In response to my post yesterday about the marginalization of conservatives who are both outside the GOP party’s cheering section and who aren’t also useful to progressives (and to “conservative” pragmatists, as examples either of dangerous idealists or godbothering theocons bent on setting up a national Church of the Holy Blue Noses), “Ted 360″ writes:
Don’t suppose you considered you were just dead wrong?You know, with all the deregulation talk and all the “socialism’s a-coming, because 1998 tax rates on 2% of the population is returning�
Certainly, PJM ain’t the only rejecting you. The new Wall Street Journal poll finds a massive 26% of Americans report a favorable opinion of the GOP. Personally, I’m sure polls don’t tell the whole story, but having the lowest approval rating in the poll’s history seems a strange way to win midterms.
But, then again, I think all of you OUTLAWS are crazy reactionaries[*], so why listen to me or the rest of us?
Leaving aside for the moment the category errors in Ted 360’s attempt to caricature me (does he stop to consider that I may be one of those who has a decidedly unfavorable opinion of the GOP as it is currently operating — something I should think was clear from the very post under which he comments, and from my intentional separation of myself from the current “conservative” power structure? Or that there are a host of other things in Obama’s “stimulus” package to which we object, namely, the inordinate amount of programs that will, in effect, prevent actual stimulus), what strikes me as important about Ted 360’s predictably uninformed response is its forced, and unconvincing, tone. In fact, to those with a refined ear, there’s a kind of creeping desperation to it — as if even in his attempt to shame me into silence by tying the rejection of my ideological stance to a mass movement of clearthinking individuals desirous of Hopeyness and Changitude (a good chunk of whom are starting to figure out that maybe Obama won’t pay for their mortgages or heat — and that in fact, they may lose both, thanks to an economic strategy that is destined to bring back Carter-era unemployment while curtailing incentives that promote growth and commerce), he somewhere in his heart realizes that it is he who, for finally having acquired the power his ideological cohort so desperately wanted, hasn’t the first idea what to do with it — the first attempts at foisting onto a dynamic economy the kind of progressive dream agenda having proven an unmitigated disaster, the surprise being only the rapidity of failure, and the near total loss of Hope and Change that the “historic” election of Obama had banked in reserve.
Ted 360, like David Plouffe at WaPo — a man still dutifully trying to hold back the growing disillusion of those politically naive readers he’d previously gulled stumping for Obama, this time by attempting to turn their attention to conservative boogeymen who, he carefully omits, have no control whatever, Congressionally-speaking, over Obama’s repugnant legislative attacks on the classical liberal system under which this country was designed to operate — seems intent on trying to bully the disillusioned non-pragmatists on the right (the OUTLAWS, as I’ve been calling us) out of taking an idealistic ideological stand, because Ted 360 and Mr Plouffe know two things: first, that the fail is coming, and they don’t want to be on the receiving end of my furious and pointed “I told you so”s; and second, that they can defeat “conservatism” on pragmatic grounds, because pragmatism favors those to whom absolutes are non-existent, making meaning always necessarily contingent and controlled by the interpretive community whose will is strongest.
So to answer your question, Ted, yes, I’ve considered I may be wrong. Writing here (almost) daily over 8 years means I have put a lot of my opinions on public record. That I maintain an archive means that record is searchable, and that my arguments, as they’ve evolved and been refined, are available for scrutiny.
So far, I’ve proven to be right in very many instances — particularly about how the so-called “pragmatism” in the GOP would end up costing “conservatism” and classical liberalism dearly (as someone noted elsewhere, why chose the GOP for your federal freebies when the Dems have brand loyalty for such already on their side?), and how the way we have come to believe interpretation works affects us in every phase of our fight for the founding principles of this country, with the (misleadingly populist and logically incoherent) hermeneutic move toward the “democratization” of meaning, which is nothing but a misleading spin on the embrace of will to power and epistemological relativism, leading INEXORABLY and INEVITABLY toward the ascension of “progressivism,” itself just a happy-sounding repackaging of fascism.
Yes, Ted, I’ve considered that I may be wrong, and that my “rejection” by many in GOP, with whom I have no official ties, is a product of that. But rather than agree with such a premise, I’ve instead concluded that my rejection by a GOP that is heading in the wrong direction is a sign that I’ve been (frustratingly, for me) dead on — meaning that the disillusion with the GOP you note in your poll numbers is actually a positive sign for classical liberalism.
Being rejected to such a degree by those who are obviously not only wrong — GOP pragmatists and progressive leftists — but who are, to boot, demonstrably responsible for the implosion of entire economic system, is a point of honor, in fact.
For your part, keep trying to use rhetoric to cow those of us who don’t much care any longer even to engage people like you in “debate” — a practice that, so far as I can tell, no longer even exists in this country, thanks to your progressive rejection of enlightenment epistemology (where was the public debate over this “stimulus” package, Mr Man of the People?) — if that’s what you think will help you hold on to power, even as the country falls apart on your watch, and under your repulsive illiberal policies.
If you do manage to keep dissent at bay, it’ll be by force — not the brute force of other leftist totalitarians, but rather by building up a client state that cannot afford but to live off of government largesse.
Congrats on that. You’ve created the progressive dream state.
But when the people of this country wake up and decide they don’t like living in the world of Gilliam’s Brazil, I wouldn’t want to be one of those on record as having tried to shame them into remaining slaves to the state.
– But then, I guess that’s why people like you don’t put your real name to the things you write, preferring instead to snipe at others from the bowels of message boards.
How proud you must be. And how quickly I suspect you’ll disappear when the revolution comes.
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[*] hyperlink added by yours truly. Just to hammer home what, exactly, progressives are now terming “reactionary.”
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update: Ms Parker guarantees herself another week of cocktail party invites. She and David Frum will be the toasts of the salon, telling glib Rush oxycontin stories, then segueing easily into bon mots about Sarah Palin’s propensity for slaughtering wolves on the tundra.
Remember: these are the conservatives that are being paid, people. So the joke is more on us than on them…
Oh, how they’ll all titter! Why, someone may even snort a fine Syrah out of his nose!
Comment by Good Lt. on 3/4 @ 12:02 pm #
I DEMAND TO KNOW, JEFF GOLDSTEIN: are you now listening or have you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh?
That’s apparently Obama Inc.’s number one priority this week. Get the agenda straight, please.
Comment by McGehee on 3/4 @ 12:03 pm #
Democrats’ Rules for Dealing with Their Own Failure
1. Deny failure. Check.
2. Blame it on somebody else. Check.
3. Choose a fall guy from their own camp, blame him, and insist it has nothing whatsoever to do with ideas. Coming soon. If I were Barack I’d stay clear of any moving buses.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 12:07 pm #
I’d love to see you on Fox All-Stars.
Comment by Fred on 3/4 @ 12:24 pm #
More of this, please. Great post.
Comment by JD on 3/4 @ 12:33 pm #
I wonder if “Ted 360″ will have the stones to respond ?
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 12:35 pm #
I’m thinking Ted is going to have to read a book or two first, JD. His lips are probably moving right now…..
Comment by JD on 3/4 @ 12:37 pm #
How can you tell his lips are moving when he appears to have a mouthful of Baracky?
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 12:39 pm #
On account of he was talking out of his ass, that’s how.
Comment by LTC John on 3/4 @ 12:40 pm #
Jeff, I am going to have to take your word about Parker. She became unreadable months ago… but I am sure she still counts against the “conservative” quota for op-ed columnists at the dead tree/print outlets.
I’m starting feel all OUTLAWISH lately.
Comment by Cepik on 3/4 @ 12:41 pm #
I wonder if Ted360 is a recent visitor or a re-incarnation of thor/parsnip/alphie/kate/latest troll? Has he posted before?
Comment by ThomasD on 3/4 @ 12:53 pm #
I’ve been encountering the creeping self doubt growing in Obama supporters in a series of group email exchanges. If I had to choose one item that has been most successful in cracking the facade it would be the blatant corruption on display and Obama’s all too obvious acceptance of such.
Many of these people are not true believers, they have been duped and/or ate what the popular media has fed them. They actually believed Obama and the Democrats’ promises to clean up corruption. Now the blinders are coming off. Now they are beginning to see that, it’s not the ideology that corrupts, it’s the power that corrupts.
In time some may even come to recognize that the only truly viable solution to reducing government corruption is to reduce government power.
Comment by Ted 360 on 3/4 @ 1:50 pm #
I thought I was pretty clear. The policies of “classical liberalism” are exactly the ones which failed recently.
I framed my rebuttal not in terms of high-falutin’ English major talk about stealing language, but in the pragmatic effect of those policies. They did not work and they do not win elections.
Deregulation and calling the President a socialist are failed ideas. They have been rejected by the American people resoundingly. You can argue all you want about the tyranny of language and all your pretty ideas. Further, you can scream about right and wrong all you want, but people upset by the tyranny of the results of effects of those failures (foreclosures, recession, record budget deficits, two exciting foreign wars) are more interested in what works.
I sense we are discussing two different issues: mine is that your policy prescriptions don’t work; yours seems to be to shake your fist at the GOP/PJM “mainstream.” So, good luck to you. As a person who favors the other side, I hope they listen to you.
Still in that vein, my job is not blogging (must be nice), but they do insist I do it sometimes, so you and your cohorts can bash the heretic for awhile.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 1:56 pm #
Ted 360, who are the people in Congress who argued most vigorously against more oversight of the mortgage credit market? What are their political orientations?
Comment by Bill on 3/4 @ 1:58 pm #
The President is palpably a socialist. Deregulation (when it is tried — it wasn’t) works. Electoral success comes and goes.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/4 @ 1:58 pm #
“They did not work and they do not win elections.”
Tell that to Ronald Reagan.
PLUS: name the next classical liberal who ran AFTER Ronaldus.
“History is messy; belief is beautiful.â€
-neoneocon
Comment by ThomasD on 3/4 @ 1:59 pm #
Ted, which policy prescriptions are the ones you feel will not work, and why?
Comment by mcgruder on 3/4 @ 2:08 pm #
i didnt think it possible, but Obama is definitely shaping up to be a much worse POTUS than Bush.
Along parallel lines, I am surprised that many continue to fall for this Rush stuff. The Dems are doing this because six weeks into their administration, it is the bottom of the seventh inning. Russia and Iran are telling them to pound sand and could give a crap about negotiations (direct or otherwise) and the economy refuses to respond to any stimulus or jaw-boning. Worse, average people, a fair slug of whom might have voted for Obama, are having these frigging tea-parties. They can’t find one person, I’ll warrant, who would say this stimulus is actually a decent idea, well-administered or has potential.
So they go to Rush. Because he, in 1994, helped mobilize a right-wing response to Hilary-care that sank it. By demonizing the guy out of the gate, they make him react to this storm and not lean forward and go on offense. Because if he can blast a hole in something that now seems rather quaint–at least compared to this EU-size nightmare Obama is peddling–think about what the rightwing could do on this stimulus absurdity.
As I see it, this is the smartest thing these guys have done, by a very large margin. Im impressed by the raw street smarts it shows, actually. Eventually, however, the time for governing will come.
Comment by lee on 3/4 @ 2:09 pm #
Odd, there have been damn few classical liberal policies in the last 5 years, like ThomasD, I want to know what specific policies are you talking about.
Comment by Veeshir on 3/4 @ 2:10 pm #
Geez Jeff, you just don’t get it.
I see you’re one of those “small tent conservatives”.
You see, you don’t believe in big tents. If you don’t let everybody, including True Conservatives like Andrew Sullivan, into your big tent, well, they’re just going to have to kick you out of the tent. Because their big tent isn’t big enough for haters like you.
And don’t forget, just because they are saying that they weren’t absolutely right about Obama, doesn’t mean you were any less wrong, racist or evil for not worshipp…. errr…. voting for him.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/4 @ 2:10 pm #
You didn’t think it possible? You really did drink deep of the Flavor-Aid, didn’t you?
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 2:13 pm #
I thought I was pretty clear. The policies of “classical liberalism†are exactly the ones which failed recently.
Oh Ted, you old joker. You wouldn’t know classical liberalism if it bit you on your wobbly bits. This ought to be enlightening; could you lay out GWB’s classical liberal credentials (show your work for extra marks).
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 3/4 @ 2:13 pm #
“The policies of “classical liberalism†are exactly the ones which failed recently.”
Which ones?
Was Medicare Part-D expansion classically liberal?
Was No Child Left Behind classically liberal?
Was the Katrina Bailout classically liberal?
Was the Wall Street Bailout classically liberal?
The only things which George Bush did that Jefferson might have approved of were killing islamists abroad (which Jefferson also did, albeit on the cheap, in his day) and reforming Social Security. The second is conjectural because I think Jefferson would have simply slashed the thing rather than “reform” it, and because Bush didn’t get to do it anyway.
I’m interested to see how you can blame Bush for failing to prevent the financial meltdown while ignoring the role of Dodd, Frank, et al.
But go ahead.
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 2:15 pm #
I would be more interested in having The Circle of Ted elucidate upon which O! policies will work, rather than mislabeling the last administration as being “classically liberal”.
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 2:17 pm #
Seems to be a trend here.
Comment by Sir Lurksalot on 3/4 @ 2:17 pm #
Dateline: Deep Behind Enemy (“blue” Chicago) Lines:
I’ve thought about this for some time now. It seems to me that the “loyal opposition” to Pres BHO and democrats needs to go after Baracky’s friends. We can say, “it’s not you, Mr President, it’s them” Them being Nancy, Harry, Richie, Rodney, Charlie…
Comment by Sdferr on 3/4 @ 2:18 pm #
The relevant question isn’t about pragmatic effects now is it Ted?
The question has been from the beginning how to level disparate percentages of income across the entire economy, bringing about a “just and more equitable” distribution, whether the economy is to prosper or not. A prosperous economy is simply not in the offing, nor, so far as I can see, a matter of genuine concern in the precincts of the White House. Or do you not listen when your President speaks to you? Or when his budget director, Peter Orzag speaks. Time to pay now, says Orzag.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 2:19 pm #
Yeah, because if anything can be said about the McCain campaign it’s that it was steeped in “high-falutin’ English major talk about stealing language,” not that it was ostentatiously collegiate to the point where it wouldn’t even fight back on issues where it clearly held the high ground.
Your fear is palpable to me, Ted 360. And I feed off of it. You’re like a little pellet to my revved up PacMan.
Yes, from Kennedy to Reagan, tax cuts and deregulation have done nothing to stimulate economic growth. Whereas statist control has almost always resulted in booming economies. I mean, look at how well the markets are reacting to the policies the Hopey Changies have “embraced”!
The “resounding rejection” of the American people were to the lies and half truths pushed by a media who sold its soul for a chance to push its agenda without even retaining the veneer of objectivity.
That it worked speaks to a dumbed down electorate, not to some transcendent victory of the people over failed ideas. The “failed ideas” are the ones we are witnessing now — the ones that, since the Dems took control of Congress have resulted in halving the Dow.
As I noted in my post, Ted, your desperation is showing. Just keep telling yourself that you weren’t alone in being hoodwinked so that you can convince yourself that being in the majority means being in the “right” — even if you only think about “right” in terms of the outcomes of political power struggles for titular leadership.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 3/4 @ 2:19 pm #
BTW, Goldstein, major pwnage. It seems clear to me that you need no motivation other than getting good and righteously pissed.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 2:20 pm #
I would be more interested in having The Circle of Ted elucidate upon which O! policies will work, rather than mislabeling the last administration as being “classically liberalâ€.
Methinks that will involve some of that there “high-falutin’ English major talk”.
Comment by kelly on 3/4 @ 2:24 pm #
Hmm. Every time I see/hear this formulation it seems to me the person (in your case, the cretin) who utters/writes it is in need of some reassurance of their beliefs. There was nothing “resounding” about the last election, T-T-Ted.
If your “side” is so damn sure of their convictions (I use the term lightly), why are you resorting to attacking Rush? Your guy looks like the street thug he is and no amount of Peggy Noonan’s moistness will make him look “presidential.”
Comment by mcgruder on 3/4 @ 2:27 pm #
Jeff,
Very few care about the classically liberal policy approach you lay out.
I do, and there are a number of other blogs that are more or less congruent with it in some shape or form, but that’s about it.
Power and money triumph over Burke any day.
The GOP is hopelessly fractured, between social conservatives and our more war-like bretheren, the neo-cons. The republican rank-and-file, such as they are, are no different than your average Clinton voter, truth be told. Libertarians, with whom I share a certain outlook, are about as unable to govern as your typical progtard. Seriously, spend seven minutes around a libertarian online and they literally never shut up about being a libertarian, name-checking each other on books, doctrine and such. I like them, but they’re happier debating Lysander Spooner and the finer points of the Grateful Dead.
I respect the hell out of you and the blog leadership, but no one can call you out if it all is too much, this pissing in the wind. For people like us, these are just slated to be the years in the long grass.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/4 @ 2:27 pm #
“i didnt think it possible, but Obama is definitely shaping up to be a much worse POTUS than Bush.”
Try Jimmie Carter.
Comment by MarkD on 3/4 @ 2:32 pm #
Ten more days like today in the market, we’ll be back to where Obama started. Of course, we owe several trillion more, but the market will be back.
It’s very similar to Ted360 – went in circles and ended up right back where he started. Wasted some people’s time doing it, but entropy is everywhere.
Comment by Lost My Cookies on 3/4 @ 2:34 pm #
es he stop to consider that I may be one of those who has a decidedly unfavorable opinion of the GOP as it is currently operating
Exactly
so you and your cohorts can bash the heretic for awhile.
Heresy is an introduced change to some system of belief. You weren’t a believer, you aren’t a heretic, you are an unbeliever.
And the policy prescriptions you talk about are roundly ignored by the “Moderate” thought leaders within the GOP. Those people have turned instead to demonizing the people that the Democrat party have decided to demonize. This is partly to cover their tracks, partly to avoid getting completely shut out of the party leadership for the McCain fiasco.
You see, the “moderates” wargamed the last election years ago and banked on Hillary Clinton getting the Democrat nomination. The obvious solution to the Hillary problem was McCain. McCain was next in line, he was still bitter over 2000, and his policies are similar enough to Bush to get the Bush people, and enough like Clinton to get the Clinton people. These guys didn’t think Obama had a chance because they underestimated the anti-Clinton undercurrent within the Democrat party. They also underestimated the lengths that the Chicago team would go to to win the primary. I sure as hell did. In response the GOP budget hawks dug up Sarah Palin and the “moderates” killed her. They honestly believed the shit the Obama team fed them about being “non-partisan”. These are the people who brought you “Compassionate Conservatism”, the people who thought amnesty would bring the Hispanic vote in a block to the GOP, the people who thought that because Ted Kennedy wrote “No Child Left Behind” that the teachers unions and TV talking heads would buy in. Hell, I would bet you money that Bush voted for Obama.
What Jeff is saying, and has said over and over, is that in the quest to be well liked the GOP has turned into the Willy Loman party. It’s let people like you define what a “classical liberal” is, instead of, you know, actual “classical liberals”.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 2:34 pm #
Nathan, I’m not sure what Jeff thinks on that score, but I think Paul Ryan of Wisconsin might be one. Grassley’s been excellent, lately, as well.
Comment by JHoward on 3/4 @ 2:37 pm #
As JHoward read the latest from Goldstein — “Straight Talk Express” — a faint smile began to play his lips. He found he too could not distinguish Ted 360 from the reviled site pest in at least one important way.
Then too, he’d never had much use for sec-proggs, finding their intellectual dishonesty, as a class, virtually impossible to get past.
Comment by nnivea on 3/4 @ 2:39 pm #
Direct hit amidships, Jeff! Yet these fuckbubbles will be the last ones to acknowledge any responsibility when the shit really hits the fan. Fuck ‘em! Feed ‘em black-eyed peas,hog jowls and possum belly – and hope they don’t like it.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 2:40 pm #
The republican rank and file tend to live in rural areas and smaller towns. They want to be left alone. They want to keep their guns. They don’t want anything crammed down their throats.
I am trying to figure out how this makes them the same as “your average Clinton voter” but I’m drawing a blank.
Comment by ThomasD on 3/4 @ 2:43 pm #
Ok. JHoward, that’s just too damn funny. So spot on it borders on creepy.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 3/4 @ 2:45 pm #
Ooh! Another fine Goldstein lecture to the uninformed and defiantly ignorant. I’m bookmarking this one.
Well done, sir!
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 2:49 pm #
Oh, they’re desperate all right. O! is exactly who we said he is, and his agenda was completely predictable. Keep pounding on them, one and all. Don’t get sucked into some ridiculous idea of being “nice” or “non-partisan” or crap like that. The government was always meant to be adversarial, and it’s high time we acted like adversaries. They used to have fist fights on the floor of the house, for frel’s sake.
Say it with me, people. I WANT OBAMA TO FAIL!!
Comment by mcgruder on 3/4 @ 2:50 pm #
Cranky D,
I meant the traditional GOP voter, a pastiche of country-clubber and corporate executive. Today, we might call them RINO. Or, a moderate.
My inelegant phrasing was a good catch on your part.
Rob C., I drank no Kool-Aid. I like the man deeply, voted for him twice, but I argue he sucked. You disagree. Ok.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 3/4 @ 2:50 pm #
Peggy Noonan’s moistness
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 2:51 pm #
Nathan –
I don’t honestly know. I’m waiting for someone to show he isn’t afraid to talk like Limbaugh while explaining to the people that just because Limbaugh says it doesn’t make it automatically wrong or “extremist” — something our own “pragmatists” should be doing instead of rushing to show those whom they wish to impress (which at this point seems to be Dems who’ll oblige them by calling them “reasonable conservatives,” or maybe David Brooks and Mr Frum) just how above the fray they are, and just how willing they are to get down to the far more nuanced business of backroom deals and power politics.
They want to be insiders. And in so wishing, they place themselves outside the classical liberal ethos anyhow. We need to find someone who wants to lead more than s/he wants to be the leader.
I’ll know that person when I see him or her. I hope.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 3/4 @ 2:51 pm #
“I thought I was pretty clear. The policies of “classical liberalism†are exactly the ones which failed recently”
My God, this boy is dumb. Some relation to alphie, to be sure. You fucking jackass. Classical liberalism was practiced by Bush and that congress? You are so fucking unbelievably obtuse, it isn’t funny. I understand Ted’s need for mommy (aka BIG Govt.) and I would have thought that Bush and the republican congress was enough to satisfy this fucking moronic eel. I guess not.
Comment by ThomasD on 3/4 @ 2:51 pm #
America can succeed, but first were gonna need Obama to fail.
Comment by Carin's not a socialist on 3/4 @ 2:52 pm #
Deregulation and calling the President a socialist are failed ideas. They have been rejected by the American people resoundingly.
52% is “resounding”? Who’d a thought?
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 2:54 pm #
Nathan, Chuck.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 3/4 @ 2:54 pm #
“I’m waiting for someone to show he isn’t afraid to talk like Limbaugh while explaining to the people that just because Limbaugh says it doesn’t make it automatically wrong or “extremist—
We need to do better than that. We need to start saying, “you know, between Limbaugh and Obama, I’ll take Limbaugh,” or even, “Hey, Limbaugh’s actually a smart guy and a hell of a lot more interesting than anybody else in his business: TV included.”
Or, hell, just “ditto.”
Comment by Bilwick1 on 3/4 @ 2:55 pm #
Has there ever been a time in the centuries long struggle between freedom and power when the State-f@ckers WEREN’T hoping the pro-freedom folks would just shut up and go away?
Comment by scooter (still not libby) on 3/4 @ 2:56 pm #
I didn’t want him to fail, because I love America, and his failure can/will cause great harm to my country.
The silver lining, of course, is that this experience SHOULD be a repudiation of the sort of policies we’ve been saying do not work for years and years, but of course – as always – the failure will be framed as either (a) we spent 2 trillion when we should have spent 3, or (b) don’t blame us for not being able to dig out of the hole Bush left us.
The video of various (D) politicians defending Fannie/Freddie against greater government oversight is one of the most damning things I’ve ever seen; Raines actually said that housing values would continue to go up as a way of justifying his belief that no oversight was necessary. The Left has STILL managed to somehow pin this on free-marketers in general and the Bush administration specifically. BUt now I’m wailing against intellectual dishonesty, a subject that will get no small amount of coverage for practically ever because I doubt it will go away.
The market for beer, bullets, and Bibles is nonetheless bullish. And I hate alliteration.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 2:59 pm #
Obama will not change what he’s doing until he fails. It’s as simple as that. He believes in himself too much to do otherwise.
IMO of course. If someone can figure out how to stop him another (legal and moral) way, please tell me how.
Comment by mcgruder on 3/4 @ 3:01 pm #
Peggy Noonan’s moistness.
man.
Comment by kelly on 3/4 @ 3:01 pm #
- Samuel Vaknin, Ph.D. Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.
Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 3/4 @ 3:02 pm #
If Obama succeeds at getting what he wants, the country fails. Ergo, I want him to not succeed.
Simple. Elegant. Patriotic.
Comment by Joe on 3/4 @ 3:02 pm #
Not after lunch mcgruder! That is just wrong!
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 3:03 pm #
By the way, Nathan K used to go by Evil Cosby Sweater and a host of other identities here. The first comment I could find that he ever posted about me, while I wasn’t around, naturally, was this:
I guess now the he wants us to deal with him more forthrightly, it pays not to use one of his earlier aliases.
Too, Ted 360 has used a multitude of names under which to comment.
Really, what is it about these people that makes them change their identities constantly? Or is that all the free candy they’re after makes them think every day is Halloween?
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 3:05 pm #
In my experience the “traditional GOP voter” is not a moderate or a RINO. Call them “moderdate” or “RINO” or whatever, but not “traditional.” By insinuating that the traditional GOP voter is moderate, you marginalize the ones who really are traditional. The moderates come from the middle, not from the base.
Not that I care to defend what the Republican party has become, but I do not think it reflects the values of its constituency as much as it tries to appeal to the broadest of the mushy middle.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 3/4 @ 3:07 pm #
“Really, what is it about these people that makes them change their identities constantly? ”
They’re spineless cowards. Even with pseudonyms.
Comment by kelly on 3/4 @ 3:07 pm #
It Is SO ON!
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 3:08 pm #
Man, if there’s one thing I hate it’s a turtlefucker.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 3:09 pm #
They have to change their names because they know they wear out their welcome often, because they don’t take ownership even of their anonymous identity. They cannot, because they are spoiled children.
Comment by Joe on 3/4 @ 3:11 pm #
It is not that hard.
Lower taxes, less government, let businesses that fail–fail, get out the way of businesses that are succeeding, promote small businesses and reduce regulations and costs on those start ups. Encourage more local control, more federalism, more civil liberties. Stop worrying if California has med marajuana. Promote getting rid of Roe, but letting the states decide abortion issues.
Promote a vigorous defense and when you get in a war, win it.
Republicans got in the weeds by not acting like conservatives or focusing too much on social conservative issues as opposed to core fiscal conservative issues. That is what led to Barack Obama, who is strangely enough repeating Republican mistakes on fiscal issues, but by a factor of ten.
That is a message Ronald Reagan ran on. That is a message Michael Steele can sell. Hell, that is a message that even David Frum can sell (it might cost him some invites to cocktail parties, but he could still sell it). It sells because it works.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 3:11 pm #
Unless it’s another turtle, I assume. Otherwise you don’t get more turtles.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 3:15 pm #
A guy who’ll fuck a turtle will fuck anything.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 3:26 pm #
What exactly about what Grassley’s said about the insane budget do you disagree with, Nathan?
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 3:39 pm #
Call him “Evil Cosby Sweater.” Humanize him and the terrorists have won.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 3/4 @ 3:43 pm #
Actually, no Jeff didn’t. McCain lost to him. But then again, McCain isn’t a classical liberal, either. You big government types had a field day. Congrats. It will end shortly. Classical Liberals may never have their day again. That kind of sucks.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 3:47 pm #
Thor –
It’s no mistake that your last two comments were deleted. I don’t need you here stirring up shit with no point other than you have nothing better to do, and no worries, given that you’re already financially secure. Don’t post here anymore. I’ve given you every opportunity not to be a raging asshole on every single post that you come across.
Find another place to hang your hat.
Comment by jacitelli on 3/4 @ 3:49 pm #
Thank-you Jeff
Comment by Hadlowe on 3/4 @ 3:49 pm #
And USSR won the gold medal in basketball in 1972. He who controls the refs controls the game.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 3:49 pm #
Make that your last three comments.
You know damn well what I felt about McCain and the entire GOP, for that matter. Equating what I believe with what they believe is disingenuous to the utmost, and I won’t waste my time or what’s left of my bandwidth playing silly games with you just because you want attention, or are angling for a new way to describe a twat.
Reinvent yourself as someone who isn’t kneejerk contrarian, and who doesn’t come here solely to piss on my rug, and then email me. We can talk then.
Comment by Hadlowe on 3/4 @ 3:50 pm #
Whoops, lag in the comment stream. Consider my previous comment retracted in light of 74.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 3/4 @ 3:52 pm #
Thor, take your head out of your ass just for a moment. I’m not a republican, never have been, never will be. This was a perfect storm for the dems. An outgoing republican president, who wasn’t very conservative, with extremely low approval ratings. A GOP opponent, who no one seemed to like, other than other statists. The country was ready to elect a minority. And a clean, articulate (HT Biden) one just happened to be there running, primarily, against a hated Clinton. And he sure did talk purty. Hell, your crush on him is palpable.
It’s funny. I remember when you tried to pass yourself off as a libertarian like guy, who just hated Bush. Why do you assholes have to lie so much. Be proud of what you are.
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 3:52 pm #
I gave my dog every opportunity not to lick his balls. Didn’t work out.
Comment by kelly on 3/4 @ 3:53 pm #
Did you even read the post, thorknob? It appears you didn’t. BTW, you ought to hit the bottle harder, your comment was uncharacteristically non vapid.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 3:54 pm #
I don’t think you read it very closely, Evil Sweater.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 3/4 @ 3:54 pm #
Oh, I see Jeff has put an end to your stupidity. Buh bye, thor!
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 3:55 pm #
I’m still down with the flu, but it’s in the 70s here today, the site is running slowly, so I’m going to go outside for some fresh air while I still have a house to go outside of.
Once I’m homeless, I’m going to find where thor lives and move in. Whether he likes it or not.
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 3:58 pm #
His mom has a huge basement.
Or so I’ve been told.
Comment by kelly on 3/4 @ 3:59 pm #
Is this thing on?
[tap...tap]
Comment by Spiny Norman on 3/4 @ 3:59 pm #
Re: Update
I don’t know why Parker and Frum don’t just join the Democratic Party, since they’re trying ever-so-hard to impress them. Do they think they’d just get lost in the crowd?
Thanks for 86′ing the drunken idiot, by the way.
Comment by Old Texas Turkey on 3/4 @ 4:00 pm #
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 3/4 @ 3:54 pm #
Oh, I see Jeff has put an end to your stupidity. Buh bye, thor!
ditto’s. bye jaggoff.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 3/4 @ 4:01 pm #
70’s? Get outside. It’s 13 here today. I’m only going outside to go to the liquor store and pick up a bottle aqua vitae. I’m feeling peaty, today, so Laphroig, it is.
BTW, I am truly sorry about your present financial situation. In 2001, I was laid off twice in a span of 8 mos. In between those two layoffs, my wife was laid off from her job of 7 years. We had to sell the house. This may not be helping helping, but I just wanted you to know, that you’re not alone. Anyhow, hang in there.
Comment by mojo on 3/4 @ 4:01 pm #
Now me, on the other paw, I keep the same Nom de Blog everywhere, unless I’m trying to be funny or make a point with a sock. And yes, I’m an asshole. A professional. I get paid to be an asshole.
Go ahead, envy me. I’ll wait.
…
Ok, that’s enough. I don’t rate as much envy as some other professional assholes (*snort*plouffe*snort*), because I don’t get paid as much.
Comment by dicentra on 3/4 @ 4:01 pm #
Nathan honey, if you’re seeing “bold colors,” you need to turn down the Hue setting on your monitor.
Also, your simplistic perception of your ideological opponents’ perspective says more about you than it does about them.
And. Pastels are good? Always? Or haven’t you got to the part where you recognizes that sometimes it’s pastels and sometimes it’s bolds.
Also. If you go always with pastels, it means you’re up to something, so you need to make yourself look harmless by straddling the fence while behind closed doors you’re consolidating your power.
Pastels indeed. On an Evil Cosby Sweater? Not likely.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 4:08 pm #
Full disclosure:
Believe it or not, over the years thor has been one of the most generous benefactors this site has had. Still, that has nothing to do with my keeping him around, as I’ve made clear to him. He has a certain way with words that I’ve always appreciated, and often times I’ve been able to use him as an object lesson.
But part of my mental anguish is having to put up with the constant — and kneejerk — contrarianism from people who have no desire to debate anything. They simply want to get a reaction and to receive attention. On my time, and at my expense.
I can’t and won’t put up with it anymore. I’ve long had a VERY generous open door policy. And the reason Karl is gone is because I didn’t like being sent an ultimatum about who can and cannot comment on MY site.
Ultimately, I get to decide who stays and who goes. And it’s at my whim.
I appreciate the support thor has sent me, but I don’t appreciate it enough that I’m going to tolerate what are now almost ubiquitously comments with no other purpose than to stir shit. Worse, they are disingenuous — and he knows it. And that, more than anything, is what bothers me about them.
So there. I’ve said what I have to on the matter. If and when he returns, it will be with a new understanding of the ground rules for commenting here.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 4:18 pm #
Also –
Seems like a perfect day to post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEU5vXmE5mU
Comment by Nathan K2 on 3/4 @ 4:20 pm #
I guess not. Maybe you should explain it to me:
Trickle down, bitches!
Actually, what really happens is that when you cut taxes on the upper bracket, they tend to invest more in jackalope ranches and fur-bearing trout farms.
Otherwise, we would not be in this mess.
Comment by Sdferr on 3/4 @ 4:23 pm #
Oh, look, perfect knowledge! Always wondered where we’d finally find it. Who knew it would reside in an Evil Cosby Sweater?
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 4:25 pm #
Nathan, if you haven’t noticed, the market’s reaction to the president’s policies amounts to capitalism on strike.
Comment by Makewi on 3/4 @ 4:26 pm #
Nathan2K is right. It’s better to take from the rich and give to the poor, because the rich have no record of producing taxable income whereas the poor have. Or something.
Besides the rich should be punished for having what the evil sweater wearer wants but has not figured out yet how to get for himself.
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 3/4 @ 4:33 pm #
“Otherwise, we would not be in this mess.”
Ok, here’s the part where you defend your assertion. I’m ready.
Comment by McGehee on 3/4 @ 4:35 pm #
Hey, I know that every job I’ve ever had that paid well, was given to me by a homeless guy living in a refrigerator carton.
Am I right? Huh?
Comment by kelly on 3/4 @ 4:36 pm #
Talk about being confused. All this time I thought Evil Cosby Sweater was referring to excess perspiration and the attendant odor. Oh, wait. It actually does make sense.
Comment by SteveG on 3/4 @ 4:39 pm #
Great post Jeff.
One of the things I like about your call for outlaws is the bravery that requires. Conservatives lost their balls (or ovaries) along the way. Dropping the core values of conservativism gelded the GOP.
Sackless politics isn’t very outlaw unless you want to be the ill tempered eunuch running amok amongst the harem virgins with a rolled up copy of the omnibus spending package.
Outlaws speak their minds and don’t give a crap about consensus when it comes to matters of principle.
Keep firing posts like that one and they won’t be able to shut down your voice.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 5:00 pm #
Progressives explained.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:02 pm #
Brilliant, Nathan K has made me see the light.
When do I get my free gas and mortgage?
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:03 pm #
Actually, what really happens is that when you cut taxes on the upper bracket, they tend to invest more in jackalope ranches and fur-bearing trout farms.*
(*citation needed)
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 5:03 pm #
What does that mean? Are you trying to suggest I comment under names other than my own? Got proof? Or is this, like your entire economic “analysis,” merely accusation based on How You Feel?
Fuck yourself, you ball-less coward. You need 5 identities in order to work a conversation, and you still can’t find a way to win a simple direct engagement.
Get lost and don’t come back. The only reason you’re here now is because these are the last few months you’ll have to pretend to gloat about the great victory of the people over the evils of capitalism that have served the US so poorly.
Give thor a call. I hear he needs a friend to go with him to take uninvited dumps in other people’s homes.
Comment by Joe on 3/4 @ 5:03 pm #
Jeff: I think this clip is a bit more appropriate than the GoGos.
Because history has a wierd way of repeating itself.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 5:04 pm #
Sure. Especially when he sockpuppets his own site.
Wow. That’s your example of analytical thought? Jeff G., starring as Gleenwalds? Do us a favor, Shorty, and piss off.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:05 pm #
BTW, is Nathan K who I think it is?
Comment by kelly on 3/4 @ 5:05 pm #
Nathan sux Pelosi’s ample posterior.
Comment by kelly on 3/4 @ 5:07 pm #
Is Nathan suggesting happyfeet is a Jeff sockpuppet? Yes, I think he is.
Comment by Matt on 3/4 @ 5:10 pm #
Good lord, thor, its not like ANYBODY who regularly comments on this blog thought McCain was a good choice. Some of us said we wouldn’t vote, some of us could only do it in light of (quoting Sir Happyfeet)the dirty fucking socialists obvious intentions once he got into office. Its why I laugh when I see someone like Brooks, a so called “intellectual”, basically claiming he was duped by Obama’s bright light show and deep speaking voice. Not to mention, how many folks here got behind all the ridiculous reach across the aisle spending bills that Bush and the dems came up with. No Child Left Behind ? Sorry, anything with Ted Kennedy as a co-sponsor cannot possibly be good for anything. And most of us said so at the time. I think you’re projecting.
Comment by Bob Reed on 3/4 @ 5:12 pm #
Ted360 is nothing but another one of O!s electronic brownshirts…
For all you know he could have been “assigned” to PW during the campaign, and comes back every now and then to try and rub it in…
Just another cowardly internet superman that uses a nom-de-plume to hide behind; and if challenged in that will palaver about wingnut hit squads calling peoples employers and other drivel like that…
Just another pusillanimous troll…
Comment by Matt on 3/4 @ 5:15 pm #
*rich have no record of producing taxable income whereas the poor hav*
As a proud socialist leader once said, its not about revenue, its about what’s “fair”.
Comment by Makewi on 3/4 @ 5:16 pm #
Talk about being confused. All this time I thought Evil Cosby Sweater was referring to excess perspiration and the attendant odor. Oh, wait. It actually does make sense.
It never even occurred to me to think of it that way. Because of the groupthink.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 5:16 pm #
Nathan K was yet another incarnation of Mari, ST, sinister trampoline, etc.
The entire output of which collection of trolls is now in the dustbin of PW history.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:17 pm #
Ah ha!. The game is afoot.
Comment by Big D on 3/4 @ 5:18 pm #
Nathan = Mari?
Wow, that is one confused individual.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 5:19 pm #
I can assure you that happyfeet is his own person, and that he is not me.
In case anyone needed such assurances. And just to put it on record.
Also, I don’t sockpuppet my own site. First of all, the site keeps you signed in, so I would have to keep signing out each time I commented and then sign back in each time I wanted to comment as myself or write a post.
And I’m far too lazy for all that.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 5:21 pm #
BTW, I’m not spurwing plover.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:21 pm #
I dunno Jeff, you could be missing loooong tracks of time. In fact, has anyone seen Glenn Reynolds and Jeff together at the same time?!?!?!?!
I rest my case.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:22 pm #
Also, I am Spartacus.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 5:22 pm #
Guys pretending to be chicks pretending to be guys. See what socialism has done to this country?
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 5:23 pm #
Oh, Shakespeare was all about that, Silver Whistle.
Comment by Sdferr on 3/4 @ 5:24 pm #
It was fun to see Rupaul and Ann Coulter in the same place at the same time, I must say. They both seemed to be having fun too, so, all good.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 5:25 pm #
The Bard knew a thing or two about mendoucheous twatwaffles, it is true.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:26 pm #
“Guys pretending to be chicks pretending to be guys.”
So it’s some sort of bizzaro reverse Victor/Victoria?
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 5:29 pm #
If Jeff knows exactly what you mean, I’m sure you won’t mind sharing with the rest of us.
Comment by LTC John on 3/4 @ 5:29 pm #
Makewi,
Or is it that you don’t need sweaters out in Hawaii?
Comment by Abe Froman on 3/4 @ 5:31 pm #
“As a proud socialist leader once said, its not about revenue, its about what’s “fairâ€.”
And of course that makes so much sense considering these assholes use the rhetoric of the rich knowing full well they’re after people like me because the sweet spot for revenue generation is in the low to mid six figure area. In other words, people who make very real hiring decisions based on money which is actually real to them. Does anyone honestly believe that if the lefties were true to their rhetoric and made a nominal increase in the marginal rates for people who make obscene amounts of money that there’d be a high degree of resistance?
Comment by Pablo on 3/4 @ 5:33 pm #
Record deficits? Apparently, Ted360 hasn’t been watching the news. You voted for quadrupling the “record” deficit, Ted.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/4 @ 5:34 pm #
Thanks, Jeff.
From the bottom of my heart.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:34 pm #
Record deficits under Bush = bad
Ultra-super-duper record deficits under The One Lightworker = good.
Next question.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/4 @ 5:37 pm #
Why don’t reactionary leftist heads just explode?
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 5:37 pm #
Transgendered turtle fucking cultists – this thread has the lot. You just don’t get quality like this anywhere else.
Comment by Pablo on 3/4 @ 5:41 pm #
Jeff, this is the shit, brother. Do carry on.
Comment by Joe on 3/4 @ 5:42 pm #
Actually Matt, I like McCain. Well let me clarify that. I like the war hero McCain. I like the fiscal conservative McCain. I like that McCain picked Sarah Palin in his own wierd mavericky way.
I am a nativist on immigration, I am for more open immigration provided the goal is assimilation and nationalization, but I did not care for McCain-Kennedy immigration reform. It just seemed like the Democrats were going the bend the GOP over on that one and McCain was too stupid to get it. If we have open boarders for Indian-Asian science and math majors, I am all for that.
I did not care for bipartisan McCain, although leaving that Senate filibuster rule in place seemed like a good idea (until Specter, Collins and Snowe decided to fuck us all anyway).
Who was my alternative in the GOP primaries to McCain? Fred Thompson? Duncan Hunter? I like them both but come on. Ron Paul? I am sorry, wearing aluminum foil hats mess up my hair. Or should I have gone Romney or Huckabee? Now there is a pair of Outlaws for you.
Jeff is right, when the candidate comes we will know him. Bobby Jindal? I like Jindal, but an Outlaw? Not so much. Sarah Palin? Now there is a “fishing buddy” I can think about, but Outlaw? Not so sure about that. Certainly both of them are far better than Obama.
Comment by Makewi on 3/4 @ 5:44 pm #
LTC John. You might be surprised how quickly you adjust to the idea that anything under 68 degrees is “sweater weather”.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 5:46 pm #
C’mon evil nathan turtleneck. Spill the beans, or I’ll say that you’re just another progg who believes that someone else does something because they would in his situation.
Comment by Silver Whistle on 3/4 @ 5:47 pm #
Cookie monster metal. Aren’t you a bit old for that?
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 5:48 pm #
“It must be something we haven’t encountered yet”
-Aliens
Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/4 @ 5:49 pm #
Fuck the record deficits that they decried under Bush but are now embrace with open arms. Just yesterday it seems all wars were bad and dissent was a patriotic duty. Now look at these idiots. DEFENDING waging war in 2 countries simultaneously for the foreseable future and condemning any criticism of their plans as traitourous. It is on full display that they never had any ideas other than winning, they never had any other principle other than destroying whoever they viewed as their political opponents. No freakin wonder they want to switch the subject to a radio talk show host, or some conserative boogeyman as Jeff points out. They are a movement full of hypocricy, lies, and obfuscations and what makes them so pissed is that they KNOW it.
Comment by SarahW on 3/4 @ 5:50 pm #
I got tears in my eyes, long live PW.
Comment by Rusty on 3/4 @ 5:51 pm #
I’m kinda thinkin Ted flunked econ 101, and never actually read a history book. ’cause that’s what it reads like.
thor who?
Comment by router on 3/4 @ 5:52 pm #
baracky lied the economy died
Comment by Sdferr on 3/4 @ 5:59 pm #
While the formulation is familiar router, applying it in this case, the voice is too passive. The man set out to murder the damned thing, not simply to stand by and watch as someone else did the deed. Looks like he’s succeeded, no?
Comment by phil on 3/4 @ 6:01 pm #
I’d probably be talking about michael Moore a lot if the nations largest barometer of wealth fell 20 percent in the first couple of months in a republican administration. Especially if I got my agenda passed with the media lapping it up.
Heckuva a job baracky. Heckuva a job.
Comment by router on 3/4 @ 6:02 pm #
i stole it from tony blankley
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/4 @ 6:04 pm #
Looks like the blue dogs may jump ship before Blowbama plows the ship of state into that iceberg at full throttle.
Also, Rangel(!) has gone on record opposing Blowbama’s plan to get rid of charitable deductions.
Hey, Barky: when even Rangel is pointing out that you’re being a fucking moron, you’re being a fucking moron.
Comment by router on 3/4 @ 6:05 pm #
Lancet study: millions injured by baracky quagmire
Comment by Sdferr on 3/4 @ 6:08 pm #
I just ran into Iowahawk’s takedown of Chris Buckley. Treat yourselves.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 6:09 pm #
Go, blue dog Democrats. Stop this shit. And Republicans: man up, resign, or officially change your party designation to Democrat.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 6:10 pm #
I am of course referring to the Republicans who are enabling this shit.
Comment by Cepik on 3/4 @ 6:12 pm #
SBP,
It sounds encouraging but I am a skeptic of all things DC. Didn’t they all vote for the stimulus? Could this be a way to “improve their image” back home? Are they up for re-election in 201o?
I know I am a pessimist but the amount of money flying around is damn vulgar.
Comment by Joe on 3/4 @ 6:14 pm #
Let me clarify. I am NOT a nativist on immigration.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/4 @ 6:18 pm #
Are they up for re-election in 2010?
Oh, I would bet money that there’s a strong correlation between opposition Blowbama’s latest raid on the national purse and time before they’re up for reelection.
The comforting part is that they’re still worried about being reelected.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 6:22 pm #
Actually, I have no idea what “Nathan” (hi, actus!) is talking about, his protestations to the contrary.
In the first days of what was to become this site — it had a different name at the outset — it was a fake group site, where I played all members of the group (one of the contributors was “Dr Anne D Kaufman” — sound it out: it was meant as a rather obvious tipoff). But that was in the early days of what hadn’t yet even become the “blogosphere,” when I had no readers and was planning on making the site a kind of spoof site.
We’re talking a few weeks in December 2001, mind. As soon as the site got linked elsewhere (back then it was hard to even know when that happened), I made sure that it was only my name that was used.
Felt kinda sad retiring “Dr Ann D Kaufman” and “Victor Milkwhite,” but with great power comes great responsibility.
That pretty much covers it.
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/4 @ 6:25 pm #
waaaait a minute. that wasn’t really annacolsmii?
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 6:26 pm #
Judd Nelson never really guest posted here, either.
I CONFESS!
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 6:27 pm #
Oh. And the reason he knows about it is because I’ve talked about this on more than one occasion. I guess with each new iteration of web audiences, “Nathan”, coming back under yet another new name of his own, will try to gin it up into a controversy.
There’s an irony in that, for those who wish to look closely. But why bother, really? Does anybody actually care?
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 6:28 pm #
That wasn’t Judd Nelson? I FEEL BETRAYED!!!!
Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/4 @ 6:29 pm #
“I’d probably be talking about michael Moore a lot if the nations largest barometer of wealth fell 20 percent in the first couple of months in a republican administration.”
Yeah I know. Do you see any of the trolls come here and ever actually try to advance their own point of view or opinion without referring to how much they HATE someone they view as on the right? It just does not happen. What is funny is not only is what they want to accomplish been proven time and time again to be an abject failure, they KNOW this and simply keep telling themselves, “This time it will be different.”. Now it will just be different if they get rid of free speech for anyone on the right and an opposition party in America, this is with control of all 3 branches of Government mind you.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 6:29 pm #
It just makes actus look even more pathetic than I already thought he was.
Comment by guinsPen on 3/4 @ 6:30 pm #
Does anybody actually care?
About what?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 3/4 @ 6:39 pm #
But… Billy Jack? Shannon Elizabeth?
This can’t be happening.
NOT LISTENING! NOT LISTENING!
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 6:42 pm #
That really was Peter Fonda, though.
Comment by SDN on 3/4 @ 6:52 pm #
Jeff, e-mail me the amount whore contributed; I’ll match it.
Comment by gebrauchshund on 3/4 @ 6:56 pm #
“Does anybody actually care?”
Well, it is entertaining when you slap him down, but otherwise? No.
And please don’t tell me that Leif Garrett was not really a contributor.
Comment by Carin's not a socialist on 3/4 @ 6:57 pm #
Tell me, though, that you really did rap through the park that one year for Eminem’s b-day…
Comment by Cave Bear on 3/4 @ 6:58 pm #
Thank you, Jeff. It’s about goddamned time, but better late than never.
Also, this is one of the best threads I’ve read on here in a long time, starting out with our revered OUTLAW leader having imparted the cockslap of the year (Ted is going to be showing that mighty cock-shaped bruise on the side of his face for weeks; gotta love it) to Ted360. A sight to behold….
And let’s not forget some of the other cockholsters who were handed their collective head here today, by our other illustrious PW denizens. Also a very pretty sight. Like the lovely and gracious SarahW, it brought tears to my eyes.
So let’s not hear anymore talk of this site going away. The nation NEEDS PW and Jeff G and the rest of the crew.
So shall it be written.
So shall it be done.
Comment by Carin on 3/4 @ 7:06 pm #
Yea … good luck with the Franken fellow.
Comment by guinsPen on 3/4 @ 7:07 pm #
Senator Franken, Jackass.
Unfunny Comedian. Funny Senator.
Go figure.
Comment by guinsPen on 3/4 @ 7:08 pm #
Senator Franken (D-Jackass)
Comment by gebrauchshund on 3/4 @ 7:09 pm #
And actus counters with a brilliant non-sequitur.
How can we possibly compete?
Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/4 @ 7:17 pm #
Shorter actus: We won.
Proving my point it ain’t about ending any war or any policy idea, it is simply about winning and then covering the country in their shit.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 7:19 pm #
Oh, so the senatorial seat has been decided in Al’s favor, then? Lovely. He can get right to helping Obama run my little country into the ground.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 7:20 pm #
Spoiled children keep coming back and pooping on the carpet though they’ve been told to leave. Adults know how to act like adults and move on elsewhere.
Comment by guinsPen on 3/4 @ 7:24 pm #
decided in Al’s favor, then?
I don’t know that it has, just practicing.
Comment by Swen Swenson on 3/4 @ 7:31 pm #
Just for the record: I am not The Walrus! Granted, there’s a certain physical resemblance..
Comment by Matt on 3/4 @ 7:32 pm #
*Actually Matt, I like McCain. Well let me clarify that. I like the war hero McCain. I like the fiscal conservative McCain. I like that McCain picked Sarah Palin in his own wierd mavericky way.*
Couple of things, because I like that Joe’s a mavericky thinker. And he and I disagree on stuff BUT I want to debate people with whom I have common ground. I think this is the one thing we’re missing- find the common ground with people and then see if there’s compromise (WITHIN YOUR OWN PARTY- this is where McCain has become the epic fail)
First, yep I like McCain war hero. I don’t like Mccain as “gang of 13″ and McCain Feingold (which as a lawyer, I truly believe is unconstitutional- the problem is, who has standing to challenge it). I went to McCain rallies when they came to Tampa, he said stuff about a big pen to veto everything, which I also liked. However, like Dole, it was his turn and like Kerry, he was the “safe choice”.
Second, and I think I made this point on another thread, but you are 100% right. We had no candidate in 2008. And now, its up in the air- we need a rockstar. McCain’s bad. Jindal has good policies and I like the cut of his gib but a. he’s raw b. he’s indian. Romney, if he’d be more like Rush, ie I made my money, come after me, I’d like him more. Plus the mormon thing. I don’t care, I really don’t but people do. Palin, I think, is the real deal and someone the conservative party can identify with. I think she’s a fine VP candidate and the reason the last campaign was undercut by her nomination was McCain was old enough and sick enough, Palin as Pres was a real possibility. BUT could you imagine Plugs as president ? I’d take Palin over Hairplugs 100% of the time. Hell, I’d take Hillary Clinton over plugs.
So who do we have ? Dan referenced two potential earlier who I had never really heard of. So I looked them up and yeah, they’re possible. That’s what we need the grass roots to do – find us candidates and pitch them. I’m a Florida boy and I thought Charlie Crist had potential, until he started hugging Obaam and the stimulus cash for Florida. I actually really liked Jeb Bush, though I wouldn’t run him, for no other reason then we cant risk another Bush in office….
Comment by Matt on 3/4 @ 7:33 pm #
The Franken thing better be BS. I don’t care about the “balance” but Stuart Smalley should NEVER be a senator. Ever. Like EVER .
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 7:39 pm #
Franken is the perfect Democrat: A fucking idiot.
Comment by Matt on 3/4 @ 7:41 pm #
Wait wait wait wait. Leif Garret was Not a poster ? If you tell me Billy Jack didn’t post here for realz, seriously, I’m gone.
Comment by norm2121 on 3/4 @ 7:41 pm #
you’re still the one
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 7:42 pm #
Suddenly there’ll be very little concern about qualifications. Or irregularities in the vote count.
Funny how that works.
Oh. And I think they prefer “Donkey” to jackass, but you won’t get a complaint from me.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 7:43 pm #
Raising the level of discourse and bringing real leadership back to government: RUSH LIMBAUGH IS A BIG FAT IDIOT. God DAMN America.
When will their irony meters explode, do you think?
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 7:47 pm #
Seems as though “Nathan” has as many active email addresses and IP addresses as he does phony names. What sad lives some people must lead to continue to pop up where they are clearly not wanted — not because of what they believe, but rather because of how they act.
Comment by guinsPen on 3/4 @ 7:48 pm #
Seanator Franken.
Jackass.
~ Coming soon to a theatre near you ~
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 7:49 pm #
Chris Matthews’s job is to make sure that his president succeeds, whatever his policies and practices may be.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/4 @ 7:50 pm #
He can’t articulate what he believes. “I won” is the long and short of his prose. I blame the public schools and his parents.
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 7:52 pm #
I pity the fool.
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 7:53 pm #
But useful idiots are people too.
Right?
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 7:55 pm #
Nah, I just blame him. No need to spread it around.
Comment by PMain on 3/4 @ 7:58 pm #
Frankly I’ve always found Franken to be nothing more than a poor-man’s Joe Piscopo, but without the talent. Given his failure at TV, movies, radio, writing, he was destined to be a failed politician.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/4 @ 7:58 pm #
No, I do not blame just him. He has been taught what he thinks is intelligent discourse and that we are subhuman and beneath human discourse. He did not think this up on his own while playing with himself in the shower.
Comment by Darleen on 3/4 @ 7:59 pm #
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 7:39 pm #
Franken is the perfect Democrat: A fucking idiot.
Not quite; should be
Franken is the perfect Democrat: A fucking, thieving idiot.
Comment by Darleen on 3/4 @ 8:03 pm #
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 7:47 pm #
Boss, it is the embodiement of the Entitlement mentality and the death of gratitude. (and yes, I’m working on exploring that theme)
Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/4 @ 8:03 pm #
I disagree, the perfect Democrat is simply anyone with a D in front of their name that wins an election. Everything is just an added bonus.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 8:04 pm #
Sniglets? Did Franken invent Sniglets? No.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 3/4 @ 8:08 pm #
Everything else I mean.
Comment by Makewi on 3/4 @ 8:12 pm #
The thought of a Senator Franken leads me to wonder what the hell is wrong with Minnesota?
Comment by geoffb on 3/4 @ 8:13 pm #
Sen. Franken (D), He’s crooked enough, he’s stupid enough, and gosh darn it people really despise him.
Comment by Rusty on 3/4 @ 8:17 pm #
184
Chris Mathews is really a girl, so ya got to cut him a little slack when he gets all swoony.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/4 @ 8:18 pm #
I’m tired of the hate for Minnesota. Really.
Comment by Makewi on 3/4 @ 8:23 pm #
I don’t hate Minnesota. I just hate that they would consider sending Al Franken to the US Senate.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/4 @ 8:31 pm #
Hi Nathan. I read this post and some of the thread in the car when me and NG went to a training in Century City but mostly I was gone all day and I have no idea what you’re on about. I wasn’t even gonna say anything but I thought you might enjoy Brad Pitt’s Pringles commercial and maybe you would be more nicer. My favorite are the jalapeno ones but almost always I end up getting the reduced fat ones instead. It’s important to make good choices I think.
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 8:42 pm #
Poor Brothers Potato Chips are the way to go if you can get them.
Their Jalapano chips are the best, if you are into that sort of thing.
Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 8:43 pm #
You can’t get them in Minnesota, maybe that’s a problem they have
upover there.Comment by Roland THTG on 3/4 @ 8:44 pm #
Jalapano is a variant of Jalapeno I think.
Comment by serr8d on 3/4 @ 8:59 pm #
Great post, Jeff. Just what I needed to read after a long day of (I’ve still got a JOB!) work. Brings a smile to my all-too-frequent-now stone face.
Franken? Who cares, at this point, if he’s seated or not? Let’s let the party of the far left play every idiot-card they want. America will see the light and have a reassessment soon enough. With all the D-wacky marbles rolling out and about, we know what’ll happen. Americans can stand only so much; the midterms will be a disaster for the Dems. Or, if it’s gone too far, well, we’ve had a good 234-year run of it. Nothing lasts forever.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/4 @ 9:00 pm #
oh. my favorite favorite ones are these ones. They’re different from the Poore Bros ones cause they’re done up in peanut oil. I will try the Poore ones if I find them but you try these because they’re right tasty.
Comment by Seth on 3/4 @ 9:01 pm #
When they call you a reactionary, it means they consider you a threat. Therefore an enemy.
Comment by serr8d on 3/4 @ 9:02 pm #
(#139? Damn. Hang on.. )
Comment by takeshi kovacs on 3/4 @ 9:02 pm #
Bravo, Jeff, that was a tour de force performance, it’s wasted on the likes of Ted 360, Anderson Vanderbilt’s cousin
perhaps.
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/4 @ 9:03 pm #
those are my dad’s favorite too. I sent him a box for father’s day last year. best.gift.evar!
Comment by happyfeet on 3/4 @ 9:05 pm #
That’s a good idea. I’m gonna check and if you can’t get them around here then I might do that for Christmas for some folks. I know they’re easy to find in Texas and everyone I know up north doesn’t like spicy food. Mostly they’re Lutheran.
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Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 9:08 pm #
I like spicy food, but I’m Catholic.
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/4 @ 9:14 pm #
if you’re retarded, I guess.
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/4 @ 9:15 pm #
as the kids say FTFY.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 9:15 pm #
Most Italians are nominally Catholic, and they don’t shy away from the spices.
Comment by geoffb on 3/4 @ 9:17 pm #
A friend once sent me some of these Zapps from New Orleans and I liked them even if I am from the north country.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/4 @ 9:18 pm #
I love the spicy food. Generally Thai is the spiciest you can find I think. I try and try to get really for real spicy Indian and it never quite happens.
Also I wanted to say that this is a very very strong return to form I think on Mr. Goldstein’s part. Today in the elevator at the place where we were training this lady with a Brit accent was going OFF on the deadbeat mortgage bailout out thing the socialists announced today… she was addressing the whole elevator. She was heroic I thought.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/4 @ 9:20 pm #
I didn’t know they were from Louisiana. That makes me want to buy them more.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 9:22 pm #
I have had some exceptionally spicy vindaloos, but mostly in the UK. I love the burn that just sort of crescendos for a couple of minutes, but if I eat too much hot too quickly, I get hiccups.
Comment by Techie on 3/4 @ 9:24 pm #
I’ve had Creole food from a roommate in college that literally made me want to cry.
Then go back for seconds.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/4 @ 9:26 pm #
I get the hiccups thing too. The Thai I get can actually make my forehead sweat sometimes. I should try vindaloos more at Indian.
Comment by Matt on 3/4 @ 9:32 pm #
Was it my imagination or did Ted Kennedy get knighted. I hope it was my imagination. Because seriously, i do not think a real knight would have not saved a drowning woman.
Seriously, I would not want to be Ted Kennedy’s Catholic conscious.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 9:35 pm #
I think you mean conscience, but I wouldn’t want to be his conscious, either.
It could be worse, though: they could have made Princess Caroline hereditary nobility.
Comment by Abe Froman on 3/4 @ 9:38 pm #
“No matter, searches like this are still entertaining.”
The fact that it would even occur to you to use that word in a search pretty much sums up the scumbaggery of people like yourself.
Comment by lee on 3/4 @ 10:00 pm #
He’s not coming back.
I’d like to think it’s because he realized his premise was wrong. That is, that the GOP were acting as Classical Liberals.
Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure it’s because he’s a stupid coward.
sigh
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 10:07 pm #
Slippery slopism exchanges with whom. Scrubbed from where? What “slippery slopism” exchanges? What does that even mean?
I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, so you may as well stop being coy. Out with it. I’ll take the public humiliation. BRING IT!
True. I’d hate for Sly and the Family Stone to be lost to history simply because the leftist word police decided to pretend that certain words can’t ever be used.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 10:18 pm #
I think at some point I must have publicly spanked “Nathan” “Mr White” “Mira” “ST” “sinister trampoline” et al so badly that he’s made it something of a life’s mission to set up a hundred email accounts and a hundred aliases just so he can show up here and take yet another feeble shot at me.
My guess is he originally used his name and learned from his mistake.
I find all of this amusing. And so very very sad.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 10:20 pm #
Are you sure he’s not an ocicat?
Comment by geoffb on 3/4 @ 10:21 pm #
Rather cryptic. Wonder who the “they” are that could insist that someone go to PW and post a comment like that one? And a non-blogger forced to do so against his will, or maybe not so much against. Strange are the ways on the sinister side.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 10:23 pm #
I think it rather captures that combination of hatred and envy, geoff.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 3/4 @ 10:31 pm #
I think that our trolls need an extreme negative feedback interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGs3uQXHsI
Comment by lee on 3/4 @ 10:31 pm #
Aw geoffb, it’s not cryptic, it’s just that Teddy takes pride in:
See, clarity and precision of language is “high falutin’”, and should be avoided.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 10:32 pm #
Yeah, these people are violent.
Comment by geoffb on 3/4 @ 10:34 pm #
Two of the main ingredients in every mess o’ pottage the Left serves up for dinner.
Ah, great, my work-night is over. Get well Dan.
Comment by lee on 3/4 @ 10:34 pm #
Hey, look, is that Nathan K frantically jumping up and down crying “look at me! look at me!”?
I find it pitiful more than, sad but then I’m probably not as tender-hearted as you Jeff.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 10:40 pm #
Oh, hey, there’s a riot goin’ on.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 3/4 @ 10:48 pm #
And your supporting evidence for that statement is?
Comment by Spiny Norman on 3/4 @ 10:49 pm #
Oh, hey, there’s a riot goin’ on.
Where?
Our trolls’ sockpuppet army, or somewhere in the meat world?
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 10:52 pm #
It was a reference to the last, I think, of the Sly and the Family Stone albums.
Mark, he’s full of hatred, and since it is axiomatic that we are more hateful than he, he imagines that murderous racism’s at the root of our tax revolt.
Comment by Spiny Norman on 3/4 @ 10:54 pm #
Oh, I skimmed the comments a little too quickly, I see…
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 3/4 @ 11:01 pm #
Then re-post it. It’s not like you care what Jeff thinks about your posts.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 11:03 pm #
I can only imagine the angry letters Nate fired off to Randall Kennedy over this abomination.
And Dick Gregory? String him up for being such a hater!
Ah. So rather than be bothered to understand in what way the word was being used, you decided — out of sheer laziness — just to throw up your hands and declare us racists.
Well then. I suppose I should thank you for performing the very critique I’ve been offering against people like you for the last 8 years.
If you didn’t exist, Nathan, I’d be forced to invent you.
— of course, maybe I already have….
Comment by lee on 3/4 @ 11:04 pm #
Nah, that’s not it.
It’s ‘cuz you are an asshole.
Comment by poppa india on 3/4 @ 11:04 pm #
#232: Are you trying to say Tea Parties are made up of Southern Democrats and KKK members from 80 years ago?
Comment by Sdferr on 3/4 @ 11:05 pm #
The troll doesn’t have need of supporting evidence, yo, he need merely assert. After all he’s got perfect knowledge of everything.
Except how to leave when asked. That he finds confusing for some reason.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 11:05 pm #
And
Still with the coyness. What did I delete? Out with it, Nathan. This is getting tiresome.
Comment by ThomasD on 3/4 @ 11:06 pm #
If you didn’t actually pay the taxes, then it’s not really a tax cut. It’s redistribution.
Why do you feel the need to lie when you know we know your true identity and know what you are peddling?
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 11:07 pm #
Nobody respond to Nathan’s tax cut hanging curveball. He just needs attention. Time to starve him, I think.
Here. I’ll start.
BYE, NATHAN!
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 11:08 pm #
And it might be, too, Nathan, except for the extra $700 to $1400 that the average family is going to be spending on home energy costs–nevermind at the pump–and that there will be quadrupled indebtedness to fund, you dolt.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 11:09 pm #
Gosh, what an interesting fellow. I’m really going to miss him. Pity he had to go.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 11:12 pm #
Well, I don’t know that he’s gone. For all my supposed “scrubbing,” I find it very difficult to figure out how to ban people.
But you’ll note that I keep inviting him to unleash the secrets of my treachery, only to be met with more empty insinuation. It’s all so very boring.
Boring trolls get removed faster than interesting ones.
Comment by Sdferr on 3/4 @ 11:12 pm #
Card Check too, if it passes, should end up raising prices on many things since it will have the effect of raising labor costs in every enterprise in which it gains a foothold. Nothing like good old labor monopoly for eliminating jobs in the long run either. Christ this is going to be fun! And by fun, I mean cheery like living death.
Comment by ThomasD on 3/4 @ 11:12 pm #
You gotta wonder at him though. In his own mind he must be the Little Troll Who Could.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 11:14 pm #
Oh. And it’s “fellows,” Dan. S/he’s had literally dozens of names and email addresses in the archives.
And, given that I’ve already been convicted of “scrubbing,” I’m removing each in its turn, just because I can — and just because I want all that commentary to have been an historical waste of time for our multipseudonomynous ghost guest.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/4 @ 11:20 pm #
Can you do a global replacement, such as, “Troll blather”?
Comment by Nathan K2 on 3/4 @ 11:24 pm #
I’m not part of a party that traditionally gets a negligible percent of the A-A vote. That would be you, and I’m illustrating a somewhat plausible reason.
You’re free to feel otherwise and explain it to death.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 3/4 @ 11:27 pm #
Then you are a bigger idiot then I would have found possible. Does the term “yellow dog democrat” ring any bells? No? Too bad.
Comment by lee on 3/4 @ 11:30 pm #
It’s the projection.
The idiot part is his lack of self-awareness.
Comment by Cepik on 3/4 @ 11:34 pm #
It’s got to be actus, he was kicked off of The Anchoress, LaShawn Barber, Patterico, here and many others. Same dim style, no wit . . . just trying . . . to hang on . . . til the next posting . . . just one more . . comeback . . .
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 11:36 pm #
Another plausible reason is that I’m against race-based affirmative action, meaning those who are for it tend to disagree with me. But my stance on the issue I’ve made perfectly clear. The reasons for said stance I’ve publicly argued. Even while teaching. So, like, Occam’s Razor and all that.
There’s a whole section on my sideboard in which these topics are discussed. You’ll note, however, that I’m not against the idea of affirmative action based on such things as opportunity or economic dysfunction — or at least, I’m willing to hear such arguments.
You’re really a rather shallow thinker in all of your incarnations, Nathan, but I must say, today you’re managing to reach an all-time low. But nervermind. When the embarrassment gets too much you can always just change your name and open up another new email account.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 11:38 pm #
By the way, when are you going to reveal those dark secrets about my past?
Or will that be under a different name and email address?
Comment by JTF on 3/4 @ 11:50 pm #
WSJ poll – Obama aprroval at an ALL TIME HIGH: 68% Positive 47% Very Positive
WSJ poll – 84% say Obama inherited the economic problems from the Republicans
WSJ poll – 67% say Obama is not responsible for the state of the nation’s economy until after at least a year because he inherited the economic problems from Bush and the Republicans
WSJ poll- 26% view the Republican Party positively: an all-time low for the party!!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493021/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/4 @ 11:53 pm #
The extra exclamation points really sell the writer’s sense of hilarity, I think.
Comment by Cepik on 3/4 @ 11:55 pm #
“Obama, Hart says, “has done a Herculean job in raising the spirits and mood of the American public against what is an economic tsunami.”
I call bullshit.
Comment by maggie katzen on 3/4 @ 11:55 pm #
well, but it’s missing an “elevnty!” so. meh.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 3/4 @ 11:57 pm #
Obama gets the same amount of time that Bush got for handling the dot-com meltdown. I believe that was “none”.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/5 @ 12:07 am #
Note the fact that the drive-by commenter doesn’t respond to the point I made in the original post about those who tend to lean Republicans not being thrilled with Republicans right now — which will drive that Republican figure down. Which is good. Why would he think that’s distressing? The Republicans just ran a statist for President, and the GOP establishment is pretending to be conservative while telling actual conservatives and classical liberals to shut up and play nice.
But beyond that, here are the internals: 43 either strong Democrat / Democrat / independent – lean Democrat; 20 “strictly independent” (uh-huh); 30 strong Rep / Rep / independent – lean Republic; 7 “other” or “not sure”. “Strict independents” went by 8% to Obama in the 2008 election.

Comment by Pablo on 3/5 @ 12:07 am #
I had a post up at the Pub back when Rahm¢O! first rolled out the “Rush Limbaugh is the Republicans. Booga booga!” campaign, but it was tragically lost in the Great Server Meltdown of ‘09. Anyway, the conclusion was there must also be a comparable face of the Democrat party. And this is it.
If Fox News would ressurect Celebrity Deathmatch….
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/5 @ 12:11 am #
I should also note that the drive-by commenter seems happy that the American people are high on a guy who is wrecking the economy and is willing to let the Bushies take the fall, not down on a guy who is wrecking the economy and is willing to let Bush take the fall — which speaks to the differences between people like him and people like me.
Well, that, and I’ve had sex.
Comment by Darleen on 3/5 @ 12:16 am #
KEEERIST Pablo…!!!
I’m winding down to toddle off to bed and you scare me to death with that pic
warning next time, ok bud?
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/5 @ 12:18 am #
I’m going to enjoy a Guinness and watch Aliens.
‘Night, dead enders! Rest well knowing that in a country that has lost half of its wealth and is on the road to European style socialist statism, Obama’s popularity is at an all-time high!
Meaning there’s a very good chance that at any given time tomorrow, you’ll be surrounded either by idiots or people so desperate to cover up their shame that they’ll keep pretending that Obama is doing a great job right up until the eat their first chunk of government cheese.
Comment by Cepik on 3/5 @ 12:23 am #
I can’t believe I stayed up this late. Oh well, it has been fun. Oh, Jeff, please keep this blog going. I do not comment much, but I read most every post. This is a one of a kind place.
Comment by Cepik on 3/5 @ 12:24 am #
I still question the polls, I mean skewing polls their MO, no?
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/5 @ 12:25 am #
Will do my best, Cepik. Thanks.
Comment by Cepik on 3/5 @ 12:26 am #
uh,
should read “skewing the polls is their MO, no?”
I am beat.
Comment by lee on 3/5 @ 12:32 am #
Probably 90% don’t know Congress has been controlled by Democrats since 2006
Comment by geoffb on 3/5 @ 12:34 am #
Pablo, Re: Great Server Meltdown of ‘09.
I managed to get copies of most all (I won’t say all because it is hard to figure how many there were I got 127 of them) of them on Google cache and sent the files to Pixy Misa so there is hope for a rebirth.
Comment by Patrick Chester on 3/5 @ 12:44 am #
Jeff G: They never grew up, they still want to be one of the cool kids while to them you and others are those “uncool” kids sitting at the exile table in the school cafeteria.
Or, I guess it’s the OUTLAW Table, now. ;)
Hm. An oversampled poll again.
Comment by lee on 3/5 @ 1:08 am #
See?
Projection.
And idiocy.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy on 3/5 @ 1:17 am #
Heaven forbid that you’d think he would do such a thing since you claim he’s done it a lot. There’s nothing you can do, not even something clever like keeping the post in a file on your computer so you could re-post with little effort.
For some reason, I think you are lying.
Comment by dicentra on 3/5 @ 1:24 am #
Actually, I did respond. And you deleted it, along with most of my other posts.
Because you are a lying, insecure sociopath.
Sweetheart, when Jeff says “respond,” he means that when you insinuate something horrible on his part and he asks you to back up the insinuation with solid evidence, you should produce the evidence.
He doesn’t mean you should go create another identity and poke your head in with the ad hominems. I know that in some senses that’s a response, but on this blog you gotta be hip to the nuances of language.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/5 @ 2:19 am #
It’s really more fun just to nuke every comment this fucker has ever made on this site. The more he comments, the more creative I get airbrushing him out of PW history.
How’s it feel, being treated that way by the ruling elite, eh podner? I feel just like Obama! I’m, like, a GOD here!
Comment by Joe on 3/5 @ 2:24 am #
Don’t knock government cheese. My grandma gave me blocks of that stuff, she would get it from the senior center where they gave it away by the pallet load. After a night of partying, it made great Mac and Cheese when you were too stoned to drive to White Castle.
Comment by Jeff G. on 3/5 @ 2:34 am #
Ooh — I know! I can keep the ones I like, and get rid of the ones I don’t. That way I can kinda create my own narrative of events!
WHEEEEEEEE!
Look at me, creator of worlds!
Comment by alppuccino on 3/5 @ 4:55 am #
Joo know who polls swell? Yugo Shahvaise. Berry, berry popoolar!
Comment by Lost My Cookies on 3/5 @ 9:42 am #
All the good stuff happens when I’m away.
Comment by Joe on 3/5 @ 10:19 am #
Everytime Jeff ponders telling someone to blow him a new universe is created, one where Jeff did not say “blow me” and one where he did. I think you know which track you are on here.
Comment by cranky-d on 3/5 @ 11:01 am #
I’ll give you that one. Getting spicy food here (which I love) isn’t very easy. Even the local costco doesn’t carry much because, I guess, the locals won’t buy it.
They do have Jalapeno cheddar cheese at costco, but they stopped carrying Frank’s Red Hot sauce. And you cannot buy either hot pork rinds or hot corn chips in the stores.
Some of these people think pepperoni pizza is spicy. Bizarre.
Comment by Sdferr on 3/5 @ 11:04 am #
I’m with geoffb, Zapps are grand snacking.