Climate realists around the world have contended for years that the real goal of alarmists such as Nobel Laureate Al Gore and his followers is to use the fear of man-made global warming to redistribute wealth.
On Monday, one of Gore’s leading scientific resources, Goddard Institute for Space Studies chief James Hansen, sent a letter to Barack and Michelle Obama specifically urging the president-elect to enact a tax on carbon emissions that would take money from higher-income Americans and distribute the proceeds to the less fortunate.
Global warming may induce ice age:
Researchers at the University of Birmingham found that 630 million years ago the earth had a warm atmosphere full of carbon dioxide but was completely covered with ice.
The scientists studied limestone rocks and found evidence that large amounts of greenhouse gas coincided with a prolonged period of freezing temperatures.
Such glaciation could happen again if global warming is not curbed, the university’s school of geography, earth and environmental sciences warned.
Via Tigerhawk, who makes the essential point that we don’t know what CO2 does to the atmosphere, but whatever it is, it’s catastrophic and needs to be stopped now with massive international interventions before it kills us all. NTTAWWT.
I especially liked that “…half shares for children up to a maximum of two child-shares per family…”. So if a “child share” is defined as [the share a child gets, whatever its face value] that’s two kids per family receiving shares. If defined as [one-half share = one “child share”] then it can be read as four kids per family receiving shares.
In either case though, we have the Federal government putting its thumb on the scale of a family’s decision on the marginal next child.
Haha,
Noel Sheppard on “Bubble? What Housing Bubble?”
So who’s right about real estate – the media that have been predicting a crash for more than four years, or past and future Federal Reserve chairmen along with millions of Americans who have bought a piece of the American dream during this run-up?
http://www.businessandmediainstitute.org/specialreports/2005/mediamyths/mediamyths.asp
Poor right wing extremists, even your “experts” are idiots.
Well, with five kids … I’m screwed. What our trolls don’t seem to understand, is that socialism creeps into society on little cat’s feet. And inch here, and an inch there. Fuckers. The US’s descent into communism/socialism won’t begin with a “Year One.” But, it those five-year-plans aren’t that far off.
Snippy, care to stay on topic?
Science is science, Carin.
If the unpaid shills of the Texas oil industry think they’re helping out with boneheaded statements like “and his followers is to use the fear of man-made global warming to redistribute wealth” they’re not.
Even the Texas oil companies are going green these days.
Let’s face it, China’s going to be burning a lot more coal in the next few years. If anything could have been done before, it’s hard to see what now. At this point we should just be figuring out how we’re going to evacuate New Orleans in the next few decades, and studying how many of the new droughts in the heartland are permanent or recurrent, and what should be done.
You know what else is good Carin? A nice warm slice of pecan pie, a cup of coffee to wash it down. So very good.
Because it’s more economically feasible, parsnip, not because the gub’ment told them to.
“Green” processing–which usually means less waste of whatever type–is overall more efficient and cheaper once you’ve paid the set-up costs. More reclaimed waste is less new materials you have to buy.
Sadly, our recycling companies do not seem to have their shit together, since it’s a bigger environmental impact to make a recycled item than it is to produce a new one.
PS: LOL FOUR YEAR OLD NEWS ARTICLE IS SUPER RELEVANT. I’d say the media were failing there, since it took seven years for something “just around the corner” to actually happen.
Also, WTG parsnip on citing a source that doesn’t support your claim.
Internet people and their internet argumentation tactics.
You know, Peacan pie is not my favorite. Too sweet. And coffee … this late? I have a minor insomnia problem. I was thinking about popping some corn, though …
if only Al had some to back up his claims….
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Also also, am I one of the few scientists left on the planet who believes the terms “denial” and “denialist” do not belong in the field, no matter how angry you are at your opponents?
Scientific discourse from both sides is so much squawking and partisan posturing.
Don’t like pecan pie? No problem (though I didn’t intend that anyone rush out to get some in any case, just an alternative approach to the problem some folks turn to Trollhammer to solve [see buggywhips])! Hows about some well made cheddar cheese with your popcorn then?
Pellegri,
If you want to run a profitable company, you need to go with the flow.
Business is going green whether you right wing extremist kooks do or not.
Did you even read what I wrote, parsnip? I just…said that, and explained why it was equally profitable aside from being able to announce oneself a green company to potential investors.
Frantic keyboard mashing much?
Sniffing glue and doing Whip-Its is no substitute for educating yourself, David. The bulk of what is now called New Orleans has been below sea level since before Hernando de Soto was tossed into the Mississippi, and the “new droughts” are indistinguishable from the “old droughts”. Climate is just weather with a slightly longer time frame — it changes. The world’s been warmer than it is and it’s been colder than it is — and, looking at the lot of humanity under those different conditions, I’ll choose “warmer”, please.
But the important point is we don’t have a choice. To assume that we’re driving climate is such an act of hubris it would leave the most imaginative Greek tragedian speechless. There’s a great big ball of hot gas a hair over 98 million miles away that is sitting in the driver seat.
Which do you think will kill more people over the next 500 years — sewage in drinking water or CO2 in the atmosphere? Which garners more political capital from the left?
Now, ask yourself why.
I honestly don’t understand how a carbon tax would work, let alone be calculated. A caronara tax is better; at least you could see what you’re taxing.
People who believe in their data don’t generally have to falsify it, David. These people have no credibility.
Oops, carbonara! Ole!
Carbonara is Italian.
Also, for the love of little green apples. “Right wing extremists”, i.e., “anyone who isn’t marching lockstep with the AGW crowd” aren’t Captain Planet villains. I’m willing to bet with the exception of the more misanthropic commentors, no one here is interested in pollution for the sake of pollution, murdering polar bears, or DESTROYING THE ENTIRE WORLD FOR DELICIOUS OIL!!!! The fundamental disagreements here are: a) Is the world warming? b) Will curbing chemical emissions help at all, if (a) is true and we presume a human origin for the climate changes? and c) Is all this panic about climate change a worthwhile expenditure of our energy, money, and time in the way our leadership has seen fit to do so?
Not on the table is d): Can RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST COMPANIES make me millions of dollars by killing baby seals and boiling off the oceans?
A sense of perspective. You need it.
Dirty fucking charcoal makers. Good eats though, sort of mooseturd pie in reverse maybe.
mmmmm. we found the bestest Italian place Christmas Eve. but they were out of polenta. : (
Mmmmmm, carbonara.
Also, Rob, I’m too lazy to look right now, but I seem to remember there being a book out there by an economist who decided we could rectify most environmental problems by working to eliminate global poverty. You’d think this would be a HUGE DRAW for the progressive mindset, but I seem to remember people reviewing the book on Amazon whining about how the author was a shill for big oil.
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I was thinking to make some pasta tonight maggie, wha’da’ya think, go for it? Or biscuits and pan gravy?
Thanks for the clarification, Dan! It sounds chewy, though. Carbony.
oh, gravy. definitely gravy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonara
Carbony indeed! Fatty acids have lots and LOTS of carbon in them.
Clincher maggie, done and done.
You know, in certain parts of the country, marinara sauce is called “red gravy”.
Pellegri, your first questions are debatable. But I don’t understand where you’re going with the last and your point about perspective.
if you’re a communist, maybe. ;D
Are Italians in New Jersey communists?
Hmm… maybe they are.
Cynn, so far as I can tell from the absent parsnip’s attitude, he’s treating anyone who doesn’t believe in the strict interpretation of global warming is somehow interested in doing the worst possible thing for the environment. Thus the label “right wing extremist kook”.
See: Business is going green whether you right wing extremist kooks do or not.
It seems to me as the issues parsnip believes we’re discussing are how awful it is that people are asking big business, oil companies, China, etc. to be environmentally friendly because we want to drive our giant SUVs over mooses in the Alaskan wilderness and skin baby seals for their fur. That we still haven’t been convinced, somehow, that there are benefits to not wrecking the environment–or that we know that, but we’re intent on destroying it out of perversity because we’re Captain Planet villains.
That was the point. Many of the trolls here, however, seem to be arguing with posters in a separate universe from the rest of us, however.
Blah, sorry. By contrast, what I perceive that we’re discussing is the way that certain parties, scientists and otherwise, have leveraged a theory to do things disagreeable to our political sensibilities. NOT whether or not “going green” is a bad thing.
That should have been in there somewhere.
If nipply and his fellow travelers really believed in their crapola, they’d be chaining themselves to the doors of those nasty-assed coal-fired plants that the Chinese are bringing on-line at a rate of one per week.
As Prof. Reynolds has said on many occasions, I’ll believe in “global warming” when the people who claim to believe in it start acting like they do.
Are Italians in New Jersey communists?
Looks like it’s called that in New Orleans as well.
BTW, there’s a very, very cheap and effective way of removing excess CO2 from the atmosphere, should it actually become a problem.
The greens would shit themselves, though.
Now I’m going to take a roll of Jimmy Dean out of the freezer so I can make biscuits and gravy this weekend.
Non-linear chaotic system. But the science is settled. I guess its true that Americans are getting stupider.
Late to the question I am, but I’ll throw in a vouch for SBP’s Jersey Italiano’s calling marinara red gravy, same goes for many Italians still left in Philly and environs. Shocked me out of my provincial gravydom first time I was asked “did you want more gravy?” at the dinner table.
These people have no credibility.
Says the man who linked to a wingnut financial planner whose only claim to fame is saying their is no housing bubble.
Looks like your source is a right wing Bernie Madoff, Dan.
parsnip: Science is science, Carin.
If the unpaid shills of the Texas oil industry think they’re helping out with boneheaded statements like “and his followers is to use the fear of man-made global warming to redistribute wealth†they’re not.
Even the Texas oil companies are going green these days.
Well, I won’t argue that the multinational oil companies are going green. It’s the expedient thing to do. They answer to their shareholders.
But I do have to really question your expertise on this matter. Sure, there are oil companies headquartered in Texas, such as Exxon-Mobil, but most are owned by overseas companies (Shell, BP). But, there’s not a heck of a lot of oil being pumped out of the ground in Texas anymore compared to world production.
Maybe the Democrat Congress will change the laws to allow new, economical exploration so we don’t have to answer to your Iranian buddies anymore (I know the Saudis don’t count, because, according to the left, they’re the friends of the U.S. military-industrial complex. Unfortunately, the Presidents Bush didn’t do much to diminish this belief).
“Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.”
-Michael Crichton
You’re a drooling moron, alfie.
AGW is the biggest hoax of the new millenium.
But “The Debate is Over!, according to Al Gore, his minions, and his business partners…
Here’s a news flash; in addition to Al Gore and his peeps being mendacious connivers, science is not based on consesnsus, but on consistency and repeatability…
These folks, especially Hansen at NASA, Have an a priori agenda; and are doing all they can to condition the data to fit their hypotheses; the opposite of the primordial scientific ethos!
But, just as Obama’s flowery rhetoric has succeeded in his audience suspending disbelief and critical thinking, vis-a-vis what he’s actually saying, so too have the AGW devotees infiltrated our public institutions; to the point where this stilted data set and it’s concomitant fallacious conclusion is taken to be a matter of fact…
Increasingly, it is becoming clear that the solar activity is the primary driver of global temperature and climate evariations; not carbon dioxide concentrations, nor any by-products or actions of man…
So sorry Davud W., and all the AGW kool-aid drinkers; solar activity will always influence the Earth’s climate far more than our insignifigant presence. But it is precisely the hubris and self centered-ness of folks like yourself that will lead to naarcissistic and specious pseudo-science…
So continue to spout pronouncements of your orthodoxy, “The debate is Over!” and put foth your ridiculous malthusian arguments. While human kind is bound and destines t develop a more efficient and synergistic source of useable energy, it will not be provided by either forcibly decreasing our population nor by making existing carbon based energy sources, the predominantly available and ready sources currently, unacceptably precious, simply to fit your extreme activist environmental agenda…
No offense meant to be sure, but your notion is not factually based nor mathematically verifiable. Not only will your esteemed models not correctly reconstruct the climate history of the past, but the constants used as multiples for the many variables involved are poorly estimeated; as proved by Lord Monckton in his paper to the American Physical Society…
Again folks, you are arguing with a teenager. He has it all figured out. Your “facts” and “logic” mean nothing to him. To the teenage mind, you are just the dumbass with gray hair. You are wasting your time with parsnip/alphie/monkeyboy or whatever the hell he is calling himself these days.
If this were Berlin in 1938, nipply would be a card-carrying member of the Hitler Jugend.
It won’t hurt to mention it again: if you want to understand where the nipply types are coming from, this book will be enlightening.
I know Big D, and I confess that I’m getting very tired of dealing with the peurile trolls that infiltrate the discussion threads around here…
I have, and have always had, much better ends to pursue. No offense meant to the conscientious commenters here if I seem to disappear for a while from this forum…
So, too Ric. JHoward, SBP, Lt, JD, Carin, Hf, and many other s who I’ve enjoyed discussion with I wish a fond adieu…
I’ll return soon, but in the meantime have a creative technical project that demands my attention…
Best Wishes to all, and for what it’s worth, I’ll be back soon!
Have a Happy New Year!
Good luck on your project, Bob, and have a Happy New Year!
Being on the losing side sure makes you guys touchy!
To sum up:
1. Dan’s source is a financial guy who mis-called the biggest financial disaster in 70 years and probably bankrupted everyone he worked for. Housing Bubble? Poppycock!
2. The world is going green whether you like it or not. Why reinforce the idea y’all are just a group of geriatric cranks fighting a losing battle?
BTW, I’m neither giving up nor giving in; but occasionally in life, it’s easier to go with the current than to swim against it…If you know what I mean…
It doesn’t mean I’ve been demoralized or defeated by the dark side; I just have more productive pursuits to engage in…
Have they won…NO!
Did they beat me down…NO!
Like MacArthur; I shall return…
Best Wishes
Here alpo, go edumacate your dumb ass self with so real science:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Why reinforce the idea that you’re a drooling moron?
Go read Watts web site and learn something that has a conection with reality.
And before you drool “oil company shill”, here’s Watt’s info:
About
I’m a former television meteorologist who spent 25 years on the air and who also operates a weather technology and content business, as well as continues daily forecasting on radio, just for fun.
Weather measurement and weather presentation technology is my specialty. I also provide weather stations and custom weather monitoring solutions via http://www.weathershop.com (if you like my work, please consider buying a weather gadget there, StormPredator for example) and http://www.tempelert.com, and turn key weather channels with advertising at http://www.viziframe.com
The weather graphics you see in the lower right corner of the blog are produced by my company, IntelliWeather.
While I have a skeptical view of certain issues, I consider myself “green†in many ways, and I promote the idea of energy savings and alternate energy generation. Unlike many who just talk about it, I’ve put a 10KW solar array on my home, plus a 125 KW solar array on one of our local schools when I was a school trustee. I’ve retrofitted my home with CFL’s and better insulation, as well as installed timer switches on many of our most commonly used lights.
I also drive an electric car for my daily around town routine.
I encourage others to do the same when it comes to efficient use of energy and energy conservation.
I believe you’re thinking of Lomborg.
BTW, he’s treated worse than the Church treated Galileo.
The carbon tax has social benefits. …. It will encourage illegal immigrants to become legal, thus to obtain the dividend, and it will discourage illegal immigration because everybody pays the tax, but only legal citizens collect the dividend.
Its almost like magic.
A century ago the progressive world was going eugenic whether the rest of us like it or not, tuber. How did that work out for you all?
BTW, there’s a very, very cheap and effective way of removing excess CO2 from the atmosphere, should it actually become a problem.
That’s no solution. It doesn’t put the Central State in charge of every breath a living organism takes.
Are you saying climate change is just a ruse to cut back on the cracker population, B Moe?
“Comment by parsnip on 1/1 @ 10:08 pm #
Are you saying climate change is just a ruse to cut back on the cracker population, B Moe?”
No, you drooling moron, AGW is a ruse to gain political power, the be all and end all of collectivists everywhere.
BTW, alfie, you do realize, do you not, that you are quite insane?
The proponents of AGW are known as “watermelons”, green on the outside, red on the inside.
“Comment by parsnip on 1/1 @ 8:43 pm #
To sum up:
1. Dan’s source is a financial guy who mis-called the biggest financial disaster in 70 years and probably bankrupted everyone he worked for. Housing Bubble? Poppycock!
2. The world is going green whether you like it or not. Why reinforce the idea y’all are just a group of geriatric cranks fighting a losing battle?”
Wrong and wrong nipply, but you already know that. Dan links to a Newsbusters story which provides a link to a five page letter written to PeBHO and Mrs.PeBHO by perhaps the lead alarmist and data cooker Hansen, which exposes the AGW as the income redistribution and control scam many have suspected all along. That is the story.
The world going green has been a gradual trend for more than 20 years, but perhaps you are too you to have noticed. That trend is much different than mandatory controls on carbon producing activities, cap and trade policies and other crapola suggested by the leftwing AGW fruitcakes.
N’O
The perfect spectrum you have before you. On one end you have your son, the Marine. On the other you have parsnip. Both of the same age, but chose a different path. Your son is out doing real good in the world, parsnip still resides in the world of the theoretical. He might grow past it, but I wouldn’t bank on it. You are wasting your time.
Semper Fi.
BTW, why was the letter ALSO addressed to Mrs.PeBHO?
Becasue it’s a political ploy, not something to do in any remote way, shape or form with science.
Comment by Big D on 1/1 @ 10:18 pm #
He’s also blowing things up.
I left comments on several threads tonight, see if you can find one.
Hi-larious.
Sorry kids, medieval-grade science lost this time.
Next step: confiscating all of your wealth and directing most of it to Al Gore…so he can build an army of Giant Robots.
I object to the AGW hype for (among other reasons) the resources and attention that it sucks away from other environmental issues that need to be addressed, like the impending collapse of certain fisheries from overfishing and the hunting of endangered species for stupid reasons like “traditional medicine” aphrodisiacs. We’re spending enormous time and effort on a problem that isn’t there and ignoring many that are staring us in the face.
Before the holiday season escapes us entire, a brief round of Pogo caroling for the shivering masses at PW, from Walt Kelly, the cartoonist who brought you “We have met the enemy and he is us.”:
This is kinda belated, but:
If nipply and his fellow travelers really believed in their crapola, they’d be chaining themselves to the doors of those nasty-assed coal-fired plants that the Chinese are bringing on-line at a rate of one per week.
See, I do think they actually believe this stuff; it’s what gives them the token courage to swagger over here and stroke their e-penises in our general direction. But it’s not the secure kind of belief that’s okay with other people disagreeing; the kind that says “all right, you may disagree, but rather than wasting both our time bickering, let’s find out what we can do together that we both agree with” or even “we may not agree, but I will do what I believe is right and let you do the same”. parsnip the many-named has an insecure and underdeveloped belief, the kind that’s threatened by the mere existence of non-believers. This is the kind of stuff that spawns the label “dissenter” or “denialist”–turning it into an argument invoking morality and values so that people become emotional and flustered.
But hey, emotional name-calling is kinda the common denominator of the internets. Damn you, internets!
Rob: I probably am, thank you! I’m thinking I may go buy his book and read up.
I’m a sucker for Gallileos; but then, I take most of my philosophy of science from Paul Feyerabend. Amazing fellow and something of a target of ostracism himself, mostly because unlike Kuhn or most of his contemporaries, Feyerabend did not suck up to science as the most amazing human institution EVORS, OF ALL TIME.
Comment by JohnAnnArbor on 1/1 @ 10:28 pm #
I object to the AGW hype for (among other reasons) the resources and attention that it sucks away from other environmental issues that need to be addressed, like the impending collapse of certain fisheries from overfishing and the hunting of endangered species for stupid reasons like “traditional medicine†aphrodisiacs. We’re spending enormous time and effort on a problem that isn’t there and ignoring many that are staring us in the face.
And John makes the perfect point. There is so much we can do to fight real problems, but, no, we have to spend time an money on the PC correct problems.
Why don’t the AGW folks pick up trash, recycle, use organic products, stop chemical pesticide use and do things locally that could make a difference.
I do. I’m a conservative and I have never put a chemical on my yard. I recycle religiously (although, I doubt it really helps). Both of my cars are small and have low pollution certification. I try to raise my own food and buy from local farmers.
I don’t do these things because it’s PC. I do it because it makes sense and saves me money.
Comment by N. O’Brain on 1/1 @ 10:20 pm #
Comment by Big D on 1/1 @ 10:18 pm #
He’s also blowing things up
That’s what Marines do. Good times!
BTW I saw in another thread that your son was in the 8th Marines. My old regiment. Several years ago though.
WTF are you talking about?
What’s “medieval-grade” is the AGW industry — carbon credits are simply indulgences; the claims being made are completely non-scientific because they’re unfalsifiable — when a predictions fails, its proponents either deny making the prediction or declare its failure as its proof.
We have solar panels here at Chatêau Pellegri. I think we’re actually putting power back into the grid 80-90% of the time, and this is with a miniature server farm, a bunch of household appliances, and scads of computers running a lot of the time.
I’m just trying to understand all your wingnut/truther conspiracy theories No Brain.
So climate change is a ruse to allow atmospheric scientists to seize power?
parsnip, understand sir Brain up there requires reading more than every third word.
What’s “medieval-grade†is the AGW industry  carbon credits are simply indulgences;
And denialist is just another way of saying heretic.
It’s not simply a matter of “PC” — the hard green movement is a religious movement. The people who throw fits over the idea of someone’s religious faith informing their views on, say, medical ethics, have no issue allowing a different religious faith form the basis of our scientific and economic policies.
I blame the failure of education, particularly the apparent abandonment of teaching critical thinking, logic, and real skepticism.
Time to mention again that we have a nearly 100% carbon-free source of energy, which is the cleanest, safest, and most sustainable energy source known to man.
But somehow the greens won’t let us build them.
Especially since some of the True Believers have called to make “denial” a crime.
Even the founder of Greenpeace and James “Gaia” Lovelock support nuclear power these days.
There’s been some interesting work on liquid nitrogen-powered cars in recent years. See here and here.
LN2 is dirt-cheap (if you have cheap nuclear electricity), effectively limitless (since it’s not actually being “burned” — you’re just exploiting the phase change from liquid to gas), and much safer and easier to store than hydrogen.
Spies! I knew before I clicked what book you linked to. What a big thinker we had in that man. Don’t you wonder what he’d say about bailouts?
Big D, don’t blame the “theoretical” for these trolls. They can’t survive in that world either. Petraeus is a theoretician, and he hasn’t done so badly for us.
Ag80, I’m right with you there. I was raised on the old protestant “stewardship” notion, and then was a Scout, then a self-reliance hermit. None of these snot-nose brats know a thing about environmental concern I didn’t abosrb with Mother’s milk. But, like the minions demonstrated in Spies’ citation above, they just got their consciousness raised and they have to share! their new-found righteousness. How drab and low-class. You’d think they’d outgrow it.
Here’s my problem with Hansen: an asteroid hitting the earth is a valid, if unlikely, concern, like the issues John AnnArb mentions. If & when, we’re going to need a worldwide coalition of the willing, pronto. It’s in Hansen’s bailiwick–but he’s busy ruining the reputation of science. After the smoking scam and AGW, it’s not likely people will ever trust “scientists” like him ever again. Did anyone ever think that our national contributions to NASA would be used as a weapon against us, as he has tried to do?
Close with a joke: As a child I had an English neighbor who was a veteran of the Boer War. He was of the old blighty stock, and had been a crane operator and ‘stationary’ engineer (back then, boiler-stoker) before being overtaken by a mighty thirst. He was roundly impressed with the discovery of the VanAllen belts in 1958, but not in the way you’d think. Whenever we’d get terrible weather after that, he’d tell anyone who’d listen, “It’s them goddamn r-rockets theer shuitin’ arf. Thur teerin’ a hoole in the sky!” And we’d smile, and shake our heads, and go tsk-tsk. He didn’t live to see the spray-cans outlawed.
OT, I am really sick of Palin jokes. But then Letterman is STILL going “hey here’s a clip of a monkey sneezing!”, so I suppose I shouldn’t be looking for novelty.
Oh, lordy. Barrett Brown is on Fox right now preaching the atheist gospel. He’s pretty much what you’d expect.
No wonder you’re such a wingered weirdo. You watch that nutty giggling morning show on Fox versus Mike and Mike or Squawk Box.
Barrett, if you’re out there, I bought your book.
BB’s gonna sue us all, Pablo. Did he get to that part?
I see a troll posted at #84. They’re in the bin. The bin they’re in.
JHo eats squirrel sausage and greased biscuits in the morning.
All I have to do is vary my name.
Big tricky that!
BB on Foxnews? That goofball who never really stated his views, merely stringing us along for a few weeks?
??? Oh I think Barrett stated his views with much clarity, and I think Thomas Jefferson founded the University of Virginia and I think your state tax dollars have always funded state education at the university level.
Thanks Carin.
I forgot to use the varied limp-wristed, lispy, faggoty thwor moniker. I’m so smart that I watch Squawk Box at the soup kitchen. If you took Mike and Mike’s advise in 2008, you’d be broke today. I get the NYT so I have a blanket for my park bench bed, and I have library internet access so I can call people redumblicans and hicktards—behold my brilliance.
Well, JHoward, his rights are going to be violated by Rick Warren speaking so recourse is a possibility. Who, Barrett tells us, right out of the gate, is not a threat because he’s not very clever. And that being the metric, dear Barrett is a walking nuclear weapon, no?
Yeah, Carin, that Barrett. The hipster dork with the stick up his ass.
You know what’s nice about the troll bin? It’s bottomless, like a righteous cup of coffee.
From the “Buggy whip” thread:
“Comment by thor on 1/2 @ 1:07 am #
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Comment by parsnip on 1/1 @ 8:44 pm #
Funnily enough, Pol Pot had the same targets you right wing loons have, SBP: Teachers, Journalists and Judges.
Coincidence?
I don’t think so.
Yours is an astute observation â€Â
Proof positive that thor is insane.
Did these ‘esteemed scientists’ happen to check solar sunspot activities for this time of excess carbon dioxide 630 million years ago, or magnetic field strength, or water vapor concentrations, you know alternative possibilities for that phenomenon? I doubt it, this is the church of satanic CO2 that has arisen in the wackadoo leftwing. Forgive us Al Gore for we have carbonated. Buy ten carbon credits and vote for Obama and you will be forgiven.
I think parsnip = alphie = actus. Someone’s probably mentioned this before.
thor is a sociopath. Not too clever that one. Trying to create some made-up persona. Constantly outsmarted by the wittier commentors here. Hook ’em Horns, thor. You are not like any Aggie I know.
Dunno how any of you can watch Fox at all. Idiocy doesn’t cancel, it adds.
Which anti-idiocy channel do you prefer?
And CNN causes, what, brain cancer?
:>)
Rebinned, thorr. The binned yer inned, thorr.
It causes thorr, O’Brain.
Ag8o, have you seen Penn & Teller on recycling? I’m with you (conservation rather than religious environmentalism) but recycling appears to be the fiscal equivalent of grieving hewn trees by screaming at their “brothers” in the woods.
Unless they’re Ents, probably. Then it gets you some hearty, boulder-tossing mates to knock down the dark towers of capitalism with.
It does depend though doesn’t it, JHoward? I mean to say depends on what the stuff for re-cycling is, so for instance, little pieces of plastic or iron, stupid, whereas little pieces of aluminum or plutonium, shmart.
#100
That one is easy to figure out. Just go and look in dumpsters in an industrial park. Nothing is being sperated except those materials that have real scrap value. Metals. Even so, recyclers in this area aren’t accepting any more steel scrap, even cars are being turned away. Market forces.
Now I’m just wondeing what made-up crap the left is gonna come with next to replace this embarassing boondogle.
At a guess Rusty, the next looney trek will have something to do with human manipulation of DNA, along the lines of the Frankenfoods goofiness, though in what particulars I’m not prepared to guess.
Maybe they can ban home DNA experimentation.
That’d be a good thing.
No more thors.
Did these ‘esteemed scientists’ happen to check solar sunspot activities for this time of excess carbon dioxide 630 million years ago
I’ve posted this chart several times, always to dead silence from the “global warming” True Believers.
Since it’s painfully clear from the graph that a) CO2 levels have little to no correlation to global temperature and b) CO2 levels have been much higher in the past without leading to TEH DESTRUCTION OF TEH PLANET!!1!1!, they simply ignore it.
More “Climate Change” lunacy to come yet, *, in a “Plan-B” it appears. (h/t HotAir)
BTW, alfie, you do realize, do you not, that you are quite insane?
No, it’s not insane, it accomplishes exactly what it wants each and every time; getting people arguing the idiocies it spews instead of whatever the thread topic is. Read its spewings, they are full of obviously, even-that-10-year-old-has-to-know falsities. The other day it threw in that Israeli tanks are crap, gratuitously threw it in. Now, somone could have spent 30 minutes crafting a response that shows that Israeli tanks are some of the finest in the world and that’s exactly what alfie/parsnip/actus wanted. It’s too ignorant and stupid to add anything to a conversation so it detracts.
Don’t get me wrong, I think 10 year olds like that are fun to poke with a stick, but don’t answer as if they mean what they say, just point and laugh. It’s not really worth anything else.
It does, but in most cases, the result defeats the purpose — Rusty notes the practical solution.
Plus: This morning a train of huge bellowing trucks came through just like they do every Friday, all from the same outfit. One to collect separated recyclables, one for lawn debris, one for trash, and one for something else, maybe construction crap. What a waste of resources, equipment, and manpower.
Does it keep anything cleaner? Nope. Landfills are wonderfully efficient inventions, even returning appreciable electrical energy back to the system while being topped over with golf courses and the like.
More from Hansen here, from 2-1/2 yrs ago. Even it presents no defensible argument except to possibly refute AGW proponents by way of its illustrating very long term trends that confirm cycling.
Add Einstein’s dictum on insanity to Veeshir’s post at 107 and you reach another conclusion as to who’s nuts and who’s not.
Well…
Also, there’s often news reported and newsmakers interviewed. It’s an information thing.
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Comment by thwor on 1/2 @ 7:17 am #
I forgot to use the varied limp-wristed, lispy, faggoty thwor moniker. I’m so smart that I watch Squawk Box at the soup kitchen. If you took Mike and Mike’s advise in 2008, you’d be broke today. I get the NYT so I have a blanket for my park bench bed, and I have library internet access so I can call people redumblicans and hicktardsâ€â€behold my brilliance.
Mike and Mike is the morning show on ESPN. You’d probably be broke taking their investing advice on any given year.
I’m pretty sure this is proof prositive I’m the only sane heterosexual man on this thread.
Sports. It’s what real men care about. Steve Doocey, not so much.
“Sports. It’s what real men care about.”
So, you do what? Tatting?
Good luck with your sock puppet bin.
I’m not into AGW. Does pollution cause environmental problems? You’d be a fool to think there’s no effect but I don’t care enough to want to know to what extent. Nothing I can do about it. Besides, where I live the air quality is always good and one can see a million stars so all I can do is recycle my glass and newspaper and try to buy stuff that’s in packaged in paper-based packages, which I’d do anyway.
See the Redwings/Blackhawks game, JHo? Outdoor game. Cool, no?
Good luck with your sock puppet bin.
I’m not into AGW. Does pollution cause environmental problems? You’d be a fool to think there’s no effect but I don’t care enough to want to know to what extent. Nothing I can do about it. Besides, where I live the air quality is always good and one can see a million stars so all I can do is recycle my glass and newspaper and try to buy stuff that’s in packaged in paper-based packages, which I’d do anyway.
See the Redwings/Blackhawks game, JHo? Outdoor game. Cool, no?
I’m pretty sure this is proof prositive I’m the only sane heterosexual man on this thread.
I’ll bet that’s what your boyfriend tells you, and you’re just feeling nuts!
The Trollhammer is faster than the thor.
Oh, and parsnip, the oil companies aren’t going green, they’re just moving their HQ’s to Switzerland to get away from O! It was nice having some tax revenue rather than none.
“have you seen Penn & Teller on recycling?”
OMG. Now Howie and fellow travelers get their opinions from stand-up comedy. Denialism has finally reached that humpbacked cul-de-sac of evolution.
As George Carlin said, humans behave like a virus in a formerly balanced ecosystem and someday the Earth is gonna shake us off like a bad head cold.
Semanticleo, that’s about as funny as funny can be.
Quoth SemanticleoOMG. Now Howie and fellow travelers get their opinions from stand-up comedy
Immediately followed by:
As George Carlin said,
Dude, that’s darn funny, too bad you didn’t mean it that way.
You should see them on faith, missclio.
And in the bin you go.
“Semanticleo, that’s about as funny as funny can be.
Quoth SemanticleoOMG. Now Howie and fellow travelers get their opinions from stand-up comedy
Immediately followed by:
As George Carlin said,”
Well, I just figured if comedians have such authority, you might want to hear another opinion.
Irony is too big a word ’cause it has three syllables.
“they’re just moving their HQ’s to Switzerland to get away from O! It was nice having some tax revenue rather than none.”
S’OK.
We’ll just Nationalize their domestic refineries. The precedent has been set.
I see you’re trying to bluff your way out, but I’ve seen you work before, so I’ll reiterate
Dude, that’s darn funny, too bad you didn’t mean it that way.
“And in the bin you go.”
Is that a reward or a penalty? If it has the same benefit as TrollHammer, it’s yet another two-edged sword.
Cleo if there was a socialist running that would admit it he would get your vote wouldn’t he?
“OMG. Now Howie and fellow travelers get their opinions from stand-up comedy. Denialism has finally reached that humpbacked cul-de-sac of evolution.
As George Carlin said, humans behave like a virus in a formerly balanced ecosystem and someday the Earth is gonna shake us off like a bad head cold.”
Couldn’t be funnier…
Miss Cleo criticizes you for getting your opinion from a stand up, then quotes one.
Unintentionally, obviously.
Hysterical illustration of the cognitive difficulties of the left…
#123 By the National Socialists?
“I see you’re trying to bluff your way out, but I’ve seen you work before,”
Yet another lurker who finally gets the courage to comment and what does it do; it feathers it’s bird nest with N’OBish repetition, in case we missed the first. I’ve seen your work before.
“Unintentionally, obviously.”
try to catch up………..
As opposed to getting opinions from Al Gore? Not sure what your point is, here. Al has never been the sharpest bowling ball on the rack.
Comment by Semanticleo on 1/2 @ 12:10 pm #
Do you speak English?
“We’ll just Nationalize their domestic refineries. The precedent has been set.”
Ah, a national socialist.
That explains a lot.
And I still want to know if you speak English.
Comment by poppa india on 1/2 @ 12:47 pm #
Great minds and all that.
Does ANYONE here know if semantic (HAH!) speaks English.
Because someone with the word semantic (HAH!) in their username should be able to speak English.
Anyone?
the oil companies aren’t going green, they’re just moving their HQ’s to Switzerland to get away from O!
Too bad they still have to pump their oil from land owned by the people of the U.S.
The Mexicans will be happy to pump it for us doing a better job and at a lower cost.
Enjoy the fondue, traitors.
Are there any funny right wing stand ups?
All I see are the tired old former liberal farts who haven’t been funny in decades.
#Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 1:10 pm #
Can someone translate that to Sane?
I’m not new here semanticleo, you and I have interacted before, that’s why I know you didn’t mean it that way.
Does feigning a learning disability get you many laughs, No Brain?
You’ve used the same tired jokes several times in this thread alone.
I had to do a search for where I knew you from it was Wizbang and here as well.
Search for “veeshir semanticleo” and you’ll see why I have such a low opinion of your cognitive abilities. I’ve seen them in action.
Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 1:22 pm #
Can someone translate that into Sane for me?
Comment by N. O’Brain on 1/2 @ 1:31 pm #
Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 1:22 pm #
Can someone translate that into Sane for me?
DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?
I see, hillbilly humor.
If it ain’t funny, just repeat it a few more times.
#Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 1:37 pm #
Can someone translate that into Sane? I don’t understand crazy people.
That’s okay, let it all out No Brain.
I’m sure our troops overseas are proud to be defending your right! to be an infant online.
All I know is if my wife eats too many meat balls her farts are nasty. Global micro climate nastiness.
My tooting gets fired up on classic standards like Mexican food. Ole’.
“Comment by N. O’Brain on 1/2 @ 1:46 pm #
Can someone translate that into Sane for me?
All I’m hearing from alpo is some kind of weird yipping, the kind of noise crazy people make talking to their invisible friends.
Hey, Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?
N O’B, I’ll translate this
I’m sure our troops overseas are proud to be defending your right! to be an infant online.
It has the same translation as everything alfie says, “I have nothing to add to this conversation but I am full of hate so I’ll detract from the conversation and make myself laugh when you respond.”
I’m pretty sure even alfie doesn’t believe what it says, it just says it to get a reaction.
Unlike semanticleo, who I’m pretty sure really is that dimwitted.
I’m not hearing anything from nipply at the moment.
Apparently, No Brain find the idea that our troops overseas are defending us somehow is “crazy.”
Maybe he’s become a liberal?
*rimshot*
Thanks, V, that’s helpful.
I do know my troop son overseas is proud of me.
And he is defending alpo’s right to post insane comments using other people’s bandwidth.
You’re not worthy of licking parsnip’s invisible friends.
P’brain, why don’t you repeat “timor mortis conturbat me”. At least Dan Collins would be impressed if you did that.
Here’s the comment that convinced me that alfie is nuttier than squirrel shit:
“Comment by parsnip on 1/1 @ 8:44 pm #
Funnily enough, Pol Pot had the same targets you right wing loons have, SBP: Teachers, Journalists and Judges.
Coincidence?
I don’t think so.”
From the “Buggy Whip” thread.
I mean what else does it take to prove that someone like alfie is a reactionary leftist moonbat?
thor, you can repeat “rigor mortis in my brain”
Don’t stop now, No Brain.
You were approaching Denis Miller levels of humor with your infantile game.
And thor, the only impression you’ve ever made was the time you slammed your face into the cookie dough.
Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 2:07 pm #
Wha?
Those were Pol Pot’s targets, No Brain: Teachers, Journalists and Judges.
You didn’t think Rush cribs all his wit from Goebbels alone, did you?
I rest my case.
#Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 2:11 pm #
Huh?
Huh?
Haha, a perfect summation of the Republican party’s reaction to the last election.
#Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 2:16 pm #
QUE?
Guys – avoid the lamprous trolls. #2 is an example of a lamprous troll.
On topic – in other words the climate scientists have no idea, really, about what happens when carbon dioxide percentages increase. Does the world get hotter or colder? And remember – CO2 is 0.03 percent of air.
QUE?
Isn’t that what Sarah Palin said to Katie Couric?
*rimshot*
“#Comment by Mikey NTH on 1/2 @ 2:48 pm #
The science indicates that CO2 is a trailing indicator of warming, not a leading indicator.
It’s also only number 2 on the list of most powerful greenhouse gasses. Number 1 is orders of magnitude more powerful, yet there are no plans to control it.
That number one greenhouse gas — would that be (gasp!) dihydrogen monoxide?
#166:
Got it now. Thanks.
But how much percentage and how fast is a good question. Plants use CO2 for photosynthesis, that much I do know. A gradual increase in CO2 could result in increased vegetation, which is a boon to animal life (omnivores and carnivores need herbivorous animals and herbs to survive). What is the point that the increase becomes detrimental?
#167:
Then we need to encourage legumes, that fix nitrogen from the air into the soil. Soy for all!
What is the point that the increase becomes detrimental?
When a corporation might profit from it.
“I mean what else does it take to prove that someone like alfie is a reactionary leftist moonbat?”
His point is quite salient. Shutting down dissent starts with silencing teachers, journalists, and judges.
Wingnuts are not the only people who get to cry “POL POT!” or “NAZI!” or “GOEBBELS!” or “LENIN!” whenever it is convenient. Though they certainly do it with the most frequency.
More to the point, when water is cold it cannot contain as much CO2 as when it is warmer.
I see the amateur chemists are out in force. I took HS chemistry too, can I be a wingnut climate scientist?
Shutting down dissent starts with silencing teachers…
You know, like free speech zones and hate speech rules and all like that.
…journalists…
and the Fairness doctrine.
A last (I hope).
If global warming releases water from a solid (ice) to a liquid, and increases the range of the tropical and subtropical and temperate zones, wouldn’t that mean that more water would be evaporated into the atmosphere and fall as rain? The increased precipitation might make marginal areas better for life than otherwise. Cold is a bigger threat to animal life than warmth.
And what is meant by climate change? If northern Pennsylvania gets as warm as northern Virginia (a shift of a few degrees in summer and winter) that will end the existence of everything?
I see the amateur chemists are out in force. I took HS chemistry too, can I be a wingnut climate scientist?
No need, you are such a natural sycophant.
B Moe – yes, the wingnuts are so thoroughly discriminated against! I mean, they didn’t dictate policy the last 8 years or anything.
More to the point, when water is cold it cannot contain as much CO2 as when it is warmer.
Hmm… I think you’ve got that backwards, Mark. Consider the difference between opening a warm soda or beer and a cold one.
It’s just more drama-queen posturing from the most pathetically sensitive crybabies in America.
I see the amateur chemists
I see someone doesn’t understand the difference between physics and chemistry.
“I see someone doesn’t understand the difference between physics and chemistry.”
I’m pretty sure you don’t know the difference, if there is one.
Whoops!
Sorry, that was about 10 seconds’ worth of Google.
But, yanno, the real answer is complicated and depends on partial pressure of CO2. I don’t think we’re anywhere NEAR maxing out CO2 solubility at the current partial pressure, though.
And yes, I am an amateur chemist at best. Admittedly. I’m an engineer, and not a chemical engineer, either.
I…
…forgot what I was going to say. Lol@trolls, however.
I took HS chemistry too, can I be a wingnut climate scientist?
Not even HS science is required!
The loser in Dan’s original post is just a failed financial adviser.
James Hansen is a failed financial adviser? What the fuck are you going on about?
#186:
LOL lamprous trolls.
They are all about themselves and not the topic of the post. Such as: Why would the extension of the temperate zone further north (or south, depending where on the equator you look) be a bad thing? Why would the extension of the subtropical and tropical zones be bad when each of those zones are the home for an incredible amount of life?
I know what I said (ban me – ha!) but the extension of life-friendly zones seems to be a good thing for humans. Unless you see a human as a virus.
Well, I work for the AEI as a climate scientist / economist / GOP campaign strategist. My BA is in polisci from Liberty University. Law degree from same.
I was referring to Noel Sheppard, who just last year was telling his Republican clients that the so-called “housing bubble” was as phony as the climate change hoax.
And they say the right has no sense of humor.
Dan cracked me up when I saw who he was linking to.
“Just last year”? Parsnip, you linked a report from 2005 to bear out your point. O_o
“Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 4:36 pm #
Well, I work for the AEI as a climate scientist / economist / GOP campaign strategist. My BA is in polisci from Liberty University. Law degree from same.”
HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!
So what is your point then, do you think Hansen didn’t really write the letter? What does Sheppard’s opinion on the housing situation, (which appears to be the same as Biden and Frank et al had at the time, by the way) have to do with what Hansen stated in the letter to the Obamas?
Frank Tipler on “global warming”.
Richard Lindzen on “global warming.
But hey, Lindzen is just a Harvard-trained atmospheric physicist and professor of meteorology at MIT, and Tipler is only a mathematical physicist.
It’s not like they’re real scientists or anything. We all know that real scientists have reached consensus on this issue, so there’s no need to debate the issue any longer.
I think the MINORITY opinion in a field with a majority consensus deserves that position instead of treating it as some sort of he said she said with equal footing. Like the 10k year old earth, dinosaurs being large lizards, intelligent design and other various wingnut hobby horses.
I’m sorry, that’s the 5k year old earth.
assclown, if you’re talking to me you can save your breath.
The only time I see anything you write is if someone else quotes it (as with your idiotic conflation of physics and chemistry above).
You’re simply not worth my time.
In all fairness, science can have disagreements among experts. Great, good.
Your obsession with a fringe group of scientists is indicatvie of a larger problem.
SBP – I didn’t conflate anything and your claim shows you are either a fucking moron or willfully ignorant of the intersection of physics and chemistry. Either way – fuck off, you ain’t worth my time.
“#Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 5:16 pm #
In all fairness, science can have disagreements among experts. Great, good.
Your obsession with a fringe group of scientists is indicatvie of a larger problem.”
I read your flatulence.
And laugh and laugh and laugh.
And you’re a minority of one.
One repulsively ugly-souled asshole, but hey….
“Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 5:16 pm #
In all fairness, science can have disagreements among experts. Great, good.”
Um, no, science doesn’t work like that.
SBP – I didn’t conflate anything and your claim shows you are either a fucking moron or willfully ignorant of the intersection of physics and chemistry. Either way – fuck off, you ain’t worth my time.
I’d love to hear NOBs thoughts on how science works but I’m afraid it would involve Jesus.
SBP – I didn’t conflate
Buh-bye.
It’s cute how you claim to really want to ignore me. So hard. But can’t help sending love notes across the TrollHammer wall. Loud and clear, sweetie.
Your obsession with a fringe group of scientists is indicatvie of a larger problem.
Fringe = Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Mainstream = assclown.
Got it.
“#Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 5:22 pm #
I’d love to hear NOBs thoughts on how science works but I’m afraid it would involve Jesus.”
Ah, more ignorance from the ugly-souled one. You’re brain spits out one big stereotype after another, completely unconnected to anything but your prejudices and your mindless hate.
Pitiful, just pitiful.
And wrong.
You know why asshole?
Other than you being a fucktard, I mean.
The way to greater wisdom is surely to just to seek out those people with similar views to your own.
So, NOB. There are no disagreements among experts in science. Do tell. Expound at length. Feel free to use Jesus.
I’m sorry, that’s the 5k year old earth.
If the earth really were only 5000 years old then I might take the AGW folks a bit more seriously, because then the data pool you have would almost be a significant sample. But since it is actually much, much older any unbiased observer with the slightest bit of a scientific background sees the movement for the opportunistic bit of huskerterism it is.
Oh wait, I got it. NOB thinks talking about science is one of those “dancing about architecture” things.
“#
Comment by toSBP on 1/2 @ 5:30 pm #
So, NOB. There are no disagreements among experts in science. Do tell. Expound at length. Feel free to use Jesus.”
You’re wrong, fuckstick, because I’m an agnostic.
Now go sit in the corner and suck your thumb like a good little retard, ‘mkay?
“#Comment by toSBP on 1/2 @ 5:33 pm #
Oh wait, I got it. NOB thinks talking about science is one of those “dancing about architecture†things.”
Um, no, no I don’t. Now go sit in the corner and let the adults talk.
B Moe – There is money being made on both sides of the AGW controversy. Of this there can be no doubt. HOWEVER – Calling AGW opportunistic hucksterism completely ignores the money, interests, and motivation of the anti-AGW side. Cause it is pretty obvious.
“#Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 5:39 pm #
B Moe – There is money being made on both sides of the AGW controversy. Of this there can be no doubt. HOWEVER – Calling AGW opportunistic hucksterism completely ignores the money, interests, and motivation of the anti-AGW side. Cause it is pretty obvious.”
Oh, good, some solid facts.
Um, you can provide some links that back up your proposition, right?
Hey, NOB. Big guy, Big adult guy. Tell me how there are no disagreements among experts in science. Or, were you just spouting off some hyperpedantic point you had seen someone else say? Cause that’s what I think happened.
Whoa! Science-guy! Slow down, okay? First, provide some links on how science is really done.
“#Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 5:39 pm #
B Moe – There is money being made on both sides of the AGW controversy. Of this there can be no doubt. HOWEVER – Calling AGW opportunistic hucksterism completely ignores the money, interests, and motivation of the anti-AGW side. Cause it is pretty obvious.â€Â
Linkys?
Any?
Hey, B Moe, were you at all surprised at OleMiss’ abuse of TexsTech today? Somehow, despite little familiarity with either one of them, I wasn’t. Which I guess is just my prejudice toward Big12 defenses showing, or rather the lack of them.
‘Bama stomps the daylights out of Utah later.
IDF squashes Ham-ass later still.
“#Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 5:39 pm #
B Moe – There is money being made on both sides of the AGW controversy. Of this there can be no doubt. HOWEVER – Calling AGW opportunistic hucksterism completely ignores the money, interests, and motivation of the anti-AGW side. Cause it is pretty obvious.â€Â
Proof?
Any?
C’mon, fucktard, let’s see a story about the outrage over a scientist being threatened with losing his job because he’s a proponent of AGW.
Yoooo hooooo, asssssscrack!!!!
NOB – your wet dreams are about as relevant as your imaginary example. Is that the level of evidence required? You are so fucked up.
The beauty is, according to you, every scientific opinion is like a snowflake. Incredible in its uniqueness, to be cherished. Sounds kinda liberal to me.
Hey, B Moe, were you at all surprised at OleMiss’ abuse of TexsTech today? Somehow, despite little familiarity with either one of them, I wasn’t. Which I guess is just my prejudice toward Big12 defenses showing, or rather the lack of them.
I am never surprised to see a Big 12 team go down in a bowl, particularly the BCS. I think FL is going to absolutely demolish OK.
There are no disagreements among experts in science. Do tell.
So you agree there is no consensus then? That the science is still unsettled?
Before I go back to ignoring the trolls – I do wonder if the clown could try, once, to make a point without sounding like one of the patients at the Elgin Mental Health hospital profanely snarling at enemies both imagined and exaggerated…
‘praps not.
“So you agree there is no consensus then? That the science is still unsettled?”
Uh, what? Consensus != settled science.
Maj John, what’s your take on the Burris mandamus filing before the ISC and how (when?) the ISC will handle it?
Maj. John, if you feel like it, your knowledge of Illinois politics would be welcome down in this thread, which the trolls are avoiding as if it were radioactive.
Hah, crossed with Sdferr.
Fuck Blago. He should go. What else is there to say?
Indeed, what else.
profanely snarling at enemies both imagined and exaggerated…
Nice to see John branching out into irony.
Well, that’s a genuinely hopeful sign.
Whenever there’s something going on that may cause the Proggs trouble, you can depend upon it: thor will show up flinging gratuitous insults, Russian prostitutes, and Master of Fucking Assholery degrees; assclown will chime in, disagreeing forcefully with irrelevant details and subordinate clauses, and making sarcastic remarks about anyone so foolish as to pay attention to the issue; and monkyboy, in his inimitable way, will combine more-in-sorrow-than-anger (“paying attention to this sort of thing is why the American Street® doesn’t like you”) with “OOOH! Look! Shiny bunnies!”
So I take it that the wheels are coming off the AGW scam, because the trolls won’t tolerate discussion of same. This is a good thing. Thanks, guys.
Regards,
Ric
What discussion, Ric?
The debate is already over and the good guys won.
You guys are starting to sound like those sad old soldiers who claim the U.S. actually won Vietnam.
“Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 5:56 pm #
NOB – your wet dreams are about as relevant as your imaginary example. Is that the level of evidence required? You are so fucked up.”
Proooooof.
You made an assertion.
Back it up.
Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 6:31 pm #
Insane I tell ya.
Nuttier than a case of Skippy peanut butter.
The debate isn’t over.
The US won the ground war in VietNam and the Democratic Congress pissed it away.
THAT debate IS over.
For someone willing to learn something, go here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Hmmm, let me retract that statement.
The debate over AGW is over.
There is none.
Parsniphole, you say the debate is OVER. You’ve mastered mimicry; that’s the line AlGore said, once. Neither you nor AlGore have the chops to shut down legitimate debate.
AGW’s simply not going to fly. Obviously, scientists will debate the AGW issue; no true scientist worth his parchment will quietly shut up and be silent just because a bloated failed politician says to do so.
The only reason you, whoever you are, agree with AGW, is that you enjoy polishing Democrat’s knobs, no matter what line of crap they’re selling you. You are not a scientist, that’s obvious.
You’re just another lefty rally boy with a wide-open mouth.
Wow. Parsnip and assclown can’t even get their wrong theories right. (Vietnam Vets and age of the Earth, respectively)
SSG – Wow. Parsnip and assclown can’t even get their wrong theories right. (Vietnam Vets and age of the Earth, respectively)
I’ll venture you are missing the point of noting wrong theories.
Not at all. I just think it’s funny that you want to poke fun and don’t even know of what.
Laughing @ your expense.
Find any proof yet, asscrack?
NOB, you and maggie need a different hobby besides begging. It his unseemly. Oh, and how does science work? Science-guy. You made an assertion! BACK IT UP WITH LINKS!!! OR I WILL WHINE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
I win.
Laughing @ your expense.
(Thanks, Sarge)
There’s nothing funny about the collapse of the Republicans Ratso.
Well, maybe there is.
Now, you got anything?
I thought not.
Phony.
Poseur.
Liar.
Bandwidth thief.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
“Not at all. I just think it’s funny that you want to poke fun and don’t even know of what.”
Hey, then. Tell me which theory of the earth’s age I should be poking fun of. The one based on geology or the one based on the bible?
“#Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 7:01 pm #
There’s nothing funny about the collapse of the Republicans Ratso.
Well, maybe there is.”
Crazy, I tell you.
Do you listen to voices in your head, alpo?
NOB – A website link is a “win”? Cool!
http://www.realclimate.org
I WIN!
Science, NOB? Where’s you link on science, science-guy?
I WIN!
They teach you science in the military, NOB?
“Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 7:05 pm #
NOB – A website link is a “winâ€Â? Cool!”
Not really, I glanced at the front page.
It’s almost as mindlessly snarky as you.
Science-guy? Where’s your link?
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!
“#Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 7:07 pm #
They teach you science in the military, NOB?”
Try paying attention, asscrack.
wattsupwiththat is a meteorologist toying with local numbers and extrapolates that to “STICK IT TO THE MAN”. What’s his funding source?
http://www.climateaudit.org/
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!
http://climatesci.org/
I think it’s funny that you are familiar with the two well known, and popular, RW crank climate sites but have never done more than “look at the front page” of realclimate.org. Tells me alot. Like you are a hack. Which I already knew. So it didn’t tell me shit. Thanks.
http://www.climate-skeptic.com/
http://www.icecap.us/
http://2008.weblogawards.org/nominations/best-science-blog/
Scroll down and check out the nominations. Spammed to death with jackasses, possibly doing an astroturf job, trying to get your two pet sites nominated. If their science is so damn awesome, why’d they do that? Why do you think?
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/
“Try paying attention, asscrack.”
I’m trying. Your non sequiturs are tough to follow.
You asserted
“B Moe – There is money being made on both sides of the AGW controversy. Of this there can be no doubt. HOWEVER – Calling AGW opportunistic hucksterism completely ignores the money, interests, and motivation of the anti-AGW side. Cause it is pretty obvious.â€Â
Prove it.
LIIIIIIIINKS! No, I mean supporting –
“Comment by N. O’Brain on 1/2 @ 5:21 pm #
“Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 5:16 pm #
In all fairness, science can have disagreements among experts. Great, good.â€Â
Um, no, science doesn’t work like that.”
Hurry! Scientists are waiting with bated breath!
Oh noes! crossing demands for linkZ!? Your assertion was first. Go ahead, cupcake. I mean, science-guy.
“Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 7:18 pm #”
I can’t help it if the comment whizzed right over your pointy little head.
Got anything to back up your assertion?
[tap tap tap]
Is this thing on?
“I can’t help it if the comment whizzed right over your pointy little head.”
Weak.
Helllooooooo!!!!
Asssssccrack!!!!!!
Anything?
“#
Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 7:21 pm #
“I can’t help it if the comment whizzed right over your pointy little head.â€Â
Weak.”
True. Big difference.
Ah, well, I think at this point in time we have proven that asscrack is a craven liar.
Epic fail.
Ok, science-guy. Say a bunch of bullshit you know nothing about and then claim victory. Is that a science thing?
Hey, assclown! I’ve got that question I’ve been waiting for you to answer. Now would be a good time, since you’re clearly not doing anything productive.
#231 – my gut feeling is that the IL SCT would grant mandamus. Jessie White is just posturing, ala our AG, the Ward Bosses Daughter. Mere formality is all. To use an example that is near and dear to Left-Conspiracy Theorists hearts, it is like Kathleen Harris “certifying” the FL result in ’01.
Oh, this guy puts the CO2 myth to bed. No smoking hot spot
Totally a right wing crank sort, no doubt. An Australian Republican, to be sure.
“Hey, assclown! I’ve got that question I’ve been waiting for you to answer. Now would be a good time, since you’re clearly not doing anything productive. ”
I noted that was a not-too-devious false dichotomy. Done.
No, no false dichotomy involved. That was your insane projection. My question contains no such thing. In fact, it contains no dichotomy at all, false or otherwise. It’s pretty simple. Why did you want to abandon millions of Muslims to chaos, bloodshed and oppression? And why is it that you think people who didn’t want to do that hate Muslims?
OH! This is one of those “only neo-cons love Muslims because we freed Iraq” song and dances! Have fun with that one.
No, asshole. You made the racism claim and I want to know where the fuck you get off with that, given that you were so willing to write 25 million Muslims off. Answer the question, coward.
I’m not talking about all of anything. I’m asking about you.
I would like an explanation of the difference between a consensus and settled science. Seriously. I cannot see how they are not the same.
You know about you, don’t you assclown? C’mon, assclown! C’mon, boy!
assclown,
Sad news friend, you lose. Your worldview is pathetic and sullen; seemingly having grown strident by its own helplessness.
You can try, and please do, but you will not even begin to dent the courageous moral fiber that is our Darleen; none can good sir.
In our strength lies beauty; oh! sweet sweet truth, I do exult in thee.
Your worldview is pathetic and sullen
Says the guy who represents an ideology America just disposed of for good.
“the collapse of the Republicans”
Non Sequitur.
“#
Comment by parsnip on 1/2 @ 8:11 pm #
Your worldview is pathetic and sullen
Says the guy who represents an ideology America just disposed of for good.”
He’s insane, I tell ya, nutzoid.
“Hey, then. Tell me which theory of the earth’s age I should be poking fun of. The one based on geology or the one based on the bible?”
Get the purported age of the planet correct under the latter and I’ll be amazed.
Here, alfie, since I’m feeling sorry for you, something to help out:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
SSG – BTW, congrats on the promotion, if I have not said so before. Looks like you and I are coming up in the world, heh.
What I do not gget from our trolls is the pessimism, negativity and anger. What happened to “hope” and “change”? It is like we are reliving the rage of 2004 all over again. Boring as heck. I guess I’ll retire for the night then.
Someone e-mail me if the trolls come with anything new. Heck, e-mail if they come with anything even remotely on point.
Once again, it’s clear which side presents evidence, and which side resorts to shrieking like a German kid frustrated with his computer.
BTW, assclown, nipply: you’re not German, are you?
Given the utter disdain for both Christians and Muslims, it’s pretty clear who the bigot is as well.
Pablo, the contempt and oputright hostility to religion, in whatever form, I do not get. There’s some new craze that seems to bestow, at least in the minds of those that adhere to it, a sense of superiority over those who have “succumbed” to religion.
And, of course, it remains laughable. All humans, by their nature as humans, are religious. These guys have just traded traditional religion for something else.
In this case, the religion of “global warming” and socialism.
MAJ, I’m waiting for you to start posting as LTC and wonder if you’ll be changing all your handles around as a result.
I think the negativity is their default condition and the recent win has left them with a hangover effect.
Patience, John.
Hope and Change are just a few weeks away.
Peace, Pablo, O’Brain.
Major John, your answer is the same as the proper one to O’Brain’s objection in 294.
They’ve won two elections. TWO ELECTIONS!!!11!!11ELEVENTY!!!!11!! IN A ROW!!!!! IS IT NOT INCREDIBLE? DOES IT NOT MEAN DOMINANCE FOREVER????!!!!//????
After the first one they won, they all looked at one another and agreed on how and why they’d won it. Then they proceeded to put policies in place based on having won on those terms — and landed flat on their skinny, arugula-fed butts when the supporters they’d counted on (and whom they were absolutely certain had won on the terms they agreed on) backed out on them, under a barrage of cards&letters from their constituents. Think how disappointing it was. No impeachments. Not even any frogmarching. No American troops trudging back to Basra on foot, followed by jeering crowds.
Now they’ve won another election, and they’re ABSOLUTELY SURE this time why they did… but disappointment already looms, doesn’t it? Their Guy doesn’t agree that Hamas is entirely composed of saints, and the Jews need to have their throats slit and their bodies tossed into the Mediterranean. The one person in the world they have almost as much contempt for as they do ordinary Republicans is slated for a position of real power, and since they know in their hearts that Their Guy couldn’t manage a McDonalds at rush hour it’s clear she’s gonna have a grip on the reins, if not the whip. It’s shaping up like the Pelosi Congress all over again, all those fine aspirations based on their absolute certainty of the backing of the American Street® coming up against — dare we say it? — reality. It’s enough to drive a good Progg to (environmentally-sustainable, carbon-credit-paid, Union-produced) drink.
And now, that annoying rattling sound: can it be the lugbolts on the wheels of the Anthropogenic Global Warming Juggernaut? Say it ain’t so, Al! But yes. So they come here and get profanely and nonsensically challenging. assclown sneers at Watts and climateaudit.org, but provides nothing but the sneers as a basis; monkyboy wants to change the subject. It only wants Semanticleo to blame it all on the sinister influence of
SauronGeorge W. Bush to make it complete.Yeah, it’s frustrating to beat your wall against the stone heads, but we take no hurt and listening to the moans is entertaining.
Regards,
Ric
It only wants Semanticleo to blame it all on the sinister influence of Sauron George W. Bush to make it complete.
Also DataDave to blame it on Reagan and/or Nixon.
Dissent is Patriotic
ObamaHitler!!!!
“The one person in the world they have almost as much contempt for as they do ordinary Republicans is slated for a position of real power, and since they know in their hearts that Their Guy couldn’t manage a McDonalds at rush hour it’s clear she’s gonna have a grip on the reins, if not the whip.”
alfie just got a woody.
Reactionary LEFTARDS!!
Gay Marriage: Blago/Obama!!!
Aaah Ric,
Our house delusional.
What debate here would be complete without your laughable characterizations?
There’s no guarantee the Republicans will get back in power any time in the near future.
I don’t think the poor old Republicans even have a leader these days.
“I don’t think the poor old Republicans even have a leader these days.”
[G]overnment’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. (Hello GM + UAW)
http://www.presidentreagan.info/speeches/quotes.cfm
“No, asshole. You made the racism claim and I want to know where the fuck you get off with that, given that you were so willing to write 25 million Muslims off. Answer the question, coward.
I’m not talking about all of anything. I’m asking about you.”
Now that I think about it – false dichotomy.
Either
A. You agree attacking Iraq was a good idea or
B. You are “willing to write 25 million Muslims off.”
BZZZZT!
“ObamaHitler!!!!”
No, NegrObama!
Show those reactionary leftards you REFUSE to abide by their use of words!
Yes, but unlike you I’m enjoying my delusions, monky, so I don’t feel the need to shit all over others’ unless they insist upon it. Something not quite right, monky? Do you feel a disturbance in the Force, requiring the Jedi to mass, accusations of homosexuality at the ready, and infiltrate the camps of the defeated? Strange, that. It would be credible if you’d lost — believable that you’d feel the need to attack back. But you won, as you continually remind yourself by reminding us. Why isn’t it more satisfying?
Ha. Hehee. Hahahee. Hah. BUUUUUUUUWAHAHAHAHA!
Regards,
Ric
How can you have a consensus if the science isn’t settled, assclown?
How’s that Rick Warren thing working out?
Everything on schedule for the troops to leave Iraq before midnight on January 20?
Gay marriage?
Hope? Change? “Clean government”?
Oh, and where’s my free gas, by the way?
Obama played y’all for suckers. Big time.
Again, I thank SBP for “Trollhammer(tm) and have relegated thorazine, cleo, asshat, and alphie to the dustbin. If y’all would stop responding to them, the threads would stay on-topic and be a much faster read. I’ve no interest in their thread-jacking comments, nor their straw-men. They have nothing to offer, they can’t stay on-topic, and they only offer name-calling and distraction. Why then, respond?
So it goes…
ChrisP
Haha Ric,
Don’t embarrass yourself.
Not only is every Democrat looking forward to Barack Hussein Obama II taking control of America, but so are a majority of Republicans.
You sad little losers are a minority within a minority party.
I think it’s time you whiners started your third party.
Barack Hussein Obama II taking control of America
Do you get a tingle in your leg when you type that?
Heh.
Just so. You won. You bestride the world like Colossus, master of all you survey.
So why are you acting like rats in the grain-store, jumping and baring teeth at every noise as if it might be the Tom-cat come to investigate? ‘Sa puzzle, it is. Does Not Compute.
Regards,
Ric
So what is your prediction for Barracky’s First Troop Deployment, Ric, Bosnia or Pakistan?
Look, a pinata filled with chocolate flag pins!!!
You didn’t just lose a few elections, Ric, you ummmm, how to say this nicely, suffered a used tampon rub to the face, even the nuns at the convent took a wipe at ya. Bloodied were you redumbs at the end of this last one, really-really blood covered. It’s not official but it looks like a former comedian won a senate seat from ya, Ric. Unfunny jokes, yet more people still voted him versus your incumbent.
Ting’s not’s good, noper.
By the way, I’m a registered independent. How many code pinkers are there? How many voted for Obama? You’re good at math. And hyping failed, tired Lefy-sevanty (!!!11!!!) narratives, evidently. I’m pro-Israel, probably moreso than you, rowdy podnuh.
“Comment by Pablo
Refresh my memory, assclown. Which side was it that wanted to bail out on (Muslim) Iraq and the Iraqi people and leave them to al-Qaeda’s tender mercies? And which side was it that wanted to stay and see the (Muslim) Iraqi people through the tough times?”
The left wing rage choir will never be able to answer your question, Pablo. That’s because it brings back bad memories of what happened following our last ally they deserted, in the name of giving peace a chance.
That was a time when they stood by and whistled dixie as millions were slaughtered in southeast Asia following the Congress’ shameful surrender decree. But it was OK they said, because it was done in the name of, you know, the people’s revolution-man!
To this day many of that seditious generation will look quizzically askance and actually wonder aloud how abandoning our allies could be linked to the deaths of millions at the hands of their enlightened and egalitarian fellow travellers; Ted Turner did recently!
To admit this would mean that they value the lives of brown people less than Americans; something the multiculturalists could never do. And, would admit that they prefer humiliation of us all and the strengthening of our international enemies in order to advance their craven political agenda. And this level of candor would cause their heads to explode.
“And that’s the way it is.”
“How can you have a consensus if the science isn’t settled, assclown?”
Easy. You just do it. Seriously, you don’t need perfect knowledge to have a consensus.
“Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 9:17 pm #
‘ObamaHitler!!!!’”
Don’t associate me with that Schwarzen!
aqssenspielen
“The left wing rage choir will never be able to answer your question, Pablo. That’s because it brings back bad memories of what happened following our last ally they deserted, in the name of giving peace a chance.”
The left wing rage choir = the majority of Americans. I’d get out there and relay this message.
If it were me, I’d throw out something edgy, like, Chimperor ObaMussoliniSoros
I mean, it worked on Bush
I’m still in favor of BlagObamaRahma.
My allies in the Democratic party helped me greatly in cleaning out the unwanted elements of Cambodia. I couldn’t have done it if they hadn’t figured out a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory the way they did in ’72.
Why couldn’t they pull the same thing off in Iraq though?
Oh well, at least they did get Obama elected; that’ll help out a lot of aspiring America hating tin-pot despots everywhere-especially in the US major cities!
Vy aren’t Democrat politicians sticking to deal ve made?
I helped Al Sadr cause problems in Iraq and I get to use nuc-u-lar veapon on Israel?
Tell Obama to stick to bargain he made!
I got nothin’
“Surrender? The people’s revolution-man?” Oh yeah, you’re talking about the Republican ’72 platform that what’s-his-name ran on. Nixon, yeah, that was his name, Richard Milhous Nixon. Nixon promised to end the war when he ran in ’72, actually sort’a-almost remember that guy.
So a consensus is really nothing more than a majority opinion, then, it really hasn’t nothing to do with the validity of the facts.
-has nothing-
Time for a bathroom break. Anyone else gotta drain the vein?
I did promise to end the war, but didn’t intend to do it the way that congress finally did. But that whole Watergate thing undermined my authority and control of the terms.
Deals were forced to be made with the traitorous Democrats. Much like Bush has had to do over the last few years.
That’s the real reason he could never push for reforming Fannie and Freddie, or effectively cut domestic and entitlement spending.
Trust me when I say that those Faustian bargains will always come back to haunt you!
Get your hand out of my ass, Tricky Dick.
We were lucky that the Democrats were willing to help us oppose Nixon’s policies. I remember them citing an old Arab proverb, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend!”
The Vietnam War was won when the US troops left. The Viet Cong was destroyed, and the NVA nearly so.
It was lost when Congress failed to provide the ongoing support to the South Vietnamese government that had been promised.
Virtually all US troops were out by mid-1973. Saigon didn’t fall until 1975.
Um, er, uh, hey Straw man. Like, you know, I’ve, uhh, um, got that, you know, uhh, brain I promised, uh, you, um, er, for you know, like, helping deliver me the, er, uhh, um, election.
Or, er, you know, uhh, was that, uhh, like, you know, uhh, the scarecrow instead?
Uhh, like, you know, er, um, ignore that guy Soros behind, er, umm, you know, the curtain!
For a minute, Wiz, I thought you were doing Caroline Kennedy.
Can you imagine a teleprompter-free debate between the two of them? It’d be like the classic SNL bit with Tonto, Tarzan, and the Frankenstein Monster.
You know, Spies, Brigands, and, like, Pirates, that is pretty, you know, like witty! Like, you know, I’m young and, like, have, you know, watched, you know, SNL, like from time to, you know, time. Like, classic, you know?
The revisionist history is out in full force tonight. It just takes a little prodding. Tell us more about the true patriotism of Dick Nixon, Liddy, and Oliver North.
Oh yeah, it’s that consensus science except with history. Funny.
Q: One of the things you talked about last night was the flexibility the vice president has– PALIN: Yeah.
Q: –Uh. What did you mean by that?
PALIN: Uh. That thankfully our founders were wise enough to say we have this position and it’s constitutional — vice president will be able to be not only the position flexible, but it’s gonna be those other duties as assigned by the president. A simple thing.
No Lobster Thermidor for me, s’il vous plait.
I’ve got such a toothache.
Buh-bye, lofti.
Go get ’em assclown. Sing the praises of my patriotism son! Tell ’em all I did for this country; how I felt their
wives uppain!Comment by assclown on 1/2 @ 9:17 pm #
“ObamaHitler!!!!â€Â
Fuck Blacks in Spanish. Fuck yourselves in real time. Yo Hommies!!!!
OBAMA: ” uh OH ummm Oh”
MR. PRESIDENT ” I’m an ASSHOLE”?
Mama-Bama don’ play none o’ that mess!
Or it’s off to Martinique with you honey-pot.
A round of margaritas for the house!
Say, has anybody seen my icepick?
Yes, you are correct in that I am wrong. (It’s discussed quite well on that site.)
In terms of what happened in Viet Nam, it doesn’t take much investigation to see what happened. What you call “revisionist” is reality.
Unless you really think that North Vietnam had the industrial capacity to build the number of armored fighting vehicles that they used to invade the south in 1972 and 1975. Especially since most of the ones used in 1972 were used up, so to speak.
Wrong again, asshat. My question has nothing to do with whether you thought going into Iraq was a good idea. It has to do with wanting to run away from our legal and moral responsibilities to 25 million Muslims after we went in. Why don’t you stop reading thins into the question that aren’t there and answer it?
Why do you hate Muslims, asshat?
Obama played y’all for suckers. Big time.
Now I see via Instapundit that they’re getting ready to put “card check” down the memory hole.
Another Barky promise becomes inoperative.
Snicker.
You’ll know they’re serious when they put a windmill on the Capitol. Otherwise, it’s another facade for the foolish.
That decision to lock in home heating fuel at peak prices has got to sting, but I’m sure there were plenty of takers. This renewables scam is going to hurt more and longer, but you should have paid attention. Look for the bailout of the renewable energy industry to be featured in O’s campaign for a second term.
It’s like football. They will keep trying the same play until it stops working.
You’ll know they’re serious when they put a windmill on the Capitol.
Or on Cape Cod.
Science is never really “settled”. At one point it was thought that Newtonian physics was how the universe worked. Then along came Einstein who asked some very basic questions on the nature of the universe. Instead of newtons gravity, acccleration (things moving toward or away from each other)became the way to describe how bodies interact with each other.Science is always trying to refute what it thinks it already knows.
AGW isn’t science. If for the only reasons that the data isn’t verfiable and the experiments haven’t been successfully repeated by independant sources.In short. There is no objective scientific proof.
AGW is the same as UFO investigation.
No, the goals of AGW proponents are a combination of sumptuary laws and blue laws — they want to prevent the “wrong people” from enjoying the same things as the elite in order to enforce class distinctions, and they want to put an end to things their (green) faith finds immoral.
But, hell, it’s hard to point to a lefty position or rhetorical ploy that isn’t about cementing class roles.
“…want to prevent the “wrong people†from enjoying the same things as the elite in order to enforce class distinctions…”
They don’t seem to understand that some people are simply more equal than others!
Me? I never had problem with this idea.
Rob, you’re right, but my point was that it takes the same suspension of reason to believe in either.
The AGW folks steadfastly refuse to release their data so it can be independantly verified. That isn’t science.
Bah! Data is in the past, and that is easily adjusted to support the exigencies of the present!
A well known page from my playbook; and the AGW travellers execute it nicely!
They don’t have any data, that is the problem. 100 years of inconsistent records of a 500 million year old ecosystem, and with this you are going to predict the future? It is absurd.
Haha! Even the HuffnPuffPo is running OpEds about the wheels coming off the “global warming” scam.
(via the WattsUpWithThat blog, for which I thank N. O’Brain)
Data is in the past— eh, Joe, you’re so wrong!! I am still around.
alas, Dan, you never’ved felt a truly Vermont coldspell like the ol’ ones. At least over in Dartmouth you must have? enough proof of global warming? Perhaps not if you just ignore the obvious. 2 weeks of minus 20 around here every year was the usual. What happened to that? I’ll admit the argument’s overwhelming against you guys if we can also blame Ice ages on global warming…but then it’s a pretty consistent theory…like when those dinosaurs got nixed. The question is are WE the new dinosaurs? ‘course the planet might get a respite due to the economy…but that wont last.
redistribution? Al Gore’s got a huge big house according to Repugs…so can I move in his place next week? Again, a pretty bad argument since so many global warming acknowledgers are indeed wealthier than most…price a Prius lately?
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