January 31, 2009

Roger Explains [Dan Collins] [UPDATED BY JEFF]

the rogering. Sort of.

Damn good thing it wasn’t oxycontin.

Congress hedges itself against stagflation with a $93k raise. We’re all going to have to sacrifice.

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update: With thanks to Darleen for reading Roger’s Version so that I don’t have to, an excerpt:

Actually that part of our business has been losing money from the beginning, so the people getting their quarterly checks from PJM were getting a form of stipend from us in the hopes that advertisers would start to cotton to blogs and we could possibly make a profit. Didn’t happen. No wonder those people are kicking and screaming now that they are off the dole. I might too. [What’s their beef? I thought most of them were free marketeer libertarians or something.-ed. Go figure.]

Here’s the thing, Roger: you never once told us that the blog network you kept insisting was the next great thing “has been losing money from the beginning” — at least, not to our faces, and certainly not in any way that would suggest that you were carrying us like welfare recipients.

And really, if that was truly the case, why not let us know and offer us a chance out of contracts rather than blow sunshine up our asses? And don’t tell me you were keeping us on out of the goodness of your heart, either. Because there’s simply no way a big businessman like you would feel the tug of conscience. It’s all about the bottom line, after all.

The fact is, Roger, not everyone was given millions of dollars of venture capital to blow through. So before you go comparing people YOU SOLICITED TO JOIN YOUR ORGANIZATION to people taking welfare (you ever try paying a hooker with food stamps?), you might want to think about where it is “your” money is coming from.

We free marketers aren’t complaining that the business model failed. We’re upset (well, I am, at least) that the outfit was run into the ground by those who, to this day, can’t even articulate what it is they hope PJM to become, and who wasted the talents of a lot of popular average Joes in order to pay marquee names to post choppy versions of already syndicated columns — all in a complete 180 from what we were told PJM was about when we signed on.

So if it makes you feel better to take swipes at we ungrateful proles in your (predictably self-forgiving) apologia, have at it. But the truth is, you’re now running a vanity site for wannabe journalists.

About as edgy as bowling ball, and with even more holes.

Posted by Dan Collins @ 1:51pm
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Comments (406)

  1. Goodbye and good luck, PJM. Sorry it didn’t work out, I hope we can be friends, but if not, I understand.
    _________

    Jeff is still young and has his figure. Which is more than some can say.

  2. Maybe you’ll get an answer regarding PW someday, Dan. My prediction, PJM will be the betamax of internet tv. I’ll act somewhat “grown up”, and not type what I’m currently thinking regarding roger and PJM.

  3. I hope all the parties who have been ragging on Dennis the Peasant will stop by his site and offer an appropriate acknowledgment.

  4. I dunno. PJM wants my monies is all I know. But I’d rather give them to here. You gotta ask yourself … who is more promisingly an alternative to our dirty socialist mainstream media what you should support? Mr. Goldstein I think knows we are in big big trouble in our little country. The people what want to discuss Who Should Get the Conservative Slot at the New York Times?*? Not so much I don’t think.

  5. Obama Should Strike a Blow for Mutt Mavens and Get a Shelter Dog*

    Do you accept PayPal?

  6. from that “explanation”

    Actually that part of our business has been losing money from the beginning, so the people getting their quarterly checks from PJM were getting a form of stipend from us in the hopes that advertisers would start to cotton to blogs and we could possibly make a profit. Didn’t happen. No wonder those people are kicking and screaming now that they are off the dole. I might too. [What’s their beef? I thought most of them were free marketeer libertarians or something.-ed. Go figure.]

    Oh, fuck you, Roger. Did you TELL your bloggers you were engaging in a Madoff-style enterprise?

  7. No wonder those people are kicking and screaming now that they are off the dole.

    So entering into a consensual contract (they provide ad space, you provide money) is going on the “dole”?

    Odd way of looking at it.

    If you were spending more to place the ads on the blogs than you were taking in, whose fault was that? (hint: not the people you hired to run your ads).

    many of you have noticed we are putting considerable effort into Pajamas TV.

    And that’s profitable, I suppose? Sorry. I don’t believe it.

  8. No wonder those people are kicking and screaming now that they are off the dole.

    Ouch!

  9. Shut up, pineapple.

  10. For you son.

  11. The Anchoress, whose blog gets almost exctly the same traffic as PW, said she was making $4000/year blogging.

    That doen’t seem like such an unreachable fundraising goal.

  12. No wonder those people are kicking and screaming now that they are off the dole.

    I think there’s not much business sense in that statement.

  13. I left a brief comment on Roger’s curious usage of the word dole. Let’s see if it escapes moderation.

  14. Couldn’t agree more momma parsnip.

  15. I think it will get through Thomas, judging by what he’s let through already. If he’s not blogging and engaging all day and all night tonight then … that will be very telling. This is the biggest opportunity those sleepwear people have had that I can remember. After this dies down they’ll have to pay to get people to talk about them.

  16. I think there’s not much business sense in that statement

    No, it’s a nasty, uncalled for, insulting slam at people who were solicited as business partners … people, like Jeff, who accepted PJM’s contractual terms (and gave up other revenue streams to do so) and now effin Roger wants to make it as if it were a charity on PJM’s part.

  17. Such a major production in the roll out… I was excited… a great idea to combine forces of citizen journalists (coinciding with a book release in a similar vein by Mr. Reynolds) and poke a stick in the eye of the MSM. But, eh…. they (PJM) defaulted to a traditional format. Name changes back and forth, an abysmal portal… ChiCom news service on the feed… Even from the beginning it seemed as if there were the favorites and cool kids (who I didn’t care for much) and so my habits remained with a select favorites.

    But two things stick in my mind. First, I hit serious PodCast overload… and do not do any at all anymore. But more importantly… I have Ad Block Plus and No Script on Firefox.

  18. I do wish that No Script wouldn’t ask me for an update daily, though.

  19. ThomasD

    I also left a statement that I wonder will get past moderation:

    Excuse me, Roger,

    but where do you get off with the insulting slam that the people you solicited into a business venture with PJM, people who gave up other revenue streams to comply with PJM’s contractual terms, were getting CHARITY (ie the “dole”) from PJM?

    Your poor business acumen doesn’t constitute malfeasance on the part of The Anchoress, Ace, Jeff Goldstein or any other of the people you used to generate traffic here. That was a totally uncalled for slam and appears in line with your less than upfront way of doing business in the first place.

    Your admonishment to others to “grow up” looks more like projection.

  20. Roger L. Simon – ready for MSM –

    buries the lead (hey folks were losing money should have been line one)
    assumes you know the real info (just like the MSM assumes you know that crooked politician is a Dem and doesn’t mention it in the story)
    Attack you critics…

    Yup, Rog is ready to switch back the the left… bye Rog… can’t say i’ve ever found anything you’ve written to be remote interesting…

    Hello Big Hollywood… Go Breitbart Go…

  21. Darleen is right about how uncalled for that was. It makes it really hard to root for these people I think.

  22. Also I am way bored refreshing Roger’s page to see if he lets all those comments out of moderation. He must be new to this Internet thing.

  23. Except for the Puppy Blender, I don’t go to anything that is PJM “insider” content… Though many of my favorites – PW, HA, Ace – are up sh&t creek now…

  24. Wow. Just wow. Who got the knife set?

    Seriously, why didn’t he just ask for the money back?

  25. Damn. This oughta be a helluva blog war. …and I’ve seen some bad ones…

    Ya might wanna be careful, folks. In a war, no matter who wins, both sides get hurt.

  26. So Roger came down from the Ephors temple to deliver this to the Spartans below.

    Honor the Carnea! Honor the PJM TV!

    Maybe Jeff can take his 300 bloggers and make a stand at the Hot Gates!

  27. Is that what it is, Warren? I was thinking it was a public disagreement. Anyways, I don’t carry a blogshiv.

  28. Yeah but the sleepwear people are gonna lose a crapload of money, Mr. Bonesteel. Other people’s money mostly. You see, once their investor venture capital people start realizing they’re funding a loser enterprise, what they will do is they will not give the man with the old fart hat any more monies. Then the old fart hat man and the other sleepwear people will be kicking and screaming cause they’ll be off the dole, having never earned any monies. [will old fart hat man get to keep his old fart hat? -ed. hmmm. Not sure. My feeling is that your question is facetious.

  29. For what it’s worth, my comment on the PJM page was published right away. and, I Never! go there unless linked, much less comment…

    But I agree with the sentiments of many others here. It sounds to me that if he was paying more to place the ads then he was taking in from the advertisers, well then either his business managers calculations were flawed or his salesmen inept. Either way, I believe the whole PJM/PJTV is operating under a flawed business model anyway…

    I also agree with happyfeet, that I’m certainly not going to pay them 15 dollars a month for PJTV when I could give that here and be guaranteed a thoughtful and highquality product…

    And after the way Jeff was treated? Well let’s just say that this sums it up nicely…

    http://tinyurl.com/ddro5z

    Because now they wouldn’t get the sweat off my, well, you know what

  30. you’re right happyfeet,

    Soon his venture capitalists will realize it as another dot-com-bubble-style losing proposition; and when your cash is gone, it’s funny how so too are many of your erstwhile “friends“…

  31. For real, Bob? I don’t see a comment from you there. But also… $15 a month???? I never looked to see what they were asking. Jeez. That’s a lot of swiss cake rolls.

  32. Huh. I read Insty, of course, since I started with Insty just before 9/11. I just don’t get the PJTV thing. Like I said, if I want to watch tv, I’ll watch tv. If there was a conservative or libertarian tv channel that did not have Brent Bozell involved in any way, I’d probably watch it if there was something interesting on. Interviews? Bored now.

    And wouldn’t a contactual obligation to pay money to someone for a service require that the someone gets paid?

  33. cthulhu asks a very good question over there by the way…

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but was it losing so much money that it couldn’t have been moved to breakeven?

    If the financials were out there and said that revenue were 80% of blog payments, perhaps the blog payments could have been haircutted by 20% to bring things into balance.

  34. Brent Bozell is so not in my tribe either. He’s like the dorky guy everyone lets hang around and tries to be nice to but no one has any idea who invited him.

  35. Test for finding out if you are gay

    Here is another test

    You know if you are gay if you took money from Roger Simon–especially if it required servicing Roger Simon with your mouth.

  36. I dunno happyfeet…

    Maybe I can see mine because of the cookie ot places on my machine; you know, so I’ll feel better about them for letting me through. I did think it odd that there were only 13 comments on the thread!

    And the price figure I saw was from clicking on one of their ads, once, at Hot Air. When I clicked through t another button it informed of subscription necessary, and said it was, like, 12.95 per month, or 14.95, or something; I can’t remember because I closed the window immediately muteering, “they must be on crack”, to myself…

    But you’re right, that’s a lot of Swiss Cake Roll!

  37. oh. I see your comment there now Bob. He just let quite a few through. Not Darleen’s though. Or ThomasD’s. oh. Mr. Simon is not teh evil, Joe. I don’t really feel comfortable going much further than making fun of his hat and taking issue with the being on the dole comment. And maybe sort of bonking PJTV on the head generally, just cause we’ve already been doing that for awhile and it would be disingenuous to stop now.

    Oh. Also I just realized that the Andy Richter looking guy was I think replaced in his editor job by Jennifer Rubin. I knew she had joined but I hadn’t realized it was in that capacity. She’s never particularly bothered me that I can ever remember, and I generally like the stuff Mr. Reynolds links to. Andy Richter guy is still an XpressBlog guy or whatever. He makes good sense a lot but his copy reads very old school and not very bloglike.

  38. By golly

    It looks like a bunch of comments just got through moderation … but mine disappeared (I could see it with the “awaiting moderation” tagline, but now it’s gone altogether)

    happyfeet, looks like several of yours have gone through.

  39. oh. Darleen – when that’s happened to me it’s really bothered me. Also I got banned at Mr. Patterico’s site once for several minutes. Horrible feeling I think, but more I’m really disappointed that Mr. Simon is not engaging more aggressively. It’s really not hard to get people on your side if you just talk to them. And you’d think the people you spent a lot of resources trying to get your brand in front of would be the people you’d sort of be keen not to alienate. Puzzling, really.

  40. At this point it is safe to say my comment is File 13.

    I do hope that Roger stops by and read ‘Feets at #28. But i’m guessing he doesn’t really get out much, nor is he likely big on irony.

  41. Andy Richter guy flags an interesting politicized science story here by the way.

    Third-hand smoke is what one smells when a smoker gets in an elevator after going outside for a cigarette, he said, or in a hotel room where people were smoking. “Your nose isn’t lying,” he said. “The stuff is so toxic that your brain is telling you: ’Get away.’”

    I think the New York Times just called Baracky toxic.

  42. My response is in the update.

    It’s longer than “bite me,” but it amounts to the same thing.

  43. Heh… I love the righteous meltdown. More, please.

  44. I think “bite me” works better.

  45. Nice Updike shoutout in the update, dan.

  46. That was me, parsnip. And God Rest His Soul.

  47. Seriously, if a contract says people get paid for ___ service, they ought to be paid. No excuses. But I guess the excuse would be, in this particular, that there’s no “physical material” to be sold off in case of bankruptcy. Which I’m supposing is Mr. Simon’s thing, that PJM is bankrupt, right, otherwise the contractual oligations would be met?

  48. Ooops, I never liked Updike because he always spooked my withers.

  49. Thanks, snippy, but Jeff wrote the update.

  50. I’m going to go watch The Producers.

  51. I’m going out for the evening for dinner and some drinks. Tomorrow, I celebrate my birthday — and pretend that the Cardinals cheerleaders are really jumping up and down for me.

    I’ve had enough of this bullshit.

    PEACE!

  52. I have no idea what’s going on. But I do know is that it’s always low class to bite the hand that feeds you.

    In other words, if you made money from someone – don’t sit there and gnaw on them in a public display. You should be thankful for what you did get – have a little class – and find a new way to make money.

  53. What I hate are docweasels. I can’t believe Roger lets a not safe for work link stay on his site like that. That’s very shameful is what it is. Or whatever. I just feel like I should note this since I just clicked on it and I’m at the office.

  54. Yeah you can’t really slam people for being on the dole if they thought they were earning money.

  55. Comment by Jeff G. on 1/31 @ 4:27 pm #

    My response is in the update.

    It’s longer than “bite me,” but it amounts to the same thing.

    That is a pretty spot on response by JeffG. If the business model is not working, tell the people participating why and how we (as a big old happy family) can make it work better. But it seems Roger wants to milk the remaining funds in salaries as far as it can go and then they can close up shop and say it was a good experiment.

    My guess it was working, till the revenue dried up when every business out there slashed their ad budgets. $8,000 bucks is real money when you need it to pay your server costs and probably some other bills–but PW also generates 14,000 page views a day. That is more than 500,000 page views a year. Is that worth $8000 bucks to some advertisers? I would think so.

    Instapundit is great while I have only watched Glenn and Helen once of twice and did not even get through the whole clip offered. Ultimately if PJM TV was so much better and Jeff was left behind, well then Jeff could go join Al Goldstein at the 2nd Avenue Deli. But that is not the case. It is the other way around. That is what makes this so bizzare. You brought this talent on for a reason, listen to them.

  56. DocWeasel stops by the Simon thread to take a cheap shot at JG. I felt that someone should respond, so I wrote:

    So, Dr. Ferret, how surprising to see you here piling on PW.

    Maybe all conservative blogs should invest in your particular method of boosting readership . . . there being no apparent shortage of naked teen butt pictures out there.

    I am awaiting moderation, but I feel better about it now.

  57. Instapundit is very good, I have only watched Glenn and Dr. Helen once or twice on PJM TV and never got through the entire clips. No offense, life is short. Althouse noted she does blogging heads for her, if viewers like it that is fine but it is secondary.

  58. You should be thankful for what you did get – have a little class – and find a new way to make money.

    Thanks, Roger, for throwing some of that rich dude’s money our way!

    After all, it’s not like we gave you anything in return.

    Christ. Again, this is not about a failure of the model. It is about a lack of transparency, a lot of promises that were never kept, and a shabby form letter letting us all know “thanks, but we have professionals hired now. So be gone!”

  59. Hey, listen: Doc Weasel is a cover band. The guy who runs their site, Kenny, is a 140lb unpaid roadie and all around lackey living at home with mom, posting amateur porn and tugging at his own little doc weasel. If I ever run into him, I’ll break him like a toothpick. Beyond that, I have no desire to hear what he has to say.

    Dan is still in touch with him. They’re friends.

    Don’t quite know what to make of that.

  60. you’re now running a vanity site for wannabe journalists.

    Nah, anybody can be a journalist. These people want to be celebrities.

  61. OK, Jeff, so noted.

    Sorry to have engaged him here.

  62. Oh, it’s okay, Cowboy. But he runs his entire site by trying to instigate blog wars. He particularly can’t stand me because, well, why be modest? He wants to be me, and it drives him crazy that he’s not. He tries, but nobody cares. People read him with the hopes that an erect nipple will suddenly poke its way through the prolix prose like a seal’s nose through placid water.

    Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Unless it’s coming from somebody like Kenny at docweasel. Then it’s just sad.

  63. Comment by l on 1/31 @ 4:42 pm #

    I have no idea what’s going on.

    That’s quite obvious.

  64. A ‘bolgshiv,’ huh? I think I need one of those…

    But just to make sure I don’t take a shiv to a gunfight, where can I get a blog-gun?

  65. The situation with PW is making me so sad that I am not going to enjoy tomorrow’s abortion procedures as much as I normally do. :{

  66. PJM headed down the crapper.

    Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving gang of wingnuts!

  67. Obama Should Strike a Blow for Mutt Mavens and Get a Shelter Dog

    I mean journalistically that falls somewhere between the level of Parade magazine and Weekly Reader. Whoever wrote this richly deserves the conservative slot at the New York Times I think. Has damn well earned it, really.

  68. I wanted to like PJM, but it just ain’t working out. I’m just not that into them. Never trust anyone from Hollywood doing business with you, especially when they are or aspire to be “above the line.” All the bloggers who are now PJM signatories haven’t changed much about their content. So what is the point of PJM? Other than mucking up a webpage with slow-loading, annoying blogads. At least Roger paid some bloggers to put up his noxious orange and blue shingles. Now, he’s taking his ball and going home to his gated community. I suppose it was good to take his money while he was spreading it around, but I can’t say he’s done anything that impressive with it. What can I find at PJM that I couldn’t prior to its existence? Not much other than dull talking head videos delivered in a clunky Java proprietary player. If Roger wants to be just another cable channel, then he shows he really hasn’t learned anything profound about the internet as a source of information or entertainment.

    And while he’s a nice enough guy, WTF… Joe The Plumber? I can only dream about what Jeff would have produced with the money Roger wastes on Wurzelbacher.

    I predict the pay per view model of PJTV will end up like the short-lived New York Times Select. Where one had to pay subscription money to read online punditry crap already available from the paper edition. I can get more of the latest news and smart analysis from a varied diet on the intertubes than PJM. And looking around on my own keeps me from getting lazy.

    I want to like Roger, but sometimes he reads like a monied aristocrat, safe in his château, making sardonic pronouncements about the peasantry. One thing the man isn’t, is an outlaw. And honestly, unless you’re really into Hollywood, his bits with Chetwynd (what an aristocratic moniker) are just stale, “inside baseball” industry blather.

  69. “I’m going to go watch The Producers.”

    I suggest that a quiet review of 90210 – Accounting Principles by David Begelman would be more productive. Maybe follow it up with a little Aesop.

  70. That player really is off-putting, and the free stuff needs to be embeddable if they want to have a prayer of tricking a substantial number of people into thinking they’ve got something worth paying for I think. That’s what I would say if someone asked me.

  71. He is taking his product backwards…. linear and away from what makes the internet (blog) dynamic work. Period.

    Too old and set in his ways to realize he is not doing something new, and afraid to adventure beyond what he is already comfortable with.

    Insty works because it is bites and easy sift through. And Jeff works (my only daily blog now for over 4 years) because he breaks rules, experiments, writes amazingly…

    Started reading for the insight… stayed for the Jesusland dispatches. I miss those days.

  72. He uses your names and reputations to legitimize his venture and then calls you the beggars? There really are no words for what a complete twatwaffle douchebag this guy is.

  73. If I may add, how monumentally stupid is it to design a site devoted to video content, and then make the content as hard to get to as possible? If you’re not a subscriber, as 99.9% are, then every time you click on a link you get asked to sign in. But some content is free… although too old to be of much interest. So why bother? And if it is old but still desirable, why is there no obvious link on the home page, in big text, “Free Video?” There is a free video page, but you have to get nagged to subscribe first. And what the fuck with FOUR, count ‘em, four video players? Can you say “unnecessary overhead?” Do you really think that getting a security certificate warning every time you use any player other than basic flash is going reassure viewers? YouTube has done very well with ordinary Adobe Flash Video… and now they have the “HD” version. But I guess since we’re talking intertubes, Roger thinks it’s cool to get all fancy and byzantine with the plumbing.

  74. “Twatwaffle.”

    I’m stealing that. Unapologetically.

  75. Well, fuck…

    I posted this on the other thread but y’all all moved over here… and I read bottom up on the posts so I get the flavor of what happened in the comments.. so

    1)Jeff is posing a what next scenario and 2)PJM’s business model failed and 3)the autopsy is ongoing and 4)we need to birth a viable zombie and 5)find a sugar daddy to help make it worthwhile otherwise all our favorite bloggers don’t have any incentive to keep going cause time=money and 6) it needs to be a worthwhile venture… so how to develop a new main site that makes the failed model unfail… is that it in a nutshell?

    If so…

    Seems to me the nut of the question at this time is … are the bloggers the jump off point or are the topics the jump off point? A site with bloggers listed is going to be just a repository of links with blurbs to each blogger rehashing the same story.

    If the topic/story of the day is the jump off point, with the stories as the focus (and new subject matter being added as the news of the day unfolds) and a group of bloggers (and a diary type area for those who want to post occasionally) contributing to each story with links to the subdiscussions on individual blogs as they want, it seems to me, it has more functionality and serves a true pupose.

    As some one above said, I don’t go to PJM, but I definitely visit individual bloggers who are PJM, so why do I need more than bookmarks on firefox…

    If however, the goal is a central jumping off point to blogs that adds value and a reason to the stop there first, it will need to

    a) get the central stories that are relevant to the movement out b) resolve the “if Ace posted I have to make a post and comment on the same subject, too” duplicity problems solved.

    The problem is that there are lots of conservative sites, but each is a rehash of the same stories of the day. Kinda like living in Sim World with 300K newspapers all reporting on the same traffic accident. It’s just that each blog has developed a flavor and culture that makes you choose blog a over blog b to add your voice to the wilderness…

    The important stories that are found each day, should be the focus of the main site, and the commentary can take differing slants on the information for dissemination. Each new potential jump off for commentary is the seed and as each blogger adds a link/post the story is developed and newer information is added to the original bullet.

    In addition, the main platforms of the movement should have pages and main links that take you to blogger’s pages/websites that flesh out (through posts/comments) the ideas and put more meat on the bones through an understanding of what that platform entails. We are anti-PC is a platform, but what does it mean? Details…. As those are defined, the main site could develop a central platform page that would have a wiki feel to it with the movement’s platforms voted upon (through membership) for inclusion in the overall mission statements.

    If the site were designed as above it WOULD be value added and a reason to visit and would therefore be a nice ad revenue generator; because, it would become the starting point of surfing and not the firefox bookmarks that alot of surfers use.

    Now it just needs seed money, advertising, development, business model (main page generates and percentage doled by click throughs) or some such, and a portal/host… minor issues if the main concept is a value added one… if it’s not, then there is nothing that a PJM type thing site does that will make it profitable, and the concept will fail again.

    Agree/disagree?

  76. Good Lord, what whining.

    If it weren’t self-righteous, it would be entertaining.

    If you have gripes with some guy/organization, gripe to them. This public stuff is shameful.

  77. Actual, this is private stuff available publicly. You aren’t required to read it.

  78. I think it’s interesting.

  79. Stephanie,
    As I said on the other thread I like your Idea of a topic oriented architecture…

    That would also allow the intellectual/academic discussion of topics that are not necessarily in the news on a particular day also…

    Great Idea!

  80. Jeff,
    What do you think of Stephanie’s organizational idea?

  81. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

  82. ‘feets – that’s ‘intellectually’ interesting rather than ‘I can see the revenue stream’ interesting, right? (Stephanie, I’m not dissing the idea, I just don’t quite see the dollars.)

  83. Speaking strictly as an interested observer, I’d like to invite those disinterested, or those reading for purely prurient reasons to piss off, because it’s shameful.

  84. I think the question is salient.. is there value added in a PJM site or not? If not, the whole business model fails – IF you are running it as a for profit business only. If however, you want to develop a network for the development of conservative and classical liberal ideas to gain exposure and converts to the cause, then you need to find funding from ads, grants from think-tanks and whatever, to help support the cause until it is viable. And that means it needs to be reformed as a PAC or something that is a different not-for-profit model…

  85. Don’t worry, Jeff. Obama will force hookers to take food stamps.

    So, we’ll be okay.

  86. oh. Rick – I meant interesting as opposed to self-righteous (#77) … Steph’s idea is well thought-out but if you look at the categories to the right you’ll see that the category thing doesn’t seem to stick in practice. That would be my only comment cause you know how I feel about change. I can deal with change if it happens but I’m not going to encourage it or anything. When change happens things are different as a consequence. That hardly ever goes well.

  87. forgot the last part…

    but can have independent bloggers paid as contractors (based on clicks or something) that would be the PACs employee base so to speak, and it develops a business model that satisfies both sides of the equation. Donations could be generated via paypal, grants from other conservative/libertarian PACs and other “sugardaddies” to fund the costs of the main site. Ads would or would not be needed, but could offset or supplement the $$ from the sugardaddies.

  88. oh. The categories are to the left. Right? I pledge allegiance… yup, definitely left.

  89. Click here for a larger image of Michael Phelps smoking a cannabis pipe

    That’s pitiful of … whatever that website is. Our new pezzydent was a bigtime pothead at the same age, and his career is going ok by all accounts. No worries I don’t think.

  90. I have nothing against Phelps enjoying a bong hit. Most of us did the same when we were in college and high school. I know it will cost him some ad contracts, but you are right he will come back fine.

  91. HF,

    I’m not talking about tags on the sidebar… I’m talking about the stories themselves aggregated on the central page (added by website admins or something as they happen/are reported/are updated) which as more bloggers post to them (high profile stories) they are moved to panels on the front page with links to a page that aggregates the posts other bloggers have written and links to their sites with comments on those pages. As the stories mature they are moved to daily pages. Fully searchable and linkable within the framework of the site, so I could write a blog entry and search for and provide a link to a blog entry on Susie’s blog that supports or updates my post.

    There would have to be a web administrator that would control content movement (but not content) who would determine how to categorize the news stories/content and index it accordingly.

  92. oh. I get it. That sounds smart. But … it still sounds like change. I want things to go back to how they were… you know, in the past. Talking oatmeal. Psycho. That stupid Beauchamp guy. MayBee.

    I think I’m gonna cry.

  93. Just began visiting this site a few months ago and have found it most interesting of all I’ve read. If I stop buying the weekend NYT I could donate a small amount every month. Would it help?

  94. Thanks, paisana, for your kind offer. Someday we may be broke enough to ask, but for the moment we’re going to look for ways to shoulder on.

  95. Not buying the NYT is always helpful I think.

  96. HF.. classical liberal/conservative ideas in scope with the stories of the day blogged upon by bloggers in that genre…

    Drudge writ large with not just a headline and a link to the WaPo (like he does), but also with an aggregation of CLC (Classical Liberal Conservative) posts that are multiple bylines underneath to those blogposts and comments. All info on any given idea/ story neatly packaged on the topic showing JG’s commentary on the subject (plus Ace, Gateway, MM, whoever else joins the website) but all conjoined and searchable so that it is one nice database of CLC commentary and blog comments… and an evolving wiki to showcase the movement as it takes stands on the important things (foreign policy, smaller govt, education, etc).

    Think marriage of websites to database design…indexed and searchable.

  97. It sounds neat. And I think you and ajacksonian are on the same page. I think this was a response to your idea. He put a lot of thought into it, looks like.

  98. It is kind of a change, but the question of what to replace PJM and viability is the issue. The support of the blogs that the PJM model was supposed to promote that are left with no promotion is the issue, too. Not changing the output, but coordinating it with others of like mind and focus for a viable new model that would be marketable to funding (either ads or think tanks) and would actually serve a need to the consumer. As it stands now, it is proven that the PJM model of support and consumption is not the answer.

  99. Yes, HF, Jeffersonian’s comment is the direction I have been proposing. As you can tell, I have been thinking about this for a while…

    It is amusing to watch the WaPo post a story about Geithner and then watch it migrate across the internet through the CLC blogs. But it is aggravating to have to keep returning to each blog I read to see if they have picked up something from another source that another blog hasn’t that advances the story (which the other blogs then pick up). Funny, vicious cycle that way. And not time efficient or story efficient.

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  101. Feet: Buying the times is prudent, nicht wahr? Just counting on an early warning from Torquemada.

  102. I clicked on the PJM link. I’ve never visited their website before. So Roger is the dumbass who sent Joe-the-knobhead to Gaza. PJM’s blogs are written by whining fuckin’ losers.

    Fuck ‘em, they got nothing.

  103. You know what thought keeps recurring to me, paisana? That psycho went quiet cause for real he sensed a shift of some kind. That’s an unsettling thought, but he never said that and could have his own reasons I guess.

    I think something will evolve, Stephanie. Probably. Unless the Internet gets a doctrine of teh fairness. But PW enduring for a bit is what I think is paramount. Other blogs aren’t as important, and even if they are I hardly ever read them. Not regularly. But it’s right after the election and PJM calls it quits as far as supporting diverse right of center voices goes. Sure the economy sucks, but don’t tell me that’s not creepy. Cause it’s creepy.

  104. “Buying the times is prudent”

    The Sunday Times magazine is useless as a bird cage liner.

  105. thor, that’s a very negative attitude I think. Mr. Vodka is amiable enough even though I don’t like his new picture or his masthead. I read his liveblogging of the debates… he did as good a job as anyone I think. And the Jennifer Rubin one, she’s unobjectionable. And people seem to like the Mr. Victor Davis Hanson guy. He has three names, you know. You just have the one little one. Just something to think about.

  106. #Comment by Y.G. Brown on 1/31 @ 4:30 pm #

    Heh… I love the righteous meltdown. More, please.

    Sorry, still too busy laughing my head off about Air America.

  107. But the Saturday crossword puzzle is a nice little diversion , though a bit too pricey, I concede, considering the value of the vehicle that carries it.

  108. Air America, they are what did that dopey stuff what starred Mel Gibson that was remade by that Frankenstein and Giraffealo chick but dopier with more funner crimes and stuff? Mel was way more responsible behind the wheel and didn’t leave spittle on the dashboard and flop sweat in the upholstery.

  109. paisana… try crosswords on line. Cheaper and on demand. Also no messy inky fingers either.

    I love puzzle-zone. com, too.

  110. “So Roger is the dumbass who sent Joe-the-knobhead to Gaza.”

    But Pinch sent Maureen & Paul to America.

  111. I can’t stand the NYT crossword cause the annoying guy that writes it is on NPR every week and even though I haven’t listened to them in a couple months anything associated with them still makes me cringe. He always tells these dorky little anecdotes about his puzzle adventures to the crone that usually hosts that segment. Unbelievably twee little man.

  112. Jeez the NPR still does the puzzle guy thing. So Bill Clinton.

  113. Don’t listen to NPR. I thought that Truman Capote guy was the platonic twee little man. I think the crossword person is the one who looks like Thomas Dewey.

  114. No bashing Thomas Dewey. He went up against the ODR.

  115. Stephanie,

    I love the framework you are proposing. I do think we have been seeing a consolidation of blogs, like Hot Air. Former bigger names in our circle joining forces. I think you are saying something like that but with the individual sites still around for the community (VERY important in this epoch of the ‘sphere) and personal touch. That is what makes Jeff’s work different from Ace… but who I do still read occasionally (but would never have found without his work with Jeff in the nascent videoblog ventures). Really… would the Martha Stewart chronicles ever make the front page of PJM?

    So the storefront site… with communal discussion and anterooms for the nontraditional/ backpages. One suggestion… maybe. A Digg kind of system for the stories that will find the top through communal natural selection. I think such things occur organicly anyway, but it allows an additional level of interaction with the providers.

    Oh… one other thing. About PW…. it is the transparency that makes it mean more. It is what sets it apart from even Insty’s site (no comments be here). Thank you Jeff. you are the only blog I have ever supported directly with my wallet.

  116. Would never bash Dewey. Descendant of Remnants.

  117. But then again McCain went up against ODR and Lincoln. So there’s that. But I think Dewey was ok because he was part of “The Forgotten Man” sexist loser.

  118. “PJM’s blogs are written by whining fuckin’ losers.”

    I assume that wouldn’t apply to Richard Fernandez or Glenn Reynolds either?

  119. I just got laid off from my job. I worked hard, but the jerks in management screwed everything up and now I’ve got no money coming in.

    So? Do you think the world owes you a living? Suck it up, cut back on expenses, find another job, and this time pay attention so you don’t get caught the same way. Better yet, statt your own business so you’re in control. You know, entrepreneur isn’t a dirty word, even if it is French.

    You don’t understand. I was a right-wing Pajama blogger.

    Oh, you poor thing. I feel so bad for you. It’s all Obama’s fault

  120. ” It’s all Obama’s fault”

    Noooo It is Bush’s fault.

  121. Poor Mike, standing around with his dick in his hand and not a clue.

  122. Think marriage of websites to database design…indexed and searchable

    Stephanie

    I believe I understand what you’re talking about and the ideas are very good.

    IMO I believe that was kind of what PJM was supposed to be about – an aggregate of invited bloggers who would keep their own blogs but be excerpted onto a frontend site – indexed and promoted.

    The product certainly never lived up to its pre-market billing.

  123. Mr. Reynolds isn’t an Xpress blogger. Presumably he’s off the island now too. That doesn’t seem right but that’s what Roger said. Richard Fernandez… oh – he’s the Belmont guy. No whiny loser, he. I guess thor’s talking about the network bloggers not the ones that are staying on payroll. Or maybe both.

    I don’t get Mike’s point. That doesn’t sound like realistic dialog to me.

  124. Stephanie to make it interesting I’d split the page and put leftist takes on the same stories, and stories each side are covering a lot but the other is ignoring. Would make for interesting reading and pull in more eyeballs.

  125. TO make it work you’d have to have a tag system ala technorati that would crawl around the internet and find posts with that tag and aggregate them. I would prefer to see any blogger available if they will proclaim themselves left or right then some filtering done at the site to membership, because a lot of good smaller bloggers might get ignored or missed for big names. The blogosphere really is about the long tail, it’s the zillion little sites that make it work, not the handful of gigantic ones.

  126. I don’t know when but Roger updated his post and said oh. Sorry about the dole thing. Also he said that all he’s trying to do is preserve democracy so leave off.

  127. but don’t tell me that’s not creepy

    Happy, all it means is that some wealthy right wingers have been subsidizing the entire right wing blogosphere for the past 4 years and decided to pull the plug after the latest trouncing.

    It’s not personal(or creepy)…it’s

  128. Our socialist climate change pansy media is checked by what exactly? Less than it was before Baracky Soros Chavez sauntered his dirty socialist ass into the Oval Sauna. That is not a healthy thing.

  129. Aaah, accusations that Soros was funding the left wing blogosphere now looks like a terminal case of projection, what?

  130. Daily Kos made over a million bucks in revenue for 2008.

    Stings, don’t it? The Free Market, pretty much writing off the conservative blogosphere for good?

  131. oh. No, not really. Soros does fund a lot of the dirty socialist blogosphere and other Internet stuff. That and his beauty treatments are what he spends most of his money on.

  132. “accusations that Soros was funding the left wing blogosphere now looks like a terminal case of projection, what?”

    Roger L.Simon looks like an easy mark for the Soros influence game.

  133. “And people seem to like the Mr. Victor Davis Hanson guy. He has three names, you know.”

    I just bought two of his books.

    Yep, all three names on both covers.

  134. Two names good. Three names better I think.

  135. Daily Kos made over a million bucks in revenue for 2008.

    Sweet. So that’ll be like $750K in taxes paid, right?

  136. Im pretty happy PW is away from those guys.
    A crap model, fused to flying-by-their-pants, meets the immovable force of economic tailspin. Tell me how you aren’t better off?
    You and Dan are funny as hell, honest and decent…Darleen is all of that and astute in a loyal GOP way….whatever this becomes, it will be better off without them.

    caveat: Im in the MSM, so what do I know?

  137. I guess you miss my point, happy.

    Somewhere, somehow, somebody has decided that, on the whole, the right wing blogosphere has cost the Republicans more votes than it generated.

  138. Comment by parsnip on 1/31 @ 9:51 pm #

    You’re a moron, alphie.

    I thoght I’d jut point that out.

  139. Just come out and say it snippy. It’s Bush’s fault. C’mon, you know you want to.

  140. Comment by parsnip on 1/31 @ 10:18 pm #

    You’re a fucking idiot, alpo.

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  142. I’d like to add to that N’O but I can’t think of anything that would sum it up any better than you did. Brevity and all that…

  143. Thanks.

  144. No Brain,

    I think you just proved my point.

  145. Happy, all it means is that some wealthy right wingers have been subsidizing the entire right wing blogosphere

    No it doesn’t. All it means is that a CEO with no discernible management or people skills handled the reaction to a “reduction in force” notification really badly.

    I don’t think Jeff was out of line posting the letter here. And believe it or not, even “Conservatives” are allowed to get pissed off when they get fired. In fact, it would be weird if they didn’t. What shouldn’t happen, is what happened over on RLS’s blog, where he publically told the people he laid off to kiss his ass, even if he was thinking it.

    Seriously, that guy needs an HR manager to run interference for him in the worst way. No “CEO” in their right mind would call the people they were letting go out like that in public, even if they truly believed that all they were doing was cutting dead wood.

    At any rate, it is probably a net benefit for Jeff that he did run that post, one of the first things you should do when you get laid off is to let people know you’ve been let go. Hell, I did it here just last January and the way this year’s going I may just do it again. No one will know you are looking for work (or available for a new contract) unless you tell them.

    As for PJM’s business model, I have no idea what it was supposed to be, the site wasn’t done well, it wasn’t a pleasant place to browse and I gave up going there very soon after it came up. Of the sites I regularly visit, half ended up PJM and half didn’t. A small group turned into extremely vocal PJM critics. I could’ve cared less. Like I said, the site sucked ass.

    I’ll tell you this, the “Right Wing” is too diverse a group to all end up aggregated at one or two clearinghouse portals. The Huffington and Kos models won’t work on us and I’ll tell you why: most of us don’t like being told what to do, what to say or how to say it. I, and most other “conservatives” don’t need to know what someone like Rush Limbaugh thinks about anything.

    If we listen to Limbaugh, or whomever the fucking talking heads have anointed our “Leader” today, it’s because that guy agrees with us. And that’s a lot more fun than some jackass telling us how we should all just suck it up and behave because he’s the asshole in charge.

    OUTFUCKINGLAW!

  146. ‘course I may be off base. But fuck it, I don’t give a shit what the GOP thinks of me.

    Two names good. Three names better I think

    Unless the middle one is Wayne. That’s some bad juju right there.

  147. In order for him to prove your point you would have to have a point, and it becomes more and more apparent that you do not. Other than you hate Bush.

  148. …I don’t think I’ve ever posted here before, so just to start out, thanks Jeff, and the other folks for some fantastic writing. There’s really nothing that compares to this site in how it uses language. Ace is a blast, but I come here for some heady opiates (the opium helps me pretend that I actually understand what’s being discussed). And the clever whimsy makes me feel exquisitly festive and upper crusty.

    That being said, the internet revenue model sucks. I’m more guilty than anyone. The only ads I’ve ever clicked on are those with hot chicks in conservative tees. And once I realized that the only picture of ‘hot chicks in conservative tees’ were the ones in the original click ad, I stopped clicking.

    Unless we begin to pay for content browsing the same way that we pay for internet access, this model will ultimately collapse for everyone. Blogging is a labor of love, and for the writer of the blog, that love affair gets pretty tired and mundane after a few years of doing it. Any sites that survive will follow the DUmmies model. A community of morons who put 98% percent of their posting intelligence into their ten-word post heading so as not to unduly tire the brains or index fingers of their fellow browsers.

    I recommend this, Jeff, et. al. Use your blog simply as a way to drum up a paying audience for more traditional means of generating revenue, a.k.a., publishing a book, hosting a radio show, etc. (the etc., is meant to imply (falsely) that I have in mind dozens of other traditional ways for you to generate income but am just to lazy to enumerate them).

    Take a blog like Hog On Ice (now renamed I see, toolsofrenewal), used to be one of my favorite blogs, great writer, great sense of humor, poor guy, just trying to keep in touch with his audience.

    Stop thinking that you’re going to make money with this. You, my fine man, Jeff and Dan and other, have a real gift of language. Here’s an idea. Consider writing/collecting a series of essays and publishing them. By divvying up the work, you could have a fantastic medium sized volume in no time. Put a hot chick in a conservative tee on the cover and you might actually recover your publishing advance plus some bong n beer change. THAT’S how you’ll make some money. Goodness, David Sedaris, liberal tool that he is, makes a mint on a bunch of made up (yes, made up, my sister does the same thing, tells stories of our upbringing to everyone, but they’re completely, absolutely untrue except for maybe one tiny nugget) funny essays.

    The model is dead. But we all will be the poorer if all of our favorite bloggers are too unimaginative to understand that this is nothing more than a coffee shop for all of us like-minded people to meet. START PUTTING YOUR OWN FREAKING MERCHANDISE UP BY THE REGISTER. WE’LL BUY IT AND YOU’LL BE HAPPY.

    Thanks for your time :P

  149. Who’s Bush?

    Oh, those guys that used to be President a long time ago?

    What do they have to do with anything?

  150. So let me get this straight. I finally discover another use for my computer, other than to check weather, and now you are going away?
    And it seems that I have missed Jeff again.

  151. Somewhere, somehow, somebody has decided that, on the whole, the right wing blogosphere has cost the Republicans more votes than it generated.

    False modesty will bet you nowhere.

  152. Mel,

    That gizmo I gave you also has a phone. Use it!

  153. Somewhere, somehow, somebody has decided that… well, Roger Simon specifically, has decided that the advertising environment for right of center blogs is not good going forward… He had this epiphany after a quite recent dirty socialist ascendancy. This is what I see is all. I said already that yeah, the economy is what it is… but what I’m not seeing is a rationale or justification for ever having created a remuneration model that was not scaled to revenue. Did they for real do that? I guess it’s possible. Overhead is overhead. But still, without knowing more I’d suspect that there may have been a judgment made that right of center content is a sell what is going to get harder. If you’ve followed the bouncing ball on Prop 8 and other intimidation tactics the left discussed during the campaign then I think you just have to wonder what people in Mr. Simon’s position hold as a read on the business climate going forward. They seemed to have decided that subscription revenue is the future. The left of the blogosphere hasn’t reached that conclusion. So how dead is the model? I dunno. Too many variables.

    DMackie has good thoughts. I like the leave no stone unturned type of thinking. You gotta do what you gotta do. People get that, by and large, and the dirty socialist economy what is upon us will soften objections of thems who are turned off by crass commercialisms or whatever.

  154. I agree that the right side is like wrangling cats. But, the entire point of this exercise is finding common ground that we develop into a platform for retrieving the CLC from the wilderness.

    I said nothing about restricting the content of the main site. I was just modeling the site on the fact that everyone tends to be talking about alot of the same topics each day and that that would be what should be the jump off point for discussions at the various blogs. I don’t see a need for restrictions on what is linked in on the bylines as far as who gets linked (the more the merrier), but it would probably be best to let the blogs percolate to the top of each byline, based on comments or something like that. So that a blog that is getting alot of activity generated at its site for a particular topic would be byline 1 and so on with the first twenty sites on the main page and a click through for paged aggregation by ranking.

    The topics would not be predetermined but would be driven by both news of the day and other things that are of interest to the CLC side of the sphere. The main site could also be set up with tabs for PC, Education, Economics, Taxes, Family Matters, etc. so that topics would have places to be categorized and easily located.

    It is a big endeavor to have one done this way, but it can be done. You would have a database running in the background on the blog (think of it like inventory) where the categorizing and indexing of blogs would occur. When you clicked on the main page to a blog byline, it would come up as it normally does, but the database would be fed by the post and would populate the categories and subject matter and other factors. The ETL would be the biggest headache, I think.

    Think, share, and decide if this is something for further discussion and fleshing out or if I am just on a fool’s errand with this idea.

  155. Poor Mike, standing around with his dick in his hand and not a clue.

    That’s Darleen’s dick in the invisible hand.

  156. Jeff,

    I don’t know if you will read this, but here goes. Rage against this for a day and then move on. Wake up tomorrow and begin planning for your future. I recently got kicked to the curb after many years at a fairly high level of a fortune 500 company. It is a terrible feeling, but don’t take it personally. I agree that the CEO of PJM handled the whole affair terribly. If nothing else, I hope he realizes his need for a competent HR Mgr.

    You are a very talented person and you will catch on somewhere else quickly. I know it doesn’t seem that way now, but it is true. You only have to look at the reaction of those here to know I speak the truth. You have a following. How many in your profession would kill to have the readership of PW? Many here today have given you suggestions as to how to proceed. Many more have pledged financial support. You only have to harness that and harness it you will.

    In sum, today was a setback, but not the end. You know that. We all do.

  157. That’s Darleen’s dick in the invisible hand.

    That makes no sense whatsoever.

  158. No “CEO” in their right mind would call the people they were letting go out like that in public

    Like Alberto Gonzales did about the US Attorneys? You’re right. It could be worse, though; at least the bloggers didn’t have PJM stock in their 401Ks.

  159. HF,

    I agree. Why is it that every Dave and Mike on the internet is a total dick?

  160. Alberto Gonzales was the Attorney General, not a CEO. US attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president, or did you not get that far in the talking points.

  161. Pretty sure that talking point will go under the bus as soon as His Oneness starts firing US attorneys.

  162. Shouldn’t you trolls be out working on that free gas and mortgage thing?

    Obama got 52%, which implies that he’d better not piss off more than 2 percent of the voters before the House comes up for reelection next year.

    The entire House.

    The House that controls all spending bills.

  163. Is there someone else in here? ‘Cause I sure don’t see anybody.

  164. I beg to differ.

    Something tells me that begging is your line of work. Into the bin you go.

  165. Spies,

    Once again your script comes in handy. I know there is no nobel for it, but your work is much appreciated!

  166. one of the few ironclad rules of the business he wanted to join

    oh please. Tom Cruise jumped on Oprah’s couch and Paramount was all like you go away Mr. Cruise we don’t want you but now he not only sleeps with Katie he also still gets paid a lot of money to be in movies where he gets to look very serious and never has to take off his shirt cause he has a thing about that. Jeff is way more brillianter than Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is a stupid scientologist. But the point is that the ability to draw an audience is valuable. Roger Simon knows that as well as anybody. And my guess is that Roger Simon also knows that Jeff is good people and wishes him well.

  167. To all of you who seem to be taking pleasure in someone elses pain, I’ll say this. Enjoy it while it lasts. It never does. Soon enough it will be your ox being gored. I’ve been on this earth long enough to recognize a charlatan when I see one. We now have one in the Oval Office. It won’t last.

  168. In Soviet Russia, you pay Roger Simon to run ads!

  169. Hey, what’s Plastic Jesus doing about those one million people without power in the middle of winter?

    Heckuva job, Barky!

  170. This is just really interesting to read about the Pajamas. I wish all media thingers were this messy and public.

  171. Isn’t it a little revealing that Mr. Simon’s thread on this subject didn’t score even close to 100 comments? I think it’s a little revealing.

  172. Jeff,

    I’ve worked in advertising and at a startup and have a lot of exposure to how ad networks run…and Simon’s explanation makes absolutely no sense. Why? Because no VC worth their salt would ever agree to a strategy that paid out more money than was coming in for an ad network model. It’s different in other ventures like emerging tech where you’re going for acquisition, but PJM had a revenue stream immediately and could have easily managed expectations about how much money they were paying out.

    Basically, when ad networks pay less money they simply cut back on how much they pay folks. Sure, that may ruffle some feathers, but everybody would rather make something than have the rug pulled out from under them.

    By my calculations, PJM’s ad network charged an average $5.50 CPM, and with a claimed 29,000,000 impressions every month in their network that makes a $1.9M take every year. But that would mean 100% capacity utilization. So let’s say they only had 50% cap utl. They’re still at nearly $1M a year. Plenty of money to pay 20 so bloggers a nice amount every quarter and still have enough left over for a tidy profit after operating costs.

    I have more about it here:
    http://donklephant.com/2009/01/31/where-did-the-pajamas-media-money-go/

    In any event, sorry this happened to you. Simon’s response was truly classless and strikes me as the type of thing somebody who’d not being forthright would say.

  173. Hey, what’s Plastic Jesus doing about those one million people without power in the middle of winter?

    Well, if they would start eating each other and murdering babies in the KentuckySuperDome then perhaps Shep and Geraldo would cover it.

    Sarc///

  174. Divide 1,000 by 100,000 and multiply that number (100) by the CPM rate ($1). Result = $100.

    Think you got your math backwards there Justin.

  175. hf,

    What happened to psycho and maybee? I noticed ages ago that they stopped posting, but I don’t know the backstory.

  176. No stories really. psycho made a vow of silence that he never explained but it was just a personal decision I think. It might be that his supersmartness was drawing more attention than he was comfortable with I think. MayBee I think is not fond of our trolls. Also she wasn’t really comfortable with a sort of general lack of respect for Mr. McCain that was at times prevalent here, but she never really stated any reason. I just miss them is all. And TMJ seems to have gone somewheres too. But he got a new job recently so that might explain that. JD doesn’t much like our trolls either but he still comes around sometimes.

  177. We free marketers aren’t complaining that the business model failed. We’re upset (well, I am, at least) that the outfit was run into the ground by those who, to this day, can’t even articulate what it is they hope PJM to become, and who wasted the talents of a lot of popular average Joes in order to pay marquee names to post choppy versions of already syndicated columns — all in a complete 180 from what we were told PJM was about when we signed on.

    I have to say this is pretty much true, but in no way want to give credit to that cloaked ed the peasant weirdo or whatever his name was. He would be able to gloat if he weren’t such a despicable person himself and learned the tenets of class and keeping ones mouth shut and like, karma.

    PJM morphed from what it stated it wanted to be to some other being.

    Anyway, the good/bad news is, Arrianna’s investors just supplied a villain with like a 25 million zero return turkey.

  178. Anyone seen Maggie?

  179. parsnip, you’re right, but I think you know what I mean. $1CPM results in $100 for 100,000 page views.

    Fixed.

  180. not tonight, NC, but she’s around

  181. Happyfeet,

    Next time you see her please tell her Mel asked about her. Her and RTO. Thanks.

  182. Well, I’ve contributed my 2 cents. If Jeff or any other bloggers want to hash this further, I’m game, and Jeff knows where to reach me. I just think the Fedora’s model was wrong. On many levels. The website was not a value added commodity on the web.

    And he forgot the most basic point of business… Make the customer happy. The readers are the customers, and the content is the product, not the bloggers. The bloggers are the vehicle for quality content. Without that as the mission statement, the model fails.

  183. sure will NC

  184. It’s cute to see you dismiss things you can’t respond to sensibly as “talking points”. Or don’t you recall that David Iglesias was being a good soldier until Gonzales stupidly (yes, that is redundant) said he was fired for poor performance. That’s not even an anti-Bush point; you guys are just programmed to attack anything you think smells of the “other side”.

  185. OK Mike. The President can fire US attorneys at any time for any reason. Clinton did it. So did Bush. So did Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, ad infinitum. No doubt Obama will as well. Will you be as fired up when that happens? Doubtful. Cast your scorn on Gonzales all you want, but it is the right of the executive. You will hear nary a peep from me when Obama exercises that privilege.

  186. Was that “Sensible” enough for you, Mike?

  187. Joe, that’s been in a mayonnaise jar outside Funk & Wagnalls’ porch since noon today and the contents are ripe with botulism. Besides – Karmak is dead.

  188. Hey Joe,

    Semper Fi Mac!

  189. Justin,

    I think most people are interested in an annual income figure.

    Using your numbers, 274 page views /day = $100 a year income.

    PW currently gets 15,594 page views a day, so that should be worth about $5600 a year?

    Anchoress gets about the same number of visitors as PW and she said she was making a little over $4000 a year from her blog.

    So you’re in the ballpark.

  190. Comment by Stephanie on 2/1 @ 1:47 am #

    Joe, that’s been in a mayonnaise jar outside Funk & Wagnalls’ porch since noon today and the contents are ripe with botulism. Besides – Karmak is dead.

    Stephanie: I have not checked under Roger’s nooksack (nor do I have any intention of doing so), but I assume you know better what going on there. But I can tell the stench of rot from some distance away.

    And Bid D, Semper Fi back to you.

  191. I gather Joe is a brother Marine?

  192. Was that “Sensible” enough for you, Mike?

    No, because it’s non-responsive. Igelsias didn’t say anything about the ethically questionable pressure he got (and resisted) to time an indictment to influence an election until Gonzales said that he (Iglesias) was fired for poor performance. Ergo, Gonzales saying that was really, really stupid. That’s bloody obvious. Just like, if Simon hadn’t used the word “dole”, he wouldn’t have created so much ill will. That’s why the comparison is relevant.

    But you just have to take that as a cue to defend Bush and attack Obama. That’s why you’re a silly person.

  193. OK you didn’t attack Obama. My bad.

  194. Again, Mike, US attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President. Careful what you say now as there are dismissals coming on the part of the Obama administration. Those dismissals will be well within his right as executive.

  195. I typed that before I saw your 198. My position still stands though. Obama can fire any US attorney he likes, including Fitzgerald, although that would look bad.

  196. Yes, Joe was a Marine, Mel.


  197. Comment by NC on 2/1 @ 1:14 am #

    Anyone seen Maggie?

    When the wind blows bunnies!

  198. I don’t think I like you thor.

  199. OK, Big D. I don’t want to cross-examine you, but I’d appreciate an answer to this question:

    Was it stupid of Gonzales to say that Iglesias was fired for “performance problems”, rather than to stick to “a US Attorney serves at the president’s pleasure” and decline to give a specific reason? Because my only point was that volunteering an insult to Igelsias was really stupid.

  200. Wouldn’t worry too much about him, Mel.

  201. Semper Fi!

  202. Mike,

    You won’t get me to defend Gonzales on much of anything. Yes, he would have been better off saying that they are gone, well just because we wanted them gone. That whole mess was avoidable. However, Obama will be terminating US attorneys. Will those terminations receive the same scrutiny?

  203. That sounded sarcastic, thor.

  204. I see Mike, Horrible Leftist, and parsnip bought one of Smykowski’s “Jump to Conclusions Mats.”

    I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!!!

  205. Obama owns teh intertubes!

    I SPANK YOUR MOM!

  206. Obama will be terminating US attorneys. Will those terminations receive the same scrutiny?

    If any of them have been asked to do something unethical (or partisan) by the Obama administration and terminated only after refusing, I hope they come forward.

  207. Whoever passes up the chance to send Dick Cheney down a stairwell in his wheelchair should be terminated do to preformance.

  208. do = due

  209. I do too, Mike, and I hope it would be afforded the same level of scrutiny that these received.

  210. I gave up on your generation in 68 thor. You will never understand.

  211. Thor is like that, Mel. Worry not.

  212. What are you doing up thor?

    Trading obscure foreign currency?

    Buying conflict diamonds?

    Trolling from IHOP?

    You better hurry. That #7 bus to Douchville ain’t gonna catch itself.

  213. OK, NC, don’t ask don’t tell.

    At least spell Doucheville like you know how to spell douche, douche.

  214. From his wheelchair, Dick Cheney would punt your diapered ass into orbit.

    Just so he’d have plenty of free time to contemplate the best way to kill you.

    All while playing a pick-up game of “murder ball.”

    And eating a sandwich.

  215. “At least spell Doucheville like you know how to spell douche, douche.”

    Heh. So you do know the way home.

    Excellent. Nite nite.

  216. That wasn’t NC that called you that thor. That was Lamont, although I laughed when I read it. NC is probably gone to bed, but I’ll tell you thor, you don’t have a thing to say to that man. A recipient of the Navy Cross on Iwo Jima, he has done more to fight true facism than you will ever know. Construct your strawmen and do battle, thor. Mel actually fought for your freedom when it was truly in jeopardy. You owe him and his like more than scorn.

  217. I’d box Dick’s ears until he begged me to answer the red phone.

    I had two great uncles who didn’t make it back from WW2 to ask for claps to their backs like lucky-dog Mel. Save your self-elevating Tickle-me-Elmo lectures, worm fucker.

  218. Sleep well NC.

    And thank you.

  219. Try not to wet your bed, hick.

  220. Can we have your two great uncles back in exchange for you?

  221. Wow.

    You must get punched in the face a lot thor.

    You really are fucking disgusting.

  222. So you had two uncles in warII.. Evidently the good genes skipped a generation.

  223. We all know you don’t care who you attack, so please leave Mel alone, thor.

    LOOK!! OVER HERE!! I’m a Christian, Republican, Sarah Palin fan! I love her because she’s smart about geography, and she kicked Couric’s ass, and, and, and, she’s got class…

  224. Roger Simon institutes wingut welfare reform.

  225. One should never rouse the wrath of mild and conservative men. They are slow to anger, but once aroused, they are notoriously difficult to placate.

  226. Pingback: Donklephant » Blog Archive » Pajamas Media Fallout Continues

  227. D Mackie in #150 is wrong (click campaigns aren’t even close to the majority of ad campaign types) but Justin Gardner in #176 makes good points.

    It’s simple: You make money with page views. You’re paid to brand brands (forget about clicks for now) by posting advertising on those many pages. This is the CPM model — the cost per thousand ad impressions you charge your advertiser.

    Ad click campaigns are CPC — cost per click. Ad rev share campaigns are CPA, or cost per acquisition. The terms vary but you (1) get paid posting ads, paid (2) for the clicks you earn the advertiser, or paid (3) when your audience buys something. Entire premium sites run 100% on CPM impression campaigns. CPC are crap and CPA are pointless.

    What’s odd is that a host simply doesn’t offer to pay out a share of the best ad campaign fees its negotiations produce, regardless. There’s no profit in a no-risk equation like that?

    Justin:

    By my calculations, PJM’s ad network charged an average $5.50 CPM, and with a claimed 29,000,000 impressions every month in their network that makes a $1.9M take every year. But that would mean 100% capacity utilization. So let’s say they only had 50% cap utl. They’re still at nearly $1M a year. Plenty of money to pay 20 so bloggers a nice amount every quarter and still have enough left over for a tidy profit after operating costs.

    While $5.50CPM is light for roughly 30mm page views a month (a day ago I’d estimated 25mm pages/mo in the host portal alone, not counting the blogs linked in) this makes sense except for hitting 100% rotation at one ad per page. Sites routinely offer 8 to 12 ad spots a page the size and density of that one, typically filling the top four to six on any given day with $5-20 CPM ads. Any blog associate can publish four ads as well. I can’t imagine a 50% rotation when 400% is likely.

    Because here’s what you do when money isn’t coming in…cut back on how much you pay your bloggers. It’s a pretty simple formula and one that every other ad network online has figured out. Also, very few of the PJM network bloggers were actually making a living off of this thing, nor did they expect to. So instead of shuttering the entire operation, Simon could have easily just cut back on how much money he was paying out.

    []

    So going back to why this doesn’t add up…either Simon paid bloggers more than they actually made, which is INCREDIBLY dumb, or he’s lying and just wants to focus on PJTV, which I think is probably a lot more likely. Also, the PJM news portal will remain as is with staff to support it. So where do you think the money to start up PJTV and keep PJM going came from? It doesn’t make ANY financial sense to shut off the ad network and keep the other sites going.

    Again: Why not take hundreds of millions of pages a year, multiply by even three ads a page — leaderboard and left and right margins — possibly multiply again by the blogger’s cumulative pages, and offer each blogger a rate share that floated on your own negotiations over a fairly substantial 3-5mm pages a year, plus? Just saying the “business model” doesn’t work raises eyebrows when you’re leaving a pile of dough on the table and making up for it by cutting your pages adrift.

  228. “Comment by parsnip on 1/31 @ 10:38 pm #

    No Brain,

    I think you just proved my point.”

    The only point you have, you retarded marmoset, is the one at the top of your head.

  229. “Comment by NC on 2/1 @ 2:28 am #

    I don’t think I like you thor.”

    Nobody likes hor.

    He has the mind of a retarded marmoset and the soul of an NKVD torturer.

    He’s not good enough to lick the sand from your combat boots, NC.

  230. “Comment by thor on 2/1 @ 2:35 am #

    Semper Fi!”

    Fuck off and die, hor.

  231. You are a very talented person and you will catch on somewhere else quickly.

    I think perhaps 10 bloggers have commented on this whose arrangements were terminated by PM. Goldstein’s was the one that was nastily hostile. Everyone else was… rational.

    I doubt he’ll catch on anywhere. Why? Anger management issues, people! Seriously, reputation.. of being a pissy control freak.. gets around. And it has.

    Damn, I enjoyed watching this. And the My Site = Over melodrama! Priceless! Gonna string this out all the way to March before you change your mind?

  232. you are a bunch of mind-numbingly ignorant trailer-trash

  233. Was it stupid of Gonzales to say that Iglesias was fired for “performance problems”, rather than to stick to “a US Attorney serves at the president’s pleasure” and decline to give a specific reason? Because my only point was that volunteering an insult to Igelsias was really stupid.

    Yes, yes it was. That’s my point as well. I don’t understand, should I be disagreeing because the asshole is a Republican? Nobody has said PJM couldn’t fire Jeff, and no one’s calling for anyone to be frogmarched. What we’re saying is, PJM’s response was classless.

    People get upset when they lose their jobs. Sometimes they complain, sometimes they want a better explanation than they’ll ever get, sometimes they’ll blow their severance on tranny hookers and Boone’s Farm (Kiwi-watermelon), and sometimes they’ll vote for the Democrat.

  234. glasnost:

    “nastily hostile”? That’s what you’ve got?

    Your excitement over this is palpable, but really, unless it’s your very first erection, could you quiet down about it a little?

    …and Bratwurst Nightmare…your drool cup is running over again.


  235. Comment by N. O’Brain on 2/1 @ 8:21 am #

    “Comment by thor on 2/1 @ 2:35 am #

    Semper Fi!”

    Fuck off and die, hor.

    Wut wittle wetarded warmoset, how about you who fuck off and die, ya cowardly nub licker.

  236. Hahahaha… calling someone else (a vet, no less) a coward from the anon safety of the internet.

    Bring yourself over here to Baghdad (Camp Victory) and we’ll match-up a bit. Just a friendly sparring match…

    Then we’ll see who the “coward” is.

    Pussy twatwaffle….

  237. What’s a nub licker?

  238. Ha, without a shred of ironic awareness the pussy hides behind his keyboard and calls me a pussy.

    Fuck off.

    Get yourself home in one piece, unlike my father did from Korea, for whom Pussy P’brain mocked, but then denied it, like all pussies tend to do, and yeah, soldier boy, I’ll be more than happy to show you the concrete if you think you’re man enough to fuck with me.

  239. ‘feet, maybe it’s one of those dyslexic typing things. “bun licker” makes more sense to me, you?

  240. thor:

    How is your dad doing? If you’ve given us an update lately, I haven’t caught it. I hope he’s better.

  241. C’mon pussies, just admit it. You’re the first to mock John Kerry or Max Cleland or any vet you disagree with and the, since you are such gaping pussies, wear your uniform as proof of your Republican patriotism.

    It’s what’s your patriotism is all about, being the right type of Rush Limabugh dumb fuckin’ coward’s patriot. Colin Powell called it when he endorsed Obama, you name-calling warriors are simply pathetic.

  242. I’m agnostic I think. I’m prepared to accept that forthwith if it looks like a nub what I will not do is lick it. Starting now. Right now.

  243. oh. Wait one sec. Ok, starting now.

  244. I was ambiguous about nub licking, feet, but you’ve convinced me. Henceforward, I will steadfastly avoid licking of nubs.

  245. He’s on the oxygen now and he’s one, maybe two COPD attacks from the grave. Thanks for asking.

    My Dad never mocked any other vet and never glorified war, never called people a pussy (well, not often, anyway) who had strong opinion. He likes airshows but doesn’t drink his days away at the VFW, matter of fact he’d rather not talk about what he saw, what he went through, rather not go into his opinion of a war which saw our soldiers freeze to death for lack of winter jackets. His opinion begins with what he saw and not some dumbass Alaskan governor’s shiny flag pin romanticism of her son’s national guard duty. I don’t think it’s much fun getting your leg almost blown off and being field dressed in the manner a veterinarian would patch up a horse, from how he tells it, anyway.

    I think my family’s passed the patriotism test and I don’t think I need any lectures of inflated patriotism from a bunch of snake-mean hicks.

  246. Douchnozzle… the only thing he mocked was your dumb ass.

    Love how you try to ride the coat tails of your honorable relatives, because you didn’t have the stones to do anything selfless, honorable, or brave on your own. And I know that you didn’t, because after seeing your endless blathering idiocy on this blog, if you had done anything even remotely like that, you would be crowing like a mofo about it.

    Well, toughguy… if your so billybad, then bring yourself to the warzone and “show me the concrete.” (LOL!)

    What? You’ll wait till I get home? Whattsamatta you? Pussy much?

    Believe me… if the best you can do is slam those widdle fists on your slobber-encrusted keyboard, feebly attempting to prove what a stone cold killer you are…

    Two words. Epic. Fail.

  247. #250

    Yes, your FAMILY passed the patriotism test in spades….

    Too bad you didn’t.

  248. Yeah, pussy, pound that keyboard. Tell us Americans back home what pussies we are. You’re the smart one.

    Better salute that new CiC.

  249. “Get yourself home in one piece, unlike my father did from Korea, for whom Pussy P’brain mocked, but then denied it, like all pussies tend to do, and yeah, soldier boy, I’ll be more than happy to show you the concrete if you think you’re man enough to fuck with me.”

    Not only is hor mindnumbingly stupid, as an extra added bonus, his a fucking liar.

    I never insulted his father, THE WAY HE HAS INSULTED MY CURRENTLY DEPLOYED MARINE SON.

  250. The very fact that this slimemold used “Semper Fi” to insult a hero…..a Marine, a combat veteren is beyond the pale.

  251. Awwww, wittle typical wethuglidum P’brain tinks his boy is his ticket to insult anyone and everyone.

    You’re dumb, P’brain. It shows.

  252. Comment by Baghdad Dewclaw on 2/1 @ 9:19 am #

    Sorry, I’m not a verern.

    Like I said, my son is currently deplyed with 3/8 in Afghanistan.

    And thor can suck my dick.

  253. Semper Fi is an insult?

    That’s a new one, P’brain.

    The last veteran that fucked with me had to go and get his gun to wave in my face. Poor fucker got charged with a felony over a fist fight. Not all vets are very bright.

  254. Comment by thor on 2/1 @ 10:09 am #

    FOAD, slimemold.

  255. …you name-calling warriors are simply pathetic.

    But not as sad as such an utter lack of self awareness.

  256. “Comment by thor on 2/1 @ 10:12 am #

    Semper Fi is an insult?”

    Only when you use it to mock a vertern, pussy.

  257. “The last veteran that fucked with me had to go and get his gun to wave in my face. Poor fucker got charged with a felony over a fist fight. Not all vets are very bright.”

    Ah, the voices in your head are back.

    The meds must be wearing off.

  258. ‘He uses your names and reputations to legitimize his venture and then calls you the beggars?”

    It’s Hollywood. The actual content providers are not only the lowest of the low, they’re resented for being necessary…

  259. But P’brain, you’re in the flag pin brigade. A braver flag pin-wearing pussy I’ve never met.

  260. I think my family’s passed the patriotism test and I don’t think I need any lectures of inflated patriotism from a bunch of snake-mean hicks.

    Please add that to the quote in 260, I should have refreshed.

  261. Comment by thor on 2/1 @ 10:15 am #

    “But P’brain, you’re in the flag pin brigade. A braver flag pin-wearing pussy I’ve never met.”

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what passes for an insult from a slimemold.

    Unintelligent, unoriginal and pitifully weak.

    Go take your meds, hor, your scaring the farm animals with your screeching.

  262. Reminder: thor is a spoiled child who wants your attention.

    If you respond to him, AT ALL, he wins.

    Thanks.


  263. Comment by N. O’Brain on 2/1 @ 10:14 am #

    “The last veteran that fucked with me had to go and get his gun to wave in my face. Poor fucker got charged with a felony over a fist fight. Not all vets are very bright.”

    Ah, the voices in your head are back.

    The meds must be wearing off.

    The state attorney made him write me a letter apologizing to the victim (me!) for his reckless behavior with a loaded firearm. I guess it wasn’t a dream! How humiliating.

    Dear thor, I’m so sorry that my beer belly couldn’t fight for me and that I felt I needed a gun…

  264. “The state attorney made him write me a letter apologizing to the victim (me!) for his reckless behavior with a loaded firearm. I guess it wasn’t a dream! How humiliating.”

    Sure thing, little boy.

    You imagination is wonderful.

    Now go take you meds.

  265. That’s not good about your dad, thor. That’s near enough the same thing as got my dad. And I need to start the Chantix in the morning. oh. N.O.’s son is in Afghanistan where Mr. Biden said there would be a lot more fatalities. There’s no way that doesn’t color your day, when your son is in Afghanistan and Mr. Biden says to expect more fatalities there. I don’t really understand what y’all are arguing about. meya, the dole comment was just tacky is the point, least that’s the way I read it. This weekend is sort less than the sum of its parts I think. Also I was supposed to watch that movie about a guy that thinks he’s a bat and talks to Heath Ledger’s ghost but I have too much work to do.

  266. oh. sort *of* less than the sum of its parts.

  267. So thor insults, baits and pisses folks off, then calls the cops when they call him on it, and somehow thinks that makes him a hero?

  268. So thor insults, baits and pisses folks off, then calls the cops when they call him on it

    Just like his hero Bill Ayers. Another failed son of a rich father.

  269. oh. Judd Gregg is a dirty socialist collaborator. He’s probably licked more than his share of nubs too. I piss on his head I think.

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  271. “So thor insults, baits and pisses folks off, then calls the cops when they call him on it, and somehow thinks that makes him a hero?”

    Brave, Brave Sir Robin!….

    Brave Sir Robin ran away.
    Bravely ran away, away!
    When danger reared its ugly head,
    He bravely turned his tail and fled.
    Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
    And gallantly he chickened out.
    Bravely taking to his feet
    He beat a very brave retreat,
    Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin

  272. Walthor Mitty has morphed into Cinthor Sheehan .. pretending his uncles give him a “Free to insult” card while being clueless on how he sullies his own uncle’s memories or sullies his own dad’s name.

  273. Few things are funnier than an internet tough guy. The bravery of being out of range is even more intoxicating than booze.

    And Gregg being part of the cabinet just seals the Democratic Party’s doom. Without that one last senator to theoretically make a filibuster possible, they have no way of blaming the GOP for anything whatsoever that happens. And seriously, does anyone think that batch of wretched spineless Vichy Republicans (RINO is misleading, they are simply being Republicans) likely to get enough guys to filibuster now? One less won’t help the Democrats pass any legislation, it will only harm them by making them completely culpable for anything they do. The GOP might want to stop them, but they couldn’t.

  274. PJM STOPPING ADS ON BLOGS

    For the life of me, I cannot understand the beef with this. I first heard about on Ace’s site, then Hot Air, Protein Wisdom, Anchoress, Instapundit, and Confederate Yankee.

    If I understand correctly, blog sites hosted the PJM advertising and got paid based on their readership rates. Now that PJM has decided that the advertising was not paying off for them and they want to devote to PJTV instead, the blog sites are upset they lost an advertiser.

    Now perhaps they are upset because PJM has a conservative stable of writers and they feel that they should have been more loyal. They way I see it, the blog sites already proved that they have sufficient readership to host ads and they just need to get different advertisers.

    I remember Hot Air ran Cadillac video ads for a while and that must have paid well. But most bloggers hosts their own sites out of their own pocket with no ad revenue at all. That is how blogging got started. Now some blogs wrote well enough that their talents have merited them getting offers to write at other blogs like regular columnists at newspapers. Some have transformed into “go to” people for cable news stations. Captain Ed did that very well. I like his Captain Quarters better than the thin dribble at Hot Air and Allah just annoys me, especially this last election season with his Eyore imitation.

    So blogging has been a hobby that some had been able to turn into a living. I started reading forums like Free Republic and still do. They ask directly for money to cover costs and it does get donations to cover the costs. I used to read the Belmont Spot by Wretchard and he had some of the best analysis out there. Then he moved to PJM exclusively and I think may have lost new readers not being an independent blog that was linked to by other blogs and Free Republic. He has a devoted following at PJM, but I do not know if he is getting new readers anymore. It is harder to find his columns at PJM, rather just hit my favorite tab.

    But back to the issue, Jeff at Protein Wisdom is upset that he was not told the business model was not making money. Well I do not know that most newspapers that sell advertising space require that the advertiser tell them if they are making money or not. I think that Roger Simon’s unfortunate wording saying that some are upset with being off the dole is the real issue. Those bloggers do not consider allowing their sites to post advertising to PJM to be on the dole. Advertisers need to sell space and they need readership. Blogs taking over magazines and newspapers role as information sources are an obvious market for advertisers to use to get to the intended audience.

    So bloggers, if you want your blog to pay for itself and maybe more, then seek out advertisers like any other business does. Or pay for it yourself like when you started.

  275. That’s a nice way of looking at it. It doesn’t redound to Gregg’s credit though. He’s on my list now.

  276. “So thor insults, baits and pisses folks off, then calls the cops when they call him on it”

    Hey some folks don’t understand the difference between constitutionally protected speech and, say, assault. They needs cop-learning.

  277. For the life of me, I cannot understand the beef with this.

    This was the only thing you got right. Go back and read the posts again and maybe you can figure it out.

  278. RAH

    Roger/PJM is alleging they ran a Madoff-style business model and Roger is now blaming the people they were less than honest with for the losses.

    Can you wrap your head around that? It ain’t the losses or the “firing” but the LACK OF HONESTY in this whole affair that points to some real schmuckieness on Roger/PJM’s part. And the letter JeffG received (like the rest of the PJM network bloggers) was a kind of false intimacy form “Dear John” letter that comes across as the receiver is the problem.

    Business people with integrity don’t handle downturns in this manner.

  279. You left out the part about this making him some kind of heroic tough guy, meya, that was kind of important.

    You also might want to expound on the difference between Constitutionally protected speech and hate speech, and being responsible for your own actions figures into all this, if you really want to open that can of worms.

  280. “Roger/PJM is alleging they ran a Madoff-style business model ”

    I don’t think you understand what the Madoff style was. That was a ponzi scheme / fraud. This was just your standard ‘start operating at a loss and hope to pick up steam.’

  281. “Pretty sure that talking point will go under the bus as soon as His Oneness starts firing US attorneys.”

    I think most if not all of them resigned.


  282. Comment by Darleen on 2/1 @ 10:48 am #

    Business people with integrity don’t handle downturns in this manner.

    That’s the labor union inside your head talking.

  283. Darleen’s right that the whole deal has been amateurishly handled. They had no communications plan in place and what they have done in a very fast 24 hours is severely damage the sleepwear brand. It’s like Roger was miffed that he missed out on spectacularly failing in the dot com bust so he decide better late than never.

  284. oh. *decided* I meant.

  285. I mean … hey you guys. Bad news. We are a spectacular loser failure. Please keep our branding on your site until April. kthxbai

  286. “I think most if not all of them resigned.”

    That’s not true. Stop thinking.

  287. Comment by thor on 2/1 @ 10:58 am #

    Yet more plagiarism from the resident Wile E. Coyote genius.

    Good, job, asshole, good job.


  288. Comment by B Moe on 2/1 @ 10:27 am #

    So thor insults, baits and pisses folks off, then calls the cops when they call him on it, and somehow thinks that makes him a hero?

    The girlfriend of the dude who talked him down called the police. Big, fat, drunk boy had his gun pointing at me so I wasn’t available to talk on the phone. You had to be there to know these details.

  289. I’m just glad nobody got hurt.

  290. #

    Comment by Darleen on 2/1 @ 10:36 am #

    Walthor Mitty has morphed into Cinthor Sheehan .. pretending his uncles give him a “Free to insult” card while being clueless on how he sullies his own uncle’s memories or sullies his own dad’s name.

    At least your consistent with your demeanor, Insult Momma.

  291. “The girlfriend of the dude who talked him down called the police. Big, fat, drunk boy had his gun pointing at me so I wasn’t available to talk on the phone. You had to be there to know these details.”

    Sure thing, hor.

    [smiles and nods at the guy screaming on the street corner]

  292. Well that changes everything, thor, that story just reeks of epic heroism. Too bad Homer is dead.

  293. thor’s inventing hero scenarios for himself again, I see.

    Can’t you get a real life, sans father’s money and mitty fictions?

  294. The truth is PW will have to take care of itself. The page views will likely go down now that Obama is Pres. and if the mud bunker whelpers here simply cling to nothing but tossing paranoia-based insults anyone and everyone who wisely voted for Obama.

    Bitterness isn’t much of a lasting attraction.

    [hands P’brain a purple Blowpop]

  295. Comment by thor on 2/1 @ 11:26 am #

    Sure thing, hor.

    [smiles and nods at the guy screaming on the street corner]

  296. meya

    It isn’t an exact match, that’s why I used “-style” … network bloggers like Jeff, Ace, The Anchoress, et al, were receiving checks from PJM with the understanding that it was a cut of the ad-revenue that PJM was getting, based on each blog’s traffic. The Roger pulls the “I was fronting the cash at a loss to myself” thing.

    That is not a “loss leader” to get the folks in the store to buy other things.

    the network bloggers weren’t employees with PJM, they were in a business partnership. And, as it turns out, the PJM partner wasn’t transparent with the people they solicited into the partnership.

  297. oh jeez. Now they want to take away my paranoia-based insults. That’s all I have left. It’s like the more you struggle the deeper you sink. God help us all.

  298. everyone who wisely voted for Obama

    funniest.line.of.the.day.

  299. “Get home in one piece…unlike my father did from Korea.”

    Your Dad is Jeffery Lebowski?

    Or are you one of the Little Urban Achievers?

    Ha Ha. Your Mom is Bunny.

    Wait a second…

    The Arizona Cardinals!?

    How the fuck did this happen?

  300. Bitterness isn’t much of a lasting attraction.

    Second funniest line of the day. He is on a roll.

  301. “Comment by B Moe on 2/1 @ 11:43 am #

    Bitterness isn’t much of a lasting attraction.

    Second funniest line of the day. He is on a roll.”

    With mustard and relish…..

    I told you he’s crazy.

  302. My insults aren’t “paranoia-based”, my insults are objectively based in the fact that you’re a dick.

  303. Sorry, the link will not post. Something wrong with the system, but if you search Mac and Lemmings you will find the ad I am referring to on YouTube.


  304. Comment by serr8d on 2/1 @ 11:23 am #

    thor’s inventing hero scenarios for himself again, I see.

    Can’t you get a real life, sans father’s money and mitty fictions?,/blockquote>

    Maybe you could use Photoshop to create a pretty picture that reflects the seething heroic bitterness of smoky mountain hicknubs.

    How about pasting a patriotic red-white-and-blue turd log floating in a toilet with our CiC’s picture in it? Or maybe do one insulting me!! I voted for Obama!

  305. The Arizona Cardinals!?

    How the fuck did this happen?

    Haven’t you heard?

    They’ve already won~!

  306. thor, just keep posting.

    No One! can make you look any worse than you, yourself.

  307. Baracky and his pals Harry and Nancy and Rahm are stealing a trillion whole dollars, thor. I don’t get how this is something you’re glad you supported. It’s unprecedented and completely off the scale of corruption heretofore. And they’re just getting started.

  308. ‘That is not a “loss leader” to get the folks in the store to buy other things. ‘

    I know. I didn’t call it a “loss leader.” Lots of startups start at a loss — amazon, facebook, google, etc…. I likened it to that. Thats normal — to meet expenditures with investment. Not Ponzi. Ponzi is paying off old investors with new deposits.

    “the network bloggers weren’t employees with PJM, they were in a business partnership. And, as it turns out, the PJM partner wasn’t transparent with the people they solicited into the partnership.”

    Partnership means a certain thing within the law. I don’t think that’s quite what they were. They had a contract. AFAIK it didn’t really mention that PJM had to lay out its finances to the bloggers.

    As to the “dole” comment, I’ll repeat what I said earlier: how much did PJM pay, and did these bloggers think they were worth that much?

  309. “Baracky and his pals Harry and Nancy and Rahm are stealing a trillion whole dollars, thor. ”

    Why not join TEAM SARAH?

    oh.

    “The 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, planned to meet in Washington this weekend with Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and other senators to press for her state’s share of the package.”

  310. The truth is PW will have to take care of itself. The page views will likely go down now that Obama is Pres. and if the mud bunker whelpers here simply cling to nothing but tossing paranoia-based insults anyone and everyone who wisely voted for Obama.

    Yea, because conservatives like Rush were so unpopular when Clinton was in office …

    Honestly, I can hardly wait until the Conservativism is Dead meme dies.

  311. “and did these bloggers think they were worth that much?”

    It is what the buyers are willing pay. What sellers think doesn’t matter.

  312. Sarah Palin is a joke. I get that. That doesn’t make stealing a trillion dollars right.

  313. That’s your defense of the Theft Package meya?

    That’s about as good as DICK Durbin’s “we need more water on this fire! We can’t just throw a teacup of water on it. It’ll come back tomorrow!!! We need to wrap this fire in $400 million worth of rubbers. The ribbing will surely put out this raging economic inferno!!!”

    Morons.

  314. Naw, Happy, Bush did it for eight years and then in his last days he handed our money to a bunch of failed C.E.O’s and idiot bankers so they could put almost $2-billion of absurd bonuses straight into their pockets. The Hamptons required tax-payer economic stimulation.

    We should jack up taxes and reduce spending until the budget balances, that’s my opinion. Rethuglidums don’t like taxes though, they like free roads and free schools and even take union municipal jobs, but they don’t believe in paying the tab, printing press Reaganomic ignorants that they are, most of ‘em.

  315. The economy is on fire, and Dick Durbin wants to put it out with money, which is made of paper, but he calls it water. I’d love to punch him.

  316. This is very sad.

  317. “As a freshman at a large Midwestern university…”

    Ignore thor, he is a child with no life experience.

    He won’t be worth debating for 15 years. It is a simple as that.

  318. We should jack up taxes and reduce spending until the budget balances, that’s my opinion. Rethuglidums don’t like taxes though, they like free roads and free schools and even take union municipal jobs, but they don’t believe in paying the tab, printing press Reaganomic ignorants that they are, most of ‘em.

    Not even worth responding to.

  319. Keep that spot on the mantle dusted for the Nobel thor.

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  321. “That’s your defense of the Theft Package meya? ”

    No that’s my comment on TEAM SARAH. On the package the defense is the standard Keynes line, in tune with the CBO analysis.

  322. Pulitzer, I’ve cleared enough room for more than one.

  323. “Rethuglidums don’t like taxes”

    Daschole Geitner and Rangel are Rethuglicans?

  324. We should jack up taxes and reduce spending until the budget balances, that’s my opinion.

    That’s how I got re-elected in 1932!

    Oh. Wait…

  325. oh, hi Mel! sorry, I missed you. was off doing stuff yesterday.

  326. Keep that spot on the mantle dusted for the Nobel thor.

    Some arcane reference to thor’s bald spot? Wha?

  327. “Ignore thor, he is a child with no life experience.”

    Who knew a trust fund could work just like a life support ventilator?

    Where’s the fucking plug?

    Raise taxes?!?!

    On who?

    Oh, lemme guess…

    Yes, yes. Let’s Rick-Roll those awful richies what create wealth and new jobs and stuff.

    And Jews too!!!

    It must be peaceful being that stupid.

  328. I want some of what thor is taking, just not as much as he’s had.

  329. “Pulitzer, I’ve cleared enough room for more than one.”

    Huh.

    So they can award those based solely on pity?

    Good to know.

  330. Comment by Lamontyoubigdummy on 2/1 @ 12:40 pm #

    Yes, yes. Let’s Rick-Roll those awful richies what create wealth and new jobs and stuff.

    So then how, ya foam-nosed clownbo, did America lose so many down-trickling jobs after Bush’s tax cuts if the “richies” create so many of ‘em?

    Daaaauuuey!

    You’re better at the bouncy-bouncy hooha versus any sort’a hard logic, clownbo.

  331. It’s better to lose jobs than to aim to replace existing jobs with dirty socialist government ones I think.

  332. When did they start awarding Pulitzer’s for Porta-John graffitti?

  333. *yawn*

  334. Dan,

    I left my comments over there at PJM…Roger screwed the pooch royally with his letter to Jeff and the others (obviously he must be sitting on his brains instead of actually using them). Personally I hope his site take a hit in visits because of this (I wonder who is paying him to keep his site up).

  335. “So then how, ya foam-nosed clownbo, did America lose so many down-trickling jobs after Bush’s tax cuts if the “richies” create so many of ‘em?”

    Unions?

  336. As to the “dole” comment, I’ll repeat what I said earlier: how much did PJM pay, and did these bloggers think they were worth that much?

    They paid on a sliding scale based on page impressions. And yes, we felt we were worth that much — particularly given the we were made to sign an exclusivity contract.

  337. Unions. But also regulations and taxes that say hey you guys, go overseas please or just shut down. Not our problem. The federal government does that a lot and states like California and New York and Massachusetts enthusiastically throw gas on the fire and a lot of people get hurt. These are the people Baracky likes to exploit the mostest.

  338. Jeff, thor can trade that exclusivity contract against Papua New Guinea currency next Tuesday and totally make your money back.

    He’s a genius.

  339. Comment by thor on 2/1 @ 12:52 pm

    Cinthor Sheehan believes jobs are created by the Rolling 40s Crips.

  340. “Cinthor Sheehan believes jobs are created by the Rolling 40s Crips.”

    Word to ya Motha’.

  341. Oh, shit. I forgot to add, “Peace out.”

    “Rollin down the street, smokin indo, sippin on gin and juice.”

    With my mind on my money and my money on my mind.

    OUTLAW!!!

  342. Lamont = happyfeet?

    Why two names?

  343. So then how, ya foam-nosed clownbo, did America lose so many down-trickling jobs after Bush’s tax cuts if the “richies” create so many of ‘em?

    So much rampant stupidity. So little time.

  344. Rusty, please don’t point out the fact that the massive Bush tax cuts lead to a recession, not jobs and prosperity.

    The crackers don’t have any talking points to counter it.

    We all know what happens then.

  345. “Lamont = happyfeet?”

    That’s awful.

    Don’t insult hf like that you bastard.

  346. Parsnip, please elaborate on how the Bush tax cuts had anything to do with federal manipulation of the housing markets which caused this current mess?

    And you do understand, that recessions happen, no matter who is POTUS?

  347. Rusty, please don’t point out the fact that the massive Bush tax cuts lead to a recession, not jobs and prosperity

    Yes, just as the year 2000 caused a couple of airplanes to slam into the WTC.

    After, therefore because of.

  348. I don’t get alphie sometimes, lamontfeet. But the recession was caused by an oil shock what triggered stress in the housing markets. Oil. The stuff Baracky is scared to drill for cause it’s dirty and his European friends told him it was very very bad. People forget that this was not destiny. A certain amount of foreclosures are okay and expected. The oil shocked push things to a tipping point is all. The oil shock guaranteed a recession. Baracky and Barney’s corruption at Fannie and Freddie and with the CRA and ACORN guaranteed a disaster. It’s very sad. But Bush tried valiantly to forestall it. The dirty socialists won out, got their crisis, and damned if they’re gonna waste it.

  349. parsnip,
    Perhaps you don’t recall, but the country was kinda already in a depression when Booooooosh! took office on 2000. Remember that thing about the dot-com bubble bursting? Oh, and little things like Enron and Global Crossing?

    And it’s closer to the truth to realize that there has been an ebb and flow of jobs during the last 8 years for these, as well as other, reasons. Increased auttomation of production and prototyping actual goods for manufacture has rendered a lot of skilled, but not educated, jobs obsolete. And the collapse of the financial and real estate markets has put a large number of people out of work…

    To hold forth that the financial and real estate market components of the current recession were not, in large part, a result of the governments intervention and manipulation of those markets is as mendacious as trying to assert that there was no component of short-sightedness due to greed on the part of the wunderkind MBA’s that allowed their firms to become overexposed to what have become toxic assets. It is equally dishonest to noit admit that the Boooooosh! administration attempted to codify greater regulation and oversight of key players in the sectors that have caused the current problems…

    That is what is so galling about Obama’s empty rhetoric about the failed Boooooosh! policies, and how they have wrought the current financial problems.

    When it’s closer to the truth to say that corrupt individuals like Dodd and Frank would allow no reigning in of their pet policies and the mechanisms for implementing them, for both personal as well as ideological reasons. Remember that the Democrats voted down these reform measures in their best party line lockstep, and counted on a few purist Republicans to be wooed by the siren song of lessening regulation; so the votes never even made it out of comittee…

    Stubborn facts and inconvenient truths can only be twisted and rewritten for those who don’t pay attention to what’s going on. So, if it’s all on Boooooosh!, and he’s soley responsible for what in part is fallout from the Clinton years; then so to does Obama own everything starting January 21…

    So which is it, is history a continuum, or is it a series of compartmentalized time-spans; or does that really depend on the letter following the particular Presidents name..?

  350. George Bush is an American hero. If for no other reason than that he took the time to confer with his cabinet and came out after that horrible Tuesday morning and declared “This was a terrorist act.”

    Not an “Act of War.”

    That statement was the difference between American economic collapse and Lloyd’s of London writing a $250 Billion Dollar check to clean up lower Manhattan and take care of the first and second responders families.

    After 911, “terrorist act” was written as an exclusion into every insurance policy on Earth.

    If thor get’s car-jacked, and his Prius is loaded with ammonium nitrate & semtex and then driven into a building, he ain’t covered.

    The Patriot Act? Warentless Wire Taps? Extraordinary Rendition? Water-Boarding?

    Start to make sense now?

    We can’t get hit again you selfish, stupid child.

    We’re not “covered” anymore.

    The trust fund has fucking run out.

    Idiot.

  351. Bob, Rush Limbaugh is not an economist, why spout his moronic gibberish in an economic debate?

    Let’s compare Clinton vs. Bush job creation first, eh?

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/job-creation/

    Then just admit the Republicans are the party run by the rich and they will demand tax cuts for their wealthy masters no matter what America’s current economic situation is.

  352. Hmmmm.

    I never really understood the point of PJM.

    Much of what was on PJM was regurgitated from other blogs and websites. Sometimes new and interesting things would come up, but not enough to really to make me want to bookmark PJM directly. Instead I’d rely on other bloggers to point out if I should visit PJM or ignore it completely.

    What I thought PJM was being oriented towards was a news service that would operate in a highly distributed fashion but with greater local depth. This they could do by having local blogggers reporting on the local scenes and combining all of it into a single news service that would encompass the country or even the world.

    But what I got was a bastard-child amalgamation of NRO, WeeklyStandard, WSJ and a smattering of other bloggers. Why that would be attractive I frankly don’t know.

    You know what I would pay for? A research service that would take on the issues of the day and research those issues and put out highly detailed and in depth reporting and essays. I’d like that to having to depend on FactCheck.org which I really don’t trust all that much.

    *shrug* It would be worth $50 a year for that.

  353. “Comment by parsnip on 2/1 @ 2:14 pm #

    Rusty, please don’t point out the fact that the massive Bush tax cuts lead to a recession, not jobs and prosperity.”

    You are a fucking moron, alpo.

  354. veggie of pallor ignores that the Bush tax cuts dropped the first tier of taxes from 15 to 10 percent and also took millions of people off the income tax completely.

    Bet veggie thinks dirty Boooosh said “a rising tide lifts all boats”

  355. Lamontyoubigdummy – you forgot the line about “shinin’ my nine”…BYZATCH…

  356. Bob, still attempting “retard outreach”. You’re a good man, Bob, but alphie’s worth is zilch. Nada. Zip.

  357. “And you do understand, that recessions happen, no matter who is POTUS?”

    No. No he doesn’t.

  358. I’ve been gone most of the day so late to this very good discussion. This,

    “Belmont Spot by Wretchard and he had some of the best analysis out there. Then he moved to PJM exclusively and I think may have lost new readers not being an independent blog that was linked to by other blogs and Free Republic. He has a devoted following at PJM, but I do not know if he is getting new readers anymore. It is harder to find his columns at PJM, rather just hit my favorite tab.

    stuck out and irked me.

    Why is it any harder to bookmark this than it was to bookmark this?

    B Moe and Darleen covered the rest of that one.

    The three PJM threads are the troll magnets today. Still don’t get why they are here when they could be “hi-fiveing” at DU or Kos with their buds.

  359. “Boooosh said “a rising tide lifts all boats”

    Rich people have submarines.

  360. “Still don’t get why they are here when they could be “hi-fiveing” at DU or Kos with their buds.”

    I don’t get it either.

    But I’ll bet money it has to do with Tom Hanks.

    I swear.

    That fucking guy.

  361. parsnip,

    I never read either Krugman or Limbaugh…

    And if you go by donations and the federal record of the same, Obama got more money from banks, Wall street financiers, hedge fund managers, lawyers, and big money fat-cats…

    Stubborn facts congeal into inconvenient truths…

    I know it’s hard for you, and makes your head hurt, but face it-you guys own it now…

  362. …”but face it-you guys own it now…”

    Amen.

    Now pony up my Obama-promised mortgage payment bitch.

  363. 101. Terrye:

    Joe:

    I like Jeff at PW, but when was he not having a fit about something? It is his default. In fact he has been threatening to quit forever.

    Feb 1, 2009 – 1:03 pm [Reader Comment at Roger Simon’s PJM Explaination]

    “A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill.” Robert Heinlein

  364. First Steyn, now Limbaugh is a moron by tuber’s decree.

    I can’t stop laughing.

  365. What’s the point of posting these comments, Joe?

  366. Ace has the market cornered on “morons.” It’s a selling point.

    Maybe we could be “retards.”

    Or “Armadillo Turds.”

  367. For reals what is the point of posting all these comments? Like here? I don’t get it. Do you have an agenda? I do not understand your agenda.

  368. oh. That link was wrong. I meant like here. That’s so random.

  369. Comment by Jeff G. on 2/1 @ 5:27 pm #

    What’s the point of posting these comments, Joe?

    I’ll take that as a subtle hint that this pot of sauce has been stirred enough.

    Is the pasta ready! When do we eat.

  370. It’s sad what vodka and root beer wrought.

  371. This was just your standard ’start operating at a loss and hope to pick up steam.’

    Sure, that’s how Amazon.Com started out, by undercutting all their rivals and running a loss for at least three years. Then they raised prices to make a profit when they were the 300 pound gorilla and nobody could compete.

  372. I am starting to get a head ache from that hard root beer. If it makes you all feel better, I was in a pool with 5 $100 picks and none of them worked out. Karmic payback.

    I was just stirring the pot with Simon. As for Jeff always being on a tear, well yeah, that part of the comment I agree with. Is that a bad thing?

  373. Sure, that’s how Amazon.Com started out

    Which makes sense if your business has barriers to entry (like Amazon’s inventory, and their gigantic warehousing and shopping operation, or Google’s world-class intellectual capital) and/or has network effects (like the the classic telephone monopoly, or Facebook — a setup where the more of your friends belong to the network, the more valuable it becomes to you).

    Neither of these are true for web advertising. Any kid with Apache and PHP can start serving banner ads in five minutes, and neither the readers nor the advertisers really give a shit who the middle man is.

  374. Was that one song thrown in by Bruce for The One? And was it me, or was NBC intentionally avoiding Little Steven? I doubt he would have gotten on camera, but for Bruce and him doing a duet on Glory Days. And then the Boss threw in a plug for Disneyland (Bruce you are in Tampa, Disney World is sixty miles east of you)–but I recall Little Steven being barred from the park over some dress issue years ago and swearing he would never forgive them.

  375. Comment by Christopher Taylor on 2/1 @ 9:04 pm

    From a comment on Peasant’s thread, PJM’s ad rates were high for the market AND they were uninterested in discount rates for otherwise empty/unsold spots. If PJM was aggressively trying to get advertisers to sign on, they’d have less than market rates and never let an empty spot develop. Now I understand why the network bloggers have had ads lately that are all PJM generated ads (for PJMTV)

    The more I hear, the more I wonder if Roger ever consulted some real business managers or let “CEO” go to his head.

  376. oh. Ok. I guess if you mean on a tear in a good way then that is a very nice thing. How do you make root beer?

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  378. Comment by Bob Reed on 2/1 @ 5:06 pm #

    parsnip,

    I never read either Krugman or Limbaugh…

    And if you go by donations and the federal record of the same, Obama got more money from banks, Wall street financiers, hedge fund managers, lawyers, and big money fat-cats…

    Stubborn facts congeal into inconvenient truths…

    No, they congeal into poorly thought out propaganda, evidently. Say there Bob, can you name a group that Obama didn’t raise more money from than McCain? Outside of bitter old white Mormons and Appalachian moonshine salesmen? Try.

    And Barney Frank didn’t become chairman of the house financial services committee until 2006. Up until then Frank was simply a powerless minority committee member who supported Boooooosh’s home ownership expansion economic policy. Maybe he was corrupted by Booooosh. Ha.

  379. I’d say there are plenty of times when I’m not “having a fit.” Most of the time, in fact. Maybe it’s just that what I do “fit,” I throw my bodyweight into it.

  380. JeffG

    Hey, boss, I think Roger is the one having a fit. Seems as if his “on the dole” explanation has been flushed down the memory hole.

  381. oh. This is starting to have a meltdowny feel, Darleen. I feel sort of… bad. There are a lot of people that are good people working very hard on those video things that people aren’t really watching. I hate seeing that sort of thing. I wonder if people can take the PJM logo down as long as they let the ads keep running. That would be closure of a sort I think.

  382. Comment by happyfeet on 2/1 @ 10:08 pm #

    oh. Ok. I guess if you mean on a tear in a good way then that is a very nice thing. How do you make root beer?

    I meant tear in a good way. The person I quote I think meant it in a bad way. But it is one of Roger’s supporters.

    You make rootbeer by mixing an extract made mostly of wintergreen (Sassafras root, the traditional base of root beer, is a possible carcinogen) and sugar water and then adding some champagne yeast. If you get it into the cleaned out platic soda bottles relatively quickly (say in a day), the alcohol content is negligable and it is carbonated. If you forget and let it go a few days extra, well then it is an aid to getting kids to bed with less fuss.

  383. Horrible Leftist: “To all of you who seem to be taking pleasure in someone elses pain, I’ll say this. Enjoy it while it lasts.”

    The Deutchevolk who celebrated the visit last summer of Barack “Ich bin ein beginner” Obama call it schadenfreud, which is apparently a killing word.

  384. I’m not sure what Horrible Leftist’s point is. I’m not demanding anything, nor do I believe I have a right to work for PJM or anyone else. I haven’t filed for unemployment, nor am I crying that my job has been outsourced. I’m not asking for any subsidies. I’m not looking for the feds to create a government job for me.

    I just think PJM didn’t follow through on a number of things, and I believe the “change of direction” thing was handled shabbily.

    End of discussion, really. And goodbye to a troll who is here for no reason other than to try to poke me with a stick. How sad your life must be if this is how you spend your evenings. Brave little anonymous pissant, taking down the evil wingnuts one blog comment at a time. You really shouldn’t be so shy; somebody might want to put your name and face on a coin.

  385. Hey, boss, I think Roger is the one having a fit. Seems as if his “on the dole” explanation has been flushed down the memory hole.

    First heavy comment moderation and now the entire thread’s gone. That kind of credibility translates into crapload of page views lost, mine included.

  386. Say there Bob, can you name a group that Obama didn’t raise more money from than McCain? Outside of bitter old white Mormons and Appalachian moonshine salesmen? Try.

    Legitimate credit card holders?

  387. “or has network effects (like the the classic telephone monopoly, or Facebook — a setup where the more of your friends belong to the network, the more valuable it becomes to you).”

    I’d say web advertising would get scale effects — easier per dollar to sell a dollar of web advertising when you’re selling hundreds of thousands than when you’re selling hundreds of dollars.

    But yes, it may not have been a good idea to startup at a loss, but it certainly wasn’t Madoff-like fraud.

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  389. I think the thread at Roger’s just moved to here is all.

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  392. HAHA GET A REAL JOB

  393. Wow, it took that long for BIFF to read the original message and click the link to here?

  394. Something tells me Biff’s real job involves a paper hat and a keyboard with sandwich icons.

  395. By the way, here’s something I haven’t seen answered: if in fact PJM is going all TV, why wouldn’t they hold auditions, or take show ideas, from some of us who offered to help out on that end (back when we thought helping each other out was the way to go)?

    I mean, I did a few video pieces that were not poorly received, and had, say, Ace and I done a daily radio show where we weren’t forced to play by the rules of RightTalk’s (now probably bankrupt and ranting at the sky) uberboss — that is, something along the lines of a Howard Stern-esque call-in show (“And now, here’s conservative housewife Bitsy Klumpus, who assures us she can hide the entirety of that banana”!) — we might have attracted the kind of audience that pays for satellite radio, and who isn’t so worried about appearing serious all the time.

    My guess is, the answer has something to do with PJM trying to become the online portal for the GOP. And some of us aren’t reliably partisan enough. .

  396. Let me be blunt: The very last thing in the world that I’m interested in patronizing is a “portal for the GOP.”

    Unless it was a convenient Porta-Potty.

  397. The very last thing in the world that I’m interested in patronizing is a “portal for the GOP.”

    yeah, the TXGOP guy seemed a bit put out that I giggled when he asked if I’d like to give them a couple hundred bucks.

  398. Will this affect Joe the Plumber’s expense report from Iraq?

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