Responding to a Newsweek piece that reveals that the man who leaked details of the Bush Administration’s NSA surveillance program is one Thomas Tamm, Patterico urges prosecution. Normally, I would agree. However, one shocking, sickening detail from the Newsweek piece makes me reluctant to urge prosecution: as a child, Thomas Tamm played under J. Edgar Hoover’s desk. *Shudder*
Hasn’t he suffered enough?
The “program” was tied to the faux torture…make this call asshole or we pull out your thumbnails like they do in your holy home land..
Happened int his country but no time for the kiss of the Gorelick court.
Roll that one around.
Oh and the waterboarding? Happened only to our people pretending to be bad guys too. That’s why no Dem had the stones for a “hearing”.
and that’s why the “tapes” disappeared. The tapes are of our guys, actors, pretenders. It’s just so astounding how stupid the leftards are and how treasonous the people they elect will go.
Might as well prosecute at this point.
I’m with lawyer guy Mikey. It’s high time Cheney, Addington, and Ashcroft, the architects of the illegal NSA program are prosecuted for crimes committed in their official capacities.
That’s nice, Chablis.
Since you’re here, perhaps you can explain to us why Obama lied to the press.
All of your fellow travelers seem to be voting present on that one. How about you?
Props to the zing.
Umm, Spies, quit trolling. This thread is about Patterico, criminals, and the NSA program.
I hate trolls.
Umm, Spies, quit trolling.
So you have no answer either.
That question isn’t going away, Chablis.
Sooooo…you want Pelosi and Reid prosecuted too, Ron?
Obama said at his press conference “we, I didn’t talk to the Governor about this.â€Â
No. He did not.
He said “I have had no contact with the Governor.”
Which was a lie.
Why?
Well, Pablo, I guess we should prosecute the entire Congress for aiding and abetting the war criminals in their pursuit of the illegal surveillance that wasn’t illegal … or at least as anybody has been able to prove over the last several years.
The fevered dreams of leftists never die … even when they’ve won everything their little power hungry hearts desired. Of course, the forming of the Obama admin. as a center leaning Clinton era clone has probably got them hallucinating in confusion.
Jesus, Bush and his gang lied to the press everyday and even called on fake journalists at daily press briefings.
Heh, it’s been a while since the GAY PORN COCK OF LIES made an appearance at PW. Bravo.
BUSH LIED!!! EVERYDAY!!! PEOPLE DIED!!! EVERY DAY!!!
Of course, Chablis is not a partisan hack or anything…
Nuance: The other white meat!
Chablis would like very much to put Obama’s first statement down the memory hole and pretend that the second one is the only one that counts.
Here you go, Chablis.
3:13 into the video.
And you know this how, Ron? BTW, you’re not answering the question which is: Why is Obama lying about his camp’s contact with Blago’s.
This would be the topic I would most like Mr. Goldstein’s take on when he gets back I think. If I had to pick.
Bush and his gang lied to the press everyday
Kewl, you can source that right? I mean with so many to pick from, how about one? I might be interesting to see what your definition of “lie” is and why Obama served one up to the press when he didn’t have to.
btw, you can also point to the court ruling that the NSA program this traitor leaked to the NYTimes was “illegal”.
The ever-evolving timeline thus far:
1) Axelrod: We’re talking to Blago about this.
2) Obama: I have had no contact with Blago about this.
3) Obama: I haven’t spoken to Blago about this.
4) Emanuel might have talked to Blago about this.
5) Emanuel delivered Obama’s list of candidates to Blago.
6) Emanuel had repeated discussions with Blago.
Oh, I forgot the one where Obama promised to “investigate” to see if anyone on his staff might have talked to Blago, all the while knowing perfectly well that Emanuel had been having discussions with Blago.
for Red Whine above…this is the Obama unscripted statement he made on the vid SBP linked
Which suddenly had Axelrod running around saying HIS statement a month earlier that Obama had discussed his choices with Blago was “misspoken”.
Obama did not have to lie about this — it would be unusual if he had NOT discussed his replacement with the governor or his office — but a lie was The Messiah’s first response. Why?
SBP you forgot to include where Axlerod calls himself a liar. That was a good one.
Thanks for the reminder about Axelrod calling himself a liar, Darleen and Mr. Pink. That was indeed a good one.
Red Whine: name one Bush lie. Date, words, proof.
Axlerod makes millions of dollars a year to carry around a freakin appointment book. It makes perfect sense he would “misspeak” about who O! had met and had conversations with. Perfect sense indeed.
Mr. Pink, that’s almost as plausible as Obama having had “no contact” with the governor from his own party who would be appointing his successor.
Bill and Hillary really need to hold a remedial lying class for Obama’s team, ’cause they’re just not very good at it.
Peanut Gigolo has that world class selective memory, which hardly ever includes anything bad about Democrats, except those who aided and abetted the Bushhitler regime in spying on innocent citizens, shredding the Constitution like a Peggiano Romano over very a nice Pesto, even though none of these civil rights raped citizens have ever come forward.
So, Peanut Gigolo, what wine goes best with fantasy shredded Constitution?
BTW: My opinion, no better than Peanut Gigolo’s assertions, is that Obama himself had no direct contacts with Blago and rather hamhandedly misspoke when he used the “we” declaration.
As to whether or not any of his people bargained with Blago? We’ll see.
“that’s almost as plausible as Obama having had “no contact†with the governor from his own party who would be appointing his successor.”
Well Rahm Emanuel just went out on his own and made up a list at random of Senate candidates that he “thought” O! approved of and discussed them with Blago. O! was completely out of the loop on that one. He had nothing to do with making that list so he technically wasn’t lying when he said he had no contact with Blago. Everyone hires Chiefs of Staff who just make sh!t up about what you want and have discussions with Governors about Senate appointments with out any input from you at all. I mean that is just the way Washington works.
Exactly, Mr. Pink. The whole purpose of having a staff is to keep the Big Guy from being distracted by minor details like copy machines, where to order pizza, Senate appointments…trivial bullshit like that.
Oh…here’s some fun … the Leftcultists at firedoglake are applauding the traitor Tamm by saying he had no choice because The Bushies did it first
Don’t Lichtblau and Risen face potential legal jeopardy should Tamm face prosecution? Does the Congress have the power to write a “journalists” shield law that can reach back in time to cover their prior acts (promising Tamm anonymity, for instance)? Might not such a special privilege be the camel’s nose to official credentialing for the industry?
I’ll say again here that there’s no evidence that a payoff was discussed. Rahm and O! might be perfectly clean on this.
But they’re sure not acting that way.
Yawn.
Darleen, see ACLU v NSA, overturned at appeal for lack of standing. The District Court judge allowed standing and ruled to program was illegal. Nice try, though.
Secondly, I will fire anyone involved with the leaking. There’s one. How many you want?
Seriously, Darleen, your blog is full of stories about how evil the press is, yet you care that someone allegedly lied to it?
Spies, can Obama be prosecuted for “lying” to the press? The weird point is, you’d expect the press would interested, yet memeorandum seems more filled with shoe stories and the economy than “we were had.” Maybe, you and the RNC are the only ones outraged?
Lastly, from Dick Morris
It’s impossible to answer a question with you people. You are so blinded by what you want to be true and surrounded in this echo chamber by your ilk, I can’t answer a question. Let’s state it again: A hack (darleen, spies, pablo, keith olberman, etc) sees their allies make mistakes and their enemies lie.
Before I answer anymore bullshit questions: what is your upside here? Do you think you can take Obama down? Emmanuel? Axelrod? Jarrett? Jesse Jackson, Jr? I just don’t see why you and puff for 400 comments over nothing.
The same group of people, headlined here by bjtxs, who sees no problem with water-boarding, no problem with Abu Garib, no problem with domestic spying, no problem with (and here i assume and I apologize if I’m incorrect, bjt) restraining hundreds of Afghan dirt farmers in Gitmo or locking up Jose Padilla without charges or counsel for three years, believe that if Obama “lied” to the press, then there’s something terribly wrong?
The same group of people who believed Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones and decided a President needed impeached over a blow job, believes that Obama will go away if he “lied” to the press? How quaint.
Spies, can Obama be prosecuted for “lying†to the press?
That’s not the question, Chablis.
Which, of course, you’re refusing to answer.
d decided a President needed impeached over a blow job
By the way, Chablis, Clinton WAS impeached. But not “over a blow job”. For lying.
“restraining hundreds of Afghan dirt farmers in Gitmo”
You are a complete and total lunatic.
Seems as though the same standard for Scooter’s prosecution applied to Clinton’s impeachment, P.G.
And hundreds of Afghan dirt farmers? Yup, that’s all that’s in Gitmo, unless you count all of the stateless combatants who violated the Geneva Convention and, by who’s terms, could be summarily executed as non-uniformed spies.
Nuance: It’s what’s for dinner!
Clinton WAS impeached. But not “over a blow jobâ€Â. For lying.
Also for obstruction of justice. Just to be complete.
He is so invested in his cartoonish characterization of how the world works that he lives in an alternative universe. In other words a lunatic.
Red Whine
Darleen, see ACLU v NSA, overturned at appeal for lack of standing. The District Court judge allowed standing and ruled to program was illegal.
The program is/was legal, or does “overturned at appeal” not count in Left reality?
My issue here is not with the press — the question on the table is why Obama lied to it. The One didn’t have to, but it was His response. Why?
Let’s state it again: A hack (darleen, spies, pablo, keith olberman, etc) sees their allies make mistakes and their enemies lie.
Red Whine does the Leftcult dance – make up shit about non-leftists and then argue with their own creation.
Put me in with the people who think that Obama is probably not in on the whole payoff thing.
However, why did he lie about talking to Blago? The very idea of him not having contact with the man in some manner is ridiculous, and anyone who thinks the contrary is probably delusional.
cranky-d
I don’t believe The One was in on any payoff either. Indeed, Blago’s rage on tape indicates that Camp O was resisting anything more than the usual kind of political gamesmanship (trade now for unspecified tangible appreciation later on). But why the immediate lie? Why is Obama’s first instinct to lie?
Barry Milhouse Obama, indeed.
Fixed that for you, Chablis. But you can try again. Why is Obama lying? And when do you suppose we’ll get that list of contacts that never happened?
I’d like to know why Obama lied when there doesn’t appear to have been any reason to do so.
Yeah, crazy people. Lots of them.
The same group of people, headlined here by bjtxs, who sees no problem with water-boarding, no problem with Abu Garib, no problem with domestic spying, no problem with (and here i assume and I apologize if I’m incorrect, bjt) restraining hundreds of Afghan dirt farmers in Gitmo or locking up Jose Padilla without charges or counsel for three years, believe that if Obama “lied†to the press, then there’s something terribly wrong?
Let me get this straight … so the folks who got so upset about all that are wholly uninterested in Obama’s lying about his administrations communications with Blog’s scandal; a scandal that is certainly bigger than Watergate. Howard’s “Nixon” flick is coming out, and he likened Bush to Nixon. Well, here we have a better comparison, is anyone going to make it?
The same group of people who believed Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones and decided a President needed impeached over a blow job, believes that Obama will go away if he “lied†to the press? How quaint.
Lying liar. Or you’re stupid. Only stupid people think that Clinton was impeached over a blow job.
I don’t think (or want) Obama will go away over Blago’s scandal. But, since the guy campaigned about being transparent and bringing a new day to Washington, you’d think his schtick wouldn’t be proven to be so much horse shit before he even took the oath.
Darleen, if you understood more about the law, you’d understand the suit was overturned not on the merits of whether the program was illegal, but rather because Federal law requires direct harm to the plaintiff. Since the program was secret and the government said they wouldn’t release any information, the plaintiffs couldn’t prove standing. On the merits of the case, however, the District Judge ruled in favor of the ACLU, stating the program was illegal. It’s a nice Catch 22 for the government.
Unfortunately, the telecoms couldn’t use it, so they needed Congressional immunity to avoid punishment for breaking the law.
I’d charge to the CLE fee for that Federal law primer, but, since you’re not smart enough to follow it, I’ll just direct you to James Comey and Jack Goldsmith, two Republican lawyers who also noted the program was illegal.
Hey, bjtxs everybody’s guilty! Except for here
and here
A tragedy: 500 “guilty” already released?
It’s your people’s ability to focus on the silly which explains why there are 12 of you and you are led by crackpots who “need to get to the bottom of Obama and the press,” but feel no need to get to the bottom of this
Damn Freedom of Information Act, always gets in the way of a petty scandal.
PS Dick Morris, that’s some upside! Perhaps, you can make the first “Obama Chronicles” video! “Mena, Arkansas is where Barrack Obama, famed cocaine dealer first met Bill Clinton, famed cocaine importer…..[ominous music plays]…together they have murdered 50 some people.”
Larry Nichols: “Clinton loved Obama, see, but you’ll find that in the papers. They traded wives during coke binges!”
[break]
I’m sure you’ll make a fortune, dick
Hurry, pablo morris, there’s still time to ink him before Focus on the Family snaps him up!
Can you answer the question, Zinfandel?
Shorter grape nuts: “YEEEEAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!”
It’s your people’s ability to focus on the silly which explains why there are 12 of you and you are led by crackpots who “need to get to the bottom of Obama and the press,†but feel no need to get to the bottom of this
The public trust is silly? After all, if Obama “lied” about something “silly” why should we trust him about … anything?
didn’t al and I argue at one point about to what extent Comey is a douche? maybe that was the Maviva one
Mena, Arkansas
Yadda-yadda-yadda.
Obama lied.
On tape.
I gave you the link, Chablis.
Why did he do it?
Leak a security program, tell where the security measures are at COB Adder – Tallil, point where a USMC sniper is hiding. What is the difference? Just the dividing line that mistily forms somewhere in a Leftist mind.
Uh…uh…RENDITION!!!! LOOK! OVER THERE!
Since he now ensconced in a position as the prime determiner of what is legal and what illegal, I wonder what Jack Goldsmith thinks of Thomas Tamm’s actions. Newsweek doesn’t seem to have asked Goldsmith for his opinion on that question.
Betraying national security secrets in wartime is controversial at best I think, but just unimaginably irresponsible were it not to be adjudicated. I need to know I live in a little country what takes national security matters with a certain amount of seriousness.
We’re about to find out the answer to that question hf. I fear the answer won’t be much to your (or my) liking.
Jeez. At some point I’m gonna have to pitch a fit and use my angry voice.
Nah you guys got it all wrong. Leaking national security secrets when Bush is president for partisan reasons is OK, leaking them while O! is president for partisan reasons will be the actions of a racist traitor.
Oh, look. It’s Pat Leahy:
No, Ron. You haven’t “got it” yet, which is surprising, you being all intelligent and nuanced and all.
Politicians lying? Ho hum. Corruption in Chicago? GLOWING BALL OF FIRE SEEN ON EASTERN HORIZON THIS MORNING! FILM AT 11! The only thing the least interesting about it is that the specific lie involved doesn’t seem to benefit the liar in any way, especially since there are alternate statements that would have passed almost without comment, whether they were true or false.
What is interesting is your and your allies’ reaction.
It’s a full-court press with all the usual suspects participating, including your good self. Up to this morning it was mainly deflection, i.e., TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE! ANYTHING ELSE! There has also been a fascinating stream of crocodile tears, more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger declarations that following the story up can only result in further losses by Our Side, so sad, and a minority subtext of “It can’t be important, Yahoo! isn’t featuring it on the news stream.”
This morning the emphasis has swung to tu quoque, which you do so well it almost becomes credible. That’s fine, except of course that the perceptible is symmetrical on that axis — if you’re indignant to the point of mania over Bush’s lies, why are you not the least concerned about your guy’s? It’s supposed to be change. (And hope, of course.) There’s supposed to be a contrast between the lyin’ liars of the Bush administration and the squeaky-clean, absolutely truthful incoming replacement.
You should be gratified. You have achieved every troll’s ambition: the discussion isn’t about the issue, it’s about you. Egoboo! But it’s still interesting that nobody from Your Side has made any effort to answer the question: Why did Obama lie to the Press? By now most of us have lost interest in the underlying question (not to say Fitzgerald and Co. have done the same, of course, and we’ll be following that). Our interest now is you. Why can’t, or won’t, you answer the question?
Why did Obama lie to the Press, Ron?
Regards,
Ric
Ric you have about as much chance of getting a straight answer as the Redskins do of making the playoffs this year.
I have an idea. Let’s all say Obama lied even if he didn’t. We’ll pretend like we believe he lied and hound people for a response as to why he lied.
Is that a pledge pin, Ric?
Didn’t you get shot by your own men in Vietnam?
I have an idea. Let’s all say Obama lied even if he didn’t. We’ll pretend like we believe he lied and hound people for a response as to why he lied.
So … he was … wrong? Mislead? Uninformed?
What was it?
I have an idea. Let’s all say Obama lied even if he didn’t.
I have an idea. Why don’t you explain this. 3:13.
Why did Obama lie to the Press, Ron?
I’m not sure that when Kim Jong Il tells the press that he’s had 18 holes-in-one in a round of golf, it’s considered a lie. Maybe there’s some of that working here.
He’s like the common notion of King Canute that way, alppuccino (the real King Canute was being sarcastic).
Nice try, Niedermeyer, but His Oneness has said the thing which isn’t. And teh Rahm has disappeared for a couple of days, and even Axelrod hasn’t emerged to explicate. They’re probably thinking, well, give it a couple days and see whether it goes away like everything else. Maybe they’ll be too busy clinging to their religion. Maybe someone inside the investigation will let us know how much they know about what, and then we can consider how to shield ourselves and whom to throw under the bus. Meanwhile, it’s lockdown, and what about the Climate Change?
“I have an idea. Let’s all say Obama lied even if he didn’t. We’ll pretend like we believe he lied and hound people for a response as to why he lied.”
Your idea is more like saying Obama told the truth even if he didn’t. You’ll pretend like you believe he told the truth and hound people who believe otherwise as “smearing” Obama.
I have an idea. Let’s all say Obama lied even if he didn’t.
It’s been done.
Come on, Red Whine, finding one judge via shopping can get you just about any decision you’d like. The Appeals Court reversal stands. The NSA program is legal. No matter how much you and other Leftcultists keep saying it is “illegal” makes it so. It just becomes another Left Trootherism.
Hey, hey, hey, something new!
The very first (on this blog; I haven’t had time to check elsewhere much) denial! Oblique, of course, so the statement is itself deniable (good strategy, Niedermeyer, especially since the lie is blatant and easily disproved), but I wasn’t sure we’d get a Category 5 (“He didn’t”) at all.
Of course it counts as a twofer, since it can also be taken as Category 3 (“Crocodile Tears”) variant C (why are you spending so much time on suicide, wingnuts?)
Why did Obama lie, Niedermeyer? Bearing in mind that your response is more interesting than the underlying issue…
Regards,
Ric
God, you’re almost as stupid as Pablo (spies has his own category). One judge and the entire senior management team of the DOJ, you two bit wankee. Ashcroft, Comey, Goldsmith… the lot of ’em were already to resign because the program was illegal and Jack Goldsmith, he of the “the president needs to power to lock up people without trial” ain’t exactly a troother.
Still, I admire the shortbus attempt to move the goalposts from “find someone who said it is illegal” to “you only found one judge.” Strangely, darleen, one judge finding one’s actions illegal is about the number of judges a criminal defendant gets in a bench trial.
But, no, I’ve found a whole bi-partisan group of lawyers, including the Congress, which amended the law twice (once to protect the administration; the second to protect the telecoms) and it still isn’t enough for Darleen “my faith in Bush is equal to my faith in Christ” Click
What you call “trootherism” is acknowledged as fact by most reasonable people, but you’re damn unlikely to meet any of them here (present company excepted).
We now return you to spies screaming, Tourette’s style, “Why did Obama lie?” at people who have either rejected his premise or answered his question.
Spies, after you type he did lie and then point us –breathlessly– to 3:13 of the press conference could you tell us why he lied? Last week it was how did Blago know (which can’t be answered yet) and now it’s another hannity. So, indeed, spies, why did he lie? Is it because he’s evil? or because he has something to hide (cue Pablo Morris’s Obama Chronicles video).
PS Oh, and the comedy of none of you checking out the link to the autopsies of the people who have died in US custody in Iraq and Afghanistan? For all you people worried about Obama, plenty of deaths are listed as homicides, yet the President has said: “We don’t torture” Apparently, killing someone is not torture.
I’m thinking that makes you head-in-the-sand cons equal to Captain Renault, but….
oh what’s the use, I’m sure DOD autopsies are a leftist conspiracy too.
*psst, Ric, he didn’t lie.
Spies, after you type he did lie and then point us –breathlessly– to 3:13 of the press conference could you tell us why he lied?
No, that’s why I was asking you.
Bye, Chablis. Experiment’s over for now.
Hint: this = you.
sooooo, “incurious” or stupid it is then.
it’s just like with the black helicopters. DON’T THINK I DON’T SEE THEM OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE!!!
Guys like Tamm, Daniel Ellsberg, Joe and Val Wilson ought to be tried for espionage and treason and then hung.
They’re all traitors…treat them as traitors ought to be treated.
Hon, it’s you Oklahoma/Texas types out in the hustings, collecting guns against the coming of the Socialists who see the helicopters. All I did was explain how the case worked. Consult a lawyer if you can’t figure it out.
Dave, you are refreshingly kooky. It is truly a terrible thing when someone tells his/her fellow citizens what their government is doing.
I see with the Daves of the world, it’s always 1968! Dave, you have found a home here, where the white anger over the 60’s never diminishes!
PS Davey, while you’re incoherently raging, could you explain what Valerie did to deserve your hanging? Was it the fact she existed? That she wrote a book (edited by the CIA)? Being married to a man who didn’t agree with Bush the Younger, while being praised by Bush the Elder? Please, enlighten us, dude in an Idaho shack.
or not. darned lack of evidence!
I’ll type slowly, since you don’t read good: the only Federal judge to hear the case rebuked the government and enjoined them from further actions.
Standing is not related to evidence; it’s related to jurisdiction. Look up Civil Procedure and enjoy.
so there’s an illegal program that they can’t find anyone that something illegal was done to. um, okay.
and I’ll just take this opportunity to say I find it touching that you continue to catalog everyone’s activities, timmy.
well, it’s sort of hard to know one’s been wire-tapped if the government says that discovery means the terrorists win.
I get called all kinds of things here: thor, Brick Tamarind, various profanities, but so far there haven’t been any South Park references. I guess that’s what you’re doing, maggie katzen, rather than following links to the Afghans and Iraqis who have been murdered in US custody?
I understand, staying informed is hard to do. You should back to Comedy Central now, so you can misunderstand more Daily Show bits
what have they got to do with anything? I noticed it didn’t list whether or not anyone was prosecuted in those cases. such as the whole Abu Graib thing. I didn’t think it was okay, and neither did the government which is why people were demoted and or sent to jail.
You sir, have shown yourself to be one Mr. Timothy Burns. what with the whole Pablo/BJTexs obsession. but keep denying it, just know, you can’t hide that kind of stupid and obsessing.
Oh, the classless little turdlett? Still lubing the Professor Twatwffle’s knob?
And then got overturned. His verdict erased, you might say.
No, it isn’t. It’s related to bringing a proper cause of action and/or request for relief. And when you don’t do that, there should be no trial held nor verdict issued.
And here’s another news flash for you: Homicide is not murder. There are some cases of murder in that list and prosecutions to go along with them. But any death by the hand of another is homicide. Instead of worrying about South park, you should curl up with a nice copy of Black’s.
Actually, any old dictionary will do.
People went to jail? Wow, those must be super secret trials and all! Nonetheless, when it happened in a Gulag, it was an evil system with culpability all the way to the top. When it happened to John McCain, it proved all North Vietnamese were evil. When we do it? just a few bad apples, spread from Central Iraq all the way to Bagram. Oooh, that Lyndie England, she sure could fly!
As for the rest I’m not sure what you don’t like about the Louisiana State legislator (or, is that the Oakland County Commissioner). Whatever beliefs you have, maggie katzen (is that your real name?), I hope you get some help for them.
As for pablo and bjtxs, pablo’s a complete ass and I’m not sure, prior to today, if I’ve ever responded to him. Actually, next to spies and pablo, I think I see a dark horse kook moving up on the outside (hint: that would be you).
I sense once allegations about identities on the internet fly, then the conversations is done? After all, I am unlikely to convince of you of the truth and you are going to keep calling me names.
This is a strange website.
Coming from you, I’ll take that as a compliment, Grape Nuts. When one is so profoundly and consistently wrong as you are, it’s the least I can do.
not so much.
such as the whole Abu Graib thing. I didn’t think it was okay, and neither did the government which is why people were demoted and or sent to jail.
I didn’t mind the mild hazing that was Abu Graib. But the way Barry and Rahm kept Blago twisting in the wind about the pay to play and then snitched on him – TORTUROUS!
Actually I seem to remember that Penis Gigolo has an ISP from Texas whereas our late, unlamented Timmah hailed from Indianapolis. So I withdraw the “Classless little turdlett” and other Timmah related snarks and will stick with your new name.
eh, he’s been using a proxy server. his ip’s been different whenever he’s commented at RTO’s.
anyhoo, more secret trials!
OMG, maggie! They sure are doing a crappy job of keeping those secret trials “secret,” lulz!
Penis Gigolo refuses to see the nuances in the differences between long term institutional prisoner abuse and torture (see:Gulags, Average Arab Country) and the occasional if unacceptable abuses of our military personnel.
It’s not that America needs to be held to a higher standard: We’d better damn well be perfect, cudlips!
“PS Davey, while you’re incoherently raging, could you explain what Valerie did to deserve your hanging?”
Who’s raging?
Traitors ought to be hung, not raged at.
Val Wilson conspired with her rat bastard husband to engage in espionage and to use U.S. intelligence agencies to subvert the war effort against Iraq, thereby providing aid and comfort to our enemies. She ought to be given a ten minute trial, and then she ought to be hung by the neck ’til she’s dead, dead, dead.
Just like you would do to any scumbag who arranged to provide intelligence to an enemy in time of war.
There’s no point in being enraged, any more than there would be a point to getting enraged at a rabid dog you have to shoot. You just get rid of the problem.
Coherent enough for you?
I think that’s fair.
I’m still tying to figure out how you get to tell about your super sekret CIA spy mission in an NYT OpEd without getting charged.
Given a choice (and my druthers) between Tamm and the Wilson/Plame dolts, I’d prefer to see this Tamm fellow tried, convicted under proof, and executed, method makes no nevermind to me. Dead would be sufficient.
“method makes no nevermind to me.”
You could shoot traitors, but I like ropes, because you don’t have to reload.