May 31, 2009

Tiller’s Assassination [Dan Collins; UPDATE]

Darleen’s already spoken her mind in the comments to the post below: Kansas has the death penalty and it should be on the table in the sentencing of Tiller’s assassin. I don’t advocate the death penalty, but that is Kansas law, and I agree with her. Contradictory? Yeah, I guess.

This was an act of terrorism, as well as of murder. It was no more or less an act of political assassination than any of the bombings advocated by Bill Ayers. It was no more or less a violation of civil rights than the New Black Panther polling intimidation that the Obama Justice Department decided to drop ex post facto. There is either one justice for all, or there is justice for none.

Let’s ask ourselves whether there’s been a hate crime committed here. Has there? If so, aren’t Islamists guilty of hate crimes? Should the fact that they commit such crimes largely against minority believers in their own countries be cause for more stringent sanctions and severer punishments? Do the continuous legal assaults on Sarah Palin constitute a hate crime?

Donald Douglas is right to complain about Andrew Sullivan’s selective outrage, and as big an ass as Bill O’Reilly is, he’s not responsible for some murderous bastard’s behavior. This sorry episode should be an example of how absolute is the sanctity of life; unfortunately, that’s not what people will teach, and that’s not what people will learn.

UPDATE: Somebody at Lean Left doesn’t think that Bill Ayers was a terrorist, and doesn’t realize the rhetorical barrel he’s over if he doesn’t disavow the “Christianist” meme. Murderers; terrorists. “Anti-government” fanatics.

Posted by Dan Collins @ 2:20pm
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  1. Well said, Dan.

  2. The Extremist Double Standard will again rear its ugly head. Anyone who wants what Tiller did to be illegal is automatically guilty of his murder, but we elected as President a man who launched his political career from the home of an actual terrorist (who participated in planning acts of violence), and when Gov. Palin said that was “palling around”, she was over the line.

  3. That’s kind of like how Garp’s mom died I think. I seriously doubt this’ll actually make other abortion people feel terrorized exactly cause this guy was enthusiastic about late term abortions which is very unusual. The guy what killed Tiller should have had the decency I think to blow his own head off after … it’s kind of obnoxious to put everybody through a trial and all and how people will be cleverly so cleverly pointing out how it’s ironic that he faces the death penalty blah blah blah. NPR is gonna love the shit out of this.

  4. Definitely murder, but I don’t know about an act of terrorism. I also think you’re jumping the gun in drawing conclusions based on assumptions (that might well pan out) rather than evidence. We don’t even know who the killer is, other than that he’s a dreaded white male. What say we wait to hear what the cops have to tell us after they’ve interviewed him?

  5. Well, leftards are always about “root causes” (that always mesh perfectly with their narrative). Islamic terrorists have the protective layer of the US and Jews being evil and eco-terrorists have the rapeyness of gaia-hating greedmonsters as a root cause. So to the left they’re extreme reactions to understandable sentiments. On the other hand, when some nut kills an abortion provider they see a root cause of hating women’s freedom and extra-Jesusy right wing hateness. That someone might be motivated by a belief that abortion is the murder of babies is unfathomable ton them because that would require the intellectual honesty of accepting that being pro-choice (as I am) is not the moral high ground position.

  6. NPR is gonna love the shit out of this.

    Yeah, the left couldn’t be happier today. They’re thrilled, starting with St. Andrrew of Heart-Ache who is railing against Christianists as we speak.

  7. I don’t care who the vic is, you don’t shoot someone in cold blood.

    You wanna stop a late-term abortionist? Make it illegal.

  8. Abortion is murder, maybe. But murder is definitely murder, and must be punished as such, to the fullest.

  9. Besides, if there were a movement of Christianists out to kill abortion providers, there would be a lot more of them dead.

    A lot. Because they’re clinging to their Bibles AND their guns, remember?

  10. Definitely murder, but I don’t know about an act of terrorism.

    Yeah. What if the guy owed him money? (Unlikely, but still.)

  11. This was an act of terrorism, as well as of murder.

    Respectfully disagree. “The term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.”(U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d))

    I think the legal definition is unsatisfied on several levels in this case. Maybe if the shooter would’ve bombed the whole church, or even sprayed bullets randomly, taking innocents along with the doctor, then you could make a case it was terrorism. The key element that traditionally defines terrorism is the terrorists’ goal to produce, well, terror among innocent bystanders who might get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. There’s no evidence of that element here.

  12. The guy what killed Tiller should have had the decency I think to blow his own head off after …

    I disagree. I’d like to hear from someone without a pre-ground political axe as to whether this really was a political killing. Jumping guns isn’t a whole lot better than emptying them into people.

  13. What if the guy owed him money?

    Was every safe, legal abortion he performed “successful?” Did he never botch one?

  14. A commenter in Douglas’s thread made a good point- when the killer is illegal, the story usually get buried. When its potentially a christian (who as we know are the worst kind of people), the story will never leave the news cycles.

  15. I’ve forgotten, has Sully directed his OUTRAGE!!! against Al Gore and the Environmentalists when death threats and attempted bombings/murders are directed by ELF, et al, against scientists and universities?

    Why the silence, Sully?

  16. Yeah. What if the guy owed him money?

    Or what if the shooter was the father of one of the nearly born babies that Tiller prevented from inconveniencing its mother?

  17. Or what if the shooter was a pitch-perfect stereotype of a right-wing nut-job?

    Doesn’t matter. Shooter committed homicide. Prolly first degree.

    Book ‘im Dano. Murder One.

  18. Or what if the shooter was the father of one of the nearly born babies that Tiller prevented from inconveniencing its mother?

    Wouldn’t make any difference to me, but to the empathy crowd, maybe that and if the shooter was poorer than the rich doctor, he should catch a break, correct?

  19. Abortion is murder, maybe. But murder is definitely murder, and must be punished as such, to the fullest.

    You actually believe that late-term abortion (Tiller’s speciality) is only “maybe” murder?! Seriously??? I was under the general impression that if the act was explained to virtually anyone but the most die-hard, freakshow, ‘pro-choicer’ that they’d agree that it is, quite clearly, murder of a most cold-blooded, clinical, sort. (We are way, way past the “maybe” murder of conception to ‘x’ weeks argument that usually populates the hair-splitting nature of the abortion debate.)

  20. I don’t agree still. People what go into a church and shoot people in front of chilrens and such should politely excuse themselves after and blow their heads off I think.

  21. Sheesh, ECM, did the Sanity Inspector write “late-term abortion is murder, maybe”? No, he didn’t. So why do you have a problem imagining he’s referring to the whole category, which would include the pre-eminently disputed question of the application of the term murder to the abortion of a three week old fetus, just for an instance? Don’t be an intentional misreader.

  22. Are you kidding me? Tiller deserves death in the eyes of any anti-abortotionist advocate. Times are changing, and the taking of the life of an abortionist may be justified and equitable.

  23. Moby on aisle 22!

    I wish we had IP hashes like Ace does. I bet “My Name” is one of the regular trolls.

  24. No. You’re not opposed to shoot abortionists. If so then I think abortionists should shoot back and kill alls you slavering bloodthirsty anti-abortion peoples. How you like them apples?

  25. There is no mis-reading: we are not talking about the ‘average’ abortion provider, nor are we talking about abortion in general–we are talking about a guy who made his bones as a later-term provider and, in that context, saying that what he did might be murder is taking the hair-splitting a bit far.

  26. Wouldn’t make any difference to me, but to the empathy crowd, maybe that and if the shooter was poorer than the rich doctor, he should catch a break, correct?

    It wouldn’t make a difference as to what to do with him, but it damned well ought to make a difference as to how the thing is framed.

  27. I’m sorry, I just don’t see Tiller singled out in TSI’s comment. You are putting Tiller there, when TSI may not intend him to be there. After all, Tiller is not the only abortion doctor to have been killed. TSI may simply wish to comment on the whole category. Why not?

  28. Murder cannot be justified. Likely this event would never have occurred had the radical, left-wing nuts ever advocated reasonable legislation prohibiting the atrocity of late-term abortions.

  29. What will be fun about this I think is watching the Media cannonize Tiller as a “champion” of troubled women with “no one left to turn to.” He’ll be a folk hero and a martyr before we know it, and there will be a “George Tiller Help for Women Act” designed to outlaw opposition to abortion rights or somesuch at a point in the near future.

  30. I see we’re getting the predictable influx of mobys, or perhaps agents provocateurs would be a better term.

  31. Likely this event would never have occurred if someone had confronted the killer person this morning with tasty buttermilk pancakes.

  32. 27:

    He doesn’t need to be “singled out”–in this context (i.e. the Tiller murder), we aren’t dealing with garden variety abortion but cold, calcluated, infanticide.

    Dont get me wrong: I’m certainly not saying the man should have been gun-downed in cold blood, but I don’t think we’re doing anyone any favors by allowing Tiller to be characterized, even offhandedly, as an average abortion provider and that we should be going along for the media ride, uncritically, that this dude is some sort of martyr to the pro-choice cause. (I realize that’s how it’s going to be spun, but I just don’t think that, after listening to Jeff for the past several months go on about ceding even an iota to the loons on the left, is the right way to go.)

  33. It’s terrorism and it will continue I guess until someone shoots Bill O’Reilly, Randall Terry, and James Dobson in both arms (1993 attack on Tiller), bombs their offices (1986), blockades their offices (1991), cuts the wires to their office security systems, chops holes in their roofs and plugs up the drainage system, (last month), mounts protests at their churches, homes, and offices (repeatedly) and finally walks into the vestibules of their respective churches while they’re serving as ushers handing out church bulletins, with their wives upstairs singing in the choir, and shoots them to death, evidently in the face so that witnesses will have to tell the police who the victims are, just like Tiller.

    Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric by the likes of these goons against doctors like Tiller who perform legal abortions will cease.

  34. ECM, I have only attempted to ask you to pull back from the direct accusation you made of TSI, which accusation you can only get to if you presuppose that TSI intended his comment in the way in which you read it (mis-read it, I believe): “You actually believe that late-term abortion (Tiller’s speciality) is only “maybe” murder?! Seriously???”. There is no call for it, that I can see, though TSI can speak for himself if I’m mistaken.

  35. I’ll join the chorus here condemning the shooter and calling for his arrest, prosecution and punishment. Just don’t ask me to grieve for the victim.

  36. Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric by the likes of these goons against doctors like Tiller who perform legal abortions will cease.

    “Shut up,” he explained.

  37. What some people may learn is that other people who claim to be concerned with an attack on human life are really more concerned over an attack on abortion.

  38. Ah, so markg8 knows who the shooter is and why he did it. Care to share your information with us markg8?

  39. Terrorism? That’s fucking ridiculous. Its as ridiculous as referring to the abortionist as a mass murderer.

    Lets not make the word terrorism meaningless for goodness sake.

  40. I like how markg8 travels seamlessly over objectively criminal acts to the inevitable conclusion that what we really need to do is shut people up.

    He’s a real friend of liberty, that one.

  41. confronted the killer with some swiss cakes at least

  42. Once the full details of the shooter are known, I bet he will turn out to be a marijuana abuser, drug addict or mentally ill. We have an epidemic of mental illness in this country.

    The MSM will try and make this a religio-political issue and condemnation of one group. But we should remember this same media tells use Islam is a peaceful religion. How will they cast christianity in light of this lone gunman if he turns out to be a religious maniac?

  43. I really, really don’t think it’s terrorism. Assassination works, but not terrorism. On the other hand if the dirty socialists are fantasizing about shooting Bill O’Reilly, Randall Terry, and James Dobson then I think life might could be getting very interesting and very soon. Let’s let the angry self-righteous cry of terrorism! ring in the ears of every dirty socialist supplicant I think. Me I can’t wait to see what happens next.

  44. I know Swiss cake rolls make me a good deal less violent.

  45. I don’t think we’re doing anyone any favors by allowing Tiller to be characterized, even offhandedly, as an average abortion provider and that we should be going along for the media ride, uncritically, that this dude is some sort of martyr to the pro-choice cause.

    Movements chose their own martyrs.

    Tiller’s murder is — should be — completely unexceptional to those who do not agree with his ethics. He is no more deserving of murder than anyone else. Saying “don’t ask me to grieve for the victim” is indistinguishable from the Kos “screw them” comment. We’re better than Kos; act like it.

  46. the shooter just gave the good doctor a post partum abortion

  47. Pingback: Infamous Abortionist Murdered in Kansas (with Updates and Unhinged Reactions from the Left) : The Sundries Shack

  48. Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric

    DAMN that pesky First Amendment. DAMN IT TO HELL, I say.

    Fucking fascist.

  49. i can’t get me too worked up about the demise of the good doctor. “do no harm” seems not to apply when sucking out the brains of the truly innocent in their 9th month of life to him.

  50. It’s intimidation through the use of lethal violence – meant to send a message to all abortion providers and anyone who deals with them, including the patients
    hospitals, etc. I think it’s reasonable to call that terrorism, like threats to kill teachers of little girls in Afghanistan.

  51. I want to know more about the church this guy attended. Did they have any idea about his ‘day job’? What kind of purported Christian-ethic based organization lets Dr. Mengele attend services there?

  52. I like how markg8 travels seamlessly over objectively criminal acts to the inevitable conclusion that what we really need to do is shut people up.

    Not just shut them up, but shoot them, take note.

    For expressing opinions he doesn’t like.

  53. So Mark, someone shoots a doctor and you advocate…more shootings?! No please. No more of that. The man who committed the assassination should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But more violence is definitely not what is needed right now.

  54. Once the full details of the shooter are known, I bet he will turn out to be a marijuana abuser, drug addict or mentally ill.

    It will make little different to Sully, et al, if a Bible is found in the murderer’s home, car or motel room. And his church affiliation, if any, will be used also as “proof” that Xtainists must be monitored by Obama’s DOJ and clergy criminally prosecuted for “hate speech”.

  55. argh… to be be clearer

    It will make little difference to Sully, et al; because if a Bible is found …

  56. Comment by markg8 on 5/31 @ 4:14 pm #

    Some “terror campaign”

    One doctor killed every ten years.

  57. So Mark, someone shoots a doctor and you advocate…more shootings?!

    Again, let us take note that Mark advocates shooting people SIMPLY FOR EXPRESSING OPINIONS HE DOESN’T LIKE.

    He’s a slimy little fascist fuckstick.

  58. “How will they cast christianity in light of this lone gunman if he turns out to be a religious maniac?”

    The same way they always do.

  59. I doubt that we’ll hear about “one man’s terrorist” being “another man’s freedom fighter” this time.

    Maybe the shooter came from poverty, or something?

    What are some of the other tropes to excuse terrorism, I don’t recall them now.

  60. It’s intimidation through the use of lethal violence – meant to send a message to all abortion providers and anyone who deals with them, including the patients
    hospitals, etc.

    So anyone who kills a prostitute is a terrorist? Or anyone who kills a cop is a terrorist? Or anyone who kills anyone is terrorizing other people who fall into the same category? Nope.

    Could be he just wanted to kill the guy, so he did.

  61. markg8 is a douchenozzle. Alread the Leftists want to blame as many as possible, casting as wide of a net as possible.

    Throw the book at the shooter.

  62. I dunno, SarahW. My feeling is that at this juncture of the American decent into fascism we really really don’t want to leverage this one disturbed little dude into the vanguard of domestic terrorism and violent extremism and domestic enemies and vigilance, citizen. Be careful what you say. Incitement!! Might as well have pulled the trigger yourself.

    You have to remember that it’s the dirty socialists what want to exploit this dead abortion doctor dude to send a message that all Christians are violent shitty animals what have limbical brains and such and are all Republicans and don’t let them play with your children and if I were you I wouldn’t hire a Christian for that job and also did you hear about Scott he’s dating a Christian yeah she goes to church and everything. His mom’s just sick about it but she can’t afford a deprogrammer.

  63. sorry I meant *descent* into fascism… but my point is more that after the dirty socialist media runs with this ball for a week, I think we’ll see who’s sending a message, and it’ll be one that abortionists specifically and dirty socialists generally are a lot jubilant about hearing I think.

  64. I agree with ‘feets. This killer guy should’ve aborted himself.

  65. Let’s see if we can get markg8’s position down right. It is okay to target somone for murder because they do not share markg8’s political views. It is doubly evil to preach said belief, and that anyone who protests, etc .. Is a terrorist deserving of death, because someone somewhere might murder someone who is objectively murdering people?

  66. I think chances of him being deranged or mentally unstable are very very high, and he may have some personal issues urging him to grandiose action and score-settling. Parishioners recognized him as a repeat protester, FWIW.

    Also might have been willing to “do what it takes” to get away… KAKE is reporting that the gunman threatened two other people – pointed the gun at them and threatened to harm them.

  67. I know Swiss cake rolls make me a good deal less violent.

    Avoid the cannoli.

  68. The only info on the perp is that he was arrested 3 hours away from Wichita (in KC), he was a white male, 51 years old (that’s past prime for most violent hotheads) and given his tactics he probably didn’t care about whether or not he got caught (he didn’t steal a car or change out his plates or even wear a mask, because he was recognized before he left the scene). Which makes him probably way past the bend, mentally.

  69. “Which makes him probably way past the bend, mentally.”

    Isn’t everyone who murders someone “way past the bend, mentally?”

  70. Isn’t everyone who murders someone “way past the bend, mentally?”

    No.

  71. cannoli … I say room temperature. I stopped ordering it cause it always comes cold. I don’t really need it anyway, just saying. But I like cannoli cause it’s one of those ones that’s almost always different everywhere you go.

    hmm. Maybe the killer guy was recently diagnosed with some horribly fatal disease?

  72. poon: you were told to leave. I suggest you do so.

    BTW, Mark, do the voters in your area know that you advocate murdering people for expressing political opinions?

    ‘Cause I don’t see that position as a big vote getter, personally.

  73. I say that it was an act of terrorism on the basis of slender evidence, but the evidence is that the murder was certainly designed to be a public spectacle.

  74. Comment by markg8 on 5/31 @ 4:14 pm

    It’s terrorism and it will continue I guess until someone shoots Bill O’Reilly, Randall Terry, and James Dobson in both arms (1993 attack on Tiller), bombs their offices (1986), blockades their offices (1991), cuts the wires to their office security systems, chops holes in their roofs and plugs up the drainage system, (last month), mounts protests at their churches, homes, and offices (repeatedly) and finally walks into the vestibules of their respective churches while they’re serving as ushers handing out church bulletins, with their wives upstairs singing in the choir, and shoots them to death, evidently in the face so that witnesses will have to tell the police who the victims are, just like Tiller.

    Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric by the likes of these goons against doctors like Tiller who perform legal abortions will cease.

    You would only be creating more terrorists, Mark8, you and all the other Tillers out there need to be asking yourself why these people hate you so?

  75. The only reason that Sully’s so worked up about this, after all, is that it’s necessary to maintain the political alliance with the abortion cultists. In the view of the moronic, the road to gay marriage is littered with the corpses of babies.

  76. but the evidence is that the murder was certainly designed to be a public spectacle.

    So, the attempt on Reagan was an act of terrorism?

  77. I repeat, it’s terrorism and it will continue I guess until someone shoots Bill O’Reilly, Randall Terry, and James Dobson in both arms (1993 attack on Tiller), bombs their offices (1986), blockades their offices (1991), cuts the wires to their office security systems, chops holes in their roofs and plugs up the drainage system, (last month), mounts protests at their churches, homes, and offices (repeatedly) and finally walks into the vestibules of their respective churches while they’re serving as ushers handing out church bulletins, with their wives upstairs singing in the choir, and shoots them to death, evidently in the face so that witnesses will have to tell the police who the victims are, just like Tiller.

    Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric by the likes of these goons against doctors like Tiller who perform legal abortions will cease.

  78. Wait. Tiller was IN A CHRISTIAN CHURCH when he was shot. A church in which he participated in good standing, IIRC.

    And so if some other guy who goes to another church (or none at all) shoots the guy, how is this Xtianist violence?

    Trouble is, the mooks in the MSM don’t blame Al Gore for the Unabomber, even though Earth in the Balance was found in the Unabomber’s residence, heavily annotated by same.

    And Rush et al. don’t ever talk about taking people out who they disagree with. So what up?

  79. I repeat, it’s terrorism and it will continue I guess until someone shoots Bill O’Reilly, Randall Terry, and James Dobson

    And I repeat: do the voters in DG know that you advocate murdering people who have differing political beliefs?

  80. Gee mark, it’s just as idiotic the second time you posted it. Where’d you c&p that from, anyway?

  81. wasn’t this performance art like that german musician karl von leftistloser said about 9/11

  82. Really, Mark? Do you recall any . . . any of the violent rhetoric involving Bush, or the assassination snuff porn movie? You’re as twisted and hateful as the killer.

  83. Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric by the likes of these goons against doctors like Tiller who perform legal abortions will cease.

    Hey, can you quote some of that violent rhetoric from James Dobson? You can quote some O’Reilly and Terry too, but I’d really like to hear the Dobson.

  84. How does the favored “cycle of violence” analysis work in this story?

  85. Oh, and won’t they also have to do all that stuff to the prosecutors that went after Tiller, mark? Inquiring minds want to know.

  86. Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric by the likes of these goons against doctors like Tiller who perform legal abortions will cease.

    you know they hang faggots in iran b/c it is legal

  87. “violent rhetoric”

  88. Why are ya’ll arguing with the fascist? He admits he wants to kill everyone who disagrees with him; arguing with him is pointless.

  89. I heard you loud and clear the first time, Mark8.

    Now answer my question:

    Wouldn’t you only be creating more terrorists, Mark8? Shouldn’t you and all the other Tillers out there be asking yourself why these people hate you so?

    Why is your reaction to this terrorist so different from your reaction to radical Islamist terrorists in the Middle East?

  90. Here Lies Dr. Geo. Tiller
    Late Term Abortionist
    Of Violent Rhetoric

  91. just to go global with the law like sc justice ruth: abortion is illegal in nicaragua .

  92. Markymark has a long history of violent rhetoric here and many other sites on the net.

  93. me i like violet rhetoric purple prose only goes so far

  94. I’m bookmarking that site sdferr cause I bet that’s perfect for some client down the road.

  95. They ship. I used to try to live inside their shop, every chance I got.

  96. Comment by markg8 on 5/31 @ 5:23 pm

    According to markg8; we can’t thinkz fer ourselves, we be stupid puppets for teh Radio Talkers! So nah, no responsibility on anyone’s part but evil talk radio and Xtians!1!11!!

    And yes, that was sarcasm.

  97. Termini is one of those places if you have South Philly roots, like me.

    My dear departed Mommom really enjoyed a surprise box of assorted cannoli, cookies and fresh fruit tarts whenever I passed by.

  98. oh. If you order the cannoli you have to fill the shells yourself cause they send the filling and shells separate probably cause the shells would get soggy. I’ve done that before and I pretty much demolish at least half the shells I try to fill. I really really suck at that.

  99. Bless you, Alec.

  100. First and foremost it’s homicide and we don’t know who the guy was that shot him. For all we know the good doctor was schtuping the other guys wife. Irrespective of what is thought about the doctors vocation he didn’t deserve to get shot and killed.
    Don’t start laying down that
    terrorist track until some more facts are in.

  101. Bless you, Alec.

    The woman raised me – least I could do. Then she’d say “get yer ass to mass.”

  102. isn’t bill ayers a terrorist? how about mumia?

  103. OT but breaking: GM bk is ON for tomorrow morning.

    Where’s thor? I wanted to ask if this was still a good time to buy their stock.

  104. how about the communist lee harvey oswald? sirhan sirhan? or the unabomber?

  105. extra extra get your penny stock here

  106. Current GM stockholders will see their holdings in the company completely wiped out by the bankruptcy filing.

    So definitely a good time to buy, eh? I mean, it’s not mathematically possible for it to go any lower, right?

  107. Tentative ID on the shooter – Scott Roeder stopped on 1-35 or thereabouts according to this NBC report. Roeder has a 1996 convictions for bomb-making materials in his trunk,

  108. Hey, where did Markymark go?

  109. markg8 – posting it twice just doubles our chances of reading your drivel, and doubly confirms your fascist tolatitarian impulses.

  110. happyfeet-

    Likely this event would never have occurred if someone had confronted the killer person this morning with tasty buttermilk pancakes.

    “Of course you can’t have pancakes without maple syrup.” *

  111. Here’s a matching Kansas corrections page. 99.9% its the same guy.

  112. Current GM stockholders will see their holdings in the company completely wiped out by the bankruptcy filing.

    They had it ciming!

    Nishi, blow it out your ass…somewhere else.

  113. so as so many have gone off on this subject we know the killers motivation? No? Didn’t thinks so.

  114. I am nauseous. I wonder if it was always this way–a controversial guy gets killed, and most people start reaching for the political angle? Did this happen when my parents were my age in the early 80s?

    There is something truly debauched in the like of Sullivan and his cronies who would blame this on an entire religion–what would they say or do if the guy was Jewish or agnostic?

    Thing is, would we be any different if a touchstone of the right, say a soldier home on leave, was killed somehow by a member of code pink? Would we indict everyone who disagreed with the war? I hope not. At moments like this, I reach back and touch my faith that we ARE different, that as conservatives we see the individual and not the group or the movement.

  115. I turned up MySpace and Facebook pages, but those aren’t likely to be the same guy.

    A son, maybe.

  116. Dan-

    In the view of the moronic, the road to gay marriage is littered with the corpses of babies.

    Meanwhile, the “road to Hell is (only) paved with good intentions” — It seems rather obvious to me you’d get better traction on ‘dead babies’.

    I think Sully is just a “pragmatist”…

  117. I think it’s cute that a large fraction of your commentors can’t help but justify or minimize the murder.

    That is a lie and you are a liar.

  118. This would be terrorism if the guy had murdered a building full of people who had nothing to do with anything and then said that more would die if abortion remained legal. This was an assassination, not unlike the assassinations that Tiller performed, although Tiller’s victims far more numerous and were completely innocent.

    The law must and will be followed in Tiller’s assassin’s case, but it doesn’t change the fact that Tiller was killer of innocents.

  119. Oh and speaking for myself, I don’t minimize the murder of Tiller, but I also don’t minimize the murders Tiller committed.

  120. I don’t like the idea of abortion, especially the late term, on demand kind. I will oppose it as a method of birth control until my dying day…

    All that said, it is obscene to kill Tiller, and try to justify it in the name of God…

    Regardless of what justice we think is meted out on this plane o eistence, I believe that all Christians, and Christ himself, would agree that Tiller’s ultimate judgement would have come on the next plane of existence…

  121. 120.
    read more closely, or stop lying.
    a man is dead. making up lies about other people doesnt bring him back to life.
    the comments here clearly reflect both horror at the crime and a willingness to support capital sentencing for whomever is convicted.

  122. You are a liar.

    Deal.

  123. i guess he wont be doing any more late term abortions then?

  124. I think some posts are being removed from here, so be careful — the numbers may not match up.

  125. Not terrorism. Terrorism needs a large provider network that pays for everything, and trains terrorists in camps. This is a lone gunman headcase who missed his meds.

    I think the Left is becoming ‘opportunity terrorized’, as fits their needs.

  126. My #126 (at least at the moment) was aimed at some asshole, btw.

  127. Johnson County Sheriff’s deputies stopped Scott Roeder on I-35 between the two main Gardner exits around 1:30 p.m. He surrendered without incident. Deputies did not find any weapons on him.

    “We shut down I-35 and directed him to come back to us. He complied with our request. He was arrested and taken into custody,” Lt. Mike Phannestiel said.

    According to Phannestiel, Roeder is on temporary hold for Sedgwick County at the Johnson County New Century Detention Center near Gardner. Roeder is considered a person of interest at this time.

    He has not been questioned nor has his car been searched. They will release him into the custody of the Wichita Police.

    ?

  128. I’d use a proxy if I were you guys.

    I’d go try to suck my own dick if I were you.

    Oh, right: you’re already doing that.

  129. Wow, marko and some asshole are really reaching. Conform, reality! CONFORM I SAY!

  130. WINGERS! TERRORISTS!

  131. Over at The Corner:

    The National Right to Life Committee (NRLC), the nation’s largest pro-life group, today condemned the killing of Dr. George Tiller.

    The Susan B. Anthony List condemns this anti-life act in the strongest of terms.

    Tony Perkins, President of Family Research Council, had this to say:

    “We are stunned at today’s news. As Christians we pray and look toward the end of all violence and for the saving of souls, not the taking of human life. George Tiller was a man who we publicly sought to stop through legal and peaceful means. We strongly condemn the actions taken today by this vigilante killer and we pray for the Tiller family and for the nation that we might once again be a nation that values all human, both born and unborn.”

  132. SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!

  133. free mumia so can do free roeder?

  134. just as George W. Bush and others attempted to link all oppositional dissent to the attacks of September 11, 2001

    Whoa…someone’s got black helicopter syndrome something fierce.

  135. WRONG, DICENTRA! WRONG!

  136. Yeah…I wunner what JeffieG would say.

    I’m pretty sure he’d point out that you, “some asshole” and markg8 are all clumsy liars.

    Hint: lying about what people said doesn’t work nearly as well when the original messages are still there to read.

  137. BUT IT’S TWUE, DARLEEN, IT’S TWUE!

  138. I think it’s cute that a large fraction of your commentors can’t help but justify or minimize the murder. Good work, pw.com. Truly classical liberalism at its best.

    proggs: must make laws about asshole on asshole crime.

  139. WINGERS!

    (Where’s the thirty-point font in this thing?)

  140. a large fraction of your commentors can’t help but justify or minimize the murder

    Is Nishi Mengele or poon doing this unreality-based sock puppetry?

  141. the pathetic hand-waving here

    SAY IT LOUD, POON, SAY IT LOUD!

  142. NO ONE here has justified the murder, asscultist. What does “hope he gets the death penality” mean on your planet?

  143. If you don’t think the pathetic hand-waving here isn’t minimizing or justifying the murder

    yea free mumia and oj

  144. SAFETY BEFORE FREEDOM TOO, WINGERS!

  145. Who knew John Lennon was a victim of terrorism? Not me, I tell ya what.

    And Bob(Hogan’s Heroes)Crane? Yeah. Terrorism. Definitely terrorism. Nathalie Holloway? Hollocaust is more like it.

    A fucking break is what I would like someone to gimme right about now.

  146. minimizing or justifying the murder

    That is a lie and you are a liar.

    I’m not going to debate with you, asshole because you’re not interested in a debate.

    You are simply a liar. A bad one.

  147. hey asshole

    I post under my REAL NAME. So, why am I going to have a knock at the door?

    Other than for making fun of Michelle Obama’s inaugural Kleenex gown?

  148. QUANTUM MORALITY, NUGGIE! THE CARP BOSUN PERCOLATOR FINALLY KILLED GOD!

  149. Do you really think that changing your name does anything to disguise who you are, “asshole”?

    Hint: it doesn’t.

  150. i like “FREE SWISS ROLLS”

  151. Michelle Obama’s inaugural Kleenex

    We’re a nation of LAWS, Darleen! SACRELIGIST WINGER!

  152. oooh! I’m a liar!

    Yes. You are.

    Next!

  153. Hydraulic racing “lifters”, Nuggie? CERN ROCKS!

  154. BTW, tomorrow’s a business day, “some asshole”. I’d suggest getting a good night’s sleep.

    You did promise your Daddy you were going to look for a job FOR SURE this week, right?

  155. THE NO-GOD PARTICLE!

  156. At least “some asshole” was kind enough to be honest when picking a name. nishit is just a lying krazy twat.

  157. Yeah, we know that, “asshole”.

    How many years is it now?

  158. one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
    dig it!

  159. PALIN’S WARDROBE! MCCAIN’S SHOES.

  160. I’m unemployed so no, I’m good.

    no one wants to buy defective products or services. just trying to help you asshole

  161. How many names has this chocolate starfish posted under?

  162. .bomb maker, tax protester, abortion-doctor-murderer.

    bill ayers, geitner et al, abortion-fetus-murderer

  163. Anyone else get the sense that the leftards are gleeful that this guy is dead?

  164. Poon the pusillanimous pussy, is that you? Drinking heavy on Sundays, I see.

    STFU, Nishit. You are a babbling idiot.

  165. He’s hardcore.

    riding a bike too much can make you a ridgeling

  166. You see, it is the internet. They can just say whatever they want, change their own reality simply by typing it.

  167. Having said my piece, it also unconscionable how many on the left are desperately trying to use this tragedy to make political hay…

    Sullivan, Marcotte, and their ilk are intellectual and moral guttersnipes who seek any bolster, regardless of how non-sequitor, to their ideological arguments…

    As always, the moral relevists will try to draw an equivalence between this random transgression and the organized acts of the Islamo-fascist terror networks; designed to score political points of their own…

    By their own yardstick, these people are like the AQ spokespeople, who come out of their rat-holes immediately after an act, to proclaim their point of view on the acts validity or justification…

    But really, it’s time for the left to stop with the vilification of their poitical opponents; to stop employing their long held favorite tactic of the politics of personal destruction…

    Our system was designed to operate with well intentioned people arguing their points of view, and recognizing that they could disagree without being disagreeable asses!

    The left needs to stop playing the semantics games, to state their positions clearly and without all of the usual vitriol and sarcasm, and count on the merits of their ideas to convince folks instead of the propaganda ploys…

    I Have a Dream…

  168. unconscionably boring I think, unless they can get a new angle to work. I think the terrorism angle they’ll mostly only be able to sell to themselves, but we’ll see what NPR and Newsweek can do with it.

  169. Anyone else get the sense that the leftards are gleeful that this guy is dead?

    Yes. They’re thrilled.

  170. mcgruder-

    a controversial guy gets killed, and most people start reaching for the political angle? Did this happen when my parents were my age in the early 80s?

    Of course. (I was 16 in 1980.)

    We had Chapman/John Lennon in NY in 1980, and Hinckley/Reagan in 1981.

    Within 10 yrs, we had the “Brady Bill”.

  171. It was just murder not terrorism, let’s not bend over backward showing we oppose the killing of people. Conservatives are just consistent: its wrong to do wrong, regardless of your alleged motivations. It was bad, as bad as killing anyone. Murdering this guy is a horrible act, a sin against God and deserving of punishment.

    Its almost as bad as murdering babies.

  172. Bob – That system you describe was based on parties that enter the discussion in good faith. Not one of the clowns you pointed out, nor the trolls here, would know what good faith was if it reached up and cockslapped them.

  173. You know…if I was going to pick an online enemy, dicentra, it simply wouldn’t be the Sword of Truth, Charles Johnson.
    He’s hardcore.

    Oh, he’s kinda busy cleaning up the comments from his registered commenters on his own blog.

  174. I think I’m going to watch the Lakers-Nuggets and then decide if it makes sense to keep reading comment threads with this number of lying, semi-literate trolls. If the Nuggets win it might cheer me up a bit. Right now, I find the ugly spectacle of using a murder to make political points to be nauseating.

  175. The left needs to stop playing the semantics games, to state their positions clearly and without all of the usual vitriol and sarcasm, and count on the merits of their ideas to convince folks instead of the propaganda ploys…

    But then they’d lose.

  176. An asylum is missing its idiot.

  177. How many names has this chocolate starfish posted under?

    And how much of your life are you going to waste responding to it?

  178. would know what good faith was if it reached up and cockslapped them

    there are pluses to being an aetheist

  179. Nishi Mengele

    As pointed out above, the Unabomber loved him some Al Gore. So when did Gore shut up?

  180. In ten years, abortion will be a non-issue and SSM will be legal everywhere.

    you be taking away a “women’s right to chose™” you winger

  181. Baracky loved him some Bill Ayers, and he’s the freaking President.

  182. I am sorry, but if this is an assasination, then every murder is an assasination. There was a murder today in San Francisco. No FBI concern, no national news. What is the difference? None. You have surrendered to the radical left and their domination of the political vocabulary.

  183. our bodies our selves

  184. Nishi loves her some genocide on those Africans.

  185. Of course they’re gleeful about it. Symbolism trumps human life, every time.

  186. Nishi loves her some genocide on those Africans.

    JD, just ignore the stupid cunt, OK?

  187. Pingback: Hot Air » Blog Archive » George Tiller murdered

  188. That was the whole point about the Wiggers post. Obama said he was going to release them, none of his Congresscritters wanted to host them. His Justice Department turned around and pulled a W. again.

    But see, it’s awful to say “Wiggers.”

  189. Yes. They’re thrilled

    Pablo, it’s like some weird Shakespearean drama … I’m seeing a tableau of a long dining table with Tiller set out like a Christmas goose, with Sully, Amanda, et al, bloody dining on him, arms red up to the elbows, blood dripping off chins, offering up blanket condemnation of everyone of their enemies BUT the murderer between mouthfuls and belching.

  190. The difference is that he smacks them with the ban stick if they cross the line.

    Or disagree with him.

    If Jeff had such a registration scheme, your ass would be gone. Food for thought, that.

  191. Some asshole’s solution is fascism. Lovely.

    Rush Limbaugh is the Root Cause!

    Are you creating a hostile work environment for me, some asshole?

  192. Nishi,

    Senisible folks aren’t gleeful at the possibility of their benefit from a tragedy such as this…

    We don’t know each other, but if you are as erudite and intellectual as you claim, it’s a no brainer that what you are doing is wrong…

    Argue the merits please, and lose the sophmoric schoolyard-esque taunts…

    I mean, no one here is blaming the death of the woman in Chicago, whose garage door mysteriously closed on her neck, on O! or the south side African villiage; ‘cuz, you know, they are geographically in the same place and are the de-facto rulers of the same…

  193. Wow! The trolls en masse. And all using this assassination as a cover to scream “WINGNUT TERRORISM!”

    Do we even know about the person in custody yet? Seems the “jump to conclusions” train has left the station.

    My condolences to the doctor’s family.

  194. Randall Terry isn’t the head of the Operation Rescue thinger. You need a link? I guess I could find one.

  195. I mean, who knows. Billy Ayers may have been involved in that lady’s death in Chicago…

    Or Blago, or Burris, or Durbin, Or Jeese J, or Jesse J Jr…

    It was all a grand left wing conspiracy!

    See how easy that is..?

  196. The MSM is going to glue Roeder onto the pro-life life ugly on an ape.

    should make their rating tank faster if that’s possible. ape thing is the RACIST

  197. Someone should inform Some Asshole that the preferred nomenclature is now “man caused disaster.” It’s an understandable slip up amid the left’s moment of high excitement over the guy’s death, but after the orgasm dissipates he should know that his verbage does not help Michelle’s children.

  198. The trolls are amusing when they think they’re unfairly banned for expressing different opinions, then fantasize about shooting talk radio people in the face. They’re even funnier when they feel that they’re threatened, then fantasize about fascist police state tactics to deal with that old problematic freedom of speech stuff.

    Only, they’re very violently mentally ill.

  199. So, nishit admits that it is not fair, but states how she will really really really enjoy seeing it happen. I do not want to live in a world run by her ilk.

  200. But Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry, who is no longer affiliated with the group…*

    there is a link for you, nishi.

    Always take a big bite it’s such a gorgeous sight
    to see you eat in the middle of the night
    You can never get enough
    enough of this stuff

    but me I think the smearing the Christians thing has gotten stale and it’s kind of indecent. These ones you keep pointing at are just wackos. Everyone knows that and all the right has to do is to make this wacko look like a wacko and then he’s just a wacko. Wackos don’t represent. That’s why they’re wackos.

  201. Oh, and what does SSM have to do with all this..?

    And what justifies the insane reach that is your attempt to equate the Christian community with the Islamo-fascists..?

    On the Arab street, terrorism is romanticized…Conversely, among mainstream Christians killing is eschewed…

    There are no charismatic priests trying to convince youths to kill abortionists; unlike the radical Mullahs, Sheiks, and Imamas of islam…

    Why are you being so disingenuous..?

  202. this sounds like the w. german policeman who was a stasi agent who shot a moonbat. moonbats went wild

  203. Forgetting the Lakers closed out the Nuggets already, at @190? Priceless. Wow, I’m an idiot.

  204. I think the smearing the Christians thing has gotten stale and it’s kind of indecent.

    Its the latest badge of authenticity for the left, to say “Aren’t Christians wierd?” and get applause. It shows they are daring and OUTLAW by defying the culture… of 50 years ago. With people who turn the other cheek and won’t blow your house up or cut your head off.

  205. i think he’s an agent provocateur on the george soros payroll

  206. I hope pw.com is keeping their server logs

    yes your stupidity should be recorded

  207. “The MSM is going to glue Roeder onto the pro-life life ugly on an ape.”

    This is true.

    What is also true from long past experience is that there will be gun-control laws proposed with this event used as a reason. Considering this Congress and President they will pass and be signed.

    Obama needs and wants to take a whack at the 2nd amendment. This, with MSM help, can be played as a domestic terror crisis, one that will not be wasted.

  208. You know, it’s really awful the way I’m going to enjoy deleting some asshole’s and nishi’s comments, but that’s the way I roll. Also, it makes Charles Johnson so manly.

  209. I think they are valuable comments what aptly reflect the politics of Barack Obama’s America.

  210. Please do Dan. This lying bullshit about loving v virginia and brown v board is sickening.

  211. So, nishit admits that it is not fair, but states how she will really really really enjoy seeing it happen. I do not want to live in a world run by her ilk.

    This is nothing we didn’t already know about her. Ignore her. Forcefully ignore her.

  212. how’s come O! didn’t take the a train last night?

  213. While you’re at it pull down that piece of shit at 22 calling itself “My Name”.

  214. Maybe you’ll come to regret using your real name on this rat infested shit-site.

    i think some asshole has an “O! reeducation camp™” franchise.

  215. So, nishit admits that it is not fair, but states how she will really really really enjoy seeing it happen.

    It’s a corollary to morality by poll numbers, which is the left in a nutshell: When you have no definable principle, you just go for that 51%. Ask nuggie to lay out a foundational structure and you’ll get crickets. Ditto thor and all the other ‘bat trolls. Pure opportunism, complete deceit.

    And if you point this out? ZOOM! FOUL! No point!

    They bask in it. They’re the one-celled organisms of ethics.

  216. Rob Crawford speaks the truth. There are people trying to contribute here, and there are those who are not.

  217. firefox plugin default my page on links

  218. if tiller’s killers is a wingnut thing then mao, stalin, pol pot, hitler is a moonbat thing and “yea” free mumia

  219. but it also looks like within a half-hour of this happening something like 90% of the right side of the blogosphere had a curious compulsion to find out what Andrew Sullivan thought about it. I don’t get that. It’s weird.

  220. from The Corner

    Whoever murdered George Tiller has done a gravely wicked thing. The evil of this action is in no way diminished by the blood George Tiller had on his own hands. No private individual had the right to execute judgment against him. We are a nation of laws. Lawless violence breeds only more lawless violence. Rightly or wrongly, George Tilller was acquitted by a jury of his peers. “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord.” For the sake of justice and right, the perpetrator of this evil deed must be prosecuted, convicted, and punished. By word and deed, let us teach that violence against abortionists is not the answer to the violence of abortion. Every human life is precious. George Tiller’s life was precious. We do not teach the wrongness of taking human life by wrongfully taking a human life. Let our “weapons” in the fight to defend the lives of abortion’s tiny victims, be chaste weapons of the spirit.

    — Robert P. George is McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University.

  221. Yes, exactly, what Robert P. George said. Thanks, Darleen.

  222. newrouter-

    riding a bike too much can make you a ridgeling

    How can anyone possibly be a “ridgeling” after they have been ‘gelded’? (Charles Johnson obviously ‘lost’ his balls sometime in 2007.)

    BTW, there has been only 2 ‘nutless wonders’ to win the Belmont Stakes since 1913. (Creme Fraiche in 1985 and Rags to Riches in 2007)- I’ll surely be betting against Mine That Bird next Saturday.

  223. I will always be able to stand by what I write with a clear conscience…

    And, we will only have to fear the stifling of political speech if your dear leader gets his way, some asshole…

    By the way, I will complement you on your aptky chosen ananymos internet superman nom-de-clavier…

    You are really doing your best to live up to it…

    I speak my mind with unflinching hesitation, as a proud former member of our nations armed forces, who protected your right to speak yours as well…

    Although an insufferable ass such as yourself would have been subject to a seriously deserved soap-in-the-sock party back in my day…

  224. david frum and the right wing ridgelings

  225. President Barack Obama said he was “shocked and outraged” by the murder. “However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence,” he said.

    This from the cocksucker who just dropped charges against people what brandished a deadly weapon at a polling site.

  226. Darleen,
    That’s basically what I said up-thread…

    But not so eloquently nor with as much gravitas…

  227. George Tiller’s life was precious.

    was stalin’s life precious? mao’s? jim jones?

  228. newrouter,

    Knock Knock!

  229. “However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence,” he said.

    sucking brains out of feti is what exactly?

  230. Yeah, what if?

    It would be a revenge killing, perhaps a crime of passion, and not terrorism by any stretch of the imagination. Does that clear it up for you, meya?

  231. I agree hf,

    This cocksucking poseur President had his own cadre of brownshirts, both electronic and otherwise, that were ready at a moments notice to “get in the face” of anyone that disagreed with their political positions…

    Not disagree rheyorically, but to “GET IN THEIR FACE“…

    And he has the nerve to speak about violence in the name of a personally held ideology…

    He’s a hypocritical, shallow, callow, perpetratin’ piece of shit…

    I HOPE HE FAILS; FOR THE GOOD OF OUR NATION!

  232. I think someone needs to give “asshole’s” Daddy a call.

  233. From, Gateway Pundit

    National & World Calendar Monday, April 29, 1996 Here is a list of national and foreign events for this week compiled by the Associated Press:

    “May 2nd 1996
    Topeka, Kan. – Preliminary hearing for Scott Roeder, Freemen member charged with possessing bomb parts.

  234. hahaha!

    Darleen cites George??
    A knuckledragging bible thumper that believes in ensoulment!!!!!
    hahaha, go back to the Dark Ages!

  235. I second the motion to reaffirm the distilled essence of dipshit what is our current president. Fuck the little babies we’ll just stuff them in a goddamn closet. Fuck you bambi, shut your stupid fucking mouth and go back to destroying the car industry.

  236. And most especially of all fuck the dirty greasy union thugs.

  237. *Stress is relieved*

  238. What amazing idiocy. Darleen quotes someone (I’ve never heard of him before) who makes a strong statement against anti-abortion vigilantism and Nishi… immediately impugns him.

    Wow. Just wow.

  239. They can knock, some asshole, s much as they wish…

    Indeed, they know where I live; it’s part and parcel of having security clearances…

    I’ve had my door knocked many times in the night throughout the years; awoken to the klaxon’s call…

    But never in the shame you gleefully insinuate; and never shall that be…

    I don’t hide like yourself, behind the cowards curtain of anonymity, mouthing any weak justifications…

    I’ve been in harms way and put it on the line, protecting the right of all to speak, regardless of how boorish your behavior…

    My opinions will stand the test of reason, and the justification of belief and integrity; they are not the sophmoric taunts of an imbicile or some asshole such as yourself…

    Be gone, twit. Do another bong hit, have another wank, play another game, or simply mouth another incoherent statement. You are not serious, your opinion not considered, nor are you honorable…

    Come back when you have the courage to use your real name, you pusillanimous putz…

  240. For real though Nishi don’t you have some brown people to sterilize you wretched eugenicist you? You can start with yourself.

  241. Here you go bh.

  242. newrouter — If you do not understand the doctrine that underlies the statement by Robert P. George, kindly go fuck yourself.

    Thank you.

  243. Terrorism is verbotten meya.

  244. hahaha!

    Darleen cites George??
    A knuckledragging bible thumper that believes in ensoulment!!!!!
    hahaha, go back to the Dark Ages!

    Why don’t you just say what it is you disagree with from the text? You can’t possibly think that an epic weirdo like yourself can make her point with generic scorn and ridicule of someone.

  245. Thanks, sdferr.

  246. oh, bh, in case you need help. from sdferr’s link:

    Professor George is a member of the President’s Council on Bioethics</blockquote?

    that’s what set her off. WHY DOES HE HATE SCIENCEISM!??

  247. Some knuckledragger, huh?

  248. You can’t possibly think that an epic weirdo like yourself can make her point with generic scorn and ridicule of someone.

    um, you aren’t very familiar with her are you?

    alright, alright, I’ll quit now.

  249. Heh, Maggie, yes, Nishi must stop him before he philosophizes again.

    Yeah, sdferr, knuckledragger wasn’t the first thought that came to mind.

  250. Here’s the beauty of this whole thing

    Hush, PudgeO, before I call up your Dad.

  251. What amazing idiocy. Darleen quotes someone (I’ve never heard of him before) who makes a strong statement against anti-abortion vigilantism and Nishi… immediately impugns him.

    Nishi — like so many of the Obamatons — is a reflexive fascist.

    Here’s what I don’t understand about most of the commentors here — how many of you would try to argue with a Stormfronter or other out-and-out neo-Nazi? Would you expect a for-real, Jew-hating, Hitler-heiling, goose-stepping, true believer in the “master race” to argue in good faith? Would you expect someone like that to come here with the least bit intent of learning anything? Or would you suspect them of coming here specifically to start a fight?

    If you wouldn’t expect good faith arguments, good will, and comity from such a person, why do you expect it from nishi, whor, markg8, etc?

  252. Yeah, sdferr, knuckledragger wasn’t the first thought that came to mind.

    well, obviously, you aren’t sciencey enough.

    blargh, I think I’m gonna go back to the piano… it’s been neglected lately.

  253. the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

    ah the statist criminalizes everything

  254. If you wouldn’t expect good faith arguments, good will, and comity from such a person, why do you expect it from nishi, whor, markg8, etc?

    Human weakness I suppose. I catch your point though.

    I just found it to be one of the stupidest things I’ve come across in awhile. And, this is coming from the guy who was hoping to catch a game 7 tonight simply because the Tivo told him so.

  255. If you do not understand the doctrine that underlies the statement by Robert P. George, kindly go fuck yourself.

    i believe some asshole are born evil “by their action ye shall know thee”

  256. mao at 9 months and mao @ 60 are different

  257. i believe some asshole are born evil “by their action ye shall know thee”

    And, given your apparent willingness to see murder done for your aims, what distinguishes you from them?

  258. If you do not understand the doctrine that underlies the statement by Robert P. George, kindly go fuck yourself.

    and no i won’t bow down to princeton authority

  259. Hey, asshole, you think I’m kidding about calling your Dad?

    Knock Knock!

  260. “ah the statist criminalizes everything”

    That definition was added in the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT) Act of 2001.

  261. Here’s the beauty of this whole thing –
    The fringe RW elements have been empowered, they are vocal, and they are fucking nuttier than a shithouse rat. The moderates will be unable to control the crazy shit that comes out of their mouths. All the media will have to do is ring up any random fuckhead blogger and it will shock and amaze mainstream America. The GOP will be forced to deal with these elements and they will revolt. Poof, the GOP is no more. I. Can’t. Wait.

    That’s funny. And yet here I sit, a non-religious, pro-choice NYC resident and all I wanna do is beat on you like a little bitchboy.

  262. And, given your apparent willingness to see murder done for your aims, what distinguishes you from them?

    me i’m libertarian: one asshole kills another asshole. i don’t care about either asshole.

  263. This would be the 4th abortion doctor killed since 1993. Two killers are living in prisons; the 3rd was executed in Florida.

    I’ll bet that if all those killers were duly executed, and quickly, this latest killing might not have happened.

  264. mao at 9 months and mao @ 60 are different

    Gunning either of them down in the middle of the street is equally wrong.

    Listen, do you want to live in a civilized nation or someplace like Somalia?

  265. and no i won’t bow down to princeton authority

    That philosophy has its roots in Catholicism, not Princeton.

    Buh-bye, though. I’m sick of anyone who is even neutral on this.

  266. i should cry about a victim whose job it is to suck babies brains out or some asshole who may be on the far left payroll or is just a loser. like kissinger i hope they both lose

  267. Biden (D-DE): Yea
    Clinton (D-NY): Yea
    Kennedy (D-MA): Yea
    Kerry (D-MA): Yea
    Leahy (D-VT): Yea
    Every other Democrat except Feingold: Yea
    Meya: go fuck yourself.

    Srsly.

    I mean, it should be clear by now that no one else is ever going to do it.

  268. Someone needs to wipe some asshole somewhere.

    Got Charmin?

  269. SBP, I think you are a joke.

    Just wait for the knock.

    Knock Knock!

  270. Buh-bye, though. I’m sick of anyone who is even neutral on this.

    neutral on 2 evils colliding?

  271. If some deranged lefty shot John Yoo to death, you’d see the same kind of celebration that some retarded right-wingers are engaged in, times ten, on the lefty blogs.

  272. No thanks. Not even if you offer to have TrannyCrazyO join in.

  273. Maybe if you offer to have “her” blow your Dad he won’t kick you out of the house again, though.

  274. If some deranged lefty shot John Yoo to death, you’d see the same kind of celebration that some retarded right-wingers are engaged in, times ten, on the lefty blogs.

    They celebrated the idea of Bush being murdered.

  275. What apparently now its controversial that the Patriot act is ‘statist’?

  276. Hey newrouter, put your money where your mouth is and join the Army of God.

    some asshole are you a supporter of Hezboallah?

  277. What’s not controversial, SFAG, is that you are a spinning, crapweaseling liar.

    Now, go fuck yourself. Or maybe see if PudgeO, Nishbot, and TrannyCrazyO are up for a foursome.

  278. Respectfully disagree.

    With what, meya?

  279. newrouter

    not only do you not “get it” but you are bordering on anti-Americanism.

    OJ Simpson got away with a double murder, but that never ever would excuse someone from assassinating him.

    Prostitutes get raped, gangbangers get murdered in ambush and ALL deserve justice in American courts.

    Your wish to be “empathetic” and look at the victim’s status as an extenuating circumstance is right up Sotomayer’s alley and is anathema to American jurisprudence.

  280. Rob Crawford

    the killer who killed a killer sucks

  281. Comment by Daryl Herbert on 5/31 @ 8:24 pm #

    Oh my, projection! Cuz like just where was the “celebrating” on non-leftist blogs when the enviro-terrorists were torching new houses, breaking into university labs, terrorising professors and their families?

  282. OJ Simpson got away with a double murder, but that never ever would excuse someone from assassinating him.

    sontomayor will make it easier because now justice isn’t blind. i like how the name Kathleen Sebelius governor of kansas isn’t mentioned here. she supported Tiller

  283. No, I’d rather watch you trying to log on from the homeless shelter after Daddy kicks your ass out again.

    Knock knock!

  284. The nuts like newrouter are empowered, baby. You can’t shut them up and they are the base. Rush makes millions off of idiots like him and he sure as shit won’t turn off that spigot. G’luck.

    Really? Ask Markos “Screw Them” Zuniga about that.

  285. The nuts like newrouter are empowered, baby

    so i find fault with the alleged(media like the allege term and also suspected) killer and i find the victim a piece of shit. far right wing stuff. most of america hates me because i’m beautiful.

  286. Paid for with unemployment.

    Snicker.

  287. This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. Watch this conversation (sans the “fuck you”s) played out in the media in the coming weeks. The nuts like newrouter are empowered, baby. You can’t shut them up and they are the base. Rush makes millions off of idiots like him and he sure as shit won’t turn off that spigot. G’luck.

    That doesn’t really make any sense because while newrouter can be a jabbering idiot he has moments of clarity. You don’t. Anyone dispassionately reading this thread would be a whole lot more creeped out by some half-wit named “some asshole” who is not only giddy at the opportunities a tragic death have provided but would see you as someone who needs multiple punches in the face. Hasn’t being a loser your whole life taught you anything about how people react to you?

  288. pw.com

    Oh, and this isn’t pw.com, genius.

  289. Earlier this month, KS Archbishop Joseph Naumann wrote an open letter to Sebelius asking her not to receive communion due to her pro-abortion stance. He stated Sebelius indicated she felt resigned to support abortion: “The governor has spoken to me on more than one occasion about her obligation to uphold state and federal laws and court decisions.”

    Sebelius has an odd way of living out her personally-pro-life-but-obligated-to-be-pro-abort position.

    Yesterday Operation Rescue released photos taken at a party hosted by Sebelius on April 9, 2007, for infamous late-term abortionist George Tiller and staff at the governor’s mansion. OR stated its source said the party was “exclusively in Tiller’s honor.”…

    Sebelius responded that Tiller had won the dinner by outbidding all others at a Greater KS City Women’s Political Caucus auction, also indicating her hands were clean:

    And it is not something that I invite the bidder to bid. It’s not something that I choose the guests. It’s been a tradition… for a variety of groups whose causes I support: We offer an opportunity to come to lunch at Cedar Crest, come to dinner at Cedar Crest. The expenses are reimbursed, and this just happened to be one of them.

    One problem is at the time Tiller was under criminal investigation. Those particular charges were later dropped but new charges added, meaning Tiller is still under criminal investigation.

    ?

  290. Why don’t you just say what it is you disagree with from the text?

    Darleen quotes someone… and ['zono] immediately impugns him.

    Griefer:

    A griefer is a player who plays a computer game in order to irritate and harass other players, rather than in pursuit of game objectives.

    The term is also used to mean a person who uses the internet to cause distress to others as a prank.

    Self-described, with pride.

  291. The FBI loves pliable fools, maybe you’ll agree to be their informant!

    how do you know i’m not fbi or cia?

  292. Yeah, newrouter. Sure you are, big guy. You are a very important man.

  293. while newrouter can be a jabbering idiot

    it is true

  294. Yeah, newrouter. Sure you are, big guy.

    thank you some asshole information received

  295. Pingback: Abortion Dr. George Tiller Gunned Down, Suspect In Custody « Nice Deb

  296. Full strength of the law against the killer. I am no fan of Tiller, and disagreed with his position, but killing him was absolutely wrong. On every level.

  297. Got a garage apartment in La Jolla, baby. Paid for with unemployment. Doing fine.

    Enjoy it while you can.

  298. “It was no more or less an act of political assassination than any of the bombings advocated by Bill Ayers.”

    Bullcrap. Ayers never intended to kill anybody, and he didn’t. Destruction of property equals taking a life? Are you nuts?

    “It was no more or less a violation of civil rights than the New Black Panther polling intimidation”

    Even more ridiculous. Swaggering and acting intimidating in front of a polling place is the same as murder? IS this a joke or something?

  299. You’re telling us all we need to know anyway, SA.

  300. I find what Tiller did for a living disturbing and unethical. But we are either a nation of laws or we aren’t. I for one would rather answer to the law, which at least is impartial, than to the whimsy of reprehensible cretins like the trolls who post here.

    Aside from that, I don’t give a shit about this. A nut shot a barbarian. One’s gone, the other will never see the light of day again. I’ll sleep that much easier tonight.

    As far as the statist’s using this as ammunition against against our liberty, so what. If it isn’t this it will be some other damn thing, and this really isn’t a hill worth dying on.

  301. Swaggering and acting intimidating in front of a polling place is the same as murder? IS this a joke or something?

    tell it to bull conner demorat

  302. Bullcrap. Ayers never intended to kill anybody, and he didn’t. Destruction of property equals taking a life? Are you nuts?

    As I recall, the bomb that deep-sixed Billy’s squeeze was meant for a military social club during a particularly well-attended dance.

    Care to revise and extend your remarks?

  303. JEFF CAN WE PLEASE GET BETTER MOONBATS? NO MORE BOX OF ROCKS!

  304. You need tell us nothing.

    We already know everything about you.

  305. CT

    Your reading comp is amazing. Jeffersonian took care of the first part, this is the second

    “It was no more or less a violation of civil rights than the New Black Panther polling intimidation”

    Even more ridiculous. Swaggering and acting intimidating in front of a polling place is the same as murder?

    You SHOULD note that the murderer may be looking at multiple charges and “violation of civil rights” is a charge separate from the capital murder charge, especially as I am willing to bet the Feds will come into Kansas and take jurisdiction.

  306. Ayers never intended to kill anybody, and he didn’t.

    Liar.

  307. You guys are nuts to think I’d tell you anything at all about me.

    I already know everything about you.

  308. Why yes, yes it was:

    That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, “tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.”

    In fact, Ayers was a founder of the Weatherman terror group and he defined its purpose as carrying out murder. Again, from Discover the Networks:

    Characterizing Weatherman as “an American Red Army,” Ayers summed up the organization’s ideology as follows: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents.”

    I’m heartened that such fine men are in our public education system.

  309. so the O! has no problems killing babies. the O!’s Department of Health and Human Services kathleen Sebelius is a Tiller fan. and O! says he doesn’t want his daughters punished with a baby” ”

    which roman dictator pre-Christian is O!?

  310. Newrouter, the man is dead now. He’s answering to a higher power for his actions. Let it go.

  311. Geez, I walk away for an hour and someone threw a molotov through the window. O, and fuck the dirty union thugs what some asshole aspires one day to become.

  312. You know…if I was going to pick an online enemy, dicentra, it simply wouldn’t be the Sword of Truth, Charles Johnson.

    I’m pretty sure this made sense before they came in and swept up after the horses.

  313. Newrouter, the man is dead now. He’s answering to a higher power for his actions. Let it go.

    anyone have any dead baby jokes?

  314. Newrouter, the man is dead now. He’s answering to a higher power for his actions. Let it go.

    please jews he’s dead now let my Auschwitz go

  315. obama care: is killing old folks by non treatment genocide?

  316. And now for a mild palate-cleanser:

    How’s that Obama vote workin’ out for ya?

    Buy the tee-shirt! Cheese-off a leftie!

  317. Nobody here thinks this issue is funny or trivial, newrouter. You’re angry, and no wonder. But what are you going to do about it? You can’t shoot people just because you feel like it. The law may suck, but that won’t change by taking it out on the reptiles who thrive under it. Work to change the law, because without the law we’re just a mob.

  318. The law may suck, but that won’t change by taking it out on the reptiles who thrive under it. Work to change the law, because without the law we’re just a mob.

    Good idea! Now what law are we working to change?

  319. WTF?

  320. Was that for me, Sam? If so, since you said “Work to change the law…” I’m asking which law it is we’re to lobby our legislators to change. Can you help out here?

  321. We were talking about some asshole who performed late-term abortions, right? Or did I wander into some other thread?

  322. meya-

    Yeah, what if?

    I know a woman who fell down the stairs, and “broke her water” while pregnant with ‘the child’ in Cresson, PA. in 1964.

    Even the Catholic hospital she was taken to (Mercy Hospital, Altoona, PA) was reccommending an “abortion” (due to “health of the mother”- a ruptured large intestine/perotonitis). The child’s mother said no.

    So, ‘the child’ was “born” at 30 weeks gestation… in 1964.

    ‘The child’ weighed 4 lbs 2 oz. at birth- in 1964. (both lungs were collapsed at birth- ‘the child’ spent 34 days in an ‘incubator’).

    The attending doctor said ‘the child’ would likely be ‘retarded’ due to oxygen deprivation during delivery…

    Released from the incubator when the lungs had developed after 37 days, ‘the child’ had lost weight-down to 3 lbs 5oz –6 weeks after his birth.

    What if?
    ——————————————

    ‘The child’ got a 35(overall) on the ACT in 1980– what did you score?

  323. Clearly Sam wants to change the murder statutes to allow private citizens to justifiably kill abortionists.

  324. In the immortal words of the T-101, “Fuck you, asshole”.

  325. We were talking about some asshole who performed late-term abortions, right? Or did I wander into some other thread?

    You’re in the right place. I’m just wondering what “law” this is that needs changing.

  326. That was for asshole, not you, RTO. I was just saying that if newrouter doesn’t like the fact that late-term abortions are legal, he should work to change that law rather than inveigh against an already-dead barbarian.

  327. The [abortion] law may suck, [but] You can’t shoot [abortionists] just because you feel like it.

    Maybe?

  328. I was just saying that if newrouter doesn’t like the fact that late-term abortions are legal, he should work to change that law rather than inveigh against an already-dead barbarian.

    We’re locked and loaded, ready to roll! Just point us in the right direction, Sam, and tell us what law we’re changing and we’ll be heating up those phone lines in the morning.

  329. In the immortal words of the T-101, “Fuck you, asshole”</i

    Not meaning to split hairs, but in Terminator 3 it was John Conners future which said that, to which the Governator replied “I am unable to comply.”

  330. Sandy, that waitress I was seeing lost her desire for me
    I spoke with her last night, she said she won’t set herself on fire for me anymore
    She worked that joint under the boardwalk
    She was always the girl you saw bopping down the beach with the radio
    The kids say last night she was just like a star in one of ‘em cheap little seaside bars
    And I saw her parked with lover boy out on the Kokomo

  331. Not meaning to split hairs, but in Terminator 3 it was John Conners future which said that, to which the Governator replied “I am unable to comply.”

    Arnie said it to his landlord in #1.

  332. Charles Fucking Johnson

    ridgelings can no do

  333. Don’t work my last nerve, Jeffersonian. Newrouter is burning up the thread with his anger about this issue, and I threw in my two cents in regards to the role of the law in such matters. I normally only do technical writing, so perhaps I wasn’t expressing myself well. Give me a damn break, can’t ya?

  334. the circular firing line on the RW blogosphere after some nut kills an “abortionist”.

    funny that a discussion on a topic. easier to have the party line

  335. The nuts like newrouter are empowered, baby. You can’t shut them up and they are the base.

    We don’t have to shut them up, the Fairness Doctrine will do it for us.

  336. Don’t work my last nerve, Jeffersonian. Newrouter is burning up the thread with his anger about this issue, and I threw in my two cents in regards to the role of the law in such matters. I normally only do technical writing, so perhaps I wasn’t expressing myself well. Give me a damn break, can’t ya?

    Sorry, I’m trying to make a point, i.e. that there isn’t any law to change, so telling people to change the law is pointless.

  337. Newrouter is burning up the thread with his anger about this issue

    killed and killer be damned i be burning it up. you sir are THE WORSTER AMERIKKKAN evah

  338. 13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.

    yes here losers we know your gig

  339. Funny how this works. O! floats Sotaskank to avert our gaze from the Norks, now the 92% dirty socialist media will harp 80/20 on Tiller and the teh newfound awesomeness of GM, respectively. This will be 4 years of fucking national ADD.

  340. hehehe. This is just awesome and is occurring all over the wingnutosphere. Man, interesting times, indeed.

    It is awesome. A party that actually disagrees, fusses, fights and argues among themselves. I remember when the Democrats used to do that, too.

  341. We don’t have to shut them up, the Fairness Doctrine will do it for us.

    You’d better hope so or they will start shutting these places down.

    You really aren’t very bright at all, are you?

  342. He’s an unemployed and unemployable child who isn’t nearly as clever at covering his tracks as he thinks he is.

    Knock knock!

  343. Jeffersonian, I know very well that Roe-vs-Wade is bad law imposed by judicial fiat. And I know that it will be a long time before enough Originalists sit on the bench to make a change. But putting rounds into people who are following the law isn’t a great idea, and won’t bring that day any closer.

    And newrouter, if you knew me you wouldn’t say that.

  344. And BTW, asshole, be prepared to have your tiresome, childish “Knock Knock” drivel shoved up your ass with a candle on it everytime you post here. Grow the fuck up.

  345. doesn’t like the fact that late-term abortions are legal

    But they aren’t legal.

  346. Ah, that would be telling.

    Knock knock!

  347. Some asshole is the antiderivative of assclown by way of being openly fascist.

  348. Sorry, I’m trying to make a point, i.e. that there isn’t any law to change, so telling people to change the law is pointless

    Jeffersonian

    Abortion after viability CAN be outlawed by the state … it takes careful crafting of the wording and a lot of political muscle but it is not mooted by RvW.

  349. Knock knock!

    Who’s there?

  350. And newrouter, if you knew me you wouldn’t say that.

    say what exactly? clip and paste is only a mouse away

  351. There is common talk of a revolt, splitting the GOP, and purifying. And the fringe faction has quite a bit of traction, media attention, motivation, money, etc…

    the problem with Leftcultists is that they see everything through their own personal lens.

  352. Fair enough. Watch your six, proteinwisdom.com.

    is that you Gibbs?

  353. Knock knock!

    Who’s there?

    BOOBIES!

  354. But putting rounds into people who are following the law isn’t a great idea, and won’t bring that day any closer.

    “Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable.” – John F. Kennedy

  355. Hah. The intellectual giant asshole or whatever has dutifully peed on the floor, thus marking his terra.

  356. Darleen, I’m usually on board with what you write, but in this instance you appear to be scrambling in a panic to get ahead of the MSM and the liberals(but I repeat myself) condemnation of the entire political right that is surely coming. From your first comment in the other thread (I hope he gets the death penalty, yikes, how about a trial first!), to your blanket statement of anti-patriotism over newrouters lack of empathy for either character in this event, you have an air of someone worried that you are going to take heat for something, and you want to make damn sure no one can accomplish that.

    Yeah, vigilantism is a crime and murder should and will meet justice in this case, but please don’t go overboard in condemning those of us who find the victim an unsympathetic one. I want the shooter to get what he deserves too, but don’t make him more important than the other 1000 guys on trial for murder tomorrow.

    I mean really, ask yourself why you care more about the Tiller case than you do about this one. You aren’t in any way culpable for either. It isn’t as if the guy that shot Tiller was one of us, and we have to take responsibility for him.

    Being overwrought about Tiller will just play into the political opportunists hands.

  357. [I'm going to regret this, aren't I?]

    BOOBIES!

    BOOBIES WHO?

  358. router, I understand your anger and I sympathize. I just don’t think burning down the house is the answer. Does that make me the enemy?

  359. um. that’s the joke, dicentra. I.. can’t explain it. ask JD sometime.

  360. Abortion after viability CAN be outlawed by the state … it takes careful crafting of the wording and a lot of political muscle but it is not mooted by RvW.

    And if you want to change the law about pre-viable abortion?

  361. A 16 year old student-athlete just died from gunshot wounds at the hands of blood (maybe crips, who knows) in Asbury Park, NJ. Is that terrorism?

  362. “Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable.” – John F. Kennedy

    It’s a valid point, Jeffersonian, and I don’t really disagree. I just don’t know how much “violent change” we can undergo and still remain a free nation.

  363. 388.

    Depends on who wins.

  364. It’s a valid point, Jeffersonian, and I don’t really disagree. I just don’t know how much “violent change” we can undergo and still remain a free nation.

    I agree, Sam, and I’d extend that animadversion to judge-made law. It didn’t work out so well in Dred Scott’s case, either.

  365. My man is stuttering here. Please, assman, elaborate on how the bloods, crips and MS-13 differ from stormfront et al. Should we proceed to raid these groups as well?

  366. Or the wise Latino gangs targeting blacks in the workers paradise of California.

  367. No arguement there, Jeffersonian.

  368. router, I understand your anger

    ain’t no anger here one asshole killed another asshole on to some asshole

  369. Please, assman, elaborate on how the bloods, crips and MS-13 differ from stormfront et al.

    They’ve got better music and hotter bitchez.

  370. There is common talk of a revolt, splitting the GOP, and purifying.

    Sweet, soma.

    –My dog has no nose.
    –How does he smell?

    Blue.

  371. “Without elaborating, Stolz said investigators will be looking into the Internet comments because the discussion could bear on public safety.”

    oh my fun times with the kkkoskids

  372. Me: I intend to threaten public safety.

    Gov’t: How and why?

    Me: By making internet comments threatening public safety.

  373. Hah. My man don’t get teh nuance here.

  374. Wait, what do I deserve precisely? An audit? Yea those cars are sick.

  375. No arguement there, Jeffersonian.

    Thanks, Sam, and my apologies if I antagonized you before.

    What a relative few realize is that before Roe, abortion was legal in much of the nation. Overturn Roe, and it does not mean abortion will be illegal, it means that states will govern the practice (as they did, and should). IMHO, the Republicans’ biggest failing on this issue is not making this clear to the electorate.

  376. It was a group that killed Tiller?

  377. Is asshole a sock-puppet someone is using to make lefties look like douchebags? If so, buddy, you’re overdoing it.

  378. IMHO, the Republicans’ biggest failing on this issue is not making this clear to the electorate.

    There, at least, is something to move forward with. In the Navy, the rule is that problems should be solved as close to the deckplate as possible. Not a bad idea for government, either.

  379. If you are too stupid to figure out the difference between gangs fighting over territory and groups who kill over political differences

    vacation now in afghanistan or chechnya

  380. “And if you want to change the law about pre-viable abortion?”

    vote for presidents that will nominate judges oriented towards that result.

  381. You’re going to find very few people who willing to equate Stormfront to the Crips and the Bloods in the coming days. It is going to be a bloodbath, honestly. I’d keep my glib comments to myself until AFTER the purges, comrade. If you make it that far.

    Whoda thunk Billy Ayers would be posting at PW?

  382. You guys will reap the whirlwind. Good times.

    It truly takes a bug-like intellect to conflate a few peoples’lack of empathy for a murder victim with advocacy of murder. It’s in bad taste to comment on where you feel someone falls on a hierarchy of who merits sympathy, and anyone who feels compelled to verbalize such a thing is a simpleton. But the left is doing the real dancing on his grave. It’s the kind of dishonesty the left excels at even if you’re too stupid to be any good at it.

  383. Comment by lee on 5/31 @ 10:32 pm #

    Huh? First off I was precise in my wording … I hope the murderer gets the death penality. If the person they arrested didn’t do it, then I would expect that person be let go and the actual murderer caught, tried, convicted and executed. Premeditated murder is a capital offense and I have always supported the death penalty.

    Also.. it is newrouter who believes if the victim is not pure maybe that should cut slack for the perp. I reject that out of hand. Lady Justice is blindfolded for a reason and the law concerns the instant act, not the class/race/gender of the parties involved.

    Please remember where I come from … ten years working in the DA Office and now a Supervisor in Probation. As much as individuals we can look at the circumstances and make private judgments (pox on both houses!), in the public square private prejudices have to be put aside and the law served.

    The hallmark of civilization is the compact citizens make with their peers … that a government be instituted and individuals give up using violence and force to settle disputes … disputes will be settled in courts of law where impartial judges and juries that are vetted and sworn to put aside all personal biases and emotions (have you been a juror? have you had jury instructions read to you?) weigh the facts and apply the law.

    Tiller was an indecent human being but that doesn’t give any individual license to assault/threaten/murder him. Period.

  384. vote for presidents that will nominate judges oriented towards that result.

    Judges make law? Is that you, Sonia?

  385. *sigh*

    Sounds like a good week to confine myself to Cake Wrecks, LOLcats, and Pearls Before Swine.

  386. I’d keep my glib comments to myself until AFTER the purges, comrade.

    how many to kill? billy ayers says 25 mil what say you?

  387. B Moe,

    This is quite a bit more significant, don’t you think. There is common talk of a revolt, splitting the GOP, and purifying. And the fringe faction has quite a bit of traction, media attention, motivation, money, etc…

    I wouldn’t know, I don’t follow progressive blogs so much.

  388. You said it much better than I did, Darleen.

  389. Heh. “Shutup winger.” He says. I won’t shed a fucking tear over Tiller nor the scumbag who shot him. There will be nary a word equating gangs, neo-nazis and militant pro-lifers. Thought experiments demonstrating how morally bankrupt the left is, though, are quite interesting. It won’t matter much after Baracky and his merry band of socialist dipshits ruin the country via the coming double dip, nay, triple dip perhaps recession. At that point the GOP will be back in power and still be a bit confused how they got there. Never underestimate the incompetence of Democrats.

  390. Also.. it is newrouter who believes if the victim is not pure maybe that should cut slack for the perp.

    how many times do i have to say that if one asshole kills another asshole that i don’t care about assholes. free mumia and tiny tim

  391. Comment by some asshole on 5/31 @ 10:43 pm

    Actually, there is very little difference. They are both criminal conspiracies.

    Just how much experience do you have in gang intervention or enforcement, hmmm?

  392. *sigh*

    Sounds like a good week to confine myself to Cake Wrecks, LOLcats, and Pearls Before Swine.

    prolly. to start you off here’s a kitten what needs a name before Wednesday.

  393. At that point the GOP will be back in power and still be a bit confused how they got there. Never underestimate the incompetence of Democrats.

    There’s no hope then. It was through Republican incompetence that Democrats ended up in power, scratching their heads and staring in confusion.

  394. ChryslerTiller was an indecent corporationhuman being but that doesn’t give any individual license to assault/threaten/murder him. Period.

    ask O!

  395. you know this so called rule of law is a scam these days ask the bond holders. fuck ask the secretary of the treasury

  396. ask sotomanure

  397. or axs for you ebonics pods

  398. Hey did ya’ll Marxist gets the new uniforms in yet? I think maybe Hugo Boss is designing them and brownshirts aren’t exactly apropos, so maybe a nice argyle sweater vest for the officers, with horn rims of course, and a rustic polo for enlisted drones. Obama vil make you vork. For ze good of the volk! Lebensraum for the chosen people!

  399. Almost all Latino Gangs in the Southwest, especially California are controlled by the Mexican Mafia – which is also a powerful prison gang in CA’s state prisons (and 11% of the prisoners – approx 19,000 – are illegal aliens)

    Now, how does the law regards gangbangers? And racketeers

    Mexican Mafia leader sentenced to life in prison

    FEDERAL COURT: A leader of the Mexican Mafia prison gang was sentenced in federal court yesterday to life in prison without the possibility of parole, authorities said.

    Salvador Perez, 31, pleaded guilty in October 2007 to racketeering conspiracy charges involving the Mexican Mafia. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Dana M. Sabraw, said U.S. Attorney Karen P. Hewitt.

    In the plea, Perez admitted to participating in the June 2002 murder of inmate Jabila Barragan at a state prison in Susanville. He also acknowledged that the Mexican Mafia is engaged in numerous criminal acts including murder, attempted murder, drug sales, robbery and money laundering, Hewitt said in a prepared statement.

    The racketeering charges stemmed from a lengthy investigation by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies in San Diego. The probe targeted Latino street gangs that have ties to the Mexican Mafia.

    Of the 35 people arrested, Perez was the last to be sentenced, Hewitt said. –S.S.

  400. He still doesn’t get it. Sort of like how it took the left 3+ weeks and an innumerable amount of bong hits to figure out what the tea parties were about. And now we’re prostrate before China.

  401. Only an idiot would think that since two groups are charged with racketeering, they must be equivalent.

    “go ask ACORN she’s ten feet tall”

    ?

  402. Darleen, sorry if you are offended that some of us don’t find the victim sympathetic, but I don’t think anyone said the perp should be cut slack.

    I find this kinda like that situation years ago where the woman (can’t remember her name) went to court and shot dead the guy who raped her young son. I thought she deserved to go to jail (not the death penalty, even though it was premeditated), but I didn’t feel sorry for the sick fuck she blew away.

    Those were my only points. Lack of empathy for the victim doesn’t equal sympathy for the perp, and sentencing to death before arraignment isn’t exactly good jurisprudence.

  403. Yea I think Hu Jintao is going to have some fun with Timmy Geits.

    Timmah: “No one is more concerned about the deficit than Obama.”

    Jintao: “Look you fucking retard, that shit might work on your idiot population, but if we don’t get our fucking money you’re gonna be a short a few islands.”

    Timmah: “Uh”

    Jintao: “Yes?”

    Timmah: “Balls”

  404. markg8 is spamming comments. He made the same exact statement over at Gateway Pundit. I’m going to guess he’ll show up on other blogs pasting the same thing in.

    Wasn’t he the one who was saying something about destroying all who disagreed with him, and threatened to bash someone’s skull in?

  405. a kitten what needs a name

    MK, M? F?

  406. M. last I heard she was considering George, Frank or Fred. or something related to the dog, which is Sparky. I thought perhaps Fray D. Cat.

  407. i like how this will be discussed (and throw in the loser in pgh who killed cops) but the oakland scum who killed cops and his supporters who threw a party for the killing won’t. gotta have leftist priorities.

  408. geez i hope the perp gets some latina justus

  409. My link fu is weak, but the new WSJ editorials include a sterling piece by one George McGovern calling for a 50% reduction in the military budget. That fucking dipshit O! will take one look and say Oh. My. God. That’s IT. Fucking retards make me cuss plus also the whiskey but fuck welcome to the Mad Max world of assman and Sammy and their socialist dipshit. I think we need one of those midnight clocks till the next civil war with these fucking retards running shit.

  410. IF we’re gonna do post-modern wastelands maybe there are some enterprising young lads holed up at wherever Cheyenne mountain moved to what will launch a pre-emptive strike on Washington and we fuse reality with what my X-box tells me is inevitable vis-a-vis Fallout 3. Dipshit socialists.

  411. I thought Obama already said he was cutting 295 billion from defense. Wouldn’t that be close to half?

  412. M.

    “Lunchmeat”

  413. guinsPen,

    My condolences. Now you get your turn on home ice.

  414. Fucking retards make me cuss plus also the whiskey but fuck welcome to the Mad Max world of assman and Sammy and their socialist dipshit.

    When you sober up, look up socialist in a dictionary. I don’t think it means what I think you think it means.

  415. Cat looks like a Scot.
    Highlander.

  416. Maybe I missed that $295 billion in mistaking his other cuts. Just go to the WSJ opinion page and try not to vomit.

    “This figure is greater than the combined military budgets of the rest of the world. We could defend ourselves with an arms budget half that size. If we directed the $250 billion we could save annually into national health care, improved education, a better environment and restoring our infrastructure, the nation would be more secure, better employed and have a higher standard of life. Or the savings might be used for annual reductions in the national debt.”

  417. Sammy I think you’re a fucking uneducated piece of shit what couldn’t last 5 minutes with me in an intellectual or physical fight nor do you have any fucking clue what the Austrian School refers to besides your misplaced inclinations towards South Asian land masses.

  418. I linked to it in a comment a few days ago. Obama administration said they could save 295 billion from cutting “wasteful” programs. There was not a time frame specified so it may have been over more than 1 year.

  419. O ok. Seems about right. I think he can’t surrender outright so he has to do it stealthily.

  420. Sammy I think you’re a fucking uneducated piece of shit what couldn’t last 5 minutes with me in an intellectual or physical fight nor do you have any fucking clue what the Austrian School refers to besides your misplaced inclinations towards South Asian land masses.

    Wow. Nice word salad. Can I get that with a nice raspberry vinaigrette?

    Cheers.

  421. No I will not let you toss my salad you gaymo.

  422. My condolences.

    Thanks, gb.

    Evgeni Malkin, #71

    Russian Boo-Boos, they’ll break your heart.

  423. prolly. to start you off here’s a kitten what needs a name before Wednesday.

    Looks like a “Sport”, “Bud”, or “Mac” to me. One of those old school Rat Pack-style nicknames.

  424. The reasons why never matter in a case like this. At the end of the day in this case one man took the life of another for reasons other than self defense or accident. Murder cannot be justified under any circumstances.

    Horrible. My prayers go out to the family and friends of Dr. Tiller.

  425. Cat looks like a Scot.

    “Lunchmeat” “Pipes”

  426. to start you off here’s a kitten what needs a name before Wednesday.

    Dat kitteh looks like “Oscar” to me.

  427. There is part of me that hopes your Pens tie it up. I love a series that gets down to “We got to win this one” feeling in both teams. Not talking about fights but guys pushing their limits, knowing tonight is it.

  428. “Pipes”

    Only if you step on his tail.

  429. Murder cannot be justified under any circumstances.

    Oddly enough, anti-death penalty people agree with you, and Dr. Tiller did not.

  430. Dat kitteh looks like “Oscar” to me.

    oooooooh, you may be on to something. I shall submit it.

  431. “Oscar Mayer,” then.

  432. Sullivan and Little Green Footballs are all excited about the Christianists and also O’Reilly.

  433. no, we don’t gnaw on our kitty

  434. I see your point.

    “Goldfish?”

  435. “Goodnight.”

  436. There are way too many comments about this uninteresting shit. +1

    Did any of you guys kill anybody? No. So leave the disownments to the people who own the guy. You’re only you.

    I mean, I think blasting motherfuckers in the street is good (usually), as long as you walk right up to ‘em and do it yourself, and I’m not feeling any reflected-on-ness here, because someone else did this, and he knows if it was the right thing to do or not. Since he bailed after he did it, he probably knows it was shitty. He can have that, all to himself.

    Does any show of disownment stop you from being associated with him? No.

    So stop begging. Have some fucking dignity.

  437. Oddly enough, anti-death penalty people agree with you, and Dr. Tiller did not.

    I’m pro-life. I’m responsible for my own soul, just as Dr. Tillers was. I don’t believe what Dr. Tiller did was moral, but that doesn’t give me the right to kill him.

    I also don’t need to disown this act, because it has nothing to do with me. That said, I think it was a fucking evil act, so I’m going to say so.

  438. Shut up thor, you own your own evil. Stupid little fucking shit stirrer.

  439. thor:
    Still gnawing on the corpse, ghoulboy?

  440. Do I disavow it? No, I never vowed it.
    Do I disown it? No, I never owned it.

  441. NO ONE here has justified the murder, asscultist. What does “hope he gets the death penality” mean on your planet?

    Well, obviously it wasn’t IN ALL CAPS.

  442. the Unabomber was a right-wing conservative who loved him some Al Gore.

    Uh. no. The dude was a ludite and batshit crazy. Mostly batshit crazy.

  443. What will be fun about this I think is watching the Media cannonize Tiller as a “champion” of troubled women with “no one left to turn to.” He’ll be a folk hero and a martyr before we know it, and there will be a “George Tiller Help for Women Act” designed to outlaw opposition to abortion rights or somesuch at a point in the near future.

    I can’t wait for “George Tiller, the play.” Like they did with Matthew Shepherd. My alma mater put that play on.

    Remember when Morality plays were all the rage. Back in the middle ages?

  444. “Cat looks like a Scot.”

    Piper

  445. Murder cannot be justified under any circumstances.

    Oddly enough, anti-death penalty people agree with you, and Dr. Tiller did not.

    Who did Tiller murder?

  446. Sammy brutally murders unicorns and angels, for fun.

  447. Yo, Sambot:

    Can you tell us the scientific difference between a baby 1 picosecond after the head emerges from the vulva, and a fetus 1 picosecond before the head emerges from the vulva?

    Thanks.

    I don’t actually have a dog in this fight; I think both the “one cell is a human being” and the “not a human until it emerges from the vagina” viewpoints are wrong, which usually results in me getting yelled at from both sides.

    Oh, and to repeat what I said on the other thread: if the suspect in custody is found guilty, and if the circumstances are as reported, I hope he gets the death penalty.

  448. Who did Tiller murder?

    Anyone whose Mommy wanted him to.

  449. I just became a new uncle, to a beautiful little baby girl, Sydney, born 9 weeks premature. She is so tiny, and such a gift to our family.

  450. Can you tell us the scientific difference between a baby 1 picosecond after the head emerges from the vulva, and a fetus 1 picosecond before the head emerges from the vulva?

    I don’t think there is a scientific difference, it’s a legal difference.

    Who did Tiller murder?

    Anyone whose Mommy wanted him to.

    I don’t remember him killing toddlers.

    Ok, I’ll admit I’m being a facetious ass. Personally, I have little trouble with abortion in the first trimester, I can envision case-by-case instances where I could see it in the 2nd trimester, and at 3rd trimester delivery and adoption is the moral course of action.

    But that’s purely my own personal beliefs. At the end of the day, we, as society, are going to have to decide where we want to draw the legal lines. There aren’t any real “answers” out there that are going to decide it for us.

    Here’s an interesting thought experiment for those who think 1ms after conception is murder.

    You’re in the lobby of a fertility clinic. On the left side is a thermos with 100 “snowflakes” (frozen zygotes). On the right are two toddlers. A fire breaks out and you can only save the toddlers or the snowflakes. Which do you save?

  451. You save the unicorns and angels first, Sammy. Everyone knows that.

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  453. Which do you save?

    Exactly, Sammy.

    Now, here’s one for you:

    Did he or did he not go behind the rubber?

  454. You’re in the lobby of a fertility clinic. On the left side is Sambot. On the right are two toddlers. A fire breaks out and you can only save the toddlers or Sambot. Which do you save?

  455. I don’t think there is a scientific difference, it’s a legal difference.

    Oh, and can we assume from this that you’ve finally abandoned your “laws must only be based on SCIENCE” position?

  456. SBP – They reserve the right to base their feelings on science-y things too.

  457. “laws must only be based on SCIENCE”

    Asked and answered. Look at the bottom of this comment:

    http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=14943#comment-723043

  458. Asked and answered.

    Translation: you got backed into a corner and then tried to weasel out.

    You may hope that all that mahooha you posted earlier has been forgotten, but I assure you that it hasn’t.

  459. SBP – They do not really care for science. They prefer science-y.

  460. “laws must only be based on SCIENCE”

    Science informs policy. Science can tell us all about fetal development. At what stage lungs develop, how to insure preemies finish developing, etc. Science gets you all that information. But science isn’t policy, it informs policy. What’s so hard about this?

  461. That was your wiggle position, not your initial position. Nice try.

    Personally, I liked it when you proved the existence of Justice by showing that we passed laws and built Courts. That was some good learnin’

  462. Science informs policy.

    Ha!

  463. In Barcky’s world, his religion informs his politics. That is okay since he is a Leftist, I suppose.

  464. That was your wiggle position, not your initial position. Nice try.

    My initial position was that policy should not be based on things for which there is no evidence. My “wiggle” position was, “Science is not policy. Science informs policy.” You see those as two different things?

    Speaking of wiggle, you still haven’t answered the following question:

    JD, have you ever admitted here that someone on the left might have a more plausible argument?

    For Christ’s sake, it’s a yes (link please) or no question.

  465. I answered that when you asked it the first time. That you ignored my answer is no fault of mine, and says much about your ability to read, or carry on an honest discussion. Of course I have. There are plenty of people that have honest positions that I do not agree with, but they can articulate an honest accounting of how they arrived at their positions, and in some cases, I tend to agree with them. However, you and the rest of the sophist trolls around here do not fall in that category.

    What do you think of Teh One’s position on same sex marriage where he states his religion informs his policy?

  466. My initial position was that policy should not be based on things for which there is no evidence.

    And your evidence that there’s a qualitative difference between a baby which has emerged from the vagina and a fetus which hasn’t would be?

    Oh, right: you’ve already admitted that there isn’t any.

  467. Why do you and your ilk promote hate speech that results in the murder of people that volunteer to help recruiters for the US Military, Sammy? You have blood on your hands.

  468. SBP – I think that it’s position on that was that the legal definition informs his scientific opinion.

  469. I’m holding Jeanine Garaflagogo responsible.

  470. I forgot that little vermin, Carin. She is forgettable, or at least, I had pushed her out of my mind until you forced that mental picture back in. Thanks.

  471. Time for a ban on Garafalo and Rosie O’Donnell appearing on the public airwaves(or, indeed, from appearing in public at all).

    My libido thanks you in advance.

  472. I answered that when you asked it the first time. That you ignored my answer is no fault of mine, and says much about your ability to read, or carry on an honest discussion. Of course I have. There are plenty of people that have honest positions that I do not agree with, but they can articulate an honest accounting of how they arrived at their positions, and in some cases, I tend to agree with them. However, you and the rest of the sophist trolls around here do not fall in that category.

    Link please.

    And your evidence that there’s a qualitative difference between a baby which has emerged from the vagina and a fetus which hasn’t would be?

    I think we’re agreeing. I don’t see significant differences between a baby 1ms before birth, and 1ms after. I’m not convinced that it’s the best place to draw the line.

    Why do you and your ilk promote hate speech that results in the murder of people that volunteer to help recruiters for the US Military, Sammy? You have blood on your hands.

    Hey, you guys don’t want to be judged based on what BOR and Liddy say. I request that you afford me the same courtesy.

  473. Please add the small “e” at the end of BOR.

  474. No, I will not afford you the same courtesy when you and your fellow travelers were practically dancing with glee over the chance to try to tie every one of your ideological opponents to the actions of some whack-job in Kansas.

    If you cannot read, that is not my responsibility Sammy. Yet I answered it again for you, and you still fail to acknowledge same.

  475. If you cannot read, that is not my responsibility Sammy. Yet I answered it again for you, and you still fail to acknowledge same.

    Translation: I, JD, have never, to the best of my knowledge, posted a comment on this blog stating that a liberal commenter had a good point and I was wrong/mistaken.

    I’m just using my active listening skills. Do I have that about right?

  476. No, you are so far off base as to be beyond pity, sammah.

  477. And law must not be based on science. That’s idiotic. Law must be based on truth and ethics.

  478. No, you are so far off base as to be beyond pity, sammah.

    Link please – to the one where you changed your mind.

  479. JD, I have a hint for you. Just admit it. Say “You’re right!”

    Then, in the future when I ask, “When have you ever admitted being wrong?” You’ll have something to point to.

  480. An excellent chance to speak out for common decency and demonstrate to the world how much conservatives value life (abortion) and devalue terrorism (high profile murder in an attempt to instigate political change). Unfortunately, like Malkin, it devolves into the usual cheap attempts to turn others misery into political or financial gain. Guess we’ll have to wait a little longer for dignified conservative leaders who believe in their values over politics. I’m still searching for pundits and leaders that wont embarass us in front of independents by acting like catty tweens. Right now all I see are a bunch of charlatans selling flag pins on the side of the road “in memory of 911″.

  481. I dunno, Dan railed against it. That impressed me.

    Well, for 1.25 paragraphs, before using the murder as a prop for his talking points.

  482. This wasn’t an act of terrorism, it was just plain murder. If somehow he makes a statement about wanting to frighten the populace to change policy or society, then you can label it terrorism. Until then, it’s just murder. Stop calling it terrorism.

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  484. You are all anti-choice terrorists !!!!!!!!!

  485. I see the lying liebot who tracked back above repeats the “Ayers didn’t want to kill anybody” lie.

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    I am disappointed to discover that TrollHammer doesn’t work on pingbacks.

  487. If it becomes a regular problem, I could probably fix that.

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  490. Orwellian: this guy becomes a martyr for the abortion cause? Twisted logic? Up is down, down is up. MSM covers it as an act of terrorism, but doesn’t cover this?

  491. Point of clarity: Dr. Tiller’s assassin is not eligible for the death penalty under Kansas law UNLESS it can be shown that he was involved in a “contract or agreement” to commit murder. If shown, any co-conspirators would be looking at the same. You can bet your collective asses that law enforcement local, state, and federal is investigating his contacts with others very closely at the moment. But for now, he’s not looking at the DP. What he is looking at is a “hard forty” (forty years, NO parole) on 1st degree murder with aggravating circumstances, and the potential of additional consecutive sentences on top of that for two counts of agg assault and potential added filings for other crimes.

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