“The View’s” Joy Behar — who once became enraged at a guest scientist whose job it was, for one particular segment, to look for germs in the lady’s personal bathrooms and found fecal matter in Behar’s toothbrush (true story) — puts on her old public school teacher persona and talks her some sophomoric shit about “demented” home schooled children.
– Which, I guess if you’re brushing your teeth with it, it’s almost bound to come out spilling of your mouth at some point.
I wonder: does she blot her lipstick with toilet paper?
Comment by happyfeet on 11/22 @ 9:40 am #
oh. That’s the Walt Disney Company what pays the Joy Behar. I guess Walt Disney decided they’re only wanting to sell their Pixars and stuff to normal liberal children. Savvy or no? It’s an interesting choice.
Comment by happyfeet on 11/22 @ 9:51 am #
you have to go to about 6:50 for the part where Joy Behar shares her wisdom with you
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 10:10 am #
Other than Behar, those women put me in mind of a flock of chickens.
She’s more in the buzzard vein.
Once upon a morning weary, while I pondered weak and beery,
Over many a quaint and curious channel of forgotten shows,
While I vegged out, IQ leaching, suddenly there came a preaching,
As of some one harshly screeching, screeching like a flock of crows.
”Tis those harridans,’ I muttered, ’screeching bints in pantyhose -
Only bints, with menstr’al flows.’
Comment by serr8d on 11/22 @ 10:10 am #
Of course Joy feels threatened by home schooled kids. Makes the college stage indoctrinations all that more difficult.
A comment from The William a while back, on home schooling..
No, they were taught to question your beliefs, preconceptions and to resist your indoctrinations.
You’ll see conservatism-classical liberalism attacked, on every conceivable front, for the foreseeable future. Our smackdown and payback comes in a couple years, if we can hang on.
Just for a few
swingsyears..Comment by Techie on 11/22 @ 10:17 am #
“He’s so conservative that my ‘normal students’ hesitate to say fuck or (sic)goddam in front of him. It’s no wonder these kids are so screwed up, so smart but so incredibly ignorant and sheltered.”
Wow.
My language is peppered appropriately with saltiness, but that’s the most fucking goddamn condescending thing I’ve read in a while.
Comment by geoffb on 11/22 @ 10:36 am #
Good description of his own cloistered class in their ivy walled fortresses.
Projection, on campus, it’s not just for art films anymore.
Comment by Lyndsey on 11/22 @ 10:38 am #
This is the beef a lot of people had with me when I homeschooled our kids when they were younger–that they wouldn’t be socialized. Mostly that seemed to mean that they wouldn’t “fit in.” They happen to get along with people of all ages because I made a point of having them spend time with people their age, adults and elderly adults, too.
They’ve been in public school for the last two years because I feel the “indoctrination” is complete. Pardon my snark.
I want them to balance anything they are taught as they grow older against our beliefs. I want them to be able to think for themselves and question, rather than blindly accept whatever they are told.
That said, do they mesh well with every kid at school? Not so much. They weren’t raised to value things and clothes. They seem to be articulate and bright and respectful. There are times they don’t fit in, but that’s too bad. I’m not sure “fitting in” is a way to success in life.
Comment by urthshu on 11/22 @ 10:46 am #
Is a vegan kid ‘weird’?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 10:46 am #
They happen to get along with people of all ages
Yes. The “socialization” argument is ridiculous on its face. There are few environments more artificial and contrived than that of the public school.
Our public school system we was designed to “socialize” immigrant children to be factory workers.
Comment by cranky-d on 11/22 @ 10:48 am #
As far as I can tell, “socializing” consists of breaking off into groups and attacking the ones considered inferior. Very little of what you learn when dealing with your fellow children is applicable later in life. Knowing how to deal with adults is much more important. As long as the kids get to see other kids and other adults regularly, I think home-schooling is a great thing. If I had kids I would want to home-school them, just to avoid them being indoctrinated in a culture that values feeling over thinking.
Comment by Darleen on 11/22 @ 10:53 am #
“He’s so conservative that my ‘normal students’ hesitate to say fuck or (sic)goddam in front of him. It’s no wonder these kids are so screwed up, so smart but so incredibly ignorant and sheltered.â€Â
Ummm, I guess I attended school in the dark ages, because if a teacher ever overheard you saying those words you’d end up in the principal’s office.
I guess profanity is normal now because leftists have destroyed any semblance of the holy in the public realm.
Comment by Carin on 11/22 @ 11:02 am #
You know, it’s too bad that home school kids turn out to be such freaks. Everyone knows that there are no freaks (or geeks) in regular school. Yep, perfectly adjusted are all those kids out in the real world…
Of course, I do a complete education with my kids. Even the youngest knows a few salty words, much to my mortification.
Comment by Darleen on 11/22 @ 11:10 am #
Carin
All kids know “salty” words. But they are supposed to learn appropriateness.
A kid is no more to tell an adult to fuck off then he is to drop trou and take a dump in the middle of a crowd.
Comment by urthshu on 11/22 @ 11:18 am #
Imagine! Those other kids are ashamed to act like boors! teh horror!
Comment by Mossberg500 on 11/22 @ 11:45 am #
Sister Mary _________(fill in the blank) did’t play that when I attended school.
Comment by Lyndsey on 11/22 @ 11:52 am #
I was at a store the other day and the teenager behind the counter making conversation told me all about the “bullshit” morning employee meeting. He actually said “bullshit” to a customer while voicing disrespect for his employers. It was amazing, really.
Comment by Zelda on 11/22 @ 12:00 pm #
I was homeschooled and was exactly what The William person described. I cared for awhile, then worked my shit out like everyone else, and haven’t cared since. But let me tell you, I gave the overly socialized, indoctrinated sheep something to think about every time I opened my ignorant, sheltered, goddamn fucking mouth.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/22 @ 12:27 pm #
Funny, when I was in undergrad, most of my collegues in the honors program were the home-schooled folks; a few were a bit more socially inept than others, but among us engineers-who could tell!
I am shocked, Shocked! that Joy Behar, a former public schoolteacher, could be heard making such a sweeping generalization and less than understanding obervation about “the children“…
Especially considering her affiliation with the party of Tolerance!, Diversity!, Unity!, Empathy!, Understanding!, Inclusion!, etc, as well as her identification with O!, her messiah…
Actually, it’s not too hard to understand…Joy Behar is a spiteful, vengeful, prejudiced, moronic, Bitch!; and the public school system is far better off not having her involved in it…
Of course, that doesn’t mean she isn’t an archetype of many members of AFT, NEA, and the public school cadre in general…
No wonder our kids can’t read, write, and cipher…
Comment by Mossberg500 on 11/22 @ 12:47 pm #
You forgot gusintas…two gusinta two, once…two gusinta four, twice…
Comment by Salt Lick on 11/22 @ 2:40 pm #
I’ve seen it first hand now for 20 years as a professor. … they are in the vast minority, generally maladjusted freaks, even though they are really good people, just haven’t seen enough of the world I guess
Good Lord. I worked in academia for 20 years, too, and I’ve never read anything so self-unaware.
Comment by sdferr on 11/22 @ 2:52 pm #
Well Salt Lick, as serr8d can tell you firsthand, his introduced “the william” is a very special kind of whack, a rarer bird than not. Those of us who are fortunate not to have a “the william” in our lives are pretty damned lucky, I think.
Comment by William on 11/22 @ 4:07 pm #
When you’re indoctrinated into religious conservative dogma, it’s easy to describe the normal intelligent open minded critical thinking majority as “sheep”. Dogma is what it is and can not be challenged. There is never absolute certainty in anything but dogma, a mind made up is closed. That’s why dogma sucks, because you’re taught not to question it. Being in a learning environment is about questioning everything.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:10 pm #
Says the most pig-ignorant and brainwashed “academic” I’ve ever encountered.
Tell me, William, when is the last time you ever “questioned” any of your dogma?
You never have, have you?
It’s obviously true, to you, so naturally it would be foolish to question it. Only “sheep” could be that foolish.
You’re a real piece of work, William.
Comment by Salt Lick on 11/22 @ 4:14 pm #
Being in a learning environment is about questioning everything.
Tell it to Lawrence Summers, you pompous dipshit.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:15 pm #
“As long as you don’t question the theories of William and his fellow cult members” understood, Salt Lick.
Comment by William on 11/22 @ 4:22 pm #
Tell me, William, when is the last time you ever “questioned†any of your dogma?
I don’t subscribe to dogma, facts and evidence only, please.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:26 pm #
I don’t subscribe to dogma
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Trollhammered.
Comment by guinsPen on 11/22 @ 4:29 pm #
Being in a learning environment is about questioning everything.
Ok. What’s with you and the ukelele?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:30 pm #
Oh, since you’re a relative stranger here, William:
Don’t bother replying — I won’t see it.
I have no desire to interact with anyone who refers to his students (his STUDENTS) as “maladjusted freaks”.
You are scum, son.
Comment by thor on 11/22 @ 4:34 pm #
Considering Spies is scum-hammered, we have a bit of irony to relish.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:35 pm #
I see from the sidebar that thor still has his stalky man-crush on me.
It’s never gonna happen, thor.
Sorry.
Comment by B Moe on 11/22 @ 4:39 pm #
Dogma is what it is and can not be challenged.
So that statement is dogma, then?
Comment by lee on 11/22 @ 4:42 pm #
William must have a really low opinion of Muslims, being the poster children of religious ‘education’ (indoctrination) they are. Yet I don’t imagine he calls them socially retarded, screwed up, generally maladjusted freaks, shaped as clones of their narrow minded parents.
The home schooled are a much safer target of course…
Comment by William on 11/22 @ 4:43 pm #
BTW, thanks to the GOP’s “arm band religion” (their claimed ownership of god and morality) the Republican party is dying. Conservatives who are capable of looking outside the box are admitting the obvious: Howard Dean was right… it’s the white kkkristian party. A group that has little tolerance for those who don’t look like them or pray like them.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:44 pm #
Yep. Home schoolers aren’t nearly as likely to saw off your head on videotape.
Also, you can spew hatred toward them without endangering your rare paying gig on NPR.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:46 pm #
BTW, William and thor: why are you here? Shouldn’t you be busy working on Barack’s forthcoming Utopia?
You’re in charge now, bitches. Bring on the goodies.
Start with the free gas, k?
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:47 pm #
Remember: Barack will require you to work!
Comment by Techie on 11/22 @ 4:51 pm #
William, pump my gas.
Or teach a real subject, like engineering. I’m sure 19th Century Lesbian Asian Art is a fascinating class.
Comment by B Moe on 11/22 @ 4:53 pm #
A group that has little tolerance for those who don’t look like them or pray like them.
I am guessing William doesn’t teach any subjects which might broach the concept of irony. Or absurdity, for that matter.
Comment by Techie on 11/22 @ 4:53 pm #
BTW, William, I’ve seen what happens to those that “question” their professor’s dogma…..
Physician, heal thyself.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 4:53 pm #
When you’re done pumping the gas, perhaps you can refresh my memory about when it was that Obama sent his kids to public school.
Comment by William on 11/22 @ 5:04 pm #
My neighbor’s kid is home schooled, about 16. The only kids he sees are from his church. He told me he’s never had a conversation or any contact with a black kid his age. I’m pretty certain he’s never had any contact with anyone of a different religion than his own. The parents restrict cable and internet to their kids. I’ve seen this stuff first hand. This is why they are who they are.
Comment by Techie on 11/22 @ 5:09 pm #
When I was in high school, half of the kids I took music lessons were home-schooled. Maladjusted freaks, the lot of them.
Do you let your kids swear to you, Will, or are they distracted by the Sex and the City marathons?
Comment by B Moe on 11/22 @ 5:11 pm #
Sounds like you live in a pretty homogeneous neighborhood, there, William. Rather talk about diversity than actually participate, huh?
Comment by Techie on 11/22 @ 5:13 pm #
Please, Will has showed his restraint by not turning over those oggiety-boogity Xianists to Child Services. We should be thanking him.
Comment by Techie on 11/22 @ 5:14 pm #
After all, the mark of proper socialization is the frequent use of the word “fuck” apparently.
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/22 @ 5:48 pm #
What’s your excuse?
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/22 @ 5:49 pm #
The home schooled “freaks” in Billy’s classes probably correct his spelling, is why he’s so ungenerous to them.
Comment by Darleen on 11/22 @ 5:51 pm #
William
Are you really “the william”?
Can you explain to me why you would let your students use profanity in the classroom and consider it “normal”?
And channeling Miss Kathie “oooo… now I get invites to the kool kids parties” Parker doesn’t help your credibility to claims of “critical thinking.”
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/22 @ 5:52 pm #
Or not knowing that I’ve already directly addressed that particular piece. Makes the linking of it seem not only redundant, but uninformed.
No real surprise on the latter, though.
Comment by Darleen on 11/22 @ 5:53 pm #
The parents restrict cable and internet to their kids.
Funny, parents acting like, PARENTS … whodda thunk it?
Comment by lee on 11/22 @ 5:59 pm #
Given his rap, I bet the fucker would like to turn them in to Child Protective Services.
California recently floated a law that parents home schooling must have a teaching certificate. It never gained traction, but don’t doubt their desire.
Oh, and Williams undercurrent of hostility? It isn’t about his pity for the unfortunately indoctrinated. It is an irritation over resistance to the progressive program, tinged with a superstitious fear.
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/22 @ 6:31 pm #
William,
My neighbors kids are public schooled. They’re between 14 and 16. Outside of school, the only kids they see are at the mall, the skateboard park, on MTV or You-Tube, or while wildin’ on some old folks to, you know, pick up extra cigarette money. When speaking with them I can tell that they’ve never spoken with anyone who doesn’t act like a down home, ghetto, hip-hop sooopah-stah!; and they’ve been told that kind of behavior is OK because it’s their, ahem, culture…
I’m pretty certain that they’ve never had contact with anyone who doesn’t profess unflinching belief in situational ethics, subjectivism, or multiculturalism; let alone anyone who does believe in religion…
Their parents give them unfettered access to cable, the internet, video games, or just about anything else they decide to get into; they’ve been cautioned not to hinder their creativity…
I’ve seen this stuff firsthand. It’s why they’re who they are…
And William, folks like you are at the root of this problem…
Here’s a thought. Instead of concentrating on indoctrinating our kids with a set of values, such as social justice, identity politics, and multiculturalism, try actually teaching them something instead. A good place to start would be with reading and writing english, and also throw is some mathematics and real hard science-none of this phony AGW consensus science, stick to the kind with actual reproducable results. Oh and while we’re on the subject of facts try teaching some factual history, teach them about why our country is great instead of hand wringing about the horrors of the middle passage and internment camps. And William, try to talk about the nations founders and the Constitution without disgust and condescention for a change…
Last time I checked, parents are legal guardians of their children until the age of majority. And, they’re free to impart their own value set to their offspring. While the public schools have the collective assent of adults to educate our children, they were never meant to instill the governments preferred value set in them.
Your tone tells me you’re a bigoted, elitist, simp. And your remarks betray a person with a closed mind. Funny how you transfer that onto others, you hypocrite!
Comment by clarice on 11/22 @ 6:46 pm #
We all know Joy Behars..the opiniated nitwit women who never shut up and win arguments because no one can win a debate with an idiot. As for the fecal matter on the toothbrush–I expect her cleaning lady used the toothbrush to clean her toilet because Joy was so much fun to work for. Just a guess, of course.
Comment by Rusty on 11/22 @ 7:04 pm #
#34
Whoa! Dude. Not any bigotry from where you sit, is there?
Comment by EL on 11/22 @ 8:19 pm #
Bob Reed thinks multiculturalism is the enemy. He thinks education in general is the enemy. He thinks this is the same country founded by white European men that committed genocide against Native Americans, denied women the right to vote, and enslaved Africans. The founders who ‘walked the Christian walk’ when they had to in their public statements while calling the whole Jesus cult a bunch of bullshit in their private letters (see Jefferson, Pain, Madison, Franklin, Monroe).
Comment by McGehee on 11/22 @ 8:47 pm #
EL thinks he knows what Bob Reed thinks. EL doesn’t even know what EL thinks.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 8:49 pm #
EL thinks that EL is making original arguments. EL is a dullwitted memebot parroting left wing talking points.
EL isn’t very bright.
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/22 @ 9:18 pm #
Well, you have that right as a parent unless you’re teaching hate speech, Bob. Then the government can take away your right to raise your child for the child’s own good.
So be careful when you question AGW. Because I’ve heard from some advocates that doing so is akin to being a Holocaust denier. And that’s hateful. And that hate might rub off on your kids. Which is why the state might have to save them. For their own good.
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 11/22 @ 9:25 pm #
Oh, and “EL” sounds just like William.
Odd, that.
Comment by thor on 11/22 @ 9:30 pm #
The right-wing government of the State of Texas tried that mass child abduction thing and lost in court.
Comment by Jeff G. on 11/22 @ 9:39 pm #
If you’d read the site once in a while, thor, instead of crafting what you seem to think are marvelous barbs, you’d know that, for a “right winger,” I’m not too big on social cons who act like progressives.
Why you’d address something like that to me is therefore quite curious. Unless you know of some posts where I argued that those children should be taken away by the state. Or the posts where I argued for state intervention in similar cases. You know, to really bring the GOTCHA!
There’s a search engine up and to the left. Go on. We’ll wait here.
Comment by thor on 11/22 @ 9:59 pm #
You’re exaggerating a bit, I think, concerning the ease at which CPS can take your child. That’s why I addressed you with my repsonse.
I too was against the state of Texas’s actions. I think it was single-handed and largest abuse of CPS power this nation has ever seen in modern times. And I think it took nutty left-winger legal interpretation within the CPS combined with a right-wing state enforcement mechanism gone mad to pull that disaster off. If anything the legal precedents involving state custody of children has been better clarified and moved towards parental rights, I hope.
Comment by Zelda on 11/22 @ 11:22 pm #
When you’re indoctrinated into religious conservative dogma,
I’ll do you one better. My parents, and consequently my sisters and I were indoctrinated into a religious conservative cult. To say they were dogmatic would make dogmatists look like hedonists.
it’s easy to describe the normal intelligent open minded critical thinking majority as “sheepâ€Â.
This is not true. It is never easy to label those who think critically as sheep no matter how religious or indoctrinated you are. It’s the proverbial chink in the armor of indoctrination. But there are more than one type of sheep. There are the sheep who never question their religion or dogma, and then there are those who unthinkingly attack it. Both are equally intolerant, although only one is a fucking liar about it.
Are you impressed by my profanity? I’m rather proud of it, myself. I guess I belong now.
Comment by Jim Ryan on 11/22 @ 11:43 pm #
William, is right I homeschool my kids and I don’t let them meet other beings. I force them to believe that people with different religious convictions from theirs are automata with no mental or genuinely consciousness states (zombies that are undetectable until their religion is divulged.) At night in one of the rooms of our house we run in a circle howling up at the heavens and wearing only loincloths, reveling in the extasy of our dogmatic purity and exorcising ghosts of the unholy from the room if anyone from the outside had been there that day, such as the heating repairman or something. We express distaste for the idea that he may have traveled to other countries, perhaps in the service or on tropical vacation. Chips are not usually allowed in the house and ice cream is right out. Only on Tuesdays are the children allowed to speak, and at church we don’t allow people of other colors of skin to say anything except Christmas when they may utter a sole “hallelujah,” but only if they’ve properly homeschooled their children to despise the Soviet Union not because it killed so many innocents as because it was Godless.
Comment by Joan of Argghh! on 11/23 @ 6:42 am #
I homeschooled my son, and he’s now a chef, smokes fine cigars, has an acute taste for good jazz, and understands what makes Scotch a gift from the gods. He’s a pretty good shot, too, and if it wasn’t for flat feet he would have gone to Annapolis. And he turned down a job at Microsoft on the grounds of it being too boring.
He’s a menace only to people with untrained palates and tin ears.
I gotta admit, JimRyan’s house sounds far more interesting! “When good philosophers blog drunk!” LOL!
Comment by Bob Reed on 11/23 @ 11:35 am #
El, or whoever you really are,
As a matter of fact, I don’t think education is the enemy; education and lifelong learning are things that I value highly. What I do think is evil is the indoctrination in place of, and under the guise of, education in our public school systems. And, I believe that teachers and administrators who promote and support this connivance are the enemy of our youth, and by ectension our nations future…
And, as far as the white European men who committed genocide, etc…
We here are extremely fortunate that they founded our nation, and structured the Constitution, and our government, the way they did. Hsve there been grave errors and injustices comitted along the way; yes of course there have. But, there have been far more advancements, victories, and freedoms extended, both here at home and through our sacrifice abroad, than there have been oppressions…
And El, before you try to play any identity games with me, you should know that I am an appreciable percentage Cherokee indian; enough so that had I chose victim-hood instead of self reliance, I could have easily connived a free ride through college. So, while I realize that black is the trump-du-jour in the identity politics deck, by your own heirarchy of grievances I hold the ace of spades in that same deck…
And one final note, many black Americans are starting to get fed up with the do-nothing public eductaion system, and are starting to demand accountability and results. They want their kids to be educated, not indoctrinated. The pendulum is gonna swing soon, pal; and you might not like the direction it’s gonna move in…
Comment by Darleen on 11/23 @ 11:39 am #
by white European men that committed genocide against Native Americans,
Someone else who has bought Howard Zinn’s revisionist twaddle hook-line-n-sinker.
Comment by Mikey NTH on 11/23 @ 11:51 am #
by white European men that committed genocide against Native Americans,
when the native Americans were not committing genocide on each other.
Look up Hurons vs. Iroquois. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/294660/Iroquois-Confederacy
Comment by ushie on 11/23 @ 3:13 pm #
Oh, God, William sounds like every lefty academic I had to pretend to listen to in order to get my doctoral degree. Say, William, how many black people are you friends with? I don’t mean “teach” or “buy stuff from.” I mean how many do you just naturally hang out with, without praising yourself for your incredible understanding and tolerance?
Comment by guinsPen on 11/23 @ 3:52 pm #
EL
Still, you’ve got to admit Phoebe was something, in her day.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 11/24 @ 11:17 am #
I’m still amazed that people blame the US for acts committed by the British, Spanish, and French. We’re not blameless, but we come out a lot better than they do.
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