The hateful racist looney who shot and killed the guard, we’re being told, proves that the DHS report on “right-wing extremists” was correct.
Jawans profile the guy, and find:
* He hates Bush.
* He hates the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
* Hates Jews and blacks.
* Holocaust denier.
* Hates Christians, especially Catholics.
* Doesn’t think Hitler went far enough.
* He is a 9-11 Troother.
* Anti-Illuminati.
* Eugenicist.
* Perhaps most importantly, ex-military.
* Alternately, perhaps most importantly, is a Nirther.
On the whole, he’s rather like Ahmadinejad, in short, except that he’s a White Supremacist rather than an Islamist. So, I’d like Charles to explain what it is that he represents. Does he represent “right-wing extremism” as well as the Unibomber represented that of “the left,” for example? Is he just like Pamela Geller?
Serr8d has more on this at the Pub.
If you’ve got time to go to Carin’s and engage the troll named Bob, please do.
Will Matt Finkelstein admit that this aged monster is rather hard to pigeonhole, or that this might be the third hate-related shooting in a month?
At Salon, Joan Walsh repeats the two hate-related shootings in two weeks formula, apparently accepting Bledsoe’s argument that his hatred was justified hatred.
Cranky Con puts it into perspective, by noting that the slain guard’s family probably doesn’t really care how we attempt to categorize him.
Well, I am sure even reptilian brained Charles is wrestling with those issues Dan. But Andrew Sullivan came right out and ask for an apology to Janet Napalitano (remember her report on right wing extremism and terrorism).
So he’s a fascist.
Fascism is a heresy of the left, not the right.
So, no, not a right-wing extremist, a left-wing extremist.
Janet Napolitano is the bomb is what he’s saying. Not like that nasty Judge Napolitano. Also, Glenn Beck!!!1!
So is the distinction in Jew hatred just in degree between Wright and Von Brunn.
Oh, and the DHS report is totally vindicated because von Brunn is one of those returning combat vets what got radicalized. Told ya!
#5 – I still haven’t scheduled my time to board a CTA train with a chainsaw and go nuts yet…
“With the Tiller shooting and now this — the DHS report that caused such an uproar has been vindicated.
The report was a heads-up to law enforcement, warning of a risk of increased attacks from right wing extremists, and with two attacks in two weeks (in addition to the cop killer in Pittsburgh, the white nationalist with components for a dirty bomb, the plot by skinheads to assassinate Obama, and more) it looks like the heads-up was well warranted.”
Fuck you, Charles, you blind lemon moonbat.
Dan, it’s a fairly simple calculus in my book…
As you listed:
Anti-semite
Racist
Eugenist
Anti-Catholic
Anti-NeoCon
Holocaust Denier
Admirer of Hitler who dodn’t think he went far enough…
All those other factors are simple constants, as we say in the math business…
‘Cuz when you integrate the factors I’ve ticked off, you arrive at the same answer every time; Nutty Neo-Nazi!
And as all here are well aware, Nazism is a partcular branch of socialism, which is a left wing ideology…
So, he’s no winger; but since he had his own website, I’m tempted to label him a nutroot!
I think I need a Venn diagram to show me where my views intersect with the shooters. That would be informational.
Via Hot Air:
This shitbag hated Christians, period. Full Stop!
http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2009/06/antichristian_white_supremacis.html
Message to Andrew and Charles –
Did Napolitiano’s briefing indicate predictors of terrorist behavior such as, say, “Previous History of Gun Violations in Federal Buildings, Attempted Kidnappings, &c”
Does a person saying their “right-wing” simply make it so?
Is there some sort of objective way to measure a person’s “right-
Does the age of the perpetrator enter into this at all?
If this person was a central actor in the right-wing movement, tracked by Southern Poverty Law Center, who also had a web-site, why was he, by all accounts, poor?
Isn’t the fact that LGF is now being “digged” mean that you are becoming a bit of a douchebag/useful idiot?
Cheers.
Oh, and to hell with Charles Johnson…
I’ve never cared for his site, he smells like a “Colin Powell” conservative to me, I don’t like self-righteous “evolutionists” any more than sanctimonious religious types, and I especially don’t like that he doesn’t have the balls to deal with any dischord in his little echo chamber and squelches all points of view he doesn’t agree with…
I understand that his behavior has been increasingly abberant of late, and I wish him a speedy recovery from whatever is affecting his mental state; I mean, I’m sure he’s a good man, in the, you know, Patterico sense of the word and all…
But the way he’s talkin’ he may as well start guest hostin’ diaries for Kos, because his proclamations are that of a palavering popinjay…
I find it almost comical that those so quick to label terrorists as such so quickly become quietly reticent when the perpetrator is a white guy.So much for calling a spade a spade(sic).
Do you think this attack will be used against the right?
M Dove, Von Brunn is a terrorist. What he is not is a right wing terrorist.
Oh, yes. White People must acknowledge that he represents them, M. Dove.
But wait . . . even White Proggs?
Laugh away, then M Dove. Because I’m not comfortable with calling these folks anything of the sort. This is “political violence” – which needs to be squelched wherever it is found.
I believe there is a common thread in all three of these incidents. The actors are “radical.” They were also all crazy motherfuckers, so there is that too.
I think, though, that the terrorism label is really only meaningful when the actors have a capacity to carry out more than one incident. Either because they are not caught, or because they are part of a larger movement.
Since it appears that each one of these guys were lone nutjobs… I say the terrorist label doesn’t git.
git – fit.
M Dove is a mental midget.
As the guy is an anti-Christian, antisemitic eugenicist, he sounds like a progressive to me.
M Dove – where was your fucking outrage when Pvt Long was murdered by a black Muslim, who was under investigation for having ties to actual terrorists? Fuck off, you mindless troll. Until the murder of a serviceman gets even 1/10th the coverage as the murder of an abortion doctor or this Nutbag finally losing it, your fake and obscene moral preening can be shoved right up your ass.
“political violence†– which needs to be squelched wherever it is found.
Something odd about 3 shootings in what — a month?– and the nutjobs coming from different closets. It’s like Obama is the bureaucrat in “Ghost Busters” who opened the demon box.
So, a Nazi (aka, National Socialist). I hate those guys.
I sort of expected him to be called “right wing” though, since that’s synonymous with “people we disagree with” among the press. Even the British National Party is referred to as “right wing” among the MSM. Sadly inaccurate, but true.
M Dove,
It has nothing to do with race, but more to do with the act’s purpose…
Von Brunn was simply a whacko who wanted to kill people of a certain racial ethnic group; a deranged murderer, no more no less. The same is true for Dr. Tiller’s murderer, although admittedly he did try to espouse a religious motivation/justification. But, it is weak to try and term it politically coercive since, you know, abortion is the judicial fiat of the land since 1972…
Colloquially, terrorism has transcended the dictionary meaning of the use of force to achieve political coercion; it has come to mean para-military special operatives, not connected with any nation-state, that committ acts of violence to achieve a solution otherwise unobtainable by political means, or in order to short-cut an established process…
Carlos Bledsoe, the recruiting center killer, was by his own admission acting in the stead of people that the US military is fighting in the field. For using violence ti try and intimidate the US government regarding matters of geo-politics, Mr. Bledsoe is a terrorist…
Not to mention he referred to himself as such, and a jihadist as well…
So please, don’t play your sophistry games here; we don’t need anymore pin-headed agent provacateurs…
We have plenty of our own already…
So dont go away mad; just, well, you know…
Talking about blame games: Megan McArtle does a pretty good job on budge decifits. There is plenty of blame to share, but a nice slap down to the Obama koolaid drinkers.
I want Congress, whatever party affiliation, to start sharing.
Oh good! Charles-in-Charge can use this as a useful jumping off point back into the moonbat fold. His new, new personna is complete.
Tiller, Von Brunn, and Abdulhakin Muhammed aka Bledsoe are all terrorists because they used violence/murder to promote a political end. They are all nut jobs too.
Bill Ayers is a terrorist. Bernadine Dohrn is a terrorist. Timothy McVeigh is a terrorist. I don’t see what the problem is here.
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I find it almost comical that those so quick to label terrorists as such so quickly become quietly reticent when the perpetrator is a white guy.So much for calling a spade a spade(sic).”
See my #2 comment, moron.
Your “spade” is a left-fascist, birdboy.
Learn it, live it, love it.
Dude was a far left racist, probably had an unrequited crush on Margaret Sanger too.
Joe,
With all due respect I think that as a society we need to be careful of what acts we allow to be elevated to the status of “terrorism”. As far as I can tell, Tiller’s murderer and Von Brunn didn’t have a detailed plan to carry out more of their killings, nor were they necessarily doing it to call attention to a particular cause or achieve any tangible outcome that would profit either their own group or another they were affiliated with. Roeder seems to be a fanatic that claims a religious motivation/justification; and from the information available it appears that the elderly Von Brunn may have simply wanted to go out in a blaze of glory…
Bledsoe on the other hand had detailed plans to assault military and government facilities all along the east coast. And, he admits that his motivation was to avenge the deaths of muslims at the hands of our soldiers world-wide, that he is a self-proclaimed, foreign trained jihadist-like the ones we’re fighting in the field-combatting the US government…
I’m not going to re-write what I did in #24, but simply say that we must be careful. Not only to preserve the power and meaning of our language, but so as to not romanticize petty murderers. And maybe more importantly, so as not to give a government, that as of late seems over-reaching, justification to label it’s domestic political opponents terrorist in order to squelch dissent and punish their political adversaries…
No offense meant, but we need to tread carefully here and not let emotion get the better part of reason…
It is almost as if these people have some sort of email list where they recieve talking points. Within 2 hours of this incident he was already labled a “racist right wing tbagger”. Shit you had trolls on here saying it.
And if there’s any question that von Bronn is a left-fascist, just remember that he was bitterly clinging to his “Mein Kampf” and his guns.
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It is almost as if these people have some sort of email list where they recieve talking points.”
Paid astro-turfers.
It’s rather horrifying to watch the same people who screamed about the “neo-cons” taking us to war “for Israel” now desperately spinning to cast the same people as being responsible for egging on an anti-semite. The ease with which those contradictory ideas are being held as gospel is what makes it horrifying.
Tell me, which party held a mock hearing at its DC headquarters “investigating” the “role” of Israel in the liberation of Iraq? Which party allowed fliers claiming 9/11 was carried out by Israel to be distributed at its DC headquarters?
The fact is, this guy was a lunatic. Neither party is to blame for his acts.
Yeah Pink…
journo-list, if I recall…
It is amusing that in real time the trolls started arriving yesterday with their “tea-bagging winger” talking points…
And guys like Charles Johnson are falling for it…
I wonder where he got the whole white nationalists/dirty bomb thing…I never heard of that…
Without talking about too much, we kept close track of all fissile material in the Navy…
Bill Ayers was a person of pallor. So was his hoochie Bernadette.
M Dove is a liar.
Meanwhile the first act of Islamic terrorism on US soil since 911 that kills a soldier doesn’t even get mentioned on left wing blogs or on TV other than the scroll at the bottom. Fuck these people.
Ditto.
Rightist – Leftist Hater Kills at the Holocaust Memorial…
So. Let me get his straight.
A crazy old white man, a known, lifetime white supremacist (NOT that ex-Klansman Kleagle Robert Byrd (D) Senator from West Virginia) goes into a Holocaust Memorial Museum and kills Security Guard Stephen T. Johns. Who, by …
Apparently the onlý thing that can distract the media from covering the murder of an abortionist is the murder by an anti-semetic white supremacist.
And guys like Charles Johnson are falling for it…
He’s an idiot. Left wingers have been lying to themselves for so long that their beliefs basically boil down to the childish notion that anything good is to the left and anything bad is to the right.
Amen, Abe. They are reflexively that way.
Why that’s the dialectic morality of modern secular progressives Abe…
Everything good is associated with the left; therefore the right are less than human, deserve no respect nor consideration, and are the modern untermensch to be eliminated by whatever means necessary!
Remember the hyper-parsing and the OUTRAGE from the Left when people had the audacity to note that Barcky had direct ties to Ayers?
Is that all you got,”Bird Boy”?Should I reply with “your momma”?Like the true right wing no fact having hypocritical cowards that you are ,you still refuse to call the white male American terrorist what he is.I did not say anything about left or right,I said terrorist.Say it you cowards,say it!!!
Wow, you’re really upset, aren’t you? Fine: he’s a terrorist.
Now that makes twice there have been terrorist incidents on American soil since Obama came into office. One of them by Whitey.
suddenly I’m feeling less safe.
MDove’s last comment was a giant scoop of crazy.
I don’t understand the anger, though, because I’ve been saying for a long time that Bill Ayers was a terrorist. It’s not as though I routinely excuse Whitey.
Bill Ayers
Bernadine Doern
Timothy McVeigh
All terrorists
M Dove – all fucking idiot
BTW, M Dove, you did not have to say Left or Right for your particular mindset to be clearly visible.
Dan, help a guy out if you will, what’s a nirther?
M Dove obviously didn’t read my #24, to him, or my #32, to Joe…
M Dove, terrorists come in all flavors!…
Feel better now..?
mmmmmm, chocolate terrorist.
OK someone denounce me.
sdferr, it’s a more deprecating way of referring to an Obama “Birther,” who thinks that he hasn’t proved he was born in Hawaii. So, you see, the shooter was mainly informed by a desire to kill blacks and Jews because Obama’s not the legitimate president.
Which is why it was so important to do this at the Holocaust Museum.
A Baracky birth certificate truther. It comes from a misspelling in a headline on Pam Geller’s blog, she being so afflicted.
Thanks guys. People do get obsessed with the strangest stuff. Me, for instance, it was Scotch and soda there for the longest time.
Folks need to watch out. The Leftoids are righter (errr, more nearly correct) than even they think they are.
Think late Fifties — early Sixties. This nago wasn’t really it, but I do expect people auditioning for the parts of Stokely Carmichael, Bernadette Dorn, et. al. in the remake.
Regards,
Ric
sdferr, that’s not an obsession, it’s a commitment.
Oh, I don’t know about others SW but if you had observed me back then, I think you’ld have called me obsessed.
Melt down in aisle #48. I can guarantee he has a spittle flecked monitor right now. BTW, I wonder what he thinks constitutes the difference between an actual terrorist and an actual murderer?
I think I might have asked you to pour me one too.
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Is that all you got,â€Bird Boyâ€?Should I reply with “your mommaâ€?Like the true right wing no fact having hypocritical cowards that you are ,you still refuse to call the white male American terrorist what he is.I did not say anything about left or right,I said terrorist.Say it you cowards,say it!!!”
Could someone translate this Moonbatese into Sane?
White at the Museum II
Is it OK for me to make a disparaging remark about CJ?
Or will I get piled on and accused of being a obsessive troll and other shit?
This whole question of the meaning of terrorist seems to me to be roiling right out of control these days. The use of the term has seemed to been somewhat promiscuously thrown about, labeling now this and now that one a terrorist, with no return to the origin of the term as a guide, or at least, no apparent return cited I should say, for whether people who use the term are in fact consulting within themselves about the question, I can’t say.
However that may be, perhaps it would be useful to hash the thing out in the context of these recent slayings and concomitant labelings to see where we stand on it for the future implications of the thing? I know I’m beginning to get confused about it anyhow.
The confusion crept in on me yesterday in the thread about a terror strike on the AirFrance flight: how does the term apply to an act of mass murder which has no known explanation, if there can be such a thing, the tree-falling in the forest sort of conundrum? Anyways, I thought I’d throw it out there for consideration.
What’s hilarious about these people trying to link this to mainstream right wing groups is that their presidential candidate attended and helped fund a church where they preached to the congregation that the United States government was run by racist rich white people who invented the AIDS virus to kill them.
ML, go ahead. Just confine it to the facts at hand, if you can, and realize that I use him as an exponent of what’s wrong with so-called conservatism, but outside of that I really don’t care about Pony Boy.
SWEET!
VDH absolutely bitchslaps O!Bama at NRO:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGE1NGY2Y2I1MTExOTlkN2JjMzc0NTQ5YzUzZjYxNmQ=
What the Ric said.
There might be some causal paradoxery involved — and this is crazy people we’re talking about, so grain of lithium — but, basically, delusion-of-world-historical-moment type schizoids are climate-hypersensitive, and the world they see now is one where taking it violently to the nearest manifestation of who makes the world makes more sense to more of them than it recently did.
They might be wrong. They’re usually not.
Dan, Agreed.
On that note, I fail to see how this loony Nazi somehow is a rightwinger and thus vindicates the DHS report. I don’t understand the need to tar all rightwingers with these loony killers.
Is it the fact that they have guns that makes them rightwing, although they don’t seem to cling to bibles?
This is being used, as the Letterman thing is also, as a way to draw a line between those who consider themselves to be of the “good” people and those of the lower, lesser, second class of citizen. The kind that just deserves what they will get.
Defining people down so that their destruction becomes something to be praised, blessed. It’s a Left thing.
ML – They need to do that because they have an infantile mindset that the Left is good, and the Right is bad, and everything can be sorted out in such a fashion.
psycho’s right except I think the for real bellwether would be a dead journalist.
maimed would work I think
Man, the mere press of codetalk onto the scenarios is starting to seriously creep me out. Not that the encoding isn’t necessary mind you, far from it but on point, the perceived need for the encoding itself is creep worthy.
I don’t disagree, but I want you guys to understand that there are certain shades here that I’m deliberately jettisoning, because they provide troll fodder to try to muddy the waters. I do believe, for example, that there’s a difference between vilifying Willow or Bristol, but that it is a matter of degree. Either way, Letterman’s “joke” is repugnant. I knew that from the start, and if you go to Memeorandum, you can see how many people are trying to divert the issue to whether or not wingers are lying about his intention.
For the purposes of argument, I’m not going there, because I don’t want to invite “sophistication.”
And, Dan – Bob hasn’t touched that thread. He does that when he can’t counter, or hasn’t yet read his talking points. Funny thing is that he was the one who brought it up.
These “shocked” trolls trying to link the holocaust shooter to anyone can kiss my ass. Where the hell were they the last 8 years? Did they ever once express outrage at the hatred and death wished upon anyone associated with Bush? Did they ever once complain about 911 truthers insiting violence? These people can take their “outrage” and shove it up their ass. This “outrage”, and the linking of the holocaust shooter to right wing groups or people, is just a tool to them. They do not care at all about the people that the holocaust shooter killed. Nah time to use his violent actions to advance an agenda. Freakin disgusting.
JD – good point. Now I think the opposite, the left is bad and the right is good. But then I have at least half a brain, so I don’t play guilt by association. Except when it is warranted, like in the Rev. Wrights case and teh One going to that church for 20 something years.
If the GOP has any balls left, it had better be sending out instructions to EVERY LAST REP WHO WILL COMMENT ON THIS PUBLICLY to REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE “RIGHT WING” LABELING.
Don’t even allow that he’s “fringe.” If the media is going to hit you with an attempt to tie this guy to conservatives, then it is essential that we point out — CONSTANTLY — that this guy’s views do not track with the views of conservatives.
As Dan correctly and nicely points out — and Rob Crawford hammers home — it is ridiculous to label conservatives as neocon Godbothering warmongers, and then to turn around and try to tie to conservatism an anti-war, anti-Israel, anti-Christian racist eugenicist.
Were Obama white, this guy would have been the poster child for an Obama voter’s ideal platform.
Jeff the guy may have even been targeting the Weekly Standard. He ranted against “neocons” so this attempt to link him to right wing groups is 180 degrees out of wack.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
Since Charles has deleted my account on his site (for reasons that still escape me, probably just for commenting here), I will have to say here that leftist Charles can have him. There were Democrats and leftists for Ron Paul, if only for the hope of derailing a stronger Republican candidate.
Left * He hates Bush.
Left * He hates the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Just plain crazy * Hates Jews and blacks.
Just plain crazy * Holocaust denier.
Left * Hates Christians, especially Catholics.
Just plain crazy * Doesn’t think Hitler went far enough.
Left * He is a 9-11 Troother.
Left * Anti-Illuminati.
Left * Eugenicist.
Neither-Kos is ex-military and so is our LTC * Perhaps most importantly, ex-military.
Right * Alternately, perhaps most importantly, is a Nirther.
He’s on the left with you Charles, get over it.
Disagree — this line of “thought” started with the Hillarites. I think it truly belongs in the “Just plain crazy” column, though.
What the fuck is a “Nirther”?
I musta missed that one.
Now you’ve done it, David. You’re double deleted.
You shit stir the fuckin’ stupid, and before you claim you don’t read the words of half the posters here, they ain’t the intellectually submerged and worldy, as they say at Oxford.
Give me a fuckin’ break, Dan and Jeff, both of you arrive at the ridiculous extreme because there’s an audience for that kind’a work. I’m a lesser fool, gentlemen, having fashioned a time or two myself.
Choke on your own shit and die, whor.
Really, thor? The only post I’ve made all week that I’ve tweeted was the A&C one.
Just how is it that I benefit from traffic? I think that your complaint is better directed at Letterman. And, yeah, I resent the implication.
Well, at least you get to be a master manipulator in the fanciful scenario Dan, where the rest of us get to remain what we’ve always been, sub-ordinary morons worthy of easy manipulation yet ever beneath any other regard as human beings.
Is there still “trying” that independent act? Persistence is a good trait to be sure. And can, for fucking once, thor prove his intellectual bona fides? Continually quoting celine isn’t cutting it.
*there=thor
Left * He hates Bush.
Left * He hates the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Just plain crazy * Hates Jews and blacks.
Just plain crazy * Holocaust denier.
Left * Hates Christians, especially Catholics.
Just plain crazy * Doesn’t think Hitler went far enough.
Left * He is a 9-11 Troother.
Left * Anti-Illuminati.
Left * Eugenicist.
Neither-Kos is ex-military and so is our LTC * Perhaps most importantly, ex-military.
Right * Alternately, perhaps most importantly, is a Nirther.
He’s on the left with you Charles, get over it.
He was also a registered Democrat: http://tinyurl.com/lgefvy
Kind of a dead give away.
A registered Democrat. Priceless. How many times will the MSM point that out? He fits in good with Dem Congressional candidate Fred Phelps.
The implication is you understand the compositional steps toward a desired ending. I like that.
[Not intended specifically to Dan, but in general] My visit to Dachau left a lasting impression on me, one of which was that the hated and murdered others were not only Jews but included contrarian types, artists, queers, gypsies and even Marxists. Matter of fact I don’t think the jackbooted would be to impressed with any one placing liberal Susan Sontag types in their association. Dig that.
to = too
Envy?
The main thing I remember about the place was how the bad karma was so thick even the birds avoided it.
Clearly a “false flag”.
/lefty
huh? What do you mean, Dan?
I mean that Charles’ pigeonholing impulse is incoherent, faced with the man, but he’ll find (like Jonathan Chait) a way to make him out to be just like you, Pamela, even if it takes months of distortion.
Wrong. You actually legitimize the batshit crazy shiz. Feed the monster.
Good luck with that.
(BTW, it didn’t take months, it’s in the gang-green comment section already. Meanwhile the 89 year old Nazi Von Brunn was a Christian hating socialist. But why split hairs?)
Pamela, how can I put this to you in a way you’ll understand? I was deriding the comparison. It is absurd on its face, which is why I used you as an example of exactly what von Brunn isn’t.
It is a rhetorical device called irony. But if you feel that I’ve somehow impugned you, or made it easier for some ass to do so, I am sorry.
You’re capable of great heights of stupid. This would be one of those monumental plateaus.
#106
The height must be positively dizzying from where you’re standing.
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