March 30, 2009

“Geithner: Government is the Answer to Solve Financial Crisis” [UPDATED]

Question: What do you call a person who believes that government, and not the market, should control an economy? Or one who believes that it is the role of the government to step in and buy up effective control of troubled private corporations — corporations troubled in many ways because of prior government interventions — with (future) taxpayer money?

And — and this is the really important part — is one permitted to use those designations in polite company without fear of losing the moderate middle…?

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update: President Goodwrench gets his wish.

I guess if you’re gonna go fascist, Italy is as good a place to start as any…

(h/t College Politico)

Posted by Jeff G. @ 11:22am
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Comments (177)

  1. Does Geithner actually believe what he says?

  2. Why….you call him a pragmatic realist of course. Or maybe someone who’s committed to a center-right course of action. Cause really……labels mean jackshit these days.

  3. Question: What do you call a person who believes that government, and not the market, should control an economy?

    Mr. Treasury Secretary.

  4. A socialist cocksucker?

    Oops, there goes that middle. The one with the ears of virginal lace and a perpetual case of the vapours.

  5. You call him Commisar, The One True LightWorker, The Won – take your pick. But #2 is correct about the jackshite part.

  6. Aside from the prosecution of foreign wars and the infrequent delivery of mail, what has the government ever done right? Anyone… Anyone… Geithner for teh fail

  7. thor, earlier: I’ll bet you one dollar GM’s stock goes up on Monday in response that idiot CEO getting punted

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  8. Does Geithner actually believe what he says?

    “I would not spend a penny on helping a bank for the purpose of helping a bank,” said Geithner…

    Hard to tell. Anyone else notice how in the vast quantities of ink and electrons spent on the auto industry lately not one word of it has reflected on what the customers might want?

  9. You call him OUTLAW!

  10. But but but he told me he wasn’t for Big Government?

    “As soon as I took office, I asked this Congress to send me a recovery plan by President’s Day that would put people back to work and put money in their pockets. Not because I believe in bigger government – I don’t.”
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/remarks-of-president-barack-obama-address-to-joint-session-of-congress/

  11. I just want everyone to know that on Saturday night, I turned on all the lights in the house and left for a couple three hours.

    You’re welcome.

  12. *TANSTAAFL

  13. “Anyone else notice how in the vast quantities of ink and electrons spent on the auto industry lately not one word of it has reflected on what the customers might want?”

    I’m hoping the hood ornament on new GM models will be a unicorn!

  14. 14

    It will be Captain Planet. Cars are now going to be made with the goal of saving Giai, not to you know, sell them or anything capitalistic like that. And if you won’t be a good worker drone and buy the shitty cars they produce then by god they are going to tax gas up to 4 dollars a gallon so you have to.

  15. Abe gets Post of the Day honors.

  16. Only the rich will get to sit in big hummers and get shuttled around in big town cars. Like Obama, for instance.

    Coincidence, though. Besides. He’s your better.

  17. I’ll bet the airlines are pretty steamed, they had to settle for bankruptcy; while the automakers get bucket loads of cash…

    Dicentra – I and two friends sat around with our computers all plugged in with all the lights on for about 6 hours on Saturday night (even with the TV on).

  18. President Goodwrench gets his wish.

    Love the way the “create or preserve jobs” mantra made its way into that story.

  19. The Gang that Can’t Shoot Straight, either vocally or with a firearm. The collateral damage is getting mighty steep, though.

    It would be even more scary if HE KNOWS HE IS RIGHT. Which he probably knows.

  20. 19
    About a month ago while I laid dreamily beside Obama in bed he told me he wanted to add the word “preserve” to his hopey changey economic kungfu about job creation. I hope you don’t mind. Seemed perfectly reasonable to me at the time while I was full of his seed.

  21. Obama’s new treasury appointee, Lloyd Dobler

    “Lloyd Dobler: I don’t want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don’t want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don’t want to do that.”

    Lloyd just wants to be free to love as much as possible.

  22. I guess if you’re gonna go fascist, Italy is as good a place to start as any…

    David Horowitz wants you to stop the hysterics right now, young man.

    Stop! You’re just like the LEFT!

  23. I’ll bet the airlines are pretty steamed, they had to settle for bankruptcy; while the automakers get bucket loads of cash…

    No, I bet the airlines are counting their blessings. With bankruptcy at least they can keep their freedom. With bailouts you get gubmint control advice (sorry Mr. Horowitz!).

    And a side of coleslaw.

  24. I guess if you’re gonna go fascist, Italy is as good a place to start as any…

    I think we should hold off until that new reparations study-task-whatzis makes its “recommendations” before we decide whether we’re Italian or German fascists.

    I’d bet German, though. Mussolini was a little thinky, when he wasn’t careening around in sports cars and kickin’ ass — like Ernest Hemingway’s evil twin. Our guy’s more the spiteful-failed-artist pseud type.

    I bet the airlines are counting their blessings.

    I bet they’re counting your money. They’re the model industry for the Age of This Shit.

  25. Obama’s view of capitalism.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRAYT-dcTc
    SFW

  26. I hear O! — ex restaurant reviewer, community protester, drapery hanger, and now husband of Guns “First Lady” O! — thinks two whole moves ahead on the corporate chessboard.

    Mr Two Move Thinkerer.

  27. i asked the clerk at the train station
    “train on time?”
    we fist bump/ then laugh and laugh!

  28. David Horowitz wants you to stop the hysterics right now, young man.

    So does the Lizard King.

  29. Obama can haz fail now?

  30. What do you call a person who believes that government, and not the market, should control an economy?

    Someone who engages in a self-fulfilling prophesy as he and Teh One haven’t given the markets a chance to control or correct the economy (liberally (heh)laced with apocalyptic visions and earnest do gooding along with a school marm’s scolding sense.)

    WE FIX! WE FIX!

  31. Is it derangement if we complain about shit that is really happening, as opposed to shit that’s made up? Just wondering.

  32. I hope Thor didn’t take one of his calculated risks on the bet that GM shares would shoot up today.

    I saw that GM opened today 25% down from Friday. Is that considered a large drop? I’m fairly naive about such things.

  33. James Taggart and Orren Boyle smile and nod approvingly.

  34. Is it derangement if we complain about shit that is really happening, as opposed to shit that’s made up? Just wondering.

    You’d think so, but Horowitz doesn’t seem to.

  35. In other words, while it’s reasonable to be unhappy with a Democratic administration and even concerned because the Democrats are now a socialist party in the European sense, we are not witnessing the coming of the anti-Christ. A good strategy for political conflicts is to understand your opponent first – not to underestimate him, but not to overestimate him either.

    So, we can be unhappy and “even” concerned. Got it Mr. Lizard and Mr. Horowitz. How very civilized.

  36. Thinking about what we can and can’t say… I opened up my Kindle at lunch to look at some of the (free) stuff I downloaded the other night, and there was this:

    Responsibility, a heavy and cautious responsibility of speech, is the easiest thing in the world; anybody can do it. That is why so many tired, elderly, and wealthy men go in for politics. They are responsible, because they have not the strength of mind left to be irresponsible.

    G.K. Chesterton, “All Things Considered”. And that’s only on page 2. I think I’m going to like this guy.

  37. I won’t claim the market would have risen if he’d left things alone, but it seems like my 401k has turned into a 200.5e since the basketball fan-in-chief delved into economics.

    Maybe he’ll quit and ask Jimmy Carter to serve the rest of his term. Miserable failure is an improvement over epic failure.

  38. “We fix, you buy now!”

  39. http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2011-fiat-500.htm

    Word is the are going to call it the Dodge Yugo.

  40. Now we can’t even scream about Obama’s terrible policies just because we don’t like them.

    I suppose we have to wait until they attack us first. An intellectual rebuke to the Bush Doctrine Charles and David both seemed to agree with so much.

  41. Wouldn’t want anyone to think we’re the “same” as the unhinged left. Dicentra’s post is a good one.

    Just remember. We can be
    1)Unhappy and,
    2)Concerned.

  42. Plus, if you disagree with Charles you’re BANNED BANNED BANNED!

  43. I’m saving my LGF registration for just the right moment.

  44. I’ve got one too, Carin. I’ve had it for several years, and I think I only ever posted one comment.

  45. Komrad Karin wrote: “So, we can be unhappy and “even” concerned. Got it Mr. Lizard and Mr. Horowitz. How very civilized.”

    Komrad, would you join me in being PISSED OFF? Is pissed off still allowed in this (hah!) great country of ours?

    (I’d hate to tell an Italian to not be pissed off at anything, btw.)

  46. Going after the academic intellectuals whose spew Obama hopes to institute? That’s a different story. FASCISTS ALL!

    Right, David?

    I like the work Horowitz has done. But here he’s just being paternalistic. React how you see fit, people. If you want to hold Tea Parties, do it.

    Don’t let the left portray you as crazy. Know your shit and prepare to defend your beliefs. The rest will sort itself out.

  47. I was one of the earliest at LGF, before it went off the rails, which was actually a couple of years ago, or so. I stopped going there because as Sherlock Holmes said, there’s only room for either important things or junk in my head. (paraphrasing)

  48. Maybe the media really does love me and my democracy and my pretty country. They will dig for the TRUTH and find out that trillions of gub’mint funds is just like that damned plastic turkey Bush served to those soldier guys. And all those people that got raped and murdered in the Louisiana Superdome. Truth or lies? Why worry? ‘Cause they love my common ass and all.

  49. To see David Horowitz jump on the Everything’s Awesome! bandwagon does not presage anything good for people advocating liberty. After some of the things David has written, I’m really mystified. How can he publish a book titled “Hating Whitey” and then advise responsible conservatives to maintain a genteel tone? WTF?

    “…but he’s not a zero with no accomplishments as many conservatives seem to think – unless you regard beating the Clinton machine and winning the presidency as nothing.”

    Translation: A successful con man is an accomplished con man. Just because he’s selling a con doesn’t mean he hasn’t accomplished something.

    “Bush and McCain both proposed (and in Bush’s case pushed through) massive government giveaways (which amount to government takeovers as well). This is bad, but it doesn’t make Obama a closet Mussolini…”

    Translation: It’s Bush’s fault! Nyah nyah, you can’t blame Obastard for doing more of the same. And government takeovers aren’t fascism, I swear. You can only call Bush that.

    “…his approach to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In both cases, as noted, he is carrying out the Bush policies…”

    Translation: Ignore the redefinition of “terrorism” into “man-caused disasters.” Ignore the reductions in defense budgets. Ignore his burgeoning foreign policy gaffes. Ignore his plans to close Gitmo without any followup strategy. Just ignore everything except that Barry said he’s gonna whup Osama’s butt. Rambo!

    “…there isn’t a conservative left who will vote Democratic in the next election (and there were many who did so in the last).”

    Translation: I promise I won’t vote for Obastard again. No, I really, really mean it this time. Just ask David Frum.

  50. My brother in law’s sister’s friend works at the Superdome and she said their are freezers in there you still can’t use cause of the body parts and stuff.

    She saw them with her own eyes!

  51. Seriously. If we can’t attack the man, and now we can’t do anymore other than express “concern” and “unhappiness” with respect to his policies, what’s left us?

    Answer: let the PROS handle things. They’re better at this than the rank and file, who should really just keep quiet.

    YOU AREN’T HELPING, PEOPLE!

  52. I’m gonna “tut, tut” the president on his policies. Yea, that’s it. Hr needs a really good “tut tutting.” That’ll show him!

    TUT TUT, MR. PRESIDENT!!!

    Oh my, did i go too far? WWMD? (What Would Meghan Do?)

  53. My first two blog loves: Andrew Sullivan and Charles. Man was I a teeny-bopper. I’m so over them now.

    David Horowitz’ “Radical Son” helped me understand what was going on all around me during my years in the belly of the leftist beast (urban non-profit) and the literally hundreds of hours I’ve spent in Sensitivity Training and Diversity Training and having people kindly tell me how much they liked me but I needed to understand that I was on the way to “correct thinking.” I’d get there. They promised. All the while stealing my story and my idendity and my voice. F*#*ing, F#*@ing, F#*@ing Thieves.

    When David Horowitz tries to silence me. Well, it’s painful.

  54. Government just knows:

    This column first covered this case, Brian Hall v. Charles E. Johnson, last October. The five plaintiffs, who now include former House Majority leader Dick Armey, are challenging a policy of the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) that denies Social Security benefits to anybody who refuses to enroll in Medicare.
    Read that again: As the policy now stands, if you want to pay for your own health care rather than let taxpayers finance it through Medicare, government will not let you receive the Social Security benefits for which you have spent a lifetime paying taxes.

  55. Now now, Sdferr. Don’t go getting hysterical. Obama’s speeches are soberly centrist.

    There. That should help you untwist your bunched panties.

  56. Plus, if you disagree with Charles you’re BANNED BANNED BANNED!

    Hey, I’m living proof that you can disagree vociferously with Charles and keep your registration.

    He must have a soft spot for flowers. Especially bleeding hearts. :D

  57. Has anyone else noticed that Geithner’s nose looks like it’s been whittled from a cottonwood branch? This begs the question, “Is Timmy Soros’s Pinnochio?”

    Or is Obama Giapetto?

  58. nose … cottonwood …

    ANTI-SEMITIC DEATH THREAT!!!111!!!!!!1!

  59. I’ve often thought that Timmy Geithner looks like he got lost on a field trip, one where they put the “special” kids on the “special” bus.

    I claim the Obama/Leno waiver for insults directed at the mentally handicapped.

  60. #33
    Whatever thor advocates, just do the opposite. You won’t go too far wrong. Never ever take finacial advice from a manic-depressive.

    Oh,yeah. Fuck the presidents financial policies and the twits that endorse them.

  61. thorknob has been offering up more investment advice, huh?

  62. Charles Johnson can whatever my unhinged whatever. What a homo. If he doesn’t have the balls to stand up and say fuck this commie shit, and right loud too, I think it’s entirely likely that hs’s just one fat-assed bigoted son of a bitch what hates Muslims. And what has out of control blood sugar. I really do.

  63. Also racist against blacks, Darth.

    Cotton = code word for African-American.

    Tree branch = code word for lynching.

    It’s right there in front of you.

    Congratulations to alppuccino for managing to be bigoted against two different ethnic groups in one comment.

  64. Oh, yeah, kelly. He was touting GM stock over the weekend.

    Naturally, it’s down more than 25% today.

  65. oh. *he’s* just one fat-assed bigoted son of a bitch what hates Muslims I meant…

  66. Of course government is the answer. Government is always the answer when you earn your living as one of the bureau-lobby court hermaphrodites in Washington, DC. Geithner is the Man. And we can either wait on him, Find our valley with the rest of the Galts, or take a page from Sam Adams’ book. The other options aren’t there.

  67. Let’s just sit here passively with polite smiles as dirty Baathist socialism is instituted in our little country I think.

  68. What was the question, Timmuh?

  69. Really fellas, who’s to say collectivisim wouldn’t be good? Certainly not us!! Unless of course, some one paid us to say it…

  70. “Naturally, it’s down more than 25% today.”

    Dude’e got a gift, no?

  71. This is why we can’t have nice things.

  72. The sad thing is, I’m invested in GM for several billion dollars now, against my will.

    Thanks bunches, Thobama.

  73. When do the Obama Jugend begin canvassing the neighborhoods for our loyalty oaths… Can’t wait to make a liberal cry…

  74. <blockquote.
    Comment by Squid on 3/30 @ 4:26 pm #

    The sad thing is, I’m invested in GM for several billion dollars now, against my will.

    Thanks bunches, Thobama.

    Against your will, hahahaha.

    Read how stupid your comment is. Did the federal government deliver the mail today, AGAINST YOUR WILL?!!!

    Squid Wiggles and Pinky Wiggles, ah jeeez.

  75. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/30 @ 3:28 pm #

    Oh, yeah, kelly. He was touting GM stock over the weekend.

    Naturally, it’s down more than 25% today.

    Look at the little pathetic liar still trying to save face because he’s such a fool.

    And you live in your Mommy’s basement and make sweet love to your Daddy, sPies!

  76. Doesn’t Charlie see that the end result of all these socialisms means everyone will hate our trashy little government what destroys wealth and breeds misery when it is supposed to be killing those terrorist meanies what Charlie hates hates hates but what Baracky hates not so much really?

  77. no that is not a rhetorical question

  78. Q: Why will Barack Obama shrug when Iran announces it has a functional nuclear weapon?

    A: Because he can.

  79. so some find out that after watching for 2 years and learning about the background of the O! and watching the O! method of governing the last 60 days, that O! is indeed a communist scumbag, but our betters say we can’t say that?

  80. i don’t think O! Shruggs will be a very good story

  81. 76
    Liar huh? I knew you wouldn’t man up to your idiociy. Here is a money quote from thor for all us idiots of financing.

    “And you’re telling me this is bad.
    I don’t believe you.
    I’ll bet you one dollar GM’s stock goes up on Monday in response that idiot CEO getting punted.”

    What freakin genius!

  82. “the Age of This Shit.”

    I am so going to stencil that on the next M1151 or MRAP I get assigned to…

  83. “Geithner: Government is the Answer to Solve Financial Crisis” [UPDATED]

    Question: What do you call a person who believes that government, and not the market, should control an economy? Or one who believes that it is the role of the government to step in and buy up effective control of troubled private corporations — corporations troubled in many ways because of prior government interventions — with (future) taxpayer money?

    And — and this is the really important part — is one permitted to use those designations in polite company without fear of losing the moderate middle…?

    Gee Jeff, I sort’a found your narrative a bit misleading, but then again, your intent is too play petty politics at any cost with any narrative, no? As long as it makes the outlaw emotions swim!

    Were you this overwhelmed when BushCo offered tax-payer loans to the airlines after 9/11? Take us back to those days of outrage or lack thereof in Bush.

    And so the little wethuglidum’s de-regulation scheme paved the way for such grand corporate fraud and malfeasance that it collapsed the “market,” not that it’s entirely clear if your vague concept of the market and the market that’s referred to in, say, the WSJ are one and the same.

    So what’s your argument, tough guy, against the actions of Republican Hank Paulson, Republican Bernanke, Republican Geitner? These men have what they call a little experience and education in concepts of macro economics. Make your case. Be clear. Explain what market you’re talking about. I’d really like to hear your well thought out remedy and plan to mend the failed financial system and “market” that you look to be touting, although it’s sounds more your concept of than any current reality of.

  84. Paulson and Bernanke and Geithner are fags what slobber in the presence of Meghan’s dirty socialist piece of shit president??

  85. But it wasn’t Osama bin Laden what bombed GM it was fat-assed greasy union thugs.

  86. “Republican Geitner”

    Did you eat some more paint chips this morning after the shares of GM dropped and you were proven an utter fraud?

  87. mr. secretary sir what “de-regulation scheme” are you talking about?

  88. All I know is the market is when I don’t have to pay for shit depending on some socialist formulation involving numbers of little carbon dioxide molecules divided by what mood Baracky and his skeezey woman are in that day.


  89. Comment by LTC John on 3/30 @ 4:58 pm #

    “the Age of This Shit.”

    I am so going to stencil that on the next M1151 or MRAP I get assigned to…

    Assigned to? Are you still in? The last time I bothered reading your hot air you were touting defiance to your CiC. Something about a national peace corp-type org proposal that had you spewing anti-American bullshit like a two-bit Commie hippy; weren’t you saying you would defy the laws of our land if that was enacted?

    What the hell, dude, jump ship. Go enlist in the Taliban if you want to show the Man who is the boss. I really don’t want my tax money going to pay the combat pay of someone whose heart is in the wrong place, who doesn’t believe in his Commander or the President of the United States of America. Sounds to me as if you’re no longer taking orders but want instead to demand final dictates.

    This country voted overwhelming for Barack Obama to your CiC. If you won’t or don’t respect that decision as final then the door is a ajar, and the jar is a door, hahaha!

  90. What do you call a person who believes that government, and not the market, should control an economy?

    You could, with Adam Smith, call him:

    The man of system, on the contrary, is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamoured with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government, that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it. He goes on to establish it completely and in all its parts, without any regard either to the great interests, or to the strong prejudices which may oppose it. He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chess-board. He does not consider that the pieces upon the chess-board have no other principle of motion besides that which the hand impresses upon them; but that, in the great chess-board of human society, every single piece has a principle of motion of its own, altogether different from that which the legislature might chuse to impress upon it. If those two principles coincide and act in the same direction, the game of human society will go on easily and harmoniously, and is very likely to be happy and successful. If they are opposite or different, the game will go on miserably, and the society must be at all times in the highest degree of disorder.

  91. The sad thing is the current administration couldn’t defeat thor in a battle of wits.

  92. Look at the little pathetic liar still trying to save face because he’s such a fool.

    I don’t need to “save face”, thor.

    I’m not the one that touted a stock that dumped 25% in one day.

    Got any more financial advice for us, genius?

    Can’t. Stop. Giggling.

    You’re going to be hearing about this one for a long time to come, thor.

    Get used to it.

  93. Dissent is no longer patriotic! Who knew? How does one get on the “cool” distribution list?

  94. mr. secretary sir you said “Sounds to me as if you’re no longer taking orders but want instead to demand final dictates.”

    but LTC John is sworn to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. if the President acts against the Constitution isn’t the President a domestic enemy of the Constitution?

  95. …although it’s sounds more your concept of than any current reality of.

    This country voted overwhelming for Barack Obama to your CiC.

    MFA.

  96. I bet a buck it would go up after the headline came out that the CEO was dumped, you failure.

    Then it became clear that the gov’t is going to push GM into bankruptcy if they can’t bring their bondholders to the table. You read a lot. I can tell.

    C’mon, pussy, spew and wiggle and do your loser step. Make your case I “touted” that turd, Mr. Real World fonanchuuyl jeeeenyus.

    Chicken little, Barack beaten weenie, 9-11 speed dialer, bicycle peddler, hate baggie, fuck you.

  97. Congratulations to alppuccino for managing to be bigoted against two different ethnic groups in one comment.

    I felt like I nailed the degos pretty good too.

  98. I bet a buck it would go up after the headline came out that the CEO was dumped, you failure.

    And it went down. 25% in one day.

    If that’s being “successful”, I’ll stick with failure, loseboi.

    Can’t. Stop. Giggling.

  99. #

    Comment by guinsPen on 3/30 @ 5:23 pm #

    …although it’s sounds more your concept of than any current reality of.

    …

    This country voted overwhelming for Barack Obama to your CiC.

    MFA.

    typochinka..mybadorichka..typochinka..mybadrichka..

    ..

    Look at me, look at me, I’m guinsPenthorpochooka, dittoheadloopah..dittoheadloopa..

    Hi trickle down.

  100. Hi, red.

  101. Give us some more wisdom thor, what stocks should I buy tommorrow?

  102. #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/30 @ 5:30 pm #

    I bet a buck it would go up after the headline came out that the CEO was dumped, you failure.

    And it went down. 25% in one day.

    If that’s being “successful”, I’ll stick with failure, loseboi.

    Can’t. Stop. Giggling.

    Can’t.Stop.Laughing.At.Giggles.And.Wiggles.

    How’s that endowment at your fine institution doing? Not anywhere nears that Aggie pile’a money, huh. Even after the rethuglidum market crash, I think A&M will survive, no? College! Go U.!

    Private sector never came calling for your skill set? Shocked, I am.


  103. Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/30 @ 5:37 pm #

    Give us some more wisdom thor, what stocks should I buy tommorrow?

    You have to be 18 to open a brokerage account. Ask your Daddy for a UGMA account.

    Here’s some for wisdom for ya, instead of playing message board stooge, get an education. Here’s some more wisdom for ya, buy when others are selling and sell when others are buying, that whole buy low sell high thing works is you do that.

  104. Try to change the subject, thor.

    It won’t make the humiliation sting any less.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    God, what a pitiful little tool you are.

    Say, thor, I’ve been thinking about buying Enron. Good idea?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  105. . Here’s some more wisdom for ya, buy when others are selling and sell when others are buying</I.

    Oh, so you bought lots of GM today?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  106. wretchard:

    Personally I don’t think that the question of Obama’s character can be separated from the larger historical forces that are acting upon this moment. One reason why feelings about BHO run so high is that they are magnified by events. The geostrategic fuel for the Obama Derangement Syndrome is the sense that the world is entering a crisis similar to that of the 1930s. We live in a world in which Islamic militancy, vast migrations, globalization, nuclear proliferation, the emergence of failed states, transnationalism — and now the financial crisis — are remarking the old certainties. If apocalyptic thinking is in vogue, it is easy to see whence it comes. In that context, we don’t need to look for actual devils: it’s not necessary to be anything more than a Neville Chamberlain or a Petain to make the fatal mistake. Catastrophe can come not in guise of the firebreathing demagogue, but in the shape of the smallminded man who is working out his parochial political calculations even as everything falls about his ears.

    ?

  107. I saw that GM opened today 25% down from Friday. Is that considered a large drop? I’m fairly naive about such things.

    No, no, that’s not a large drop that’s a buying opportunity.

    Just ask thor about dollar cost averaging. I’m sure he’s buying as much GM as he possibly can…

  108. Now that I think about it, thor may in fact be a prescient genius.

    I figure toilet paper will cost about $500/square before Obama’s finished, so if you can buy GM with borrowed money it may well be worth it (assuming you can take delivery of the actual certificates).

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  109. No, no, that’s not a large drop that’s a buying opportunity.

    Reminds me of a story about General Curtis LeMay.

    A junior officer came to him and said “Sir, we have an insurmountable problem.”

    LeMay: “Son, in my command we don’t have problems, we have opportunities.”

    Junior Officer: “Yes, SIR! We have an insurmountable opportunity.”

  110. Meanwhile, a fact unrecognized by almost everyone: The best selling vehicle in the U.S. last year? The Ford F 150. Again. What, 28 years in a row? Seems like what people want, is not what Government Motors will be producing. How long ’til the new Pelosi is out? Maybe they’ll make a stretch model for asswipe “investors” like thor.

  111. #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/30 @ 5:45 pm #

    . Here’s some more wisdom for ya, buy when others are selling and sell when others are buying</I.

    Oh, so you bought lots of GM today?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Look at You!!!!! Bwahahahahaha!

    You are very similar to P’brain. You make yourself laugh posting the same un-clever shit over and over again. Did the Leftist Commies on campus steal your balloons, Mr. Creativity?

    And no, I didn’t buy any GM, broke dick, I simply that it would go up when they announced they dumped that loser CEO. Stocks tend to do that, but you wouldn’t know, because you’re never had any skin in those markets you so pathetically tout. C’mon, broke dick, we’ve all read yours attempts at sounding like you have something smart to say about the financial markets, only to get frustrated when I, a tax-paying American who voted for Barack Obama for President, smacked you in your puckered mouth. Frustrates you, don’t it. Never tried that again, no.

    Wanna take a pop quiz on Chomsky?

  112. fuck adam smith with the frozen nozzle of a badasssss mandingo Russian potato gun, you hicklicking, beached bagsag. I’m not talking theoretical markets, or invisible hands invisible finger banging your wretched mother’s middling 401ks, gimpy. I’m talking trading floor sharktanks filled with carnivores trolling for wounded seals and sweet-cunted mermaids lost in daydreams! Gashed sea cows menstruating! Little boys on rafts floating in the undertoe of death’s gaping snaggletoothed razor maw!

    You hicks can’t take your strap-ons out of Bush’s ass long enough to think on my level. Cunting cunt cunts! Hickory dickory hick sticks! BONDS!

  113. mr. secretary you said “a tax-paying American who voted for Barack Obama for President,”

    how much tax do you pay to whom?

  114. And no, I didn’t buy any GM, broke dick, I simply that it would go up when they announced they dumped that loser CEO.

    And you were laughably wrong.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  115. 113 was to you, sdferr.

    Thor was busy elsewhere, so I filled in for him.

  116. #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/30 @ 5:45 pm #

    Try to change the subject, thor.

    It won’t make the humiliation sting any less.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    God, what a pitiful little tool you are.

    Say, thor, I’ve been thinking about buying Enron. Good idea?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    Yeah, Enron would be a dandy idea, because if you can buy a company that hasn’t traded in years then you must be buying their out of circulation certificates, the ones with the holes punched in them indicating their useless. I forgot the name for the collection of such, old stock certificates. But here’s how it works, you buy those certificates and you wait about a hundred years and then they become worth a few bucks to collectors of old stock certificates. The old railroad companies and Standard of Ohio and the likes have a market for ‘em.

    So good luck with your collecting of worthless Enron certificates. Too bad you you’re dumb attempt at humor did nothing but show how utterly ignorant you are, broke dick Giggles.

  117. that can’t be thor

  118. mr. secretary you said “So good luck with your collecting of worthless Enron certificates.”

    would it not it be a good idea to collect these documents in order to trace the lineage of AlGore’s and O!’s carbon trading scheme?

  119. Spin away, thor. Pretend that everyone with a pulse doesn’t know that Enron is out of business.

    So, going to buy more GM tomorrow?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    You’re like the anti-Midas, thor. You’ve got the scrap metal touch. Or maybe the feces touch.


  120. Comment by Jeff G. on 3/30 @ 6:11 pm #

    fuck adam smith with the frozen nozzle of a badass black Russian mandingo potato gun, you hicklicking, beached bagsag. I’m not talking theoretical markets, or invisible hands invisible finger banging your middling 401ks, gimpy. I’m talking trading floor sharktanks filled with carnivores trolling for wounded seals and sweet-cunted mermaids lost in daydreams! Gashed sea cows menstruating! Little boys on rafts floating in the undertoe of death’s gaping snaggletoothed razor maw!

    You hicks can’t take your strap-ons out of Bush’s ass long enough to think on my level. Cunting cunt cunts! Hickory dickory hick sticks! BONDS!

    Celine!

    Tragic absurdities! Puddles of blood! Misery! Humiliation everywhere!

    How could you forget to invoke my icon? Thundering Heaven and Hell!

  121. broke dick broke dick broke dick

    Get some new material, thor. Just because you have a dick in your mouth at all times doesn’t mean you need to have dicks on the brain.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  122. I’m off to play cards. I’m the hottest player in my league right now. One only says that after reversing a cold spell, I’ll admit that. My colossal vanity! Sherry, the restaurateur from NYC, is going down tonight! I’m will own her points, forgive the pun!

  123. Fiat is the answer, eh? I always thought “Fiat” was the acronmy for “Fix It Again Tony”

  124. #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/30 @ 6:20 pm #

    Spin away, thor. Pretend that everyone with a pulse doesn’t know that Enron is out of business.

    So, going to buy more GM tomorrow?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    You’re like the anti-Midas, thor. You’ve got the scrap metal touch. Or maybe the feces touch.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Look at you! BWAHAHAHAHA! Look at me!

    No Enron trader, you are that stupid and out of touch. Face saving graces aside, you’re where you deserve to be. And, BWAHAHAHAHA!, take your own advice, fer Chrissakes, on finding some new material.

  125. By all means buy up GM. Buy all you can. Because they will soon be producing the modern western worlds own version of the Trabant.
    Shitstain has all the financial acumen of an opiated Kowloon whore.

  126. I’m off to play cards. I’m the hottest player in my league right now.

    Wagon Wheel?

  127. Wendell Willke 1940

    And I say there must be something wrong with a theory of government or a theory of economics, by which, after the expenditure of such a fantastic sum, we have less opportunity than we had before.

    The New Deal believes, as frequently declared, that the spending of vast sums by the government is a virtue in itself. They tell us that government spending insures recovery. Where is the recovery?

    The New Deal stands for doing what has to be done by spending as much money as possible. I propose to do it by spending as little money as possible. This is one great issue in domestic policy and I propose in this campaign to make it clear.


  128. Comment by LTC John on 3/30 @ 6:30 pm #

    Fiat is the answer, eh? I always thought “Fiat” was the acronmy for “Fix It Again Tony”

    You’re a talking telephone pole, duuuuh, ignore him! Ignore him! Pretty please.

    A horrid lack of originality as well.

  129. Says “astrobeefcake” the tax cheat…

  130. Thor probably plays strip solitaire with himself.

    And cheats.

  131. Bored now.

    Have fun playing Go Fish for match stick, thor. Or GM stock certificates. Whatever.

  132. 29. Comment by thor on 2/14 @ 3:39 am

    I fleeced some elderly widows out of $68 on the low-ante poker tables at the horse track today. Nope, don’t think I’m going to declare it, OUTLAW!

    I’ll admit there’s some deflation to the usual enthusiasm of flipping over a full house against a guy who goes all in with two-pair when that guy has an oxygen bottle on wheels behind his chair. But fuck it, I helped Gramps learn two-pair ain’t shit before he died. There’s some salvation in that I think.

  133. The current crisis has proved once and for all that unregulated capitalism will devour itself — and take ordinary people down with it. Untrammeled capitalism is inherently monopolistic and anti-competitive, opaque and self-dealing. That’s why we have anti-trust laws and transparency regulations, which have been increasingly ignored in the incestuous marriage of Big Business and Big Government. Enron and AIG, two of the biggest “success stories” of contemporary American capitalism until they came crashing down, are not aberrations — they are the logical culmination of uncontrolled capitalism.

    This isn’t because there is anything inherently evil in capitalism or capitalists; it’s simply that greed, the driving force of capitalism, is a force of nature, like water that seeks its own level. In uncontrolled capitalism, if there is profit to be made in gaming the system, and a player can game the system, he will game the system. The very forces that make capitalism work — innovation, creativity, intelligence — also lead it to enrich itself. Only government has the power to control capitalism. And when Big Business becomes essentially a branch of government, a development that has been happening for decades, there is no impediment to the self-dealing behavior that has now resulted in the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression.
    read the whole thing:

  134. Widows, widowers.

    Whatever.

  135. Red Squared!

  136. Please to be taking no pictures, people.

  137. it’s simply that greed, the driving force of statism capitalism, is a force of nature

  138. And when Big Business becomes essentially a branch of government,

    ask ge and msnbc,nbc, cbs, ny times et al

  139. Enron and AIG, two of the biggest “success stories” of contemporary American capitalism

    Freddie and Fannie are two of the biggest “success stories” of contemporary American statism. ask rahm “dead fish” emmanuel

  140. So, how much did you lose on GM stock today, sashal?

  141. Comment by sashal on 3/30 @ 7:25 pm #

    router, try to expand your horizon beyond RW lying propaganda talking points:

    which 3 facts trouble you the most: 1 lies 2 deceit or 3 fraud. talking points are people who engage in all 3

  142. Please to be asking no questions also, people.

  143. sashal’s back! and he has italics! Hi sashal! oh. That’s goofy about the unregulated capitalism. Not letting stuff fail is the most regulationy regulation of them all and you just watch.

  144. To hell with the moderate middle. Time for them to pick a side.

  145. hey, hf.
    just saying hi,
    hope you will read it before the deletion

  146. Hey you there. I don’t think anyone’s in a particular deletey mood today. I can’t get over that guy what has the footballs what are little and green. He runs that rabidly hatey freak show but people what are mildly opposed to the socialist degradation of our little country are the ones giving the non-socialist peoples a bad name. That’s retarded on the face of it.

  147. “You are very similar to P’brain. You make yourself laugh posting the same un-clever shit over and over again. Did the Leftist Commies on campus steal your balloons, Mr. Creativity?”

    Do you make yourself laugh posting the same un-clever shit over and over again Thor?

    Jesus, get some new material you twit.

  148. Please to be handing over all Strawberry Pop-Tarts, people.

  149. They make them with fiber. Who knew? But these are the same people what kicked Michael Phelps who is a real American hero person to the curb.

  150. Were you this overwhelmed when BushCo offered tax-payer loans to the airlines after 9/11?

    Is there anything dumber than a sack of hammers I can compare this to?

    And the answer to the question I posed in the other thread about Fiat? They pulled out of the American market 25 years ago. That’s right, the key to GMs success is to fire all those over paid executives and merge with a company that hasn’t been able to sell a car here in over a quarter century.

    PROGRESSIVE!

  151. I normally don’t do this, but it’s a key point:

    Sashal, you (expletive deleted because it wouldn’t be productive), GOVERNMENT IS THE SYSTEM THAT IS GAMED!

    Who created the Robber Barons’ monopolies? GOVERNMENT! Who accepts the bribes and doles out the favors? GOVERNMENT! Who has the armies, who debases the currency, who writes the regulations that favor, control, and enforce? GOVERNMENT!

    History is just something that happens to other people, isn’t it?

    I mean, how else do you explain someone berating the “right” with the contention that they’ve made Big Business a branch of government right after the lefty government has taken control of one of the biggest businesses in the country, and is well on the way to taking over the entire financial sector?

    Maybe people are too stupid for self-rule. I’m sure we’ll find out too soon for my liking.

  152. Welcome back, sashal.

    You should have witnessed the diseased warts after I proclaimed Russia won the Great War in Europe. The lab monkeys rushed to the exam table. All fags. All pussy stains. All Americans.

    Take your pills and quietly beat off in your room, like your doctor told ya to do, Merovign. You’re sick. And you won’t get better by screaming at your shadow.

  153. The very forces that make capitalism work — innovation, creativity, intelligence — also lead it to enrich itself. Only government has the power to control capitalism.

    Chris Dodd comes to mind. Sashal, you don’t need to quote other peoples’ stupidity. You’re stupid enough on your own. Go ahead, spread your stupid-wings and soar.

  154. And the very forces that make socialism not work- sloth, indifference, apathy- also lead it to impoverish itself. Only government has the power to force this on anyone.

  155. The very forces that make capitalism work — innovation, creativity, intelligence — also lead it to enrich itself. Only government has the power to control capitalism.

    Given any other circumstnces that would be tragically hilarious. Now it’s just tragic.

  156. President Goodwrench gets his wish.

    Its too bad nobody investigated Obama’s hazy campaign contributions, it would be interesting to know how many of those dollars started out as Lira.

  157. “Does Geithner actually believe what he says?”

    He’s put us on a path to ONE WORLD CURRENCY. Only Michelle Bachmann will save us from the black helicopters of mixed basket reserves.

  158. C’mon guys, somebody has stop all that “innovation, creativity, intelligence” from running around uncontrolled.

    BMoe, the lira is, alas, gone. The Euro proudly stands, jaw thrust out, where once the Lira slouched.

  159. Lira Sorvino was good in “My Big Fat Italian Sandwich”.

  160. The very forces that make capitalism work — innovation, creativity, intelligence — also lead it to enrich itself. Only government has the power to control capitalism.

    Sounds rather Bolshevist to me.

    Odd, innit, how the ‘tard that railed about neo-cons being “BOLSHEVISTS!!!!” is now railing against free markets and in favor of state control of our lives?

    Go to hell, sashal.

  161. Home and Abroad [Mark Steyn]

    David Horowitz thinks I’m falling prey to Obama Derangement Syndrome:

    Even as astute a conservative thinker as Mark Steyn has been swept up in the tide that thinks Obama is a “transformative” radical. But look again at his approach to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In both cases, as noted, he is carrying out the Bush policies – the same that he once joined his fellow Democrats in condemning. And that should be reassuring to anyone concerned about where he is heading as commander-in-chief.

    It’s true that the Pentagon’s unmanned drones are dropping Obama greeting cards on hapless villages in the Pakistani tribal lands even more than in the Bush days. But I would argue that — like Gordon Brown’s non-working DVDs — that’s a function more of the president’s indifference to foreign affairs and the wider world. His priorities are domestic — as one might expect from a community organizer — and in that arena he is certainly a transformative radical. If I sound deranged, it’s because I’ve lived under both the policies (in Britain and Europe) and the charismatic leader (in Trudeau’s Canada).

    03/31 07:08 AMShare

  162. thor’s Father is ashamed of him.

  163. Thor’s father just lost a shitload of money in GM stock yesterday give him a break.

  164. BTW you freakin idiot GM shares are down another 19 cents. Good pick there buddy..

  165. Holy hell 33 cents down now. That is another 12% from yesterday.

  166. What do I call a guy who presides over a debacle on Wall Street, can’t do his taxes, and takes a job as Treasury Secretary? Delusional. Obama has another word for Mr Tim. Scapegoat.

    It’s time for a new word to describe those unfortunate souls under the bus. Undercoating?

  167. The very forces that make capitalism work — innovation, creativity, intelligence — also lead it to enrich itself.

    This is not a bad thing. I hope everyone here realizes this.

  168. This is not a bad thing. I hope everyone here realizes this.

    Everyone with any brains already does.

  169. Then someday maybe you’ll realize it, Hick Rob.

  170. #

    Comment by N. O’Brain on 3/31 @ 7:33 am #

    thor’s Father is ashamed of him.
    #

    Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/31 @ 7:41 am #

    Thor’s father just lost a shitload of money in GM stock yesterday give him a break.
    #

    Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/31 @ 7:52 am #

    BTW you freakin idiot GM shares are down another 19 cents. Good pick there buddy..
    #

    Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/31 @ 7:57 am #

    Holy hell 33 cents down now. That is another 12% from yesterday.

    There’s a pool of blood growing in size. It’s enveloped her. Her hands and knees are sticky wet with the thickening redness of her blood. The line of UAW autoworkers is not shortening, but, rather, growing longer. They are lined up with the pants at their ankles waiting to fuck your Mom, Pinky Wiggles, in the ass. Mommy is not have a good day.

    Maybe you like to engage in fantasy play, Pinky Twirl, but I don’t, really. Pretend you’re Master of the Universe, that you’re making money with every tick of whatever.

    Want me in your fantasy, Pinky? No, I don’t think you do. I do that mean fuck-you stuff pretty well.

  171. I don’t doubt that, Ropb. It’s unfortunmate though that not everyone here has any brains, as I’ll bet #170 and #171 demonstrate. (Thanks again for TrollHammer, SBP!)

  172. Hmmm. I think maybe I should have turned off my spellchoker for that last comment.

  173. i like thor
    iffn u be kind
    like the cats i try to be nice to
    like/ i buy cat food/ cages
    i talk the su-itte bama talk
    pause/ i sit on my fat ass 4 minuiets
    i dance for the fuck fuckin felines

    know what?
    they be feral!
    FA FA FA david watts feral
    btw thor/ u owe me drinky
    kurdistan i’m a profffffffffffesss
    or

    can u spare a dime

  174. y my clock wrong?
    chink joke
    two wongs don’t make a right
    ok
    spic jokes….
    jew hook nosed jokess
    i’m die ing here…
    i’m dieing….

    haiku/ my fastball
    mommy won a prize
    is the carnival leaving?
    she’s comming back/ right

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