December 3, 2008

Follow-Up to “How Obama Got Elected”

Stolen from Curmudgeon at Power Line Blog Forum:

Wilson Research Poll

The 12 “Zogby” questions were duplicated, one on the Keating scandal was added for extra balance. The results from Obama voters were virtually IDENTICAL in both polls.

Here are the highlights:

35 % of McCain voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct.

18% of Obama voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct.

McCain voters knew which party controls congress by a 63-27 margin.

Obama voters got the “congressional control” question wrong by 43-41.

Those that got “congressional control” correct voted 56-43 for McCain.

Those that got “congressional control” wrong voted 65-35 for Obama.

The poll also asked voters to name all the media sources from which they got information.

Those “exposed” to Fox News got “congressional control” correct 64-25 (+39)

Those “exposed” to CNN got “congressional control” correct 48-38 (+10)

Those “exposed” to Network news got “congressional control” correct 48-39 (+9)

Those “exposed” to print media got “congressional control” correct 52-37 (+15)

Those “exposed” to MSNBC got “congressional control” correct 55-35 (+20)

Those “exposed” to talk radio got “congressional control” correct 61-29 (+32)

Voters in the “South” had the best response rate on “congressional control” (+22)

Voters in the “Northeast” had the worst response rate on “congressional control” (+9)

Those “exposed” to Fox News voted 70-29 for McCain.

Those “exposed” to CNN voted 63-37 for Obama.

Those “exposed” to MSNBC voted 73-26 for Obama.

Those “exposed” to network newscasts voted 62-37 for Obama.

Those “exposed” to national newspapers voted 64-36 for Obama.

Those “exposed” to talk radio voted 61-38 for McCain.

Those that could associate Bill Ayers’ name/story with Obama voted 52-48 for McCain (We added Ayers name to the “Zogby” question and it significantly increased the rate of correct response, indicating a very superficial grasp of the overall story).

Those that knew Obama had made negative comments about “coal power plants” voted 76-24 for McCain.

Those that knew Obama had his opponents knocked off the ballot in his first campaign voted 66-34 for McCain.
McCain voters did poorly (only 42% correct) on the Keating question and,in general, the voters did universally worse on questions where the negative information was about their candidate

Women under 55 did worse than they might have by guessing on four of the thirteen questions, and yet 95% of them knew that Palin was the candidate with a pregnant teenage daughter. Even 95% of those in this demographic group who didn’t know “congressional control” got this question correct.

Those “exposed” to MSNBC “scored” 90% correct on the three Palin questions (including an incredible 98% on the “pregnant teenage daughter” question), while those not “exposed” to MSNBC averaged 84% correct on those three questions.

http://howobamagotelected.com/#wilson

Posted by Dan Collins @ 9:57am
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Comments (155)

  1. Predictible response from the left:

    Obama won, get over it.

    Obama voter’s knew this stuff (Ayers/coal statements, etc) and didn’t care! McCain was another/older Bush!

  2. Well 1 billion dollars of campaign coupled with massive amounts of free air time via MTV, BET, CNN, MSNBC, along with every major newspaper and journalist servicing your member with a zeal that would make Monica look like a nun buys alot of influence. Add that in with the frenzy of Palin rumors, which started in the left wing blogosphere, which were readily lapped up by MSM reporters and spit out in print and on TV and you got the perfect storm of idiocy coupled with advocacy in the average citizen’s information sources.

  3. Not not know Him is to love Him.

  4. 5. Before this past election, which poltical party controlled both houses of Congress?

    There is no single correct answer to that question.

  5. So may journalists and only one cock. What’s a messiah to do?

  6. “How Obama got elected”

    It’s a “whodunit” like “Clue™”.

    Forrest Gump, in “The Situation Room”, with the non-validated Visa™.

  7. Can anyone link me or cite me any time at all O! was asked which of those Youtube sermons he attended or what he heard there that he would consider controversial?

  8. I see parsnip is playing stupid. Sort of like Fred Thompson’s role in Marie.

  9. 5. Before this past election, which poltical party controlled both houses of Congress?

    “There is no single correct answer to that question.”

    The questions were asked on 11-13-08 to 11-15-08. The “past election” was the 2008 election which had just taken place. Only the very stupid would think it was asking about prior to 2006. So yes, it was unfair to the “low information” voters.

  10. If these guys were really interested in accuracy, why didn’t they just ask which political party currently controls both houses of Congress?

    Because that question wouldn’t produce the result they were paid to find?

  11. “Because that question wouldn’t produce the result they were paid to find?”

    So instead of looking at this objectively you immediately dismiss the entire study. Color me surprised.

  12. Alex Trebek would have accepted either Republican or Democratic as an answer for question number 5., Mr. Pink.

    Because both of them have controlled both houses of Congress before this past election.

    I’m not dismissing the entire study, just the misleading question.

  13. Guys: parsnip – alphie – snuffles – monkeyboy – neville chamberlain is capable of going round and round, becoming more and more obtuse for days.

    He’s been banned several times because all he does is poke at the commentators so just let him be. We all know he he thought the VA. Tech massacre was no big deal because it wasn’t even close to daily civilian casualties in Iraq and he basically wished Major John ill in the Major’s service in Afghanistan. He is a classless little poseur piece of iguana crap who needs to go away.

    Yes parsnip, I have the links. Bite me.

  14. Parsnip/alphie has also managed to be banned from Patterico. Because he’s so obviously alphie, who had been banned long ago.

  15. I’m pretty sure that the parsnip label replaces “snuffles” because Jeff banned him again. Maybe the little bastard ought to take a hint.

  16. Monkey boy? alphie? snuffles?

    Makes one pine for the golden days of PIATOR.

  17. Patterico banned me because I pointed out he was a hypocrite, Rob.

    The cocoon must be maintained at all costs!

  18. Hey snippy you little douche, I see people think highly of you here as well.

  19. No he banned you because you’re a sniveling little turd.

  20. YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TROOOOTH!

    High comedy, that.

  21. Patterico has a rather delicate ego, Jack.

    It goes with his profession.

  22. Round and round and round. Why do you stay where you are, clearly, not wanted?

  23. Scott Adams’ Dilbert strip has a character called “Hammerhead Bob” who constantly butts in to everyone else’s conversations offering unwanted “helpful advice”. Alphie/snuffles/parsnip is what happens to a “Hammerhead Bob” who’s been told to fuck off too many times.

  24. Round and round and round. Why do you stay where you are, clearly, not wanted?

    Because is goal is to derail conversation.

  25. Firing infantile shots at me is somehow staying on topic, Rob?

    Who is derailing the conversation here?

  26. I bet more people know Palin’s teenage daughter was pregnant than know about
    Rev. Wright’s anti-whitey tirades at the church O! attended for 20 years.

  27. Who is unable to take to heart the simple hint that your presence in a conversation is not desired and will only garner well deserved personal attacks, snippy, you sniveling little wad?

  28. Because both of them have controlled both houses of Congress before this past election.

    This may take the dumbest comment of the month, but the month is still young, and parsnip is still commenting. Type, monkeys!


  29. Comment by Jack Klompus on 12/3 @ 12:15 pm #

    Who is unable to take to heart the simple hint that your presence in a conversation is not desired and will only garner well deserved personal attacks, snippy, you sniveling little wad?

    Seeing as I’ve requested that you go fuck the mule you fell off of so many, many times, I suppose that who is you, hick wad.

  30. I don’t think Patterico has a particularly delicate ego. Who has a delicate ego I think is Sharon Stone. She’s a terrible person really, but I think she might have a chemical imbalance, so one must be kind I guess.

  31. iring infantile shots at me is somehow staying on topic, Rob?

    Who is derailing the conversation here?

    And your comment regarding how tricksey the question regarding congressional control was salient? I mean, honestly, it’s like you were asking for someone to call you a jackass.

  32. It’s a trick question. No one controls congress. It’s out of control.

    hee hee, ooh my sides!

  33. Maybe so happy,

    But I think history will look back fondly on Miss Stone as someone who liberated countless snatches from the Great Oppressor Undies.

  34. That was many many moons ago.

  35. So, will we ever have a magazine headline that read: “How can 52% of American Voters Be So Misinformed?”

  36. These things take time

  37. I thought she was quite hot in Total Recall. Kind of like Virginia Madsen, only without the ginormous breasteses.

  38. thor the pretentious dilettante dickwad chimes in. how about an oh so clever haiku about Palin and the joys of porking a Russian blow up doll, cock-knocker?

  39. It would appear that we simply can’t stay on topic today.

    Mamma always told me there’d be days like these.

  40. “Because both of them have controlled both houses of Congress before this past election.”

    Seriously, the meaning of the question was pretty obvious, but if you’re suggesting that the mind of the average Obama supporter wasn’t nimble enough to comprehend it then I guess we can go with that.

  41. #

    Comment by Jack Klompus on 12/3 @ 12:43 pm #

    thor the pretentious dilettante dickwad chimes in. how about an oh so clever haiku about Palin and the joys of porking a Russian blow up doll, cock-knocker?

    How about you share one of your text messages to a barely legal boy, you pennyloafer-wearing Mark Foley redumblican.

  42. We could just go to another level of sneakiness entirely, and say that the correct answer is neither. After all, the universe is over ten billion years old, and Congress has existed for such a negligible fraction of that time that it doesn’t actually make any kind of real difference who was in power in Congress for that couple of a millionths of a percent of all time, that Congress even existed.

    What a confusing question! What a headscratcher!

  43. Presidential election exit polling indicate the redumblicans got wailed on by college educated voters. I can see that trend continuing.

  44. redumblicans got wailed on by college educated voters. I can see that trend continuing.

    Who cares. I’d be more interested in seeing a breakdown as to producers vs non-producers in our country. How they voted.

  45. The fact is, people like alphie and thor are at their heart thugs. They want to shut down any discussion that doesn’t conform to their beliefs, and they do it by derailing the conversation with sophistry, by making the forum an unpleasant place through abuse, and generally ensuring there’s less light than heat.

    Pointing out that they’re not welcome will never persuade them to leave. Ignoring them — completely and totally — may work, but is impossible for everyone to do. Deleting their crap can never happen quickly enough.

    From what I can see, the thugs will always win in an open forum. Even closed forums are subject to their disruption.

  46. Presidential election exit polling indicate the redumblicans got wailed on by college educated voters.

    Eh, depends. The college-educated teachers & professors tend to vote for the statist candidate (free lunch & all that) while the college-educated producers tend to vote for liberty. Your best bet is for your kids in the blue counties to continue to f-up the test score averages & go back to the “we need to hire more teachers” canard.

    Liberal arts folks are Dems.
    Bachelors of Science are GOPers.

    Or, in short: girls are Dems, men are GOPers. And by girls I mean pu$$ies.

  47. Or, in short: girls are Dems, men are GOPers. And by girls I mean pu$$ies.

    Nah. Lefties are children — witness their never-ending quest to absolve people of responsibility for their own actions. Conservatives are adults.

  48. To the extent which this polling data is useful and accurate, it shows how much power the failing legacy media still has to control the message and how much people rely on it for their information, still.

  49. RW has the right idea.

    The Obama vote is inversely proportional to the amount of value added the graduate produces. PhDs in Black History and Gender Studies, 100% Obama. Engineers considerably less.

    Regards,
    Ric

  50. Doctors, lawyers, people making 100 grand = Obama
    Engineers = considerably less

    Regards,
    the truth

  51. Who wants to explain to Burr – GUND – dee the difference between affluence and education?

    ric?

  52. Presidential election exit polling indicate the redumblicans got wailed on by college educated voters. I can see that trend continuing.

    If a college education buys you the kind of ignorance embraced by the folks that took this survey, I’m not sure I got much value for my own education dollars. But what do I know? I’m a product of the higher education system that let people be so willfully ignorant that they were willing to ignore all of the negative news about Obama and focus on the “Palin” quote about seeing Russia from her back yard. And all that ignorance in the name of extra change and hopiness.

    Woo. Go team.

    It’s nice to see that they got a spokesman who could put “Republican” and “Dumb” together to come up with such a snappy nickname. Check out the big brain (and impressive persuasive skills) on Thor.

  53. Oh boy, Lawyers voted for a democrat? You don’t fucking say. And most doctors I know are very anti-war, so that doesn’t surprise me either. But, again, to a dem it’s all about the money. Because we all know that professional athletes are the smartest mofos on the planet.

  54. Value-added how, Ric?

    My corporation pays science and engineering doctorates about $15,000 a year.

    Of course, we only hire PhDs from China and India.

    Our locally hired janitors make about $35,000 a year, btw.

  55. My corporation pays science and engineering doctorates about $15,000 a year.

    Oh, sweet. I make, what, eight times that, and me with only a BSEE. You guys are either doing something very right, or something very wrong.

  56. “My corporation pays science and engineering doctorates about $15,000 a year.

    Of course, we only hire PhDs from China and India.

    Our locally hired janitors make about $35,000 a year, btw.”

    As I’ve always known, PhDs are too dumb to know how to clean up after themselves. Explains the Obama vote pattern. “Stupid is as stupid does”. Paper training not paper trailing is what they need.

  57. Comment by Ron Burgundy on 12/3 @ 2:02 pm #

    Doctors, lawyers, people making 100 grand = Obama
    Engineers = considerably less

    Regards,
    the truth

    That you think this is an endorsement of your candidate amuses me.

    PS. 100k or more for lawyers? Dream on clown. Maybe after 20 years, assuming they haven’t burned out or gone into politics. Of course, given the proclivities of your buddies in the senate, I suppose that makes the sky the limit!

  58. “Patterico banned me because I pointed out he was a hypocrite, Rob.”

    Complete Bullshit.

    Your public masturbation on his blog after previously having been banned twice was an embarrassment.

  59. So now the Democrats are admitting they’re the party of the wealthy? Of those with government-mandated monopolies?

    About damned time.

  60. Patterico called Andrew Sullivan lazy for judging a story based on its title.

    When I pointed out to Patterico he’d done the exact same thing in a post earlier that day, he banned me, daley.

    Make of it what you will.

  61. “Make of it what you will.”

    I just did.

  62. …redumblicans got wailed on by college educated voters. I can see that trend continuing.

    No doubt, it’s going to be fascinating to watch. Trillion dollar deficits, Iran with the bomb, Russia and Venezuela wargaming off our coast, etc.

    Can Obbie Wan placate the yuppies (“These are not the changes you were looking for. You wanted these“) while holding back the dark side with the soft, hard power of his face?

    Stay tuned.

  63. I have to wonder if alphie understands that his tactics are useful if you wish to make the world a worse place. He seems smart enough, so there must be a part of him that suspects as much. Just look at his tactics, they always involve some sort of lie.

    1) Focus on some part of an overall thesis, misrepresent or in general overthink it, and from that draw a conclusion that is in line with what he wants to be so, or to portray as so.
    – His first comments in this thread follow this pattern, because even if the question could have been worded better, it doesn’t necessarily follow that those asking the question were seeking a predetermined outcome.

    2) Show only part of an issue, favorable to what you are trying to say and out of context of the larger picture.
    – As he is doing with this claim of why he was banned from patterico. As if he left one comment ever, and as a result he was banned.

    For my part, I don’t think Obama voters stupidity is the answer of why they voted for the man. I think by and large those that voted for Obama did so either as an attempt repudiate/cast off the last 8 years or to be a part of history.

  64. i voted against O! to be part of history

  65. I have to wonder if alphie understands that his tactics are useful if you wish to make the world a worse place.

    That’s what he wants — so long as the worse falls on those he has cast as his political enemies.

  66. I voted against O! because the 52% of me that was inclined to vote against him won out over the 48% of me that was inclined to vote against McCain. Think of it as democracy in action.

  67. I voted against Obama because I think that higher taxes and socialized medicine are not the right answers. I’m also not a fan of those he has chosen to associate with, like Ayers and his racist preacher.

    That said, I will be praying for the man in hopes that he ends up being good for the country.

  68. I would voted for the Hindu Zionists to be part of history. But they had no candidate and writing in Yitzak Vindaloo seemed a bit too much.

  69. My corporation pays science and engineering doctorates about $15,000 a year.

    My, my. Oh, I don’t doubt it a bit. Nor do I doubt that they all, every one, voted for Obama (a couple of times, whether eligible or not) because them Republicans hates them some immigrants, right?

    Which illustrates an eternal verity: real Capitalist Exploiters of the Working Man always vote for and support Socialists, because if the Government pays the workers they (the CEWM) don’t have to. That makes the bottom line nice and fat, and of course they’re already rich, with a Congressman on the payroll and time-share on a Senator, so they’re confident they can deflect any <ahem> misguided taxation…

    And of course we need some comprehensive immigration reform, right? Oh, and unionize Wal*Mart, the cheap bastards…

    Yup. That’s our alphie.

    Regards,
    Ric

  70. Which illustrates an eternal verity: real Capitalist Exploiters of the Working Man always vote for and support Socialists, because if the Government pays the workers they (the CEWM) don’t have to.

    Don’t forget that the Socialists are also a lot more likely to protect regulate the Capitalist Exploiters of the Working Man. Mainly by coming up with all sorts of insane paperwork that the big guys can absorb with little hassle, but which cripples the little guy.

    Like, say, laws regulating how you can run special discount events in the retail industry…

  71. Yeah. Some “Death of Free Speech” loon registers a site via GoDaddy and suddenly he’s smarter than every professional poll organization that ever existed.

    Any serious analysis of why McCain lost should begin with the 2006 midterms. I’m pretty sure Republican losses then had nothing to do with timely Dem sabotage of the economy or an MSM-Obama Socialist cabal.

  72. How about this question: Which voters have a serious case of sour grapes?

    Or this one: Which SF politician has at last got her hands on a Ring of Power?

  73. I can say that I’m not sour. Or, possibly more exactly, I’m not sour on any scale that contains the combined sourgrapesitude of the combined left blogosphere, circa January 2001.

  74. Of course, Bush has yet to give up power. That was one of the prognostications, that Bush would just find some pretext not to hand over the office, and make himself president for life. IT COULD STILL HAPPEN!!!!!!!1111111eleven

  75. thor’s names are coming to be quite self-descriptive. Spoor indeed.

  76. thor’s names are coming to be quite self-descriptive.

    Cellmate salad tosser would be the best moniker for thor!

  77. I got called as part of this poll. When they asked me the question about control of Congress, I answered, “Whigs.” I see now that I was right. Thanks, al-phee!

  78. I seriously think that the majority of modern day republicans are the dumbest people on Earth

  79. geoffb: Sorry movementarian butt-boy, I’m not thor.

    But I do think you’re an idiot.

  80. #38 Jack:

    The proper phrase is not ‘cock knocker'; it is ‘cock holster’. As in “I can’t believe you eat with that cock holster, mayfly.”

  81. geoffb: Sorry movementarian butt-boy, I’m not thor.

    A distinction without a difference, even if true. Hint: the party of the sitting President almost always loses a significant number of seats in a midterm election.

    Trollhammered.

  82. No one should be sorry that they are not mayfly. Grateful would be better.

  83. I see I should be nicer to Patterico seeing as he didn’t even make the ABA’s list of the top 100 law blogs.

    I think the ABA has made my point better than I ever could.

  84. #

    Comment by sashal on 12/3 @ 5:15 pm #

    I seriously think that the majority of modern day republicans are the dumbest people on Earth

    Yeah. That’s some real serious thinking there sasha. Musta hurt.

  85. BTW, turdboi:

    JFK lost 46 House seats in the 1962 midterm, Johnson lost 47 in 1966, Nixon lost 49 in 1974, Clinton lost 54 in 1994.

    Bush gained lost 30 in 2006.

    Sorry if that interferes with Teh Narrative that BOOOSH is TEH MOST EVILEST AND UNPOPILAR PRIZIDENT EVAR.

  86. Bush gained lost 30 in 2006.

    Should say “Bush gained 6 in 2002 and lost 30 in 2006″.

    At any rate, Bush lost fewer house seats than JFK, Johnson, Nixon, and Clinton.

    Even the highly popular Reagan lost 27 seats in the 1982 midterm.

  87. I see parsnip is playing stupid.

    That’s not playing. Parsnip is a pro, my friend.

  88. And Fred! played himself in Marie. Get it?

    I slay me.

  89. . I guess we’ll see how that whole communal reinforcement of delusions thing is working out for ya.

    It’s a “delusion” that Clinton lost 54 seats in the midterm election while Bush only lost 30?

    Whatever you say, Whore the Impotent.

    Buh-bye.

  90. Comment by sashal on 12/3 @ 5:15 pm #

    I seriously think that the majority of modern day republicans are the dumbest people on Earth

    Good. Because underestimating one’s opponents has worked out so well in the past.

  91. Midterm nets for recent two-term Presidents:

    Bush: -24 House, -4 Senate
    Clinton: -49 House, -8 Senate
    Reagan: -35 House, -5 Senate
    Nixon: -61 House, -6 Senate
    Eisenhower: -68 House, -17 Senate

  92. Bush is on track to leave office with an approval rating in the Nixon/Carter range, SPD:

    http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

    That covers the unpopular, we’ll find out how evil he was once Obama’s truth and reconciliation panel gets going.

  93. Wow. Seems to be a fresh, steaming load of leftard nancy-boys here today. Did anyone see a short, yellow bus parked outside?

  94. Our locally hired janitors make about $35,000 a year, btw.

    Bilge water.

  95. Spork, spewing the bilge water!

  96. Our locally hired janitors make about $35,000 a year, btw.

    Bilge water.

    Including benefits, close enough.

    I apologise, ‘nip.

  97. Wait, what year is this?

  98. Once the right figures out how Obama got elected, they can move on to trying to win again. After all,America Must Know!

  99. Hmmmm….. – Only 16 percent think the country is headed in the right direction
    – Three-quarters believe President-elect Obama will be a good president.

    Aren’t these statements very, very contradictory? ‘Cuz if Obama’s going to be a great president, then isn’t the country heading in the right…. ahhhh, screw it — you just can’t argue with these people. Plus, I’m a Redumblican, so my math skills probably couldn’t even get me a job as a community organizer.

  100. I’d also like to point out that Republicans tried to impeach a two-term, popular Democratic president who, in the end, proved to be more fiscally responsible than Bush.

    So what if he was a serial sex offender and liar? HE WAS POPULAR, DAMMIT!!!

  101. Once the right figures out how Obama got elected…

    Obama got elected the same way Bush did both times, the other side ran incredibly bad candidates.

  102. “#

    Comment by sashal on 12/3 @ 5:15 pm #

    I seriously think that the majority of modern day republicans are the dumbest people on Earth”

    Well, as long as you keep posting, sashweight, your thesis is proved wrong.

  103. I seriously think that the majority of modern day republicans are the dumbest people on Eart

    You know … what a coincidence!

  104. Hypothetical question :if , like in the ancient Sparta
    we destroyed retarded, weak and mentally underdeveloped kids, would
    the GOP have lost the majority of it’s electorate?

  105. No, Illinois would be depopulated.

  106. 108, if that is answer to me, how would you explain the majority of vote for the liberal-human-smart-normal-everyday-understandable-causes?

  107. Actually being called dumb by sashal is something of a compliment, considering the heft of his comments are teh tectonic stupid coupled with the implicit egotism of teh ‘rightness’ of leftism, so yea, being called dumb by the dumb is sort of like multiplying negative numbers.

  108. how would you explain the majority of vote for the liberal-human-smart-normal-everyday-understandable-causes?

    Yeah, how would you explain that, by God?

  109. enjoy, dash,
    your primitive happiness must be of envy to others from the bankrupt party

  110. Seriously, Obama got elected because of his organization, particular the farm system.
    http://tinyurl.com/6m2yfp

  111. liberal-human-smart-normal-everyday-understandable-causes

    Rod Blagojevich? Dick Durbin? Richie Daley?

    Hat Trick !

  112. The Bush years have really changed my opinion of the Clinton years. Man I used to complain so much. Spoiled, we were.

    I do think the country probably works best when the party holding the White House is different from the party controlling Congress. Clinton had a Gingrich Congress, and was politician enough to make the best of the situation.

    Bush had an all round majority, but had to deal with a viciously hostile Democrat party (selected not elected),the war on terror (the necessary response to 9/11), and a party that completely abandoned their principals to become greatly indistinguishable from DC Democrats (culminating in the very symbolic choice of McCain as the Republican nominee).

    The 2006 midterms were a result of Republicans staying home because of Congress’s excesses, but were blamed on Bushes war, most notably by the surviving Republicans in Congress.

    I believe the low poll numbers for Bush are artificially influenced by a general distaste of Washington in general (consider the low approval ratings for Congress), and a relentless media drumbeat of anti-Bush scapegoating, along with a general overload of all the “crisis’s” (best represented by global warming, the crisis being, wait for it, the weather is going to change!)

    Personally, I look forward to reading W’s memoirs. I hope he allows blunt truth to trump decorum for a change.

    I don’t think “The People” who voted for Obama are stupid, but I do believe they are ignorant. Willfully and happily ignorant. They just want the steady drumbeat of negativity to stop,hope and change sounds so nice…

    Clinton wasn’t a hero of the American people when he left office; remember how Republicans were looking in 2000? The same as Democrats are looking now.

  113. Clinton left office with a 66% approval rating, lee:

    http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm

    At one time, Bush had over a 90% approval rating.

    Kind of hard to chalk up his plummet to “a general distaste of Washington” don’t you think?

    I mean, 60+% of Americans lost faith in Bush in just a few years.

  114. Kind of hard to chalk up his plummet to “a general distaste of Washington” don’t you think?

    nope. or perhaps you could explain the ratings for Congress?

  115. #100:

    By promising the moon, the stars, and candybars – then appointing the ideologically same people (and some of the exact same people) G.H.W. Bush, W.J. Clinton, and G.W. Bush appointed.

    Hope and Change means Business as Usual. So far. If Brent Scowcroft reappears then you are free of the last eight years, and right back to ‘balance of power’ and ‘he’s a bastard, but he’s our bastard’ as official policy – none of that ‘human liberty’ or ‘democracy’ nonsense. Seeing the appointments so far, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hank Kissenger show up for an encore.

    What? Surprise? Everyone in official bureaucratic, Sunday News Show Washington has been pining for a post-WWII bi-polar world again (nevermind that it is as dead as Metternich). If the Soviet Union can’t be resurrected, then Islamofascist Islam will do. You see, all of the proper mental templates will then work properly as they have not in this post-USSR, post 9/11 version of Kipling’s World.

    “They eat and drink and scheme and plod,
    And go to church on Sunday,
    And many are afraid of God,
    But more of Mrs. Grundy.”

    But Kipling will still have the last laugh…

  116. I don’t know why we keep coming back to this. it’s all very obvious information. American’s don’t know much. The liberal illuminati can tell this story anyway they want but it all adds up the same… their voters don’t know much about politics. But that’s not a crime. And obviously the conservative voters don’t know much more then them unless it’s about Palin. Moving on…

  117. Stop dodging lee’s point, tuberhead, how do you blame this on Bush?
    http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

  118. maggie,

    Clinton left office with a 66% approval rating and Obama is coming into office with a similar number.

    Bush’s approval ratings in the 20s is his and his alone.

  119. you forgot Congress.

  120. I seriously think

    Not so it shows.

  121. You are still missing the point, tuberhead. All the exit polls, studies and quizes have repeatedly shown that the vast majority of Obama voters are ignorant dullards, why should we care that Obama is popular with them?

  122. but B Moe, everbody is jumping off this cliff! it’s fun! Gawd, you’re such a stick-in-the-mud.

  123. I understand, B Moe.

    Al Gore’s supporters felt just like you do now.

    It doesn’t go away, either.

    You’ll be sitting on the porch in your rocker boring your grandkids with your insights into the mean intelligence of Obama’s supporters.

  124. I understand, B Moe.

    Al Gore’s supporters felt just like you do now.

    You don’t understand shit, taterhead. I didn’t have a horse in this race. Don’t have grandkids, either.

  125. It’s easy to see the flecks of spittle hitting your screen with every post you bang out, B Moe.

    Something’s got you upset.

    My condolences if it isn’t something as trivial as politics.

  126. still not seeing an explanation for Congress’ approval rating. hmmmmmm. it is a puzzlement.

  127. I understand that the Radical Right has a desire to collectivize everything, maggie, so why don’t you explain to us what Congress’ low approval ratings have to do with the President’s approval ratings?

  128. it has to do with, um, “a general distaste for Washington”. or at least to some people. who aren’t crapweasels.

  129. So America’s general distaste for Washington caused them to nominate two Senators as candidates for President?

    Makes about as much sense as the shoddy poll in the original post.

  130. It’s easy to see the flecks of spittle hitting your screen with every post you bang out, B Moe.

    Something’s got you upset.

    Hallucinating morons, mostly.

  131. actually, combined with the poll results.. it kinda makes sense. People are ill informed.

  132. “My condolences if it isn’t something as trivial as politics.”

    Said the troll for whom politics are so trivial he keeps returning to blogs which have banned him under new screen names. Heh.

  133. snippy – Why is that Democratic Congress’ rating even lower than Bush’s? Can you ‘splain that Lucy?


  134. Comment by maggie katzen on 12/4 @ 12:47 am #

    actually, combined with the poll results.. it kinda makes sense. People are ill informed.

    Fat preggied small town hicks point their hand palms to the sky and proclaim, “don’t get it, all them city folk are’m uninformed – giggle, giggle – here pig sooey, here pig soooey!”

  135. Fat preggied small town hicks point their hand palms to the sky and proclaim, “don’t get it, all them city folk are’m uninformed – giggle, giggle – here pig sooey, here pig soooey!”

    And the salad tossing cellmate makes his mating call!

  136. Your thoughts would be much more impressive if you shared them in French verse, thor. Seriously.

  137. Fat preggied small town hicks point their hand palms to the sky and proclaim, “don’t get it, all them city folk are’m uninformed – giggle, giggle – here pig sooey, here pig soooey!”

    Honestly, this bugs the shit out of me. Being from a small town has zero correlation to intelligence or political knowledge. THANKS INTERNET! I’ll take your uninformed small town hick and raise you an inner-city, high school drop out with two baby-mommas.

    Even educated city folks that I know – and I know many – are pretty much only superficially interested in politics and get most of their info from (not John Stewert, because, you know they don’t own a tv) casual information sources.

    But, here’s a thought … how ’bout we stop pandering to the low-info voter? The left has been using leverage with them for years. I GOT one of those postcards from the ACLU with dogs attack black folks back in 04. That shit’s been going on with the left for years.

  138. I understand that the Radical Right has a desire to collectivize everything, maggie

    It has absolutely no sense of irony. Or at least, none that shows.

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  140. But, here’s a thought … how ’bout we stop pandering to the low-info voter? The left has been using leverage with them for years. I GOT one of those postcards from the ACLU with dogs attack black folks back in 04. That shit’s been going on with the left for years.

    Except, Carin, they don’t think that’s pandering, but rather that it’s informing. I think they honestly believe that shit.

  141. “Comment by sashal on 12/3 @ 5:15 pm #

    I seriously think that the majority of modern day republicans are the dumbest people on Earth

    It burns! The irony burns. You don’t know many democrats. Think about large county governments. Too many dumb people to shake a stick at.

  142. Fat preggied small town hicks point their hand palms to the sky and proclaim, “don’t get it, all them city folk are’m uninformed – giggle, giggle – here pig sooey, here pig soooey!”

    oh, cool, is this one of those “me and Carin are the same person” things like Pablo/BMoe/Jeff?

    Guess I’ll be stalking Pablo now, too.

  143. Thor’s hilarious. Half the time he’s an elitist shithead. The other half he’s a voice for the proles. But, all of the time he’s simply an asshole.

  144. Thor cracks himself up. Others, not so much.

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  147. So, what about the new Wilson Poll? Again commission by wingnut Ziegler from a Republican polling firm. Same story.

    Wall Street Journal:

    it still fails to demonstrate convincingly that a biased media misinformed the public or that misinformation swung the election. … A chief flaw of the first survey was that many of the questions about Obama or his running mate, but none about McCain or his running mate, concerned events from the distant past — leading to the impression that Obama voters were biased in remembering the negative (and more recent) McCain/Sarah Palin events, and to the impression that they weren’t well-informed. That flaw wasn’t fully addressed in the new survey.

    Sour grapes for the poorer, fatter, dumber, and whiter.

  148. The question still stands. What’s with you and the ukelele?

  149. Guess I’ll be stalking Pablo now, too.

    I guess I’d better get the bar stocked.

  150. How does one stalk pablo, anyway, with his clever pseudonym? He could be any asshole in Boston with a grudge and a temper.

  151. North or South?

  152. Why do I suspect that William is a twatwaffle?

  153. Because he is, indeed, William of Strange.

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