  519. And how it will impact the global order.

    Damn, I can feel my head swelling. Who knew that calling a spinning crapweasel a spinning crapweasel could affect the entire world?

    Bartlett misses a lot, seemingly.

    Yes, he does. He doesn’t really understand this “Internet” thing very well at all, I’ve noticed.

    If I were him, I’d spend maybe a year or so just reading and keeping my mouth shut.

  520. It’s icky to talk about the actual details and we don’t for real know all that went into Kevin’s handling of the deal. Let’s move on from that part for a sec.

    Kevin said he was sorry about how he handled it and that’s where we are. What’s the statute of limitations as far as banging Kevin over the head with this? I don’t think it disqualifies him from his stupid phony dirty socialist Department of Education job is all. I imagine mostly he’ll just give speeches at dirty socialist breakfasts and stuff. I don’t think Kevin Jennings is evil is all. There are a lot that are significantly eviler anyway. Like whoever the fuck’s in charge of treating Honduras like shit. The ones cheering for the abandonment of Afghanistan. Those Cash for Clunkers retards did way more damage. Those lying OMB dickheads. Kevin just wants everybody to get along.

  521. I don’t think Kevin Jennings is evil is all.

    hf, who are you aguing against here? Who said he was “evil”? At worst, Jennings “apology” seems less genuine in light of when it was offered and under the circumstances.

    and Jennings certainly hasn’t been forthcoming of other issues in his past, recent or not.

    Jennings in and of himself is indeed small fry…but the school of ObamaCzar fish he swims with is more then the sum total of each part.

  522. you’re right – I did it again – partly I’m arguing against the vituperation elsewhere… you might be right about not-forthcoming but that’s making him responsible for vetting himself kind of, no? Were back to the hate the game not the player thing.

    If it’s decided that his bad judgment thing 20 years ago is a deal breaker… I guess it is what it is, and everyone with a similar story will be put on notice. But there’s a whole lot of really not particularly fair dirt-digging that Miss Nice in particular was awful proud of… none of that stuff has gotten any play here. I get confuzzled sometimes.

    But my last point is… I will tell you.

    The little president man has been getting actually scrutinized by the voter gays and the check writing gays what supported him. It’s unbelievable but it’s true, and there are links. Some of them are in Mr. Instapundit’s who are the rubes series. They’re starting to say out loud how full of shit he is. Why lynch the Kevster and give them a rallying point?

    For real I don’t get that. That’s why I think there’s some Focus on the Family douchebag somewhere what’s drumming this up. This is their bread and butter.

  523. *We’re* back I mean …

  524. Hmm. As far as I can tell our two stalwarts at Hot Air haven’t touched the story. Just some guy in their pub has. That’s never not meaningful when them ones ignore low-hanging fruit.

  525. haps – I haven’t said you are evil – I’ve said that I think you are wrong. That’s all.

    WRT Mr. Jennings and his position as an Education Czar, I think the incident demonstrates that he is not fit for the position. He flubbed the entire ‘student welfare’ aspect, and has not (I think) demonstrated that he recognizes the error. Why does this impact the Obama Administration? They hired him and were not able to discover this or did not think it matters. It does matter, and it is another example of the Obama Administration not understanding that its image is in its hands; the Obama Administration is defined by the people it associates with, and the administration is identified with the United States – President Obama’s employer. He is making the nation look bad, and this has to stop.

  526. The Malkin woman did get all screechy about it but I didn’t click to read.

  527. thank you f@532. i think that is correct. he may have showed imperfect, even poor judgment. but it does seem clear that he was engaged in an attempt at harm reduction, not encouragement of the student. and that is indeed a big gay horse what has already left the big gay barn. and if he was cruising old men in public toilets, and not just tickle fighting the other dudes on the wrestling team, i’d bet dollars to donuts there weren’t any parents there, not in a real sense anyway, for that big gay horse or his teacher to go to about any of this.

    and i agree with mikey, or sorta do. the predator not being reported to whatever authoritahs and his almost certainly continuing to exploit other kids is far more troubling to me than the conversation with the student and its (non)aftermath.

    i think it also bears remembering what the HIV situation was like in the late 1980s. there weren’t a lot of treatments, and they were barely effective and extremely toxic. it really was a death sentence, and usually a quick one. also, there was so much hysteria, from the larouchites (and others) calling for concentration camps for quarantine to parents shutting down schools when some poor kid got infected (ryan white, etc.) and there is also the related matter of potentially outing the kid. high school can be an extremely unpleasant, even a dangerous place for gay kids. add that to the panic and hysteria of the early days of the HIV epidemic and i can easily imagine a teacher taking all that into consideration in making any decision which could potentially make the kid’s gayness public.

    and unrelated but tangential: i wish social cons and ‘abstinance’ programs would stop telling kids that condoms don’t work. i know when you say they’re not 100% effective that you think that kids hear, ‘since condoms aren’t completely effective sex is still dangerous even with a condom, and thus i shouldn’t have sex because it’s not safe.’ but what kids actually hear (in my experience, 12+ years of dealing with dumbass teenagers every single goddamn day in game guilds,) is, ‘since condoms don’t really work i won’t bother with them at all when i have sex, which i will. heh heh heh.’ and i have 5 little teenage friends with babies to prove it. i won’t say their lives are ‘ruined’ precisely. but having successful, productive adult lives, even finishing their basic educations, is so much more difficult for them than it is for their friends who didn’t have babies in high school. so sit them down and talk to kids about the emotional complexities they may not be ready for, tell them it’s dirty dirty dirty and will stain their souls and they are going to go to hell (and make it really scary,) or just threaten to beat them like a drunken stepfather if you ever even hear that they are doing the nasty. but stop telling them condoms don’t work. cuz i’m sick of hearing the same damn thing every time: ‘but my teacher told me condoms don’t *really* work so pfffttt we didn’t bother with them…’ >.<

    also, fwiw, a very nice very gay male teacher who did his best to harm reduce me in high school is probably the only reason i made it thru my teen years alive. as an adult (sorta, iykwimaityd) i appreciate and respect the effort he made (including calling my parents after promising he wouldn’t when i ran away and showed up on his doorstep,) and him, more than i can say. <3

    and i am sick sick sick of all these stupid czars. what is this? russia?

  528. Could someone please do the linky thingy to Barrett? I got’s some hatin’ to do.

  529. no – I know – this is a very amicable place I think if your name isn’t Barrett cause then it’s unspeakably awful – I meant people were saying Mr. Jennings was evil … just not people here were saying it, so it was dumb to say that.

    I hear you about unqualified. Me I think a bad call when he was 24 that didn’t have any demonstrable godawful repercussions is fine… no one has shown this is a pattern of bad judgment I don’t think. I think there are all sorts of policy positions that our dirty socialist Kevster believes in that probably make him very very very unsuitable for his job.

    oh. He’s not Ed Czar he’s “Safe Schools Czar” … whatever that is. But he did say he handled it wrong. There was a lame-o statement released.

    Twenty one years later I can see how I should have handled this situation differently. I should have asked for more information and consulted legal or medical authorities. Teachers back then had little training or guidance about this kind of thing. All teachers should have a basic level of preparedness. I would like to see the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools play a bigger role in helping to prepare teachers.

    See I’m not sure for real that we want the dirty socialist Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools playing a bigger role in anything at all. I would want to know details.

    I definitely agree about the unvetted czar stuff being stupid and reckless and not the way a professional little country does things. But it’s Barack Obama’s America now. All sorts of sketchy shit is happening.

  530. louchette adds a lot to this discussion I think … there is the question of the guy our kid he hooked up with… but I’m going from the standpoint that the kid was 16 – there wasn’t anything to be done on that front –

    but obviously the kid knew where to go and it follows that the cops were equally aware of where a predator would go… I’m not sure where that goes but … it takes a village to make going to the bathroom at the bus station a safe clean and enjoyable experience without anyone needing condoms and such.

  531. Baloney – teachers were not told what to do? Baloney. I was a teacher. I was told what to do. We all were told what to do. It was not an option, it was not a judgment call for a young teacher, it was drilled into us and every teacher at that time no matter how old or how many years experience that teacher had.

    As a teacher in 1989 I was required by law, by training, by the policies and directives of the district to report any sexual molestaion of a student, to report any kind of assault. Period.

    Here is one – when I was student teaching a ninth grade class let out. I found out later that in the hall a girl got groped by another student. She told a female teacher across the hall. The groper wasn’t seen again.

    It ain’t funny, it has nothing to do with homosexuality! The teacher has a legal obligation to report that. Period. No judgement calls or anything! Jennings FUBARed something that was rammed into the heads of all teachers then!

    I was a professional, in the exact same profession Jennings was in, and he absolutely, utterly, totally, without recourse, fucked up right there, right then! He blew off a legal obligation that he had no authority to blow off. He has no place telling anyone in education what they should do. He. Did. Not. Do. What. He. Was. Proffesionally. And. Legally. Required. To. Do.

    Homosexuality is a big red herring. A student was being sexually molested by an adult and he did nothing to help the student, the school, or the municipality he lived in. He had knowledge of a predator and let it go because the prey liked being prey.

    Olympic Fail.

  532. Happyfeet, when you’re 24 years old you can be in command of a company of soldiers.

    That can be up to 300 people. And you’re responsible for every fucking one of them, on duty or off.

    If the shit hits the fan bad enough, you can be in command of a battalion of soldiers. That’s over a 1,000 people.

    Sorry, I just don’t buy the “he was only 24″ argument.

  533. mikey — i am not trying to be argumentative, cuz i actually don’t know, am ignorant about this, and this is an honest question… is it possible that the guidelines you followed were local, or state, and not national ones? or were they from the NEA or similar? my understanding is that a lot of education guidelines are local, established by school boards. at least i know that it generally true for things like textbooks, and even things like whether a student can carry midol in a ‘zero drug tolerence’ zone. and i went to private girls’ school anyway, not public. at least after i discovered boys. =P and they had their own rules. like kneeling to check skirt length. so i could be wrong. anyway, i just wonder if the rules you followed were local )i.e. from the school board) or national/federal? if they were local then they may well not have applied in this case.

  534. Ok, please ignore my lst as I’ve read enough here not to bother.

    “feets? While I tend to agree w/ you re the Jennings thing? I was 18 and tutoring mentally challenged children, and would have been compelled by law to report it. So that boat don’t float my friend.

    Morally? I would have been devastated, but? I would have. NOW? that i’m older and WAY less PC? Nope.

  535. We don’t know that he knew who the little dude was hooking up with and we don’t know if it happened after the one time. Also – the word is that the kid was old enough to be doing this sort of activity if he wanted. That’s kind of important.

    We don’t know who the lady was that brought the little dude to Mr. Jennings either. She and Kevin were friends I think is all we know, but outing the little dude to authorities and parents is probably not what she brought him to Kevin for… so that could have been part of his decision-making.

    It still doesn’t necessarily follow that Mr. Jennings shouldn’t be allowed to do his little school safety job. It’s kind of the same as saying anyone what ever had a dwi can’t never drive no more.

  536. Mr. Blitz – I hear you – but the kid was of the age of consent is sort of the key fact I think there. I don’t think he had to report it. I think if the kid had said help me help me please report this, Mr. Jennings would have picked up the phone.

    Also, Mr. Flacy… I’m not saying he was only 24 means he’s not responsible, but it’s context.

    Also it’s important to remember that everyone went on to have happy lives.

  537. I think Mr. Jennings had the choice of ruining little dude’s life or not ruining little dude’s life, and he decided not to ruin little dude’s life. I think it’s just that simple.

  538. ‘feets, you’ve got Mr. Jennings misunderstood I believe. If the roles were were reversed, Mr. Jennings would intensely dislike your politics; he would call you names and who knows? he might even hit on you. NTTAWWT.

    One of my favorite HS teachers I found out later did some terrible things in regards a student, not much physical touching but definitely emotionally scarring, and she took her own life. He did catch much blame for that, ruined his career, he had to move to California. This Mr. Jennings failed to warn a student away from gay sexing at a time when AIDS was still not treatable. That might have cost the poor kid his life, but Mr. Jennings gave him a pat on the butt and sent him back out on the streets.

    Don’t you think he would make the same decision today, especially since AIDS is ‘treatable’ and there’s so many who don’t care about safe sex (Bareback Sully) ?

    Other than that, I’m sure he’s a Good Man.

  539. Eric S (can’t spell his last name) who has the Values what are Classical says it way better than me…

    Way way way better than me. Part of it’s cause of he’s way smarter.

    Actually that’s most of it.

  540. you’re 100% right, that Mr. Jennings is probably not nice to wingnuts such as myself.

    But I think the important thing for the kid is that he had an adult he could go to… I don’t thing Mr. J’s warnings would have had a huge life-changing effect on a kid that was hanging around a bus station bathroom waiting to get what would pass for lucky.

    I just think the repercussions of turning the kid in dwarfed the repercussions of just keeping an open door policy on the matter.

  541. Haps – I don’t think the concept of ruining a fifteen year old’s life is getting through.

    In 1985 I was 19 and I was a counselor at a youth camp, ages of campers – 8-15. If a fifteen year old camper had told me a s story of an adult having a sexual relation with that camper I would have been obligated by law to report it. At age 19 I was told that.

    haps, I do not want to know about your personal life: but a teacher, a summer camp coumselor, has a legal obligation to report sexual molestation. That is what occurred and Jennings failed in his obligations.You seem to be looking at this story from a perspective that I, as a former teacher, can not ever understand. Ruin little dude’s life? Being prey for a sexual predator is not ruination? Getting ‘little dude’ out of being sexual prey is ruining him?

    I don’t get you on this haps, I do not get you at all. If the prey enjoys it, then it is a-ok? Let the predator go because having this all come out will be bad for the prey?

    The word you want to avoid is rape. It was rape. And the teacher condoned the rape. It was sexual molestation and the teacher condoned it. And the teacher was legally obligated – and morally obligated – to do something other than say “Have fun!”

    Why do you think those laws are in place, those reporting laws? Because a bunch of dirty socialists want to take control? Or maybe there is a problem and the law gives enough steel to the spine of dithering dunderheads like Jennings to make them do something to stop the sexual exploitation, molestation, and rape of minors when they find out?

    I was a teacher. I know the requirements. Jennings failed. Olympic Zeus Apollo Hera Poseidan failed.

  542. I liked the two teacher’s comments at CV. I guess I’m with the group who thinks teachers have a responsibility to not only teach but to not ignore possible life-ending harmful behaviors on their watch.

    AIDS is no laughing matter, just ask Freddie Mercury.

  543. but he was 16 – I don’t think it was rape…

    actually though I think 15 is probably a more better age of consent.

    here’s what you’re not getting from my p.o.v… wait – did you read what Mr. Eric S. said?

  544. End. I’ve said all I can on the subject of Jennings. The situation was wrong. He was wrong – legally and morally. He failed utterly.

    I was a teacher. I know the obligations I had, legally and morally, when I left that profession in 1993. Nothing I can say will convince haps that I know what I am speaking about. Nothing.

  545. Who just loves loves loves them some Laura Ingraham, raise your hand?

    Ok.

    Now who would run as fast as they can the other way if they saw Laura Ingraham coming, raise your hand?

    Good.

    Now that that’s settled, carry on ignoring that whole Olympics thing.

  546. Mark – at 24 I was a 1LT and a company XO. I have to agree, that the age of the person making the excuse/negligent (at least) decision doesn’t work here.

    I think bragging about abetting the bus stop hookups, not all that long ago is also a heavy point against this “safe school czar”.

  547. my point more what you’re not getting cause I haven’t really said is if Mr. J goes down from a deliberation based on how you and Darleen and Blitz and Mark and everybody here argue … that’s okay I guess. But the way certain wingnut-like individuals are straining to link him to NAMBLA and call him a pervert and a pedophile and a “fisting” advocate… I’m not kidding… that’s why I’m engaged in this story cause of that’s sick and twisted and wrong wrong wrong.

    If the Council or whatever decides that not reporting little dude means the Kevster is to be barred from this or that sort of employment for life… that’s just sort of the Kevster’s problem. I’d feel like he got shafted, but lots of good people get shafted every day. Nothing to get worked up about.

  548. I never said his age was an excuse… I just thought it should be part of the facts in evidence.

  549. eric s. is my hero for the day. actually i’ve been reading him for a way long time, like almost as long as jeff g. and this place. and i think he gets this right. irl is messy.

    also, totally unrelated but mr. feets ZOMFGWTFBBQSAUCE i am going to see miyavi in 3 weeks. here in nyc. *____* w00t! *dedded*

  550. “bragging about abetting the bus stop hookups” is an assertion… I think it’s a characterization … the bragging part … is there a link that really shows him bragging? I haven’t seen that yet.

  551. I never knew him – I will bookmark and explore – I think geoff would get a kick out of him – he’s very Cowboy Bebop – I wish this had subtitles

  552. I’m totally hearing you Mikey – I think it’s just I am very Hippocratic Oath and you are very The Rules. Different codes.

  553. I think ‘feets is interpreting this Kevinski kerfuffle as a hit job on an unimportant minor worth-less-than-half-a-pawn Obama piece, and people shouldn’t waste their efforts…’low hanging fruit’ I saw somewhere. There’s a bit of truth to that, but again with the principles angle, Kevinski misbehaved first.

  554. it’s going to be a fun show I think

  555. Thanks for the link, hf. I’m probably too conditioned to laugh when you write so when you’re serious I feel like I’m trying to swim in oatmeal. But I mostly agree with Eric S. It is sort of hard to thread the needle between the demented agenda of gay activists and the rather moronic and anti-intellectual perspective of conservatives as regards gay issues, but I think he successfully did so.

  556. that’s a big part of it, serr8d…

    definitely not worth the tactics being used…

    tactics what aren’t in evidence here in our thread

  557. that made me laugh for reals though, what you said… Eric I’ve known forever is brilliant but I’ve never regularly visited over there – I need to fix that

  558. subtitles. at your service mr. feets. he’s my second favorite jrocker, after gackt-sama, of course. :)

    and life is messy. really. how i wish that were not so. but it is.

  559. I know this much. I would not let Kevin within a mile of my children.

  560. the jennings dude who cares. but president O!fraud continually appoints “czars” who are twisted freaks

  561. even the nyt blogs notice the O!freaks:

    “This one was made in 1971, long before Dr. Holdren came President Obama’s science adviser, in an essay just unearthed by zombietime (a blog that has been republishing excerpts of his past writings). ”

    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/dr-holdrens-ice-age-tidal-wave/

  562. he’s crazy talented – I wonder what BMoe would make of him? BMoe plays guitars professionally or near enough…

  563. Is there a TV upstairs? I like to watch.

  564. Then kids need to know not to talk to teachers I think cause it sounds like it ends up being a lot of drama.

    Kids need to know not to go to pubic restrooms to find middle aged men and fuck them, I think.

  565. Re: 567, hf, yes – but I think it a correct one. When standing in front of LGBT groups and saying “see what I did – good, right!” then that is boasting/bragging. Had he said “let this serve as a cautionary tale” or “don’t make the mistake I did”. Instead he gave a lame ‘apology’ in these current days.

    The lying is the part that really gets me – had he said what you had pointed out, it would had made him a much more honest and forthright person. Instead, another Obama czar is shown to be allergic to sunlight.

  566. pubic = public.

    Fuck you, Freud.

  567. i think we are nearing consensus

  568. Also it’s important to remember that everyone went on to have happy lives.

    Everyone? How do we know what happened to the kid?

  569. *Sigh* html fail. Only the Everyone? should have been bolded.

  570. I think Kevin really really thought he was helpful to that kid.

  571. oh. The kid spoke out last week and said LEAVE KEVVIE ALONE…

    for reals

  572. O! has month to go and he’s history

  573. 587 was for 582
    588 was for 585

  574. I think Media Matters tracked him down or something. I will check.

  575. hf, ss there a name?

  576. ##!@$!!!!!!!

    Ahem.

    “hf, is there a name?”

  577. come on eric holder is a twisted freak. yo marc rich. yo hillary.

  578. here’s the statement the kid gave to Media Matters. He’s not a kid anymore I guess.

    Since I was of legal consent at the time, the fifteen-minute conversation I had with Mr. Jennings twenty-one years ago is of nobody’s concern but his and mine. However, since the Republican noise machine is so concerned about my “well-being” and that of America’s students, they’ll be relieved to know that I was not “inducted” into homosexuality, assaulted, raped, or sold into sexual slavery.

    In 1988, I had taken a bus home for the weekend, and on the return trip met someone who was also gay. The next day, I had a conversation with Mr. Jennings about it. I had no sexual contact with anybody at the time, though I was entirely legally free to do so. I was a sixteen year-old going through something most of us have experienced: adolescence. I find it regrettable that the people who have the compassion and integrity to protect our nation’s students are themselves in need of protection from homophobic smear attacks. Were it not for Mr. Jennings’ courage and concern for my well-being at that time in my life, I doubt I’d be the proud gay man that I am today.

    – Brewster

  579. hf, I don’t really put much stock in what the kid says now. I mean, Roman Polanski’s vitim thinks the whole matter should rest too…

  580. no name – I guess he doesn’t want to publicly identify himself as the bus station bathroom hook-up guy

  581. “I think Kevin really really thought he was helpful to that kid.”

    b/c putting on condoms isn’t stressed in the pubic schools

  582. oh. I haven’t even read it yet.

    oh.

    I thought he just went to the bus stop to make friends. He actually road a bus.

  583. rode

  584. but anyway, yeah, he sounds like he’s lying

  585. i like how the “free love” crowd try to cover up their statutory rapes.

  586. He sounds like an insufferably snotty little worm, actually.

  587. you get alot of flack when you are over the target

  588. I think that, in the end, we could probably agree that there is no need for a “safe schools”czar – and if so, I suspect there are many, many better choices. G’night all – had a long day (our 2 star generals had way too much energy today, and I have a cold or mild flu).

  589. Yes. No need at all. Good night there.

  590. Yeah, Happy Feet, I’m just a vicious demented evil monkey hurling shit around. You don’t like the facts I bring up, so you attack me. Kevin Jennings, is the founder and Executive Director of GLSEN which hosted conferences where homosexual sex acts were taught and promoted.
    Warning… extremely disgusting audio tape from the “fistgate” conference, here:

    http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/fistgate/tape01.html

    -narrated by the guy who secretly videotaped the proceedings. How many conferences of this sort have taken place that were not taped?

    Sorry if it’s evil and rude to bring it up. But a man whose group promotes this type of activity has been selected by our President to to be in charge of keeping schools “safe”. It makes no sense what-so-ever. And yes, he’s apparently on record expressing admiration for NAMBLA supporter, Harry Hay.
    a transcript via the Lambda Report, Jan.-Feb. 1998 [LR, published by Peter LaBarbera, preceded Americans For Truth About Homosexuality, here:

    http://bit.ly/hUfkc

    as well as other links between Jennings and Hay.

  591. thank you we were missing examples of your particular evil monkey point of view cause I didn’t want to copy and paste them around cause there’s this dude monitoring our website for evil wingnut talk such as yours

  592. See, the whole teenage bathroom hookup thing is worrisome. If I were 24 year old Kevin and I had a 15 – 16 year old hoochie before me doing the bathroom hook up thing with old dudes, I’d be less concerned with how cool she thinks I am and more concerned that I had a damaged little person before me and maybe I ought to think about what I can do to unfuck her little head. Especially if the law said that’s what I had to do.

    As for that conversation being between Kevin and whatshisname, if it was just between him and Kevin, then Kevin probably shouldn’t have put it in his book.

    Also, I have a reflexive problem with Queering Elementary Education. Kevin thinks it’s groovy enough to write the foreward for it. We should talk.

  593. Brewster’s Millions. If Mr. Jennings was actually named Letterman.

  594. Oh. I’ve heard that before. It’s not good.

  595. I have already answered the evil shit-flinging monkey here… just keep scrolling

  596. Far from an expert in this area, but if the kid really was above the age of consent does that constitute abuse that he was required to report?

    This probably varies from state to state (certainly the age of consent does). Anyone got a link to the mandatory reporting statute for the state in question?

  597. here, Spies

    Massachusetts law required reporting by those with reason to believe child “is suffering serious physical or emotional injury resulting from abuse.” According to a footnote in a 1990 Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court case, in 1988, chapter 119, section 51A, of the General Laws of Massachusetts provided:

    [Any] public or private school teacher … who, in his professional capacity shall have reasonable cause to believe that a child under the age of eighteen years is suffering serious physical or emotional injury resulting from abuse inflicted upon him including sexual abuse … shall immediately report such condition to the department by oral communication and by making a written report within forty-eight hours after such oral communication …

  598. I mean, doesn’t being above the age of consent mean that you can legally have sex with anyone you want, no matter how ill-advised others might find that particular relationship?

    We can argue about what the age of consent should be, certainly, but if the state legislature in its wisdom set it below the age this kid was, it doesn’t seem to me that any crime was committed.

  599. If you scroll down at your link I think it says they’re just kidding about the 18 it’s actually 16. Massachusetts is weird.

  600. Jeez. I could’ve done without the whole fisting scenario mind-implant thinger there.

    The entire concept should travel with bleach.

    Serves me right…I mentioned Sully.

  601. Okay. What was the age of consent this happened, Pablo? If it was 18, then Jennings clearly violated the law. If was lower, maybe not. I believe some states did raise the age in recent years.

  602. I’m confused. Since when has it become “evil” and “wingnut”to be offended and horrified by adults who teach children how to engage in heinous acts?

  603. wiki says 16 unless they’re like a virgin and whatever then it’s 18

  604. How do we know that the person quoted by Media Matters is indeed the individual in question?

  605. You are all about bearing false witness against the Kevster, evil monkey. It’s wrong of you.

  606. That’s not a bad question, Mr. Flacy.

  607. See my 570 for my quick interpretation, Nice Deb.

  608. We can argue about what the age of consent should be, certainly, but if the state legislature in its wisdom set it below the age this kid was, it doesn’t seem to me that any crime was committed.

    [Any] public or private school teacher … who, in his professional capacity shall have reasonable cause to believe that a child under the age of eighteen years is suffering serious physical or emotional injury resulting from abuse inflicted upon him including sexual abuse …

    Kevin should have picked up the phone, and he admits as much. But that’s not really the issue. What is a Safe Schools czar and why do we need one is what I’d like to know. Why should Kevin be one is a good but secondary question.

  609. That is a weird law. So the first person who has sex with a sixteen year old has committed a crime, but after that the kid is fair game?

    Then again, this is the state that keeps electing Kennedys…

  610. Who says things like right-wing noise machine?

  611. A Safe School Czar has another name – I’ll see if I can find it again.

  612. Okay. What was the age of consent this happened, Pablo?

    I dunno, SBP.

  613. he heads this thinger here

    I think Brewster sounds completely phony – and his story makes a liar out of the Kevster.

  614. #626

    Then it would depend on whether he thought the kid had suffered “serious physical or emotional injury” from the incident, and whether or not sexual activity between two people of legal age constitutes “sexual abuse”, yes?

  615. Is Happy Feet a troll, or what? Bearing false witness? Everything I’ve posted is true. The age of Brewster is in question, but does his age matter? Jennings has already admitted that he should have handled that differently, but that’s hardly the only thing objectionable about him. I don’t consider any of these Czars to be unimportant, but I think there’s something deeply wrong when Obama selects a person with Jenning’s background to be his “safe schools czar”

  616. Huh. So Bush is responsible for this useless “Office”.

  617. Here’s Warren Throckmorton’s post on the age question:

    Does Brewster’s age matter?

    http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/10/02/does-brewsters-age-matter/

  618. Is Happy Feet a troll, or what?

    No.

    The age of Brewster is in question, but does his age matter?

    Legally? Yes, it does.

    Jennings has already admitted that he should have handled that differently

    “Should have handled it differently” and “should be fired for it” are two different things, entirely.

    I do agree that this office has no real reason to exist at the federal level.

  619. you can read about your evil un-Christian false witness bearings here

    you needs to repent, evil monkey. The Kevster is just your average dirty socialist queer theorist going about his business when the little president man offers him a job. The Kevster says ok. That’s not an invitation for you to associate him haphazardly with pedophilia. That’s sick.

    You are a very sick evil monkey.

  620. Whether or not a crime was committed is a moot point. Discussion around the propriety of the matter should probably focus on whether teenage sex with old guys is a good idea or not.

  621. Then it would depend on whether he thought the kid had suffered “serious physical or emotional injury” from the incident, and whether or not sexual activity between two people of legal age constitutes “sexual abuse”, yes?

    I suppose if the bathroom dude was gentle, it could be legal. But it would still be moot.

  622. you can read about your evil un-Christian false witness bearings here

    Why do you keep linking to POWIP? You had nothing edifying to say in that thread, either. Really, either produce something to prove that what I’m saying is false, or stand down, scumbag.

  623. we already talked about that part but I’m kind of knackered

    Before I go I want to link Eric again at the established and trusted Classical Values site what is notably not a proponent of evil monkey philosophies. Here.

    I don’t like his politics, nor do I like the fact that the position he was given exists. But I think the way he’s being treated as a pedophile stinks, and I find myself wondering whether his critics would be screaming the same way if he had failed to rat on a girl of the same age had she confided in him that she’d had an abortion or was on the pill.

  624. Happyfeet us most certainly NOT a troll, Nice Deb. That is such a fundamentally flawed question that it makes me want to question your sanity.

  625. I have not screamed that he is a pedophile, and don’t know of anyone who has. But it *is* noteworthy that he has appeared to have expressed admiration for a big supporter of NAMBLA.

  626. “But I think the way he’s being treated as a pedophile stinks, and I find myself wondering whether his critics would be screaming the same way if he had failed to rat on a girl”

    tell it to roman polanski

  627. That is such a fundamentally flawed question that it makes me want to question your sanity.

    I’m sorry, but I’m not a regular in the comment section, here. He’s been calling me an evil monkey…which seems trollish to me.

  628. listen “free love things” you can’t have sex with minors ok?

  629. I said you associate him haphazardly with pedophilia. Which you do… the title to your evil monkey screechings calls him a pervert.

    This guy does not deserve your vicious guilt-by-association tactics. Where has the Kevster ever spoken out in favor of child fucking? Nowhere. And you know it, evil monkey.

    Now I have to go. I will pray for you, evil monkey. With both hands.

  630. ‘feets is the most best-loved commentator in these parts, Nice Deb. I’m sure this is all a misunderstanding between collegial sorts, and will blow over quickly.

    But associating Kevin Randall Flagg Jennings with NAMBLA just because he has an associate that knew somebody there or something is a Charles Johnson tactic; those should be avoided at all costs. Because CJ is a crazed and worthless piece of baboon shit.

  631. “This guy does not deserve your vicious guilt-by-association tactics.”

    neither the O! guy: wright,ayers,jarret,holden,jones,acorn et al

  632. we need a celtic cross of abuse. gotta blame christians somehow.

  633. The thing missing in all this discussion is, “why this guy?” There have to be hundreds, thousands of qualified people without any baggage who could be appointed. This also goes to the whole question of “why all the czars?”

    In this I bow to this post by Ric Locke.

    This is who Obama wants to run the “Safe Schools” program. Come hell or high water he is the one. The question is what does he bring to this particular program that no one else can bring?

    My belief is his advocacy of the GLBT agenda is a part of it but is mainly a smoke screen. Like Obama’s race it provides a cover to throw up. Homophobic bigot instead of racist. The real part is where he is now and what he advocates now.

    Jennings is on the board of the Union Theological Seminary, which is “progressive and evangelical.” “Union Theological Seminary – Independent, multi-denominational seminary, educating leaders and ministers, workers for social justice, teachers and scholars.

    This is what he was hired for. The gay thing is mostly bait to deflect the argument to a place they feel comfortable they can win or at least keep a constituency welded to Obama.

  634. hey is dave letterman going to comment or is andy sullivan busy with beagles?

  635. But associating Kevin Randall Flagg Jennings with NAMBLA just because he has an associate that knew somebody there or something

    No, he expressed his *admiration* for him in a speech I linked to above.

    Jennings also edited a book called Becoming Visible: A Reader in Gay and Lesbian History for High School and College Students which included a biographical sketch on Harry Hay. One of GLSEN’s Education Department resources also lists a work on Harry Hay.

    Look, GLSEN is a group founded and directed by Jennings. I find its activities to be more than “queer theory” I find it perverted, and sickening. Sorry, but we have a profound difference of opinion, here.

  636. I agree with serr8d. “Nice” Deb appears to be way out in Charles Johnson territory.

  637. Forgot to add.

    Think Father Pfleger and Rev. Jeremiah Wright, politics not sexual orientation.

  638. ““Nice” Deb appears to be way out in Charles Johnson territory.”

    b/c O!fraud never ever puts people in power who have abused power ask timmy geitner?

  639. “politics not sexual orientation.”

    difference without a distinction. ie harvey milk democrat

    http://www.milkoc.org/HMSDOC/Welcome.html

  640. Charles Johnson territory? Like associating Atlas Shrugs with fascism because she spoke at a conference that included a group he doesn’t like that has questionably fascist overtones?

    I’m not saying he’s associated with a questionable group. I say he is founder and executive director of the questionable group. And the group’s not that questionable. It all about promoting the gay agenda in schools.

  641. me i hate the ghey people b/c they gave us avocado in the ’70’s

  642. Happyfeet is most certainly not a scumbag, and you need to apologize for that Deb.

    I’m kinda on your side here, but that ain’t right. Chill a little and there might could be a discussion.

  643. I’m not saying he’s associated with a questionable group. I say he is founder and executive director of the questionable group. And the group’s not that questionable. It all about promoting the gay agenda in schools.

    What is the conservative gay agenda in schools? To pretend that people choose to be gay?

  644. I’ll apologize to him for calling him a scumbag after he apologizes to me for calling e an evil monkey.

  645. “Because CJ is a crazed and worthless piece of baboon shit.”

    EVERYONE who has connected to this site and read that is BANNED, I SAY! BANNED FOR LIFE FROM TEH INTRATUBES! Because those pixels are posted by a blogger who is linked to white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain (a man who associates with neo-Nazis and outright hate groups like American Renaissance and POWIP and Protein Wisdom and Classical Values and…and…PAJAMAS MEDIA!) and his deranged one-sided “war” against my beloved clone-factory LGF.

    POWER DOWN NOW I SAY! Or I’ll send Sharmuta and Wild Irish Rose to pull your PLUGS!

  646. Y’all know that Massachusetts is the evil pulsing heart of filthy socialisms, right? San Francisco is just a distraction. They wanna do bad things to you, as if 47 years of Teddy wasn’t enough. Scary, scary things happen to people in Massachusetts.

  647. There should be no gay agendas right or left in schools.

  648. Was that the real Abe?

  649. What kind of people would elect both Mitt Romney and Deval Patrick? Evil people, that’s who.

  650. “To pretend that people choose to be gay?”

    seems pretty ANTI DARWIN

  651. god or allah we have creationists amongst us

  652. so are the sex obsessed leftoids created or just lunatics

  653. Hmmmph. As long as progressives control schools (and with the NEA in place, it’s likely to last for a long, long time) there will be progressive agendas. Schools get more infested with agenda-pushing yearly; indoctrination begins earlier, and as parents pull away and cede responsibilities the schools fill in for them with…more disturbing agendas.

    Having this Jennings installed is troubling. At least there’s enough noise from the Right side to put him on notice. If that’s all we get out of this, maybe it’ll be enough to scare some parents into paying closer attention. -laughs-

    A small win, and not very likely.

  654. “There should be no gay agendas right or left in schools.”

    There should be no sexual agendas of any kind. The purpose of the schools is to educate in the basics needed to be a civilized adult in our country. They can’t even accomplish that because of all the extra garbage thrown in.

    Vouchers, home schooling, competition for the “public schools” is the solution to so much of these fiery situations.

    The Left wants the controversy. They benefit from it. Everywhere there is emotional chaos they are there stirring the shit if it looks as if it will calm down. It’s why they troll so much. They may even be going wide release.

  655. god or allah we have creationists amongst us

    Ummm…I won’t touch that one. That’s a wearying topic.

  656. “That’s a wearying topic.”

    And very CJ.

  657. “Ummm…I won’t touch that one. That’s a wearying topic.”

    you are born gay (ok) or you become gay (ok).

    if you are born gay darwin kills you fast. if you become gay then don’t party in iran

  658. newrouter, “It doesn’t, and you can’t, I won’t, and it don’t, it hasn’t, it isn’t, it even ain’t! and it shouldn’t, it couldn’t.” And I ain’t, either.

  659. Was that the real Abe?

    Well, yeah. I’m not going to pretend this is an issue I care much about, but I suppose the benefit of having lots of gay friends and acquaintances is knowing what a living hell coming to terms with being gay was when growing up for almost all of them. Schools have a place in helping to alleviate that, and as long as conservatives are wholly in denial it is sort of inevitable that radicalized gay activists will fill the vacuum because you can’t rely on liberals to be the adults in the room with regard to any of their mascots.

  660. Abe – I do not think “conservatives” are in any kind of denial. Some, sure, but not the.collective.

  661. Okay, I changed the wording of the title of my post. Pervert was too strong if people were inferring that I meant he was a pedophile himself. But I do think he’s a perv if that taped conference is any indication of what his group promotes to school children, and-no, I don’t believe that was an isolated incident.

    And if in fact he did say he admired a known NAMBLA promoter, per the transcript from a speech he gave that was published in The Lambda Report -that is disturbing, to say the least. That’s not CJ style guilt by association, people. Has political correctness made us completely lose our moral compasses?

    I think it’s very possible that if the noise got loud enough, Jennings could go the way of Van Jones.

  662. I’ve got gay friends, and one thing is clear to me, and I make it clear to them…

    They should not adopt and raise kids. Adopting kids is like parenting kids (hey, a concept there!) and you can’t parent kids properly without the presence of a man and a woman, ideally of course, and don’t start with single-parent bleats please. Single parenting isn’t so good either, and is contraindicated for properly adjusted kids.

    As long as parenting and schooling have deep moats between them, then sure, gay teachers are fine, and if those gay teachers aren’t obviously overtly whacky they are equal to and maybe better than their counterparts.

    But adopting and raising kids? Gays shouldn’t get to do that. If that’s denial, then that’s denial. Nuanced denial, ya know?

  663. Comment by Darleen on 10/3 @ 8:45 am

    Why won’t Barrett speak to me? Hell, I’ll give him my phone number.

    Word. Nothing I would like more than for any of these tools to come down to Athens for a week or so and meet the folks I hang out with and call friends. There fucking heads would explode.

  664. That is a good thing what you did, Nice Deb.

    But also I think your post should recognize that the people what talked about fisting were answering a question from kids who went out of their way to go to the university where they were cause of they had a hankering all on their own to hear all about teh gay sex.

    These people didn’t work for Kevin’s organization, they were just at a seminar or whatever his group had organized.

    here is from your link…

    GLSEN’S ‘FISTGATE’ IN MASSACHUSETTS

    The most notorious education scandal involving homosexual activists is a GLSEN-sponsored conference that occurred on March 25, 2000, dubbed “Fistgate” by conservatives. Three homosexual activists employed by the Massachusetts Departments of Health and Education led a youth workshop titled “What They Didn’t Tell You about Queer Sex & Sexuality in Health Class” – part of the annual Boston-GLSEN “Teach Out” conference held at Tufts University. The “Queer Sex” session, advertised to “youth only ages 14 to 21,” was attended by Massachusetts family advocate Scott Whitemen, who taped it while standing in the back of the room.

    In the workshop, instructor Michael Gaucher, prompted by a teen’s question, verbally guided the students on the mechanics of “fisting” – a homosexual slang term for a sadistic sex act in which a man inserts his hand and arm into another person’s anal cavity. Another instructor, Margot Abels, said fisting “often gets a really bad rap,” and described it innocuously as “an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with.” Abels and Gaucher also guided the students on techniques of oral sodomy and lesbian sex.

    ohnoes… you know that seminar on teh gay sex I went to? It was all about teh gay sex! It was awful. That’s the last time I ever sign up for a gay sex seminar ever believe you me.

  665. The Kevster does not promote “fisting” to the kiddies, and it’s really not right to make it sound like he does.

  666. But adopting and raising kids? Gays shouldn’t get to do that.

    Bullshit. A well balanced gay couple adopting a kid is far superior to getting bounced around from one foster family to another.

  667. Damn. I had a nice chicken salad sandwich cut up and ready to eat. So much for that.

  668. B Moe did you see the link for the Japanese guitar guy louchette is gonna go see? Here. He seems like he’s pretty talented, like he has a gift I thought.

  669. Ideally, BMoe, we agree that a man and a woman is the preferable child-raising arrangement?

    This certainly isn’t an ideal world. But I prefer to strive for that idealness.

    Most gay couples I know don’t want to have anything to do with kids. It’s part of that missing gene thing I guess.

  670. i know. anal and cavity are two words that don’t ever need to be right next to each other.

  671. @ 686; That guy shouldn’t even be linked on the same page as my #676 shredder linky.

  672. I think to a big extent gay people get the hardest to place kids. I’m not sure but my friend J would know. She’s like a big… Trevor Project person. Anyway, I think she said they hardly ever get babies they get like 2 & 3 year olds no one wants. Then they take them shopping.

  673. I’m with geoffb and serr8d on this one gang. I don’t believe there should be any sexual “agenda” in schools; but as with other important values and beliefs they should be instilled in children by their parents. For too long parents have surrendered that right to the state, and the result has been the long march through the academy, and it’s transformation from an institution of learning into one of indoctrination in the “correct” ways of thinking…

    And for the life of me I don’t understand how this fellow is the head of a seminary. But I’m an eeeeevollll Catholic; so according to the narrative that makes me among the most intolerant h8ters in wingerdom…

    Unless, of course, I’m a cafeteria Catholic like Kerry, Biden, and Pelosi…

    I have nothing against gay folks, and have known many, especially when I lived in DC. But I do have a problem with the militant gay mainstreaning agenda…

  674. Yes, I understand that it was in answer to a question. Perhaps I’m just a prude, but think that they should have demurred from that one. These were kids as young as 14. The whole thing is just wrong.

    If Kevin Jennings ran a respectable operation, it wouldn’t be sponsoring such depraved stuff.

  675. It was a Gay Sex seminar, Deb. They talked about the Gay Sex. What are you gonna do?

  676. Ideally, BMoe, we agree that a man and a woman is the preferable child-raising arrangement?

    Ideally, the man and woman that brings a child into the world should raise it. They should also ideally love one another and support themselves without any other help.

    But since that doesn’t happen, given the choice between two gay folks that love one another and work for a living and want to commit their lives to adopting a child, thereby taking responsibility for it until adult hood; or a couple of heterosexual misfits, who take it foster kids like misfit pets on the taxpayers dime; I vote gay folks.

  677. YOU’RE GOING TO SERVE ME A CHICKEN SALAD SANDWICH WITH A HAND THAT’S BEEN A FIST THAT’S BEEN WHERE???????

  678. Serr8d, that isn’t what I meant at all by by denial. I was referring to how traumatic it is for teens when coming to terms with being gay. As much as it is preferable for schools to leave sex to how parents choose to approach it, gay kids don’t necessarily have the luxury of parental wisdom to draw upon. Schools can play a positive role in that regard.

    As far as adoption and shit, it certainly isn’t ideal. But worth thinking about is that the more one marginalizes teh gheys, the more you create a subset of the population which is at war with the very culture we try so hard to protect. Would you prefer Andi Powerglutes as a happily married man with two adopted kids to the homoradical loon he’s turned into because the weight of a culture at war with him finally blew a circuit in his frontal lobe?

  679. Cable tv is way more heavy on the gay agenda than your average school I’d bet.

  680. What are you gonna do?

    Write about it on my blog?

  681. I am kind of late to this discussion and a bit drunk, so bear with me if I can’t catch up.

    Fisting isn’t an exclusively gay thing, I know straight, married people who do it.

    I still don’t think we need to be talking to teenagers about it.

  682. I’m not sure gay kids are all that “traumatized”. At least not at my kids’ school. They seem very open and proud of it. And we live in a fairly conservative district.

  683. People feel very very comfortable talking to you, B Moe. I know this about you.

  684. I don’t think Barret does, but otherwise, yeah, it is kind of cool.

  685. …because the weight of a culture at war with him finally blew a circuit in his frontal lobe?

    Well, biologically speaking, there’s already a fractured circuit somewhere up there. The question is, is it a naturally-occurring fracture, or a learned fracture? Is the ‘condition’ a genetic abnormality or just a built-in different normalacy? I recall a few Pub posts, Dan Collins hosting, that delved into this very issue. But I’m not looking for ‘em tonight. I’m fisted out, or something.

    Innate biological motivators, those hard-wired phobias, are decidedly anti-gay. It’s programmed species survival at it’s fittest.

  686. Fisting isn’t an exclusively gay thing, I know straight, married people who do it.

    I’ve been accused of it, but no, that’s not a fist… )

  687. B Moe did you see the link for the Japanese guitar guy louchette is gonna go see?

    It’s okay, but I don’t know what he is trying to say, other than he is a tricky guitar player.

    This is what I am about. Or was back in 1995.

  688. Happyfeet,

    Hello. I’m Victor. that’s who.

    p.s. really liked the jroker video.

  689. that’s nice … it sounds familiar and … is there a cd?

  690. Innate biological motivators, those hard-wired phobias, are decidedly anti-gay. It’s programmed species survival at it’s fittest.

    Yet they are still here.

  691. oh – that was for B Moe…

    Hi Victor! I don’t remember which video you mean – you comment sometimes but not a lot and I always wonder why you have a period. Not many people have periods is why I notice. I have my new favorite video I already linked for louchette at #522 but here’s another one by the same ones.

  692. oh. since this is the big gay thread let’s link big gay Sam. He’s almost up to ten million.

  693. that’s nice?

    You are possibly the only English speaking person on the planet who would call that song nice, lol.

  694. well – about the hand and where I put my hand and the lyrics stuff I sort of figured I was missing the irony part… that guy has a good southern voice though for that music… it remindered me of Texas… dance halls and such. We still have thingers called dance halls there. You don’t see that here in Los Angeles. I don’t think anyway.

  695. oh… Victor. I get it. jrocker – that was louchette’s word – yes – I’m gonna click around his stuff the next few days – he seems very original

  696. Why are you people arguing in bad faith? Why isn’t there a difference of viewpoints? Why are you using logical fallacies and demonization?

    WHERE IS THE PRODUCTIVE DISCOURSE, WINGNUTS?

    (I know it isn’t here, because a very important “article” will soon be out telling the world so).

  697. that article ain’t getting any fresher I don’t think

  698. darwin doesn’t do gay guys

  699. we don’t really know who Darwin did or didn’t do I don’t think… not when he was on that island anyway… not for sure

  700. is darwin what? me f**k darwin. and have a happy f22k with your genitalia

  701. “we don’t really know who Darwin did or didn’t do I don’t think”

    “sitting on the dock of the bay”
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sitting+on+the+dock+of+the+bay+youtube&docid=1334196437719&FORM=VIRE2

  702. #718 Given the reputation of the British Navy at the time, we just don’t know.

    Wasn’t it Churchill who referred to “rum, sodomy, and the lash”?

  703. The Darwinian argument only holds water if you assume:

    1) The only reason people have sex is procreation.
    2) Nominally gay people never have reproductive sex.

    Hint: neither is true.

  704. #715: Yes, it’s another Saturday night of CRUSHING DISSENT in the Protein Wisdom reich-wing echo chamber!

    What this thread really needs, I think, is a 500 post series from Barrett on the evils of the Catholic Church.

  705. I think the fundamental question that must be asked in the Kevin situation is this: Why did the kid even relate the information to an adult in the first place? A cry for attention? A need for approval? A need for disapproval?

    As someone who as high school student was sexually abused by a high school teacher, I can tell you my thoughts…

    A) the kid knew it was wrong and was looking for guidance on some level.
    B) the kid would continue to do it knowing it was wrong because he was a kid and didn’t have confidence in himself to turn down “a fun time” and was looking for a way out of that inescapable predicament.
    C) the kid would have and still has issues with sex and almost certainly has issues with self hate due to this.
    D) the kid was absolutely not served by the “wear a condom” approach.

    In my situation, the teacher incident lead to many years of promiscuous sex. Promiscuous sex (and the disgust with oneself from doing it) lead to casual drugs. Only through a realization that I was going to end up dead or worse, I cleaned up my act. At the time I thought I was so hip, but I was fooling myself. Now one bout of cervical cancer later, I can tell you that for all the “good times” I had, I’d gladly trade them all for one adult to have realized all the hints I dropped and intervened.

    I would have been mad as hell at the time, but I now realize that all the close calls I had were cries for help that went unanswered. I sometimes wonder what kind of life I would have now had those calls been answered. Don’t get me wrong, I have cleaned up my life and have a good life and husband and family, but the baggage from that time is still haunting me. Not only sexually but self esteem wise, delayed college education wise, lost earnings wise and many other wise. The effects of this manifest in many subtle ways.

    So whether the teacher should have intervened, he should have… would the kid have been traumatized by the intervention, yes, but he was also traumatized by no intervention. That is why the state laws don’t allow for the discretion of the teacher. This guy was wrong and has no place near kids with that kind of judgment. Although, when I was in high school I would have thought he was an asshole for intervening.

    Now put the adult in you back in charge and think this situation through. Happy feets I love ya, but in this case, once the kid opened his mouth he was, at some level, looking for help with a situation he was in and was unsure of. The “gay” issue is a negligible part of the problem. The kid had doubts over what he had done – not because it was gay sex, but because the situation itself was one he recognized was flawed in some way. As a teenager he couldn’t wrap his head around why he had problems with the situation and the teacher basically told him nothing to resolve that dilemma…

    You don’t go to an adult and confide something that you are not conflicted about do you? So the conflict remained and I guarantee you manifested in other ways that were not not mentally healthy. Internal conflict leads no where good…

  706. We had to fail, it was too far

    “My friend, love’s end has come
    It couldn’t last, had to stop
    You drained it all to the last drop”

    Now my heart’s drowned in no love.

  707. I hear you… that’s not good and it’s not good you’re having to remember all that today… what I said earlier I want to repeat cause I think it was easy to overlook…

    if Mr. J goes down from a deliberation based on how you [Mikey] and Darleen and Blitz and Mark and everybody here argue … that’s okay I guess.

    I think that’s fine. I’m hardly the expert on what’s best for kids. My argument is more with the idea that this guy is an evil pervert/pedophile et cetera whatever… which, cause hardly anyone here is making that argument I don’t think it came across very clear. Kevin himself said he made a bad call, though I don’t think he believes that really.

    Does he have to pay for that bad call with his job? Maybe. We’ll see. Me I would still vote to keep him on the dirty socialist island. I think intent matters and I don’t think Kevin thought he was being negligent. But if he goes it’s just the way of it I think. What I’m arguing for is if he’s to be dismissed, it should be precisely for the reasons you and Mikey and others state.

    Does that make sense?

  708. It does to me happyfeet.

    In my own view the “incident” with the student is a wired bomb that the Left has set. A political IED.

    The evidence for it is written and audio statements by Jennings himself. Statements which themselves are somewhat contradictory. They smell of someone “enhancing” a story which itself may or may not be true. Then we have the student being found by the, oh so, non-partisan Media Matters and giving a somewhat exculpatory anonymous statement.

    His other involvements such as GLSEN and the book forward are fodder to use but are pale stuff without the student thing to set them off. As I stated the “gay” thing is a trap which is there to be used to hold one of the Left’s victim groups from straying.

    It is an assumption on the Right that the czars are not vetted. I do not think that is the case. They are picked for their political leanings true but they are also picked so that attacks can be channeled in ways that benefit the Left in the long run. To rewrite a phrase from another era. They each have attached to them a “hundred dollar bill to drag through the trailer park” that the Right is viewed as being by the Left. We have to avoid grabbing the bill and grab the string instead so as to get the real culprit.

    Shorter version also a modified Clinton era thing. “It’s the Stupid Socialism.”

  709. I’m sure glad this is a right-wing echo chamber where everybody agrees on everything all the time.

  710. “Ditto”

  711. Does he have to pay for that bad call with his job? Maybe.

    If his job was totally unrelated, I would even go with probably not. But since this “bad decision” that he was proud of up until just a few days ago directly relates to his ability to do his job, I say fire his ass.

  712. This from Noel @coldfury pretty much sums up my attitude re: Mr. Jennings..

    And why does the president have an Education Czar who thinks his job is “Queering Elementary Education” and thinks that public schools exist as a kind of E-Harmony Dating Service for NAMBLA? If parents wanted their children sodomized, they’d let Roman Polanski baby-sit. They send their kids to school to be educated, not seduced or indoctrinated.

    But I’m not motivated enough to write angry letters to my congressperps or even do a blog post. This guy isn’t as big a fish as was Van Jones. Maybe it’s because my kid is out of school.

    (OH, and that video I linked @705 is NOT Frank Zappa. It’s Steve Vai, who released it in 1998, 5 years after FZ died. FZ despised drug usage. Hate it when YouTube posters lie like that.)

  713. It is an assumption on the Right that the czars are not vetted.

    Speak for thyself. I think they are in fact vetted very carefully to do as much damage to the country as possible. What they have forgotten is that you can’t really hide all the skeletons in the internet age. Either that, or the superiority complex of the Left is leading them to assume it doesn’t matter. After all, if the NYT doesn’t report on it, it didn’t happen. That is also a casualty of the internet.

    The problem is that O! and crew have a very deep bench of scum to draw on from several professions (look at snowblower and Barrett Brown). They have probably decided that we can’t block the whole attack, and, like any terrorists, they don’t have to be as lucky at getting through as America does at stopping them.

  714. “But I’m not motivated enough to write angry letters to my congressperps or even do a blog post. This guy isn’t as big a fish as was Van Jones. Maybe it’s because my kid is out of school.”

    I should think it matters even if your kids are out. Maybe I am selfish because mine are both grade schoolers and will have to suffer the next 3.5-7.5 years under the DoE and folks like that in charge of “making schools safe”.

    I’m at a loss for words – I feel crappy and I still have to drive 4 hours home from State HQ.

  715. Slightly more competent this time, Barrett.

    You still don’t Get It.

    Sorry.

  716. Barrett reveals more about the emptiness of his debating style than he’d probably like in his latest post.

  717. By debating style do you mean the whole mendoucheous twatwaffle thingie he does?

  718. I should think it matters even if your kids are out. Maybe I am selfish because mine are both grade schoolers and will have to suffer the next 3.5-7.5 years under the DoE and folks like that in charge of “making schools safe”.

    Put them in private schools. I think it is more important than college, honest to God.

  719. By debating style do you mean the whole mendoucheous twatwaffle thingie he does?

    That would be my general clinical assessment. But I was more drawn to the bedwettingly grandiose set up he used to then segue into a collection of petty disputes with individuals on a blog. That sums up his quality of mind. Barrett sort of basks in his own brilliance by pitting himself against the madness of crowds as though he’s invented the wheel when what he’s positing is, in fact, basic human nature and understood by everyone. It’s called passion. Poor little contrarian lightweight Barrett, the verbose chimp with his nose to the glass.

  720. Your harsh words are deying peace to Ugada, Abe.

  721. You are quite welcome flitting moribund-thread ghost. Hoot away. Oh and thank the dear leader while you are at it as none of it could have happened without him. He is special.

  722. “As it stands, I find it repulsive that a US President was out campaigning for his Chicago pol friends in so ostentatious a way.”

    He should have taken the approach taken by the leaders of the other contender countries.

  723. But I was more drawn to the bedwettingly grandiose set up he used to then segue into a collection of petty disputes with individuals on a blog.

    Yeah, the Ultimate Exposure of People Who Were Mean to Me on a Blog thing is, um, frightfully pathetic. It’s the intertubes, Bunky. Nut up, especially if you’re going to be a douchebag. Life is hard.

  724. Full disclosure: I haven’t read it and don’t intend to. Did I miss anything?

  725. He should have taken the approach taken by the leaders of the other contender countries.

    Yes. Because why hold ourselves to higher standards? The arrogance!

  726. Full disclosure: I haven’t read it and don’t intend to. Did I miss anything?

    No.

  727. Hiya, Jeff. I was just reading this and it made me think of you.

    You can’t fight your way across a slanted battlefield like that with quietly respectable speeches and erudite policy papers, submitted as genteel points of order. You can’t have leaders whose monocles drop from their widened eyes, as they reel in astonishment from savage and unfair attacks. You get around the media by saying things they have to repeat, expressed in language the public will find unforgettable. You provoke so much interest that people shove biased journalists aside, as they rush to pick up a copy of your book.

    I think you might be a little behind on pissing people off.

  728. Oh, this. Less bourbon, more HTML.

  729. Scram, maya. Stick with Huffpo where you’re considered brilliant.

  730. The reaction to this olympics thing has been quite a hoot.

    I especially liked Valerie Jarrett comparing the IOC to an Iowa caucus.

  731. #751: Obama’s big mistakes were not flying enough SEIU thugs into Copenhagen, and not arranging for ACORN to be in charge of the IOC balloting process.

  732. At best Mr. Barret Brown resembles an intellectual redneck ninja: He’s studied the mental Norrises and Segals and now he’s equipped to deliver some rhetorical judy chops.

    And yes, HuffPo is nearly the blog world’s Jerry Springer show.

  733. I just finished reading Barrett Brown’s (aka “Barriticus” .. no kidding, that’s his Photobucket screen name) cry-me-a-river whine-fest screed, and his Daily Kos diary. From what deep well of sorrowful bitterness and envy does “Barriticus” get the nerve to question PW’s comment section when he’s a lapdog diarist in the most bunkered-down and nassty, evil, under-bridge-troll-minded blog on the planet? Remember Daily Kos’ diarists’ reactions after the death of Tony Snow? Has anyone tried to post there who’s not of their full-metal-straight-jacketed mindset, and kept their account? For shame, Barret Brown. That KOS membership sullys any thing else you post anywhere (yes, Sullys, as in Andrew).

    “Barriticus” tries to posit a link between the coming “new” world wide internet, one that’s no longer controlled by the US, a tenuous argument at best; he lamely suggests that the rest of the world’s opinions of the U.S.A will be changed and damaged by exposure to PW’s commenters. As if every other person on the planet with internet access is suddenly going to descend on any blog and delve into reading the comments. I know I do every day, don’t you? I especially enjoy reading those political blogs in China, where we find comments from the heart and soul of the free and happy populace.

    Even is there was such a worldwide descent into blogger’s comments as Barrett imagines, then “Barriticus” might concern himself with his own meager comment section, which now features the creature timb, “timmah”, who was dwarf-tossed out of PW hundreds of times and still pathetically crawls around the blogs looking to trash Jeff G. That’s some unrequited love poor timmah is caught up in.

    Timmah found a person with whom to share his pinings in the whining poison-pen posted by “Barriticus”.

    You two girls pass notes and giggle behind your hands now, you hear? As a couple of billet-doux twisted sisters.

  734. …which now features the creature timb, “timmah”, who was dwarf-tossed out of PW hundreds of times and still pathetically crawls around the blogs looking to trash Jeff G.

    Timmah!?! Shocka!

    So it’s on Daily Kos? What happened to Huffpo?

  735. So I guess since the perception is that all the paying traffic, and kool kidz, hang out on the port side of the political spectrum, Barriticus has traded his “libertarian” bona fides for “progressive” ones instead…

    Sounds like an exchange of integrity for opportunity to me…

  736. OK, I admit it. I read BB’s piece. Twice.

    I found it to be incomprehensible, dishonest (at times) and down right schizophrenic. I mean the world and teh freeing intertubes and Uganda and PW and meany commentators and intelligent commentators and consequenses and genius Jeff G and prickly Jeff G and … what?

    If anybody, and mean anybody, has any idea what he was trying to convey beyond “BB been treated badly but deserved it sometimes,” … send me an E-mail.

  737. #757
    He was never a libertarian. His whole schtick was to lure one of us to siding with one of his nebulous positions and jump out and yell,”Gottcha!” Unfortunately he was o subtle that he didn’t even know what he was talking about.

  738. I think he’s a for real libertarian cause of over at his site there’s a thinger where it says he works with a group that’s all yay establishment clause. Also Jeff has said so.

  739. The Libertarian and libertarians of 2009 are quite a different creature from those of 1989 or 1999. 9-11 and the events of the Bush years changed what many political terms meant. Similar to what the late 1960s did to the term “liberal”.

  740. Libertarian “Party”

  741. Happyfeet,
    Jeff said that BB was a libertarian/anarchist. Most of his posts here have been contrarian. He claims to have been critical of the left but I searched for evidence in his articles and found that any criticism of the left was mild and usually used as a setup for harsher criticism for someone on the right.

  742. Isn’t this vomitbucket from Texas? I just wonder because being in NYC I frequently play a game similar to what Barrett does – from the opposite perspective. Being surrounded by obnoxiously opinionated leftards I find it an easy way to gracefully extract my pound of flesh and impart how stupid I think they are without having an easy target on my own back. Of course I mainly do it as a social survival reflex, but Barrett plays that game for reals which makes him quite a mendoucheous scumbag.

  743. Apparently he did not like me mocking him. Oh, the horror. I am very very very very embarassed.

  744. So, did he ever break a thousand page views?

    It’s no longer listed in the stats on the front page, and I’m not about to go spelunking in that lefty cesspit looking for it.

  745. A Google search shows 1065 page views whenever it last went through there.

  746. If anybody, and mean anybody, has any idea what he was trying to convey beyond “BB been treated badly but deserved it sometimes,” … send me an E-mail.


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  747. If this is the level you wingnuts want to inhabit, your Republican Party will continue to remain a rump political party composed of society’s fringe: The secessionists, racists, “birthers,” and the other “flat-earther” types.

  748. Hi Sam. Welcome to the radical, racist hardcore Republican right wing. Are you skeered yet?

  749. Danger, Danger, Danger:

    Are you back from R and R, or only dropping in momentarily for a short visit? On the new tools front, what if any scoop do you have on the MC-12’s? Are they a yippee! sort a deal or just another bolt in the bucket do you think?

  750. Thanks, geoffb.

  751. I was just asking because I’m finna ride that ass. So, where do your kids got to school?

  752. ts want to inhabit, your Republican Party will continue to remain a rump political party composed of society’s fringe: The secessionists, racists, “birthers,” and the other “flat-earther” types.

    Oh Sam, Sam, Sam … we’ve heard that SO MUCH for the last eleven months. I’m thinking it’s looking like it’s time for you folks to find a new meme.

  753. If this is the level you wingnuts want to inhabit, your Republican Party will continue to remain a rump political party composed of society’s fringe: The secessionists, racists, “birthers,” and the other “flat-earther” types.

    Yawn. Not worth the effort to dissect such stupidity. Have a nice day moonbat.

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