October 4, 2008

“Palin says Obama ‘palling around’ with terrorists”

A few days back, in response to Jimmie at Sundries Shack and Stacy McCain of the Washington Times, I suggested that, from a strategic standpoint, the McCain campaign might have been waiting to use Sarah Palin as the key attack dog — the upshot being that she draws more elitist fire (jokes about breeder hicks seem to play poorly in Peoria), that the Obama campaign and their media arm concentrates their attentions on her, and that McCain gets to look “Presidential” by remaining above the fray.

At the time, this strategem seemed to some far-fetched, I suppose because they didn’t think Palin’s attacks would carry much weight given her unpreparedness for office.

But it seems her performance in the VP debate has restored both confidence in her abilities and the public’s faith in her competence — which allows her to go on the offensive thusly:

Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is accusing Democrat Barack Obama of “palling around with terrorists” for his association with a former 1960s radical.

Palin was referring to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. The group took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol four decades ago.

In remarks to GOP donors in Englewood, Colo., on Saturday, Palin said Obama seems to see the U.S. as being so imperfect that, in her words, “he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”

Obama served on a charity board with Ayers in Chicago and has denounced his past activities.

Leaving aside the mitigation of the connection between Obama and Ayers as it is tacked onto the end of the story — and the mitigation of Ayers’ own terrorism (“nonfatal”; of course, Ms Dohrne practically threw a party for the Manson family, but we’ll let that slide, as well) — I suspect that, with Palin beginning to make public mentions, the press will be forced to cover the story (in such a way, as my last post indicates, that covers for Obama, as well).

Still, my guess is there are many voters who are only now really starting to pay attention to the election, and — unlike those of us in the blogosphere who have already decided how much importance to grant to Obama’s past and present associations — those voters will be finding out about some of these connections for the first time.

Everything the VP candidate says is news. So she can literally push these potential scandals into the news cycle. And wouldn’t that be gratifying, having herself weathered the storm of tanning beds and teenage daughters…

(h/t Spies, who has more over at the Pub, including a link to the “unspun” version of Palin’s remarks)

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update: CNN’s take. Most of our concern trolls seem to be coming from there.

Kurtz responds:

A CNN article on Sarah Palin’s criticism of Barack Obama’s relationship to unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers actually cites National Review as one of the publications supposedly debunking Palin’s point. How CNN can cite National Review this way is a mystery to me. Maybe we’ll have to set up an NR “truth squad.”

I was very briefly on CNN immediately after the McCain campaign called for me to be given access to UIC library. A CNN reporter interviewed me, and almost every question was an attempt to challenge the significance of the Obama-Ayers link. I answered every query in detail. When the report finally aired, my points about the significance of the Obama-Ayers connection were cut. And now, CNN is actually claiming NR as an ally in its effort to undercut Palin. Incredible.

Well, in fairness, Rich Brookhiser and a few others have certainly helped them along in that regard, Stanley.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 1:49pm
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Comments (1,574)

  1. YES.

    I want to see nothing but Palin for the next 30 days, beating Obama into the dust on every dirty relationship he’s got.

  2. There’s now an unspun-by-AP version at The Corner.

    May take a little while to get in, their site is getting hammered right now.

  3. Well, there goes that Palin again. Doesn’t she read the New York Times? They’ve already explored this issue completely and found absolutely nothing that can’t be airbrushed or repeatedly denied away.

    Little people, what are we ever to do with them?

  4. Sarah Palin is a RACIST!!!!

  5. - We’ll have to see if the electorate, particularly Independents like myself, buy your spin cycle Semidouche.

  6. Also, a pig.

    *snicker*chuckle*wink*

  7. Does this mean Obama will now begin touting his executive experience gained running the CAC?

  8. That’s pretty weak.”

    This seems compelling:

    Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

    Obama must have had some obligation to Ayers, no?

  9. - BTW. Anybody else think OJ looked like an unapologetic smartass in his court appearances. That seemed to hold up well until the verdict was returned. At that point he looked like he would break into tears.

    – Ana Nichole and Ron were unavailable for comment.

  10. I guess some people really do have a need to be ruled over.

  11. Semicolon obviously hates women. If McCain-Palin lose this election, it can only be attributable to the misogeny of Democrats.

  12. I hope next time someone disparages Sarahs pedigree, she says some variation of “Laugh about Alaska if you want, but I never saw Bill Ayres in MY neighborhood.”

  13. Jaysus, if Charlie himself was outta the slam, Obama would have been his pal, too. You know, for the cool radical glow.

    I despair over Semanticleo. How does such a person not have its’ own nurse to make sure the meds don’t get all mixed up?

  14. I never saw Bill Ayres in MY neighborhood.

    Or any neighborhood for that matter.

    I know about Ayres not from newspapers and magazines, or first hand knowledge, but from Protein Wisdom!

  15. First, we know that Obama is not tied to William Ayers in any meaningful way. I know Palin struggles to keep up with current events, but her attacks are obviously and demonstrably wrong.

    Second, the McCain campaign is surprisingly transparent in its desperation. Faced with daunting challenges here and abroad, McCain, Palin, and their team of Bushies have decided they’d lose if voters have issues and substance on their minds. They’re left with lies, personal attacks, and bogus smears. It’s surprisingly pathetic.

    Third, does Palin really want to play the guilt-by-association game? Isn’t she married to someone who joined a fringe political party that wants to secede from the United States? Didn’t she attend a church where a literal witchdoctor laid hands on her?

    The truth is, running for national office in a time of war and crisis is difficult. It takes real courage, strength, and character to challenge voters to weigh the seriousness of the moment, and make a decision about our collective fate based on substance.

    And therein lies the point about the McCain/Palin campaign: we’re dealing with a team that lacks courage, strength, and character. Running away from the issues, deceiving voters, cynically distracting the public are all signs of political cowardice.

    The McCain campaign hit the bottom of the barrel a while ago, but they figured out a way to dig a hole in the barrel, fall through, and scrounge around underneath it.

    McCain was given a choice: lose his honor or lose the election. He’s clearly made his decision, but if there’s any justice, he’s about to lose both.

  16. Sashal, you really need to be a little more subtle with the talking points. Try to slip them in, like a dagger, not pound them, like an old bolshevik’s shoe.

  17. Nice cut and paste job sashal. Care to leave a link next time?

  18. First, we know that Obama is not tied to William Ayers in any meaningful way.

    oh, we know stuff. That’s always a good sign.

    Obama said, sashal believes it, that settles it.

  19. Here is the link sashal didn’t leave to a piece in the WashingtonMonthly by Steve Benen.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

  20. Third, does Palin really want to play the guilt-by-association game? Isn’t she married to someone who joined a fringe political party that wants to secede from the United States?

    No, not with the false characterization of the party you use

    Didn’t she attend a church where a literal witchdoctor laid hands on her?

    I would need to see proof and context with that one.

    And therein lies the point about the McCain/Palin campaign: we’re dealing with a team that lacks courage, strength, and character. Running away from the issues, deceiving voters, cynically distracting the public are all signs of political cowardice

    And there my friends, stands a strawman, wobbling on a foundation of begging the question.

  21. Lee you might want to direct your fire for Steve Benen of the WashingtonMonthly.

  22. (jokes about breeder hicks seem to play poorly in Peoria)

    The Dems are at a loss as to how to counter Gov. Palin and her over-the-media’s-heads connection to the public. How do you fight someone who looks like she just stepped out of a fabric softener commercial?

  23. Didn’t she attend a church where a literal witchdoctor laid hands on her?

    That sounds like a multi-culti stunt in a blue state, formerly mainline protestant church.

  24. sashal: First, we know that Obama is not tied to William Ayers in any meaningful way.

    Really? If McCain had gotten his introduction to politics in the home of a former abortion clinic bomber, I imagine you would think there to be a rather tangible link.

    sashal: does Palin really want to play the guilt-by-association game? Isn’t she married to someone who joined a fringe political party that wants to secede from the United States? Didn’t she attend a church where a literal witchdoctor laid hands on her?

    From what I’ve seen, false and false. Which would mean, on its face, that Obama and Biden are dealing in the same desperate shlock that you accuse McCain and Palin of dealing in.

    sashal, if you’re gonna try and make an argument, make an argument. Approaching this like some plaid-jacketed used car salesman using the “presumed close” approach is just too easy to poke holes in.

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  26. you might want to direct your fire for Steve Benen of the WashingtonMonthly.

    I was just responding to ideas posted in the comments here.

    Whoever has those ideas really…

  27. sashal, you know that guy. That guy who borrorws his ideas from everyone else and doesn’t have a single orginal thought in his head.

    Don’t be that guy.

  28. Or at least put some effort into it. Of course who am I fooling, why would any marxist ever feel any sense of pride of ownership.

    Carry on.

  29. Yeah it is pretty sad when a simple google search turns up plagerism. Well what can you expect from someone that is voting for a ticket with Biden on it.

  30. Oh, yeah, a tangent: SO this one girl at work thinks the oceans will stop rising and the birds will increase a thousand-fold if the O is elected. She also goes on and on about Trig and also about how unqualified Palin is. So I asked her, “Hey, wouldn’t you like a woman president? Well, why not Michelle Obama? She has a law degree. At her Diversity job, she organizes and stuff for the local community. Why isn’t she qualified enough to be president?”

    Chick thought I wasn’t being serious…

  31. It seems that a few jangly nerves have been well hit after the appearance of the lame Times piece.

  32. oh, and maybee shows up in the comments under that first link.

  33. There’s now an unspun-by-AP version at The Corner.

    That’s some gooooood shit there, amigo. And, with just a month to go, Palin’s going to have plenty of material to throw at Da Lawd: Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, Daley, Rezko, the New Party, ACORN….fuck, talk about target-rich environments!

  34. When Cotton Candy doesn’t work Sling Mud. LIE,LIE,LIE. She failed at the debates doing nothing but wink and tease and play cutesy little junior high school flirt on the podium and even went against McCain without answering questions or laying out a plan. McCain’s VP is pure Cotton Candy and since not all of us are Joe SixPack frat boys who have a crush on her, we’re going with a team that is united and has substance – Obama and Biden. Palin has her own agenda she’s already making plans contrary to McCain but they sure are united focusing on tabloid lies and not the issues. That’s because they have no plans or solutions. Welcome to McCain/Palin ticket…the LOW ROAD EXPRESS..here we go again.

  35. It’s time to take off the lipstick, put on a muzzle and run for the bridge to no where!
    Reelecting Bush made us blind, electing McCain and Palin would make us plain old stupid. Thank God we’re not!

  36. we’re going with a team that is united and has substance – Obama and Biden.

    *snort*

    oh wait… you’re serious?

    what might this substance be? BS.

  37. The one that killed little Billy’s buddies was decidely fatal.

  38. Where’s the “LIE,LIE,LIE,” CnC?

  39. I guess this is how you can tell the Repubs know they’re losing.

  40. Oh yeah Sarah. I will not be surprised if tomorrow you will tell the American people that Sen. Obama killed President Lincoln just to win this election. Please say the truth. You are insulting the intelligence of the American people, republicans and democrats alike. I know at this point you are a desperate housewife because you and McNoShame can feel and smell defeat. ENOUGH OF DIRTY POLITICS!!! We Americans know that the people of Alaska are better than that.

  41. The one that killed little Billy’s buddies was decidely fatal.

    I love that bomb. America was improved by its premature detonation.

  42. Moby! Glad you could make it!

  43. alright, who linked this?

  44. My exact thought, Maggie

  45. By the way I want to congratulate Sarah on her debate with Biden. You can memorize very very well. CONGRAT!!! But please next time answer the question of the moderator because if you don’t it is not good to see and hear. Ok….

  46. Thanks for playing, Al!

  47. You can memorize very very well

    much better than Biden at least. tell us again about Katie’s, Joe! or how bout that time Obama didn’t say he would meet with Ajad without preconditions. I lurve that one.

  48. How desperate can you get! What a slim-0ball!!!

  49. Hezbollah was just like Meals on Wheels before Boooosh!

  50. Maggie Bridge to Nowhere?

  51. Maggie troopergate?

  52. For those of you who are uneducated on the facts of history, the Weathermen members were the most violent radicals at the time and responsible for a lot of domestic bombing and violence in this country at that time. Old dogs do not change their spots and you are as naive and stupid as Obama if you blieve these are just innocent people getting a bad rap or that they have changed in their mission to destroy this country. There is a saying that it is better to appear dumb than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. When you speak in favor of these terrorists it just proves that you are stupid and uneducated. Anyone who lived during this time period knows the Weather men were the most radical and violent of all the groups, getting older has NOT changed these terrorist, they are just more sophisticated at manipulating the stupid and naive.

  53. Maggie Bridge to Nowhere?

    How’d O’Biden vote on that little project, Al?

  54. Maggie, my friend ask me is Sarah intelligent. I answered she is beatiful. Then he asked me again is Sarah intelligent I answere again oh yes she is beautiful.

  55. Maggie troopergate?

    Obiden stands for the rights of drunken troopers tasing 11 year olds!!

  56. Barbara you must 100 years old now, right? You are good in history maybe you are also a member of the Weathermen. Hahahaha…hi grandma!!!

  57. Al Ram Tony Rezko?

  58. Al Ram Rev. Wright?

  59. Al’s a deep thinker who clearly needs a diary over at Kos.

  60. Maggie…. persons can be beautiful but if persons has nothing between their ears….it could ugly….ugly….ugly…

  61. Al Ram…Hi nishi *groan*

  62. Maggie….how about McNoShame and Keating of the Loan and Savings fiasco…

  63. Maggie…. persons can be beautiful but if persons has nothing between their ears….it could ugly….ugly….ugly…

    I hear the plangent wail of the voice of experience.

  64. PALIN IS GETTIN SCARED AND NOW SHE’S TRYING TO TAKE PEOPLE ATTENTION OFF HOW BAD THE ECONOMY IS WITH THIS BULL!! COME ON THE MAN WAS 8YRS OLD. SO NOW ITS SMEAR TIME HUH? FOR THE MCCAIN CAMPAIN TO EVEN TAKE IT THERE WAS JUST IGNORANT! DO THEY THINK IF THEY BEGIN THIS SMEAR CAMPAINING THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS NEGATIVE KIND OF ATTACKS. OUR COUNTRY IS STIL IN A TIME OF CRSIS WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE ISSUES NOT THIS STUFF MCSHAME AND HIS BARBIE SIDE KICK JUST THROW OUT THERE TO SWAY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE REALLY SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.

  65. Maggie….how about McNoShame and Keating of the Loan and Savings fiasco…

    Tell us about that one, Al. I wanna hear your brilliant analysis.

  66. Maggie are you still there…or you went to Alaska to see the bridge to nowhere?

  67. Wow, it really is a CAPS LOCK CAMPAIGN!!!

  68. It is well known that this man is not a friend of Obama’s. They simply live in the same neighborhood and have met socially on several occasions. Obama has NEVER approved of terrorism in any form. Palin, on the other hand, did approvingly cite the words of Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist and anti-semite who said of RFK that ‘some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.’

  69. I’would Like to ask mrs Palin.If a man is aterrorist”S and liveing your country teaching,why the feds do not goes after him.Ijust think mrs pain shut up and go home,and take care of her children.I think she already lost the debate.American are suffering,with their home about to loose every thing they have.You should be a shame.How can a man with is family,And have all the most powerfull people stand behind him could tie himself with Terrorist’s.Wise up Palin your little girl child have more sense more than you.Palin you and mr.Mc Cain should come up with some better than that.You two are sick.You are not Qualified for that job.Do you think you can just walk over Alqaeda.Mr Palin what are you trying to do,Stirup more hunger with Alqaeda.Palin are you stuiped.American are weak,you are in debtto your neck,and want to talk about terrorists,instead talk about the American who are in trouble.

  70. #38
    But electing a corrupt Chicago politician is OK? Keep in mind the people that run the great City of Chicago and the great County of Cook will be sitting in cabinet positions in the oval office. You OK with that?

  71. WTF is it with these morons?

    Obama was asked abouot what proposals he might have to cut back on due to the financial crisis and he went on about EDUCATION REFORM.

    At a time when Americans may be at risk for FOOD and HEATING OIL.

    The man is a serious flake. I mean it. He has brains, sure, but he can’t make any practical use of them.

    Even Lehrer – LEHRER – did a doubletake.

    Anybody who supports this obvious newbie flake for office is a fool. Maybe Obama would be a good President in prosperity, but not now. No fkn way.

  72. Poor Barbara. She obviously has serious mental/emotional issues.

  73. Oh by the way Maggie…if Sarah can be the vice-president because he can see Russia from Alaska..I can also tbe Secretary of Health because I can see from our house a tall building of a hospital. And maybe you can also be the Secretary of Transportation because you are using a car everyday!!!!

  74. Q: What’s the difference between a hockey mom and a trashcan?

    A: The can

  75. If a man is aterrorist”S and liveing your country teaching,why the feds do not goes after him.

    Ummm….they did, but there was prosecutorial misconduct and the charges thrown out. Bill Ayers admits to bombing the Pentagon, bright boy. What was his phrase?…”Guilty as hell, free as a bird!”

  76. Palin accuses Obama – but what she doesn’t want you to know or see…..

    This thing that we call a potential vice president (Palin) is a stone idiot! Making a fool of her must be what the McCain Insane wants her to do. I really feel sorry for her, and she is suppose to represent “women” instead she is a disgrace to all intelligent women in the world. She is now being the laughing stock of modern day politics. This is a product of a no agenda ticket in McCain and Palin, as they say desperate people do desperate things. Good try my dear… but would you really want anyone to see the video of you having a witch doctor at one of your churches compelling the demons to come out of you. Seriously, this actually happened. Check out the video showing her having these demons expelled.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIOD5X68lIs

    Not to mention, this is the first time in history that a federal subpoena has been issued for a vice presidential candidate and their spouse, to which they both completely ignore and obviously do not respect the government. This from a woman who is running for a FEDERAL government position, so “Country First”, obviously not Gov. Palin, or maybe the laws just don’t apply to your and your husband. How convenient!

    Lady if that is what you want to call yourself, stick to the issues as it relates to the hard working American People. Please

  77. Maggie where are you????

  78. Was this linked by a site dedicated to spreading illiteracy?

  79. Maggie are you hiding under Sarah!!!!

  80. Well, it must be working for the morons to come out in such force, I guess.

  81. Both Palin and McCain were recently alluding General Petraus and Bin Laden agree that the central front on war on terror is Iraq! Does it mean Petraus is a Pal of bin laden! Come on folks, stop this nonsensical characterizations. Talk about solutions to the present problems.

  82. The arrogent, ignorant bitch has taken off her lipstick to reveal A PITBULL!! AHHHHHHHHHH!

  83. I’ve done some work on sashal’s comment.

    Here it is, improved:

    First, we know that Obama is not tied to William Ayers in any meaningful way. I know Palin struggles to keep up with current events, but her attacks are obviously and demonstrably wrong.

    Second, the McCain campaign is surprisingly transparent in its desperation. Faced with daunting challenges here and abroad, McCain, Palin, and their team of Bushies have decided they’d lose if voters have issues and substance on their minds. They’re left with lies, personal attacks, and bogus smears. It’s surprisingly pathetic.

    Third, does Palin really want to play the guilt-by-association game? Isn’t she married to someone who joined a fringe political party that wants to secede from the United States? Didn’t she attend a church where a literal witchdoctor laid hands on her?

    The truth is, running for national office in a time of war and crisis is difficult. It takes real courage, strength, and character to challenge voters to weigh the seriousness of the moment, and make a decision about our collective fate based on substance.

    And therein lies the point about the McCain/Palin campaign: we’re dealing with a team that lacks courage, strength, and character. Running away from the issues, deceiving voters, cynically distracting the public are all signs of political cowardice.

    The McCain campaign hit the bottom of the barrel a while ago, but they figured out a way to dig a hole in the barrel, fall through, and scrounge around underneath it.

    McCain was given a choice: lose his honor or lose the election. He’s clearly made his decision, but if there’s any justice, he’s about to lose both.

  84. Maggie…..are you having a heart attack…oh nooooooooooo!!!!

  85. Jeff G…ride on man!!!! Beautiful!!!!

  86. This women is full of shit and just plain pathetic! Please America, as an Iraq vet, I beg of you do not be fooled by these two mindless fools (McCain/Palin) BS!

    Go! Obama/Biden 08

  87. Maggie you see…Sarah is married to somebody who wants to secede from the U S of A….you dig that…huh Maggie…

  88. You do realize that John McCain hung around with COMMUNISTS for 5 YEARS!!!

    /snark off

  89. Palin that is old news about Barack. The ties to a “so called terrorist” was disproved during when the Democratic candidates ran against each other. Nobody cares about this anymore.
    Please get up to date on the current news.

  90. “Please America, as an Iraq vet”

    How many camels have you examined?

  91. Talk about solutions to the present problems.

    Oh, I don’t know, I think it’s instructive to know where the candidates’ assumptions lie, don’t you? And since they stock their administrations with people they know and trust, I think it’s useful to see the sort of folks they’ve been hanging out with.

  92. VKon you are to harsh…she is not full of shit …she is $#@%!!!!!!

  93. Palin that is old news about Barack. The ties to a “so called terrorist” was disproved during when the Democratic candidates ran against each other. Nobody cares about this anymore.

    Then shouldn’t you be inwardly thrilled to see Palin charge down this blind alley, wasting her time and effort?

  94. BTW, well done on the sashal take-down, Jeff.

  95. Some interesting visitors this thread has drawn. And by “interesting,” I mean “retarded.”

  96. Palin’s alleged terrorism comment about Obama is extremely dangerous and shall be condemned by McCain and all Republicans. If Palin has really stated such connection then she should be prosecuted immediatly for inducing into sick minds thoughts that could lead to a tragedy. What was thinking?

  97. “The ties to a “so called terrorist” was disproved during when the Democratic candidates ran against each other”

    Yes it was tough choice for the “Party of Defeat”: the candidate who hangs out with domestic terrorists vs the candidate who pardons them.

  98. *sigh* picked the wrong time to put my stage makeup on obviously…. sorry, Al Ram you’ll have to wait til, um, oh, I should be back around one a.m…. depends on how crowded walmart is when I stop to get dog food.

  99. It does not surprises me that Palin has no ethics and is a bold faced liar along with the fact that some people are willing to believe what she says with no interest in whether it is true. A liar as VP of our country, I hope not.

  100. Al Ram liked it. Because he didn’t bother reading it. Predictable, that.

    Two birds, one stone.

  101. “What was thinking?”

    You tell me Carl

  102. Boldface liar? Is that like an italicized dreamer?

  103. It ought to be an easy matter, if the media actually desired to dig, to question some of Ayers’ Weather Underground companions who did go to jail to find out exactly what kind of actions the guy was involved with. I bet a few of them are pissed that he got off and became a “professor, for god’s sake.”

  104. If Palin has really stated such connection then she should be prosecuted immediatly for inducing into sick minds thoughts that could lead to a tragedy.

    Hey, we’ve got just the guy for the job here in St. Looie. He’s big into anti-O! thoughtcrime.

  105. “A liar as VP of our country, I hope not.”

    You don’t like Joey Hairplugs?

  106. Isn’t she married to someone who joined a fringe political party that wants to secede from the United States?

    That would be Palin Rumor #15: Yes, her husband was once a member of the Alaskan Independence party. No, it doesn’t believe in secession. Yes, that was when the AIP won the Governor’s office with Wally Hickel. No, Alaska didn’t secede.

    Didn’t she attend a church where a literal witchdoctor laid hands on her?

    That one would be Palin Rumor #85: The truth is that she was blessed by a Christian preacher from Africa who had “hunted witches” in Kenya. Once. Three years ago. When he visited her church.

    C’mon, guys, you haven’t broken 100 yet: can’t you come up with original asinine smears?

  107. It would be interesting to find out which sinistrospherian linked this. The overall level of literacy, spelling, etc. indicates that it can’t be Kos, but they’re mostly too verbatim on the talking points for it to be, e.g., Balloon Juice. Yglesias, maybe?

    Regards,
    Ric

  108. Hi Maggie are you buying dog food for the “pitbull with lipsticks”…hahahahahaha!!!!

  109. It’s kinda fun, Ric. Of course, there’s the potential of falling into the trap of thinking all Obamabots are this empty-headed and illiterate. Some are a lot worse.

  110. Ms Palin I am looking for our position on issues. We have had 8 years of Bush. Now you are practicing te same politics. These are serious times. Please raise serious issues. Raise te level of the debate.

  111. Life Long Conservative for Obama

    Kulaks for Stalin!

  112. So the deperate comments from Palin begin. Her stupidity is going to cost McCain any chance of winning the election.

    Palin shouldn’t throw stones. Does anyone remember that Palin associates with known members of a separatist organization that wanted Alaska to secede from the United states ?? In fact, she married one.

    How could we trust her to uphold the US Constitution with that kind of background ??

  113. >>Raise te level of the debate

    Truth hurts, I know.

    There, there. Have a hanky.

  114. Comment by Life Long Conservative for Obama MOBY on 10/4 @ 5:10 pm #

    Fixed that for you.

  115. “Raise te level of the debate.”

    Yes We Can

  116. I’d be more swayed by the “argument”* here if there were more caps lock. I LURV THE CAPS LOCK. It’s just so forceful.

    *I use that term loosely.

  117. I’m just waiting for somebody to mention “swift-boating”, that is, telling uncomfortable truths about a Democratic candidate’s past.

    Where do they get these people? Al Ram is kind of fun, but the rest of them could be replaced by a Perl script.

    Regards,
    Ric

  118. “Yes it was tough choice for the “Party of Defeat”: the candidate who hangs out with domestic terrorists vs the candidate who pardons them.”

    What is the choice of the “Party that never wants a win but claim victory”? What is the victory that they claim? If it is victory in Iraq, we should withdraw from there, right now! Why are we still hollering there??

  119. Welcome, Obama Action Wire visitors!

  120. “Does anyone remember that Palin associates with known members of a separatist organization that wanted Alaska to secede from the United states ?? In fact, she married one.”

    Those “facts” have already been answered @ 110. Go get some original ones.

  121. Jon Peter on 10/4 @ 5:13 pm

    It must take a long time to type your post when you have to sound out each word….see post #110 for pre-refutation of your vacuum-skulled talking point. Maybe we’ll send Carl’s (#100) Ministry of Truth prosecutor out after you.

  122. Its quite simple. The ignorant and hateful comments made by both sides are more of the same. The USA has been divided for 8 years. Does this make sense to anyone. The country is on ther verge of being broke, has a military that is stretched, the world has lost respect for the USA and you want to coninue on this path. Good luck!! China, India, EU prepare to dominate we will soon be saying …”..in the days when the USA was great!

    Just continue on the same path.

  123. Whoa….The great unwashed doucenozzle squad is out in force tonight. Apparently they really understand their wonder boy has a less than exemplary association pool of “friends” and “mentors”.

    – SHOUT DOWN – SHOUT DOWN –

    – Ummmm…. do you think thats going to work loons?

  124. Palin can spread all the lies she wants to, in the end Senators Obama and Biden will be entering the WhiteHouse come Jan 2009. If the Obama campaign wanted to get nasty against her they certainly could. The gounder of a group that Palin courted that professed hatred for the American government, cursed the damn flag.AIP founder Joe Volger made the comments in 1991. Palin has courted the group over the years. She also addressed their convention this year in fact. Her husband Todd was a memeber of the group from 1995-2002. So before she starts spounting off at the mouth she should take a look at herself. And she has a witch doctor chaser laying hands on her so she can get elected.

  125. Welcome, Obama Action Wire visitors!

    Lines are now open on Milt Rosenberg’s show!

  126. “If it is victory in Iraq, we should withdraw from there, right now!”

    How about we withdraw from Germany first? It has only been 63 (this calls for caps)YEARS since victory there.

  127. Wow, this is an impressive infestation!

    Jeff, who the hell linked you?

  128. Sarah was once a leader of Alaskan Secessionist Movement and Sen. McCain has serious Gambling problem.

  129. - So then, we’re coming to you from the Merrick parkway, on the scene of the Obama registration drive….

    – Remember fellow moonbats – vote early – vote often… thank you, thank you

  130. Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. Why don’t you tell the public about Carl H. Lindner Jr.,Oh wait, maybe you haven’t read that article yet. Ask McCain, he knows . Or maybe you can tell us about Tod and his afiliations to the secessionist Alaska Independence Party . Remember Sarah? You know, the one that your husband registered to in 1995. Don’t they hate America? Didn’t they curse the American Flag? Uhm… Oh not, don’t tell me you forgot. Instead explaining what are you guys going to do to fix the economy, or with the Health program, etc. Oh right, maybe that is not important. Maybe I asking unfair questions. Oh, yes, where you the one who say that Couric was asking unfair questions?But I am not asking what you read. Tell us Sarah, is that true that your town charged rape victims for raped kits when you were a Mayor?

  131. Sarah was once a leader of Alaskan Secessionist Movement and Sen. McCain has serious Gambling problem.

    And she turned me into a newt!

  132. OMG, Life Long Conservative! I was a life long liberal. Honest. REally. Life LOOONG. I think I’m gonna call a radio show on monday or something.

    McCain/Palin 08!

  133. “The ignorant and hateful comments made by both sides are more of the same.”

    I can’t help it if Leftist and Islamists use the same talking points about the US

  134. Well, I’d say Palin’s hit the target. The hive doesn’t buzz like like this if you didn’t hit it square.

  135. - Its that 10 point thing. They know their wonder boy is toat if they can’t “get it up”.

    – You look at some of those moonbat skanks, its a wonder anyone that lives within 15 miles of one of them can get it up.

  136. Didn’t she attend a church where a literal witchdoctor laid hands on her?

    A visiting minister from Kenya prayed that she be protected from witchcraft. I suppose you wouldn’t allow no spearchucker shaman in your church, huh?

  137. All these commentators sound like the same person with about 10 sock puppets.

  138. Go Sara Go!!!

    Her are some other items about the ticket she must have seen in the Times:
    Read on:
    A. Ms. Palin does not appear to have made any trade missions since taking office, and former state officials said the state’s trade staff had been reduced under her watch.
    Alaska has also sharply reduced its role in the Northern Forum, an association of state and regional governments from countries including Canada, Russia, Japan and China that works on common issues in northern regions like economic development, flooding and global warming.

    B. Unbelievable. Sarah Palin finished her closing remarks by quoting Ronald Reagan:
    It was Ronald Reagan who said that freedom is always just one generation away from extinction. We don’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream; we have to fight for it and protect it, and then hand it to them so that they shall do the same, or we’re going to find ourselves spending our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children about a time in America, back in the day, when men and women were free.
    When did he say this? It was on a recording he made for Operation Coffeecup — a campaign organized by the American Medical Association to block the passage of Medicare. Doctors’ wives were supposed to organize coffee klatches for patients, where they would play the Reagan recording, which declared that Medicare would lead us to totalitarianism.
    You couldn’t make this stuff up.
    C. At Sarah Palin’s old church in Wasilla, they spoke in tongues. Maybe that’s where she picked it up.
    D. This entire election season has been a long-running saga about the rise of women in American politics. On Thursday, it all went sour. The people boosting Palin’s triumph were not celebrating because she demonstrated that she is qualified to be president if something ever happened to John McCain. They were cheering her success in covering up her lack of knowledge about the things she would have to deal with if she wound up running the country.
    E. But some Republican strategists who once worked for Mr. McCain say that the attacks and false statements have weakened the brand he built over the years as a straight talker who lamented the bitterness of modern politics. More than half of the respondents in a New York Times/CBS News poll said late last month that Mr. McCain spent more time attacking Mr. Obama than explaining what he would do as president
    F. Now comes Ms. Palin, a smiling, bubbly vice-presidential candidate who travels in an alternate language universe. For Ms. Palin, such things as context, syntax and the proximity of answers to questions have no meaning. The Constitution does not state or imply any flexibility in the office of vice president. It gives the vice president no legislative responsibilities other than casting a tie-breaking vote in the Senate when needed and no executive powers at all. The vice president’s constitutional role is to be ready to serve if the president dies or becomes incapacitated.
    Any president deserves a vice president who will be a sound adviser and trustworthy supporter. But the American people also deserve and need a vice president who understands and respects the balance of power — and the limits of his or her own power. That is fundamental to our democracy.
    So far, Ms. Palin has it exactly, frighteningly wrong.

  139. “Sarah was once a leader of Alaskan Secessionist Movement”

    I know why: She wanted to get away from the moonbats.

  140. Its quite simple. The ignorant and hateful comments made by both sides are more of the same. The USA has been divided for 8 years. Does this make sense to anyone. The country is on ther verge of being broke, has a military that is stretched, the world has lost respect for the USA and you want to coninue on this path.

    So sayeth the “Lifelong Conservative for Obama,” who apparently has never heard of the question mark.

  141. Gotta love how they stomp on free speech. hypocrites and morons. every one of them.

    Nazis

    Punks

    Pieces of shit

  142. Commenter #28 – honestly, you’ve got, like, FOUR grammar infractions in the first few sentences alone. Damn. How can you be a witness for O-man writing like that?

    The Messiah will be disappointed. He went to Harvard, you know.

  143. A visiting minister from Kenya prayed that she be protected from witchcraft. I suppose you wouldn’t allow no spearchucker shaman in your church, huh?

    Only if escorted in by Louie Farrakhan and the rest of the Klan with a Tan.

  144. The same racist “joe six packs” replaced the old racist terms, now socially unacceptable, and now put the label as terrorists! Still striking the same old emotions, and same hatred from these “closet” racists. If you run out of this to use to get people to like you try and get them to side with you by striking an old emotion they won’t let go. It is not okay anymore to say “I don’t want a black man to be president” but it is okay to say “I don’t want a TERRORIST to be president!!!”” hmmm… makes you think doesn’t it…?

  145. W…. T…..F…

  146. Who thinks Bob’s comment would play better in all caps?

  147. “Don’t they hate America?”

    – Hmmm….I’ll have to call Wright and ask him.

    (this is just tooooo easy…..lol)

  148. Doctors’ wives were supposed to organize coffee klatches for patients, where they would play the Reagan recording, which declared that Medicare would lead us to totalitarianism.

    It’s well on its way, for the record.

  149. I feel like a chicago talk radio station with a conservative guest.

    WE WILL DROWN OUT YOUR LOGIC WITH THE SHEER POWER OF OUR FEELINGS !!!!

    Free speech for me but not for thee.

  150. well it will certainly get interesting once it breaks that Mccain gave the Vietcong secrets after only a couple of days in captivity.
    Not to mention MUCH more…….
    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/2

  151. The same racist “joe six packs” replaced the old racist terms, now socially unacceptable, and now put the label as terrorists!

    Um, you ever seen Bill Ayers?

  152. You know. I agree. McCain / Palin 08. Bin Laden’s objective was to destroy America’s way of living and strike at the heart of its financial system. Bush was right to go to Afganistan. But you need to know how end wars and win hearts and minds. Thus becoming hateful and ignoring the rest of the world and being intolerant has the the USA to where it is. The reponse to hate was hate. What conservative does this? You say you believe in good and evil and perpetuate evil.

    McCain / Palin ’08 -MORE PAIN!!!

  153. The same racist “joe six packs” replaced the old racist terms, now socially unacceptable, and now put the label as terrorists!

    Oh, Jeff has got to take this one on.

  154. You know, thinkingwithabrain or whatever the hell stupid sn you’ve chosen … I’m wondering if terrorists have the same lock-step support among terrorists that O! gets among blacks. Because that would be, like, AWESOME. 95% baby!

  155. Naw, Matt, they just show the world what they’re really like. Its cool, in its way. Let the freak flags fly!

    So we can aim better.

  156. “How about we withdraw from Germany first? It has only been 63 (this calls for caps)YEARS since victory there.”

    we don’t have the forces of invasion level there now! who is saying we won’t even have residual force in Iraq?

    The trillion dollar question now is, when can we claim victory now?! Why Palin and McCain want to claim it now and yet don’t want to withdraw.

  157. Who left the troll bait out again?

  158. in how many presidential attempts has McCain been vetted. The lefties don’t understand, its why the GOP picked him. We know everything there is to know about McCain and he’s still standing.

    Teflon John ?

    Nah, its embarassing. I don’t like him that much but I dislike socialist community organizers alot more.

  159. You know. I agree. McCain / Palin 08. Bin Laden’s objective was to destroy America’s way of living and strike at the heart of its financial system. Bush was right to go to Afganistan. But you need to know how end wars and win hearts and minds. Thus becoming hateful and ignoring the rest of the world and being intolerant has the the USA to where it is. The reponse to hate was hate.

    I knew we should have deployed Leo Buscaglia to Tora Bora.

  160. Oooo, a swarm of maggots! Ayers name is indeed the sweet putrefaction that attracts.

    (Oh,  Al Ram — that hospital you can see from your window — is that where they do those horrible things to you?  How many blog posts do you have to make to avoid the next horrible needle that suctions your sensibilities? Keep going dude, we feel for you, man!)

    Back to the topic: We need to hear from the heroic radical reformer of capitalist education. Free Bill Ayers to speak truth to power!

  161. get interesting once it breaks that Mccain gave the Vietcong secrets after only a couple of days in captivity.
    Not to mention MUCH more…….

    Oh, for fucks sake. but, you know, she read it in Rolling Stone!

  162. ““I don’t want a black man to be president” but it is okay to say “I don’t want a TERRORIST to be president!!!”” hmmm… makes you think doesn’t it…?”

    Yes it does: I don’t want: a muslim, who wasn’t born in the US, that hangs around with terrorists, to be President.

  163. One thing to be said for drafts: These kinds of fkrs die in large numbers when you do that.

  164. - Yes, well you see America’s “terrorists”, are the Lefts fuck-headed hero’s.

    – So that one is tutorial.

    – But they do perform like trained monkeys, you have to give them that.

  165. I was so for Obma until i saweth Palins comments. Obama really hangs out with terorisths? OMG i can no longer vote for tis man. McCain palin 08

  166. “well it will certainly get interesting once it breaks that Mccain gave the Vietcong secrets after only a couple of days in captivity.”

    Why would you Communists complain about that?

  167. Check out Media Matters to see McCain’s own link to G. Gordon Liddy. Sara Palin and the McCain campaign need to look into their own hearts before they start casting stones.
    The link is: http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004?f=h_popular

  168. ummm….carin…why don’t you read the rolling stone article…cause the rest of the country sure will within a couple of weeks…pretty meticulously researched…LOL…

  169. Comment by dre on 10/4 @ 5:29 pm #

    ““I don’t want a black man to be president”

    Now we are being honest. That I respect. Debate over. Punish the country. Never consider issues. Vote only on the color of a man’s skin.

  170. “But you need to know how end wars and win hearts and minds.”

    Nuke ‘em

  171. hey dre,

    hi friend….I’m not a communist though. I’m sorry I accidentally ended up on the hate blog.

  172. Look like sarah and mcclain is at it again. For someone who refuse to go back to alaska to court she really have some nerves. She is so low that she uses her family hoping that she can fool women to be on her side. She is not the only one who have a child with disabilty nor is she is the only to work and take of her children. There is a lot of single parents female as well as two parent families working everyday and they are not all sitting behind a desk trying to figure out what lie to tell next.

    It is good that she can go to soccer games with her children she do have a help mate to help her out. If she had to do some real hard work in the real world then she can brag until then she need to keep that to herself. She probably is looking in the want ads for nanny so then she can really be free.

    I am afraid that mcclain is going to lead sarah down a path that will be hard for her to get back on the right track. When she start playing dirty pool she must remember that it will come back on her and she will not have the right to cry like a baby. If you play with fire you will surely get burned.

  173. Check out Media Matters…

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

  174. The same racist “joe six packs” replaced the old racist terms,

    And there it is…

  175. - Hell, while we’re at it we might as well nuke Frisco from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

  176. This sounds like the O!’s internet spamming squad has been given a new mission. Jeff you have my sympathies.

  177. “The trillion dollar question now is, when can we claim victory now? why are we still giving money to people with shitty credit? “

  178. It is not okay anymore to say “I don’t want a black man to be president”

    We are quoting one of your fellow trolls dumbass. You know, one of the same ones attacking Palin for letting an African witch doctor touch her?

  179. “Check out Media Matters to see McCain’s own link to G. Gordon Liddy”

    I like the G-man. His show is very entertaining.

  180. “But you need to know how end wars and win hearts and minds.”

    Nuke ‘em

    Wow, dre for President. I now see that is good foreign policy.

  181. Hey will one of you guys tell me which nutjob leftist website linked here?

  182. - Doesn’t matter what you call yourself “Karen”. If you’re on the O! team, you’re anti-American. (probably a skank too if you’re even really a fem.)

  183. Boy Howdy! What a fine testament to the intellectual left this thread is!

  184. I wonder how much nObama’s campaign pays these trolls? Probably too little as he’s not getting quality trolling for his money. Perhaps he’s outsourcing to a country where trolls come cheap?

  185. Well, Karen, between what I learn on “The View” and “People Magazine” … plus Bill Maher’s show … it’s hard to keep up with all those excellent sources for political information.

  186. Why does Obama associate with a racist church for 20 years? How could someone do that?

  187. I wonder where nishi and thor and Barrett are about now? You all need to come on out and welcome your new allies!

  188. “why are we still giving money to people with shitty credit?”

    ask McCain. He just voted for it.

  189. It is not okay anymore to say “I don’t want a black man to be president” but it is okay to say “I don’t want a TERRORIST to be president!!!”” hmmm… makes you think doesn’t it…?

    No.

  190. “Comment by Life Long Conservative for Obama on 10/4 @ 5:33 pm #”

    Fucking liar:
    #

    Comment by thinkingwithabrain on 10/4 @ 5:24 pm #

    The same racist “joe six packs” replaced the old racist terms, now socially unacceptable, and now put the label as terrorists! Still striking the same old emotions, and same hatred from these “closet” racists. If you run out of this to use to get people to like you try and get them to side with you by striking an old emotion they won’t let go. It is not okay anymore to say “I don’t want a black man to be president” but it is okay to say “I don’t want a TERRORIST to be president!!!”” hmmm… makes you think doesn’t it…?

    #

    Comment by dre on 10/4 @ 5:29 pm #

    ““I don’t want a black man to be president” but it is okay to say “I don’t want a TERRORIST to be president!!!”” hmmm… makes you think doesn’t it…?”

    Yes it does: I don’t want: a muslim, who wasn’t born in the US, that hangs around with terrorists, to be President.

  191. - It shows you how closely the Left monitors Classic Liberal sites though.

    – TRVTH TO POWER BSHBSH!!!!111eleventyone!!!11

  192. I wonder how much nObama’s campaign pays these trolls?

    Angel dust, apparently.

  193. This is great!!

    I was waiting for the quality mud slinging to begin and having the Alaska centerfold leading the charge is too good to be true.

  194. Did Obama speak at a grade school yesterday?

  195. Do you want a muslim born in the USA?

  196. So, did Sarah win the debate, or what?

  197. Hey will one of you guys tell me which nutjob leftist website linked here?

    I don’t know, but they sure know how to cut and paste. Then again, those “special” children on the little yellow schools buses can do the same thing …

  198. These fine folks are over from CNN.

    Perhaps we should ask them about CNN’s “operational ties” to the late Saddam Hussein’s regime.

  199. Actually, Life Long Conservative is starting to grow on me. So cute.

    LLC, grass is green. The fellow who sold you the mauve and cerise Astroturf® was having you on.

    Regards,
    Ric

  200. Did Obama speak at a grade school yesterday?

    I was guessing mental institution.

  201. “If she had to do some real hard work in the real world then she can brag until then she need to keep that to herself. ”

    So you know how to do commercial fishing in the Pacific ocean?

  202. When you live in a cheap cut glass house, you can’t even through pebbles at someone else. Palin and her thuggish husband are disobeying court ordered subpoenas in Alaska; yet, she wants to be the vice president of this Country. If you can’t obey the very law of the land you want to be the second top executive in, you should not have the audacity to try and throw dirt at someone else while you are LITERALLY breaking the law. It is a known fact that Palin, her husband, and other subordinates of the governor’s administration in Alaska have continuously ignored the subpoenas. Anyone else in America would be arrested if they did not obey the summons.

    Everyone wants to say Obama is scary; you better watch the Alaskan-wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing-Palin. My intuition is pretty good; I know that I am correct regarding this woman. Sarah Palin is a great “pretender” who will be revealed prior to executive election day 2008.

    This simplistic eye-winking, wise-cracking, deceptive millionaire is definitely not a “joe-six pack”.

    A deciever, she definitely is.

  203. CNN? So, they’re not just pretending to be brain dead.

  204. “Do you want a muslim born in the USA?”

    Only if they are former muslims.

  205. - No. I want an American born in the US to br President. Let your wonder boy go be Chancellor of Germany or something. They love Socialists over there.

  206. Perhaps we should ask them about CNN’s “operational ties” to the late Saddam Hussein’s regime.

    Shhh, don’t use logic around moonbats! You might cause a catastrophic meltdown, with patchouli and cheeto fumes flying everywhere …

  207. Throw Jane. They don’t even SOUND the same. You are dismissed.

  208. Comment by Jeff G. on 10/4 @ 5:42 pm #
    These fine folks are over from CNN.
    Perhaps we should ask them about CNN’s “operational ties” to the late Saddam Hussein’s regime.

    These are the same people that are over at the Politico every day. I honestly think they are a paid part of the astroturf campaign. Nobody could be this stupid and this filled with the same cut and paste hacky shit, let alone 20 people.

  209. Millionaire, Jane? You are too stupid to vote. Honestly.

  210. Nice chat guys. We should never have a problem disagreeing but bein nasty and for no good reaso well……

  211. Al Ram

    Pass the syrup, Al.

    Dingleberry, please.

  212. Really, Jane. I think on the first Tuesday in November they are having KILLER sales at Target. I think you should get in line early, and stay there ALL DAY. Your nation will thank you.

  213. “My intuition is pretty good; I know that I am correct regarding this muslim woman. Barak Hussein Obama Sarah Palin is a great “pretender” who will be revealed prior to executive election day 2008.

  214. Wow, Jeff must have struck a nerve, judging from the moby’s and shriekers that have wandered in. Or is it just thor trying to dodge the Trollhammer?

  215. These people are only here to prevent rational discussion and dialog. They have already accomplished their job at CNN so I guess they want to spread their viral form of stupidity here.

  216. Millionaire, Jane? You are too stupid to vote. Honestly.

    It is no coincidence the Democrats are always the ones fighting any kind of voter reform, they literally depend on morons to get elected.

    Well, morons and cheating.

  217. Only a racist would criticize a Kenyan whose spiritual worldview runs a little counter to American sensibilities

  218. These people are only here to prevent rational discussion and dialog.

    Pooh-flingers, just like any primate in a zoo.

  219. McCain/Palin evidently see terrorists everywhere. Perhaps that explains why the McCain campaign sent Ed O’Callaghan, top NY prosecutor for terrorism, to Anchorage weeks ago to try to halt the Legislative investigation of abuse of power against our aw-shucks governor. Their attempt has now reached the AK Supreme Court who will rule Thursday. Their argument: the legislative branch cannot investigate the executive branch. (Seems they are unfamiliar with “balance of power” being fundamental to democracy.)

    Sarah, your constituents are holding you accountable. Alaskans expect you to keep your promise of open and transparent government. We want PLAIN TRUTH, not PALIN TRUTH. Trying to circumvent Alaska’s Constitution with an anti-terrorist attack dog and a team of far-right Liberty Legal lawyers from Texas is a strong indication that you have something to hide. Time to come clean. Alaska, and America, deserve better.

  220. Ha, these are getting more and more amusing. They’re just ohhhh so convincing …

  221. My intuition is pretty good; I know that I am correct regarding this woman.

    So Jane, you…

    Nah, too easy.

    Jane, since you have good intuitions, and the subject came up already, what is your take on Obamas ties with Ayres, Rezko, and Wright?

    Since you have such strong feelings about Sarah Palins past, do you concern yourself at all with Obamas past?

  222. - Hey, even the moonbats serve a purpose. The glow from their peanut sized heads illuminate the grass for evening parties, so no one trips over the lawn furniture.

  223. Like we all didn’t know already, but Palin just solidifies with these reckless remarks the fact that she is nothing more than a political whore for the McCain Campaign. There are obviously no depths that are too low for her to sink in her quest for power!

  224. McCain/Palin evidently see terrorists everywhere.

    And Obama sees them in his neighborhood. And at work. Funny, that.

  225. “There are obviously no depths that are too low for her to sink in her quest for power!”

    Hahahah. Yes joining the PTA was only the first part of her plan for world domination ala Dick Cheney.

  226. How DARE she point out that Obama and Ayers have a working relationship! THAT’S NOT HOW WE HAVE WRITTEN THE NARRATIVE OF HOPE AND CHANGE!

  227. “Sarah, your constituents are holding you accountable. ”

    Yea I know she doesn’t get the 99% approval rating like Saddam and Fidel but 65% ain’t bad. Come on SanFranNan only gets 9%.

  228. There are obviously no depths that are too low for her to sink in her quest for power!

    The irony of this statement coming from an nObama supporter is astounding.

  229. Some of these folks really need to be hit upside the head with a dictionary and a thesaurus.

  230. “There are obviously no depths that are too low for her to sink in her quest for power!”

    – Jeez, I had no idea she was that passionate politically.

    – Now I may have to vote for her twice!

  231. surprise,surprise,just when you thought that the repooblicans actually was going to lose this election in an honorable manner,they just prove barack obama right about what he was saying about there old political tactics.talk about not looking back gov palin ha,lets see how you would do in a real debate when you don’t have the answers on hand.let’s have some substance please,tell the people actually what you intend to do for the country enough of the cheap attack’s crap.

  232. I’ve never seen so many people getting frisch-fried in my life…

  233. “Comment by Asheville Guy on 10/4 @ 5:53 pm #

    Like we all didn’t know already, but Palin just solidifies with these reckless remarks the fact that she is nothing more than a political whore for the McCain Campaign”

    So that makes Joey Hairplugs a whoreman?

  234. These people are only here to prevent rational discussion and dialog.

    That, and to be T-Balls.

    Swing away, Mr. Pink.

  235. CNN.com is really proving it is the home of the most rational people on the internet.

  236. Palin and her thuggish husband are disobeying court ordered subpoenas in Alaska

    Ding, ding, wrong! Governor and first dude Palin are cooperating with the independent counsel appointed by the State Personnel Board, where this particular political partisan witchhunt complaint belongs.

  237. “talk about not looking back gov palin ha,lets see how you would do in a real debate when you don’t have the answers on hand.let’s have some substance please,tell the people actually what you intend to do for the country enough of the cheap attack’s crap.”

    I like Barak Hussein Obama’s earpiece in the last debate. Does he get the answer from Axelrod or are you guys texting him?

  238. CNN.com is really proving it is the home of the most rational people on the internet.

    Yes, indeed. Their intellectual acumen is something to behold.

  239. The New York Times is a liberal rag with a liberal agenda. The truth being Obama did indeed have fairly close relationship to this home grown terrorist and in fact Ayers started Obama’s political career in his very own living room! I’d say that’s pretty cozy.

  240. let’s have some substance please,tell the people actually what you intend to do for the country enough of the cheap attack’s crap.

    So this is what panic smells like. Kinda like flopsweat.

  241. - They must all be newbies.

    – Thread-jacking is done by changing the topic moonbats.

    – Emphasizing the terrible, anti-American associations of your empty suit candidate is not the way its done.

    – Get it?

  242. This is exciting. Palin must be drawing blood big-time. That’s the only reason these useful idiots are attacking. Never occurs to any of them that this is the kind of brutish action typical of fascism. None of them were alive when it was defeated the first time. We’ll defeat it a second time, if necessary. make no mistake.

    The only difference between the Obamabots and the Nazis are that they’re not wearing uniforms–yet. Fascist thugs, all of you. Like a pack of rabid dogs. Fuck you. Your parent would be ashamed of you.

  243. These people sound like the 40 plus Obama troll squad on the Politico. Cut and paste away guys I do hope you get paid more than minimum wage. Derailing a comment thread on ProteinWisdom is surely worth every penny.

  244. Comment by dre on 10/4 @ 5:58 pm #

    “Comment by Asheville Guy on 10/4 @ 5:53 pm #

    Like we all didn’t know already, but Palin just solidifies with these reckless remarks the fact that she is nothing more than a political whore for the McCain Campaign”

    So that makes Joey Hairplugs a whoreman?

    I don’t see Biden out slandering McCain, so no, I wouldn’t say that.

    Someone please put this witch back on the first dogsled to Wasilla. Oh no, wait, she’s already been excorcised, so she can’t be a witch.

  245. CNN? So, they’re not just pretending to be brain dead.

    Yeah, I’m thinking the hostility these types initially showed toward Trig must have been IQ envy.

  246. So this is what panic smells like. Kinda like flopswea”t.

    I love the smell of panicked trolls in the evening. It smells like … victory …”

  247. Crapolanche!!

  248. Like we all didn’t know already, but Palin just solidifies with these reckless remarks the fact that she is nothing more than a political whore for the McCain Campaign. There are obviously no depths that are too low for her to sink in her quest for power!

    So remember, kiddies, hobnobbing with Pentagon-bombers is A-OK, but pointing out that someone is hobnobbing with Pentagon-bombers is just beyond the pale.

  249. I wonder, with McCain’s ties to the Keating 5, why on earth does he insist on launching a smear campaign? Surely, if he were rational (which I doubt), he would recognize the danger there. Obama is not going to stoop that low, but if he did, the Republican base would have to look very carefully at the last financial bailout and McCain’s role in it…including criminal charges.
    No, Obama will win this election. The American people are not foolish enough to fall for the misguided, low-life diversions that the McCain/Palin participants seem to think will get them elected.

  250. Welcome “Camp Obama” graduates.

    We welcome you as you work off your indentured servitude to your lord and savior.

    We hope they have provided a comfortable couch for you to sleep on, or at least a warm spot next to the furnace.

  251. “I don’t see Biden out slandering McCain, so no, I wouldn’t say that”

    You didn’t watch the last VP debate then.

  252. Mr. Whoopsie:

    Actually, panicked trolls smells like a whole bunch of poo. Annoying, but after realizing what causes it I suppose one can take a grim satisfaction from its existence.

    (Yes, I know. Text doesn’t really smell, and thank whatever deities are out there that web browsers don’t offer olfactory options.)

  253. Comment by Mr. Pink on 10/4 @ 6:03 pm #

    These people sound like the 40 plus Obama troll squad on the Politico. Cut and paste away guys I do hope you get paid more than minimum wage. Derailing a comment thread on ProteinWisdom is surely worth every penny.

    I don’t need to cut and paste because I can think on my feet – unlike Palin who must cut from one contrived, rehearsed speech and paste to another in the next town.

  254. It looks like Sarah’s little mind ran out of things to talk about. The weather underground! Give me a break! Tomorrow she will tell us about Obama’s car mechanis’s mother, who had a friend who had a neighbor who once met the illegitimate daughter of Adolph Hitler. That surely proves once and for all Obama must must be a Nazi. Where do the republicans dig up these people. I knew they would have to search far and wide for another moron like Bush, and sure enough, in a far away land to the North called Alaska, there sat another. God help us all.

  255. “Comment by Jacque on 10/4 @ 6:06 pm #

    I wonder, with McCain’s ties to the Keating 5″

    He’s BIPARTISAN Obamabots. The other 4 were DEMORATS

  256. CNN thor, there you go. The women will throw themselves at you, the men will name their members after you. You will truly reach the Godhood you desire.

  257. The fact that these people represent the typical Obama voter is what is significant to me. Our education system has failed them in basic English and critical thinking skills. Some blame can be place on their parents though.

  258. I wonder, with McCain’s ties to the Keating 5, why on earth does he insist on launching a smear campaign?

    Probably because, while he was found to have been imprudend in the K5 affair, he didn’t actually do anything wrong or criminal (like the other four, Democrats all).

  259. Actually, panicked trolls smells like a whole bunch of poo.

    The kind of pooh one is struck with after an evening’s worth of hard-boiled eggs and cheap beer.

  260. LMAO.

    Man, dose people totally underestimated the denizens of dancing armadillo paradise.

    (I just adore alliteration. Can’t ya tell?)

  261. MaCain and Palin two pathetic idiots.

  262. “…wonder, with McCain’s ties to the Keating 5…”

    – You’re falling behind on the talking points script moonloon. A Dem talking head tried that screed on FOX and just got his ass handed to him.

    – Try harder.

  263. “The American people are not foolish enough to fall for the misguided, low-life diversions that the Barack Hussein Obama/Joey Hairplugs McCain/Palin participants seem to think will get them elected.

  264. I don’t need to cut and paste because I can think on my feet…

    And I am sure your feet are fascinating, but you need to be thinking on what you are fixing to say because that was pretty lame, dude.

  265. - Try harder.

    You can’t expect too much from them, as I’m sure they’re only getting minimum wage for their trolling efforts.

  266. Wonder when they’ll reach the bargaining phase. (I.e., “Okay, Ayers did some naughty things in the past, BUT…”)

  267. So remember, kiddies, hobnobbing with Pentagon-bombers is A-OK, but pointing out that someone is hobnobbing with Pentagon-bombers is just beyond the pale.

    And please, kiddies, take this heartfelt plea back to OHQ:

    Free Bill Ayers! The world is waiting to hear from him! The oceans will recede, the planets will heal, things might blow up, but he will speak blinding, scintillating truth for the ages!

  268. “I don’t need to cut and paste because I can think on my feet – unlike Palin who must cut from one contrived, rehearsed speech and paste to another in the next town.”

    – That will serve you well junior, when your mommy makes you stand in the corner for voting for a soft M:arxist.

  269. Let’s recap, shall we:

    – Bill Ayers, Pentagon-bomber
    – Bernadine Dohrn – fellow bomber and Manson enthusiast
    – Jeremiah Wright – a devout man of “God damn Amerikkka”
    – New Party – commies, socialists and other hard-left cretins
    – Tony Rezko – swindler
    – James Johnson – plunderer of Fannie Mae and Countrywide
    – Franklin Raines – also a plunderer of Fannie Mae

    I think the portrait of an O!ministration is getting clearer every day.

  270. The best thing about this troll invasion is knowing that their heads will be exploding when McCain is declared the winner on Election Day. Oh, to be one of the numerous flies on their walls that night!

  271. Can you feel it? It’s the sweet, sweet spirit of unity and hope that Obama inspires.

  272. Jeebus Christmas, when did the trolls start taking meth? In any case, when the good ship Obama sinks this November I will be having a very nice dinner party; consider this an invitation to all moonbats present. I will have a nice cyanide-laced kool-aid and a double wide hole in the backyard so you can depart this wretched O!-less world in the company of comrades. I’ll of course be having a nice double malt.

  273. Lee, that made me laugh so hard I think I just had an aneurysm …

  274. Smear (n; vtr) = a truism that we don’t want mentioned, alluded to, or in any other way referenced or revealed.; the act of making such truism public at the expense of a desire to keep it hidden.

    From the Merriam-Webster Democrat Dictionary of Revised Meanings to Fit our Ends, 2nd ed.

  275. - Its a shame they probably won’t hang around long when they see how fast they get panced.

    – Gawd gave us the Moonbat gaggle for our amusement.

  276. From the Merriam-Webster Democrat Dictionary of Revised Meanings to Fit our Ends, 2nd ed.

    Edited by Winston Smith.

  277. I’ll bet every single one of you misguided individuals defending Palin voted for Bush in the last two elections too. Didn’t you all learn that the most important lesson in studying history is to prevent us from making the same mistakes over and over again???? Are you really better off than you were 8 years ago???

  278. Sorry, but you’re underestimating the intelligence of the majority of Americans with articles like this. As soon as palin uttered her first”rehearsed” words, most of America had already decided who they were voting for. After the convention it became clearer to some independents or undecided voters that Palin is not ready, willing or able to run the country. 1/4 of US presidents have been “promoted” through the VP slot, so she was NOT the right choice of a 72 year old cancer survivor. Palin waited too late to try and speak to “America”. She’s got a few Reagan voters, but no one with more than a college degree and a good job…Someone currently under investigation for abuse of power and tries to play the Washington outsider has no place in the lower 48…No way, no McPalin..She should try and sell herself on eBay..The American public is too wise and there are too many important issues at stake for someone who talks about pitbulls, hockey moms and winks every 2-3 mins, to be sending or kids to Iraq. She couldn’t even tell K Couric which newspapers she reads or Supreme Court decisions she disagrees with…SORRY..not being that lemon..

  279. I would like the MEDIA to do their job with integrity. Why MEDIA has been ignored this fact. BE AWARE is rather than BE ATTACHED. Sep 11th is a good lesson for all American. Do not wait until it’s too late. This country is our, so MEDIA (Left or right ) please be HONEST with American.

  280. I’ll bet every single one of you misguided individuals defending Palin voted for Bush in the last two elections too.

    I’ll bet you are wrong. About pretty much everything it would appear.

  281. paragraphs, punctuation, and spacing must be foreign concepts in the realm of the moonbat.

  282. Thank you for that analysis of the American public, #282. Just disregard her every utterance, k?

  283. Whoops, how ironic!

  284. “Are you really better off than you were 8 years ago???”

    Yes I own 4 rentals instead of 1

  285. Whoopsies: They aren’t interested in communication, just noise.

    Chaff and flares. Accusation, counter-accusation. Anything to divert attention from uncomfortable facts.

  286. “As soon as palin uttered her first”rehearsed” words, most of America had already decided who they were voting for.”

    – Obviously. How could we be so foolish.

    – THAT must be why you’re taking such a layed back attitude. No problem. For a moment there I thought you might be worried.

  287. Sorry, but you’re underestimating the intelligence of the majority of Americans with articles like this.

    LMFAO! Have you read this thread, Harrison? It would be impossible to underestimate the intelligence of your tribe. We will see if you are the majority in November.

  288. “so MEDIA (Left or right ) please be HONEST with American.

  289. She couldn’t even tell K Couric which newspapers she reads…

    FAIL!

  290. Comment by B Moe on 10/4 @ 6:21 pm #

    \I’ll bet you are wrong. About pretty much everything it would appear.

    I would be willing to wage my-now-worthless 401K on that bet ; )

  291. These fine folks are over from CNN.

    Explains a lot, including why none of them seems familiar with the current Talking Points. Therefore a new acronym: ZIF = “Zero Information Voter”.

    Regards,
    Ric

  292. “As soon as palin uttered her first”rehearsed” words…

    Because Obama never rehearses anything, totally improv, like jazz campaigning. Those people are naturals at that sort of thing, you know.

  293. Stop picking on them, Sean M. Fake but accurate is all the rage these days in the Humanities.

    Plus, they feel. ISN’T THAT ENOUGH?

  294. - So let me see if I have this straight. Palin is a total (fill in the garbage mouth here), so she can’t possibly beat CandyMan.

    – BUT!

    – How dare the NYT run an article like that, even mentioning the wonder boys nefarious associations.

    – I MEAN THE BLASPHEMY!

    – That about it. that all you got loons?

  295. I didn’t vote for Bush in either election, voted Libertarian in 2000 and not at all in 04.

    Give me an email and I will tell you where to send the money.

  296. When McCain agrees with a Bimbo and racist redneck like Palin saying garbage like that instead of talking about solutions on; economy, mortgage crises, healthcare, education and war it shows the end of the era for Republicans. As a white man leaving in the South I know that for red necks a bimbo like Palin with no brain is better than a color-man with Harvard education.
    Wake up red necks, we are not going to let you win this time, we have more people, we are more motivated and much more angry than you are and if it needs to come to the force we will tear you apart.

  297. RACIST!! Our Lord and Savior rehearsed every “uh, er and um” in this brilliant speech!!

  298. Because Obama never rehearses anything, totally improv, like jazz campaigning.

    Those skills will come in handy as he looks for new employment after losing the election.

  299. I’m more frightened now than ever, after this.

    BRING BACK THE POLL TAX! FOR FREEDOM!

  300. Stop picking on them, Sean M.

    NEVAR!!!1!1!!eleventy!

  301. Well, gee. Let’s see how well things are going in Barack’s home town.

    At least it’s not Wasilla, eh?

  302. Comment by B Moe on 10/4 @ 6:27 pm #

    I didn’t vote for Bush in either election, voted Libertarian in 2000 and not at all in 04.

    Give me an email and I will tell you where to send the money
    OK – I concede on that point, BUT you obviously didn’t get the “now worthless” part though.

  303. Ashville guy, you’re really going to bet B Moe that everyone here voted for Bush twice?

    Can I get in on that action too?

  304. …we are more motivated and much more angry than you are and if it needs to come to the force we will tear you apart.

    All right! Now we are getting down to it!

    We are smarter and better armed than your are Adam and if you fuck with me I will blow your fucking head off.

  305. BRING BACK THE POLL TAX! FOR FREEDOM!

    How about one of those simple exercises used by scientists to test the intelligence of great apes? If they can press the proper symbols, they’re allowed to vote. If they choose incorrectly, a mild electric shock … and perhaps a boot to the head.

  306. NO!Obamiacs (QUOTE #6) SHE IS NOT A RACIST…JUST DESPERATE!

  307. As a white man leaving in the South I know that for red necks a bimbo like Palin with no brain is better than a color-man with Harvard education. Wake up red necks, we are not going to let you win this time, we have more people, we are more motivated and much more angry than you are and if it needs to come to the force we will tear you apart.

    A “color-man”? So does that mean Biden will be doing the play-by-play?

    I knew it.

    WE’VE BEEN HOODWINKED! BAMBOOZLED! WE DIDN’T LAND ON PLYMOUTH ROCK — PLYMOUTH ROCK LANDED ON US REDNECKS!

  308. When you’ve got nothing to offer like McCain/Palin you have to resort to desperate lies hoping ignorant people will buy it, well good luck, I think even not so sharp people are hip to and sick of this regurgitated BS.

  309. At least it’s not Wasilla, eh?

    I hear they got some rape kits for sale. I ordered one and am goin’ a-rapin’ soon as I git it.

  310. Can I get in on that action too?

    Me, too. That’s some easy money.

  311. …you obviously didn’t get the “now worthless” part though.

    I got that you were a liar and a cheat, that goes with the territory.

  312. Didn’t you all learn that the most important lesson in studying history is to prevent us from making the same mistakes over and over again????

    Ah, but grasshopper, history didn’t begin eight years ago (when you were 10 or so, perhaps). Presidential elections began in this nation  (the United States of America, if you’re in doubt) in  1789. Look it up. You will be quzzed.

    Hint: George W. Bush can’t serve a third term. (Bonus points if you get that one right.)

  313. “As a Barack Hussein Obamabotwhite man leaving in the South I know that for red necks a bimbo like Barack Hussein ObamaPalin with no brain is better than a Moose Hunter and Governorcolor-man with Harvard education.

  314. When McCain agrees with a Bimbo and racist redneck like Palin saying garbage like that instead of talking about solutions on; economy, mortgage crises, healthcare, education and war…

    The irony, it threatens to open up a black hole and swallow up the earth.

  315. Palin, a racist? Didn’t she marry herself a full-blood injun? One like Ward Churchill?

  316. “….and if it needs to come to the force we will tear you apart.

    - *Cha-clack*: The sound of millions of redneck guns being locked and loaded.

    – I reeeeally don’t think you want to go there junior. *snort*

    – You think you’ve seen angry, you ain’t seen shit.

  317. A “color-man”? So does that mean Biden will be doing the play-by-play?

    Now that sounds like a bi-partisan compromise I can get behind. McCain/Palin gets the White House, Obama/Biden take over Monday Night Football. Win/Win the way I see it.

    And send Kornhiser to negotiate with Iran. A one-way ticket.

  318. “paragraphs, punctuation, and spacing must be foreign concepts in the realm of the moonbat.”

    Spell-check isn’t in that reality either. Too oppressive. Lots of that capitalism virus though.

  319. “When you’ve got nothing to offer like Barack Hussein Obama/ Joey HairplugsMcCain/Palin you have to resort to desperate lies hoping ignorant people will buy it, well good luck, I think even not so sharp people are hip to and sick of this regurgitated BS.”

  320. Insty has a link to this post by Stanley Kurtz:

    A CNN article on Sarah Palin’s criticism of Barack Obama’s relationship to unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers actually cites National Review as one of the publications supposedly debunking Palin’s point. How CNN can cite National Review this way is a mystery to me. Maybe we’ll have to set up an NR “truth squad.”

    I was very briefly on CNN immediately after the McCain campaign called for me to be given access to UIC library. A CNN reporter interviewed me, and almost every question was an attempt to challenge the significance of the Obama-Ayers link. I answered every query in detail. When the report finally aired, my points about the significance of the Obama-Ayers connection were cut. And now, CNN is actually claiming NR as an ally in its effort to undercut Palin. Incredible.

  321. One like Ward Churchill?

    His Indian name is ‘Looks like a Wasp’ …

  322. For some reason this video came to mind while viewing the various visitors from lovely CNN-land.

  323. Comment by B Moe on 10/4 @ 6:33 pm #

    …you obviously didn’t get the “now worthless” part though.

    I got that you were a liar and a cheat, that goes with the territory.
    Jeez dude! Lighten up! I was just trying to be friendly. Believe it or not – I have friends who are McCain supporters – going biking with one tomorrow. Must be some real concern about what’s going to transpire in November here…

  324. Noticable by their absence in an Obama administration will be Ayers girlfiend (oops, I’ll leave the typo) Diana Oughton who died on March 6, 1970, in New York City along with Terry Robbins and Ted Gold, when a bomb they were constructing did the right thing.
    Fight the Power

  325. Grow the heck up Palin,
    Stick to the issues I am getting to old for this crap!

  326. Pretty bold statement from a person who didn’t have the guts to say it at the debate.

  327. Pretty bold statement from a person who didn’t have the guts to say it at the debate.

    Good point, Jen, I think Palin should have hit Senator Chia Pet right between the eyes with that one.

  328. GWB may not be perfect, but the stature of his legacy is inversely proportional to Clinton’s, i.e. Gdubs becomes a Truman in the eyes of history while Clinton’s dawdling after Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania, Khobar Towers, Tarnak Farms-Afghanistan (cf. the attempts to block ‘The path to 9/11) reflects quite poorly. 28 out of the last 40 years have been under Republican presidents. The electoral map hasn’t changed significantly from 2004, the ‘October Surprise’ of Obama’s rapport with terrorists comes out, and here at pw, we have the apoplectic Obamabots. Who exactly is nervous here?

  329. Hmmm, the run-on paragraph starters seem to have left. Time for the two-sentence relief trolls.

  330. Pretty bold statement from a person who didn’t have the guts to say it at the debate.

    Funny, I don’t remember Gwen Ifill bringing up Bill Ayers.

  331. Worth quoting in full:

    NYT’s Ayers-Obama Whitewash [Stanley Kurtz]

    As others have noted, today’s New York Times carries a story on the relationship between Barack Obama and unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist, Bill Ayers. The piece serves as a platform for the Obama campaign and Obama’s friends and allies. Obama’s spokesman and supporters’ names are named and their versions of events are presented in detail, with quotes. Yet the article makes no serious attempt to present the views of Obama critics who have worked to uncover the true nature of the relationship. That makes this piece irresponsible journalism, and an obvious effort by the former paper of record to protect Obama from the coming McCain onslaught.

    The title of the article when it first appeared on the web last night was, “Obama Had Met Ayers, but the Two Are Not Close.” That was quickly changed to, “Obama and the ‘60’s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths.” Perhaps the first headline made the paper’s agenda a bit too obvious. Even so, the new title simply parrots the line of Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt that the two first met through an early “education project” and since have simply “encountered each other occasionally in public life or in the neighborhood.” Or, as New York Times reporter Scott Shane puts it at the head of his article, since an initial lunchtime meeting in 1995, “their paths have crossed sporadically…at a coffee Mr. Ayers hosted for Mr. Obama’s first run for office, on the schools project (i.e. the Chicago Annenberg Challenge) and a charitable board, and in casual encounters as Hyde Park neighbors.”

    There is nothing “sporadic” about Barack Obama delivering hundreds of thousands of dollars over a period of many years to fund Bill Ayers’ radical education projects, not to mention many millions more to benefit Ayers’ radical education allies. We are talking about a substantial and lengthy working relationship here, one that does not depend on the quality of personal friendship or number of hours spent in the same room together (although the article greatly underestimates that as well).

    Shane’s article buys the spin on Ayers’ supposed rehabilitation offered by the Obama campaign and Ayers’ supporters in Chicago. In this view, whatever Ayers did in the 1960’s has somehow been redeemed by Ayers’ later turn to education work. As the Times quotes Mayor Daley saying, “People make mistakes. You judge a person by his whole life.” The trouble with this is that Ayers doesn’t view his terrorism as a mistake. How can he be forgiven when he’s not repentant? Nor does Ayers see his education work as a repudiation of his early radicalism. On the contrary, Ayers sees his education work as carrying on his radicalism in a new guise. The point of Ayers’ education theory is that the United States is a fundamentally racist and oppressive nation. Students, Ayers believes, ought to be encouraged to resist this oppression. Obama was funding Ayers’ “small schools” project, built around this philosophy. Ayers’ radicalism isn’t something in the past. It’s something to which Obama gave moral and financial support as an adult. So when Shane says that Obama has never expressed sympathy for Ayers’ radicalism, he’s flat wrong. Obama’s funded it.

    Obama was perfectly aware of Ayers’ radical views, since he read and publically endorsed, without qualification, Ayers’ book on juvenile crime. That book is quite radical, expressing doubts about whether we ought to have a prison system at all, comparing America to South Africa’s apartheid system, and contemptuously dismissing the idea of the United States as a kind or just country. Shane mentions the book endorsement, yet says nothing about the book’s actual content. Nor does Shane mention the panel about Ayers’ book, on which Obama spoke as part of a joint Ayers-Obama effort to sink the 1998 Illinois juvenile crime bill. Again, we have unmistakable evidence of a substantial political working relationship. (I’ve described it in detail here in “Barack Obama’s Lost Years.”

    The Times article purports to resolve the matter of Ayers’ possible involvement in Obama’s choice to head the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, yet in no way does so. Clearly, the article sides with those who claim that Ayers was not involved. Yet the piece has no credibility because it simply refuses to present the arguments of those who say that Ayers almost surely had a significant role in Obama’s final choice.

    Steve Diamond has made a powerful case that, whoever first suggested Obama’s name, Ayers must surely have had a major role in his final selection. Diamond has now revealed that the Times consulted him extensively for this article and has seen his important documentary evidence. Yet we get no inkling in the piece of Diamond’s key points, or the documents that back it up. (I’ve made a similar argument myself, based largely on my viewing of many of the same documents presented by Diamond.) How can an article that gives only one side of the story be fair? Instead of offering both sides of the argument and letting readers decide, the Times simply spoon-feeds its readers the Obama camp line.

    The Times also ignores the fact that I’ve published a detailed statement from the Obama camp on the relationship between Ayers and Obama at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. (See “Obama’s Challenge.”) Maybe that’s because attention to that statement would force them to acknowledge and report on my detailed reply.

    Shane’s story also omits any mention of the fact that access to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge records was blocked. What’s more, thanks to a University of Chicago law student’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, we now know that access to the documents was blocked by an old Obama associate, Ken Rolling, on the day I first tried to see them. And as a result of my own FOIA, we also have evidence that Rolling may have been less than fully forthcoming on the question of Ayers’ possible role in elevating Obama to board chair at Anneberg. In fact, Rolling seems to have been withholding information from a New York Times reporter. I’ve made this material public in a piece called, “Founding Brothers.” How could a responsible article on the topic of Obama, Ayers, and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge ignore the story of the blocked library access and the results of the two FOIA requests? How could a responsible paper fail to aggressively follow up on the questions raised by those requests, and by the documents and analysis presented by Steve Diamond?

    Most remarkably of all, Shane seems to paper over the results of his own questioning. On the one hand, toward the end of the piece we read: “Since 2002, there is little public evidence of their relationship.” And it’s no wonder, says Shane, since Ayers was caught expressing no regret for his own past terrorism in an article published on September 11, 2001. Yet earlier in Shane’s article we learn that, according to Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt, Obama and Ayers “have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Mr. Obama began serving in the United States Senate in January 2005.” Very interesting. Obama’s own spokesman has just left open the possibility that there has indeed been phone and e-mail contact between the two men between 2002 and 2004, well after Ayers’ infamous conduct on 9/11. Yet instead of pursuing this opening, Shane ignores the findings of his own investigation and covers for Obama.

    The New York Times in the tank for Obama? You bet. And sinking deeper every day.

  332. Man…This is the funniest thread I’ve seen in at least three years!

    Thanks for the entertainment, Jeff!

    and to The Denizens of Dancing Armadillo Paradise, thank you!!!

    To the Astroturfing Axelrods? Thanks for playing!!

    …I’m laughing so hard my face hurts…

  333. Comment by Mr. Whoopsies on 10/4 @ 6:42 pm #

    Hmmm, the run-on paragraph starters seem to have left. Time for the two-sentence relief trolls.

    You sound like an elitist. Isn’t that something you guys detest?

  334. Since you’ve begun calling Sarah vile names, we will now address the left side as Obama assholes. I really like that name..Here we go.. Obama assholes! please do your research and review the categories of the following: 20+ years mentored with racist reverend, close associate Bill Ayeres, Tony Rezco (felon), over 130 votes “present”, partly responsible for a failed school system in Chicago, Acorn-the community organization–sound familiar? that coerced businesses into giving large sums of money to their organization or they would threaten to go public with racial accusations that were completely false. Biden is basically a liar. A liar in all areas, even claiming that his wife and child were killed in a drunk driving accident. This story, while tragic, involved Biden’s first wife who
    went through a stop sign and was hit by a truck driver who had the right of way. Biden himself while in the Dem primary made the statement that in no way was Obama qualified and was too inexperienced as a junior senator. Joe, we completely agree with you.

  335. Hmmm, the run-on paragraph starters seem to have left. Time for the two-sentence relief trolls.

    I guess they really don’t teach in school anymore.

  336. Stick to the issues I am getting to old for this crap!

    Maggie, have you aged a lot since Obama said republicans are going to point out he’s black, and doesn’t look like the guys on our dollar bills?

    ‘Cuz I’ve aged a really lot since democrats have been making accusations like that.

  337. “You sound like an elitist. Isn’t that something you guys detest?”

    Its not like there were 20+ moonbats here shouting out talking points in half-grammatical block text, or anything. BUT TEH HYPOCRISY!

  338. Jeff, thank you for that posting. Perhaps the NYT should change their name to the Democratischer Beobachter …

  339. Caliber of thought we’re up against:
    Whoope Goldberg (to McCain): “Do I have to worry about becoming a slave again?”

  340. Pretty bold statement from a person who didn’t have the guts to say it at the debate

    Silly rabbit! Haven’t you learned yet? With Palin, timing is everything.

  341. Alan Sanducci

    Wake up red necks, we are not going to let you win this time, we have more people, we are more motivated and much more angry than you are and if it needs to come to the force we will tear you apart.

     

    Well if you come around here you better bring plenty of firepower you will certainly need it, you see I have served in the Marines and hunted all my life and frankly your pansy ass doesn’t scare me.

  342. You sound like an elitist. Isn’t that something you guys detest?

    We distinguish between “elite” and “elitist”. Nuance, you know.

    Regards,
    Ric

  343. Obama: “Community Organizing” writ large.

    Nice fascism there Obots.
    thanks Goldberg for the info

  344. Stick to the issues I am getting to old for this crap!

    Obama is the issue. Sorry about your advancing age, though.

  345. ‘The political landscape is littered with the bodies of those who underestimated Sarah Palin.’

    Which of you Obamatraons would like to tell us who said that?

  346. Goodbye for the evening, everyone à l’exception de trolls.

  347. Barak Obama fortunately knows what paling around with terrorists would mean – and that is paling around with those who might harm our country. That is something he would not do. Sarah, the so-called hockey mom, would equate a terrorist to the opposing team in a hockey match – typical of a down-home type folksy person with a simple outlook on things. She wouldn’t know a genuine terrorist if she fell over one. She’d be looking for someone dressed in the opponents jersey.

  348. “Barak Obama fortunately knows what paling around with terrorists would mean – and that is paling around with those who might harm our country. That is something he would not do.”

    That is something he would not do.

    That is something he would not do.

    That is something he would not do.

    That is something he would not do.

    Except for when he did.

  349. She’d be looking for someone dressed in the opponents jersey.

    Whereas Democrats just say fuck it, everybody gets Geneva protections, regardless of what they’re wearing or not wearing.

    BECAUSE OF THE FAIRNESS NUANCE!

  350. Sarah, the so-called hockey mom, would equate a terrorist to the opposing team in a hockey match – typical of a down-home type folksy person with a simple outlook on things.

    I’d love to see her cross-check Osama. I think I’ll get the chance.

  351. The trolls are really depressing me.

  352. Steven Grumman,

    So, the bombings Ayres carried out don’t qualify him as a terrorist?

    I guess I don’t know the definition either. Could you enlighten me?

  353. Terrorists are more complicated, you see. They need to be understood. Why, look at Bill Ayers, for instance! He’s a professor now! HE MADE GOOD!

  354. And suckling at the public tit, no less.

  355. That is something he would not do. Sarah, the so-called hockey mom, would equate a terrorist to the opposing team in a hockey match – typical of a down-home type folksy person with a simple outlook on things.

    Keep up this line of attack, assholes. Please.

  356. Why hasn’t anyone mentioned McCain’s ties with Gordon Liddy?

  357. The trolls don’t come to debate, they come to derail.

  358. I suppose my meager IQ is not match for the likes of O!, but you wouldn’t find me hob-nobbing with an ex terrorist.

    ’cause I’m simple.

  359. The trolls are really depressing me.

    Really? ‘Cause after cruising this thread (applying TrollHammer just to see how many of their comments I can make disappear), I’m in the best mood I’ve been in all week.

    If this is what the typical Obamarrhoid looks like, they won’t even be able to operate the door to get into their polling places, let alone figure out how to cast a ballot.

  360. I think the trolls are a Rovian plot. They sound so damn stupid. Honestly, who would want to be on their side?

  361. satan: Why hasn’t anyone mentioned McCain’s ties with Gordon Liddy?

    They did, O Prince of Insufficient Light — maybe you didn’t hear it above our raucous laughter.

  362. Comment by Karen Hale on 10/4 @ 5:26 pm #

    well it will certainly get interesting once it breaks that Mccain gave the Vietcong secrets after only a couple of days in captivity.
    Not to mention MUCH more…….

    Please follow this line, Karen. In fact I’m begging you! Please question McCain’s service in uniform and his time as POW. Take this and run with it! Get all of your friends and maybe the media too. Please, please, please make this one of your talking points!

    Rolling Stone…snort

  363. Barak Obama fortunately knows what paling around with terrorists would mean

    Paling? What is paling? Is that the opposite of darkening? That’s racist, and you should be ashamed or something.

    Sarah, the so-called hockey mom, would equate a terrorist to the opposing team in a hockey match

    Did you ever wonder why so many hockey players are missing teeth?  Fear the wrath of hockey moms — when they adopt a nation!

  364. But, they’re so fucking stupid. And – their vote counts just as much as mine.

    I need another drink.

  365. I’ve ‘Hammered 68 comments so far.

  366. “well it will certainly get interesting once it breaks that Mccain gave the Vietcong secrets after only a couple of days in captivity.”

    Really? Please, keep playing this line to everyone you know, it’ll work I swear.

    What secrets might have Johnny Mac revealed? Or made up? Or been coerced into making up? Please enlighten us, douchenozzle.

  367. JBean. I just got back from a week in Florida, and my normally pallid skin had acquired a bronze hue. But, right now, I’m paling.

  368. Palin is a redneck, pure and simple! How dare she or the Republicans tell such lies! Why do they think that their way is the only way? Rubbish!

  369. I kinda want to know how McCain was supposed to give secrets to the VietCong when he was being held captive by the NORTH VIETNAMESE ARMY.

    If you stupid twats want to smear someone, at least make it plausible.

  370. I’ve ‘Hammered 68 comments so far.

    McGehee! Can you hear me?!

    ANSWER ME DAMMIT!

    No, seriously. Why would you deny yourself this comedy gold?

  371. Which lies are those, dollph?

    And are you really of the opinion that rednecks have no capacity for truth? Otherwise, why bring rednecks into this at all?

    (These are rhetorical questions, of course. Don’t mind us. We’re here in an observational capacity. Please, do continue!)

  372. Heh… lessee, here. …more than 40% of Americans live in towns and small cities under 200,000 in population, that’s not counting suburbs or ‘bedroom communities’ of the larger metro areas. (U.S. Census. Look it up.)

    I can’t remember the exact percentage, right off hand, but something like 95% of Americans make less than $200,000 per year.

    …and the rednecks have most of the guns, all of the food, farms, ranches, water, minerals, oil, coal, gas, raw materials and hydro-electric plants.

    Makes a man wonder just who has alla the smarts, doesn’t it. (A statement. Not a question.)

  373. “Paling? What is paling?”

    “Carrying water for”, Obama the water boy for the SDS.

  374. McShame really has lost it. This was discredited long ago. You all are fools for believing it and are traitors to our country. You are all about letting Rove dirty tricks steal an election again. Not this time assholes.

  375. dollphn- it’s amazing they even allow rednecks to vote. How dare they presume to attempt to hold office.

    Can’t we send them all away to some sort of concentration camp?

  376. Why would you deny yourself this comedy gold?

    I figure every one of them only has one punchline to tell, so I read the first iteration of it and allow myself to skip the repetitions.

    It’s like if I only have to watch the funny first twenty seconds of a five-minute SNL skit.

  377. It was, underdog? Please, enlighten us.

  378. Songbird is lying again. Now he has his empty headed chickadee doing it for hom.

    Tell me. Did General McClellan really say the surge would work? Really? Who in their right mind would find this woman creditable? McClellan was a CIVIL WAR General!! LMFAO! You all are chumps. McCain is cutting taxes for your BOSSES, not YOU. He is cutting MY taxes and I am smart enough not to take the hook. Have a good time in the breadlines if he wins. Wear layers. It’s cold standing in line for a long time.

  379. With Obama rising in polls while the country struggles in the grip of a financial crisis, Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign decided to shift attention away from the troubled economy and onto issues of his opponent’s character, judgment and personal associations, the Washington Post reported.

    Well now we know that it’s official and McBush is nothing more than a crying looser. McBush who didn’t have an issue bringing in his side kick Caribou Barbie for votes is ready to throw more dirt and continue the lies to attempt to win the White House. I really hope these back fires and put him out in the cold with the millionaire second wife where he threw his first out for and had multiple affairs on. Yep that’s a good old God and Country. Thou shalt not commit adultery but only if she’s not a millionaire.
    WOW Isn’t America great and make one proud. We got Caribou Barbie lying and throwing wrong facts around and still not able to go without having her hand held.

  380. When people feed me this bull it makes me mad. Because they are trying to paint me stupid. If Obama had anything to do with WILLIAM AIRES at 9 years of age he must have been a master mind. It makes me so mad that they think we are so stupid we cant see through the muddy water. I HATE BEING TREATED LIKE I AM STUPID!

  381. Wow, step away for a while and I missed the clown college parade.

  382. That was me, dang sockpuppet.

  383. Nice diversion attempt, Linda. Alas, they aren’t claiming he knew Ayers at age 9.

    Really, do you idiots think before you post this stuff, or are you going for the “flood the forum/comments with so much crap no one can respond to all of it” tactic?

  384. Patrick, they’re of the “I don’t have to defend my opinion, I only have to state it, and I win” school of discourse. BECAUSE OF TEH SUPPRESSION OF TEH DISSENT IN BUSHITLERBURTON’S AMERIKKKA!!!!!eleventyonethousandonehundredandeleventyone!!

  385. No Linda, Obama began his associations with an unrepentant terrorist when Obama was an adult. Meaning he should have known better, but chose otherwise.

    Also, nobody is treating you like you are stupid. Just like you are patently dishonest and shamelessly transparent. Sweety.

  386. My posts are being dropped. Just GOOGLE IT. Or search for “Obama Ayers” on wikipedia. Or do you fear the truth. This guy is a brilliant man that can possibly clean up the last 8 years of fuckups by dumbya and his cronies.

  387. (The secret word for “underdog” is… Projection. “Fear the truth” indeed.)

  388. Linda, you are not stupid.Obama had NOTHING to do with Aires. Obama was only 9 years old. We evil rethuglians certainly can’t get anything by you, can we?

    FOILED AGAIN.

  389. Why won’t this link post?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama-Ayers_controversy

    This is a wikipedia article that DISCREDITS this crap.

    Don’t you people realize what idjits you are? Obama is CUTTING TAXES on middle class voters. He was RIGHT to oppose the war in Iraq. Yeah McINSANE was right that extra troops have stopped the hemmoraging, but for crist’s sake, it was stupid to be there in the first place. Osama bin Laden is in AFGHANISTAN.

  390. Oh ‘Linda’ is definitely projecting, thinking we would be so stupid as to fall for her nonsense.

  391. Undergod, we are dropping your posts, because you are simply too smart for us. Unable to counter your MASTERFUL arguments, we must simply make them go away.

    GOOGLE IT.

  392. Oooh a Wikipedia article. Here’s some real published journalism.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

  393. Sarah Sixpack is despate. Fortunately she has some clueless losers to cheer her on. McCain is a songbird. You all are supporting a guy that is reckless. And the F-CKING LAUGHABLE part? You HATED McCain before! Now he is your only hope to cling to power! Pathetic twerps. I am outta here. I will enjoy the McCain TAX CUT for those making 200K if he gets in. Maybe I will send you a postcard from some resort? Nah. I don’t hang with lowlifes when it isn’t election season!!

  394. Wiki is an excellent source, but if you had some backup from Rolling Stone … well, that would be irrefutable.

  395. Ah, the “War on Terror is only for Bin Laden at the expense of all else” theory pops up AGAIN.

  396. Underdog I seriously doubt your posts are being dropped. I told the owner of this site to grow up once and he didn’t erase any of my comments. I would figure he would tell you to shove a frozen swordfish up your ass before he would erase any of your comments.

  397. Underdog linked to wikipedia. Damn, he’s got us. No further research is necessary.

    Plus, he called us idjits. We all bow to your superior rhetorical skill.

  398. Any explanation why Obama might choose to lie- just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood” – about his close associate, if there’s nothing to hide?

  399. underdog: This guy is a brilliant man that can possibly clean up the last 8 years of fuckups by dumbya and his cronies.

    If he is so brilliant, why does he not release his Columbia transcript? Whilst he’s at it, why not release all the other reasonably insignificant bits of documentation that would put so many other questions to rest, even from some in his own party?

    As for the connection to William Ayres being a canard, let us reverse the polarity of some of the connections and apply them, rhetorically, to a generic white candidate… What would your reaction be to a candidate who entered politics via a reception in the house of a former abortion clinic bomber and attended a Christian Identity church for twenty years?

  400. I think the point we are supposed to swallow is: “Oh NO! Palin doesn’t have all the regular people! They’re right! The election is over and O! is victorious!”

    Extra points for how many of us call them stupid. You see, it shows us to be elitist and hypocritical with regards to our support of the moose-hunt’in redneck.

    It’s got to be. There’s no way ALL the Obamiacs can be that illiterate.

  401. underdog every regular on this forum knows 10 times as much about Ayers and his relationship with Zero as you sock puppets do. We have actually researched it, I know you never have. Your too stupid and it actually requires reading and stuff.

  402. Why do all the moby’s claim to be making above 200k but not “need it”?

  403. Palin if you’re going to throw stones betta make sure you don’t live in a glass house.

    If Palin is going to say this, it is now perfectly legitimate to point out that she repeatedly courted a secessionist group founded by someone who openly professed hatred of the American government, cursed our flag, and wanted to secede from the Union. Sarah’s husband, Todd Palin, was a member of this group, which continues to venerate that founder to this day, for years.

    As you already know, the group is the Alaska Independence Party, which sees as its ultimate goal seceding from the union. Todd was a member, with a brief exception, from 1995 until 2002, according to the Division of Elections in Alaska.

    And though Sarah Palin herself was apparently not a member of this group, there’s no doubt that she repeatedly courted this secessionist organization over the years. In 1994, Palin attended the group’s annual convention, according to witnesses who spoke to ABC News’ Jake Tapper. The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group’s 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.

    The founder of the AIP was a man named Joe Vogler. Here’s what he had to say in a 1991 interview, only a few years before Palin attended its convention: “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.”

    He also said this: “And I won’t be buried under their damn flag. I’ll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.”

    Vogler has also said: “I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”

  404. “Comment by Steven Grumman on 10/4 @ 6:57 pm #

    Barack Hussein Obama fortunately knows what paling around with terrorists would mean – and that is paling around with those who might harm our country. ”

    Go Hussein Go Hamas Go Obama Go CAIR, Go Weathermen, Go Chuck Manson!

  405. Doesn’t matter CNN. The dumbed down Americans have started to get smarter. Dems are going to beat the britches off of repubs in Nov. and all your ranting and being in the tank most of the time for repubs is all for naught.

  406. OMFG! AN EDITORIAL! BY A RIGHT WING PUNDIT! I am mortally wounded! God forbid we publish something peer reviewed in Wikipedia. I would have cited NUMEROUS OTHER REFERENCES, but you wouldn’t have read them anyway.

    Does it help to know that SEVERAL REPUBLICANS SAT ON THAT SAME BOARD WITH OBAMA AND AYERS? Are they all terrorists? You all are simple fools desperately clinging to this trivial fact.

    Ayers has NOTHING to do with Obama. At BEST you show they met and exchanged pleasantries. At BEST! The CAC (Chicago Annenberg Challenge) was an board with business executives from all over the political spectrum.

    What a bunch of chumps.

  407. What a wonderful thread! Thanks BMoe for pointing me here. this is a hoot! The new “visitors” have shown a collective intelligence and ability to persuade that I haven’t seen since studying flat worms in biology class. Actually, the flat worms were a little brighter.

  408. LOL – Oh yeah I almost forgot about that – Palin sleeps with a terrorist every night and the MSM has barely covered it.

  409. Who left the door open and let all the stupid in?

  410. Osama bin Laden is in AFGHANISTAN.

    psst! underdog the Zero talking points memo says Obama Osama is in Packeestan.

  411. Comment by Bob on 10/4 @ 7:51 pm #

    LOL – Oh yeah I almost forgot about that – Palin sleeps with a terrorist every night and the MSM has barely covered it.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s true but she forgot to mention that while talking about Obama.

  412. “Here’s what he had to say in a 1991Rev. Wright interview, only a few years before Barack Hussein ObamaPalin attended its convention: GOD DAMN AMERICA, AMERICA: THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.”

  413. peer… reviewed… in… Wikipedia…

    vs.

    The Wall Street Journal

    Beautiful. This is an impressive display of ongoing moonbattery. Must have been one hell of an action alert. Obama’s people must have some internal data that tells them this is a serious threat.

  414. denden, you know what would have been really awful? If the founder of that little group Sarah didn’t belong to actually said “God DAMN America…”

  415. Osama bin Laden is in AFGHANISTAN.

    Huh. I thought he was in Pakistan, moldering in a cave.

    If we hadn’t gone to Iraq, OBL would be relaxing in an Iraqi palace, and we would be doomed in Afghanistan.

  416. I HATE BEING TREATED LIKE I AM STUPID!

    Then you should probably stick to reading dKos.

  417. Comment by dre on 10/4 @ 7:54 pm #

    “Here’s what he had to say in a 1991Rev. Wright interview, only a few years before Barack Hussein ObamaPalin attended its convention: GOD DAMN AMERICA, AMERICA: THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.”

    Nice try to cover up the fact that Ayers and Obama have no connection but TOD PALIN does have a connection to anti-Americans. Thanks for playin’ dre.

  418. Ayers and Obama have no connection

    Really, is that the official campaign line? Because that we be just super swell.

  419. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 7:55 pm #

    denden, you know what would have been really awful? If the founder of that little group Sarah didn’t belong to actually said “God DAMN America…”

    No just the man she married belonged to them. You repukes are losing and now pulling out all the stops LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Desperation truly brings out the WORST in people.

  420. Anyone else have the feeling that we’re debating with ninth graders?

  421. Underdog: “Does it help to know that SEVERAL REPUBLICANS SAT ON THAT SAME BOARD WITH OBAMA AND AYERS? Are they all terrorists?”

    No, but they willingly associated with an unrepentant terrorist and wouldn’t get my vote for President.

    Underdog: “Ayers has NOTHING to do with Obama. ”

    Then why not throw him under the bus with the rest of his unfortunate and awkward associates, such as Wright, Rezko, etc.? Likewise, he certainly has a greater connection to Ayer’s than nothing — the Annenberg Challenge, the introduction / reception to Chicago politics certainly are morethan “nothing.”

    Go back to drinking the Kool-Aid.

  422. underdog —

    Cite away. You’ll find that, unlike today’s visitors, the people who hang out here are quite well read. In fact, I venture to say that were I to debate you, there wouldn’t be enough “underdog” left when I was finished to fit between a pair of snack crackers.

    So please. Cite. We’ll read and respond.

    Intelligently.

    Unlike, say, using the fact that a writer is a conservative to “prove” that what he writes about can’t possibly be factual or carefully researched. Because that would just make us look silly.

  423. Underdog,

    Wikipedia? Seriously, if you can’t get past the first two or three options in a Google search then what the hell good are you? You are getting boring.

  424. Comment by ThomasD on 10/4 @ 7:58 pm #

    Ayers and Obama have no connection

    Really, is that the official campaign line? Because that we be just super swell.

    Keep them coming. TODD PALIN was a member of and ANTI-AMERICAN GROUP!!! Funny how Sarah didn’t mention she married someone who like that. Now that she is running, but can criticize Obama. LOL!!!! Those things come back to haunt you later. Wait until the media starts reporting this.

  425. denden91:

    You repukes are losing and now pulling out all the stops LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Desperation truly brings out the WORST in people.

    Which is why we’re infesting blogs and forums used by our political opponents spouting whatever crap we can think up in the hope that it will stick. Oh wait, that’s you guys.

  426. Carin: “Anyone else have the feeling that we’re debating with ninth graders?”

    You’re far more generous than I… Biden was only operating on a near eighth grade level at the debate and these poltroons make him seem scholarly.

  427. Desperation truly brings out the WORST in people.

    Oddly, I suspect we agree with you.

  428. Denden – you know you’re an idiot, right? I mean, I’m just having fun here, because you’re so obviously weak minded it’s not worth it to have any sort of meaningful debate.

    You do understand that we’re all playing with you (and all your friends), right? Like a cat does with a mouse it doesn’t really want to eat.

  429. “Nice try to cover up the fact that Ayers and Obama have no connection”

    i like caps: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, NOT BEING A CITIZEN OF THE USA, WAS ON THE BOARD OF THE CHICAGO ANNENBURG CHALLENGE WITH THE BOMBER AYERS. THE MUSLIM NON CITIZEN OF THE USA DISPENSED $150,000,000 TO THE COMMUNISTS IN THE CHICAGO AREA.

  430. Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 10/4 @ 8:00 pm #

    Carin: “Anyone else have the feeling that we’re debating with ninth graders?”

    You’re far more generous than I… Biden was only operating on a near eighth grade level at the debate and these poltroons make him seem scholarly.

    And I suppose that Palin is a genius. LOL!!!

  431. I am forcibly reminded of Kate MacMillan’s semi-regular “Not Waiting for the Asteroid” feature.

    These are CNN’s viewers and readers. This is CNN’s target audience. These are the people CNN describes to advertisers (assuming they are honest, which they may not be) in order for the said advertisers to know which part to sponsor. We’ve got thirty or forty unique monikers not previously encountered, and maybe three of them can manage coherent exposition without cut and paste. What would you try to sell these folks?

    This isn’t just “not waiting”. This is a full-throated asteroid dance, complete with steel drums, nose-flutes, and the ritual distribution of black and white sands in concentric circles to complete the Sacred Pattern. It is perhaps a bit cynical to wish them success.

    Regards,
    Ric

  432. LOL – Oh yeah I almost forgot about that – Palin sleeps with a terrorist every night and the MSM has barely covered it.

    Fear the snowmachine jihad!! All your women will wear parkas, by the whiskers of Nanook!

  433. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:02 pm #

    Denden – you know you’re an idiot, right? I mean, I’m just having fun here, because you’re so obviously weak minded it’s not worth it to have any sort of meaningful debate.

    You do understand that we’re all playing with you (and all your friends), right? Like a cat does with a mouse it doesn’t really want to eat.

    I’m an ididot? You support McCain/Palin. Nuff said.

  434. denden91 —

    The factcheck.org link debunking the AIP / T Palin smear has been linked several times in this very thread. If you can’t be bothered to engage, don’t bother posting.

    No less than the AP debunked that story. Again, look it up. Or do a site search. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

  435. Gosh do you think when Obama was closer to Ayers than McCain was to Charles Keating?

  436. denden91: “TODD PALIN was a member of and ANTI-AMERICAN GROUP!!! Funny how Sarah didn’t mention she married someone who like that. Now that she is running, but can criticize Obama. LOL!!!! Those things come back to haunt you later. Wait until the media starts reporting this.”

    Two small problems, denden. The first and most obvious one would be that the MSM has already shot their wad trying to smear Palin in this campaign and accomplished nothing. Their credibility on the matter is pretty well shot. The second is that, were they to do so and be proven wrong yet again, all they would accomplish would be to make Palin look better. Thirty days in an election is a long time, despite the lede being pushed at the moment.

  437. Gotta go do some rednecky stuff. Back later.

    GO GET ‘EM, OBAMABOTS!

  438. William Ayers, as a member of Weather Underground. declared war on the United States. Ayers has never repudiated that statement. Obama is his friend and close political associate.

  439. Comment by Jeff G. on 10/4 @ 8:04 pm #

    denden91 –

    The factcheck.org link debunking the AIP / T Palin smear has been linked several times in this very thread. If you can’t be bothered to engage, don’t bother posting.

    No less than the AP debunked that story. Again, look it up. Or do a site search. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

    And Obama has no ties to Ayers. Look it up. Or do a site search. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

  440. Obama has no ties to Ayers I’d like to hear the Obama campaign say that.

  441. I think we can all agree that tonight’s brain-dead trolls need help. An intervention. They obviously have drunk deeply of Obama’s marxist, racist kool-aid. They support a candidate who would normally be an empty suit, if he were not laden with so much ideological baggage. Friends with a domestic terrorist Bill Ayers who bombed the Pentagon. Friends with a racist preacher who demonizes America. Friends with a stone crook.

    Obama supporters are fools. The worst kind of fools- the kind that doesn’t know it.

  442. Dumdum91: You should follow you own advice.

  443. The Weathermen were initially part of the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM) within the SDS, splitting from the RYM’s Maoists by claiming there was no time to build a vanguard party and that revolutionary war against the United States government and the capitalist system should begin immediately.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)

    That’s Obama’s close political associate (and his murderer wife), right there.

    Wikifuckinpedia!!!!!eleventy!!!!!

  444. Sadly, we are not (or should not be) at all surprised at Mrs. Palin’s behavior. This young politician–in her abysmal ignorance–has forgotten the basic principle of this election: the real issues. True, Ayers is and should be considered a terrorist. It should be assumed that he has been under careful watch for quite some time. He probably has been–and will always be–on the “list” of volatile people whom we do not need amongst us. However, to attach Senator Obama to such a radical movement is absurd. Clearly, Senator McCain is resorting to the lowest form of political campaigning. This attitude responds to fear. He knows this election is virtually lost in favor of change and the only tool left for them to use is allegation. I could not care less about Ayers and I would have preferred to see him behind bars for life, possibly sharing a cell with OJ Simpson. However, Senator Obama has rejected Ayers’ views publicly and distanced himself from this character at all times. I fear Ms. Palin’s views and lack of understanding above all else. In terms of the unthinkable, I fear that Senator McCain is far too senior to leave the highest office in the land in the hands of such an incompetent person. Incidentally, have we forgotten her association with the AIP in Alaska? Talk about radical and fanatical. When the founder of the group you support openly states that “the fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government… And I won’t be buried under their damn flag” we need to worry because these are “unidentified” and seriously troubled people who could inflict great anxiety in our form of Government. We had a similar situation back in 1861 and it cost us a great deal of anguish, remember?

    Beyond Ayers, I need to focus on a loftier issue that has been created by our current administration…the $700 Billion loan that we just signed into law. If this fails, the consequences will be–no longer “could be”–disastrous. Between my mortgage, my kid’s college fund, my own debt, my medical concerns, and the price of gas that I desperately need to get to work and protect my job, Ms. Palin’s allegations are the absolute least of my concerns and I find them to be as preposterous as they are ignorant. I believe she could use a “six pack” right about now to kill the big bug she has up her butt (pardon my rudeness) and move on to 2012. This is good training for her. Well, anticipating that she has a folder for lessons learned.

  445. denden91: “And I suppose that Palin is a genius. LOL!!!”

    Assumes facts not in evidence, although I suspect that anyone who feels the need to post “lol” in caps in the course of a political debate is probably not all that interested in an honest exchange of ideas and is, in all probability, one of the poltroons I was discussing before.

    Now, for the record, *I* was not the individual making the judgement on the level of erudition displayed by Joe Biden.

    “(CNN) — An analysis carried out by a language monitoring service said Friday that Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at a more than ninth-grade level and Sen. Joseph Biden spoke at a nearly eighth-grade level in Thursday night’s debate between the vice presidential candidates.”

  446. Here’s the bottom lone for all of yu McCaininites. Fact: McCain has no answers for the economy. He is behind and it is getting bigger everyday and just like the McCain campaign you are all worried. McCain pulled out of Michigan because he is spending too much money there and Obama is leading or down by 1 to 3 points in Missouri, Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Nevada and Colorado. You now have to throw the long ball, hoping that someone will catch it. Ask Hillary how well that worked out for her. ;-)

  447. Lets see, the husband of the rep VP pick belonged to an Alaska political party that had separatist members, but nothing about that in their platform, vs. the dem presidential pick that had Ayers, Wright, and Rezko in his background.

    And you think the husband is more relivant and more deserving of media scrutiny?

    Have you guys thought this out?

  448. “#Comment by cindy on 10/4 @ 8:05 pm #

    Gosh do you think when Obama was closer to Ayers than McCain was to Charles Keating?”

    No McCain, being bipartisan, was much closer to the 4 DEMORATS that made up the KEATING 1 R + 4 D’S

  449. You support McCain/Palin. Nuff said.

     

    And you support a Zero

    zero birth certificate

    zero college transcripts

    zero legal writings

    zero bills sponsored

    zero executive experience (except for CAC which he distances himself from.

     

    Enuff said!

  450. “Pals around with terrorists.” This is absurd and an insult to our intelligence. The issue has been debunked by several other publications – Washington Post, Time (magazine), Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The National Review. Apparently, she did not read nor research the matter further before speaking.
    It was bad enough Palin’s comments with the press regarding McCain conceding in Michigan; for which she acknowledged that she only learned of McCain’s intention after reading it in the news paper on Friday and, obviously, was not part of the decision. Now this comment! For Gov Palin having a degree in journalism, this is neither impressive nor convincing of her credentials. Say it ain’t so John — please, say it ain’t so!

  451. However, to attach Senator Obama to such a radical movement is absurd.

    No need to attach Obama to Ayers – Obama already did it himself, years ago, and there’s a big fat paper trail to prove it.

  452. Ah, finally. “Carlos” has graduated to the “Bargaining” stage, whilst the others are still jumping between “Anger” and “Denial” like hyperactive fleas.

  453. Actually, Carin, I’ve known five year-olds who could out-hustle these trolls. Those five year-olds *were* more intelligent and better educated, but who’s countin’.

  454. #394
    I would love! Love! To have some of what you’re on. Just not as much as you took. What’s it like from your side? Other than the dementia, I mean.

  455. And Obama has no ties to Ayers. Look it up. Or do a site search. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

    Even that Wiki entry linked to by a fellow Obot details extensive ties. Get your lies straight, bright boy.

  456. Obama, who was sworn into office in January 2005, spent much of his time in the Senate taking a high-profile position as spokesman for Democrats’ efforts to overhaul congressional ethics standards, including his own bid to make Senate colleagues pay the full charter rate, rather than first-class airfare, for rides in corporate jets. The effort drew the ire of such senior senators as Ted Stevens of Alaska, whose state is so big that corporate planes are often the only way to get around. Senate leaders included that jet travel requirement in a lobbying practices and disclosures bill signed into law in September 2007.

    But as a member of the minority party, Obama also worked across the aisle with Republicans to push several measures that became law in 2006.

    Working with Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Obama won enactment of a law creating a single, searchable database of all federal contracts, grants and loans.

    He also partnered with senior Indiana Republican Sen. Richard Lugar, the former chairman of the Foreign Relations panel, to sponsor legislation to strengthen international efforts to destroy conventional weapons, though it did not advance out of committee.

    Separately, Obama was lead sponsor of a bill to provide relief and promote democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo, which was signed into law in December 2006.

    He introduced legislation in 2005 to require federal preparations for an avian flu pandemic, but it didn’t advance.

    And he weighed in on another “good government” initiative during congressional debate on tougher lobbying disclosure standards, by backing the creation of an independent “Office of Public Integrity” that would investigate congressional ethics cases and receive and monitor financial disclosure reports required from members of Congress, officers and employees of Congress and lobbyists. The bid failed in 2006 due to opposition from members of the Senate Ethics Committee, who said it would politicize the panel. Another attempt to include it in the Democrats’ ethics bill failed in early 2007.

    Obama’s tendency to focus on nonidelogical issues is pragmatic, because they tend not to have powerful enemies or, if they do, are shielded by solid support in both parties. But some of his initiatives have languished, either because he was a junior member of the Democratic caucus or because they encountered institutional resistance. One would have rewarded troubled school districts with extra federal help in exchange for deep changes.

  457. Comment by Carlos on 10/4 @ 8:10 pm #
    “Between my mortgage, my kid’s college fund, my own debt, my medical concerns, and the price of gas that I desperately need to get to work and protect my job,”

    DRILL HERE,DRILL NOW,BABY

  458. Honestly, there must have been one hell of an “action alert” sent out today.

    You Obamabots scare me.

  459. The issue has been debunked by several other publications – Washington Post, Time (magazine), Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The National Review.

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDAyNDRmYzY1NTc5OGFmYmQ5ZTdjY2JlMGY0NGViOWE=

    Oh dear. I think that’s called being hoisted by your own retard, you clueless simpleton.

  460. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:15 pm #

    Honestly, there must have been one hell of an “action alert” sent out today.

    You Obamabots scare me.

    You McCaininites are truly scary.

  461. Palin is exactly the reason traditionally Republican families like ours are voting for Obama this year. Word was already out a few days ago that the McCain campaign was going to use the negative approach as a last-ditch desperate measure. When you have Republican families like ours jumping ship then you know the Republican candidate is completely unqualified for the job. McCain is an elitist anyway, his tax and medical plans only help the richest people in this country.

  462. “But as a member of the minority party, Obama also worked across the aisle with Republicans to push several measures that became law in 2006.”

    Nice Post Office Barack Hussein Obama named.

  463. I mean, honestly you are all the same. You make the EXACT same points using the same code words. You look like a bunch of brain-dead assholes.

  464. So, in other words, denden, the man has no signature issues he’ll can lay claim to, no real record of reaching across the aisle to accomplish anything truly useful to the American people and, with a 96% Democratic voting record, nothing to show any real willingness to stand up to his own party.

    Just another liberal socialist from the Daley machine.

  465. Bullshit Rob. You, my friend, are a liar.

  466. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:18 pm #

    I mean, honestly you are all the same. You make the EXACT same points using the same code words. You look like a bunch of brain-dead assholes.

    Your brain must be hurting to come up with such a brilliant response. You need some gatorade or something?

  467. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:19 pm #

    Bullshit Rob. You, my friend, are a liar.

    All the profanity isn’t necessary. As I said earlier, desperation brings out the worst in some people.

  468. “Word was already out a few days ago that the Barack Hussein Obama, who has a muslim father and in Egypt that means he is a muslim McCain campaign was going to use the negative approach as a last-ditch desperate measure.

  469. Here’s more of the National Review ‘debunking’

    There is nothing “sporadic” about Barack Obama delivering hundreds of thousands of dollars over a period of many years to fund Bill Ayers’ radical education projects, not to mention many millions more to benefit Ayers’ radical education allies. We are talking about a substantial and lengthy working relationship here, one that does not depend on the quality of personal friendship or number of hours spent in the same room together

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWI0MjY3NzMyODgxZGM2ZjUwNTE1MmEzOGRiZmFkNWE=

    So by all means, Bev Alabama, keep those hits a comin!

  470. denden, you are an asshole because “we” are not McCainites. I don’t even know what percentage of us are voting for him. We haven’t drunk the koolaid, and you won’t find any of us cheerleading for McCain.

    You are a O-Zombie. We are not.

  471. Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 10/4 @ 8:18 pm #

    So, in other words, denden, the man has no signature issues he’ll can lay claim to, no real record of reaching across the aisle to accomplish anything truly useful to the American people and, with a 96% Democratic voting record, nothing to show any real willingness to stand up to his own party.

    Just another liberal socialist from the Daley machine.

    And what can McCain lay claim to in 26 years? He must have a long list. Although we haven’t seen it.

  472. denden blathered:
    As I said earlier, desperation brings out the worst in some people.

    As I said: like going to blogs/forums used by political opponents flooding comments with-er, oh wait. That’s you.

  473. Hey, did I say something about jangly nerves being well hit? Could I have hoped for a better confirmation than what has ensued here for the last couple of hours? Damn.

  474. You should be scared Carin these fools are nothing but Nazi brownshirts, except their to stupid to read a little history. Such as what happened to the brownshirts once the SS was established and they were no longer needed.

  475. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:21 pm #

    denden, you are an asshole because “we” are not McCainites. I don’t even know what percentage of us are voting for him. We haven’t drunk the koolaid, and you won’t find any of us cheerleading for McCain.

    You are a O-Zombie. We are not.

    Already proudly voted for Obama. And the name callin’ LOL!!! I say again desperation.

  476. “#Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:18 pm #

    I mean, honestly you are all the same. You make the EXACT same points using the same code words. You look like a bunch of brain-dead assholes.”

    Ladies and gentlemen: DAVID AXELROD!

  477. So, to summarize for the comprehension impaired.

    Obama threw alot of money at his anti-American terrorist friend.

  478. I don’t feel like coming up with anything more inspired, because (honestly) you’ve brought nothing to the table.
    And, rob is a liar (I’ll swear when I feel like it, thankyouverymuch) because he’s not a life-long Republican. That is a LIE. It’s a sad, pitiful, pathetic, embarrassing lie. No conservative would EVER EVER vote for Obama. He would sit out the election.

  479. Comment by Patrick Chester on 10/4 @ 8:22 pm #

    denden blathered:
    As I said earlier, desperation brings out the worst in some people.

    As I said: like going to blogs/forums used by political opponents flooding comments with-er, oh wait. That’s you.

    Another desperate one.

  480. You know, I love it how these folks seem to think that simply by claiming to be a “Republican” and then spouting the Democrat talking points will make people flock to the Democrat side.

    I mean, it got old back in 2003 or so. Even earlier.

  481. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:23 pm #

    I don’t feel like coming up with anything more inspired, because (honestly) you’ve brought nothing to the table. (I’ll swear when I feel like it, thankyouverymuch)

    Simply because your mind doesn’t know what else to say.

  482. denden: “And what can McCain lay claim to in 26 years? He must have a long list.”

    Let us start with the bill with his name on it — McCain-Feingold — campaign finance reform — was rather popular with your side, as I recall.

    Bipartisan, passed and made no one particularly happy. Is there anything Obama has done that compares?

  483. Could I have hoped for a better confirmation than what has ensued here for the last couple of hours? Damn.

    Yes, it’s something isn’t it? Any reports from other websites, or are they all just converging here?

  484. You McCaininites are truly scary.

    Yeah, I can tell by the way you come here and paste Obama propaganda.

    You must be shaking in your boots.

    You are my hero. It’s because you are so brave.

  485. “And what can McCain lay claim to in 26 years? He must have a long list.”

    Never having supported any marxist revolutionary or domestic terrorist the likes of William Ayers is certainly one item on that list.

  486. Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 10/4 @ 8:26 pm #

    denden: “And what can McCain lay claim to in 26 years? He must have a long list.”

    Let us start with the bill with his name on it — McCain-Feingold — campaign finance reform — was rather popular with your side, as I recall.

    Bipartisan, passed and made no one particularly happy. Is there anything Obama has done that compares?

    Lugar/Obama Nuclear Proliferation Bill; preventing stockpile Russian Nuclear weapons from ending up in terrorist hands.

  487. “Another desperate one.”

    He said, frantically posting as much as he can in “enemy territory” so the “TRUTH” can be KNOWN!

    Or perhaps “denden” is engaging in a psychological defense mechanism known as projection…

  488. The McCain/Palin camp must real desperate to sink to this level of sleaze, this is right out of the Karl Rove playbook, this attack has certainly changed my view of McCain. A maverick? I don’t think so, I was disappointed when he picked Palin and not Lieberman, but this has driven me over the edge. I wouldn’t vote for this guy even if he was running against Bush.

  489. Did you notice how Obama’s contribution the the Nunn-Lugar bill had nothing to do with nuclear weapons? Funny that.

  490. Believe what you want, denden. But you haven’t brought one issue, here, worthy of debate. So I mock and toy.

    Because, I have this feeling that you are impervious to reason.

  491. Comment by Dread Cthulhu on 10/4 @ 8:26 pm #

    denden: “And what can McCain lay claim to in 26 years? He must have a long list.”

    Let us start with the bill with his name on it — McCain-Feingold — campaign finance reform — was rather popular with your side, as I recall.

    Bipartisan, passed and made no one particularly happy. Is there anything Obama has done that compares?

    His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included

    The one I already mentioned
    the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006—became law.
    The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate.
    The 2007 Government Ethics Bill—became law.
    The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.

  492. Heh. We disagree with them, so we must be stupid…or else supporting their ideological opponent.

    If you do the research, you’ll find that the Republicans are national socialists in all but name. Meanwhile, the Democrats are almost openly communist…in all but name.

    On the third hand, this is a blog owned and maintained by an independent libertarian. (W/o a forty-page white paper, that’s probably about as close as anyone will ever get to describing Jeff’s politics in a two-word descriptive.)

    The trolls are so friggin’ ignorant that they think the world is black and white.

    (I know. I shouldn’t feed the trolls…but these guys are just so much fun…)

    The scary part is, they seem to think that the use of force, personal intimidation, verbal abuse and physical threats are convincing arguments. Actually, that’s a tactic commonly used by cult leaders and organizations.

  493. this attack has certainly changed my view of McCain…

    Oh ‘Rob.’ don’t go so soon, stay a while, and we’ll ‘discuss’ your ‘views.’

  494. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:30 pm #

    Believe what you want, denden. But you haven’t brought one issue, here, worthy of debate. So I mock and toy.

    Because, I have this feeling that you are impervious to reason.

    Thanks for playin’

  495. Rob like Carin said you are a liar, and no one on this site is naive enough to believe you.

  496. Thomas D., you responded to my post by writing that “Obama already did it himself, years ago, and there’s a big fat paper trail to prove it.” I must admit that I am somewhat familiar whith Ayers and his radical views, but the allegation that Sen. Obama was intricately associated with him took me by surprise. I cannot honestly say that he is or he is not based on my limited knowledge of this particular aspect of the whole subject. I do not advocate–in the most non-partisan spirit–association with radical organizations. I had, however, assumed that by the time a candidate makes it to the final stretch, all angles have been taken into consideration. Beyond this, there are reputable news publications that claim that such an association does not exists. In sum, I will have to read more to respond…well…to respond again.

  497. So denden91, if you are being sooo honest, tell us – what brought you to this little corner of the intarwebs? Google search? Just out looking for new territory? Linked in from another website? do tell.

  498. Rob, you’re supposed to use the appropriate code phrases like:
    “…as a lifelong Republican” ™ and
    “…as a Concerned Christian” ™
    …in your Moby postings. That’ll make those of us who Do Not See The Lightness of O! flock to his cause. Or something.

  499. In a minute ThomasD.
    Still waiting on Dread Cthulhu to get back to me on McCain’s legislation in 26 years.

  500. Have these Obamaniacs no shame? I mean! Outsourcing their comment spamming efforts to some country where english is not the first language and putting our native-born illiterates out of work!

  501. Well Carlos, that was a most evenhanded response. I wish you well in your endeavors. You might wish to start with the articles I’ve linked from Stanley Kurtz that have appeared in the Wall Street Journal and National Review.

    I think all of us who truly seek the truth in this matter agree that it would be best if Obama simply sat down with a serious journalist who has spent time on the matter and went on the record regarding the specifics.

  502. I was disappointed when he picked Palin and not Lieberman, but this has driven me over the edge.

    Really? How did you feel when Obama didn’t pick Lieberman? Or Hillary for that matter.

    I never liked McCain, My vote is going to be against the socialist, not for the Maverick. If he had picked Lieberman, a liberal democrat, he wouldn’t have even got that.

    And he still wouldn’t have gotten your vote either, admit it.

  503. Whatever denden. That you find Palin’s tenuous grasp with an Alaskan separatist group more an issue than Obama’s association with BLT and Ayers suggests that you and rational thought are not closely acquainted.

  504. Oh hey, there’s some useful things in Wikipedia. Probably mostly accurate too, though I think Weber’s Infodumps are better sources if info.

    The starmap is neat too.

  505. I have come to the unavoidable conclusion that in addition to possessing a less than basic understanding of the U.S. Constitution and the seperation of powers detailed therein, Sarah Palin is at her core an insufferable cunt.

  506. “I had, however, assumed that by the time a candidate makes it to the final stretch, all angles have been taken into consideration.”

    By whom and by what media?

  507. Thomas D., I’ve always believed that blogs were a learning experience. Let’s see how it goes. Thanks.

  508. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:39 pm #

    Whatever denden. That you find Palin’s tenuous grasp with an Alaskan separatist group more an issue than Obama’s association with BLT and Ayers suggests that you and rational thought are not closely acquainted.

    Palin is an airhead and embarrassment to the political process and you all know it. It was interesting to see Palin admit that Republicans/Conservatives are for civil unions.

  509. “Sarah Palin is at her core an insufferable cunt.”

    Joey Hairplugs is opening at Las Vegas on Nov. 6.

  510. “Vogler has also said: “I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.””

    Sounds like a black seperatists, don’t he?

  511. Holy crap! People are still operating under the assumption that MSM outlets are still credible?

    Looks like denden is doing the whole argumentum ad nauseam thing…

  512. Beyond this, there are reputable news publications that claim that such an association does not exists. In sum, I will have to read more to respond…well…to respond again.

    Carlos — please do read more.

    When you find out the truth, perhaps you’ll revisit your characterization of those “news organizations” as “reputable”.

    Here’s another question for you:

    You’ve been hearing from those same “reputable” “news organizations” that Palin is borderline retarded, never reads anything, has no knowledge of foreign policy, etc.

    I assume you watched the debate (if not, please do; the full debate is online in several venues).

    Ask yourself how this lightweight bumpkin managed to hold her own so well against a 36 year congressional veteran who is the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. Does her performance in the live debate match what you’ve seen in the carefully-edited “interviews” with Couric and Gibson?

    Next, ask yourself how this Neanderthal hick managed to rack up a 75% approval rating among Democrats in her home state. Does it seem likely that the media version of Palin would manage to do that?

  513. You know, really, the panic evident in these Obama supporters has me feeling better about McCain’s chances in this election than I have in a couple of weeks. So thanks for lifting my spirits there, all you faithful Obama acolytes, and to think all it took was Palin injecting a tiny bit of truth telling into the conversation. Splendid. Really.

  514. Outside perspective: In Germany we had, from 1998 to 2005, a government full of politicians who not only talked to homegrown left wing radicals in the 60’s, but supported some of them actively by, for example, hiding them from the police force. Our foreign affairs minister, Joschka Fischer, the guy who had the balls to confront Rumsfeld, even beat and hurt officers back then. But 30 years later all of them did an excellent job in office. Unemployment is half now from what it was before. So what’s the big deal then with Obama knowing somebody, distantly, who meant trouble a long time ago? I wonder what dubious friends McCain has to offer. The world comes in shades of grey.

  515. “Palin is an airhead and embarrassment to the political process and you all know it.”

    Joey Hairplugs and Barack Hussein Obama had a contested election WHEN?

  516. Palin is an airhead and embarrassment to the political process and you all know it.

    And yet she made a 36+ year Senator into a gaffe-O-matic and outright liar on national TV.

    Go figure.

  517. Carlos – one of our concerns (I believe I speak for more than just myself) is that those who are supposed to investigate this stuff have given Obama a pass, while burning the midnight oil to uncover the most inconsequential stuff regarding Palin. After years in the spotlight, there should be little of mystery regarding the One. But … strangely … there are these huge gaping holes that no one seems to have the time or interest to investigate.

    But … regarding Trig’s birth? THEY ARE ON THE CASE!

    Can you not SEE why conservatives are suspect? To deny this is to merely admit one is a partisan hack.

  518. Dre, what I meant was that each party would select a candidate that represented the highest ethical and moral values, according to commonly-recognized standards. In the case of fanatical and/or radical organizations–particularly those with terrorist tendencies–I have serious doubts that either party would engage people with ties to any of these organizations. Well, one would hope…

  519. Dread Cthulhu I introduced you to some of Obama’s legislative accomplishments but you have given me one for McCain. Now I know good and well that in 26 years of being in Washington he has more than that. Should not be that hard to find with all of his years of experience. C’mon now.

  520. “Desperation truly brings out the WORST in people.”

    Yeah, like you posting on PW.

    Pitiful, just pitiful.

  521. Does anyone take Sarah palin serious? the woman is a bimbo, and as far as values, lets see her unwed, underage teenage daughter is working on her 2nd kid (yes, the one Sarah claims, is her daughters kid) I have also heard rumor of incest. this woman can’t even answer a question right, has anyone watched the debate or her interviews, and she wants to be heartbeat away from being president, I don’t think so.

  522. I have come to the unavoidable conclusion that in addition to possessing a less than basic understanding of the U.S. Constitution and the seperation of powers detailed therein, Sarah Palin

    I have come to the unavoidable conclusion that Axelrod needs to start hiring a better class of troll.

    By the way, “Michael”, your boy Hairplugs is the one who gaffed on the Constitution, not Palin, and he’s supposedly an expert on Constitutional law.

  523. Ah, Andy Sullivan has arrived.

  524. As one of your own conservatives said, “If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street by herself.”

  525. Sounds like a black seperatists, don’t he?

    Do you think Todd, husband of the VP pick, titled one of his autobiographies by quoting Vogler?

  526. “So what’s the big deal then with Obama knowing somebody, intimately distantly, who meant trouble on September 11, 2001ba long time ago?”

  527. It was interesting to see Palin admit that Republicans/Conservatives are for civil unions.

    Well, I suppose it is interesting for someone who has never … you know … talked to a republican/conservative.

    But, you know … babysteps denden.

  528. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 8:45 pm #

    “Desperation truly brings out the WORST in people.”

    Yeah, like you posting on PW.

    Pitiful, just pitiful.

    This is just fun for me watching you people getting so bent out of shape.

  529. Think this would stun some of the Obamabots?

    When Palin isn’t being a “bimbo” “cunt,” she sometimes makes executive decisions.

    Obama, on the other hand, has a proven ability to campaign.

    A wash, basically.

  530. Carlos, I’d invite you to spend some time in the archives here (now there’s a learning experience) especially to see that McCain, and his statist tendencies, have not received a universally warm welcome here. The other posters really are not being coy, much of the support you see here for him is more so default opposition to what we see from (and in) Obama (and his premature coronation by an incurious and incredulous media establishment.)

  531. “You McCaininites are truly scary.”

    Ah, that explains it.

    No connection to reality.

    AT. All.

  532. Comment by Carin on 10/4 @ 8:49 pm #

    It was interesting to see Palin admit that Republicans/Conservatives are for civil unions.

    Well, I suppose it is interesting for someone who has never … you know … talked to a republican/conservative.

    But, you know … babysteps denden.

    Actually I talk to conservatives everyday at work. They are nice people, unlike some of you on here with your insults and profanity etc.

  533. “I meant was that each party would select a candidate that represented the highest ethical and moral values, according to commonly-recognized standards”

    You Euros are on a different planet.

  534. Spies, I have watched the debate. There was great anticipation for it. In my case, I was not at all focused on how well she would rebound from the Kuric interview. I wanted to see if she could actually step up to the plate. And she did just that. When you place a young politician with limited experience against a senior Senator, the outcome was expected. However, I was discussing the issue of Sen. Obama’s association with this other group and accepting that I had little in-depth knowledge of it. I will, however, come back and retract if necessary. It would only be fair.

  535. Oh lets see who attend a church with a witch doctor? Who’s son joined the military because of being a drug addict? Who’s 17 year old daughter is knocked up and parties all the time? Who husband belonged to a group that wants to leave American?
    WoW people who live in glass igloos should not throw stones!
    Maccain Shut this women up she is losing the election for you .
    I use to respect you since little Carboo Barbie I wonder about your stability!

  536. The fact that Obama knows Bill Ayers gives him counter-terrorist experience, this is based on the same fact that Palin has foreign policy experience by being Governor of Alaska.

  537. I assume you watched the debate (if not, please do; the full debate is online in several venues).

    P.S. make sure to watch the whole thing, not “highlights” selected by one of those “reputable news organizations”.

    I’m not even asking you to admit that Palin won (though she did). I’m asking you to decide for yourself whether the Palin in the debate is consistent with the “Palin” you’ve seen in those “reputable news organizations”.

  538. You trolls are truly a thing to behold. Palin is a cunt and a bimbo. Makes me ashamed I ever was a democrat.

    It’s funny, though, because through the years we’ve seen liberal democrats pulls some pretty repulsive smears out.

  539. Dre, I live in Washington, D.C… I have for the past 38 years. I serve our federal Government. Trust me, I am very much in YOUR planet.

  540. Oh lets see who attend a church with a witch doctor?

    Who is an illiterate?

    Ana, that’s who.

  541. Maccain Shut this women up she is losing the election for you .

    I knew if we kept digging they’d start showing their tells.

  542. Comment by ana on 10/4 @ 8:52 pm #

    Maccain Shut this women up she is losing the election for you .
    I use to respect you since little Carboo Barbie I wonder about your stability!

    Gotta correct ya here. McCain is losing it by himself. Now Sarah does help, but saying the fundementals of the economy are strong just doesn’t help you.

  543. “They are nice people, unlike some of you on here with your insults and profanity etc.”

    Yo Progg link is your friend unless you are an asshole.

  544. I don’t think this has any legs at all. It’s a bunch of breastheaving on the right but given Palen’s traction, I don’t see the existential creep.

  545. Carlos, unfortunately for you, you made the rules.

    It is thoroughly established that an endorsement by a pastor whose church the candidate never attended is such a total black mark that the said candidate must absolutely repudiate that support, and can be criticized for being insufficiently insulting in doing so.

    You and your fellows are now attempting to establish that a candidate’s spouse‘s association with a fringe political party that is, in reality, primarily a drinking club is disqualifying.

    Very well, we can operate under that set of constraints. It means that any past association, however tentative, remote, or tangential, with anyone who can be described in less than savory terms is to be forcefully aired, and pounded upon until the candidate admits it, repudiates it, and begs forgiveness on bended knee. You set it up that way. You have no complaint.

    Regards,
    Ric

  546. Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 8:53 pm #

    The fact that Obama knows Bill Ayers gives him counter-terrorist experience, this is based on the same fact that Palin has foreign policy experience by being Governor of Alaska.

    Well she can see Russia from there.

  547. Obama clearly has a problem with women, and he’s not prepared to deal with round two with the Barracuda.

    He wanted to talk about healthcare.

    Bwahahahaha.

  548. “#Comment by Carlos on 10/4 @ 8:54 pm #

    Dre, I live in Washington, D.C… I have for the past 38 years. I serve our federal Government. Trust me, I am very much in YOUR planet.”

    MOOSE HUNTER NOW !!!!!

  549. So, all you obamabots, please explain to me why The Messiah’s long term relationship with Rev. Jeramiah Wright is any different than, say,if he had a long term relationship with George Lincoln Rockwell?

  550. “Comment by Carlos on 10/4 @ 8:54 pm #

    Dre, I live in Washington, D.C… I have for the past 38 years. I serve our federal Government. Trust me, I am very much in YOUR planet.”

    You just proved you DON’T.

  551. Actually I talk to conservatives everyday at work. They are nice people, unlike some of you on here with your insults and profanity etc.

    Wait, you came here. Spoiling for a fight.

    Then you complain about the reception?

    You got yourself in here, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

  552. - The Democrats are not the Democrats your daddy knew.

    – The Democrats are now the Marxicrats, and they run Marx-o-Socialists as their candidates.

    – Obama will do well in Russia.

  553. Oh well McCaininites it’s been fun irritating you for a little bit. Dread Cthulhu check on McCain’s legislative accomplishments in 26 years and get back to me. Awight, peace.

  554. Actually I talk to conservatives everyday at work. They are nice people, unlike some of you on here with your insults and profanity etc.

    Shit, did my potty mouth put you out? Funny, because Palin’s folksy talk was offputting, and now my more colorful colloquialism doesn’t sit right either.

    But, I will own my insults. Because, denden, you are a lightweight.

  555. Carlos is a better class of astroturfer.

    (Damn. This Greek Chorus stuff is kinda fun…)

  556. Well, GLR is kinda dead, there, N. O’Brain., so technically, that relationship would be more like a TV show than like, you know, real life.

  557. John Maverick Mccain, the champion of defeating earmarks on bills, votes YES on probably one of the most important bills of our time, at least with Obama we expected it.

  558. Comment by ThomasD on 10/4 @ 8:56 pm #

    Obama clearly has a problem with women, and he’s not prepared to deal with round two with the Barracuda.

    He wanted to talk about healthcare.

    Bwahahahaha.

    I thought people wanted to talk about issues that affect them. palin doesn’t affect Obama.

    Bwahahahaha.

  559. Well I suppose she has to resort to cheap theatrics over substance. And this is the person the Republicans are putting up for the top office in the country. Not only is she the most uninformed politician I have witnessed, but she is also a vicious person. Why not stick to the issues? But then I forgot that she does not know them. McCain could have done better; shame on him, making a mockery of this serious contest.

  560. Carlos is a better class of astroturfer.

    Actually, I think I kinda like Carlos.

    I hope he sticks around.

  561. WoW people who live in glass igloos should not throw stones!

    At least they are using a little imagination with this particular talking point.

    What’s this, the fourth way it has been said?

  562. Ric,

    I believe that both sides have associations that they would rather erase from this campaign. I am not concerned with either. However, it was Ms. Palin who fired the first shot. Having said that, my commitment here is to learn more about what I just decried as preposterous. But you have to give me some time to read about it, as I told Thomas D.

    Thanks.

  563. It was a hypothetical, SD. I’m waiting for one of the reactionary leftist heads to explode.

    Remember, the Nazis were Socialists, too.

  564. Palin doesn’t even know where McCain stands on issues.

  565. And this is the person the Republicans are putting up for the top office in the country.

    Vice President is higher than President now? Who knew?

    Cheney, you magnificent bastard.

  566. Barack Hussein Obama: GET IN THEIR FACE!

  567. palin doesn’t affect Obama.

    Then why the fuck doesn’t Obama just get on with his planned healthcare talkies? Why is he getting taken off message?

    Your nancy boy is getting slapped around by a girl.

  568. “I thought people wanted to talk about issues that affect them. palin doesn’t affect Obama.”

    Then why is the vein in your forehead throbbing like that?

  569. You all are not fit to polish the boots of Joe Vogler. Crybabies all of ya. If you had a spine, you would all damn america and their flag. Sarah Palin has guts, but she can’t show you her true colors yet. She’s gotten a special assignment from the AIP leader that you aren’t going to believe, so I can tell it to you and you will laugh. It’s amazing how much truth is out there in front of your noses while you chase the phantoms of the media manipulators. Go on and believe the Ayers fantasy. The republicans on that same CAC board were plants to fake you out.

  570. “Well I suppose she has to resort to cheap theatrics over substance.”

    BECAUSE OF THE HOPINESS AND THE CHANGITUDE!!!!!!

  571. “….at least with Obama we expected it.”

    – Yes. It must have been a flaming bitch to your indoctrinated skull to have to sit here for the past 20 months and watch CandyMan throw every one of your Leftist dogmas under the MagicBus, one by one.

    – But hey. Once you drink the koolaid there’s no going back, right?

  572. “I believe that both sides have associations that they would rather erase from this campaign”

    You are right! Barack Hussein Obama hanging out with Communists John McCain being hanged by Communists.

  573. Comment by ThomasD on 10/4 @ 9:02 pm #

    palin doesn’t affect Obama.

    Then why the fuck doesn’t Obama just get on with his planned healthcare talkies? Why is he getting taken off message?

    Your nancy boy is getting slapped around by a girl.

    Getting off message? You wish he would. Maybe McCain wouldn’t have left Michigan. Now losing badly in Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire, etc. This seems to be a recurring theme now.

  574. N. O’Brain wrote: You just proved you DON’T.

    Alright, alright, I get it…DC, Government, ethics, and morals in the same sentence, right? Very funny. But we can always hope that this would be the case.

  575. It’s not theatrics. Obama’s judgment is in fact an issue, Frank M, whether you like it or no. Getting cozy with the likes of Bill Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Father Phleger and others is just the sort of thing that would cause most people to question Sen Obama’s judgment.

  576. aip vorever

    Buh-bye, thor.

  577. And if the real thing don’t do the trick.
    You better make up something quick.

    Sounds like the theme song for the McShame campaign.

    If you tell the same lie often enough, it becomes the truth. And simple folks think they’re patriots while saluting a fraud. Karl Rove destroyed McShame and recreated him in his own image.

    The truth will set you free. Joe Vogler was RIGHT!!

  578. I’m glad he picked Palin, it makes our case better, and what’s wrong with socialism? we have socialized our post offices, our libraries, and now our financial system, socialism works in it’s true form, in the words of Francisco Franco “Our regime is based on blood and bayonets, not hypocritical elections”

  579. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:03 pm #

    “I thought people wanted to talk about issues that affect them. palin doesn’t affect Obama.”

    Then why is the vein in your forehead throbbing like that?

    I think you have it confused with the scar on McCain’s face.

  580. You just know how good Cheney is at his chosen career…when he can hold what is arguably the second most powerful position in the world…and completely disappear for weeks at a time. Like him or hate him, any man who can do that is a Spook ya wouldn’t wanna fool with.

  581. “#Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:01 pm #

    Palin doesn’t even know where McCain stands on issues.”

    Ask Joey Hairplugs about “Clean Coal”.

  582. Comment by aip vorever on 10/4 @ 9:03 pm #

    Wow, a real, honest to ghod reactionary leftist agent provocateur.

    And you thought the KGB was dead and buried.

  583. omment by dre on 10/4 @ 9:07 pm #

    “#Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:01 pm #

    Palin doesn’t even know where McCain stands on issues.”

    Ask Joey Hairplugs about “Clean Coal”.

    Doesn’t change the fact she has no idea where McCain stands on issues.

  584. However, it was Ms. Palin who fired the first shot.

    I’d suggest you start clearing up your misconceptions right there.

    The association between Obama and Ayers has been discussed extensively, that you only took note of it now certainly begs an explanation. Perhaps someone, or some ones have been keeping you out of the loop.

    In a televised interview last spring, Senator John McCain, Mr. Obama’s Republican rival, asked, “How can you countenance someone who was engaged in bombings that could have or did kill innocent people?”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

  585. Well Carlos you say Palin fired the first shot, so where do you think all the smears about Trig being Bristol baby etc, etc come from. They sure as hell didn’t come from the Republicans.

    There has only been one sleazy smear job in this election and that was against Sarah Palin. The Ayers and Annenburg issues are things the Obama has either hid or outright lied about.

    They are legitimate questions that have never answered.

  586. I’m glad he picked Palin, it makes our case better

    Sure it does. That’s why you and all your Kiddie Koolaid Kult buddies are over here having a hissy fit.

    and what’s wrong with socialism?

    I think you’ve found a great new campaign slogan for Obama. Urge him to go with it!

  587. “Comment by Warren Bonesteel on 10/4 @ 9:06 pm #

    You just know how good Cheney is at his chosen career”

    Cheney/Palin ’08

  588. Wow, a real, honest to ghod reactionary leftist agent provocateur.

    It’s thor, N. O’B.

  589. “I think you have it confused with the scar on McCain’s face.”

    The one his communist torturers gave him?

  590. Lets see here McCain can’t win on issues, can’t win on experience, so I guess going to associations is the next thing he plans on not winning.

  591. “….Francisco Franco “Our regime is based on blood and bayonets, not hypocritical elections”

    – So now we have open Fascists within the Moonbat ranks.

    – Someone check quick and see if someone is lugging the putrefied body of Lenin around with the Obama campaign.

    – Common fellow PW’ers. You knew it was just a matter of time.

  592. Socialism will come to this Country, like it or not that’s the future, and it was the Republicans that will drive us there, the democrats will only lead the way.

  593. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:11 pm #

    “I think you have it confused with the scar on McCain’s face.”

    The one his communist torturers gave him?

    Your point? He’s not the only POW so you can put that card away now.

  594. “Doesn’t change the fact she has no idea where McCain stands on issues.”

    Either produce evidence about your assertion or shut the fuck up Barack Hussein Obamabot.

  595. I want to know what Sarah Palin is hiding in the Trooper Gate scandal. Why won’t she testify after saying she would cooperate? What is she hiding? How can a candidate for one of the top offices in America totally ignore a court order to testify? Instead of scraping up old news that has already been disproven, she should be answering questions regarding her role in this scandal. Palin is living is a glass house and has the nerve to throw stones. TESTIFY SARAH PALIN. You do that and I’ll take what you say seriously.

  596. So…

    How ’bout them Mets, huh?

  597. “Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 9:10 pm #

    Wow, a real, honest to ghod reactionary leftist agent provocateur.

    It’s thor, N. O’B.”

    I know, SBP.

  598. I want to know what Sarah Palin is hiding in the Trooper Gate scandal.

    I want to know how much Axelrod is paying you.

    Whatever it is, it’s too much. :-)

  599. I hate the green, socialist, and communist religion of islam.

  600. - Still dimdim, one has to wonder if you’re all so really iron clad sure your wonder boy has it locked why launch such a time consuming and rapacious text flood on a Classic Liberal blogsite.

    – Dost thou protest to loudly perhaps?

  601. P.S.:
    Do witches get sick a lot?

  602. “Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:12 pm #

    Your point? He’s not the only POW so you can put that card away now.”

    Ad you MOS was…..what?

  603. Comment by dre on 10/4 @ 9:13 pm #

    “Doesn’t change the fact she has no idea where McCain stands on issues.”

    Either produce evidence about your assertion or shut the fuck up Barack Hussein Obamabot.

    You produce facts that she does. She doesn’t even agree with him on pulling out of Michigan. And cool out with the internet gangsta talk. It’s not all impressive. It just doesn’t have the same sting on the internet. Try again.

  604. I’d love to stick around a while–and I am not caving in, trust me–but I have to catch a flight at 6:15. In the final analysis, I sincerely hope that whoever gets to the White House fixes the economy and returns us to the superpower status that we’ve always been. Best of luck, don’t take second mortgages, don’t buy any real estate on contingency, don’t overspend, and drive less! Good night, everyone.

  605. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:15 pm #

    “Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:12 pm #

    Your point? He’s not the only POW so you can put that card away now.”

    Ad you MOS was…..what?

    31U10 Signal Support Systems Specialist.

  606. “Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 10/4 @ 9:11 pm #

    “….Francisco Franco “Our regime is based on blood and bayonets, not hypocritical elections”

    – So now we have open Fascists within the Moonbat ranks.”

    There is no God but God, and Jonah Goldberg is His prophet.

  607. Carlos,

    No, sorry. The parameters of that system were set long ago, when Democrats tried to argue that Obama’s twenty years of continuous attendance at the same church under the same pastor was not relevant, despite his having quoted that pastor in his autobiograph[y|ies] as basic to his thinking — whereas endorsement of McCain by the pastor of a megachurch in San Antonio which McCain never attended, and whose theology McCain was only barely if at all acquainted with, was a major embarrassment. The two assertions are mutually contradictory; if one is reasonable the other is not. The cliché is “what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.”

    I doubt very seriously that an adult American exists who has no embarrassing associations in his or her past, and if such does exist it is unlikely that that person has what it takes to participate in politics. If nothing else, anyone with known relatives as far out as first cousin is pretty well guaranteed to have at least one Billy Carter in the bunch. But if such associations are to be lasciviously discussed and used in attempts to disqualify, as the Media Press insist in their search for startlement and titillation, all the candidates should receive the same benefit from the procedure, not just those of one party. If Joe Vogler is relevant to anything whatever, then Wright, Rezko, Raines, and the rest of that menagerie are at least equally to be examined.

    Regards,
    Ric

  608. I’d love to stick around a while–and I am not caving in, trust me–but I have to catch a flight at 6:15.

    We’ll be here.

    . Best of luck, don’t take second mortgages, don’t buy any real estate on contingency, don’t overspend, and drive less!

    Good advice for anyone.

  609. “Comment by toni on 10/4 @ 9:13 pm #

    I want to know what Sarah Palin is hiding in the Trooper Gate scandal.”

    Nothing.

    NEXT!

  610. I am a white 67 yr old white female and I will send a nice size check to Obama tomorrow after hearing what Palin said. She is a pig with a lot of lipstick.

  611. I am completely sick and tired of McShame and his moronic sidekick. And seriously worried that Americans are so xenophobic that they only see the color of Barack Obama skin, and do not see the compassionate and intelligent person that he is. John McCain is probably the most despicable candidate that has ever run for the office of POTUS.

  612. “Why won’t Rezko she testify after saying she would cooperate? What is <strikeshe hiding? How can a candidate for one of the top offices in America totally ignore a court order to testify?”

  613. I’m confused here. Are we watching a play by Aristophenes or by Aeschylus?

    ‘Cause it’s either comedic tragdey or farce. I’m not sure which.

    Either way, it’s very entertaining. Don’t you think?

  614. Ahhh, denden91, didn’t you say you were leaving? #558?

    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

  615. Lookie here, trolls. NYT actually reports what went on at Freddie and Fannie.

  616. Comment by lee on 10/4 @ 9:18 pm #

    Ahhh, denden91, didn’t you say you were leaving? #558?

    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

    When I’m good and ready. NEXT.

  617. “only see the color of Barack Obama skin, and do not see the compassionate and intelligent person that he is”

    When is Barack Hussein Obama going to send the “HUT SWEET HUT” sign to his 1/2 bro George?

  618. So much for conducting a campaign of issues and dignity.

    Sarah Palin’s life is now an open book and setting aside her ability to get elected the Governor of a small state, there appears to be information to suggest a background and events that at best could serve as a role model for Americans. If you want to judge Obama because of an association with someone with less than a sterling past, how about your own life. I would not be proud of a unwed pregnant daughter, a scandal involving abuse of power of your office to take revenge on your ex brother in law,consorting with a devil worshiper, allegedly a son who abused drugs, your alleged affair with your husbands business partner, your escapades in colleges (6) in (4) years.

    Deciding to charge rape victims for testing kits, cutting off funds for the special olympics.. enough said.

    Palin is hardly in a position to talk to anyone about character or associations. From what I read she is not an admirable person nor has managed her own life in a manner to hold herself up as a role model.

    Slinging mud might be viewed as a way to score point, I think it has done the opposite.

    She apparently has traded on her looks to get a head and that may have sold in Alaska, but I see her as a dumb empty suit.

  619. Hey. I heard there was a kegger at this address.

  620. “Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:16 pm #

    31U10 Signal Support Systems Specialist.”

    Sure it was, troll.

  621. Warren Bonesteel: Either way, it’s very entertaining. Don’t you think?

    Yes, it is.

    What’s even better is knowing that your Greek chorus reference went over the heads of about about 99.9995% of the trollbots.

    They probably think you’re talking about Eurovision or something.

  622. That’s nice, Geraldine. Now, bug off.

  623. “Comment by Geraldine on 10/4 @ 9:17 pm #

    I am a white 67 yr old white female and I will send a nice size check to Obama tomorrow after hearing what Palin said.”

    Little bit behind the curve there, Grandma.

    The debate was the other night.

  624. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:20 pm #

    “Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:16 pm #

    31U10 Signal Support Systems Specialist.”

    Sure it was, troll.

    And what was yours? I have my DD-214.

  625. “Sarah Palin’s life is now an open book and setting aside her ability to get elected the Governor of a small state,”

    Joey Hairplugs was elected to a state larger than the drilling area for ANWR!

  626. Did anyone ever figure out where all the Obamite visitors came from or in the alternative, were urged to come from?

  627. Well, here it comes. No policies. No solutions. Sling the mud. Before McCain campaign begins to get too muddy, they better remember “The Keating Five Scandal” and a man who repeatedly cheated on his first wife. How dirty do you want to get? Palin under investigation.

  628. Geek, your Sen. ACORN Voting Present candidate is an empty suit. Ta.

  629. I am a white 67 yr old white female and I will send a nice size check to Obama tomorrow after hearing what Palin said. She is a pig with a lot of lipstick.

    You GO girl! I heard that Palin not only got the evangelical Republicans donating, but the patriots trying to restore democracy, protect civil rights, block illegal surveillance, remove tax cuts for the rich? The increase there WAS ACTUALLY EVEN HIGHER! THANKS SARAH PALIN!! LMAO!

  630. So many anencephalic Republicans, so little time.

  631. Either way, it’s very entertaining. Don’t you think?

    Well Warren I was on FreeRepublic and Little Green Footballs the night that they blew up Dan Rather’s career. I have to say this isn’t as much fun as that but it is the best I’ve had in a while.

  632. “And what was yours? I have my DD-214.”

    Don’t have one, troll.

    And I’m SURE you do.

  633. “From what I read”

    Metrosexuals like Barack Hussein Obama and John F Kerry are assholes.

  634. Desperation sure isn’t a pretty sight, lol. What’s this about Obama palling around with terrorists?

    Oh Silly Sarah, can we talk about your connection to The Independence Party in Alaska that advocated cession from the USA?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

  635. Selling people houses they couldn’t afford, creating a financial disaster, having sex with GSE execs, defending their practices in hearings.

  636. “Before McCain campaign begins to get too muddy, they better remember “The Keating Five Scandal””

    He was completely exonerated by the prosecutor.

    The Democrats wouldn’t leave him alone, however.

  637. Teri B: You’ve got the desperation, all right. All that stuff’s been debunked for weeks.

  638. ““The Keating Five Scandal””

    Maverick goes bi links with 4 DEMORATS!!!!!!

  639. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:24 pm #

    “And what was yours? I have my DD-214.”

    Don’t have one, troll.

    And I’m SURE you do.

    Oh wait a minute you weren’t even in and are questioning whether or not I was? I served my country and what have you done for yours. Even Rev. Wright served and you haven’t? Don’t ever question my service to my country. Either suit up or shut up.

  640. -#620

    – Oh Noes Dan. Say it isn;t true. Whats going on? First Aryes, now Fannie.

    – Is the old grey Pravda stabbing their masters on the Left in the back?

    – TRAITERS!11eleventy!1

  641. Desperation sure isn’t a pretty sight, lol.

    Oh, I don’t know about that. I’m enjoying the desperation on display in this thread quite a bit, “Teri”.

  642. “Oh Silly Sarah, can we talk about your connection to The Independence Party in Alaska that advocated cession from the USA?”

    GO SARAH GET AWAY FROM THESE FASCIST GOONS!

  643. I know, it’s terrible the way that they’ve been forced to report the news.

  644. Republicans = voting against same sex marriages, and the having sex in an airport bathroom with men.

  645. Those people in Vermont, though, who’ve been talking secession? Patriots.

  646. Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:26 pm #

    Sorry, troll, I volunteered but was not accepted. For medical reasons.

    In 1968, at the height of the Viet Nam war.

    Currently I have a son in the US Marine Corps. He’ll be deploying to Afghanistan sometime in Novemver.

    So take your “suit up” comment and shove it up your ass, troll.

  647. “You’ve been hearing from those same “reputable” “news organizations” that Palin is borderline retarded, never reads anything, has no knowledge of foreign policy, etc.”

    no, we’ve heard that from palin herself.

    give me a week to memorize a few talking points, put me in a debate format where the opponent and moderator can’t challenge me for not answering the questions, and put me in front of a gullible audience who believes that so long as i don’t fall on my face and put together a coherent sentence or two i’ve done well, and i can “hold my own” against biden as well … i’m sorry, but reciting tidbits from a stump speech and surrounding it with a bunch of fluff and over-broad generalizations is not holding your own in any debate … it’s not looking like a complete fool.

    forget all this crap about the AIP, or witch doctors, or whatever. she’s yet to demonstrate she has any grasp on the issues, and can thoughtfully answer a question … or, even simply answer a question.

  648. Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:28 pm #

    Republicans = voting against same sex marriages, and the having sex in an airport bathroom with men.

    They are for civil unions though. Didn’t you here? Sarah said so.

  649. #

    Comment by geek on 10/4 @ 9:19 pm #

    So much for conducting a campaign of issues and dignity.

    Sarah Palin’s life is now an open book and setting aside her ability to get elected the Governor of a small state, there appears to be information to suggest a background and events that at best could serve as a role model for Americans. If you want to judge Obama because of an association with someone with less than a sterling past, how about your own life. I would not be proud of a unwed pregnant daughter, a scandal involving abuse of power of your office to take revenge on your ex brother in law,consorting with a devil worshiper, allegedly a son who abused drugs, your alleged affair with your husbands business partner, your escapades in colleges (6) in (4) years.

    Deciding to charge rape victims for testing kits, cutting off funds for the special olympics.. enough said.

    Palin is hardly in a position to talk to anyone about character or associations. From what I read she is not an admirable person nor has managed her own life in a manner to hold herself up as a role model.

    Slinging mud might be viewed as a way to score point, I think it has done the opposite.

    She apparently has traded on her looks to get a head and that may have sold in Alaska, but I see her as a dumb empty suit.

    (WORDS WORTH REPEATING THANKS)

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  651. sailingwindward–
    Democrats having sex with GSE employees, then defending their business practices in Congress=heroes.

  652. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:29 pm #

    Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:26 pm #

    Sorry, troll, I volunteered but was not accepted. For medical reasons.

    In 1968, at the height of the Viet Nam war.

    Currently I have a son in the US Marine Corps. He’ll be deploying to Afghanistan sometime in Novemver.

    So take your “suit up” comment and shove it up your ass, troll.

    I’ll say again don’t ever question my service to my country.

  653. (WORDS WORTH REPEATING THANKS)

    Which is why you’ll copy and paste them over, and over, and over again, no matter how many times they get debunked.

  654. And denden91 brings back the ever popular chickenhawk theme, Now we know he’s automatically right. (Yes, I’m a veteran too.)

  655. :Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:28 pm #

    Republicans = voting against same sex marriages, and the having sex in an airport bathroom with men.”

    Wait, I thought that mindless prociscuous sex was part of the Democratic Party’s platform.

  656. Before either Palin, McCain or Obama throws mud they should watch Saving Our Economy. What’s Next? on FOX news . It shows the history of the bailout problem. The problems start in 1977, then Freddie/Fannie and shows when Obama worked for ACORN. What is ACORN? Both Republicans and Democrats are to blame and only you will be able to intelligently assess the degree of blame. But it is a must see before you vote in this election. Just watch it, do your own research and make up your mind. It could be the end of our country as we know it. I consider this view a civic duty.

  657. Civil unions? I guess that makes it OK then for the Republicans to blow each other in Bathrooms of Congress, I think they slipped that in to the bill.

  658. “Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:32 pm #

    Civil unions? I guess that makes it OK then for the Republicans to blow each other in Bathrooms of Congress, I think they slipped that in to the bill.”

    Wait, I thought that mindless prociscuous sex was part of the Democratic Party’s platform.

    Who knew?

  659. Governor Palin doesn’t have any terrorist friends yet cause of her inexperience so she has to criticize Baracky’s. Jeez. Jealous much you think?

  660. I guess that makes it OK then for the Republicans to blow each other in Bathrooms of Congress

    Sure. Clinton made it legal to get hummers in government offices, remember?

  661. Comment by Dan Collins on 10/4 @ 9:30 pm #

    sailingwindward–
    Democrats having sex with GSE employees, then defending their business practices in Congress=heroes.

    Was it with the opposite sex?

  662. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 9:20 pm #

    “What’s even better is knowing that your Greek chorus reference went over the heads of about about 99.9995% of the trollbots.”

    But it’s so much fun to address the 00.0015% who do get it. :O)

    Which is pretty much why there’s a Greek Chorus to begin with, of course.

  663. “Barney FrwankRepublicans = voting against Fannie/Freddie regs same sex marriages, and the having a male lover running a house of prostitution out of Barney’s house band Barney’s boyfriend was also an executive for Fanniesex in an airport bathroom with men.”

  664. “Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:30 pm #

    Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:29 pm #

    Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:26 pm #

    “I’ll say again don’t ever question my service to my country.”

    Your severice? Maybe not.

    Your patriotism, on the other hand…


  665. Was it with the opposite sex?

    He’s talking about Barney Frank’s boyfriend, numbskull.

  666. Yes but Barney is open about having sex with Fred.

  667. Mud? Bill Ayers isn’t mud. He’s a friend of Barack and Michelle Obama, he lives in their neighborhood, his kids and the Obama kids attended the same school. So quit with the mud stuff. Heck, Bill Ayers has a Phd in Education and tenure at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And did I mention he’s a friend of Barack Obama?

  668. Comment by poppa india on 10/4 @ 9:31 pm #

    And denden91 brings back the ever popular chickenhawk theme, Now we know he’s automatically right. (Yes, I’m a veteran too.)

    This clown N. O’Brain didn’t even serve and has the audacity to say that I didn’t when I told him I did, and I have the proof to back it up. You are not your son N. O’Brain. I respect your sons service and any other military person, even if we disagree politically, but don’t ever disrespect mine and you didn’t even wear the uniform for whatever reason.

  669. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:35 pm #

    “Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:30 pm #

    Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:29 pm #

    Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:26 pm #

    “I’ll say again don’t ever question my service to my country.”

    Your severice? Maybe not.

    Your patriotism, on the other hand…

    My patriotism? WOW and you didn’t wear any uniform. UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!

  670. There’s the exit dumdum.

    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

  671. I checked and Bill Ayers has not been convicted of any terrorism that I can find, so how does this all matter?

  672. Palin’s Attack On Obama’s Patriotism Legitimizes Questions About The Palins’ Association With Group Founded By America-Hating Secessionist.

    The founder of the AIP was a man named Joe Vogler. Here’s what he had to say in a 1991 interview, only a few years before Palin attended its convention: “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.”

    He also said this: “And I won’t be buried under their damn flag. I’ll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.”

    Vogler has also said: “I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.”

    McCain apologists will argue that Sarah Palin was not a member of this group. But Obama wasn’t a member of any Ayers anti-American group, either. And again, Palin repeatedly courted the AIP, and her husband was a member for years

    Read the entire
    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php

  673. “Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:38 pm #

    I checked and Bill Ayers has not been convicted of any terrorism that I can find, so how does this all matter?”

    Because the prosecutors fucked up.

    Besides, he’s bragged about it.

    You’re not too bright, are you?

  674. “It’s thor, N. O’B.”

    I know, SBP.”

    I hope so. Around post 400 I wondered where the party’s host was at.

  675. I checked and Bill Ayers has not been convicted

    Neither had OJ, until yesterday.

    so how does this all matter?

    Well, you’re the one posting hundreds of messages about it, genius, so I guess it must matter to you.

  676. “#Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:38 pm #

    I checked and Bill Ayers has not been convicted of any terrorism that I can find, so how does this all matter?”

    OJ wasn’t convicted until TODAY mr. Barack Hussein Obama Idiot.

  677. Ironic–When the Republicans have nothing of substance to offer they fall back on the cornerstone of their failed policies: FEAR

  678. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:37 pm #

    There’s the exit dumdum.

    Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    A patriotic chickenhawk. WOW!! Now this is a first.

  679. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:39 pm #
    Because the prosecutors fucked up

    It doesn’t answer the question, perhaps you can’t read.

  680. geek proclaimed:
    Deciding to charge rape victims for testing kits, cutting off funds for the special olympics.. enough said.

    You’re certainly lying enough.

  681. Comment by royf on 10/4 @ 9:24 pm #

    “Well Warren I was on FreeRepublic and Little Green Footballs the night that they blew up Dan Rather’s career. I have to say this isn’t as much fun as that but it is the best I’ve had in a while.”

    I was there that night, myself. Sadly, FR has gone the way of ideological purity since then. Dissenting opinions are no longer allowed. They took the road more traveled…

  682. hi. I worked all day and I’m zausted and it looks like I missed a lot. I don’t understand why being embraced by terrorists doesn’t send up a red flag. The 9/11 Commission was very clear that going forward we should not elect friends of terrorists to the presidency.

  683. The founder of the AIP was a man named Joe Vogler.

    Link to Vogler bombing the Pentagon?

    Thanks.

  684. Comment by Paul on 10/4 @ 9:40 pm #

    Ironic–When the Republicans have nothing of substance to offer they fall back on the cornerstone of their failed policies: FEAR

    Yep that about sums it up.

  685. Fear, it’s what the Obamites are exhibiting today. Wonder why?

  686. O.J. was innocent until today.

  687. - Alright denden, I wore the uniform in two campaigns, so stuff a sock in it. Dickie wagging doesn’t impress anyone here, any more than the juvenile attempts by your group to thread jack.

    – You might start by evidencing an education a bit higher than the 9th grade.

    – What you should be doing is sweating bullets in the NYT has decided it needs to get back to real news instead of carrying wonder boys water. Its getting dangerously close to going out of business, so that could be the reason it seems to be trying to tell the truth for the first time in many years.

    – You need to pay attention to that. You lose the MSM and your boy is toast.

  688. Does anyone realized that Palin and McCain are doing the same exact bullshit song and dance that got Bush into office…not once, but twice. AND PEOPLE ARE STILL LISTENING. Even after the war…after 4000+ of our troops have been slaughtered, after hundreds of THOUSANDS of innocent Iraqis have been murdered. PEOPLE ARE STILL BUYING INTO THIS FEAR MUSLIMS BULLSHIT. FEAR EVERYTHING. FEAR OUR NEIGHBORS FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY. IT IS UNPATRIOTIC NOT TO FEAR. Our economy is in the toilet, we will be facing some of the toughest ENERGY crises ever in the coming years, and people still look with hope in their eyes to a man and women who embrace violence, who embrace racisim (not all Muslims are crazy muslim extreamist who want to kill people. Most are in fact, lovely people.) who embrace BIG OIL (hello? its running out, so lets try something different!), and the Bush way of doing things. For God’s sake, Palin IS NOT READY NOR WILL SHE EVER BE READY TO LEAD A COUNTRY LET ALONE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. McCain is a very old man and he could quite possibly die while in office. God help us if Palin becomes president.

    AMERICA PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES. Obama and Biden are not saints but they are LEVEL HEADED AND JUST. THEY WILL HELP BRING BACK TRUST AND INTEGRETY TO WHITE HOUSE AND TO THIS FLOUNDERING COUNTRY. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. MUSLIMS AND EVERYONE ELSE! ENOUGH WITH THE FEAR. AREN’T YOU SICK OF IT TOO?!

  689. Pingback: Water Seeks Its Own Level … Sarah Palin Tells Crowd Obama Is “Palling Around” With Terrorists | Scared Monkeys

  690. “But Obama wasn’t a member of any Ayers anti-American group, either.”

    Obama/Ayers ran the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. CAC was/is ANTI-AMERICAN.

  691. Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 10/4 @ 9:42 pm #

    – Alright denden, I wore the uniform in two campaigns, so stuff a sock in it. Dickie wagging doesn’t impress anyone here, any more than the juvenile attempts by your group to thread jack.

    – You might start by evidencing an education a bit higher than the 9th grade.

    – What you should be doing is sweating bullets in the NYT has decided it needs to get back to real news instead of carrying wonder boys water. Its getting dangerously close to going out of business, so that could be the reason it seems to be trying to tell the truth for the first time in many years.

    – You need to pay attention to that. You lose the MSM and your boy is toast.

    Yo son don’t talk to me.

  692. Notice that the trolls are now using the Pee-Wee Herman argument: “I know you are, but what am I?” The Straw Man/Red Herring argument.

  693. Ah, Lizzy. Another graduate of the ALL CAPS school of Obama indoctrination.

  694. “Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:42 pm #

    O.J. was innocent until today.”

    And you still not very bright.

  695. denden91 – I have 7 DD-214s. Since 7 is more than 1, that makes me smarter, better looking and more trustful on matters of national importance than you, right?

    Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance. Now, go get me a juicebox!

  696. Yo son don’t talk to me.

    If you don’t want people to talk to you, get the fuck out.

    Thanks.

  697. Baracky Chavez has all kinds of shit planned for America I think.

  698. Comment by MCPO Airdale on 10/4 @ 9:44 pm #

    denden91 – I have 7 DD-214s. Since 7 is more than 1, that makes me smarter, better looking and more trustful on matters of national importance than you, right?

    Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance. Now, go get me a juicebox!

    Not impressed by you either chump.

  699. “PEOPLE ARE STILL BUYING INTO THIS FEAR MUSLIMS BULLSHIT.”

    I wonder if the MUSLIM, Barack Hussein Obama, has a suicide vest policy?

  700. I wore a uniform dimdim USMC 1965-1969 and I question you patriotism. But I do realize your just a useful idiot who can’t think actions and consequences through.

  701. Obama was 8 years old when Ayers allegedly did all these unsubstantiated dirty deeds.

  702. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 9:44 pm #

    Yo son don’t talk to me.

    If you don’t want people to talk to you, get the fuck out.

    Thanks.

    And another one with profanity because hismind doesn’t know what else to say. I see why you clowns support McCain. You’re as stupid as he is.

  703. denden91: “Lugar/Obama Nuclear Proliferation Bill; preventing stockpile Russian Nuclear weapons from ending up in terrorist hands.”

    Not really — no one is in favor of terrorists getting nukes and pretty much everyone in Congress is in favor of spending money. A fluffy, feel-good effort that required no effort or expenditure of political capital or risk on Obama’s part. Care to try again?

  704. Comment by Lizzy on 10/4 @ 9:42 pm #

    Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:42 pm #

    Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:42 pm #

    Holy crap, they’re like cockroaches scurrying around when you turn the light on.

  705. #631 #

    Comment by Sdferr on 10/4 @ 9:22 pm #

    Did anyone ever figure out where all the Obamite visitors came from or in the alternative, were urged to come from?

    CNN, apparently. Which says even less for CNN’s audience than I already suspected.

    The “Media Matters” reference (to Sen. McCain’s supposed “treason”, I guess) way upthread sent this thread from amusing in a “Interstate pile-up” sort of way to a whole new level of sublime absurdity.

    I genuinely find it hard to believe anyone takes George Soros’ lickspittle seriously anymore.

  706. This lady is goofy! The party of hate is now the party that decides who is a terrorist? Palin is starting to sound like Adolf Hitler. I’m an independent and I’ve decided my vote will not be going to the Republicans this time around. She and McCain don’t fool intelligent Americans with their skewed spin.

  707. Paul
    Ironic–When the Republicans have nothing of substance to offer they fall back on the cornerstone of their failed policies: FEAR

    More like Proggs tend to project a bit.

  708. OJ wasn’t innocent until today. He was to be considered innocent, in the eyes of the law until today. There’s a difference, but being an Obamabot, you wouldn’t understand what it is.

  709. CAPS HELP GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS. OR JUST ANNOY THE HELL OUT OF YOU.

  710. Obama was 8 years old when Ayers allegedly did all these unsubstantiated dirty deeds.

    Really? He was only 8 when he was running the CAC, burning through 150 million dollars of money that was supposed improve education for poor kids?

  711. Ayers hates America.

    Ayers hearts Baracky.

    DANGER

  712. denden: “Still waiting on Dread Cthulhu to get back to me on McCain’s legislation in 26 years.”

    I’m still waiting for you to come up with a real accomplishment… I mean, seriously, a unified database is the best thing you can come up with for bipartisan effort? Please.

    We’re used to a much better class of troll around these parts.

  713. CAPS HELP GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS.

    Sure they do, Lizzy.

    Chuckle.

  714. Oh, for a world where “unsubstantiated” equals self-professed. Oh, wait, we’ve already got one.

  715. Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:20 pm #

    “Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:16 pm #

    31U10 Signal Support Systems Specialist.”

    Sure it was, troll.

    I’ve got my doubts. You have to be smart to get that MOS. Someone who’s still trhowing around the “chickenhawk” charge doens’t make that cut.

    Unless something happened. Is this disability of your service connected?

  716. sailwindward: “Obama was 8 years old when Ayers allegedly did all these unsubstantiated dirty deeds.”

    How old was he when Ayers said he regretted not setting more bombs?

  717. And another one with profanity because hismind doesn’t know what else to say. I see why you clowns support McCain. You’re as stupid as he is.

    Yo son don’t talk to me.

  718. …and lizzy, after loudly claiming the icky people who disagrees with her use FEAR, (FEAR!!!) to promote their cause, proves my point with:
    Our economy is in the toilet, we will be facing some of the toughest ENERGY crises ever in the coming years, and people still look with hope in their eyes to a man and women who embrace violence, who embrace racisim (not all Muslims are crazy muslim extreamist who want to kill people. Most are in fact, lovely people.) who embrace BIG OIL (hello? its running out, so lets try something different!), and the Bush way of doing things.

    Oooga booga! Follow the progressive path or all is lost! Boo!

  719. Comment by royf on 10/4 @ 9:45 pm #

    I wore a uniform dimdim USMC 1965-1969 and I question you patriotism. But I do realize your just a useful idiot who can’t think actions and consequences through.

    I question yours old man. Your old dinosaur ways of thinking, your intimidation of someone educated who actually has plans for the country, I question how you stupid people are so patriotic but you support a guy who has men and women dying for oil in Iraq, and those WMD’s that were never found.

  720. Top Ten Ways To Post Like A Conspiracy Lunatic

    8. Use “quotation” marks, *highlighting*, CAPITAL LETTERS and exclamation points!!!! indiscriminately.

    Example: All the “official” photographs of the Roswell “debris” are clearly photographs of weather balloon material, *proving* CONCLUSIVELY that the “government” *removed* the REAL remains and substituted the balloon parts in a vain attempt at a COVERUP!!!!!!!

  721. - “Son” – Heh – you dumb cunt. I could kick your ass through your shorts without breaking a sweat.

    – But I understand why you don’t care to address what I posted. Doesn’t fit the “Narrative” right den-den boy?

    – You came here tonight to thrown some shit around, but instead you’re getting some really bad news.

    – Tough shit. Deal with it whiny ass.

  722. CNN, Spiny? How is that? CNN cited PW in an article or somemat?

  723. 717

    Ayers ♥ Barack Hussein Obama

    no pre

  724. Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/4 @ 9:49 pm #

    Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 9:20 pm #

    “Comment by denden91 on 10/4 @ 9:16 pm #

    31U10 Signal Support Systems Specialist.”

    Sure it was, troll.

    I’ve got my doubts. You have to be smart to get that MOS. Someone who’s still trhowing around the “chickenhawk” charge doens’t make that cut.

    Unless something happened. Is this disability of your service connected?

    Gotcha old man.

  725. Show where O.J. has a conviction for murder, you can’t, it’s only allegations, here-say and rumors, if you believe everything that the police and prosecutors say, then barry Sheck (Innocence project) would not be in business

  726. Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 10/4 @ 9:50 pm #

    – “Son” – Heh – you dumb cunt. I could kick your ass through your shorts without breaking a sweat.

    – But I understand why you don’t care to address what I posted. Doesn’t fit the “Narrative” right den-den boy?

    – You came here tonight to thrown some shit around, but instead you’re getting some really bad news.

    – Tough shit. Deal with it whiny ass.

    Another internet gangsta LOL!!! You people talk tough on here to someone you know nothing about. That is really stupid actually. Shows your intelligence.

  727. #698 Comment by Warren Bonesteel on 10/4 @ 9:44 pm #

    Notice that the trolls are now using the Pee-Wee Herman argument: “I know you are, but what am I?” The Straw Man/Red Herring argument.Which suggests to me that the median age of this group is about 19 or 20 (and emotionally, even younger).

  728. Lizzy wrote:
    CAPS HELP GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS. OR JUST ANNOY THE HELL OUT OF YOU.

    Yes, and the message is: “Lizzy is an ignoramus who feels the equivalent of shouting is a valid form of argument.”

  729. Sdferr, Jeff linked it upthread. It’s in a “What the Blogs are Saying” section (I forget the exact title).

  730. Todd Pail was a member of the secessionist movement in Alaska until 2002, the Alaska Independence Party, which says that its ultimate goal is seceding from the union. An independent Alaska. A traitor.

  731. I didn’t say he did, sww. And it’s “hearsay”, dolt.

  732. However, in this case it’s been proved that he’s been guilty since the commission of the crime.

  733. “Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:52 pm #

    Show where O.J. has a conviction for murder, you can’t”

    Convicted on a civil suit DUDE!!!!!!

  734. Final comment for you idiots. Get used to President Barack Obama and Vice President Biden.

  735. N. O’Brain:
    UN-ALTERED dissemination of this IMPORTANT information is ENCOURAGED!

  736. And only this case.

  737. Final comment for you idiots.

    Is that a promise?

  738. I do see where CNN corrected their lie about NRO “debunking” Obama’s demonstrable associations with Bill Ayers, the neighbor, “English teacher” whose kids attended the same school as Obma’s kids. Oh, did I mention Obama and Ayers are friends, y’know, like ideological soulmates?

  739. Final comment for denden: fuck off.

  740. In my response on Palin’s behavior I never once professed support for Obama. I guess when people see information that is negative about someone they for whatever reason support, they shoot the messenger.

    Just to get some facts straight regarding “Joe Hair plugs” Delaware has a larger population than Alaska and Biden got more votes in his last election for Senator by a lot more than Palin did for Governor.

    While Alaska is often cited as being the largest state in terms of land mass, over 80% of the land is owned and Governed by the Federal Government.

    Regarding ACORN, the amount of mortgages they can take credit or blame for is something that should be researched, before throwing rocks.

    Finally, is quaint that people are yelling about the wall street bailout of $700 billion.. I guess they don’t care about the $10 Trillion dollar deficit and promoting tax breaks and cuts to further drive the entire country into financial ruin. Oh I forgot financial management only matters when you can blame someone else

  741. OMG, Patrick. You remember McElwaine?

  742. sww, go back and look at what you said, and then tell me that it made sense.

  743. Yeah, what does it matter that Barack had worked in concert to fund the ideas, of an unrepentant radical who firebombed Judges and their families for kicks? Or backed Ayer’s crazy book with his whole heart and book jacket endorsement? Made sure to fund Ayer’s friends, and their ideas. Which had little enough to do with “education”, if you’re thinking of math and reading and crap like that. It was all about the re-education.
    Oh, and undermining the hard-won local control of school boards that upset the Chicago machine so much.

    A long term working relationship based on political ideas with the likes of Ayers? Nothing to think about at all.

  744. Comment by dre on 10/4 @ 9:54 pm #

    “Comment by sailingwindward on 10/4 @ 9:52 pm #

    Show where O.J. has a conviction for murder, you can’t”

    Convicted on a civil suit DUDE!!!!!!

    That’s not a conviction, it’s a judgement.

  745. “CAPS HELP GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS. OR JUST ANNOY THE HELL OUT OF YOU.”

    – Yes see, thats how it works on a non-fascist site. People are allowed to act pretty much like total assholes without getting redacted or banned.

    – Unlike your fascist bulkworks, where the slightest dissension is met with total brown shirts reactions.

    – Must be exhilarating for you to experience actual freedom of speech, out from under the heel of your Marxist masters boot.

  746. Last time I checked Obama wasn’t a Muslim. But if he was I would still vote for him. Has anyone here actually been hurt by a Muslim? Do they jump you on the streets? Does anyone here actually know what a Muslim believes in? I’m talking straight up Muslim..not extremist crazy Muslim.

    Last time I checked Muslims don’t want to kill people. Or wish the destruction of our country.

  747. “#Comment by Smoe on 10/4 @ 9:52 pm #

    Todd Pail was a member of the secessionist movement in Alaska until 2002, the Alaska Independence Party, which says that its ultimate goal is seceding from the union. An independent Alaska. A traitor.”

    And that’s different from Barack Hussein Obama’s church?

  748. In my response on Palin’s behavior I never once professed support for Obama.

    Yes, you’re a non-partisan sort, we can all see that.

    Hint: you suck at lying, dude.

  749. Baracky lied about Ayers. He flat out fucking lied. I think that’s wrong.

  750. SBP: Flamed him once. I was young and new to the net. Hopefully it is not in any archive anywhere.

  751. I have a DD-214, too. A two-fer! Only got one medal though. Well, I figger after I told ‘the C.O. to stuff that gold star up this ass, I was doin’ pretty good to get that ol’ ‘didn’t get caught’ medal.

  752. “Has anyone here actually been hurt by a Muslim?”

    yea 9/11/2001. I’m an American and you?

  753. “Comment by Dan Collins on 10/4 @ 9:55 pm #

    Final comment for denden: fuck off.”

    Dittoes.

  754. “Gotcha old man.”

    Got what? A cold?

  755. Wow, Lizzy, you sure do make fine distinctions, don’t you?

  756. That’s such a horrible thing to say. I cried with everyone else that day. And no I have never been hurt by a Muslim.

  757. Patrick: I was always fond of Serdar Argic, myself.

  758. Yes, I’m a horrible person. And those jihadis? They weren’t Muslims at all.

  759. Actually, now that I think about it, Argic invented the art of drive-by trolling.

  760. Sara Plain is an idiot, she should be worring about who SHE associates with and the drama in her own life, OH! LET’S SAY TROOPER GATE! If it were you or I they would have hauled us off to jail already! And that is where SHE SHOULD BE! Book her Dano! If she did so great in the debate why are they hiding her AGAIN! NOT letting her speak to any one. Are they afraid if it is not scripted she won’t be able to walk and chew gum at the same time! Tic tock, tic tock time is running out Mcain how much longer will you use her as your puppet?

  761. I have three DD-214s. Does that win me a prize?

  762. “Comment by Lizzy on 10/4 @ 9:55 pm #

    Last time I checked Obama wasn’t a Muslim.”

    I don’t see anyone around here saying that he is.

    “But if he was I would still vote for him.”

    I wouldn’t. I never vote for socialists.

    “Last time I checked Muslims don’t want to kill people. Or wish the destruction of our country.”

    See bin Laden, Osama.

    You could google it.

  763. SBP: Heard of Argic. The guy who claimed the Armenians slaughtered Turks or something like that?

  764. I didn’t say you were a horrible person, I said that was a horrible thing to say. Everyone loves our country.

  765. Well dimdim if your educated why don’t you know that there were 26 individual articles to the Iraq War resolution the majority just as relevant today as they were then? I agreed with fighting islamic fascist then and I agree with fighting them now.

  766. “Comment by RTO Trainer on 10/4 @ 10:00 pm #

    I have three DD-214s. Does that win me a prize?”

    It does earn my respect.

  767. Baracky Chavez doesn’t love America. He worships a hateful God.

  768. - In the mean time dendork, you’ve passed twice now at addressing the real question.

    – WTF are you going to do if your MSM water boys start moving back to reporting the straight news instead of advocating for your empty suit.

    – I doubt you could survive a full and open, unbiased press sonny.

  769. Lizzy – Ever been to a Muslim country? Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait?

  770. “And no I have never been hurt by a Muslim.”

    A muslim follows Islam. Muslims hurt infidels like you just ask the Hindus asshole.

  771. “Deciding to charge rape victims for testing kits, cutting off funds for the special olympics.. enough said.”

    Enough said, perhaps. But not nearly enough read. Those lies were debunked a while ago; time for you cultist robots to start churning out new ones, no?

    “Palin is hardly in a position to talk to anyone about character or associations. From what I read she is not an admirable person nor has managed her own life in a manner to hold herself up as a role model.”

    That settles it then. Based on what you read (in the National Enquirer, natch), specifics be damned, Sarah Palin is not an admirable person. I hear she even has decades-long personal and professional relationships with terrorists, militant racial supremacists, and racketeers!

    Well, her or that other guy. I don’t really follow politics too closely.

    “She apparently has traded on her looks to get a head and that may have sold in Alaska, but I see her as a dumb empty suit.”

    Says the guy voting for an accomplishment-free dimwit who has trucked with sketchier company than John Gotti throughout his short and undistinguished professional career. And all because he has a thimble-full of “oppressed” blood and makes the ladies swoon with his soaring, vapid oratory.

    The irony; it burrrrrns.

  772. Do you know what’s truly depressing? All these illiterate trolls are products of the American public school system.

    Aren’t we proud…

  773. So, denden91, where we you stationed?

    You didn’t stay the service long, I think.

  774. “Everyone loves our country.”

    Just ask Michael Moore.

  775. Give denden91 a break guys, he has a tough day tomorrow. Has to report for work at the local DNC office and get butt-fucked by everyone there.

  776. yes I have. I’ve been to Ghana,Africa. I am not Muslim, and no one hated me there.

  777. Right: Argic was an Armenian genocide denier (if I remember right, he actually went so far as to claim that the Armenians committed genocide against the Turks). He ran some sort of bot that monitored every group for the word “turkey”, and did an infodump whenever the word turned up.

    This caused a great deal of head-scratching on recipe groups, as I understand it. Your recipe for turkey casserole would prompt a reply about your CRIMINAL ARMENIAN GRANDPARENTS.

  778. Baracky Chavez spent 150 million dollars on Chicago public schools with his terrorist friends. It was all wasted.

  779. Anyone here ever watch the movie Ghandi? Its really interesting because it shows why the Muslims and Hindus hate each other. Its utterly sickening to watch because its so sad. They could have lived together peacefully.

  780. Lizzy- I’ve been to all of the countries I cited. Every seen a woman beaten in the street for talking to a man?

  781. Governor Palin I think told more truth today than NPR has told all year.

  782. Well, not wasted, hf, I’m sure a goodly portion of it was diverted to support those terrorist friends.

  783. Are they afraid if it is not scripted she won’t be able to walk and chew gum at the same time!

    Another one who hasn’t bothered to update his copy-paste talking points after the debate, I see.

  784. #783 S,B and P

    … caused a great deal of head-scratching on recipe groups, as I understand it. Your recipe for turkey casserole would prompt a reply about your CRIMINAL ARMENIAN GRANDPARENTS.

    Now that’s funny!

    =^D

  785. “American public school system.”

    spit

  786. No I’ve never seen a women being beaten because she talked to a man. And you have I take it? What did you do? just stand there and watch it? or were you too afraid to stop it…just like everyone else.

  787. I love you, hf, for listening to NPR so we don’t have to.

    A great and noble sacrifice you make on a daily basis.

  788. SBP: IIRC, one of the people on the rec.arts.sf.* groups had a .sig with the lyrics from an old Pizza Hut commercial. (“Leftover turkey…. FLAMING TURKEY WINGS!!!”) Listed as bait for Argic.

  789. Comment by happyfeet on 10/4 @ 10:06 pm #

    Baracky Chavez spent 150 million dollars on Chicago public schools with his terrorist friends. It was all wasted.

    The Republicans lost 9 billion dollars in unaccounted for Iraq money, I think 150 million is a small drop in the bucket.

  790. Baracky’s terrorist friends live in a very, very nice neighborhood in Chicago, N. O’Brain. We’re not talking South Side. Baracky moved to where he could be close to them. Like they’re a cell or something.

  791. “Comment by Lizzy on 10/4 @ 10:08 pm #

    Anyone here ever watch the movie Ghandi”

    Is that the same Ghandi who thought that the Jews in Europe should bow down to there Nazi Overlords?

  792. I thought about pointing out the numerous logical fallacies used by the trolls, but I thought that would take two or three books and several months to write and critique. So, in the interest of saving space, and allowing the esteemed opposition the opportunity to prepare themselves for their next visit with the Denizens of the Dancing Armadillo Paradise, I present to them the Fallacy Files: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/

  793. “Comment by Lizzy on 10/4 @ 10:09 pm #

    No I’ve never seen a women being beaten because she talked to a man. And you have I take it? What did you do? just stand there and watch it? or were you too afraid to stop it…just like everyone else.”

    No, he would have been under orders not to interfere with the native culture.

    You do realize, do you not, that you have just opened another door to a completely new area of your ignorance?

  794. Comment by dre on 10/4 @ 10:11 pm #

    “Comment by Lizzy on 10/4 @ 10:08 pm #

    Anyone here ever watch the movie Ghandi”

    Is that the same Ghandi who thought that the Jews in Europe should bow down to there Nazi Overlords?

    They should have.

  795. NPR takes a lot more effort than it used to. They don’t mask the propaganda at all anymore. It’s embarrassing to listen to cause you know you’re in such piss-poor company.

  796. Did Ghandi really want that?!!! I’m going to check up on that….

  797. The witch doctor DID lay hands on Sarah Palin in her church – it’s on youtube. I won’t give the link, though, because some people here are her constituents. They don’t believe in doing homework, so I’ll be thoughtful, and won’t stress their brains. Anyone who WANTS to find it can probably get hold of it with the keywords “Murthee” “Palin” and maybe “AoG” or “Assembly of God.” You’ll find it if you want to.

    It’s right THERE, video shot BY her own church, AT her own church, with the witch doctor doing the laying on of hands thingie, to protect her against witches. You can actually SEE HIM doing it to her, and later she thanked and praised him, too. Seems this dude, Murthee, ran a woman who told fortunes out of town back in Kenya. Because a couple of road accidents happened near her home, he labeled her a witch. The poor lady was profoundly threatened by him and his flock, who also got the local police to harass her, until she moved away, and this creep, Murthee, has been glorified ever since for it – enough to get him an “invite” to come to the States as a guest preacher. Where he laid hands on dear Sarah, so the witches wouldn’t “get her.”

    I sure don’t want a whacked-out vice president who believes in witches, thank you very much. Especially one who likes the idea of banning books. Makes me glad I live in Mexico in my retirement – at least here politicians wouldn’t DARE even think of banning books! It’d be political suicide. Mexicans treasure their rights. At least MY reading habits are secure here.

  798. Lizzy – We were prohibited from doing anything – under rules issued by the Clinton State Department. My point is this; Islam, as practiced in much of the Middle East, is a harsh and hateful thing. A reading of the Koran will reveal much. If you have not read it, I suggest you do.

  799. Or denden91 could visit me. I have an insertion for him too. 40SW, FMJ. Just what he needs.

  800. You might also want to learn how to spell Gandhi, Lizzy.

  801. “Does anyone here actually know what a Muslim believes in? I’m talking straight up Muslim..not extremist crazy Muslim.”

    Well, I have read much of their holy book/immutable civil code/genocide cookbook, and, unless there’s a really unexpected plot twist in the final few suras, I’m pretty sure it insists in no uncertain terms that all non-believers must be converted, enslaved, or murdered.

    But I was obviously just reading The Koran: Extremist Crazy Edition. I’ll have to pick up a copy of the Straight Up version next time I’m in Borders. Thanks for the tip.

  802. “They should have.”

    Too Fucked for me. Later.

  803. Wow, new troll night at the pw. Too bad their bs is so unoriginal. Can I claim to be a life long Democrat who is going to vote for a Republican? Oh wait, that may actually be original!

  804. Did Ghandi really want that?!!! I’m going to check up on that….

    Yep…they should “offer their throats to the Nazi knife” was his phrasing, as I recall. Correct me if I err.

  805. Baracky voters hate Jews, dre. This was what was never supposed to happen again.

  806. #797 Comment by dre on 10/4 @ 10:11 pm

    “Comment by Lizzy on 10/4 @ 10:08 pm
    Anyone here ever watch the movie Ghandi”

    Is that the same Ghandi who thought that the Jews in Europe should bow down to there Nazi Overlords?

    When they could’ve made the Nazis “look bad” (as if that might have had any restraining effect on the Nazis’ behavior) instead of “inflicting themselves” on the rest of the world.

    That Ghandi?

  807. “The Republicans lost 9 billion dollars in unaccounted for Iraq money, I think 150 million is a small drop in the bucket.”

    – I’ll call your 9 billion, and raise you the 700 billion the Dimbulbs just cost our country.

    – But hey. they’re “compassionate. It costs a hell of a lot of give-away bucks to buy all those votes. So there is that.

  808. I sure don’t want a whacked-out vice president who believes in witches,

    Funny, all the people I know who believe in witchcraft, “crystal healing”, “feng shui”, and similar crap are staunch Democrats or Greens.

  809. HB: No, you seem to be hoping people here don’t do their homework. Unfortunately, they do and you’re lying.

  810. “Comment by H. B. on 10/4 @ 10:13 pm #

    The witch doctor DID lay hands on Sarah Palin in her church – it’s on youtube.”

    He was a MINISTER, you fucking ignorant slut.

    You must really hates some dark people, jack.

  811. Oh, and not to pick nits, but if you follow the money. the Democrats are actually the party of the infamous Military Industrial Complex. Not the the Republicans didn’t get their share of the skimming from Iraq, but that the Democrats got the larger portion. You can start with the Armed services committees in the House and Senate and work out from there. Remembering also that the Democrats have been in charge of the Hill for sixty of the last seventy -odd years, thus, in control of the money…and where it went…and to whom.

  812. Baracky would like America better if it weren’t such a hateful place and all. But I think he hopes to change it to more hopey betterness with changey stuff and Bill Ayers educational ideas, like teaching the little kiddies how oppressed they are and fixing them up like that. Or if he can’t get to the kiddies directly, Bill Ayers will work with Hugo Chavez to get to the little kiddies teachers. And that’ll fix ‘em.

  813. H.B. is quite the racist, isn’t he?

  814. Governor Palin has become an object of hate. So easily. So fast. So readily. This is who these people are, these Baracky voters. Don’t think for a second there’s anything particularly special about Sarah Palin that they hate.

  815. As a professor of political science I have been amazed at the Blog’s ability to stimulate debate.

    So far I have concluded that a large number of posts are opinion based rather than fact based.

    There is a famous expression from a New York Senator Danniel Patrick Monhihan – Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.

    I must say it has been interesting to be called a liar, but I have other research to do.

    Thanks all for some quotes that I may use in my future journal article that I expect to publish at the end of January after the new administration is in place, whoever that might be.

    By the way someone you would get an A in my class and others I would recommend dropping the course.

  816. I’m not trying to out smart anyone here. I’m only a person who likes to talk about her views.

    I just wish people had more tolerance for others that’s all. Do I agree with everything Muslims do. NO. But that is their choice. However the fundamentals of their religion does not promote hatred towards others.

  817. Smoe, you are a liar.

    The Alaska Independence party doesn’t say seceding is a goal.

  818. As a professor of political science

    Imagine our surprise.

    Do you call African ministers “devil worshipers” in class, or should we feel especially blessed in that regard?

  819. Comment by geek on 10/4 @ 10:19 pm #

    Sorry, geek, I’d drop you.

  820. #816 Comment by N. O’Brain on 10/4 @ 10:17 pm

    “Comment by H. B. on 10/4 @ 10:13 pm
    The witch doctor DID lay hands on Sarah Palin in her church – it’s on youtube.”

    He was a MINISTER, you fucking ignorant slut.

    You must really hates some dark people, jack.

    I love how they give themselves a pass for blatant and genuinely ugly racism. But I guess it’s OK when you’re capital “P” Progressive.

  821. “…but I have other research to do.”

    – Apparently you should try doing your “research” where the lighting is better.

  822. Wonder how Axlerod compensates the Axelshafts bombing this post tonight? And if they realize a thousand comments pretty much legitimizes the point of the original post?

  823. However the fundamentals of their religion does not promote hatred towards others.

    Once again, have you read the Koran???

  824. “I sure don’t want a whacked-out vice president who believes in witches, thank you very much.”

    Yes, much better to have a President who believes that 9/11 was an inside job and that the CIA invented AIDS to kill blacks. Or who at least didn’t have even the trivial amount of courage it required to distance himself from those beliefs before it was absolutely politically necessary. Crackpot or coward, take your pick.

    “Especially one who likes the idea of banning books.”

    Do you guys have these lies mapped to keyboard macros, because, I gotta tell ya, I’d get pretty damned tired flitting around the blogosphere repeating them manually.

    “Makes me glad I live in Mexico in my retirement”

    I’m glad you live there, too.

    “at least here politicians wouldn’t DARE even think of banning books! It’d be political suicide.”

    Yes, it’s much less politically risky for Mexican government officials and police to simply cooperate with the drug cartels that run the country in their various acts of theft, kidnapping, and murder. And more profitable to boot!

    “Mexicans treasure their rights. At least MY reading habits are secure here.”

    You’re right, we silly Americans have soooo much to learn from a third-world kleptocratic/plutocratic shithole that would be a fourth-world kleptocratic/plutocratic shithole if it weren’t the largest welfare client of the United States economy. If only we have the humility and courage to listen.

  825. geek
    There is a famous expression from a New York Senator Danniel Patrick Monhihan – Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.

    That’s what’s tripping you up, alas.

    I must say it has been interesting to be called a liar, but I have other research to do.

    Of course.

  826. I’m not trying to out smart anyone here.

    Yeah, we noticed.

  827. I checked the CNN “what blogs are saying” section and found no mention of PW, though it certainly could have been there earlier and changed by now.

  828. Excuse me? A “cell of some kind”? The South Side of Chicago? LOL. My brother LIVES THERE. He’s white, like me. There are many blacks who live there, too. He’s not rich, not poor. Unless you’ve BEEN there, you can’t imagine how diverse the South Side is. University of Chicago, one of the best and hardest-to-get-into universities in America, is right there. So is the world-respected Oriental Institute, home to some of the world’s top Egyptologists. It has poor areas, rich areas, and between areas. It’s a chunk of Chicago, and nothing else.

    Why don’t you lamebrains simply drink lemonade instead of grape Koolaid? Better for those brain cells; you need ‘em all, obviously.

    Then admit the REAL truth: You just don’t want a “N” in the White House. Which is the dumbest thing of all, since that “N” will help keep YOUR JOB from going to China or India. Gotta hand it to the GOP – they sure know how to make their constituents shoot their own feet off.

    A terrorist cell? South Side? I gotta tell my brother that one! He never knew he was in a terorist cell…

  829. “There is a famous expression from a New York Senator Danniel Patrick Monhihan – Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.”

    Unless you’re Dan Rather. Or Joe Biden. Then it’s okay.

  830. University of Chicago, one of the best and hardest-to-get-into universities in America, is right there.

    And you can get mugged or murdered within two blocks of campus.

    And yes, I’ve been there.

  831. Denden,

    Enough with your chickenhawk mantra. I was in the desert when your mama was still wiping your ass. USMC 85-91, MOS 0311 Infantry. N’Obrain has a son in my beloved Corps so he has a stake in the game. Never ceases to amaze me that the support staff like you are the ones who make the most noise. Here’s a tip for you little boy, those who talk the loudest about their service are the least likely to have ever heard a shot fired in anger. We know what you are about and we don’t like it. You wore the uniform, great, now shut the hell up.

  832. I’m just fuzzy on some of the details of Baracky’s close relationship to terrorists, H.B. I tried Google News but couldn’t find an explanation.

  833. Comment by MCPO Airdale on 10/4 @ 10:23 pm #

    However the fundamentals of their religion does not promote hatred towards others.

    Once again, have you read the Koran???

    More people have been slaughtered in the name of christianity than any other religion and/or war, the Muslims have a long way to catch up to the christians.

  834. Oh my. The “you’re a RACIST” cry. Gosh, I feel all intimidated into voting for the One now.

    Not.

  835. Still it seems as though a new Obamite visitor shows up about every fifteen minutes or so….

  836. “As a professor of political science I have been amazed at the Blog’s ability to stimulate debate.

    – Surprise, surprise. One of academia’s illustrious post-modern propagandists. Out there everyday indoctrinating this years crop of impressionable young minds into the greatness of the Marxist Utopia there Herr professor?

  837. Comment by H. B. on 10/4 @ 10:24 pm #

    Sheesh, what is it with the trolls areound here tonight?

    Somebody call We ‘B Trolls, this batch is defective.

  838. So from what is being said, Muslims fundamentally believe that everyone should convert or be killed?

    correct?

    Now where have I heard that before? hmm….I believe EVERY religion thinks they are the RIGHT religion. Don’t extremist Catholics think nonbelivers will burn in hell? What is the difference?

  839. More people have been slaughtered in the name of christianity

    Ah, yes. The “let’s compare Christians of 500 years ago to Muslims of today” meme.

    I’m pretty sure that the Thirty Years’ War and the Inquisition have been over for quite some time, dude.

  840. RTO Trainer,

    No disrepect intended in my post #837. Signals is an important part of any operation. The guy just really pissed me off going after N’OB that way.

  841. Don’t extremist Catholics think nonbelivers will burn in hell? What is the difference?

    Extremist Catholics aren’t flying airplanes into buildings, cutting off the clits of little girls, and sawing off the heads of journalists on video tape?

    Is this a trick question?

  842. Lizzy you are totally wrong about islam. Do yourself and your children (if you have or hope to have any) a favor and do some research on the subject.

    There are many website out there which have accurate information on them. Faith Freedom is one but there are others. The koran specifically states that true muslims should kill infidels wherever they are found. It really isn’t even in debate, however there is a tremendous amount of propaganda out there put out by CAIR and other groups.

  843. Y’all should remember Lizzy when y’all get all put out with our smart trolls. They’re not to be taken for granted I don’t think.

  844. Thanks, Big D.

    And if I may, Semper Fi!

    [I got absolution to do that one time on the internet. I don’t abuse the privilege.]

  845. I’m not a dude. ^_^

  846. “Don’t extremist Catholics think nonbelivers will burn in hell? What is the difference?”

    They don’t put them there.

  847. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/4 @ 10:29 pm #

    More people have been slaughtered in the name of christianity

    Ah, yes. The “let’s compare Christians of 500 years ago to Muslims of today” meme.

    I’m pretty sure that the Thirty Years’ War and the Inquisition have been over for quite some time, dude.

    And in 500 years, not much has changed with the Christians, they are still trying to convert the Muslims and everyone else.

  848. A person who faults others continuously, is actually showing his or her own fault

  849. “More people have been slaughtered in the name of christianity than any other religion and/or war, the Muslims have a long way to catch up to the christians.”

    They’re obviously very competitive, because that alleged gap is closing by leaps and bounds on a daily basis. You almost have to root for a team that shows that much heart.

    The only people who see Christianity as a serious threat in the world are mentally ill militant secularists. The only people who recognize Islamism as a serious threat are, you know, serious adults and stuff. There’s some kind of lesson in there somewhere.

  850. CNN is really getting weird.
    They actually think Obama might have known a girl/guy that was affiliated with Osama Bin Laden?
    And therefore, it’s news? And makes headlines?
    I actually knew a cousin that knew another cousin that knew of this guy that knew another person that knew he liked Osama Bin Laden.
    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
    CNN you’re really getting pathetic.
    And you’re claiming to be a factual news resource?
    Ha! Ha! Ha!

  851. Here you go, Lizzy, read this. It’s the pope’s Regensburg Address, aimed in part at the Muslim world.
    http://www.zenit.org/article-16955?l=english

  852. Damn. I should have saved my fortune cookie.

  853. “And in 500 years, not much has changed with the Christians, they are still trying to convert the Muslims and everyone else.”

    Oh noes! A club that seeks to expand its membership!

    By slitting the throats of their friends and family, right? By passing laws making it a capital offense to worship any religion other than Christianity, right? By codifying the Bible as a nation’s only and immutable legal framework to be interpreted and applied solely by unelected clerics, right? By declaring conversion from Christianity to be a sin that must be met with execution, right?

    Right?

  854. And in 500 years, not much has changed with the Christians

    Oh, yes. Why, we had a witch burning in my neighborhood just today!

    Moron.

  855. N’OB,

    You have a son in the Corps, you’re family. You are more than entitled, no absolution necessary.

  856. I’m not afraid of Islam. I’m not Islamic. I’m not afraid of Muslims. I’m not Muslim. I’m not afraid of Catholics or Jews or anyone else. We’re all stuck on the planet together and someday we’ll all realize that and that we must live together if we want to be happy. I have faith in people and that most people just really want peace.

    Are their crazy people out there who have lost all hope. YES. and they want everyone to suffer like they are. But I’m not afraid of them. The number of good people out there outweigh the bad.

  857. “She turned me into a newt!!”

  858. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    No one really laughs like that. Maybe crazy people, but not for real people. Not any I’ve ever met anyway.

  859. VJay: Dude, I used to be Catholic and no one’s tried to kill me for that. Sometimes get annoying “return to the fold” comments, but otherwise…

    Islam, OTOH, is a bit harsher to apostates.

  860. Comment by phil on 10/4 @ 10:33 pm #

    A person who faults others continuously, is actually showing his or her own fault

    What do you do if their constantly wrong, compliment them for being consistant?

  861. She turned into a newt?

  862. “More people have been slaughtered in the name of christianity than any other religion and/or war, the Muslims have a long way to catch up to the christians.”

    – Hopefully we’ll nuke them all to Allah(pbuh) before they make very much headway.

    – BTW. You might try showing just the tiniest bit of respect toward “C”hristtianity” as you are so balls over ass willing to do for Muslims. Just to be fair and balanced. You want to do that right. The “caring” party.

    – Maybe we need to do it from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

    – Oh. And while we’re going on about the religion of peace, I’d be willing to chip in a grand if you can find a Christian that’s cut anybodies head off in the name of his/her religion in the past 200+ years.

    – The insane do not count. ‘Course on the Islam side that eliminates most of them.

  863. I’m kind of a lapsed Lutheran. Why do you think I never use my real name? Always hiding, always on the run. It’s a hard life. You learn to live with the fear.

  864. Why is the Christian right-wingers involved, and bombing or trying to bomb every Muslim Country they can find. (bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran)
    The Christian right went in to Iraq because of 9-11 right?

  865. I think he got better, Big D.

  866. “Comment by Patrick Chester on 10/4 @ 10:39 pm #

    VJay: Dude, I used to be Catholic and no one’s tried to kill me for that.”

    Hah.

    Your godmother isn’t a nun, I take it?

  867. Typing too fast. Dang, did I mess that one up.

    She turned YOU into a newt?

  868. “Are their crazy people out there who have lost all hope. YES. and they want everyone to suffer like they are. But I’m not afraid of them. The number of good people out there outweigh the bad.”

    That’s a happy thought, Lizzy, but it’s also irrelevant. The entire civilian population of North Korea might be as sweet as Punkin Pie, but I’m pretty sure that the one insane, megalomaniacal sociopath who blacks out the country every night so he doesn’t get any glare on his 60 foot projection screen while he watches Disney movies and gets plastered on $400/bottle cognac kind of tilts the scales a little more than they do.

  869. “The Christian right went in to Iraq because of 9-11 right?”

    Wait, you have to be a Christian to get into the Marines?

    Who knew?

  870. Damn right you’ve never seen a Lutheran ninja. Hope to God you never do.

  871. Why do we have religion? is it to make our lives better? To enrich our souls before we die? What is it’s purpose? Why do people want to fight and kill in the name of a religion? or God?
    You’d think after 60,000 years of conscious evolution, we’d stop killing in the name of God.

  872. “They actually think Obama might have known a girl/guy that was affiliated with Osama Bin Laden?
    And therefore, it’s news? And makes headlines?”

    Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous. Why go to the third degree of separation when a large chunk of his first-degree associations are plenty to disqualify this sleazy, corrupt clown for any elected office?

  873. “…before they make very much headway.”

    – See what I did there. *snort*


  874. The Christian right went in to Iraq because of 9-11 right?

    H.J.Res 114: To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

    Biden: Yea.
    Clinton: Yea.
    Edwards: Yea.
    Feinstein: Yea.
    Kerry: Yea.
    Schumer: Yea.

  875. We might could start by not damning America in the name of God, Lizzy. And taking terrorists out of our rolodexes.

  876. “You’d think after 60,000 years of conscious evolution, we’d stop killing in the name of God.”

    Uh, Lizzy, WE have. The ONLY non-anecdotal killing that still goes on in the name of religion is being perpetrated in the name of the one that you keep trying to whitewash into being no different than any other.

  877. Sailingwindward,

    Yep you’re right. On the one hand you have Christians preaching,praying, and sometimes trying to influence the legislative process. On the other hand you have muslims strapping on suicide belts, blowing up busses, and flying planes into buildings. Yep, pretty much the same thing.

  878. sailwindward: “Obama was 8 years old when Ayers allegedly did all these unsubstantiated dirty deeds.”
    “How old was he when Ayers said he regretted not setting more bombs?”

    Unsubstantiated?!? lol, Ayers and Dorhn have admitted what they did in setting off bombs, revelled in it and are not repentent at all. That’s what is so galling.

    As they worked together on Annenberg challenge grant, sat together on Woods Foundation and parcelled out money to other leftists, Ayers NEVER shed his radicalism, he just ‘blended in’ as an establishment Communist in places where being a domestic terrorist is allowed so long as you are an elitist left-wing radical. Furthermore, the CAC itself was a dirty deed, doing to the schools what the bombing couldnt accomplish to the country – radicalize it.

    Ayers remains an eloquent communist and lover of POS dictators like Hugo Chavez:
    http://no-bama.blogspot.com/2008/10/comrade-bill-ayers-speech-to-left-wing.html

    Obama was ‘all in’ on this activity as well as his full participation at Trinitiy UCC, soaking up the Black Liberation Theology of the Rev Wright. Along with his communist mentor in his teenage years, Frank Davis Marshall, Ayers, Wright, his mother, others, Obama’s main influences have been radicals, socialists and communists.

  879. sailingwindward
    Why is the Christian right-wingers involved, and bombing or trying to bomb every Muslim Country they can find. (bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran)

    They aren’t. Oh, and the icky awful Xians (come on, use the TRENDY sneer word for them, be COOL) are helping Muslims form constitutional republics in two countries as well. Ah, and when the tsunami hit Muslim Indonesia, those icky awful “right-wing Christians” sent aid to help them. Oh drat, you’ll have to come up with another fallacy to throw about and hope it distracts from your other claims now.

    Ah well, stay with your safe bigotry. No Christian will beat you up or kill you or start riots across the word for insulting them. But keep on pretending the Inquisition et al means they will so you can act all brave and heroic. Chicks should dig that. Or not.

  880. North Korea is weak to its core. They haven’t even been able to get a nuke to test right. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be aware of them…but they’re starving their people and the country is like a rotting limb. They have a large army…but if they truly wanted to to go war..just how long would they be able to feed that army?

  881. “Palling Around with Terrorists”, says Sarah Palin — what reactionary hypocritical bullshit! Take away the lipstick, she displays both the ignorance and temperament of a pit bull. Give the pit bull more credit — it likely does not know better…

    Her number one pal, John McCain, could equally be charged with being a “terrorist”. No doubt he and most Americans believe he was doing his “patriotic duty” in bombing homes, villages, and factories in North Viet Nam. If an enemy plane flies over and drops bombs on your house, would you not think that is a “terrorist” act? If the plane gets shot-down, crashing in a nearby pond, should anyone be surprised that you and your fellow villagers might retaliate in roughing up this “patriotic terrorist” pilot, maybe break a few of his bones, before handing the scoundrel over to the authorities?

    How many people did John McCain kill on that fateful bombing run? How many on previous sorties? Is he not also a terrorist by current definition? Too many crocodile tears are shed for this so-called great American “hero”.

    Like Iraq, the Viet Nam “war” was launched under manufactured false pretense (a la “Tonkin Gulf incident”), followed by LBJ and his cronies’ version of “shock and awe”. Bush-Cheney/McCain and Neo-Con’s war and occupation is no less a terrorist onslaught on a sovereign country and the world at larger, with over half a million Iraqi’s killed and generating a new haven for Al Quaeda, while generating Sunni/Shia insurgency.

    The last eight years of Bush crime family running the country has lowered the bar — so low that many of the benumbed Americans and mass media are taking the rants of this ignorant pit bull seriously.

  882. I was raised a Baptist, guys.

    Believe me, I live in constant fear of being the victim of an “honor killing”.

  883. I knew that Themis would be mentioned in this play…

    Didn’t you?

  884. As for consciousness revolution, Julian Jaynes work is of no little value.

  885. I’m not trying to white wash them. I clearly understand that Muslim extremist wish to kill people.

  886. Don’t feed this newest troll please. This one is not worth it.

  887. clearly

  888. Ah, now the “military is just like terrorists” claim comes up. Guess another one slipped from Anger and Denial to Bargaining.

  889. I smell International A.N.S.W.E.R. with this one, Big D.

  890. what is a troll?