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Have at me. I’ll be back in my hole, eating chips and saving up my OUTRAGE for the next episode of “South Park.”
What kind of chips….and what level of OUTRAGE!!
Jeff, you should try Quakes. They’re better for you and just as addictive. no really.
okay, I’m just trying to justify my own addiction. I swear that quaker dude is trying to replace the colonel in the pentavarite.
Letterman is just a mordant pseudonym for a comedican. Palin, to step up to Whelan’s level of wrongdoing has to make the further accusation naming the actual joke writer behind the facade. [Shudder] And the world will rain outrage on her attack. Once fit to the harm, she’ll get it then.
Two jokes now, since he followed up with similar off color crack Tues. Enjoy the chips.
Greetings:
Actually, I thought the “slutty flight attendant” remark was a compliment. Gov. Palin reminds Mr. Letterman of when “Dave’s Mom” used to dress up for him when he was a child.
And, Dave doesn’t need anymore pressure at this moment. He’s trying to work on his “trophy wife” concept.
Can’t a man just eat his chips..?
This is great, John Ziegler DESTROYING some PMS-NBC info babe, live and in living color:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/10/video-ziegler-gets-his-mike-cut-off-by-ms-nbc/
BTW, Jeff, it looks like Ziegler reads this blog.
No punches pulled.
Am I the only gay guy here that would let Goldstein do whatever the hell he wanted to me?
Comment by Robert on 6/10 @ 11:28 am #
Does that extend to ear-ripping-off?
Comment by N. O’Brain on 6/10 @ 11:28 am #
Sure. Why not. As long as he does it naked.
Jeff, if you are not blaming the Joooooooooosss you are just not doing it right.
I thought Ed Whelan was a pussy for outing Publis. Outing someone should be done for a good reason (which you have obviously lived and discussed), not because they are merely an asshole and you disagree with them. But it is really not a big deal.
The Sarah Palin attacks are a big deal. This is about guaranteeing Palin is not a threat and to discourage other conservatives out there. So they go after her family. It started with Andrew Sullivan and now it is Letterman. If they want to go after her, fine, she can handle herself. Leave the kids out.
NTTAWWT.
Now, someone hand me the brain bleach.
KTHX.
Rush is lobbing God vs. Obama jokes into the ether:
What do God and Obama have in common?
Neither has a birth certificate.
What is the difference between God and Obama?
1. God never thinks he’s Obama.
2. Lefties love Obama.
3. Obama gets better media coverage.
If you let Letterman get away with this, it will only get worse. And no, the answer is not saying similar piggish things about Barack Obama’s daughters. Why lower yourself to Letterman’s gutter standard. Go after Letterman and point out the hypocrisy of the MSM.
The joke operated on several known facts: that Palin had a teenage daughter who’d gotten pregnant, and that A-Rod likes him some strange.
It was in poor taste (inasmuch as it used a child as a prop), but it was based less on the actual Palin and her family than it was on the media/ pop-cultural creation that is “Sarah Palin”. And I don’t believe he was aiming the joke particularly at Willow, except to suggest that teenage pregnancy will of course be a trend for the icebilly family.
It reminded me of the Michael Jackson / young child star du jour jokes that were common for many years from the barbs of comedians.
Were Obama smart, he’d step up and condemn the joke — as he did Imus’ remarks. You want to create a stir? Don’t go after Letterman. Ask why Obama is not as eager to protect rural white children as he is black female basketball players.
dicentra – here’s the critical difference: those are about Obama, and not his daughters. He’s fair game. The kids aren’t.
My favorite Obama joke?
How do we know Obama’s not Jesus?
Jesus knew how to assemble a cabinet!
You have to put up with a ton of shit to live the high and mighty life in NYC. Being one of the anointed ain’t easy. So it’s only fair that they should be able from time to time, to kick young teens, from those dreadful outer world places, to the curb. Makes it all worthwhile. Right?
/sarc> Justin Case.
Jeff – It’s possible, likely even, that he didn’t know which daughter was there and just assumed that it was Bristol.
But it’s still dirty. And to pile on the next night and drag Spitzer into it too?
That is a good suggestion Jeff about challenging Obama on why he is not stepping up.
Then again, Obama has to now explain why Joooos are allowing ethnic cleansing in Gaza and blocking the Reverend Wright’s access to his spiritual son.
Lileks is The God today:
Obama may have to appoint a Joke Czar. Considering the way he picks ’em it will be Nurse Ratchet.
“Don’t go after Letterman. Ask why Obama is not as eager to protect rural white children as he is black female basketball players.”
Good point Jeff G.
I just don’t understand why he and the Rev Al don’t find this behavior as offensive…
I mean, O! is bust dismantling the US as we know it…But Rev AL? He’s just doin’ the same ol’, same ol’; appearing in court over tax evasion charges…
You know, that makes him qualified for a cabinet post, at least, doesn’t it..?
Mebbe Obama needs another czar or something…
Jeff, I agree the joke was not aimed at Bristol or Willow, just like Andrew Sullivan’s attacks were not directed toward Trig Palin, they were merely props, and the goal is to discredit and make Sarah Palin a laughing stock.
The point is you do not use kids at props and Obama should be challenged on that issue.
And Jeff G,
I find your point about Letterman’s poor taste humor being based on the MSM’s cartoon construct of Palin and her family, as opposed to the actual people to be intriguing…
I guess that’s how he gets around the moral dilemma of such boorish behavior; nobody would ever be Outraged! by attempts at humor that were at the expense of someone that really didn’t exist, eh..?
There’s some deep psychological angle there, about folks like Letterman wishing that Palin really didn’t exist; as well as the attempt to caricature her as a Rube!, Clinging!, Chillbilly! in the eyes of the general public…
Thought provoking as always!
Watching Letterman trying to be funny is like watching the Special Olympics or something.
De Reverend Wright connected up de info
De Reverend Wright connected up de info
De Reverend Wright connected up de info
Now hear the word of the Lord.
Dem Jews, dem Jews, dem Jew boys
Dem Jews, dem Jews, dem Jew boys
Dem Jews, dem Jews, dem Jew boys
Gonna hear the word of the Lord.
Your Rahmbo connected to de Pres-O
Prevented him from talking to de Rev-O
Tryin’ to sweep de whole thing under de rug-O
Can’t get in touch with de Lord
It’s racist to be usin’ dialect-O
Cuz people know de blackness trump de Jew-O
De holocaust a excuse be untrue-O
So say de folks in de ward
Dan,
Really, you owe me for the monitor over that one…
You have got to cut an audio for that…
#18 – Good point about casuing a stir. But who would ask? Newsweek? Time? AP? Gah.
I’m sure you’ve all thought this before, but if Sarah Palin was a liberal from Alaska, she would be a media sensation, and courted in the elitist soirees of both DC and NYC.
God demands to be worshiped only once a week.
Dan:
That should be recorded, uploaded, and made viral. Does anyone know someone who knows someone who knows a guy with a band?
At least you could upload it to amaze.fm.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the Top 10 list fell into the same trap – something about Palin being able to visit the parts of New York she could “see from her house.”
Palin never actually said she could see Russia from her house, right? That was the Palin caricature created by Tina Fey, if I’m not mistaken.
Note to self: google first, then post. Apparently she DID say that in an interview with Charlie Gibson, but it was pretty clear I think that she was exaggerating. Not that it matters to people with axes to grind. Carry on.
Yeah, but don’t tell Barbara Walters. She’ll be crushed.
Now she can see Nork missile tests from her house.
Jeff makes list of The 10 Hottest New Media Guys on the Right. So does Ace. Neither is shown in a Speedo.
Jeff could have been all ten if he’d just post a sexy rimless glasses pic.
*ahem*
jeff needs a better pic for that hottest righties thing. and (thanks to dicentra for the inspiration) i vote for it to be in a speedo. =D
Um, I think the correct quote was something about seeing Russia from parts of Alaska and being neighbors or in the same neighborhood. don’t like to google at work, though.
If your going to rape some one’s 14 yr old daughter, the first step is to joke about it. Or at least claim you are making a joke about it.
And wasn’t Jeff or some one bizarrely attacked by some female Professor Deb(?) some one? a few years ago? What about some of the comments she made about (if I right about this) about Jeff’s kids?
What Leterman said was nasty. He has the right to say it, and we have the right to say that he is an asshole for saying it.
On the other hand, Todd Palin beating the crap out of him would be icing on the cake. On the other hand, second prize is the lot lizard, skank that he goes with. Dave, fuck you and the base ball player who is boning your current love interest in the ass. Karma is already working here.
Please, ladies, it’s dinner time over here. Show some decorum.
I just had lunch, SW. so I’m full of tater tots. and lust. ;D
Knock, knock.
Maggie, you’re right – I got the sound working finally and yes, she said that there are places in Alaska where you can see Russia, which is true, and a valid illustration of the point she was making.
The whole “Russia from my HOUSE” was a Fey embellishment that apparently caught on with people too ideologically invested or just plain lazy to check up on.
Saying it was just a joke shows that it should never have been said.
I mean, if you are a professional comedian, and you have to tell people you are joking – boy, you must really suck! Suck worse than Stacy McCain!
And that is the greatest amount of suckitude that instruments can measure!
Outing someone should be done for a good reason (which you have obviously lived and discussed), not because they are merely an asshole and you disagree with them.
So even though someone is an asshole I’m responsible for helping them maintain their secrets? I think not. Keeping someone’s identity secret is a courtesy. Uncourteous people are not deserving of such kindness.
You got a secret? Best behave accordingly.
maggie, check here for full transcript of that interview.
Palin didn’t directly answer him so he pressed on:
Finally she responds on Russia:
Oh, and this is a true story – my wife’s cousin is a nationally-syndicated cartoonist (who shall remain nameless for this purpose) who doesn’t do editorial cartoons – he just draws caricatures of famous people, usually politicians. He was actually dropped by a number of papers in the early 90s for drawing a caricature of Chelsea Clinton that certain editors felt was “offensive,” which in this case was simply exaggerating her teeth/braces.
My wife makes a mean mince and taties.
Jeff, you miss the point here. Just ask Rev. Wright who to blame for the Letterman/Palin scandal.
THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZ!
Of course, it’s not like you’re going to admit this, right?
Dan Collins doesn’t deny it.
Having sired a child of his own out of wedlock, David Letterman is our First Black Talk Show Host* and cannot be criticized therefore by white folks…
(*see Kweizi Mfune, Jesse Jackson, et al)
Take all our Uighur GITMO trash
Or you don’t get no spending cash
If you don’t bow to Pharaoh O
We just might nuke you till you glow
Yakity yak
Palau smack
From C4P:
“Any ‘jokes’ about raping my 14-year-old are despicable. Alaskans know it and I believe the rest of the world knows it, too.”
– Todd Palin
“Concerning Letterman’s comments about my young daughter (and I doubt he’d ever dare make such comments about anyone else’s daughter): ‘Laughter incited by sexually-perverted comments made by a 62-year-old male celebrity aimed at a 14-year-old girl is not only disgusting, but it reminds us some Hollywood/NY entertainers have a long way to go in understanding what the rest of America understands – that acceptance of inappropriate sexual comments about an underage girl, who could be anyone’s daughter, contribute to the atrociously high rate of sexual exploitation of minors by older men who use and abuse others.'”
– Governor Sarah Palin
Jeff,
What do you think of the Palins response? If I were David Letterman I wouldn’t be quite as cocky while Todd Palin is in town.
I used to watch Letterman, years ago when he was funny.
Standing in a window, yelling down to some NBC News-twat (don’t recall the name, the black guy) doing a puff-piece in the courtyard that “I’m Dave Letterman and I’M NOT WEARING ANY PANTS!”
Now that’s some comedy, right there. News-twat highly offended – a definite plus.
But he’s been extremely lame for years. Probably he’d slit his mother’s throat for higher ratings about now. If she’s still alive, I mean.
Or maybe even if not.
Dan,
Maybe you can get Eminem to lay down the, ahem, wee-gar version of that track…
When he’s done making an arse out of himself with Sacha Cohen…
Ooooh, flight attendants. Gosh I miss ATA.
But now back to our regularly scheduled broadcast.
Variations on a theme:
4. Obama has been on the cover of Newsweek 17 times.
5. Obama’s children will never be portrayed in “art” featuring human or animal waste products.
6. Obama has written two autobiographies.
Those quotes from the Gibson interview are hilarious when you combine them with the fact Obama has NEVER been asked questions like that during the entire campaign and not even though he has been President over 4 months now.
“Ask why Obama is not as eager to protect rural white children as he is black female basketball players”.
And why is he outraged that an abortionist is killed but only saddened by a Soldier being killed
So many questions, such little media integrity.
I recommend chips and vinegar. They make them here in America, you don’t have to fly all the way to England to get them.
Unless you want to eat chips and vinegar AND increase your carbon footprint.
In that case: ‘Fly! you fools!’
Danger, have you heard any scuttlebutt about this subject?
Hot Damn! Is that Jeff? YAY! Good to see you back! :)
sdferr,
I hadn’t heard this but it may be that the administration is planning to bring the inmates to the U.S. for trial especially considering one has already arrived. This is one way of getting around Congress road block irt Gitmo.
You’re right on this. I was wrong. Not only should Whelan have refused to apologize, he should have been proud of himself.
Not a joke, as the term of art has it. But anyway —
Never the kind of “strange” that “teenage daughter” brings to mind.
(Do She-Hulk and Ted Nugent have a teenage daughter? He might tap that, if it looks as old as Ted always has.)
His was just a name plopped in because someone’s had to be; it filled a gap in a line that existed without him. It’s not an A-Rod line. It’s an all-the-words-in-it-besides-his-name line.
There are Yankees whose names would fit there. And they’re not there. Because that wasn’t the point, at all.
oh. These are the jokes what are told to the glory and honour of Barack Obama, who loves him some raped little white girl jokes. That’s what raped little white girls are.
There is a whole bunch of stuff coming down the pipeline that Obama is trying to ram through. Palin is one of the people speaking up, and they wish to marginalize her because they get the danger that emanates from her.
Palin’s response today was superb, focused, and politically astute. And I should also say, it looks as if her communications person, Meg Stapleton, reads this blog.
I don’t know what the big deal is. Did Letterman call it a hatefuck??? It’s perfectly acceptable at MSNBC to hatefuck the children of Conservatives.
Here’s a neat joke!!!
Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly??
Because Janet Reno is her father.
OT: hf, a photo thing with a prominent state of Texas/Flag, among others.
h/t Marginal Revolution
Mojo, Lettermans mom is still turning tricks at the Nursing home in Indy. Dave sends mom a case of ALPO every month and in return mom sends Dave videos of her getting gangbanged by the 90 year old Johnson brothers center court at Conseco Fieldhouse.
Don’t be offended Contessa Brewer said this type of joke was ok.
Fark it, Jeff, I get the “joke” and all the constructs behind it. Which include the ones you mentioned, and some more. It had an ugly spirit behind it, no just attack of the silly Palin chillbilly family caricature the left enjoys so well. The high hilarity found in tweaking her daughter, is related to vitriol dispensed all over her evangelical creds, materially exposed for fraud in a most amusing way, according to the snippy gay writers at CBS.
And poor taste is an understatement. Any Palin daughter would have done, but all the reports they would have relied on to know the daughter was in town specified Willow was on the trip. They just didn’t farking give a rip that she’s only 14. David has blood vessels made of grease lined basalt by now. Perhaps he didn’t know he was going after a 14 yo. I fail to see how that makes rape jokes amusing or even if amusing to some, an acceptable way to riff on hostility to Palin and her message and her image.
I agree. The joke was sloppy for precisely this point. But again, it needn’t be that specific to work. Alex Rodriguez and Sarah Palin are both high profile and easy targets. Connecting them for the sake of the joke was most bang for the buck.
Ironically, the people who laugh the hardest think they are the most “insidery,” when in fact they are part of the great big mass of media-eating proles Letterman was aiming to please.
You’re welcome to your high dudgeon, Sarah. I don’t share it — nor do I share in the idea it was intended as a “rape” joke.
that’s brilliant!! really really brilliant – I’m sending those ones around esp I have a friend at Nick who’ll love that I think
I vote dudgeon really. Relatively high, really. You don’t get paid Letterman monies to be haphazard and trashy and hurtful. CBS is gay to where someone should walk up to Jennifer Love Hewitt and make rape jokes to her and then follow her to her car and make some more rape jokes. She’d be all like I already heard that one at work.
I thought the Spitzer/prostitute double down “joke” was way over the line. Letterman knew there was a stir about his having 14 yo Willow being porked by A-Rod and so then he went and called her a prostitute. A child prostitute.
I’m all for Ashley Biden Blow Whore jokes now.
“She’d be all like I already heard that one at work.”
Hehe
Actually, that’s precisely what he’s paid for.
Hmmm…tasteless mysogynistic jokes at the expense of conservative and her daughter…is it possible Thor works for Letterman?
Actually Thor, that guy was a journalism graduate. Check Dan Rhiel’s site. Those journalists have always been sort of hinky.
I dunno thor,
From the sounds of it, he could have been a member of Wright’s church congregation..?
You know, one who used the “n” word for rhetorical flourish…
Kinda like Eminem does!
Your mom’s a slut because she looks hotter than my hideous wife in a skirt. So I’m going to violate you a bit with A-Rod’s cock. C’mon, it’s just ajoke.
Well, David Letterman is getting attention and probably lots of leftist glassy-eyed Obama lovers watching him now. So it worked, I guess.
I wonder if Letterman will have some more Palin material ready for the next time the O!ne stops by..?
Shouldn’t be too long ’til then, since the public’s growing resentment at his policies will be requiring a PR tour soon…
Or, he could just throw Pelosi under the bus instead!
“This is not the speaker I thought I knew…”
#54 RSM:
Just doing my little part to keep blog-world functioning.
Aw come Jeff, Letterman should know better than to sound off any sexual innuendo joke about anyones underage child. And rather than saying nothing or just being a man and saying he told a poor joke and apologize for bad judgment and carry on he called her a whore.
Yeah, well, you know, if she’s fourteen she really had it coming to her.
You’re welcome to your high dudgeon, Sarah. I don’t share it — nor do I share in the idea it was intended as a “rape” joke.
In ordinary times, the high dudgeon might be over the top, but these days it’s time to call the MSM for EVERY LAST THING they do — loudly, incessantly, and as high-dudgeonly as possible.
Until they grow the hell up and stop indulging their obscene sycophancy.
I’ll be over here holding my breath.
Contessa is an awesomely great rape joke name.
“The legal age in Russia is 14.”
Now Dave couldn’t have thought he was in Russia…
But by some of the O!ne’s policies, he might have mistaken NYC for the former Soviet Union…
Of course, there is you had insulted a provincial Governor’s daughter, unless wildly popular you would have probably simply disappeared…
Maybe Contessa doesn’t realize that Zeigler was only joking with her…
No, for reals, he was…
Especially the part about Olbermann…
am I scanning the comments right? Did the leftards dust off an obscure Chelsea joke? The same people who were making myriad jokes about Giuliani’s son, Santorum’s children and said John Robert’s like 4 year old son was gay?
Whether intended as a rape joke or not, it failed to launch.
It wasn’t funny. It wasn’t even just meh. It was ‘ick’. And then you add in the ‘that’s the fourteen year old daughter’ part and goes into ‘really ick’.
It wasn’t funny for a general humor/talk show. Perhaps a locker room somewhere it could gather a chuckle and a groan, but it wasn’t funny for its venue, it doesn’t really fit into that venue; and a professional, such as Letterman, should be sensitive to that. That he wasn’t sensitive to that, that he cannot hire staff who are sensitive to that, means that this has ‘you suck at what you do’ all over it. It has the stank of decay, from something that died long ago and was never properly dealt with, all over it.
I never said she had it coming to her. That said, Letterman is going public with the kind of things these people whisper about among themselves.
I like that he’s feeling cocky and comfortable enough to take off the kid gloves.
Two things happen: either he’s playing to the choir, so nothing changes. Or America truly is a center-right country, and people will have to eventually deal with the constant scapegoating of Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin as stand-ins for everyone center-right.
I like that this kind of thing is out in the open — in the same way I’ve long advocated that our media act the same way: by making their biases obvious.
TSK9,it was a douchebag thing that a douchebag candidate said. Which really excuses Letterman. I’m going to take A-Rod and rhetorically ram it up a kid’s vagina on national TV, because I dislike her parents’ politics.
We’ve left behind appropriate responses to shticks like Letterman’s, namely, immediately pelting the fucker with rotten fruit and vegetables from the audience. Allah knows no-one would be allowed in the hall carrying the tools of terrorism, tomatoes and cucumbers might be co-mingled for all we know.
I’m not accusing YOU of that, Jeff, and I’m going to do whatever I can to make sure it’s the latter.
Really sad for David that I’m out to humiliate him, like this.
Shorter leftist: He is a “good man” just trying to make us laugh, sorry you guys do not get the humor.
And it wasn’t a rape joke.
In fact, the follow-up is to be expected: Letterman is now making meta-jokes about rightwing prudishness. Fair or not, that’s what he’s playing upon now, and it is you all — not Willow Palin, or even Sarah Palin, anymore — that he is going after.
May Dave soon experience the, in his case well deserved, “Infinate Vastness of Suckitude” that RS McCain wrote about…And may RSM as well as all others who have undeservingly experienced that regain their much deserved standing and wider purview…
Letterman went to Afghanistan to witness for himself what was going on. He was captured and repeatedly assraped by the Taliban, but it’s all right, because they respect him, though he was critical of CBS not paying his ransom.
nah. too easy. Some rape jokes just write themselves I think.
Letterman wanted to knock the kid up his own self, but, well, at 62 and liberal, nothing short of Janeane Garofalo in a Bush mask and gimp suit can get that wrinkled old package to unwrap itself.
Letterman’s son Harry would have jumped in to help dad out, but alas, Willow looks nothing like Justin Timberlake, or even that one boy from High School Musical 5: What the Fuck Am I Still Doing in High School?…
Of course…
Because his meta-jokes dovetail nicely with the approved meta-narrative…
But too bad he doesn’t get Katie C. involved in it like NBC did with Conan; Girlfriend could use the plug! I don’t know if Dave has the juice to get the O!ne to do advertising appearances with him though…
Jeff,
I believe that the America is a Center-right country unfortunately the media is far left of center so how do we get through that?
I clicked on Mr. feets link. You all do know that Ball State is the college Indiana kids go to when they can’t get into a real college, don’t you?
“Fair or not, that’s what he’s playing upon now, and it is you all — not Willow Palin, or even Sarah Palin, anymore — that he is going after.”
I’m not nearly as smart (or tough) as Jeff. And I’m pretty sure I suck more than RSM. If he’s “going after me” I’d gladly meet this buck-toothed f*ck head any where any time and re-aquaint him with his now forgotten mid-west values.
We get through that by either refusing to accept their framing, or else refusing to dignify them with appearances or statements.
As I’ve argued before, eventually Americans will wonder where the opposition went.
Thanks for deleting shitheels comments.
Nan, you are correct in fact Letterman dropped out of IU.
I like that this kind of thing is out in the open
Me too, because the country’s reaction to this stuff will help me determine whether the apple’s got a worm in it or it’s rotten to the core.
Stephen Tyrone Johns refused to allow the tea-partyer into the museum.
Liberal former Sec. of Defense, William Cohen, was visiting the museum at the time.
And it wasn’t a rape joke.
But then how is it opposed to be funny? I don’t get that.
You want to hear a really funny joke??
David Letterman is walking to his Office in Manhattan after getting a kosher sandwich at the Carnegie deli, some guy walks up to him and says, after I put this bullet in your head, I’m going to ass rape your son Harry on top of your corpse.
“INSERT CANNED LAUGHTER HERE”
That just cracks me up, yuk yuk guffaw chortle sniff.
Tea Partier, thor? You mean a guy who hated Bush, the war, a holocaust denier, a 9-11 Troofer?
He’s pretty much a Muslim extemist who got sidetracked somewhere along the way. Or, you know, a radical anti-semite like Wright.
What’s extra sad, gus, is that the masters of nuance will take your remark as proof that wingnuts are murderous perverts, completely missing the fact that it’s made in satirical response to one of their own.
This goes beyond trivializing Palin; it is dehumanizing. The message is that she and her family (and, as Jeff points out, us) are not deserving of basic human decency.
“We get through that by either refusing to accept their framing, or else refusing to dignify them with appearances or statements.”
So would the Palins have been better off by ignoring Letterman?
If you’ve got 13 free minutes, don’t miss Whittle’s geeky explanation of why intellectuals should never be in charge. The special effects are fabu!
We’ve left behind appropriate responses to shticks like Letterman’s, namely, immediately pelting the fucker with rotten fruit and vegetables from the audience.
No no no. The phrase is, “They pelted us with rocks and garbage.”
From that long-lost golden age when Dave was funny and Michael Jackson was black.
Jeff’s right, it wasn’t a “rape joke” any way you slice it. It was, however, in very poor taste. Both to insinuate that Palin’s children are “loose” and that Alex Rodriguez would get his freak on with a child (14 or 18, doesn’t matter).
When Letterman “doubled down”, he was waiting to see what the reaction would be. He’s the kind of sick !@*% that’s emboldened by it. Which means we ought to see some kind of sexually-based “joke” involving Trig and a herd of sea lions.
Unfortunately, the meta-narrative pushed by the MSM and the left is that unless you hold the proper beliefs, you are not deserving of basic human decency…
You know, the intolerance of the master of PC, multi-culturalism, and…Tolerance!…
When did rape jokes become funny? Can we make rape jokes about Muhammad raping muslim boys. Can we make jokes about Opie having gay sex with Rev. Wright?
Just tell me the limitations libtards and I’ll play by your rules.
Though I’m trying to understand why Jeff’s marginally OK with powerful public morons like Letterman going after a person’s kids.
Perhaps the Palins should get a restraining order?
I disagree, brian. I think it was a rape joke. The whole point is that it wasn’t really consensual, but you could pretend that it was if that floated your boat.
Yeah, I can tell you think it’s a nothing throw away bit of cheap humor playing on popular palin tropes. It’s more than that, and worse, it actually IS about a teen daughter who has a right to be left unmolested by cheap jokes about her virtue.
knock knock
who’s there
SarahW
SarahW who?
THAT”S NOT FUNNY.
That’s me visiting Jeff. He didn’t let me in for some reason.
Let’s see how it stands the Shoe-on-the-Other-Foot Test:
Thanks for the phrasing tip dicentra (it is better, not only insofar as it belonged to Letterman himself but hey! rocks are included.) I wouldn’t have known since I’ve spent most of my life ignoring the guy.
Bullshit. Total bullshit. It was a rape joke. A 14 year old having sex with Alex ROIDriguez on the pitchers mound is rape. Let’s not sugar coat a shit sandwich. I don’t care how it’s spun. Imagine a Conservative said this. Would there be ANY wiggle room? I’m not here bitching about the double standard. Here is my take. Liberals are vile humans for the most part. Joking about my child being raped would get your fucking teeth knocked in. We need to fight these motherfuckers, they MSM has a lot of influence over the public. And they are using it to destroy the values that used to dominate this country.
Sarah Palin did NOTHING to deserve her children being attacked. Jokes about Bill Clinton banging Chelsea would be universally vilified and would be national news.
Oh, but to be fair, gus, David and his audience were only witnessing the event with relish.
I blame A-Rod.
Letterman is an irrelevant asshole. That’s my first opinion and I’m sticking with it. If he’d said it about my daughter … well, let’s just say he wouldn’t want to meet me in a dark alley.
All this BS isn’t going to make me watch his show any less, since less than zero is a negative number. How do I watch his show in negative amounts?
But then how is it opposed to be funny?[if it’s not a rape joke]. I don’t get that.
I don’t think it was a rape joke, either. I think, for progressives, it gets its “funny” from the same place vile racist jokes get theirs. It gets its “funny” from hate and fear. The situation in the joke isn’t funny. The “funny” comes from a humiliation of the people in it. That’s why people here, as opposed to progressives, don’t laugh at it.
I can’t think of any examples right now, but surely y’all have read of incidents where KKK members laughed at the misery of blacks; where Nazis laughed at cringing Jews. The source of the “funny” in the Palin joke comes from the same place. Fear and hate.
The pic of me up at RWN is from 2-3 months ago. I don’t understand why some people seem to think it “obsolete.”
[update: oh. they think it’s a bad pic of me. Well, that’s what I look like. What can I say? Time isn’t as kind to everyone as it is to Keith Carradine…]
They think so because the longer you’re gone, the handsomer you get, Jeff. Just like the rest of us.
After Sammy Barnhardt (I refuse to accept that’s a woman) called for Palin to be gang-raped and the playboy.com “hate fuck” list, I refuse to extend the benefit of the doubt.
Dave is not only not funny, he’s so lazy he can’t do any better than sniping at caricatures of those he thinks the right sort of people are supposed to despise. Megan Fox won’t fuck you Dave, no matter how much you try to say all the right words in the hopes that might happen.
Jeff is back.
Dan has been doing an outstanding job in your absence.
it’s not obsolete. but some better focus would be nice, like less artsy-fartsy maybe. also, a smile would have been cool. you could still look all tuff and ready to rumble, with a smile. even a little smirky half-smiley one. ymmv. also a speedo. cuz you’re definitely buff enough to pull that off.
At first I thought the list of hottest guys on the right was in order and that freaking Andy Levy was #1. That would have been a gross injustice to everyone else on the list. ugh
Jawas have the info on the Holocaust Museum guard murderer.
And if you don’t think it’s intentional…
Well, I think the joke can be deconstructed to mean that it implied (at least statutory) rape. But, I suppose jokes shouldn’t be deconstructed. ‘Cause that’s what they do.
At the very least, though, I don’t want to hear any more about Rush’s dog joke from 16 years ago.
that pic is from my facebook page. It’s what I look like when my son spills juice on a wool rug just off camera.
“someone didn’t internalize the message”
Also please remember Letterman’s motto: “If it’s worth doing, it’s worth overdoing.”
Don’t know how you fight against THAT.
Sorry, but that’s turning out to be the #2 response to this.
This is interesting, because agreeable people can disagree that it was a joke about rape. I didn’t particularly see it as a rape joke, but rather a sophomoric attempt at humor by an obviously perverted old man desperate for relevancy. I would like to second the inquiry to Jeff in regards to what he thought the best reaction/reply would have been for the Palins, though. Or, did the Palins, who were the butt of the humorless joke, have a just cause (to Jeff’s line of thinking) to reply in the manner that they replied?
Were it me, I would have followed the Hillary Clinton line and contacted the network privately and read them the riot act.
I would be quick to point out that Limbaugh apologized for the Clinton line, and that he did so largely because of conservative blowback.
See, now I think there should be a statute of limitations on this stuff. That was 16 years ago. And, I believe it has been used in defense of the previous attacks on Palin’s kids, right?
I’m sorry. I believe they’ve already used that card. It’s out of credit.
I suppose jokes shouldn’t be deconstructed. ‘Cause that’s what they do.
Sorry, but I spent almost 20 effin’ years among academics and progressives, listening to their “jokes.” Or as Rush would say, “I know them like I know every inch of my beautiful naked body.”
With real rocks and garbage, it seems to me. They don’t have to be big rocks, David Goliath killing sort of rocks from slings, but stinging painful rocks from arms will do. And garbage, plenty of stinking garbage.
The error in that approach, Jeff, is that Hillary was the first lady at the time, married to a very popular president who was friends who lotsa folks in the entertainment industry.
The Palins? Not so much. Who could they call who would care?
No, my dark alley approach is much better.
I have seen Dave a few times here in Indy. Next time, I may just have to greet him with a great big how do your nads feel when they get kicked into your stomach hello.
#149 dicentra:
You point out the obvious: it wasn’t funny, it was pretty crass for a talk show, it’s proof that Letterman has lost whatever he had that got him to where he is, and that attacking a fourteen year old girl isn’t particularly manly – that it actually is in a different hemisphere from manliness, and that the pathetic-ness rises not only from the above list, but that a man making $30 million and on network tv actually thinks that he is ‘taking on the man’.
You know – speak truth to power.
knowing that actually makes that pic about a million times cuter than it was not knowing that. and were it almost any other day in almost any other thread i would probably make some cute comment involving spankings. >_> but sometimes discretion really is the better part of yadda yadda. and i denounce myself for even considering such a comment, even in jest, in this case.
#152 and 153:
Ah – the Limbaugh line. Yes, I have read the defense also. That is also a pathetic defense – probably the most pathetic one that could be brought up by any apologist because the proper response is “What are you – seven? ‘But he did it too!’ is something only little children say.”
Seriously – that’s a defense I’ve heard offered, and that is just pathetic.
The picture is slightly blurry. A better shot is in order. But if you want to forestall the ravishes of time, David Carradine used to apply ropes and cords in a certain theraputic manner, but you have to be careful when doing so.
discretion really is the better part of yadda yadda
You know, I was watching Henry IV a few weeks ago and I heard that line in context. It was spoken by a coward who was trying to avoid trouble in a war or summat. (Wasn’t a line you’d want to utter in your defense, but like most one-liners, it’s taken on a life of its own.)
Is that right, Dan, or am I misremembering?
I would count on this reaction.
Then I’d make it clear that CBS took no heed. Then I’d ask Hillary Clinton to support my outrage.
Checkmate.
I was driving this morning and listened to Limbaugh, he was commenting how he was declared to set a boycott against GM. Rush said he never ever called for a boycott of anything, but happened to mention some GM customers were pissed off and said they would not by another GM (because of the bailout).
I just liked the way Sarah called Letterman a dirty old man.
Oh, BTW, I’ll be in the Nashville/Ft. Knox area starting tomorrow until the 18th. Anyone want a meet-up? (I’ll be with family and possibly without a vehicle, so I don’t know if the logistics will work out, but might as well ask.) dicentra -at- xmission dot com.
I didn’t have anything to do with the RWN post or the pic selection. Blurry is best. Like Liz Taylor, I prefer being photographed through gauze.
Makes it tougher for people to Photoshop.
No, that’s right, dicentra. BTW, do you know any of the folks at sixmeatbuffet?
Makes it tougher for people to Photoshop.
Win!
I prefer being photographed through gauze
I always suspected you were really Cybil Shepherd circa 1985. Now I have all the proof I need.
BTW, do you know any of the folks at sixmeatbuffet?
Cranky, Brian, Nigel, Preston, Michele…
Nope, not a one. Not one of my regular stops.
“Letterman wanted to knock the kid up his own self, but, well, at 62 and liberal, nothing short of Janeane Garofalo in a Bush mask and gimp suit can get that wrinkled old package to unwrap itself.
Letterman’s son Harry would have jumped in to help dad out, but alas, Willow looks nothing like Justin Timberlake, or even that one boy from High School Musical 5: What the Fuck Am I Still Doing in High School?…”
See, now you guys are learning about “jokes.”
Oh, I could easily pass as one of you, meya.
Don’t forget, The Pink Panther 2 is out on DVD now!
Oh, the lid’s off meya. Thanks to David Letterman. Now if you guys would just help me polish my “Michelle Obama love seat with nostril-cup holders” joke we can get it on!
There’s a TJ Maxx in Paris?
sentences what use the word alas are never funny I can’t explain why not
The Left always gets away with just saying it was a joke.
Oh, STFU meya.
I’ll try: It’s hard to buy pants for Michelle on her birthday because she’s alas.
Jeff G – Trying to pass as meya would be difficult. You would first have to have no sense of shame, no integrity, and you would have to remove your brain.
Oh, I could easily pass as one of you, meya.
I have no tatts, piercings, or Birkenstocks, so I’d stand out despite my Tibetan dresses and Indian skirts. And ankle bracelet.
Thanks, happyfeet.
I’ll have to rethink that one about Harry then. Maybe I can run it by Treacher when I’m done. You know, to make sure it’s actually funny before I debut it.
Alas.
This guy still has a show and they canceled Thicke of the Night?
You Americans are nuts.
And ankle bracelet.
They got you on house arrest too?
Restraining orders are bullcrap.
Tell me about it, Alan.
alas i depended on joe biden’s wisdom
I’m still funnier
he’s right
What am I? Chopped broccoli?
Three words, Carvey: Master of Disguise. For that, you shall spend your life paying.
That said, Letterman is going public with the kind of things these people whisper about among themselves.
More like sneer, over a cocktail glass, in the correct sort of company.
Hell, I’m funnier than Letterman
Contessa Brewer (who was known to be a slut with married men here in Milwaukee) said it was “comedy” so it was okay!
Nappy headed ho was comedy too. What’s the difference??
Does these pants make my alas look fat?
Alas, a typo.
Alas, a typo.
Your Rahmbo connected to de Pres-O
A couple of extra lines
De Pres-O connected to de Blago.
De Blago connected to de Rezko.
Mean Michelle could not shop for pants in Paris, as her alas was far too wide.
De blato connected to de rahmbo.
I would count on this reaction.
Then I’d make it clear that CBS took no heed. Then I’d ask Hillary Clinton to support my outrage.
Checkmate.
Other than a moral victory, I just don’t see you’d get much traction.
I think Sarah’s reaction was correct. What Todd may do (in a dark alley) I’d prolly support as well. But, Letterman deserved whatever shit was heaped in his direction. He may revel in it as you said, but I bet there are a whole lot of people for whom this may have been the line he shouldn’t have crossed. I hope he keeps on opening his big fat mouth until he has zero audience. Until people see him as the crazy old crank that he is.
Well, that’s my dream.
alas the O! fired mr goodwrench and hired mr monkeywrench.
“I have no tatts, piercings, or Birkenstocks, so I’d stand out despite my Tibetan dresses and Indian skirts. And ankle bracelet.”
Don’t shave for a month, and for the last week stop bathing and combing your hair; then you might be able to go deep cover for a time. That is, if you don’t die of the grossness first…
But watch out, if caught perpatratin’, they have far worse methods than waterboarding at their disposal; making you listen to rap, while watching films of Rosie, Janine Garofolo, and Bill Maher have sex…
Dude, she’s tryin’ to pass…
Well, Carin, I said as much, didn’t I?
And wait — moral victory? Having Hillary forced to either defend Sarah Palin or be questioned about her double standards? Leaving Obama to have to address the appropriateness of the joke?
That’s more than moral victory.
But then, what do I know.
See what Treacher would do. Check Twitter.
That said, Letterman is going public with the kind of things these people whisper about among themselves.
Because those people have enough of a sense of shame to just whisper them, whereas letterman is trying to keep his ‘edginess’ by attacking a fourteen year old girl.
Good move, Mr. Letterman, because nothing says ‘edgy’ like an adult male attacking a young girl. Nothing says that, but ‘creepy’ or ‘icky’ are pretty close. Or maybe ‘cowardly’. Dpn’t want to leave out ‘cowardly’, you big hunk of ‘speaking truth to power’, you.
oh. I may have read meya’s comment wrong but that would just be all too easy, to just say that I may have read meya’s comment wrong just because in fact I did. I’m going to spend my afternoon in quiet reflection of this alas business and really really look at the word, and look at me, and look at the word, and look at me, and see if maybe I have been precipitous. I will also enjoy a tasty enviga.
Someone in Oregon just ate a ham sandwich and laughed out loud at a video on Youtube.
Thought you guys would want to know immediately.
in re: 208.
Diagnosed perfectly, if I may say so myself.
G’night! And don’t forget to tip your waitresses!
Tip them over what?
Oh, sorry – thought I was with Chris Dodd and Ted Kennedy there.
Thank you for posting, Jeff.
“obamas mama” in the 3rd
Alas, I have not watch Letterman for many a year now. I cannot tell if this is part of an ongoing slide or some sort of “Great Leap Downward”.
I wonder if Palin going to some of the advertisers of Late Night and asking them what they think would have an effect?
Nice to
seeread you again Jeff G.TFCB!
See if you’re old enough to remember that!
Miranda Warnings for Terrorists — Thank Sen. McCain
From Rules For Radicals:
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
And wait — moral victory? Having Hillary forced to either defend Sarah Palin or be questioned about her double standards? Leaving Obama to have to address the appropriateness of the joke?
Well, I was thinking that Palin would put Hillary in that position, but somehow Hill wouldn’t really carry through. Who would question her? What media would put her under pressure? It wouldn’t end with people thinking that what Letterman said had crossed the line.
#205 – that is rather clever. I like that.
what they said about thank you for posting.
*cheers for an encore, lighter raised*
This isn’t about Letterman.
Some people here seem very unfamiliar with Letterman’s schtick, but beyond that, if you want to turn this into a rallying point, do so by making it work for YOU and not for THEM.
That’s alas time I even think about watching Letterman. From now on I’m only watching Leno.
[…]
WHAT!!!???
Aw, crap.
“Which means we ought to see some kind of sexually-based “joke†involving Trig and a herd of sea lions.”
Somewhere, Andrew Sullivan is drooling.
N.O’Brain – Isn’t that Sully’s natural state?
I guess I’m just pessimistic, Jeff.
Letterman was my favorite, over Leno, for a decade or so. Then he started becoming increasingly unfunny. Or, I became more discerning and demanding, maybe (blame quitting drinking).
His attacks on McCain and his public fellatios of O! slammed the door. I wouldn’t watch him now if I were paid to watch him. This particular ‘joke’, I realize is not strictly a ‘rape’ joke, but is still mean-spirited, affects kids (off limits) and shouldn’t have aired. But it fits his polity perfectly.
Screw him, with the horse-face he married.
alas vanna could’t find a letter man
This might cheer you up Jeff.
A real man would apologize, face-to-face. A real man would not have said that in the first place though.
I just had occasion to call in a local talk show, because the hostess said that some of the guys at the station thought Dave was talking about Bristol, who is about 18 and a half years old, as if that made it OK or something….
Let’s go into the Wayback Machine. February 2008, David Shuster of MSNBC commented “doesn’t it seem like Chelsea’s sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?” (by the Clinton campaign). The president of NBC News personally apologized to Hillary, and Shuster was suspended from the air for two weeks. Chelsea was within a few weeks of her 28th birthday when this happened, making her by any reasonable standard a grown woman, (Bristol isn’t even old enough to purchase ethanol) and Shuster’s comment didn’t refer to literal prostitution, whereas Letterman’s first “joke” was overtly sexual, and the second has no other reasonable interpretation.
There’s “edgy”, and then there’s “low”. Letterman’s writers miscalculated.
But, that’s different, Monster.
Plus, Shuster was pretty much right, but that is beside the point. ;-)
This particular ‘joke’, I realize is not strictly a ‘rape’ joke, but is still mean-spirited, affects kids (off limits) and shouldn’t have aired.
It is chickenshit and cowardly, that’s why a real man wouldn’t have made that ‘joke’ outside of a locker room. No one with real ‘edgy’ credentials would be making jokes like that about an innocuous 14 year old. No real courage of any kind there, Mr. Letterman; the best you can do is run down a ninth-grader. Who is next to bear your caustic wit? The disabled? The ill? Anyone who can’t actually fight back?
And you should be respected for what, Mr. Letterman? Slurring children? Says a lot about you, but nothing a man would want to have said about him, no matter how much he was paid.
Alas, (D) Minnesota.
A cat in New Jersey just did something characterized as “adorable”.
Also, lulz.
mr O! lead the way with special olympics
The line drawn is one the left has in private, but now it seems, is sure enough of their power to go to a mass public. At least for a marketing test to see if the time is ripe. A shot across the bow.
The Left separates all society into groups, not individuals, groups. The most basic separation is the “us” vs “them”. Conservatives are the “them” and we are seen as not exactly human, a sub-thing, stupid of course, ugly, deserving of all manner of derision, scorn, and humiliation. A replacement for that long ago and long missed underclass. Can’t have a “Prime Divider” society without a designated, assigned, underclass. Test time, who is ready to be the servants?
I would encourage Todd Palin to look that Letterman punk up and punch his lights out, and to do it soon. Some things are ‘fighting words’ and require an ass-kicking, and that kind of public insult should not go unanswered or unpunished. I doubt you could find any jury with a father on it that would consider a good mouthful of fist and plenty of lost teeth as anything but that loathsome turd’s just desserts. And if we wish any kind of a return to civility, that type of immediate physical correction of progressive nastiness is exactly what is required.
But what’s really needed here is a little more tit for tat, expressed in a manner the dimwits might understand, to wit:
I think that by way of apology, raping Letterman with a baseball bat live on his own show might be a bit much. Maybe just his fugly wife. But hey, wouldn’t Palin actually be doing Letterman a favor by knocking out those nasty teeth? I mean, the ones in her vagina?
See how I did that lame and unfunny rape joke, lefties? Just as lame and unfunny as Letterman’s, but without the kids. So Learn it. Live it. Love it. Because if one of you nasty little ‘comedians’ ever says something like Letterman did about Palin’s kid to me, you’re going to wake up in a hospital. Yup. From now on I’m going to be all about “no, fuck you up if I can’t take a joke”. See, I’ve learned. No more self-imposed limits or silly moral rules. No need for any consideration or tolerance of any opinion but my own. Yeah. Finally. At long last.
I’m just like you.
alas proggs respect violence except against them
I once felt bad about accidentally saying “nipple”. Jack Paar, on the other hand, that guy was a filthy-mouthed menace.
If Palin called Letterman out, that’d be appropriate. Well, excepting that it’d get him banned at some of the finer rightwing sites.
Meh. If that happens, he’ll just secede.
Bite me, Allen. And, if we’re telling tales out of school, I’m not the one known as Mr. Grabby by every waitress in the Borscht Belt.
our imam president could follow in the footsteps of mo and aisha
#241 – Jeff, see now, Dave is a good man and we wouldn’t want to wish failure upon him. Nosiree!
The only problem with Palin beating the piss out of Letterman is that, in addition to the legal problems if proveable, in the salons of the upper east side it would simply reinforce the chillbilly stereotype. And, I get Mike/Cold Fury’s point; but I fear that here in NYC Todd would be convicted for bustin’ up Letterman…
But…If instead, they “encouraged” a couple of large Latino brothers to do it instead; you know, to stand up for Axelrod’s “honor” being questioned…
I’m sure that the motivation could easily be provided by visits from several former Patriots; Ben Franklin(s) comes to mind…
Anyway, it’s hard to see how the press could get down on some Latino’s who were simply sticking up for a fellow “Hombre”, one too much in the public eye to get satisfaction on his own, who’d been slandered by such a “racist” remark by a mainstream white entertainer…
And it’d be real hard for the identity politics bunch to defend the white guy who slandered the Latino…
We just gotta figure out how to use identity politics and the Alinsky principles against them:
“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.â€
Remember, I’m just joking, really…
get thuggish with thugs? oh the hummanity
Not Ben Franklin. Sam Adams.
question for jeff or dan why was “poncho(sp) tilting at windmills”
The Von Brunn shooting was a terrorist act and a horrible crime. His victim was a hero. This guy in no way represents my views, any more than scum like Fred Phelps represents view of most Christians. But I know that Charles Johnson and other mendacious douchebags on the left will use the opportunity to blame this act on right wing extremism. He was wearing a confederate hat wasn’t he?
But the Reverend Wright (why doesn’t Wright count as a Christianist to Sullivan?) gives another example of Jew hatred, with his rant today. Wright mentions that Israelis are engaged in ethnic cleansing in Gaza. That is true. The Israeli Defense Forces did do ethnic cleansing in Gaza, they evicted several thousand Jooooooooooz so the Palestinians could have their ethnically pure Shangra la. How has that turned out?
So Jeff’s argument about Letterman can also be used on President Barack on this issue. Question him about anti Semitism. Obviously Von Brunn is a violent murderer, but Wright’s comments are not acceptable are they? Ask if it is true Barack Obama told Israel it cannot bomb Iran. These are all legitmate questions. I would suggest we start asking them now.
How do you figure? His death is tragic, but despite the fact that he probably had little to no time to see it coming, he didn’t manage to do anything but get shot. That’s no knock on him, and from what I hear he was a really nice guy, and maybe given the chance to be a hero he would have been one. But I heard him called a hero on the filthy CNN too, and I don’t get how the term fits him.
The other thing that’s stuck in my bonnet like a killer bee hive is that we once again see wall to wall coverage of this shooting. Actually, that’s not it. It’s the fact that I asked half a dozen different people today whether they knew that an American soldier was murdered on the streets of Little Rock for being an American soldier and not a fucking one of them had heard a goddamn thing about it. Tiller they knew about, and this crazy old fuck they knew about, but the murder of Pvt. William Long and the wounding of Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula by a wannabe jihadi? Completely fucking clueless. I’d like to know why. And I’d like to beat the answer out of our Fourth Estate.
They should meet someplace neutral, like Texas. But not Austin.
yes. people were likeable, in the 80s. Now it’s different.
alas Reagan tells Proggs to go f@@k themselves
As expected, duck and weave from Letterman
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/06/letterman-says-he-wasnt-talking-about.html
A late answer to McGruder: Yes, there were some things the Repubs did right. They scared the shit out of the world, thereby buying us valuable time to do whatever it is they did and we must do.
Quoting what Gateway has posted from Free Republic:
Oh, wait, that’s only one thing. Another thing the righties did was close the borders. Oh, wait…
The dude was a Stormfront/Truther who hated George Bush and neocons. He wasn’t any wing, he was nuts.
Jeff is right. Ask Obama about Letterman. Ask about Wright too.
And Pablo, the officer killed today at the Holocaust Museum was a hero. He was on duty, those guards defended the museum when Von Brunn came in with his rifle, and that particular guard was mortally wounded. I am not sure who managed to shoot Von Brunn, but that does not make the one who fell any less of a hero. Any more than a Marine taking a shot and falling in battle and his fellow Marines surviving and taking a hill.
Well it certainly isn’t because of any bias in the media, that is just crazy talk.
B Moe, I don’t doubt what you said.
And it outrageous that is the case.
Um, so being a museum guard makes you a hero? Or is it getting shot being a museum guard that does it?
Again, no knock whatsoever on Stephen Johns, God rest his soul and comfort his loved ones. But I’ve always thought that being a hero requires some, you know, heroism. BTW, it was one of his comrades that shot the looney old fucker, who walked in the door and opened fire, hitting Johns. It’s a damn shame that Johns is the dead one in all of this.
See, that assumes strapping up and going into combat, which has a heroic aspect to it.
Letterman doing his Maxwell Smart impersonation, “Would you believe….”
It won’t work Pablo. Incorrigibility rules in matters like these I think. The same problem stands with the uses of tragedy, which once entailed genuinely heroic men caught out by their flaws and blind-spots but has come to mean anything remotely sad or unfortunate. So the death of a child is tragic. Nobody nowadays gives a shit what it used to mean or that that meaning was actually thought to be important at one time.
Letterman extended an invitation to Palin to come on the show as a guest.
The gall on this pasty bag of puss is remarkable. This smug shitheel really needs a good old fashioned broken-bones ass-whippin’. Please, Todd – I’m beggin’ you, man! Perhaps I was a bit hasty in dismissing the baseball bat rape, as well. Clearly nothing is out of bounds as far as ‘Dave’ is concerned.
Go on … the show, shitbird? What sane woman would want to get anywhere near a bunch of creepy old pedophiles with child rape fantasies like you and your crew, Letterman? How could a strong and protective mother like Sarah Palin possibly resist taking that baseball bat to your smirking faces? And do you really think your candy ass is any match for that Fury, you fucking coward?
Enjoy your declining and ever more repulsive audience, Mr. Tee-vee Starâ„¢ – you deserve each other. I’ll be one of the millions of sane people avoiding you and your shitty little show.
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Pablo you are better than this. The Holocaust Museum is remains a target, which is why they employ armed guards (they do not have armed guards to keep the Van Goghs and Monets safe). Does a police officer killed in the line of duty count as a hero. A firefighter? A smokejumper? Yeah they do. Same with a guard at the Holocaust Museum. Von Brunn walked in and shot Johns (do you think him being black contributed to it) and two other guards shot Von Brunn.
Now I understand what you are saying. This is not like earning a medal of honor, but it is still heroic service becuase being a guard means you may be shot dead. And because he took the bullet, the two other guards got to shot Von Brunn. Were the two soldiers killed in Alabama heroes? Maybe not in your book, but in mine yeah they were.
sdferr, I understand there is a reason we give out purple hearts, bronze stars, silver stars, Navy crosses, and medals of honor. That each one means something different. I also understand the difference between pathetic, tragic and heroic. But a man standing guard is a hero when he falls in the line of duty. I do not care if he did not get the chance to shoot back.
Hey Dave, how about I come on (dramatic self-important pause here)
the show?. Your other guest can be a Louisville Slugger. It’ll be a big hit.
You don’t even have to pay me.
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I used to carry a gun in the employ of Uncle Sam, and I don’t consider myself a hero because of it. In fact, the most heroic moment of that career involved a firehose, not a weapon. I think this description cheapens the word. A hero is someone who knows he’s wading immediately into the shit and does it anyway.
JACK:KILLED BY COMMIE; BOBBY KILLED BY A PALI; MARYJOE KILLED BY A KENNEDY
YES MO ATTA IS A “HERO” VIVA 9/11
To the people who believe in what he believed in, he most certainly is. Are you one of them, newrouter?
There are degrees of being a hero. I understand the those who go above and beyond. Merely wearing a gun and standing guard counts, because it does make you a target. Those guards were there for a reason and it was not to protect the collection, but to protect the visitors. The Museum was a target for what it represented. Those guards were trained for exactly that. Johns gave his life (and granted he probably had little time to react), while his fellow guards took Von Brunn out. Johns is still a hero. Calling him that does not cheapen the term.
A hero is someone who knows he’s wading immediately into the shit and does it anyway.
Hmm… what about someone like Liviu Librescu?
He’s a hero to me.
So, I’m a hero then. Yay!
Yeah, Liviu Librescu meets my pigheaded, definition based criteria. That was a stud. And a hero.
Pablo, thank you for your service. I am also glad you were not a tragic hero.
YES; ARE YOU AN IDIOT
Not all heroes are equal Pablo. Liviu Librescu is a very special man and hero because of those unique circumstances he faced. But standing honorably and doing your duty, and falling in the line of duty, is still heroic.
Even you with your fire hose counts, just not as much.
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Sleep it off, champ.
So, more or less what I said. Incorrigible. Because see, Pablo, you are better than this.
Hi bh.
Additional Jeff pic available here, for those who wished such a thing.
It may be too, how do you say, nuanced for someone not familiar with the culture…
But then, I’m sure you weren’t being judgemental…
Hey, sdferr.
On topic, only by a photo or two: when I see wrestlers getting ever stronger I just figure I’ll never put on decent muscle mass like that. May as well keep working on timing uppercuts and knees instead. And running. Running seems wise.
Guard (and they call them officers) does down at the Holocaust Museum, protecting visitors, and you dumb fuck heads want to argue he is not a hero.
I get the difference in degree. Perhaps you should too.
Really, talk about myopic.
Hey Joe, see if you can find where I’ve maintained anything about the guard who died today. Anything at all, let alone that I’ve argued he is not a hero. I dare say you won’t find it though. Because it isn’t there.
What I’ve been pointing out to Pablo is something about you, not the guard, who for all I know may have done something heroic today, or then again, may not.
Hey sdferr, fuck you. Becuase I think a man who dies while in the line of duty gets to be called a hero. Pablo disagrees. That is okay, he can do so. You can call me incorrigble. I can call you fuck heads. What goes around, comes around.
This is the same bullshit as LGF and Charles Johnson arguing Nazis are always right wing extremists.
See, that strikes me as odd Joe, since pointing out your incorrigibility on this question isn’t intended as a criticism of you or something you should take as intended to be a harm or whatnot. It isn’t in the least. It’s merely an observation of your emotional investment in your position and what I assumed would be your intention to keep to it regardless of what Pablo might argue pro or con on the question of heroism. But hey, fling green footballs about or whatever else may float your boat, makes no never mind to me.
That’s very intemperate of Joe to say such things I think but maybe I’m just not in the moment. I went all day and didn’t get me no new heroes. I suck at heroes. Minute I say someone is my hero they go and do or say something stupid or weird which makes me look like an idiot. It’s kinda like how I use to say Christian Bale was my favorite actor. I think I’ll no longer have favorite actors. And dead heroes are best.
Please, must we play the Left’s game, forever cheapening our language to the point where anything that annoys a feminist is ‘rape’, anything even mildly unpleasant (“Bon Jovi!”) done to a terrorist is ‘torture’, and any poor dumb bastard who gets shot is now a ‘hero’.
Words mean things, or at least they should. Misusing and abusing the language like deprives us the ability to even begin to describe the truly exceptional. When the husband who successfully remembers to bring home a loaf of bread is a ‘hero’, what words are left for the guy who throws himself on the live grenade to save his buddies?
(I’m at least somewhat of the opinion that, once we lose the words to describe a thing, we’ll also slowly lose the ‘thing’ itself. I’m not completely sold on the idea, but I wouldn’t want to chance it, either.)
Heroes are few and far between – the one in a thousand who willingly put themselves into obvious and actively dangerous situations, with little or no expectation of making it out on the other side. The live-grenade guy. The guy who charges the machine-gun nest. Men whose names would (in more civilized times) be remembered in song, or the occasional Epic Poem.
People who give themselves over to the most inspiring deeds of self-sacrifice, elevating all of us just by being members of the same species. Men who inspire us, making the rest of us wish that we’d act the same in similar circumstances (even while knowing deep in our hearts that we’d almost certainly fall far short)… these are the true heroes.
A security guard who gets killed by some random old fucker with a shotgun — not automatically a hero. A damned shame, an outrage, a pity, someone who got a raw deal: all true. But not intrinsically heroic.
Which is not to say that the man in this case wasn’t a hero; for all we know he might have done something very heroic, jumping in front of the gun to save a child, charging the shotgun guy, who knows. News reports are sketchy. By all means, if he actually did something actively heroic, let’s shout it from the rooftops; we could all use more inspiration, and true heroism must be acknowledged wherever we can find it — but save the word for the action! A shitty situation and/or extremely bad luck (e.g getting shot and being as surprised about it as anybody) doesn’t instantly connote an act of heroism.
As convervatives, arguably the most important thing we can ‘conserve’ would be the meaning, history, intent, and dare I say it, the nuance behind the words we use. But hell, there’s this Jeff guy who stops by every now and then who can argue that point way better than I can…
Joe, dial it back, chief. You really think sdferr is given to, well, whatever would be fuck you worthy?
John Nolte at Big Hollywood is wondering what Don Imus thinks about all this Letterman business. In much the same vein I wondered earlier today whether anyone has heard from Vivian Stringer. Still no word from her so far as I can tell. Vivian seems to have been taken up in the My Hero Project though. Now would be a good time for a heroic basketball coach to speak up on behalf of an objectively innocent 14 yr old maligned by a doddering tv show host.
A guy, a black guy, working as a guard at the Holocaust Museum gets shot dead by some crazy Nazi fucker. He has worked there for six years, his job is to keep crazy Nazi fuckers from shooting people at the museum. He does so, by taking a bullet and allowing his fellow guards to shoot the motherfucker. I am sure that Nazi fuck aimed at him because, he figured kill a nigger and then kill some kikes. That guard’s death probably saved someone else’s life. Maybe scores of lives.
Now I was not there. Maybe he pissed his pants. Maybe he was totally heroic and just happened to be unlucky. You know something, for showing up at work and taking a bullet in that capacity it is not too much to call him a hero. Is he fucking Audie Murphy? Well no, more in the wrong place at the wrong time and unlucky. Is it fucking too much to call him a hero for doing his job and dying for it? No it is not. Because a security guard at that museum is still just like a cop, or fireman, who has a bad day and dies on the job.
But you mypopic idiots want to argue he is not a hero. We have Jeremiah Wright on the same day blaming the Jews on manipulating Obama and keeping his son from him. And we have a black man, probably making a rather modest salary, who dies defending the Holocaust Museum. And you will argue through the tread on the day that guy died that he is not a hero becuase hero means something and you can dilute that.
Jesus Christ, yeah it is fucking frustrating.
Here’s an it’s-a-crazy-world-if-true story:
2 Japanese carrying $134 bil worth of U.S. bonds detained in Italy
not everything has to be drama drama drama. Sometimes what things are is a sequence of events.
What’s cool is that the guard was black, so now Obama has to calculate how long to wait before denouncing the killing of this guard by the old white guy. In order to balance the equation with the time it took for Obama to mention the white soldier being killed by a Muslim whacko, he will need to use some parentheses and some exponents.
….and George W would have contacted both victims’ families personally and immediately.
I dunno, Joe. It seems like an inappropriate time to debate this, since the guy just died.
A great guy grabs a cat and a little kid on the way out of a burning building. A hero goes back in to rescue more. I don’t know what this guy did or didn’t do.
But, in my nomenclature, being killed in the line of duty doesn’t automatically make you a hero. If it does, than I think we’d have to make up a new word for those men who go above and beyond. I’m thinking … superhero? That sounds kinda cheap, though.
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Of course, he’s a hero, Von Brunn’s an excon that should never have been out of prison. DHS didn’t keep an eye of him, just like they didn’t do anything about Hakim Mujahir Muhammed, aka Carlos Bledsoe, or that waste of space, Scott Roeder. No names, no group affiliations, just a stigmatization of the political opposition, Rule # 12, from Rules for Radicals
If anyone cares, here is what AR600-8-22 says:
Heroism
Extreme courage demonstrated in attaining a noble end. Varying levels of documented heroic actions are necessary to substantiate recommendations for the Bronze Star Medal with “V,†Air Medal with “V,†and the Army Commendation Medal with “V.†In connection with military operations against an armed enemy. This phrase covers all military operations including combat, support, and supply which have a direct bearing on the outcome of an engagement or engagements against armed opposition. To perform duty, or to accomplish an act or achievement in connection with military operations against an armed enemy, the individual must have been subjected to either personal hazard as a result of direct enemy action, or the imminence of such action, or must have had the conditions under which his or her duty or accomplishment took place complicated by enemy action or the imminence of enemy action.”
Joe, you are really off base here. Deep breath pal…
“It is chickenshit and cowardly, that’s why a real man wouldn’t have made that ‘joke’ outside of a locker room”
So long as we still have a safe space.
“Letterman extended an invitation to Palin to come on the show as a guest.”
SNL seemed to have found a good way to handle the sexist treatment that the women candidates got.
That’s great Sdferr, cause he sure didn’t write it up or think it up himself.
“It is chickenshit and cowardly, that’s why a real man wouldn’t have made that ‘joke’ outside of a locker roomâ€
So long as we still have a safe space.
So, you agree that the Letterman joke was wrong, Meya? Are we making progress?
Carin, I called the guy a hero for taking a bullet while on duty and him dying for it. Apparently he was not. I guess it was inappropriate for me to say so.
And LTC John, I understand the varying degrees of heroism.
You all need to think about this.
“So, you agree that the Letterman joke was wrong, Meya? Are we making progress?”
I said it in the other thread. But don’t you know? Wrong is not enough.
Where was all the outrage from the right wing radical racists when limpboy the dope addict called Chelsea Clinton a dog?I guess that was free speech?Why the double standard?
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Where was all the outrage from the right wing radical racists when limpboy the dope addict called Chelsea Clinton a dog?I guess that was free speech?Why the double standard?”
Been covered already, birdboy.
16 years age, he apologized, because of the reaction from the Right, can’t we just all MoveOn?
What N O’Brain said, M Dove…
In any case, would two wrongs make a right..? I guess you’re a proponent of reverse racism then too!
Joe, reread the very first sentence from the part I quoted – I think that is the point others were trying to make. Not the varying degrees – that would be determined by what someone did.
You over-reacted, I think, and are imputing ill-motives to those that have not exhibited it. Hence my call to stand down a bit.
Not saying someone, from the information available right now, is not a hero, is not the same as denegrating them.
I don’t know enough of what happened to give him a label yet other than “I wish he had not been killed or even hurt”.
See, commenting on a child’s looks is exactly the same as calling them a prostitute or suggesting that she’d be fucking a professional baseball player in a packed stadium during a game. That’s what you’re saying, right, M Dove?
LTC John, all I did was call the guy a hero. Something Michelle Malkin did too.
I do not impute bad motives on Pablo or Sdferr. They are good men. They resist those who waterdown the term hero. I get that. I agree with it in general. This argument is becoming too myopic.
But when an officer falls in the line of duty (even if some shooter bursts in and shoots him before he can react) he is a hero.
They give purple hearts out for a reason. They are for getting wounded or killed in meritrious service. Bascially putting your life on the line and getting wounded and killed is heroic. Not the same as the criteria for other heroism awards, but still a recognition of it.
For clarity.
David Letterman’s utterly sleazy attempt to pretend that the joke he told about Sarah Palin’s daughter at the baseball game WASN’T about the daughter who was at the baseball game was worthy of the sleaziest politicians he’s ever tried to mock.
Picture this scene: Mr. David Letterman comes home at night, and his son comes running to greet him. His son asks, “Daddy, what kind of work do you do?” Letterman replies, “Well, sonny dear, I take gratuitous, scurrilous and depraved shots at people who’ve never done me harm – yes, lad, even at their children – in order to get cheap laughs from an audience of mindless sycophants who’ll laugh at anything I say because I’m famous and they think it makes them really cool. (They’re so dumb they don’t even know when they’re not supposed to laugh.) Wouldn’t you like to be just like your ol’ pop when you grow up, sonny boy? Sonny? … Sonny?”
A 62-year-old man still cracking junior-high-school jokes for a living…. yeah, that’s really something to look up to.
Wow…the real JeffieG is back.
Like Kyle said, either it is all ok to make fun of, or none of it is.
Bravo.
STFU, idiot.
Is it me or does dave look more and more like Jed Clampett
http://www.unclejedcountry.com/images/jed.jpg
Stopped watching TV when the networks started drinking the Kool-aid. I used to like DL.. now he’s a dirty old man who leans far left.
It wasn’t a rape joke. It was a knocked up joke. In common usage, knocked up refers to pregnancy from consensual intercourse. It was Todd who interjected the word rape — so if Todd uses rape/knocked up interchangeably, Levi therefore raped their daughter. And, as for Todd coming to New York to knock
Dave’s teeth out, he would immediately be introduced to the crime of battery — words (Dave’s) are not
justification for crime. Todd – Sarah, Alaska hillbillies
Rufus, since the daughter who was present when the alleged “knocking-up” occurred was 14 years old, the word “rape” would indeed apply. The fact Letterman thought he was making the joke about an 18-year-old only illustrates how stupid he is. And your calling the Palins “hillbillies” says much the same about you.
Hillbillies they are, and hillbillies they will always be — live with it.
Rufus, you are an unadulterated ass.
serr8d, thank you, thank you very much.
You want another?
You still Letterman’s old lady is still turning tricks for cans of Alpo? What a shame what with David having all that cash saved up to buy his next wife.