Or maybe, it’s like a gruntitlement:
The massive recovery package has stirred consternation among Republicans who say their ideas are not being adequately considered. But Democrats have a comfortable majority in the House and stressed that fact in a talk with reporters.
“If there is somebody who is disgruntled, so be it. But we will have an overwhelming vote,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said. She and more than a half-dozen other Democrats touted the bill and chided Republicans for pushing what they called the kind of failed policies that led to the economic crisis.
I think it might be time for a Million Pig March on Washington.
Comment by router on 1/28 @ 5:30 pm #
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/28 @ 5:42 pm #
Early reports have not one house Republican voting yes on this. Not one. 12 “boll weevils” or “blue dogs” said no as well. The Commiecrats own this turd.
Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 5:44 pm #
Happy Days are Here Again!
Comment by MarkD on 1/28 @ 5:45 pm #
2010 is looking better already.
Comment by router on 1/28 @ 5:45 pm #
“The Stimulus Passes [David Freddoso]
Eleven Democrats vote no. Rep. Virginia Foxx (R., N.C.): “I am glad that this vote demonstrated bipartisan opposition to the bill, instead of bipartisan support.”"
Comment by Curmudgeon on 1/28 @ 5:46 pm #
One Republican apparently did not vote. Ms. Brown-Waite, Ginny- FL.
Her site puts in against it, but I guess she overslept or something.
You own it, gimp. When it all falls apart, like in the Carter era, we will have to put you back in the gimp box, hopefully permanently.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/28 @ 5:47 pm #
I’m getting that long journey, first step feeling about this one. Good. Finally they may get it.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/28 @ 5:53 pm #
Was there a Democrat who also didn’t vote? I understand the lawmakers will occasionally “pair” like that in order to attend to other business while not changing the outcome of votes.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/28 @ 5:54 pm #
Like forcing banks to make loans that can’t be repaid?
Comment by thoor on 1/28 @ 6:01 pm #
Some are still crying like maced sissies of imaginary forces instead a being a man about their failures I see.
Comment by TechieI'd on 1/28 @ 6:01 pm #
Own it. That is all.
Comment by TechieI'd on 1/28 @ 6:02 pm #
You own it, thorboi.
Cavaet emptor.
Comment by thoor on 1/28 @ 6:04 pm #
Bit you suck it, techiegrrl.
Comment by thoor on 1/28 @ 6:04 pm #
Bit = But
Comment by Techie on 1/28 @ 6:06 pm #
Shouldn’t you be rejoicing? Think of all the community organizing that can proceed! All the condoms and dental dams that can be purchased from Costco! All the urinal art installations that the NEA can fund!
You certainly don’t sound happy.
Comment by Techie on 1/28 @ 6:09 pm #
“We won the election. We wrote the bill.”
-Nancy Pelosi
Who are we to deny the full credit due to Grandma Pelosi?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/28 @ 6:11 pm #
They’re unhappy because there’s still opposition. I think they really, truly expect absolutely no resistance to their programs.
Comment by JohnAnnArbor on 1/28 @ 6:12 pm #
1994 repeats in 2010.
Comment by Christopher Taylor on 1/28 @ 6:17 pm #
“Elect us, hold us accountable, and make a judgment and then go from there. But I do tell you that if the Democrats win, and have substantial majorities, Congress of the United States will be more bipartisan”
-Speaker Pelosi, September 2008
“If there is somebody who is disgruntled, so be it. But we will have an overwhelming vote”
-Speaker Pelosi, January 2009
Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 6:20 pm #
Boner is showing the political savvy that turned the Republican majority into a tiny minority.
When the American economy turns around…the glory will belong to the Democrats alone.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/28 @ 6:21 pm #
Would Sam Rayburn have strangled that woman with one hand or two?
Comment by Log Cabin on 1/28 @ 6:21 pm #
This is awesome!
Start nailing everything to the dems. Every last bit of it. Watch the recession get longer and deeper and nastier from here on out. I can’t wait to see the market reaction to this piece of shit bill tomorrow.
A year from now, dems will scurrying like rats to get away from it. Don’t let them.
Comment by John Cheshire on 1/28 @ 6:22 pm #
Pelosi can spew her BS all she wants but I think that a majority of Americans are concerned about what is in the package. We are only a few short months removed from the TARP bill when Bush was saying pretty much the same thing as O! is saying now, “Don’t worry about what is in it, just pass it”. However, we have since learned that the TARP, which was designed to get credit moving again, has done nothing of the sort.
Obama won by getting people who would otherwise not pay any attention to politics to pay attention. The downside for the dems is that those folks are, well, paying attention. The negative press surrounding TARP has only heightened people’s awareness. Pelosi also needs to consider that while folks were unhappy with Bush, they were more unhappy with the Congress she leads. Much of it stemming from unproductive and childish behavior like today’s spectacle.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/28 @ 6:27 pm #
I’m not so sure that is the story John, with all due respect. Rather I think the idea was finally settled as recapitalization to prevent the immediate collapse of the greater part of the banking sector. And it seems that it worked. I know the story Paulson was telling changed in a matter of a couple of weeks, but that change was due to the utter futility of his initial plan, which to put it simply, stunk because they couldn’t make it work fast enough.
Comment by router on 1/28 @ 6:29 pm #
Obama – Miserable failure in 4,6, 8 months?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 1/28 @ 6:30 pm #
Miserable failure in 4,6, 8
monthsweeks?Fixed it for you.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 1/28 @ 6:31 pm #
The real key is to keep digging into the bill, and keep reporting on how the cash seems to be flowing to people and organizations connected to Democrats.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/28 @ 6:31 pm #
It’ll take years to ring the illusionment out of their systems, router. Look around, some people still think FDR was the shizzle.
Comment by ginsocal on 1/28 @ 6:31 pm #
parsnip fails to realize that even this ginormous pile o’ money is finite. At some point, it’ll be gone, and then the Demmies will be faced with making huge, actual cuts in programs that can no longer be afforded. Hell, they can’t be afforded now, but the dipshits in charge are willfully ignoring that point. Suck it, snip. You morons are already digging your own graves.
“The trouble with socialism, is that eventually you run out of other peoples’ money.” The Iron Lady
Comment by Techie on 1/28 @ 6:45 pm #
I thought Obama was going to give 95% of us a “tax cut”.
Excuse me, but LOL!
Comment by John Cheshire on 1/28 @ 6:46 pm #
“A year from now, dems will scurrying like rats to get away from it. Don’t let them.”
I think that the election has given the dems a false sense of security. They believe that people blame Bush for the financial meltdown because of his policies. Some do but I think that most knew the real cause but wanted to provide cover for Obama so he could be elected. I think most blame Bush simply because he was in charge. As they say, “The buck stops here”. Myself, I blame Bush for seeing it coming and not doing enough to stop it.
I think the dems are going to get a bit of a nasty shock when the ownership of this POS gets placed right at their feet.
Comment by McGehee on 1/28 @ 6:52 pm #
Memo to the Dem0crats: remember that old line, “Be careful what you wish for”…?
<evil, maniacal cackle>
Comment by Techie on 1/28 @ 6:54 pm #
Remember, the President wakes up every morning and pushes the Economy Goes Up button or the Economy Goes Down button before his morning coffee.
This graph:
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/AMBNS?cid=124
It doesn’t bode well for Obama’s button pushing abilities.
Comment by John Cheshire on 1/28 @ 6:59 pm #
Comment by Sdferr on 1/28 @ 6:27 pm #
The greater point I was making, poorly, was the media and even politicians framed it as a bill to get credit moving again. True or not, the public is noticing that it has not lived up to the framing. Even more important are some of the selective but highly publicized stories about companies abusing the TARP funds or not being able to tell us where the money has gone. All this leads to a public that is very skeptical of this current bill.
I mean the damn thing is over 600 pages long. I bet not one legislator has read the whole thing and I bet there are more people out there thinking the same thing. Why are they voting for something they barely know about?
I could be wrong…that is why I come here to discuss.
‘Cause yous guys are wicked smaht.
Comment by Sticky B on 1/28 @ 7:00 pm #
I think the dems are going to get a bit of a nasty shock when the ownership of this POS gets placed right at their feet.
I think you are way underestimating the ability of the press to cover for their boy. They got this boy elected and they aren’t about to start reporting the truth now if it might shine a bad light on their boy. Remember a couple of years ago when 4.8% unemployment and 30sumpn straight quarters of growth was the worst economy since Hoover? 12.5% unemployment and 6 straight quarters of negative growth will be the fuckin’ shiznet by this time next year. I might be a little overly suspicious of the MSM. But then again, I might not.
Comment by Sdferr on 1/28 @ 7:04 pm #
Yes, you are totally right about the framing thing John C, totally. And people didn’t understand it (how could they, the people pushing it didn’t understand it either! And truth be told, probably still don’t, since the problem is way outside human ken.) And they framed it in the same “We’ve got to hurry up” mode that they’re doing again right now, when the better thing would be to slow the fuck down and think, or just not do anything, as Russ Roberts quipped in his title “Don’t just do something, Stand there!”
Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 7:05 pm #
It’s rather unpatriotic to hope the American economy tanks for 2 more years.
It’s also pretty unrealistic.
Look for the next economic boom to start early 2010 at the latest.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/28 @ 7:07 pm #
Hmmmm. Well, I see unemployment at over 12% and will start buying index (assuming I have any money to) when the Dow hits 6k.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/28 @ 7:12 pm #
“It’s rather unpatriotic to hope the American economy tanks for 2 more years.”
Noone is hoping that moron just expecting it because of something called a grasp of history. Even if that was true compare it to hoping we lose a war and own that shit.
Comment by Mr. Pink on 1/28 @ 7:13 pm #
Notice I type “we” and not George Bush.
Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 7:16 pm #
Any way you slice it, Dan, the Republicans are hoping America fails.
And they made a sucker bet.
It’s almost tragic…almost.
When are they going to get serious about winning elections again?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/28 @ 7:24 pm #
It’s rather unpatriotic to lie through your stinking teeth about the American economy like the Democrats have done over the last 8 years.
And it’s rather unpatriotic for the MSM to treat these lies seriously, as they have done for the last 8 years.
Comment by libocrat on 1/28 @ 7:26 pm #
Wouldn’t it have been precious is all the GOP’ers had voted ……
PRESENT!!
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/28 @ 7:26 pm #
Oh, and alfie?
You’re a fucking retard.
Just thought I’d point that out.
Comment by libocrat on 1/28 @ 7:26 pm #
Parsnip, we are hoping Marxism fails in the U.S. and you are hoping for a handout.
Comment by The Sanity Inspector on 1/28 @ 7:27 pm #
Our money tossed from the back of a speeding train. Hold that image.
Comment by libocrat on 1/28 @ 7:28 pm #
I just got a report that McCain and Spectacle are “girding” their loins for what is to come.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/28 @ 7:28 pm #
Hoping America fails? What is America, to you, parsnip?
Comment by libocrat on 1/28 @ 7:29 pm #
Liberals are simply “looting”. Y’all remember the term “get while the gettings good”, well that’s Botox Pelosi and Bonnie Fwank!
It’s a TURGID LIBERAL OINK-A-THON.
Comment by libocrat on 1/28 @ 7:30 pm #
Parsnip was hoping to get some of those condoms Nancy was going to hand out, that’s what!!!
Comment by libocrat on 1/28 @ 7:31 pm #
Hey Partsnit, did you Marxists include any SHOVELS in the bill. You’re going to need them.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/28 @ 7:33 pm #
So, I take it you’re with me on the Million Pig March.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/28 @ 7:48 pm #
“Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 7:16 pm #
Any way you slice it, Dan, the Republicans are hoping America fails.”
No, you fucking retard, we expect the reactionary policies of the idiotic left to fail.
Like they always do.
You ahistoric shitheel.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/28 @ 7:49 pm #
Plus, alftard, you OWN IT.
Lock, stock and crashing economy.
Comment by phil on 1/28 @ 8:01 pm #
parsnip,
You and your party now OWNZ this bill. Love it live it own it.
Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 8:04 pm #
Oh, I think we’ll take it.
No recent president has done better for the economy than Bill Clinton, and it looks like Obama is ready to follow in his footsteps.
And the petulant diva Republicans in Congress, led by Droopy Dog and the Boner, look even more out of step with America and its gracious, bi-partisan president.
Comment by Techie on 1/28 @ 8:12 pm #
I eagerly the $25 million earmarked for ATV trails. Think of all the stimulus!
Comment by Techie on 1/28 @ 8:13 pm #
“eagerly await”
Now, they just need to buy me a Kawasaki.
Comment by Techie on 1/28 @ 8:15 pm #
“Gracious, bi-partisan”
I’m sorry, but I burst out laughing when I read that line. Standard troll disclaimer notwithstanding.
Comment by Log Cabin on 1/28 @ 8:19 pm #
No recent president has done better for the economy than Bill Clinton, and it looks like Obama is ready to follow in his footsteps.
“No recent congress has done better for the economy than Newt Gringrich’s class of 1994 and it looks like Obama has no idea WTF he is doing.”
Fixed that for ya, Obama fellator supreme. Wipe yer chin.
Comment by Techie on 1/28 @ 8:22 pm #
How much was earmarked for Cat Grooming? That’s a vital industry in need of stimulus.
Comment by Log Cabin on 1/28 @ 8:35 pm #
If they had merely earmarked a couple of million for the sofa upholstering industry, they would have both stimulated the economy and provided more apparel options for the First Chewbacca, … er, … Mrs. Obama for state functions.
Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 8:43 pm #
Clinton had already halved the federal deficit before Newt arrived in Washington in his clown car, Log.
But thanks for playing anyways.
And it’s nice to see you’re not even bothering to hide your racism anymore.
Comment by Bod on 1/28 @ 8:45 pm #
Oh boy, I’d better denounce myself before I even post this. And sorry for the threadjack, Dan. I denounce myself for that one too. And if the URL doesn’t go linky properly.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/01/28/2009-01-28_hey_bam_thats_not_the_door.html
Man, I have to watch what Jon Stewart makes of this. I mean, maybe this guy should go read a book to his kids or somethin’ – or maybe go give Chewbacca a trim.
Comment by Rusty on 1/28 @ 9:05 pm #
I see the resident trolls grasp of economics hasn’t improved.
America won’t fail, however the current residents economics are already failing.
Parsnip. You won’t have a job by 2010. That is providing you have one now.
The times, they have become very interesting indeed.
Comment by Log Cabin on 1/28 @ 9:09 pm #
“Ohhh, whine, whine! Sniff! Yer a racist!” I think I hit a nerve!
Already dipping into the “Golden Book of Standard Leftard Insults”?
It doesn’t take much to exhaust your debating points, does it?
One can walk though the deepest parts of Snippy’s psyche and not get one’s ankles wet. Standard socialist clown. Nothing new.
Comment by Dan Collins on 1/28 @ 9:10 pm #
Still, I wear wellies.
Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 9:18 pm #
Rusty,
Our current recession started way back in December of 2007.
I’m willing to bet it will end by the end of 2009.
The Republicans in Congress are betting the other way.
But they haven’t won a bet in over 4 years, have they?
Comment by AKA Pablo on 1/28 @ 9:26 pm #
Sure they have.
BTW, it’s unpatriotic to root for dead Americans, dirtbag.
Comment by thor on 1/28 @ 9:29 pm #
Whoa now, who fed PW’s pet marmoset the man-bananas?
Comment by thor on 1/28 @ 9:38 pm #
Fixed your Iron Lady for ya.
Comment by Log Cabin on 1/28 @ 9:38 pm #
Clinton had already halved the federal deficit before Newt arrived in Washington in his clown car, Log.
So then deficits are bad, is that correct, Whiney McSensitive?
Take your time with your answer. I realize it’s difficult to cut the knot of illogic in which you have tied yourself. Good thing you have no self-awareness, or you would be abashed.
How does it feel to get owned by a gay man? With your politics of victimology, you must be quite conflicted. But hey, I needed a laugh today! Thanks!
Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 9:45 pm #
Yes, defecits are bad, Log.
But, if you’re going to run them, it’s best to do it at the bottom of a business cycle.
Bush ran one even at the top.
You know all about tops & bottoms, right, log?
Comment by thor on 1/28 @ 9:52 pm #
Did you become a
Muslimqueer redumblican while in prison?Comment by Slartibartfast on 1/28 @ 9:54 pm #
Oh, that’s some weapons-grade stupid right there.
Comment by Matt on 1/28 @ 10:05 pm #
*It’s rather unpatriotic to hope the American economy tanks for 2 more years.*
But hoping for us to fail in Iraq is the height of patriotism. Good call there snippy.
Comment by Phil on 1/28 @ 11:15 pm #
Parsnip, thor, and other assorted liberal fucktards,
I eagerly look forward to your defenses of consistent trillion dollar deficits. Not billion. Not tens of billion. Not even hundreds of billion. I said TRILLION. Dollar. Deficits. Bush spent far too much and we always criticized him for it but at least honest effort was paid to reduce the deficit (and it was being reduced each and every year from its height in 2003 until the recession kicked in)
And yet when it comes to deficit, your party is more concerned with paybacks to ACORN than the now growing federal deficit. And yet you defend it. Well guess what? We are fucked. And by me, I don’t mean me, or Sarah Palin or Republicans in general. At some point, the bill is going to be coming due and it’s not going to get paid. And interest rates are going to go through the roof and people are going to lose their jobs. People like you. And you’re telling me I should like this?
With all due respect, fuck you with all my deepest sincerity.
Comment by thor on 1/28 @ 11:55 pm #
OK Phil, but your mother is a whore and you’re your mom’s best client. Might as well get down to the mother screwing first instead of waiting a few posts. You also filch spunk from your Dad’s butt when your not sweating all over your Mom. Why not go there too. Oh, and you also have unnamed numerous Daddy issues during those rare moments when your face isn’t buried deep in his fleshy buns.
When exactly were you criticizing teh junior Bushtard? Was it before or after the Republican House was handing him those pork barrel laden annual budgets? You had eight fuckin’ years, ya know, to criticize yet I swear on your spunky Dad’s rump that I don’t recall any thundering criticism, well, until the house of cards on Wall Street collapsed, yeah, only then was there some occasional whimpers.
With all due respect, your parents need you now more than ever. Take care.
Comment by B Moe on 1/29 @ 12:09 am #
Clinton had already halved the federal deficit before Newt arrived in Washington in his clown car, Log.
Where in the hell did you come up with that one?
Comment by maggie katzen on 1/29 @ 12:12 am #
I’m guessing same place as always, B Moe.
cat’s ass.
Comment by parsnip on 1/29 @ 12:44 am #
You’d be surprise what those little furry buggers can get up there, maggie, but in this case, I got the data from this chart:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2004/biggest_deficit_in_history_yes_and_no.html
Comment by Pellegri on 1/29 @ 3:37 am #
“Oh no, the Republicans don’t want to vote unanimously with us!” Media coverage continues to be incredibly banal.
Comment by Rusty on 1/29 @ 6:07 am #
I’m willing to bet it will end by the end of 2009.
Nope. Try again.
The recession began with a democratic majority in both the house and senate.
Remember;”All bills raising revenue shall originate in the house of representatives.”
You should really read the document, someday.
What do you think is gonna be next? fairness doctrine or gun control? I’m betting fairness doctrine in six months. Hope I’m wrong.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/29 @ 7:28 am #
“Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 8:04 pm #
Oh, I think we’ll take it.
No recent president has done better for the economy than Bill Clinton,…”
You are truly, deeply and totally a fucking retard, alfie.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/29 @ 7:30 am #
“Bipartisanship: “A state of affairs in which Republicans betray their supporters in order to mollify their political enemies and the editorial boards of The Washington Post and New York Times. Cf., capitulation, professional suicide.”
-Tony Snow
Comment by N. O'Brain on 1/29 @ 7:33 am #
“Comment by parsnip on 1/28 @ 8:43 pm #
Clinton had already halved the federal deficit before Newt arrived in Washington….”
So, let’s see your frowning, chin-stroking concern about the trillions and trillions of dollars in deficit spending about to be flushed down the crapper by the O!bama regime.
[this should be good]
Comment by Nurse Ratched on 1/29 @ 7:38 am #
Comment by thor on 1/28 @ 11:55 pm #
hor, I TOLD you not to talk to the voices in your head! Now take the little pink pill!
Comment by B Moe on 1/29 @ 7:39 am #
Do we have a concensus yet?
http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdf
Comment by Mikey NTH on 1/29 @ 9:01 am #
I think ‘racist’ now means ‘fascist’ – Someone who a progressive disagrees with.
Comment by SGT Ted on 1/29 @ 12:04 pm #
Deficit spending is ONLY good when Democrats do it. Especially when they just lard up already existing programs that haven’t worked and are a complete waste of money.