From FIRE:
Staff members kept individual files on students and their beliefs – which were to be archived after graduation.Mandatory group sessions singled out and shamed non-minority students because of their “privilege†in American society. Other mandatory group sessions forced students to name and then act out the worst possible racial, sexual and other stereotypes they could think of, which polarized students more than it helped them appreciate diversity. Students with “traditional†beliefs had to become “allies†and “change agents†by their senior year. Posters and door decorations provided the politicized ResLife messages everywhere; one could not escape them. One administrator of the program, Sendy Guerrier, wrote that students “should be confronted with this information at every turn†and that the program should leave “a mental footprint on [students’] consciousness.†The program was called a “treatment†for students’ alleged moral illnesses of consumerism, inherent racism, and oppressive tendencies. UD was proud of this “treatment,†holding an annual Residential Curriculum Institute so that residence life officials nationwide could do the same.
For a complete run down of this kind of “thought reform” by a State University (in this case, Joe Biden’s Delaware), see David Thompson, who notes that the outcry over this hideous attempt to forcibly indoctrinate students only halted it until media scrutiny subsided.
Because apparently, “It’s coming back, of course. Same staff, same message, new codewords.”
You want a return to classical liberalism? Document these kinds of abuses. Get video and audio tape evidence. Take photos. And then share them with the taxpayers of your state, and the alumni of the institutions in question.
Tell them that every dime they give to their alma maters could potentially be used to push the kind of progressive agenda that is working overtime to undermine the founding principles of this country.
Start (free) blogsites easily found by by prospective students in which these kinds of anti-intellectual abuses are contextualized and laid bare.
Give these students the tools to fight the abuses: contact information to FIRE; a crash course in kernel assumptions of the various competing hermeneutic schools, and how to challenge incoherent linguist practice by knowing how to “problematize” what has become the institutionalized status quo privileging
“interpretive communities” and the “authenticity” of particular identity group that allows them to design and implement their own group narrative unbothered by criticism that comes from the “inauthentic” who, the argument goes, are in no position to criticize.
In short, stand athwart the airbrushing of intellectualism and yell, “dude. We’re on to your bullshit!”
This is the kind of “movement” we need — not some “pragmatic” reconstitution of blog alliances that mimics that used by the left.
Conservatives/classical liberals/right-leaning libertarians are not losing the battle of ideas. Instead, they have decided that articulating those ideas for the common man is too difficult and too time consuming. Whereas the Kossack Al Davis political mantra of “Just win, baby!” has taken on a kind of romantic, swashbuckling appeal for activists on the right.
But that is a short term solution to a long-term problem, one that arises out of the very real fact that we’ve let our institutions be overtaken from within by a series of small concessions that, in the aggregate, have created the current Orwellian political climate wherein free speech is defined as that speech that doesn’t run afoul of “hate speech” and that expresses “tolerance”; and our bastions of intellectualism are mandating that people believe a certain way or else have their files indicate that they haven’t completed the kind of proper re-training that will assure that they act in accordance with “progressive” notions of proving oneself cured of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. — which, in each instance, involves adopting a worldview in which identity groups are given special dispensations are are perforce kept from being incorporated into the larger notion of a citizenry whose members are equal before the law.
The long-term solution is to refuse to make concessions at each stage. To articulate the reason for that refusal — appealing in each instance to the intentions of the founders who had an idea of freedom and individualism in mind that is being systematically undermined by such progressive projects as “multiculturalism” and “diversity.” And to take back the substructure that allows for such nonsense — namely, the proper description of interpretation and the proper locus of meaning, bolstered by the proper understanding of how intent governs meaning in all cases .
I can help draw up a plan, if some of you would be willing to help. And I can even publish it as a pamphlet.
But we as classical liberals must agree that this is the proper way forward. And we must stick to the plan of championing freedom in the context of our Constitution.
Otherwise, I fear we are sunk.
“This is the kind of “movement†we need  not some “pragmatic†reconstitution of blog alliances that mimics that used by the left.”
Woo and yay, and amen to that.
You have to just say no to this sort of dopey shit. If Baracky wins then saying no to dopey shit will be an everyday thing I think. Everyone can play. Me I’m ready.
We need a party.
BTW, Zomblog got hold of an old Weathermen rag, the circa 1975 premiere issue of “Osawastomie”. There are a few moments of “hmmm” to be had.
These people don’t face being challenged with equanimity though. That’s the fun part I think.
I think our “return” lies in schools fashioned and functioning like this one. SBP, ThomasD, McGehee and I chewed it over a bit here, where additional links may be found.
I can help draw up a plan, if some of you would be willing to help. And I can even publish it as a pamphlet.
I’m in.
A few posts over the last few days have made me wonder whether they were Onionesque satire, though I know they weren’t. This is another one of them. We may have forgotten history but it hasn’t forgotten us.
http://www.viddler.com/explore/AwakeAndAriseOr/videos/6/
Jeff G,
I agree that resorting to the left’s tactics, of sloganeering, issue oversimplification, and reliance on ad hominem attacks, while possibly useful in the short term-especially behind an appealing and charismatic “front man”, will only serve to doom classical liberalism in the long run.
I also agree that since this “progressive” indoctrination begins in the institutions, that this is the place to take it on.
Tell us all how we can help…
Best Wishes…
We need to have a meeting and not one of those sit-around-and-try-not-to-fall-asleep meetings either. Meetings produce plans sometimes. We need one like that.
Will there be pie at the meeting? If so, I’m in.
Unless it’s one of those bullshit chocolate pies or some such. Pies need fruit, and I’ll have it no other way.
I can write some code, if that will help. I studied Hayakawa and Korzybski as a mere lad and some of it stuck. So there’s that, too.
Everyone’s prolly watching football. Lions fan here, so I’ve got my Sundays free. Guess I’ll go to the library. I want to get that new book “The End of Prosperity” but my ‘bery doesn’t have it. SHOCKA. $27 retail.
See what having a horrible football team does for you? Leaves plenty of time for church, the library, and then the gym.
You just can’t have enough giant paper mache heads………………and beer.
Amen, and count me in.
I would have acted out the stereotype of the idiot touchy-feely progg who thinks mandatory group sessions accomplish anything except suppression of diverse opinion.
And that would have been the last anyone ever heard of me.
I volunteer to throw myself on the chocolate pies, just for Carin.
Awesome idea Jeff; I was just thinking about this the other day. There was an anti-Obama protest that turned ugly at our local university the other day, when the pro-Obama college students decided that the criticism of Obama must be racist. The university president’s response was “I strongly encourage everyone in the Aggie Family to respect the opinions of others, especially if you disagree with them. Even more importantly, I urge you to express your opinions and ideas in a respectful way…” I looked at that, shook my head, and wondered what Jeff would have to say.
So I started going through your archives looking for all your old posts about identity politics and other issues, but it turns out that most of the links are broken since the site change, and very few of them are tagged under the categories on the sidebar. Do you think there is a way to get all those old posts compiled somewhere? I’d love to take the argument to the diversity divas, but I don’t know if I can make the argument that well without reviewing your stuff.
OK but what if its one of those chocolate/fruit pies?
performance art meetings are the way to go..
spell cat with a k[backwards k works best]
stick it on ur fridge..[hey-my fridge is running!-it’s got my vote]
then we sema-phore[sp?]each other..
or tap dance in morse code..either or
it’s all good
“…I’m kicking out da science
droppin’ da New Knowledge
An’ I’ll see to a degree
you don’t graduate from college…”
-Baracky MC
Depends on the fruit.
If it’s tomatoes, Carin can have it.
And if you live in a state with elected trustees, make sure that it becomes a pain in the ass issue for them. Trustees abdicated their responsibilities on most campuses years ago to become rubber stamps for nutty faculty decisions. If you can organize people to write to trustees and raise hell, you may get somewhere. Sending clear messages to your alumni association can’t hurt, either.
Depends on the fruit.
If it’s tomatoes, Carin can have it.
But isn’t that….pizza?
Jeff, you’re absolutely right here. I think outrages like this happen only in the dark…the first beam of sunlight disinfects them immediately. Parents and citizens have no idea this shit is going on. Informing people is the first step in getting rid of it.
Oh, and does anyone want to venture a guess as to what Trust Fund Billy Ayers thinks of this maoist self-criticism shit?
“I can help draw up a plan, if some of you would be willing to help. And I can even publish it as a pamphlet.”
You guys do the heavy intellectual lifting, and I’ll provide the literary flourish.
And by “literary flourish,” I mean curse words.
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” …and whatnot.
(trying to get the lingo down, so’s I can pass Obama’s Spetsnaz manned checkpoints next week. Are you’re papers in order?)
And Jeff? A pamphlet is for famous Jewish athletes. WRITE YOUR FRIGGIN BOOK ALREADY!!
I’m in, of course, assuming that they let us have Internet access in the camps. If not, I’ll be teaching someone something right up to the time they lead me to the wall.
The thread that sdferr linked shows that we differ on details and methods, not on goals.
In addition to FIRE and the indispensable David Thompson, ACTA should be in the RSS reader of anyone who is concerned with these issues.
Erin O’Connor is another good site (I’ve been following her for a long time — she left academia quite recently and started working for ACTA).
Perhaps a classic liberal reading list would be in order?
You need to tell me where they top a traditional pizza with chocolate, so I can avoid that place.
Jeff,
By all means, pursue your plan, but I’ve got a short term tactical fix. Students–especially guys–need to grow a pair. Tell your RAs to go eff themselves. Tactfully. Discretely. You’ll be pleasantly surprised by just how cool your RA can be if he suspects he might get his/her/its/transgendered/gay/lesbian/bi ass kicked.
I’d like to see Jeff and Iowahawk collaborate on a book (and no, they wouldn’t co-author, they’d fucking “collaborate”).
Man, that would be the classical liberal manifesto for the next 40 years.
It will be a long march.
Forty years ago, the “progressives” sought to take over the academy – literally. They stormed the places by force. There were riots and protests at the universities not because they were liberal freakzones, but because they were bastions of the establishment. There were bombs and fires and the siezing of administration buildings – and look what they sought in return. Institutionalization of their radicalism. The establish of departments of womens and african and chicano studies, the tenure of communists, and makling the schools union shops.
Now those effers *are* the establishment. William Ayers is a professor of education, and was chosen to administer how hundreds of millions of (non-profit and unaudited) dollars would be spent on the education of children. His wife, Bernadette Dohrn – a convicted terrorist who is not allowed to practice law, is a professor of it not in some prison school, but at Northwestern.
Look at how they took their positions – and we are going to take them back merely by blowing the bullshit whistle?
I don’t advocate violence. But I don’t see any way they’ll let their hold on the academy, the language, the culture, go without a fight. Look at the fight over trustees at Dartmouth. Try to work the system to bring it back in line, they’ll just change the rules on you.
Those guys read Alinsky, they mean it.
Question:
How much of this, do you think, is intellectual fad or permanent change? The post-modernist crap seems to have petered out…
A source article by James Piereson, published in the Weekly Standard, 10/03/2005 entitled “The Left University: How it was born; how it grew; how to overcome it.”. Well worth a read good people.
urthshu, I think it is petering out among the younger faculty members (although there are definitely still some True Believers). The problem is that tenure and hiring decisions are in the hands of aging Marxists.
Got this email. Made me smile. Here it is:
Dear Fellow Small Business Owners,
As a Business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will probably be our next President, and that my Taxes and Carbon Fees (or however his government chooses to rape me), will go up in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Customer will have to see an increase in my costs to them of about 20%. So connect economic ankle to shin, shin to knee, knee to thigh, and I will have to lay off roughly 8 of my employees in my forced tithe to “The One.” This really, really bothers me. I believe we are family here and I wasn’t sure how to choose who will get to stay and who will have to go.
So, I strolled thru the parking lot this morning and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on my employees cars. These folks will be the first to be laid off.
Fair?
Sincerely,
[name witheld]
I can’t think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a better idea, let me know.
I am sending this letter to all Business owners that I know.
Sincerely
although there are definitely still some True Believers
I wanted to elaborate on this a bit.
The young True Believers are mostly the sort who would go along with any prevailing philosophy. They’re followers, not leaders.
The young followers have no cogent cohesive personally defensible rationale you’re saying SBP? That makes sense to me. Too damned hard for most folks, takes too much time, always plagued with uncertainty. They want answers now and they want them that’ll get the most best girls or boys, whichever.
Right. Actually, there are two groups — those who will blindly follow any authority figure (see Eric Hoffer) and a second (probably larger) group who simply goes along to get along. The second group justs want to be left alone to study Anglo-Saxon poetry, superconductors, or molecular biology. They assume that their “activist” peers must have the right answers, ’cause they’ve never even bothered to think about the issues.
I’m in. I was told I’d never get tenure because of my “politics,” so I left academia. And that was when I hardly even had any politics.
Key Lime.
SarahW, that link is quite startling, and also audacious.
SBP,
“Young true believers” are humanities majors or “pre-law” dipshits who, for the most part (if they’re not joining Daddy’s firm), have no real clue about the racket they’re getting into.
Kid gets a math/science/engineering/finance degree, he’s/she’s smart enough to know what’s what.
Well, I say that, but there’s that former female Harvard student(now lab tech somewhere or other) what went all seizurey cuz Larry Sommers had the fucking temmerity to cite a proven study and say boys have a stronger disposition toward math and science.
How’s the CSN song go? “Teach your children well.”
Lamontyoubigdummy, that may be true as a general trend, but I know plenty of people in the harder disciplines who have leftoid politics.
Hell, our own thor supposedly has an MBA.
I kind of like the idea of pamphlets. I mean, you can’t make people tune into PW on the intertubes. But you could stick a pamphlet on a door. It could be a start. Wet the appetite a bit, and then point them to the book.
Wha? In light of this contention:
…who? how? Who’s going to draw it up the classical liberal list after all? Or will you tell me these are entirely different problems and nevermind how someone can tell classical liberal from not-classical liberal. Why mayn’t I then maintain that we can tell what to include in a curriculum from what we ought not to include? Particularly when we should start out in agreement as to the goal or object to be reached?
itI think a lot of it among the students at least has to do with lack of exposure to actual, versus cartoonish, right-leaning thought. Most just assume it isn’t vigorous or even interesting, more just slavish devotion to the state or tradition – which is hilarious, of course.
Relatedly, I was just about to order “memoirs of a superfluous man” but held off. Any thoughts on that one?
…who? how? Who’s going to draw it up the classical liberal list after all?
Us. Now.
There’s a difference between a list of suggested readings and a formal curriculum.
Osawatomie strikes me as a rather oblique reference to John Brown. Seeing this apparent attempt by totalitarian leftists to link themselves to a devout abolitionist willing to die for his beliefs has just made me taste a bit of my own vomit.
Count me in.
“Lamontyoubigdummy, that may be true as a general trend, but I know plenty of people in the harder disciplines who have leftoid politics.”
Well SBP,…in ’92 I did borrow and wear a Bill Clinton t-shirt to PoliSci class for the sole reason of hooking up with the hot liberal chick in the back row.
And it worked.
You’re right, the major doesn’t matter.
If we can somehow make Classical Liberalism = Hot chicks, we will OWN college campuses.
But right now that’s like trying to get Bill Gates laid before he started Microsoft.
We need a miracle.
Quick, where’s Obama?
Well, perhaps we should begin with what you understand to be a formal curriculum? Or what properly stands behind a formal curriculum (who’s behind the curtain), what philosophical tenets creators of curricula should possess? For there are many such curricula actively applied in the world today and will be, so far as I can tell, far into the future. Is it not at least possible that these very curricula and the (possibly faulty) philosophical projects behind them are doing a great deal of damage as we speak?
And thor could be a rocket surgeon fwiw. He still says the dumbest shit ever uttered by a bi-pedal primate.
I bet he puts “MBA” on his business cards.
>>I can help draw up a plan, if some of you would be willing to help. And I can even publish it as a pamphlet.
Sign me up, Jeff. Just let me know what you’d like me to do, and I’ll give it whack (or tell you up-front I can’t, and why). Most weeks, I can let you have 10 hours min (though somewhat unevenly spread out).
a book..
to hold…
[sigh]
a barnes and noble clerk
would die
die clerk die
hide the book
for …
just one look..
it’s all it took /yeah
just one look
Well, perhaps we should begin with what you understand to be a formal curriculum?
When I tell students that they are required to read certain things, they have to read them (at least in theory :-)). That’s a formal curriculum. Conversely, when I tell everyone here that they should read Eric Hoffer’s The True Believer, that’s a suggestion. You’re all free to ignore it (although I hope you won’t).
I don’t have any problem at all with an individual teacher assigning a set reading list — especially if the students are free to go elsewhere. I have deep philosophical objections to a larger group (whether an academic institution or an outside group) deciding what will and will not be in the canon.
As I said in the other thread, any such concentration of power is likely to fall prey to an Alinsky-style Long March. You gave some examples where this has not occurred. However, that’s not the way to bet.
So — I don’t see any problem with us (collectively or individually) coming up with a reading list. I would have strong objections to any such list becoming a set requirement.
Is that clearer?
Unless it’s one of those bullshit chocolate pies or some such. Pies need fruit, and I’ll have it no other way.
There used to be a chocolate fruit worked the corner of Meigs and Finley a few years ago. He was more of a pie substitute, the way I understood it.
People need to do some research about where their kids are heading off to school. Maybe after that you vote with your dollar and find a conservative school (Hillsdale College?) or start at a community college where there’s not the time and $$ to try to indoctrinate people while you find an appropriate place to finish. Or go to a trade school and jump right into the work force. Also, wouldn’t the root of the problem be that parents aren’t teaching their kids to think for themselves–or question things that seem out of place? Would any of you participated in the kinds of exercises listed in that post?? That’s crazy stuff.
Lindsey, I JUST set down my Imprimis :)
Here’s another one for the pile, by Stanley Kurtz.
Oh yeah, and we need our own party.
~p
we have to target the homeschoolers. While the left tries to malign them as nothing but fundie godbotherers in prarie dresses who think Science is Satan, you’ll find a huge movement of moderates to classical liberals alarmed at what passes for publick educashun and are making the sacrifice to home school.
This is the in … a full classical curriculum k-12 that can innoculate kids to college. Homeschoolers in many states form networks and associations so their kids can get the “social skills” that the leftists sneer that homeschoolers don’t have.
It may be that Obama will work to stamp out homeschooling… certainly his most ferverent acolytes in the public school industry will get a mandate from him to start (and certainly Obama’s “universal preschool” for 3-5 y/os is another Leftist indoctrination plan)
We might eventually have to go underground for a while, but getting the alternative out there through established networks are key.
No peter
We just have to be willing to remake one of the parties into our image.
why do you think the Left hates Palin with such a passion? They are scared to death of her. She has demonstrated that no matter her personal religious beliefs, she doesn’t rule from them. She is independent and pragmatic.
SHE is the next generation of the GOP, along with Jindal.
No one has been able to put forth a viable third party … why waste our time trying to reinvent the wheel when we can just strip and rebuild a solid chassis?
The politics of Public schools “is” one of the reasons I home school. My neighbor’s kid is being taught “acid rain and pollution” in social studies.
I’ll top your acid rain story.
My son’s class recently
spentwasted and hour of class time with a presentation on alcohol (key talking points provided to the guidance counselor by MADD.)He’s in the second grade.
With all the discussion of suggested reading I’d just like to point out that many of the greats (J.S. Mill, Hobbes, etc) are freely available from Project Gutenberg.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I have long thought of this as a syllabus, rather than a curriculum. But I’m a student, not a professor so what do I know?
This seems to me to be wrong on its face. It’s a scarecrow because I gave an example(s) where this has not happened (and will not, I’ll aver). If (dare I say “and only if”? I daren’t) the principles with which one begins preclude it happening anyhow. After all, the whole idea is to get agenda driven political curricula out of the schools to begin with. What better way is there to do this than to treat all political ideas with the same serious reading and discussion, leaving particular political agendas as such for another time and sphere of life?
Are your concerns motivated by a fear (perhaps fear is too strong a word, would worry or premonition be better?) of some coming political monoculture driven by a static and sterile curriculum? Or is it something about the act of naming “Great Books” as such that bothers you? After all, I don’t see this as anything other than a starting point for excellence in education (explicitly undergraduate) where far from being an end, the object is to enable lifelong learning to take place. Not to mention that any multitude of such undertakings (like Hillsdale) would necessarily take place in a free market competitive environment, where a wide range of choice can be expected to obtain. But that there is currently damned little of this particular choice available now is I think, without much dispute.
Okay, since Peter mentioned it at #3 after Jeff gave it a venue, how about a party? The Classical Liberal Party.
Jeff? Run with this theme, yes? Give it voice, which is to say, make it a theme among the next 11mm page views. Make it a regular feature. Pump it up, yo.
I’m in. You guys? If nothing more it’ll knock talk about underwater cars and fricking nanotechnology and Amazon specials out of– oh, was that out loud?
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Okay, I’m back. Anybody signed on yet? Come on you guys.
My most recent list:
J.F.C. Fuller (an influence on Gerhard and modern non-traditional strategy)
T.E. Lawrence (WOW. Better than the movie)
Vo Nguyen Giap
Sun Tzu (A standard)
B.H. Liddell Hart (Champion of the indirect)
These have all been in background reading to dig deeper into the John Boyd line. I have read a couple books about him and Patterns of Conflict (the biography Boyd and a deeper discussion in The Mind of War)
All of this as I say has been in the attempt to crack the atom of Col. Boyd and guiding me in the reading of Frans Osinga’s thesis Science, Strategy, and War. All a bit like a sorbet for Alinskey.
So much more to go… and I find myself gravitating back to Judo or this time even Ju Jitsu as an extension of what I have studied. Any additions or discussion? I believe studying areas such as proposed by Jeff from both sides would be helpful.
“Perhaps a classic liberal reading list would be in order?”
The Moon Is A Harsh Mistresss -Robert A Heinlein
Revolutionary cell structure and TANSTAAFL.
What else do you need?
“Great Books†as such that bothers you? After all, I don’t see this as anything other than a starting point for excellence in education (explicitly undergraduate) where far from being an end, the object is to enable lifelong learning to take place.
Why wait until college? That is one of the problems I have with education today – too little is expected of high school kids. Or, they go to vocational or community college that would never assign “tough” stuff.
My boys are reading some pretty weighty stuff this year, and they’re only 7th and 8th graders. I’m SURE they will miss a bit – but life is short and you have to start reading the “heavy stuff” at a young age if you hope to make it through any of those lists of great works. In addition, if kids aren’t challenged with tougher material, they never will be able to read it.
Rich Cox, have you read Fuller’s Grant biography?
N. O’Brian: Also Starship Troopers but be careful when you get into Friday, Time Enough for Love, or Stranger in a Strange Land.
Not yet… I am still working through Osinga’s Bibliography. But I would love to Comapare and Contrast his take to Grant with Liddell Hart’s. Opinions?
Oh.
Grant’s Personal Memoirs
Wonderful books.
I think a way to make the philosophical arguments underlying classical liberalism/conservativism/libertarianism more accessible to people who aren’t politically involved would go a long way. The “red-meat” books out there by Coulter, Hannity, and that set are good for energizing people about contemporary issues, but they don’t spend much time discussing the first principles which all these current arguments are based on. Most of the books discussing philosophy seem to be heavier philosophy books, which aren’t as accessible to the average reader. One book which has done a good job of explaining the competing worldviews is Thomas Sowell’s A Conflict of Visions. Jeff has also linked to The American Ideal of 1776 before ( http://lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal ).
A series of arguments (either as essays, pamphlets, short videos, etc) could help get the message to more people. I envision it as kind of a “modular kit” with interconnected themes. Different people learn in different ways, and are persuaded in different ways. For some people, starting with the most reduced first principles (property rights) and working toward more specific modern issues (Kelo/eminent domain) is the best approach. For other people, taking the opposite approach may be more productive: start with specific personal issues (Social Security) and work back to first principles (taxation/ role of government). A set of arguments about these different interconnected topics is useful since shorter works are easier to present and to read or watch, and because modularity allows the arguments to be tailored more easily for different audiences.
LOVE love love Hart’s Sherman biography. Did he do one on Grant?
Fuller’s conclusion is that Grant was THE genius of the Civil War, that on the Grand Strategic level no one could touch him.
O’Brain: This one?
Want a classical liberal curriculum?
Balance Academics, music/art and sports. Good books, learn to read music and play at least one instrument (start about 3rd grade), at least one hour of athletics a day and must play at least one competitive sport. Art — drawing, drafting, painting, ceramics..whatever. Something hands-on and creative. Math. Latin or Greek.
Field trips to museums, symphonies. Speakers brought … retired vets, bank execs, building contractors, architects …
Balance it with some practical. Home ec and a shop class for everyone.
(there are times I’ve dreamed of starting my own school. I know what I’d want in it)
He discussed him in some detail in Strategy…. but more so on Sherman, yes. i think I was having a brain fart. Off to the commissary. Need to figure a better way to discuss this without taking up everyone else’s thread.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I have long thought of this as a syllabus, rather than a curriculum.
Syllabus in the small, curriculum in the large. The point remains.
It’s a scarecrow because I gave an example(s) where this has not happened (and will not, I’ll aver).
Arguing that a small number of counterexamples disprove a general rule is like arguing that Russian Roulette is safe because there are examples of people who played the game and survived.
I believe our difference lies primarily in that you think that the existing educational model can be reformed, while I think that model needs to go away. It’s been a necessary evil up until now, but that’s no longer the case.
Well, maybe what’s needed is to grasp that we are in no better position than our ancestors with regard to having a claim to final knowledge in all things or on all questions. That the very beauty of classical liberalism is to understand that it is an ongoing discussion without fixed and final answers which nevertheless seeks truth without despairing it hasn’t been summed yet, that it is predicated on reason and the possibility of reason among men, that cooperation and reciprocity are crucial to the enterprise, that the freedom to think and speak is at the core of cooperation…..these, among many other things, are needed aren’t they?
Carin, I think for the most part I agree with you, so I’ve not yet, nor would I delimit Great Books education to Colleges and Universities. However, some things want a certain experience in life before they’ll be fit for young minds (or parents acquiesence). “Pickalittle-Talkalittle” from the Music Man jumps up at me……….Dirty books! Chaucer! Rabelais! Balzac!
:-)
No.
This one
Jeff,
THis is beyond “progressive”. FDR was a progressive, yet he loved America and was willing to defend it and recognized the dangers of totalitarianism.
This is straight up Stalinist/Maoist. Which is why I suggested in one of your other threads that you should look into hooking up with David Horowitz of frontpagemag.com, who has led the way, along with Ron Radosh, in exposing these totalitarian tactics on Campuses since the 1980s.
And yes I am in for whatever help I can give.
“Also Starship Troopers “…
Wake me up for the part where Denise Richards is in a thong.
Wait…
That was a book?!?!?
Those fucking grad school reject, peirced, pony-tailed, hippies at Barnes & Noble recommend crap.
We are making this far too complicated.
We don’t need to be remotely universal in scope, we just need to look to our foundational documents (Declaration of Independence, US Consitution) and link the principles contained therein back to the appropriate sources and add in a decent understanding of the rhetorical devices wielded against them.
We are talking about an encyclical not an encyclopedia.
Feel free to make your own reading lists here. You’ll have to request access — no thors or Alinskyites allowed.
I’m not sure I’m calling for reform, SBP.
In fact, I’m pretty sure the very word “reform” gives me the willies. I’m asking that more schools like St. John’s be available, that people, parents and students, should be informed that there are such schools, perhaps that well meaning educators also be informed that there are such schools and that they think about the virtue of them, if not that they immediately run out and try to become tutors in them, dedicating their lives to a hopeless Socratic impulse. :-)
Darleen!
No peter
We just have to be willing to remake one of the parties into our image.
But isn’t that what we’ve been doing? Where has it gotten us? The Republican Party would be a great vehicle if the classical liberals were in charge and the church people were along for the ride, but as was pointed out to me in another thread, the church people outnumber the classical liberals (or at least are represented in numbers substantial enough that they get to have their way). I share your opinions of Palin and Jindal, but as it stands any future success will almost be in spite of the Republicans rather than because of them.
~peter
In case you don’t already know about it, Zotero is an awesome Firefox extension for constructing bibliographies and managing bibliographies. You can click an icon while you’re on a web page (works with Amazon book pages and most of the big library software vendors…also works with many online reference databases) and it automagically extracts the citation information. You can export the data in many different bibliographic styles.
If you’ve used EndNote before, it’s like that — only better and free.
… OR … just wait for the boomers to die off.
I have a very extensive library of colonial American and early American history. I mean, beyond huge. I should make better use of it.
Thomas Sowell needs to be a part of the syllabus. His works expose collectivism in the modern sense using recent examples and is very readable. Any books that speak to the primacy of the individual and liberty. The Federalist Papers is a great primary source.
Carin, I think for the most part I agree with you, so I’ve not yet, nor would I delimit Great Books education to Colleges and Universities. However, some things want a certain experience in life before they’ll be fit for young minds (or parents acquiesence). “Pickalittle-Talkalittle†from the Music Man jumps up at me……….Dirty books! Chaucer! R
Well, of course. But, from what I’ve seen – unless a kid is in an AP English class, High school reading is WAY to watered down. You can’t just start reading tough stuff if up until that point the most “challenging” book you’ve read (on your OWN) was “Catcher in the Rye.”
Jane Austen, dammit, before the art of writing disappears completely. And Shakespeare’s plays performed, although…sigh…
there are a couple “Romeo and Juliet’s” being performed here–one all-male, one all-female. Because that’s just so transgressive.
“The Federalist Papers is a great primary source.”…
Indeed they are. And Sowell is a Scholar, Gentleman and a Patriot of the first order.
Awesome that you mentioned him.
I’ve said it here before: Thomas Sowell should’ve been elected president twenty years ago.
I’d also reccomend Steven Pinker’s The Blank Slate. It’s a pop science book that examines what we know about human nature, and shoots down many of the assumptions at the root of modern liberal social science.
“I’ve said it here before: Thomas Sowell should’ve been elected president twenty years ago.”
Have you watched the live interviews with him over @ NRO?
Friggin incredible.
You can hear the ghosts of Jefferson and Adams clapping in the background.
S. Pinker’s 3-hr long appearance today on the C-Span 2 show “In Depth” will be repeated tonight at around eight Eastern, check your local listings.
peter
the church people really haven’t been the problem of the GOP. It’s the “Compassionate Conservatives” that have painted the small government, stand up for yourself, Republicans into Democrats-lite.
And CC’s are rarely (GW is exception) godbotherers.
I nominate Sowell’s Conflict of Visions, Knowledge and Decisions, and Marxism. if we have to lose one, lose Knowledge. It’s very worthwhile but can be a difficult read. Also, Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty is indispensable although it can get thick at times too. Not because any of the concepts are all that hard, but just because Hayek obviously thinks in German =8^]
#82
Me too.
I was just kidding about the paper mache. I don’t know shit about paper mache, let alone giant heads made from it.
A CC is a church Republican that compromises on freedom but not on the church agenda, exactly as you said.
N. O’Brain and SBP… Thank You!
My degree is in history, though I have never used it directly. Any studying I do now is for my own betterment. Of course, 13 years after graduation I wish that I had the knowledge and skill then that I have now…. hey there is a song in that….
And while we are at it… I wish that I had been given a chance to study with an adviser, not just a collector of credit hours. I gamed the system that way. Earned a degree without knowing anything well in by subject. BUT…. in defense of a good liberal arts degree, it did give me the “license” and skills to go out and learn more. Just couldn’t make a living at it. I learned more for life and education in my first two years of college in Roswell on the Slab than the next *cough* 3 *cough* in Albuquerque. But wearing a uniform and the specter of marching tours will do that.
The classic “whole person” liberal arts degree is still possible. It is still seen in some institutions and programs. It still should be. And more widely available. Indoctrination (as most degrees now tend to be) is a waste of our resources, time, future, and society.
Rich, are you still in N.M.? If so and should you be interested, there is a Graduate Program at St. John’s Sante Fe (actually, they’ve got one going at Annapolis as well I see).
A curriculum is a set of boundaries on education.
It’s impossible to expose a student to all infomration oa given subject, even to a compete cross section of that information. Yet the goal of providing a student with an education in a subjkect is still to be defined. Someone, somewhere sits down and designes what htey believe to be the essential infomration that a student, deemed to ahve been educated in that subject, must be exposed to as a minimum.
This includes, and is limited by, considerations of number of hours of instruction, self-study, and may allow for elective learning by the individual. It does not include evaluation. Curriculum is only concerened with exposure–not does that exposure stick in anyway.
A syllabus is a written description of the curriculum for a block of instruction, plus other information–most notably a description of how and when evaluation will take place and may include suggestions for further elective learning beyond the course, or electives required by it.
I favor returning to a Liberal Arts (as defined by the Greeks) model.
Grammar School is for the Trivium: Grammar, Logic, and Rhetoric.
Secondary School is for the Quadrivium: Arithmatic, Geometry, Astronomy, and Music.
The reason that students who do poorly in Geometry fail to achieve is that they have not been taught logic, and have no intuitive grasp of it. There’s little point in educating anyone in any subject if they are not yet able to communicate.
Euclid had always seemed to me a powerful argument for the use of original sources as well RTO. I don’t believe a euclidean geometry can be written (second, third or forth hand) to equal the clarity and beauty of the original. And so it is with the presentation of most other originating ideas.
RTO: Good point about logic. It was my experience and frustration with Trig et.al. because I could not see the logic. Still gets frustrating (and a big part of why I went fuzzy for my higher education). I believed in fact, at the time, that most maths were taught only to teach logic. Because most basic skills were now surpassed my machines… or math nerds.
Rusty – I’ve got the paper mache angle COVERED. Me and the kids will start working on our (racist, of course) oversized head of Baracky on Wednesday. If my prayers failed, of course.
RTO – there is a HUGE portion of homeschoolers that use that model. Myself included.
And, then there’s the unschoolers. I don’t like to associate with them. And, yes, I have known some.
What’s an unschooler?
count me in.
Somebody volunteer to put together the list of recommended books from this thread and send it to me. Maybe I can take passages from them and have a provocateurism series with them like I did with Jonah’s book.
For contemporary stuff, I’d include Christina Hoff Sommers and Paglia on feminism and the Thernstroms on race.
We should also concentrate on books that make up the “progressive” canon. Anybody have any suggestions there? We can work on picking them to pieces, one chapter at a time.
Nice idea, but there is a reason so many “progressives” in education are all for keeping non-English speakers not speaking English and English speakers barely literate. If they can’t read our foundational documents, they won’t be “infected” by their underlying ideas.
Before you put too much faith in homeschool, I recommend you read this.
Jeff, you are sunk–well, almost sunk. In case you’ve watched Disney (say The Suite Life of Zack and Cody or its successor) lately, multi-culturalism and diversity have been baked deep into the American cultural cake. If Obama wins on Tuesday, multi-culturalism will sink in even deeper although Obama himself is more of a “One America” kind of guy.
As a result, there’s only a couple of paths left open to you. You can follow the example of the color-blind racists who use quotes from MLK to attack black people and start using quotes from Obama to attack Obama-loving diversity types. Of course, you would have to ante-up by treating Obama like he’s the best thing since slice bread. But I’m sure you’d find the whole exercise very satisfying in your peculiar way.
The other thing you could do is follow your core insight and “take back . . . the proper description of interpretation and the proper locus of meaning, bolstered by the proper understanding of how intent governs meaning in all cases.”
That means you have to become an English professor. Get your Ph.D. if you don’t have one. Then get a teaching job and combat the evil of hermeneutic theory in the belly of the academic beast. You know what you have to do: “man up” and fight for what you believe in.
But it’s too late for me. Now that Christmas is almost here, I’m thinking of getting out one of our family’s black “Rocking Santa” figures and listening to “Rockin Around the Christmas Tree.” I just don’t get the idea that Santa Claus was originally intended to be white.
As always,
When is violent action called for?
Somebody volunteer to put together the list of recommended books from this thread and send it to me.
I set up a wiki for recommendations — so far no one but me has started a list, though.
If the others don’t want to make their own wiki pages, I’d be glad to collect them (giving proper credit, of course).
For the “progressive” end…
Marx, Engels, Gramsci, that whole crew
Dewey
Rousseau
Ayers
Freire
Sorry, that last post was by Jeff Y., not Jeff G.
Chrome doesn’t save my info for some reason.
I just don’t get the idea that Santa Claus was originally intended to be white.
Of course not, that would ruin your record of being completely wrong about everything.
Who says nobody is perfect?
In case you’ve watched Disney (say The Suite Life of Zack and Cody or its successor) lately
Hmm… last time I watched Disney I saw a lot of stuff about talking fish, gay genies, and anthropomorphic mice.
I, for one, welcome our new genetically-engineered overlords.
Oh Caric the Pretender has shown up. Auditioning to be court jester for King Barry the Good?
Remember Caric, your pallor still makes you a racist — there is not expatriation from that sin in King Barry’s court.
I’m sorry that those of us that actually believe the Constitution and its values will have to save your sorry melanin-challenged ass as we actually work to let America be America.
I just don’t get the idea that Santa Claus was originally intended to be white.
Well, in the interests of diversity then, we should be able to depict MLK as white.
Not a “church person”, but I think you’ve got it wrong. Lots of the “church people” are, in their attitudes, largely classically liberal. At least, in the “leave me alone, I leave you alone” sense, and the rule of law sense. And especially in the “just because it’s traditional doesn’t mean it’s small-minded” sense.
There are certainly some in the religious community who are more interested in ruling others lives than in live and let live, but I think much of the upset on the religious right is over the feeling that the left is actively working to suppress them.
The biggest problem with the Republican party is that so many of those at the national level have been there so long they’ve gotten used to the Democrats structured the game. How long did Democrats run Congress? So long as Republicans try to play the same game — rather than re-writing the game to favor smaller, less intrusive government — they’ll be failures in our eyes.
expiation,Darleen. Dammit. You’re making my level of mistakes.
Yeah, those folks who actually do their damnedest to judge people by their character rather than their skin color sure are evil.
Somehow, Caric, I get the feeling you’re the type who boosts a student’s grade a few points if their skin is darker than a certain shade. Gotta make up for that institutional racism, right?
sorry Rusty
I’ve been running a 102 temp most of the weekend and have fallen into Norm Crosby type malapropisms…. argh
Okay, I think I’ve collected everything that’s been mentioned so far.
I’ll go back and add proper links to Amazon (or other sources… as ThomasD mentioned, many of these are out of copyright and are available from Project Gutenberg or similar sites) as I get time. Or y’all could pitch in and help (hint).
Rob Crawford
To the anointed like Caric the Pretender, Race.Is.Everything. Refusal to judge people by their melanin level is not acceptable.
People must be properly catergorized and grouped. Individual rights, talents, character is as a pernicious illusion as “We hold these truths to be self-evident”.
Get with the program or face an Ayers’ reeducation camp.
Oh, and I’m sorry if I made any mistakes — in a couple of cases people just gave the author’s name, so I used the work by that author with which I’m most familiar (or at least have heard of :-)). Again, you can fix it yourself if it’s borked.
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Rob Crawford
To the anointed like Caric the Pretender, Race.Is.Everything. Refusal to judge people by their melanin level is not acceptable.”
Ah, a reactionary who wants to reduce everyone to the tribal level.
A truly primitive outlook.
I don’t even know what time it is but it sure is dark.
SBP, I just signed up, so I’ll work on the list.
Caric, shouldn’t you be contemplating on sending your father a Christmas card?
It is rather interesting that a supposed professor gets his impressions of American society from the Disney Channel.
Hey, Caric, there was never really a Hollywood Tower Hotel.
The list thus far (MLA format):
Abelson, Harold, Gerald Jay Sussman, and Julie Sussman. Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Second Edition. McGraw-Hill Science/Engineering/Math, 1996.
Austen, Jane. The Complete Novels of Jane Austen. Penguin Books, 1999.
BARZUN, JACQUES. TEACHER IN AMERICA. Liberty Fund Inc., 1981.
Clark, Kenneth. Civilisation. John Murray Publishers Ltd, 2005.
Copi, Irving M., and Carl Cohen. Introduction to Logic (13th Edition). Prentice Hall, 2008.
Coram, Robert. Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War. Little, Brown and Company, 2002.
Edwards, C. H., and David E. Penney. Elementary Linear Algebra. Prentice Hall, 1987.
Ellis, Robert, and Denny Gulick. Calculus. Custom Publishing, 2002.
Friedman, Milton, and Rose Friedman. Free to Choose: A Personal Statement. Harvest Books, 1990.
Fuller, J. F. C. The Conduct Of War, 1789-1961: A Study Of The Impact Of The French, Industrial, And Russian Revolutions On War And Its Conduct. Da Capo Press, 1992.
Giap, Vo Nguyen. People’s War People’s Army: The Viet Cong Insurrection Manual for Underdeveloped Countries. University Press of the Pacific, 2001.
Gill, Michael, and Peter Montagnon. Civilisation: The Complete Series. BBC Warner, 2006.
Graham, Ronald L., Donald E. Knuth, and Oren Patashnik. Concrete Mathematics: A Foundation for Computer Science. Addison-Wesley Professional, 1994.
Grant, S. Ulysses. Personal Memoirs of U. S. Grant, V1. IndyPublish, 2007.
Graves, Robert. I, Claudius : From the Autobiography of Tiberius Claudius, Born 10 B.C., Murdered and Deified A.D. 54. Vintage, 1989.
Halliday, David, Robert Resnick, and Jearl Walker. Fundamentals of Physics. Wiley, 2004.
Hammond, Grant T. The Mind of War: John Boyd and American Security. Smithsonian, 2004.
Hart, B. H. Liddell. Strategy: Second Revised Edition. Plume, 1991.
Hartt, Frederick. Art: The History Of Painting, Sculpture, Architecture. Not Avail, 1996.
Hayakawa, S. I., and S.I. Hayakawa. Language in Thought and Action: Fifth Edition. Harcourt, 1991.
Hayek, F. A. The Constitution of Liberty. University Of Chicago Press, 1978.
Heinlein, Robert A. Starship Troopers. Ace, 1987.
—. The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. Orb Books, 1997.
Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan. W. W. Norton & Company, 1996.
Hoff-Sommers, Christina. Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women. Simon & Schuster, 1995.
Hoffer, Eric. The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements. Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 2002.
Korzybski, Alfred. Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics. Institute of General Semantics, 1995.
Laffer, Arthur B., Stephen Moore, and Peter Tanous. The End of Prosperity: How Higher Taxes Will Doom the Economy–If We Let It Happen. Threshold Editions, 2008.
Lawrence, T.E. Seven Pillars of Wisdom: A Triumph. Anchor, 1991.
Lide, David R. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 89th Edition. CRC, 2008.
Long, Hamilton Abert. “The American Ideal of 1776.†3 Nov 2008 .
Macaulay, David. The New Way Things Work. Houghton Mifflin/Walter Lorraine Books, 1998.
Malory, Sir Thomas. Le Morte D’Arthur: King Arthur and the Legends of the Round Table. Signet Classics, 2001.
Mill, John Stuart, and Geraint Williams. Utilitarianism, on Liberty (Everyman’s Library. Everyman Paperbacks, 1993.
Oberg et al. Machinery’s Handbook Toolbox Edition. Industrial Press, 2008.
Orwell, George. 1984. New American Library, 1961.
Osinga, Frans. Science, Strategy and War: The Strategic Theory of John Boyd. Routledge, 2006.
Paglia, Camille. Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson. Vintage Books, 1991.
Paine, Thomas. Common Sense, The Rights of Man and Other Essential Writings of Thomas Paine. Signet Classics, 2003.
Pinker, Steven. The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature. Penguin (Non-Classics), 2003.
“Senator Stealth by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online.†3 Nov 2008 .
Shakespeare, William. William Shakespeare Complete Works. Modern Library, 2007.
Sommers, Christina Hoff. The WAR AGAINST BOYS: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men. Simon & Schuster, 2001.
Sowell, Thomas. A Conflict of Visions: Idealogical Origins of Political Struggles. Basic Books, 2007.
—. A Conflict of Visions: Idealogical Origins of Political Struggles. Basic Books, 2007.
—. Knowledge And Decisions. Basic Books, 1996.
—. Marxism: Philosophy and Economics. Quill, 1986.
Thernstrom, Abigail, and Stephan Thernstrom. No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning. Simon & Schuster, 2004.
Thucydides. The History of the Peloponnesian War: Revised Edition. Penguin Classics, 1954.
Twain, Mark. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. CreateSpace, 2008.
Tzu, Sun. The Art of War. CreateSpace, 2008.
Zill, Dennis G. A First Course in Differential Equations: The Classic Fifth Edition. Brooks Cole, 2000.
The Leningrad Division of the State Press wishes to announce: Books on all branches of knowledge!
I think I’ve got everybody hyperlinked up to Amazon editions on the wiki. We can work on linking to free editions where they are available.
Did I mention that Zotero kicks fucking ass? Well, it does.
Hmm… not sure why the Barzun book came out in all caps. Pretend that didn’t happen. :-)
Don’t forget Celine. Too many illiterate fucks need a bold reminder of the universality of the human rot. Then again you enough books that you’ll never-ever fuckin’ read on your list already. Hahahaha! You think anyone believes you read, sPies? Please.
Fuck Santa Claus, piece of Socialist shit!
Jeff, it isn’t Joe Biden’s Delaware anymore than it’s your Colorado when discussing Ward Churchill. And no, outside of correcting the obvious misplaced meta-narrative at UD, I don’t support your games of tangentiality. Group agreements of intentionalism go against the individuality of my decoding. I shall shape my views as I see fit using any interpretive method I want and no bitter pleas will ever change that. Free will, bitch.
Truth to it!
That reminds me at breakfast I was thinking about this post Mr. Reynolds did about whether or not Baracky had said I will change the world. That was one of the Will.I.Am lyrics that started Baracky’s marketing campaign. We can change the world the hoochie sang. I thought Mr. Reynolds’ take on it was a bit anal really. Here.
oh. Wrong thread. This is the fuck Santa thread. My bad.
Thor, you can shove your trendoid Nazi collaborator writer-of-the-month right up your ass.
And, yes, I’ve read every book on my list (other than the reference works — but I’ve made heavy use of all of those).
Return to The Finland Station, Edmund Wilson!
#116 Santa Claus wasn’t “intended” to be white, he just is. Santa, in this country, is a version of the Northern European St. Nick, Father Christmas figure brought here by the Dutch, English, and German cultures, popularized by the night before Christmas poem, and probably by the Santa in the old Coca-Cola ads. Making Santa black for the sake of diversity makes as much sense as depicting Paul Bunyan or John Henry as Asians.
Return to The Finland Station, Edmund Wilson!
Blow me thor, by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates.
My Side of the Mountain* and The Story of Ferdinand<a href=”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Ferdinand”
That’s my list. People just want to be left alone I think.
You might want to check out this link on The Great Books or this link on The Great Books Foundation which build upon the Western Civilization canon originally put forth by Robert M. Hutchins, Mortimer J. Adler, and Mark Van Doren.
I still have the set published by the Encyclopedia Brittanica my parents bought for me as a child.
I knew I messed that up.
Leave off the Return.
Santa a socialist?
I missed the part where he pulled armed stickups on working folk in order to bribe the non-workers and enrich the rulers.
SBP
Rise and Fall of the Third Reich William Shirer
Schindler’s List Spielberg
Got it, Darleen.
I have some bad news for you, Darleen, Socialists are no more what you describe than Capitalists, by definition, are evil. Yours is a clueless head full of seething bigotry and hate. An American Idiot, always pitting one against another, that simplified good/bad binary lens of the isolated simpleton.
Few here give a fuck to read anything outside of what reinforces what they think they know – Post-modern warning! – and that’s a shame, because the world isn’t your gift shop of backwater idealism.
Part of Our Times, by Murray Kempton, should be of interest to the faux-intellectuality here. Then again, perspective isn’t the game for dribblers.
Got it, ‘feets.
Charles, that looks like a useful resource, for sure.
I am starting to wonder if thor has Andrew Sullivan’s disease.
Socialism is collectivism, anathema of property and individual rights.
It IS a stickup. Now you can declare such stickups “legal”, but it will never make them moral in a country where “We hold these truths to be self-evident” is the essential, abiding value.
Surely the Flying Duuuuuuuuuh Squadron Santas think theirs a quality list of books they might-should someday’a read!
Put on some pumpkin pie-sized headphones on and listen to some Bob Marley. Transcendental observers never reach consensus, except in that a shared bong should meet eachs needs.
I can’t put up a list now, SPB. But did someone put up Albion’s Seed already?
Someone mentioned my dad. Times change and all of my old enemies have become new BFF’s now that I feel the weight of Obama’s reconciling “One America” ideas. I’m even thinking of sending Jeff G. a copy of the “Blue Book of Obama Quotes” which I hope will be in store for the “holiday season.” Needless to say, I’ll try to get Obama to write out what he intended by each quote so Jeff can see the “real meaning.” The evil of non-intentional interpretation should be resisted by any means necessary.
Music is about emotion, not facts or reason.
Who gives a rat’s ass about “transcendental observers”? Those types are looking at the insides of their own eyelids and trying to pass off their opium dreams as some eternal verity. I, for one, live in the real world. The consensus reality in which gravity attracts proportional to the masses of two objects and inversely proportional to the square of their distance. The one in which socialism fails — every time — and more than likely turns into a mass murder party.
And you claim the rest of us don’t read anything except what reinforces our views? You’ve admitted you won’t understand anything except in ways that reinforce your bigotries. You’ve admitted that you don’t give a rat’s ass what someone means, that you’ll interpret their words however the hell you want.
You’re dishonest. A thug. A coward so unwilling to confront ideas contrary to your beliefs that you’ll simply re-write their utterance so as to avoid them.
It’s there now, SarahW.
Oh, and Caric’s still around?
He’s a coward, too. Look at his phrase “color-blind racists” — he’s so unwilling to stop judging people by the color of their skin that he’s had to convince himself that to do so is, itself, racism.
I wonder if that’s because he secretly believes in racial superiority, or if it’s because he realizes its usefulness as a rhetorical weapon?
Darleen, how was the bailout not socialist? Isn’t the Republican Party, under the current corrupt RNC, a socialist movement distinguished only by the ends to which they want to exercise collective power over the people?
I’m not defending the Democrats. I’m not saying they are better. I am saying it’s a difference of degree, not of kind.
We desperately need a difference of kind, to preserve individual liberty.
No, not so much. Unless you get off on lying to yourself so as to inflate your wingered wounded ego.
You’re weak and needy, as I read you, psychologically speaking. Use any public roads, public schools, public hospitals? Yeah, so much for your individualism placebos. You need to go live on Darleen’s Island to relieve yourself of your base hypocrisy, you Socialist-in-denial.
With the curiosity of an uninvolved gaze I see your little collective book list as a Socialistic exercise within a dunce circle as it tries to map its perceptions.
You’re weak and needy, as I read you, psychologically speaking.
Pretty sure that Darleen pays her own bills and doesn’t need to take advantage of destitute teenagers to make her feel important, thor.
Actually many roads are de facto private toll roads. Singapore does just fine with all roads as toll roads. Use of public schools and public hospitals are mandated by the state. Literacy rates were much higher before government schools. Government price controls have devastated medical care consumers.
There’s better examples for you to use. Those were really bad examples for your side of the argument.
The Democrats have been pro-capitalism because they’ve wanted to save the capitalist system from spinning out of control. To the contrary, the economic warriors of the Republican Party are all secretly members of the Communist Party who have decided to destroy capitalism through deregulation. And the plot’s working out brilliantly. The American government now has control over 85% of home mortages, the biggest insurance company in the country, and eight of the biggest banks. If we want to be free men (and women) in Milton Friedman’s sense, we all need to take our money out of the financial system and stick it under a feather mattress. Otherwise, we’ll lose it all.
Moreover, we need to be militant about the plans of the Bush administration to take over the automobile industry before it leaves office. I also have exclusive information that the Government’s next target will be soft drinks. Pretty soon, the Communist Republicans will commemorate Tiny Tim by turning Coca-Cola into Tiptola-Cola.
Mr. Caric, you’re neither swift nor Swift.
Jeff, you are sunk–well, almost sunk.
Caric: now with half the sneering!
I have to say that even though thor continues to show what a slimy, unpleasant fellow he is, he’s at least making some effort to engage on this thread. So, props.
thor’s attempt to use the “public road” dishonest attack is something I’ve mentioned before. It isn’t a good faith attempt at debate on what is/is not the proper function of a government convened for the provision of defense and the promotion of general welfare; it is an attempt to shut down debate.
It is along the line of Caric the Pretenders “Obama’s reconciling “One America— mendacity. It is chilling because Obama has already made it clear that his idea of “One America” is everyone in total agreement with Him. Or Else.
Obama’s
schutzstaffelCivilian National Defense corps will certainly be in the forefront of “reconciliation.”One People
One Nation
One Leader
Jeff Y
It was government policies that created the subprime debacle…and while I certainly alarmed at many of the aspects of the “bail out” at the same time having the government step in temporarily to guarantee liquidity to keep the market from fully melting down seems prudent.
I would want the government to divest itself of any private property holding ASAP.
I would have rather the “bail out” been in the form of insurance. I would rather have let some lenders fail and I would NOT stop any foreclosures.
And I would have Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Franklin Raines under a special prosecutor immediately.
Here is another Obama supporter showing what “reconciliation” means to him. KGO’s radio hack Karel screaming obscenities and wishing Joe the Plumber dead.
Still a piker next to Ayers..who wants to eliminate millions of dissenters to the One America.
Yes, she almost pays her bills as well as the “destitute teenager” whom you opted out of ignorance to describe, because you are a low-wattage carnival barker, as is Darleen.
As I already implied, you’re a bunch of disco Johnnies whose platform shoes are made of self-aggrandizement.
Isn’t most of the fun of Protein Wisdom that it’s all sneering all the time? I’m much nicer on my own blog–usually anyway.
Darleen and everybody on the right should really ask William Ayres to send them royalty checks on his next book. Given that you all have accomplished the modern miracle of making Ayres relevant, his next book will probably sell better than all his previous books combined.
You guys should really get a cut.
And then you could all prove once and for all that Ayres really did write Obama’s first book.
It’s “Ayers”, Caricature.
I see your scholarship is first-rate, as always.
Darleen, a full market “meltdown” was precisely what was needed. It’s foolish to think that government intervention will fix government intervention. The government has only created more incentives for large companies to bilk taxpayers.
That coveted “liquidity” was stolen from innocent bystanders. Fuck that. If that’s what Republicans think a free market is all about, then I’m against Republicans. If it’s me against your 401k, fuck you. You want your’s, so I want mine.
Of course, there’s nothing free-market about any of this stuff.
I wonder how that individual interpretation works out when reading say operating instruction manuals, repair manuals, or even Google search results. Maybe it’s the “I’m feeling lucky” button of life.
No shit. Jeff Y, no shit. Goodbye Redumblicans, come back again when you grow up, or after you actually practice what you preach, ya fuckin’ clueless marketeers.
JeffY
Cool. So the government policies that forced banks to give loans to people who shouldn’t have had em should fail…and the businesses, small and medium, that depend on banks to meet their payrolls, buy inventory should fail … and workers for those small and medium businesses, who service their mortgages and have enough disposible income to take in movie and go out to eat a few times a week should fail … and the restaurants, car dealerships, grocery stores should fail…
JeffY…do you have any relatives that lived during the Great Depression? How many innocent people do you think be punished for Barney Frank’s hubris?
thor
didn’t UPS ship you your new inflatable Olga doll yet?
Caric the Pretender is giddy that under an O! regime, his faux “womyn’s studies” program can continue..so he can browbeat and brainwash young females into hating themselves and all things female
TO DEFEAT THE PATRIARCHY!!!
Did UPS ship you your 12-inch black mambo Obama vibrator yet?
Any other questions, airhead? I’ve got a few that pertain to your daughter.
thor
I have four daughters…and I’ll rip whatever tiny gonads you have and stuff ’em down your throat you stay anything about them.
you typical reprobate goosestepping Obamabot
stay = say
One of the problems we have though, Darleen, is that your “fail” posits are only that, posits. We aren’t in a position to know what would have happened had some other course of action been taken. Nor, indeed, do we actually know what businesses will fail in the near future (thinking here of the so-called “zombie banks”, which seem to be alive now but actually aren’t due to hidden insolvency.) The uncertainties surrounding and permeating this financial crisis are likely not a great deal less than those faced by the economic actors of the 1930’s. And it remains distinctly possible that with the Treasury and Fed’s rescue efforts they are merely trading probable near term losses for uncertain/unknown longer term losses. It is all very hard to know.
I see. The government forced banks onto a business model. The banks couldn’t have stayed out of consumer lending altogether. Bull. The banks could have simply gotten out of consumer lending. The government can’t force you into a business model. If it was bad business, then they shouldn’t have done the business at all.
Businesses abandon over-regulated markets all the time. Why are we stealing from people to “fix” this one?
As for the Great Depression, most if not all free-market economists think that government intervention to “fix” previous interventions lengthened the Great Depression by at least eight years. But thanks for making my point. So-called “conservatives” now hold up FDR as the economic model for free markets. Holy shit. I never thought I’d live to see that.
Thor, Darleen’s daughter saves people’s lives. That’s cool. Very cool.
Being dumb is lots worse than being a troll.
Dear cowardly slut, I’ll be fingering everyone of your daughters and wiping the smeg all over PW if and when you inject my wife into your ingnorant hate spew.
Moreover your insults are an insult to decent insults. Mine won’t be. Try it and find out.
You’re married to a inflatable doll?
who knew?
fuck off, thor, my daughters would scrape you off the bottom of their shoes for the dogshit you are.
JeffY
HERBERT HOOVER raised taxes and went into protectionist mode…that further crashed the market.
and I’m no great fan of FDR, he did indeed lengthen the Depression.
Are you saying banks would made mortgages should have just shut down rather than let Obama sue ’em into lending to less credit worthy???
come on JeffY, what ARE you talking about?
Tell me, if banks stopped lending, how do small-medium businesses stay open? Really.
JeffY
I don’t disagree that there have been Republican admins that have gotten away from free-market tenets… Nixon’s wage and price controls were just as bad as FDR’s were (NIRA).
At the same time, why wouldn’t you think that Barney Frank, et al, looked at destroying private finance for their own reasons … and why should we then let it?
Maybe your daughters have unicorn shit on the bottom of their knee-pads but I’d be pretty surprised if they actually wore shoes.
Redumblicans can’t even figure out they themselves have to pay for their own budget deficits.
Oh, Barney Frank is a bastard. No doubt. Hoover’s policies sucked, too. So what? I don’t get your point here.
As for banks not lending to businesses, that’s not what caused the crisis. It was consumer lending. Banks have lots of other lending markets besides consumer loans. And yes, if capital can be better used by not lending, then banks shouldn’t lend. They should take their capital into other markets. That’s called Capitalism, Darleen. Businesses do it every day.
So in answer to your dramatic query, “ome on JeffY, what ARE you talking about?”
I’m talking about basic stuff business people do every single day, if they aren’t sucking at Socialist tit. If I wanted to be an investor in your 401k, I’d have signed up my self. No offense.
It is by no means certain that they have or (but probably) will. There is an ongoing argument on this question between co-bloggers (and economics professors) Alex Tabarrok and Tyler Cowan at Marginal Revolution. Scroll through the October archive here for the beginning (“The Myths” 10/22) and middle bits (onward from 10/22, natch) of this controversy. Other economists have been back and forthing on this question as well, spurred by the extent to which they trust or do not trust a study[warning: link is to a .pdf] published by the Minneapolis Fed.
As for banks not lending to businesses, that’s not what caused the crisis.
I didn’t say it did. But the crisis effected business lending.
JeffY…you’re the owner of a medium size business…say small manufacturing, 230 employees, $22 million in gross sales. You run a tight, lean ship, but you have an open line of credit at your bank because you might be short of cash now and again while between buying supplies and collecting on your accounts receivable.
You go to tap that credit to meet payroll this week .. you’ll pay it off in two weeks as your AR payments come in…and find your line of credit canceled. Gone. Not there.
What are you going to do?
Thanks Sdferr. Darleen’s argument wrankles. This the logical analog of people who live in depressed communities and expect the government (aka everyone else) to pay their fucking way because they don’t want to move.
Lots, and lots of businesses shift capital to more profitable, less risky, less regulated markets. This is a staple of business life. Banks aren’t squatters is a backwater town with no prospects. There’s a hot market for capital.
The banks chose to enter this market in the hopes of lucrative returns with the usually attendant risk. Their risk; their investor’s loss.
Sdferr
The example I just gave JeffY is no theory or hypothetical. A great many small and medium businesses found for a short time they were unable to access their business-lines-of-credit. Period.
“A tight lean ship” means you keep no current assets? Don’t think so.
Quit talking in rotating Redumblican memes.
JeffY
So a bank that has made mortgages its main business for, say 50 years, when faced with Obama and ACORN should have just sold off its assets and gone into business lending?
I’m going to rue the day that I built my business model with a bank involved in risky loans. I’m going to kick myself for not taking the prudent care to know how my bank managed it’s money. I’m going to re-think whether a just in time cash flow model is right for me.
And, I’m going tell my workers to go home, because I was a bad business manager. Seems pretty obvious to me. OF course, I’m assuming I have integrity. Presumably your hypothetical allows for that. Actual government policy doesn’t, though.
thor is unaware that small and medium businesses do not keep large liquid cash reserves … especially s-corps because it is taxation suicide.
“Just in time” is a phrase thor only knows in the bathroom.
Yes. Businesses do it all the time. Jeeesh. It’s called capital restructuring. There’s classes in it, even.
Yep. Applies to inventory, too.
JeffY
If I’m making my payments on my credit line, the closure of that line doesn’t make me a bad manager. I’ve upheld my part of the contract.
Not a “church personâ€Â, but I think you’ve got it wrong. Lots of the “church people†are, in their attitudes, largely classically liberal. At least, in the “leave me alone, I leave you alone†sense, and the rule of law sense. And especially in the “just because it’s traditional doesn’t mean it’s small-minded†sense.
I completely agree with you. I’m sure that there are plenty of church people who would stand for freedom first if given the chance. I’m sort of a self-styled gnostic christian myself, but I understand that the separation of church and state is the only way to protect religion. But I also understand that the problem isn’t religion, it’s the fact that the state has crept into virtually every aspect of our daily lives so maintaining a wall of separation is nearly impossible.
As far as the Republicans go, I’m 43 and I’ve been waiting for the Republicans to get a clue since Reagan. I’m tired of waiting. If the sons and daughters of liberty aren’t allowed to lead the Republican Party, then they need to form a party of their own which they can lead. Freedom needs a full-time advocate.
yours/
peter.
Darleen, you’ve already proven you’re an ignorant know-nothing when it comes to subprime mortgages. And your exemplary ignorance is just one of the many reasons your Redumblican party is getting its spine cracked.
Bang! Down goes Libby Dole.
JeffY
Yes, I know about “capital restructuring”, but how PRACTICAL would that have been in the face of ACORN? Really?
thor
and you have proven time and again you have no clue on reality,
someone needs to 5150 you
Sure it does. You can right out of business fulfilling all your contracts. It’s necessary but far from sufficient. You’ve made credit into some kind of right. I mean, re-read what you’ve written.
First, we’re talking about getting new contracts not operating your old ones. Second, the most fundamental responsibility of a business manager is to adapt the concern to changing conditions. This has to do with risk and capital efficiency.
In the example I gave, you failed to properly estimate risk, and you improperly allocated your capital. You took gains from a risky just in time financing model, but that the risk part of the equation comes into play, you want to go shake down people on the street to keep your business going. Fuck that.
There’s a huge market for capital. Huge. It’s very practical.
you want to go shake down people on the street to keep your business going. Fuck that.
The government eithers sucks up my inventory or cash via confiscatory taxation or I operate “just in time”… I make my bills, I pay my employees
but fuck my employees when Barney Frank decides treat Fannie and Freddie as his own personal playground?
again, how many INNOCENT people do you want to punish while letting Frank and the Dems off the hook?
We cutback on our inventory long before our unused credit line was reduced. Then again, my reality is actually running a business and not pointing fingers and name-calling.
I read someone say that the intelligentsia within the Republican party has disavowed and is leaving the party. I couldn’t agree more. What’s left of the Repubs looks to be slackers, bigots and fools.
Darleen’s not ignorant. She’s one of the most informed of the people I read. Jeeesh, man. Give it a rest.
The Republican Party is taking a beating because they have cone back on everything they stood for for the last thirty years. They aren’t for free markets. They aren’t for smaller government. They aren’t for less corruption. They aren’t for restricting illegal immigration.
They have become indistinguishable from liberal Democrats. Republicans can’t out liberal the liberals. That’s why they will lose in Congress big time. I’m still not sure O! will win. I hope not.
and believe me, JeffY, Frank and company are not only NOT going to pay any consequences for their roles in the subprime debacle … they are just going start putting the screws on small and medium businesses for the SIN of being running dog capitalists
see the 2nd highest business taxes in the world go to #1
False dichotomy. Put your capital in a market without that trade-off. There’s plenty. You don’t have a right to a business model. Crike.
Then again, my reality is actually running a business
liar
I know you’re right. Unbelievable. These assholes are untouchable.
More talking point memes. I hear enough stupidity directly from the welfare-sucking Repubs, Darleen, so I don’t think anyone needs your parroted versions.
Put your capital in a market without that trade-off.
Close down my manufacturing business, fire the employees and invest in something else?
Do you advise the same for the florist down the street? How about the auto-repair shop? The dry-cleaners? the coffee shop?
Darleen, yep. That’s what textiles and steel have had to do in this country. Why not the florists? What makes them so special?
Yeah, our blubbering bimbo can’t actually imagine someone really, really running a business instead of talking about Joe-the-plumber. Yes, Darleen, I’m in business!
Understand JeffY a lot of people go into their own business because it is what they want to do. They take a risk, open a store, hire a few people. Modest but that model, over and over again, creates massive amounts of employment.
Business should not be Calvin Ball. I’m not saying anyone should be shielded from failure … but they shouldn’t be squished when they ARE playing by the rules.
thor, you lie. The closest you’ve gotten to run a business is probably something on Sim-life or whatnot.
Go play now, boy.
JeffY
Did the government artificially cause the failure of the steel industry?
“Squished!”
You’ll pay four percent more, the same rate as in the 90’s, when you’re profitable enough to do so.
You’re so Redumblican, Darleen. You should at least try and make sense when you lie and squeal.
OK. Time to go to sleep. Darleen is going to try and talk about the woes of the steel industry. Her type of dumb risks nightmares.
But the rules are up for business judgment, too. Prudent business managers have to look at the regulatory environment. Failure to anticipate regulatory risk it simply bad business management.
But instead of going to the local watering hole, telling a sad tale of just in time financing, and getting your beers bought by your friends — instead of that, the socialist florist goes in with a big guy wearing a badge and shakes down his neighbors — just to subsidize bad business judgment. Fuck that.
I guess, we need a new rule: people gotta’ live with their own fucking decisions. It seems to be a requirement of individual economic liberty.
This is a narrative. It is not the only narrative. It is nothing close to the certainty its originators would have us believe it to be. Though that is not to say those first tellers of this tale told it with malice aforethought. Far from that, it may merely have been the best they could do given the facts they knew and the theories they were in possession of. The problem is that the facts they may need to know may not be available to them now. Or the theoretical structure they need to depend on hasn’t be thought of yet. It may yet prove to be a false and misleading story. At a guess years, perhaps decades, will pass before the whole story is well and truly written and the totality of this calamity is understood.
Well, I don’t think the steel industry failed. The companies went into other markets and micro-mills are doing quite well in America.
I’m just using examples of how companies restructure capital all the time in response to regulatory changes. Steel companies built a business model on protectionist regulations at the national level. When those regulation schanged, they exited the market. Banks could have done the same thing.
I’m off to bed, folks. Good night!
Darleen, I hope you feel better tomorrow. Take care.
I’ll be off to bed too. G’night.
The advent of the credit card and the ushering in of large franchises combined with the banking mergers of the last 20 years seems to me to be the root of the current crisis. Once the personal becomes impersonal, all ethics and social constructs on which business should derive are out the window.
Further proof you haven’t a clue. S-corps have a advantage or disadvantage based on differences in personal income tax rates versus corporate rates.
“Just in time” inventory management, as its referred to in case studies, is an application essential to large corporations or large manufacturers, unless you’re just stuttering on about basic common sense inventory management, which isn’t the same thing as the large scale supply chain management issues normally associated with “just in time” inventory management that they write about in textbooks. Get a frekin’ grip, lady, Honda ain’t a small nor medium-sized business, yet that’s where there’s the large scale cost savings from inventory management so it becomes a major focus of management.
We keep more cash in the bank than the limits of our two lines of credit combined. Nothing like using one’s own personal money to motivate one to make smart inventory purchases. Floating a small company on debt, yeah, sure, that’s a genius idea, Redumblican. Needing a credit line to meet payroll! Stop me from laughing! Yeah, one foot in bankruptcy, that’s “lean” alright, also totally Redumblican.
“Otherwise, I fear we are sunk”
You’re sunk. Ayers advocates mass extermination. Wright, somewhat like Ayers, blames whites and Jews. Obama is their creation, by his own admission. What Obama’s supporters seek is not “change” or “hope,” but the power to strike at their enemies without being hit back. With control of the federal legislature and a packed judiciary, expect the violence against dissenters from to rise from verbal intimidation to interrogations and beatings to imprisonment and death. There are plenty of precedents for it: Obama need only combine Jackson with Roosevelt to get mass deportations and internment camps.
tehag
#127
At least you have an excuse. I on the other hand…………………
Poor thor. Forever compensating for what he never had.
Floating a small company on debt, yeah, sure, that’s a genius idea, Redumblican. Needing a credit line to meet payroll! Stop me from laughing!
More brilliance from thor, the mail order retail king. Try running a service business, construction, etc., that only gets paid periodically that. If only people who have enough reserves to pay their employees and related expenses out of pocket for months at a time between draws are allowed to exist then yes, Einstein, it is going to put a lot of small, Joe the Plumber type small entrepeneurs out of business. Daddy probably didn’t bother to tell you this since he left you such a comfy security blanket.
Unschooling – from way up there – is when you don’t actually have a PLAN for what you’re going to teach your kids. They’re supposed to learn by following their interests.
And, yes, many parents do send their kids to high school. I wouldn’t say most – at least not most of the homeschoolers I know. Usually they start sending their kids to community college to start taking a few courses around the age of 16 or 17.
Regardless, many parents feel that they’ve given their kids a good-enough foundation to send them to PS for high school. Perhaps their child was a poor reader? Maybe their child was REALLY immature. Kids with “issues” are the perfect ones to homeschool, since they are often the ones who end up in various sorts of trouble in school, either academically or behaviorally.
Regardless – homeschooling is extremely popular for parents with young kids. I’ve known people who did it at the drop of the hat, and I kind of had an inkling they wouldn’t last. Those that stick it out are the REALLY determined ones.
Poor BMoe, forever the liar and exaggerator. The tax rate on the highest bracket is going back up to where it was, and that’s going to put so many out of business.
What a fuckin’ load.
That’s why the Republicans have to go. They are left with nothing but illogical, stupid insults and lies. Nothing else but.
The funniest thing is most people see right through your Redumblican bullshit. You don’t even know what you’re talking about before you start lying. Obama didn’t graduate from Columbia! Barney Frank caused FNMA to collapse! A 4% tax increase on the highest bracket will cost many jobs!
Fuckin’ lies, laughable, silly lies.
Poor BMoe, forever the liar and exaggerator. The tax rate on the highest bracket is going back up to where it was, and that’s going to put so many out of business.
I didn’t say anything about taxes, I am talking about businesses that need short term credit lines to meet payroll, which is what you were ridiculing. I am sorry I can’t post in French verse for you, you will have to try to translate my English.
I don’t see it. Not one business person I know is lacking for a line of credit. Not one has discovered they can’t meet payroll and … they can’t pay their Shamwow sales people because they lack a line of credit.
Not effen one.
But what the consumer needs is available access to debt financing, and employers need access to credit to pay their employees, and the Redumblican government needs to raise the debt ceiling so they can be spend more than the the government’s tax revenue because that’s the heart of Redumblican economics.
What we need now is to lower taxes and increase our national debt with another war or two… Duuuuh, Wedumblican!
Businesses don’t pay taxes, they collect them – Reagan.
JeffY
It is all well and good you think a florist is a socialist for wondering why her line of credit, based on her AR is canceled when she has played by the rules…if it makes you feel better to say “too bad cookie” to her, then that’s your right.
But you aren’t dealing with the reality of small businesses.
One of my old friends is a Greek immigrant who came here with next to nothing and modestly owns five small restaurants. Do you think he would be a bad manager for trusting the federally insured bank to give him his business loans, then line of credit? Would he be a bad manager because he doesn’t spend thousands of dollars on “experts” to vet the economy and his bank’s lending practices … rather than growing his business, paying his employees, paying his bills?
thor is still blathering Sim-life, I’m talking about the reality of small to medium businesses that, if they are wiped out or crippled, WILL mean the fast road to socialism. Because Big Business, in bed with Pelosi, et al, will have power over the market they would never had had without Government screwing liquidity.
b moe
didn’t you know, thor is the magic business man … someone Who Laughs At Markets and Bankers, has no need of tax accountants… HE IS ALL!!! eleventy!!!
delusional schmuck
I don’t see it. Not one business person I know is lacking for a line of credit. Not one has discovered they can’t meet payroll and …
I suppose if the all-knowing and all-seeing thor hasn’t met one, they don’t exist.
I don’t think there’s any need for a complete curriculum in classical liberalism, nor do I think if any were on offer that people would go for it an any significant way. Sorry.
What folks might think of instead, if they really mean it and are willing to work at it [as opposed to just talking shit] is maybe to offer a single, credit-worthy, low-cost or even free course, sponsored through a reputable institution such as a college or perhaps AEI and the like.
It could just be a crash course, with The Black Book of Communism being [maybe] the first brain-scrubber. Perhaps the course would be a comparison of radical political philosophies so you could present Classical Liberalism as a part of that tradition within the historical corpus, but that needn’t be the only way to approach it. It could fall under lit, poli sci, or economics, maybe other fields.
A lot of folks now are doing online degrees, or working on getting alternative credit sources to go with their traditional studies.
Why provide lines of credit to growing or new businesses? Businesses that may employe people and pay for their healthcare? Shit, it’s the government’s job to insure that everyone has a job and has healthcare. FUCK THE SMALL BUSINESSMAN.
Obama’s gonna that the “Right” to a job to the constitution. Aren’t there ROADS to be built somewhere? Yes We Can! And Green jobs. Don’t forget those.
JeffY
We have been debating small businesses here and I think I want to make myself clear. They are the ones I worry about because they have/were caught in the backwash of the subprime meltdown.
I don’t believe one dollar of any “bail out” should go to individual homeowners who can’t service their mortgage. Period. I don’t think that any bank that exceeded their debt to asset ratio on mortgages should be “given” money. Period. I don’t believe “stimulus” checks should be sent out to taxpayers from the government. Period.
I did NOT like the final “bail out” package. I leaned more to offering banks low cost, short term LOANS … no asset swaps, no mortgage buying, no bank buying, nada … just short term loans for liquidity.
thataddIn Darleen’s reality GI Joes are storming Nancy Pelosi’s doll house.
You don’t know anything about business, do ya Darleen. Capital One and First Equity never asked about our account receivables. It’s as if they don’t give a fuck as long as we pay on time. AR’s! Sure, everyone is entitled – it’s the law! – to have their AR’s financed by a bank line of credit.
Socialist Devastation! Greek restaurants all over town up in flames over lack of AR bank financing!
Working capital, what’s that?
oh. This on small business collective of Baracky voters I know here, they got their line of credit cut so one of the partners had to take out a home equity loan and put it in some account and now the company services the home equity loan so they have a more better line of credit. It’s in California so they is not very good with money here, these people, so I don’t know.
*one* small business collective … nevermind. Y’all sound grumpy anyway.
Working capital, what’s that?
thor gives away his whole hand, here, and belies the Progressive Democrat myth. If you don’t have deep enough pockets, keep your puny little proletariat ass where it belongs. The American Dream is for the already haves to dole out as they see fit, hands grubby from Bible and gun clenching don’t get no credit to try and pull themselves up, it is too crowded up here already.
Fuck you and your little socialist friends.
thor uses Capitol One in Sim-Life, fancy that. Bet he has to take vitamin D tabs daily seeing he never gets out of daddy’s basement.
B Moe
That’s why the vapors from Noonan and Chris Buckley over McCain/Palin were, really, understandable. McCain and Palin are just not one of them, the cultured, highbrow, cocktails at 6 dinner at 9 brandy at 11 crowd.
It’s such hard work to tell people how to live, to actually break bread with them?. Horrors, Jeeves!
Thor has a condo now. Him and his wife live there together. They’re at that place where everyone talks behind their backs with the informal pool on how long before she’s pregnant. I had to sit through a lot of that talk at breakfast yesterday. People should stop talking so much when I just want to eat my well, some sort of healthy latin-themed breakfast concoction.
Peggy Noonan is a slattern I think.
She talks all classy but everyone knows you can’t leave her alone on pool boy day.
>>Horrors, Jeeves!
For some reason I’m reminded of that scene in A Simple Plan where Billy Bob Thorton is mocking the mannerisms of Bill Paxton…
Meanwhile, Circuit City is closing 155 stores due to the liquidity problems that thor claims don’t exist.
Circuit City’s problems may well originate in Best Buy’s eating their lunch everyday of the week though, no?
Thor’s grasp of the economy comes from trading online while playing World of Warcraft.
Had to turn the hammer back on. It got too thick in here.
Circuit City has been on a downward spiral for a long time. I depresses me to go into my local one, since not many people are ever in there. Best Buy, on the other hand, still does good business. This isn’t to say that the credit crunch did not exacerbate the problem for CC, but it was perhaps one of the nails in the coffin.
Sign me up. Everything/anything from writing to rabble-rosuing.
I always hated Circuit City. I didn’t like the layout.
thor’s webporn business doesn’t have any liquidity problems?
Anecdote != established trend, but you shouldn’t need me telling you that.
Still, it’s awfully curious that CC should go down now.
Last I checked Cap One was still accepting applications from airheaded, hardluck borrowers just like you.
Maybe your Bush toads are coming home to roost!
Their Neweggs are coming home to roost!
CC’s been on a slide for over two years. If the recent bank mess had anything to do with it at all, it was just another nail in the coffin.
Or maybe…and this is just me aping our former resident troll JadeGold for a second, it was the stock market pricing in the inevitable financial crisis, a couple of years in advance.
/not serious
Constellation Energy Group said a credit line critical to shoring up its liquidity will be delayed and cut in size.
GLG Partners Inc. will stop investors from making withdrawals from its Market Neutral fund for six months and will tell investors looking to leave its Emerging Market fund they will not get a full return because some of the funds investments are too illiquid to sell.
VeraSun Energy announced late Friday that it has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The Sioux Falls, S.D.-based company, which is one of the nation’s leading ethanol producers, said it took the step to deal with a liquidity crisis that was impairing its ability to operate.
A merger between General Motors Corp. (GM) and Chrysler LLC, even if it includes financial support from the U.S. government, won’t likely solve the liquidity problems facing the auto makers and their financing units, Standard & Poor’s Ratings Service said Wednesday.
Axshuly, thor’s right on a few things. Wrong on many more and, as usual, wrong by default because he has neither the foresight nor functional use of what functional folks grasp as functional facts existing in a functional reality, but some things can’t change.
What thor’s right about, as far as I can see, is the small business credit line. Mine’s intact and new offers arrive daily. Don’t know of anybody who’s lost theirs due to an intrinsic change in operating standards at that level.
Which indirectly shoots poor thor in the foot: The problem, which is massive, lies at the top where a few trillion vanished essentially overnight…and where we added 20% to the debt in six months, thanks to the Democrat-Socialists and a weak Republican president. The inevitable trickle down is interwoven throughout the housing markets, but nobody disagrees about that.
But let’s get the chronology straight: Fundamental excess liquidity — the Fed’s fiat runup under Greenspan — produced excess bank lending capital which blew up housing. Before it a similar fundamental pushed up the tech bubble. IIRC, thor has only touched on the M3 in passing; he should offer a full analysis there first but as with his refusal to defend the O! phenomenon or even liberalism, he cannot and will not.
Where thor’s lack of vision meets demise is in his obvious BDR. Sorry, thor, Bush didn’t create fractional reserve or monetary policy. What he did was to placate an increasingly socialist mindset and Democrat congress and threw his veto pen aside, not that any Bush has ever believed much in true American sovereignty and small government.
Furthermore, had runaway fiat currency not existed markets would have balanced themselves — today they’re running into the positive feedback loops an unpayable debt naturally causes — you can’t pay debts by printing only more debts. This truth drives thor
battybattier, and he somehow leaves Wilson, FDR, Nixon and the growing nationalization of central banking solely on Dubya’s doorstep.Likewise the simple fact that indebtedness is eventually slavery, the hidden instinct that even this election cycle’s rabid socialist wannebees find makes them so uncomfortable? Why do radical democrats act out? Because down deep it’s all about the envy, intolerance, hatred, and self-loathing. How else would you justify your own worst interest?
But in liberal madworld, it’s all Reaganonomic, dontchaknow, except for the part that shows inflating money supplies, national debt, and vast entitlement spending and central government’s massively increasing ownership over the last forty years, none of which are conservative values.
No matter how many times he’s told, thor misses classical liberalism for the neocon trees. There’s all one and the same to BDR boy. BOOSH!
Ha.
Or we could, y’know, wait for them after class and kick the shit outta them on the playground…
…so, speaking of pricing in, our buddy JadeGold used to insist that the stock market tanked in advance of, and therefore in anticipation of, a Bush presidency.
I wonders what the market is trying to tell us right now, on the eve of election? I think the answer will only be known post hoc.
Hmm… WordPress didn’t like all the hyperlinks, I think. Let’s try again.
Here’s the current list. Let me know if I’ve missed anything.
This is easily a bachelor’s degree worth of material. Among the trivium and quadrivium mentioned by RTO Trainer, the only significant gap I see is music.
I’m willing to take a stab at leading a discussion of anything on my personal list.
Abelson, Harold, Gerald Jay Sussman, and Julie Sussman. Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Second Edition. McGraw-Hill Science/Engineering/Math, 1996.
Alighieri, Dante. “The Divine Comedy.â€Â
Aristophanes. “Lysistrata.â€Â
—. “The Birds.â€Â
—. “The Clouds.â€Â
—. “The Frogs.â€Â
—. “The Wasps.â€Â
Aristotle. “Nicomachean Ethics.â€Â
—. “On the Soul.â€Â
—. “Physics.â€Â
—. “Politics.â€Â
Austen, Jane. The Complete Novels of Jane Austen. Penguin Books, 1999.
Bacon, Francis. “Novum Organum.â€Â
Barzun, Jacques. Teacher in America. Liberty Fund Inc., 1981.
Clark, Kenneth. Civilisation. John Murray Publishers Ltd, 2005.
Copi, Irving M., and Carl Cohen. Introduction to Logic (13th Edition). Prentice Hall, 2008.
Coram, Robert. Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War. Little, Brown and Company, 2002.
Edwards, C. H., and David E. Penney. Elementary Linear Algebra. Prentice Hall, 1987.
Ellis, Robert, and Denny Gulick. Calculus. Custom Publishing, 2002.
Epictetus. “The Discourses.â€Â
Fischer, David Hackett. Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America. Oxford University Press, USA, 1989.
Friedman, Milton, and Rose Friedman. Free to Choose: A Personal Statement. Harvest Books, 1990.
Fuller, J. F. C. The Conduct Of War, 1789-1961: A Study Of The Impact Of The French, Industrial, And Russian Revolutions On War And Its Conduct. Da Capo Press, 1992.
Galilei, Galileo. “De Motu Antiquiora.â€Â
—. “The Systems of the World.â€Â
George, Jean Craighead. My Side of the Mountain. Puffin Books, 2004.
Giap, Vo Nguyen. People’s War People’s Army: The Viet Cong Insurrection Manual for Underdeveloped Countries. University Press of the Pacific, 2001.
Gill, Michael, and Peter Montagnon. Civilisation: The Complete Series. BBC Warner, 2006.
Graham, Ronald L., Donald E. Knuth, and Oren Patashnik. Concrete Mathematics: A Foundation for Computer Science. Addison-Wesley Professional, 1994.
Grant, S. Ulysses. Personal Memoirs of U. S. Grant, V1. IndyPublish, 2007.
Graves, Robert. I, Claudius : From the Autobiography of Tiberius Claudius, Born 10 B.C., Murdered and Deified A.D. 54. Vintage, 1989.
Halliday, David, Robert Resnick, and Jearl Walker. Fundamentals of Physics. Wiley, 2004.
Hammond, Grant T. The Mind of War: John Boyd and American Security. Smithsonian, 2004.
Hart, B. H. Liddell. Strategy: Second Revised Edition. Plume, 1991.
Hartt, Frederick. Art: The History Of Painting, Sculpture, Architecture. Not Avail, 1996.
Hayakawa, S. I., and S.I. Hayakawa. Language in Thought and Action: Fifth Edition. Harcourt, 1991.
Hayek, F. A. The Constitution of Liberty. University Of Chicago Press, 1978.
Heinlein, Robert A. Starship Troopers. Ace, 1987.
—. The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. Orb Books, 1997.
Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan. W. W. Norton & Company, 1996.
Hoff-Sommers, Christina. Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women. Simon & Schuster, 1995.
Hoffer, Eric. The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements. Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 2002.
Homer. The Iliad of Homer. University Of Chicago Press, 1961.
—. The Odyssey of Homer. Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 1999.
Knight, Kevin. “SUMMA THEOLOGICA.â€Â
Korzybski, Alfred. Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics. Institute of General Semantics, 1995.
Kurtz, Stanley. “Senator Stealth.†National Review Online.
Laffer, Arthur B., Stephen Moore, and Peter Tanous. The End of Prosperity: How Higher Taxes Will Doom the Economy–If We Let It Happen. Threshold Editions, 2008.
Lawrence, T.E. Seven Pillars of Wisdom: A Triumph. Anchor, 1991.
Leaf, Munro. The Story of Ferdinand. Puffin, 2007.
Lide, David R. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 89th Edition. CRC, 2008.
Locke, John. “Second Treatise of Government.â€Â
Long, Hamilton Abert. “The American Ideal of 1776.â€Â
Lucretius. “On the Nature of Things.â€Â
Macaulay, David. The New Way Things Work. Houghton Mifflin/Walter Lorraine Books, 1998.
Madison, James. “Debates in the Federal Convention.â€Â
Maimonides, Moses. “Guide for the Perplexed.â€Â
Malory, Sir Thomas. Le Morte D’Arthur: King Arthur and the Legends of the Round Table. Signet Classics, 2001.
Mill, John Stuart, and Geraint Williams. Utilitarianism, on Liberty (Everyman’s Library. Everyman Paperbacks, 1993.
More, Thomas. “Utopia.â€Â
Oberg et al. Machinery’s Handbook Toolbox Edition. Industrial Press, 2008.
Orwell, George. 1984. New American Library, 1961.
Osinga, Frans. Science, Strategy and War: The Strategic Theory of John Boyd. Routledge, 2006.
Paglia, Camille. Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson. Vintage Books, 1991.
Paine, Thomas. Common Sense, The Rights of Man and Other Essential Writings of Thomas Paine. Signet Classics, 2003.
Pinker, Steven. The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature. Penguin (Non-Classics), 2003.
Plato. “Gorgias.â€Â
—. “Phaedrus.â€Â
—. “Theaetetus.â€Â
Plutarch. “Works by Plutarch.â€Â
Rousseau, Jean-Jacques. “A Discourse Upon the Origin and the Foundation of the Inequality Among Men.â€Â
Shakespeare, William. William Shakespeare Complete Works. Modern Library, 2007.
Shirer, William L. Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich. Simon & Schuster, 1990.
Sommers, Christina Hoff. The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men. Simon & Schuster, 2001.
Sowell, Thomas. A Conflict of Visions: Idealogical Origins of Political Struggles. Basic Books, 2007.
—. A Conflict of Visions: Idealogical Origins of Political Struggles. Basic Books, 2007.
—. Knowledge And Decisions. Basic Books, 1996.
—. Marxism: Philosophy and Economics. Quill, 1986.
Spielberg, Steven. Schindler’s List. Universal Studios, 2004.
Spinoza, Benedictus. “Theologico-Political Treatise  Part 1.â€Â
Swift, Jonathan. “The Battle of the Books.â€Â
Thernstrom, Abigail, and Stephan Thernstrom. No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning. Simon & Schuster, 2004.
Thucydides. The History of the Peloponnesian War: Revised Edition. Penguin Classics, 1954.
de Toqueville, Alexis. “Democracy in America (vol. 1).â€Â
—. “Democracy in America (vol. 2).â€Â
Twain, Mark. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. CreateSpace, 2008.
Tzu, Sun. The Art of War. CreateSpace, 2008.
Zill, Dennis G. A First Course in Differential Equations: The Classic Fifth Edition. Brooks Cole, 2000.
I take it you think this either clever, useful, or provocative. Me, all I see is someone who doesn’t understand intentionalism as anything other than a Caric-ature of itself — this despite having it explained to him on numerous occasions.
Intentionalism just is, thor. There is no postmodern escape — though the poststructuralists have tried to suggest there is. When you shape your views as you see fit, you are doing so intentionally; when those views ignore the intent of the encoder of the speech act — the person whose communication you are pretending to address — what you are doing is borrowing that person’s marks and creating your own meaning from them. What you aren’t doing is interpreting. You are creating a new text with no regard for what the original text meant or was trying to convey.
Fundamentally, it is an act of elitist self-aggrandizement.
Which is perfect for you. But it doesn’t mean you aren’t an intentionalist. You’re just one who hasn’t recognized what that means or how it relates to the idea of interpretation in the context of speech acts.
One day it’ll hit you — probably when you take time to consider what others are arguing, rather than assuming you have an idea of what they’re talking about (which you don’t, evidently) and working on your next colorful insult.
>>Let me know if I’ve missed anything.
too many, really. It sorta depends on how the reader views the list. I might include Nock and Mises, to begin with.
urthshu, I think it’s better to go large at this stage; I know I’m going to be mining this list myself, so the more stuff the better.
I haven’t read von Mises, to my regret, or Nock. Feel free to free to start a wiki page for them. :-)
urthshu link is http://classicliberal.pbwiki.com/
so getcherbutt over there and add ’em
Not much a one for listing or even reading lists, Sdferr. Just kibitzing on the subject, and don’t much think its going anywhere besides. I would be among the first to be glad of being wrong on that score, but its where I’m at with it.
Oh, makes no nevermind to me.
I’ve got another one “Time on the Cross” by Robert Fogel and Stenley Engerman.
And, Mona Charen’s “Useful Idiots.” I would recommend “The Black Book of Communism” but I still haven’t made it all the way through.
Writing is,leaving aside private diaries, an attempt to communicate ideas from one mind to another. Individual interpretation, or decoding, of the text leaves the original author out and becomes one mind talking to itself.
Everything read is then only a personal private diary. All books ever written are only your own personal journals upon which your mind gazes at it’s own greatness. The seduction of solipsism.
carin, very cool you homeschool.
we did for years.
used A-beka.
older 2 kids did it the most–one is a frosh at a well-known SEC school, might go into honors curriculum next yr; the other is hitting the ball off the cover in the power HS in our suburban NYC town.
They were ambivalent about it, but, on the other hand, theyre really well adjusted, successful student athletes who have definite spiritual beliefs.
My wife did an incredible job, i would argue.
NB–excellent list. I vow to read and to support it.
My list.
Jeff, I think I’ve made it fairly clear in my previous posts that I find a mix on interpretive theories without exclusion is preferred when doing text-specific analysis. I’m sure you remember my rejecting the over-sexualization of Christina Rosetti’s Goblin’s Market? One doesn’t always have the benefit of an author outright rejecting today’s pro-lesbia bleaters with an full rebuttal of the sexualization of her children’s poem, for children’s enjoyment being Rosetti’s sole intent, in her words. I agree with you when I feel a text specifically rejects popular reader responses, but there’s also high levels of ambiguity in certain poetics wherein, I believe, the ambiguity’s intent is for the sake of invoking mixed responses outside authorial intent, ever undefined for ambiguity’s sake.
I will not reject historicism or other critical theories out of hand. Where there’s critical logics I’ll opt for them out of respect for the fuzzification in piecing together intent from vague uncertainties, not to “ignore” the author’s intent nor done without “regard” to a text’s meaning, nor summarily in isolation of the author’s direction. Maybe you see your determinism as a monastic battering ram meant to dispel the subjective nature of theories in a mad act of truth re-building? I don’t. I’m for multiple cannibalization of everything and, in all due respect, inclined to exercise my male-centric response to piss all over their pretty flowers, whereevah they bloom!
Last update for now. RTO Trainer has added a substantial list, and Carin suggested a couple more. Carin, I didn’t add those to your wiki page, since you you’re on the site and can do it yourself. :-)
I’ll update this bibliography every few days.
If you want to make my life easier, please include an Amazon link to the item — even if there’s a free version on the web. Zotero can snarf the bibliographic information right from the Amazon page, which saves tons-o-time (naturally, you should include a link to the free version, as well… free is good!). Most of the listings with incomplete bibliographic information are from web sites; while Zotero can save the URL and make an intelligent guess about the title, it doesn’t do nearly as well with a random web page as it does with the highly-structured Amazon data.
Great job, everybody.
Abelson, Harold, Gerald Jay Sussman, and Julie Sussman. Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Second Edition. McGraw-Hill Science/Engineering/Math, 1996.
Alexander, Bevin. How Wars Are Won: The 13 Rules of War from Ancient Greece to the War on Terror. Three Rivers Press, 2003.
Alighieri, Dante. “The Divine Comedy.â€Â
Antal, John. Combat Team: The Captain’s War: An Interactive Exercise in Company Level Command in Battle. Presidio Press, 1998.
—. Infantry Combat: The Rifle Platoon: An Interactive Exercise in Small-Unit Tactics and Leadership. Presidio Press, 1995.
Aristophanes. “Lysistrata.â€Â
—. “The Birds.â€Â
—. “The Clouds.â€Â
—. “The Frogs.â€Â
—. “The Wasps.â€Â
Aristotle. “Nicomachean Ethics.â€Â
—. “On the Soul.â€Â
—. “Physics.â€Â
—. “Politics.â€Â
Austen, Jane. The Complete Novels of Jane Austen. Penguin Books, 1999.
Bacon, Francis. “Novum Organum.â€Â
Barzun, Jacques. Teacher in America. Liberty Fund Inc., 1981.
Benjamin, Daniel, and Steven Simon. The Age of Sacred Terror: Radical Islam’s War Against America. Random House Trade Paperbacks, 2003.
Boot, Max. The Savage Wars Of Peace: Small Wars And The Rise Of American Power. Basic Books, 2003.
Burke, James. Connections. Simon & Schuster, 2007.
—. The Day The Universe Changed. Little Brown and Company, 1985.
Campbell, Joseph. The Hero with a Thousand Faces. New World Library, 2008.
Carr, Caleb. The Lessons of Terror: A History of Warfare Against Civilians. Random House Trade Paperbacks, 2003.
Charen, Mona. Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First. Harper Paperbacks, 2004.
Clark, Kenneth. Civilisation. John Murray Publishers Ltd, 2005.
Cockburn, Leslie. One Point Safe. Doubleday, 1997.
Copi, Irving M., and Carl Cohen. Introduction to Logic (13th Edition). Prentice Hall, 2008.
Coram, Robert. Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War. Little, Brown and Company, 2002.
Courtois, Stéphane et al. The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression. Harvard University Press, 1999.
Edwards, C. H., and David E. Penney. Elementary Linear Algebra. Prentice Hall, 1987.
Ellis, Robert, and Denny Gulick. Calculus. Custom Publishing, 2002.
Epictetus. “The Discourses.â€Â
Fischer, David Hackett. Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America. Oxford University Press, USA, 1989.
Fogel, Robert William, and Stanley L. Engerman. Time on the Cross: The Economics of American Negro Slavery. W. W. Norton & Company, 1995.
Friedman, George, and Meredith Friedman. The Future of War: Power, Technology and American World Dominance in the Twenty-first Century. St. Martin’s Griffin, 1998.
Friedman, Milton, and Rose Friedman. Free to Choose: A Personal Statement. Harvest Books, 1990.
Friedman, Milton, and Anna Jacobson Schwartz. A Monetary History of the United States, 1867-1960. Princeton University Press, 1971.
Friedman, Thomas L. The World Is Flat 3.0: A Brief History of the Twenty-first Century. Picador, 2007.
Fuller, J. F. C. The Conduct Of War, 1789-1961: A Study Of The Impact Of The French, Industrial, And Russian Revolutions On War And Its Conduct. Da Capo Press, 1992.
Galbraith, John Kenneth. Money: Whence It Came, Where It Went. Houghton Mifflin (T), 2001.
Galilei, Galileo. “De Motu Antiquiora.â€Â
—. “The Systems of the World.â€Â
George, Jean Craighead. My Side of the Mountain. Puffin Books, 2004.
Giap, Vo Nguyen. People’s War People’s Army: The Viet Cong Insurrection Manual for Underdeveloped Countries. University Press of the Pacific, 2001.
Gill, Michael, and Peter Montagnon. Civilisation: The Complete Series. BBC Warner, 2006.
Graham, Ronald L., Donald E. Knuth, and Oren Patashnik. Concrete Mathematics: A Foundation for Computer Science. Addison-Wesley Professional, 1994.
Grant, S. Ulysses. Personal Memoirs of U. S. Grant, V1. IndyPublish, 2007.
Graves, Robert. I, Claudius : From the Autobiography of Tiberius Claudius, Born 10 B.C., Murdered and Deified A.D. 54. Vintage, 1989.
Gribbin, John. In Search of Schrödinger’s Cat: Quantum Physics and Reality. Bantam Books, 1984.
Halliday, David, Robert Resnick, and Jearl Walker. Fundamentals of Physics. Wiley, 2004.
Hammond, Grant T. The Mind of War: John Boyd and American Security. Smithsonian, 2004.
Hart, B. H. Liddell. Strategy: Second Revised Edition. Plume, 1991.
Hartt, Frederick. Art: The History Of Painting, Sculpture, Architecture. Not Avail, 1996.
Hayakawa, S. I., and S.I. Hayakawa. Language in Thought and Action: Fifth Edition. Harcourt, 1991.
Hayek, F. A. The Constitution of Liberty. University Of Chicago Press, 1978.
Heinlein, Robert A. Starship Troopers. Ace, 1987.
—. The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. Orb Books, 1997.
Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan. W. W. Norton & Company, 1996.
Hoff-Sommers, Christina. Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women. Simon & Schuster, 1995.
Hoffer, Eric. The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements. Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 2002.
Homer. The Iliad of Homer. University Of Chicago Press, 1961.
—. The Odyssey of Homer. Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 1999.
Irons, Peter. Brennan Vs. Rehnquist: The Battle for the Constitution. Knopf, 1994.
Jones, Alexander. The Jerusalem Bible: Reader’s Edition. Doubleday, 2000.
Keegan, John. The Mask of Command. Penguin (Non-Classics), 1988.
Knight, Kevin. “SUMMA THEOLOGICAâ€Â.
Korzybski, Alfred. Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics. Institute of General Semantics, 1995.
Kurtz, Stanley. “Senator Stealth.†National Review Online.
Laffer, Arthur B., Stephen Moore, and Peter Tanous. The End of Prosperity: How Higher Taxes Will Doom the Economy–If We Let It Happen. Threshold Editions, 2008.
Lawrence, T.E. Seven Pillars of Wisdom: A Triumph. Anchor, 1991.
Leaf, Munro. The Story of Ferdinand. Puffin, 2007.
Leonhard, Robert. The Art of Maneuver: Maneuver Warfare Theory and Airland Battle. Presidio Press, 1994.
Lewis, Anthony. Make No Law: The Sullivan Case and the First Amendment. Vintage, 1992.
Lide, David R. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 89th Edition. CRC, 2008.
Locke, John. “Second Treatise of Government.â€Â
Long, Hamilton Abert. “The American Ideal of 1776.â€Â
Lucretius. “On the Nature of Things.â€Â
Macaulay, David. The New Way Things Work. Houghton Mifflin/Walter Lorraine Books, 1998.
Macgregor, Douglas A. Breaking the Phalanx: A New Design for Landpower in the 21st Century. Praeger Paperback, 1997.
—. Transformation Under Fire: Revolutionizing How America Fights. Praeger Publishers, 2003.
Madison, James. “Debates in the Federal Convention.â€Â
Maimonides, Moses. “Guide for the Perplexed.â€Â
Malory, Sir Thomas. Le Morte D’Arthur: King Arthur and the Legends of the Round Table. Signet Classics, 2001.
Mill, John Stuart, and Geraint Williams. Utilitarianism, on Liberty (Everyman’s Library. Everyman Paperbacks, 1993.
Montesquieu, Charles de. Montesquieu: The Spirit of the Laws. Cambridge University Press, 1989.
More, Thomas. “Utopia.â€Â
Netanyahu, Benjamin. Fighting Terrorism: How Democracies Can Defeat Domestic and International Terrorists. Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1997.
Netanyahu, Benjamin (ed.). Terrorism : how the West can win / edited by Benjamin Netanyahu. New York : Farrar, Straus, Giroux, 1986.
Nussbaum, Hedda, and Charles Schultz. Charlie Brown’s Super Book of Questions and Answers. Scholastic, 1976.
O’Toole, G. J. A. Honorable Treachery: A History of Us Intelligence, Espionage, and Covert Action from the American Revolution to the CIA. Atlantic Monthly Pr, 1993.
Oberg et al. Machinery’s Handbook Toolbox Edition. Industrial Press, 2008.
Orwell, George. 1984. New American Library, 1961.
Osinga, Frans. Science, Strategy and War: The Strategic Theory of John Boyd. Routledge, 2006.
Paglia, Camille. Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson. Vintage Books, 1991.
Paine, Thomas. Common Sense, The Rights of Man and Other Essential Writings of Thomas Paine. Signet Classics, 2003.
Penrose, Roger. The Emperor’s New Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds, and the Laws of Physics. PENGUIN BOOKS, 1990.
Pinker, Steven. The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature. Penguin (Non-Classics), 2003.
Plato. “Gorgias.â€Â
—. “Phaedrus.â€Â
—. “Theaetetus.â€Â
Plutarch. “Works by Plutarch.â€Â
Rivers, Gayle. The War Against the Terrorists: How to Win It. Jove Books, 1987.
Rousseau, Jean-Jacques. “A Discourse Upon the Origin and the Foundation of the Inequality Among Men.â€Â
Schulz, Charles M. Charlie Brown’s Fifth Super Book of Questions and Answers: About All Kinds of Machines and How They Work! : Based on the Charles M. Schulz Character. Random House Childrens Books, 1981.
—. Charlie Brown’s Fourth Super Book of Questions and Answers: About All Kinds of People and How They Live! : Based on the Charles M. Schulz Characters. Random House Childrens Books, 1979.
—. Charlie Brown’s Fourth Super Book of Questions and Answers: About All Kinds of People and How They Live! : Based on the Charles M. Schulz Characters. Random House Childrens Books, 1979.
—. Charlie Brown’s Second Super Book of Questions and Answers: About the Earth and Space … from Plants to Planets! : Based on the Charles M. Schulz C. Random House Childrens Books, 1977.
—. Charlie Brown’s Third Super Book of Questions and Answers: About All Kinds of Boats and Planes, Cars and Trains, and Other Things That Move! : Based. Random House Childrens Books, 1978.
Shakespeare, William. William Shakespeare Complete Works. Modern Library, 2007.
Shirer, William L. Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich. Simon & Schuster, 1990.
Shirky, Clay. Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations. Penguin Press HC, The, 2008.
Smith, Adam. Wealth of Nations. Prometheus Books, 1991.
Sommers, Christina Hoff. The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men. Simon & Schuster, 2001.
Sowell, Thomas. A Conflict of Visions: Idealogical Origins of Political Struggles. Basic Books, 2007.
—. A Conflict of Visions: Idealogical Origins of Political Struggles. Basic Books, 2007.
—. Knowledge And Decisions. Basic Books, 1996.
—. Marxism: Philosophy and Economics. Quill, 1986.
Spielberg, Steven. Schindler’s List. Universal Studios, 2004.
Spinoza, Benedictus. “Theologico-Political Treatise  Part 1.â€Â
Summers, Harry G. New World Strategy: A Military Policy for America’s Future. Touchstone, 1995.
—. On Strategy: A Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War. Presidio Press, 1995.
Swift, Jonathan. “The Battle of the Books.â€Â
Thernstrom, Abigail, and Stephan Thernstrom. No Excuses: Closing the Racial Gap in Learning. Simon & Schuster, 2004.
Thucydides. The History of the Peloponnesian War: Revised Edition. Penguin Classics, 1954.
de Toqueville, Alexis. “Democracy in America (vol. 1).â€Â
—. “Democracy in America (vol. 2).â€Â
Twain, Mark. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. CreateSpace, 2008.
Tzu, Sun. The Art of War. CreateSpace, 2008.
Vandergriff, Donald. The Path to Victory: America’s Army and the Revolution in Human Affairs. Presidio Press, 2002.
Zill, Dennis G. A First Course in Differential Equations: The Classic Fifth Edition. Brooks Cole, 2000.
You want to call it BDR, go ahead. He’s a fuckin’ idiot. Bush’s actions of fiscal irresponsibility are fuckin’ legendary. That his predecessors may have acted similarly dissuades me little, enforces my response, actually.
The full rub is that the Redumblican cliche barkers rushed to destroy our basic industries such as steel (eff you Darleen) while ultimately pining more cliches through their red-hot tears when describing the hell-to-pay from de-leveraging the American consumer’s purchasing power of Chinese-made goods.
America can no longer afford to purchase the Reagonomic lies – spend to stimulate, borrow to the hilt, save nothing. There’s your Conservative dogma revealed, evidentily, for you can’t show me a modern Conservative president who did anything but.
Recapitalize the banks with freshly borrowed money! Genius! The slow process of re-capitalization through savings never even occurred to Redumblicans. Gov’t is the answer, has the answer, and a pretty printing press that whirs and sings, that’s Redumblican economics.
Time to let the rookie play right-field. Obama can’t fuck it up any worse, that I’m certain of.
I see sPies continues the great comedy of assimilating a list of books he’ll never touch.
You want a book? Celine’s Death on the Installment Plan or Dostoyevky’s Notes From the underground. Put your little interpretive tin-foil hats on and enjoy the comedy directed at you, the reader. We’re all stinkin’ assholes, that’s the sub-text.
I see thor is ready to go back in the TrollHammer bin.
Buh-bye, thor.
You read me, but, alas, nary a book. Trust me, it shows.
Spies is so stupid he thinks Circuit Cities problems began yesterday and that a mutual fund’s liquidation is proof of a lack of credit.
Dumbass. Never – nekogda! – one individual’s mistake, outside of Bwarney Fwanck, all a big institutionalized conspiracy of dark-hearted Socialist evil at work.
What a willful intellectual fraud the man is.
Thor – how do you see Obama “not fucking it up worse”, given that he and his party voted, in the majority, for the nationalization of the US Banking industry that you put at the feet of GWB.
Also given that some of Obama’s traveling mates have spent little time telling the banks where “they think” the banks should be doing with their new loot.
For all the talk about tax rates going to Clinton era levels, lets not forget;
Taking the cap off SSI income tax limit
Windfall Profit Taxing select industry sectors
Carbon taxing
I put at the feet of GWB? Where else would it belong? Are you going to deny the truth that the Redumblicans owned the House, Senate and Oval Office and proceeded to reduce tax revenue and increase spending while lowering the Fed Funds rate all of which caused a massive U.S. deficit and another collapse of another economic speculative balloon?
Oh yeah, it Bwarney fault! Goo, goo, gah, gah.
It’s Bwill Awer fault! Goo, goo, gah, gah.
Collapse the Redumblican House of Dumb Dicks and start afresh with some new Republican pols who aren’t plain fuckin’ stupid, that’s when I’ll ride with ya, hoss. And Sarah Palin is plain fuckin’ stupid, btw.
In my opinion we need a Socialist dictator to get us out of the Redumblican eco-mess. Democracy only works if its run by grown ups, intelligent ones I should add. Little mealy mouthed, dickless, finger-pointing, flag-pin wearing Redumblican’s lack of maturity makes ’em ineligible for job, obviously.
Until you can point at a failed trade policy, failed energy policy, failed regulation policy and a failed Fed and Treasury policy your just another member of Darleen and Igno-Howlers.
Oh thor, how can either party own the Senate without 60 votes? And do you think that Countrywide Chris Dodd had any trouble getting Demorats to filibuster Bush’s 2003 reform proposal or McCain’s 2005 one?
That right there demonstrates your total cluelessness.
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Bullshit.
I’ll give you points for honesty, thor. Negative one million for your position, but at least you’re honest.
Doesn’t matter. Thor will believe anything that lets his idols off the hook. He wants his socialist dictator, dammit!
Hmmm… it has been an interesting campaign season for the level of honesty it’s brought out from the left field. Semanticleo admits he wants to reinstate slavery (so long as HE gets to pick who is enslaved), and thor admits he wants to have a dictator.
I say deny nihilists the vote, Rob.
JUST their votes? Hmmmm….
“Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.” — A. Lincoln
I’d add “or dictatorship” to that.
We need, I believe, a dictator who can/will change certain flawed structures within the heart of what we’ve come to believe are our corporate legal foundations.
Citizen, government and corporate legal entities are working against one another for the benefit of none.
I say deny nihilists the vote, thor.
thor: one more authoritarian-cultist, decloseted.
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