October 2, 2008

VP Debate transcript

Courtesy of the LA Times blog.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 10:49pm
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  1. Psssst. He didn’t have enough teeth to be right.

  2. Thanks, Jeff.

    This is the quote I mentioned in the other thread:

    “But Barack Obama indicated to me he wanted me with him to help him govern. So every major decision he’ll be making, I’ll be sitting in the room to give my best advice.”

  3. Do you trust the LA Times to accurately portray the transcript?

  4. - They can “portray” it anyway they like. Change a single damn word and they’ll be called out faster than a whore with measles.

  5. Palin: I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I’m going to talk straight to the American people

    I’m so glad she called Ifill’s hand.

  6. On the tailgate thread, dre linked to a Washington Post article about Sarah Palin. I think the end of the piece is nice.

    “Palin has said she learned more on the basketball court than in any other arena. It remains to be seen how her athletic, outdoorswoman, post-feminist confidence holds up in the heat of the vice presidential debate.

    But her old friends suspect that a part of Palin may actually be looking forward to it.

    Says Teeguarden: “The idea of being in awe of people just isn’t in her nature.” Ketchum adds, grinning: “She likes an opponent.”

  7. Sarah won, hands, down.

    Go look at the headlines list at Lucianne.com

    Always a sure indicator.

  8. Cue the steady drip drip of anti-Palin AP stories. I want to hear how her sisters-cousins-bestfriend used to be a member of the radical Alaskan Mountain Militia that favors killing all endangered species.

  9. There were times when Champ was looking at The Barracuda and it looked like he was thinking “God, she is drop dead gorgeous! BUSH LIED!”

  10. “Do you trust the LA Times to accurately portray the transcript?”

    Do you know who runs the LA Times?

  11. Dammit! I am going to be in the field all day on the day Barrett goes to bat for the LAT! Life just ain’t fair. Go easy on him Darleen, I really do think the kid means well.

  12. “I am going to be in the field all day on the day Barrett goes to bat for the LAT!”

    I can assure you that I despise the LA Times very much and that you won’t miss anything. At any rate, I’ve already fumbled; the guy I was talking about apparently resigned a few months back. I’ll just slink back to my cave now…

  13. I’ve already fumbled; the guy I was talking about apparently resigned a few months back. I’ll just slink back to my cave now…

    Major points for admission and self-deprecation. I take back every comment I was going to write about you but was too scared to engage you because I would become your ball of yarn to bat around with your cat paw-like wit. I’ve already said too much. Great. Now I’m sweating.

  14. I am sure the LATimes is a middle of the road newspaper and not nearly as biased as anyone on Fox News. Oh yeah and Ifill is a totally ethical journalist.

  15. What al said, lol.

  16. I like what Geraghty over at the NR says about Biden, those aren’t Lies they’re Hallucinations. He must have been spelunking behing Jeff’s couch.

  17. Bill O’Reilly, who raises the buffoon bar every day, re-outs Barney Frank. It’s not what you think. If this catches on, I think Johnny Mac needs to focus on the Frank, Dodd, Raines, Johnson, Obama, Ayers, Rezko, Ahmadinajead, Dracula, Ghengis Kahn, Son of Sam connection.

    Once again, O’Reilly is a flaming egomaniac, but in this instance, it was what was called for.

    It’s at Foxnews.com/video.

    I can’t link. I can’t dance.

  18. Do you know who runs the LA Times?

    Do you mean the guy who owns it, Barrett? That would be the guy who’s being sued by the people who write it, if I’m not mistaken.

  19. He doesn’t necessarily get along with his readers and editors very well. Sam Zell is a meanie, you see. Stupid capitalist.

  20. Errr…writers and editors. But maybe readers too, particularly dedicated LA Times readers.

  21. “Do you mean the guy who owns it, Barrett?”

    I was referring to a certain editor who has since resigned to spend more time with Rumsfeld’s squash court. I’m all for writers suing publishers, though.

  22. BB

    the LA Dog Trainer lost most its credibility in 1999 when the wall between advertising and reporting was revealed as breeched, then steadily stomped on any shred of credibility and journalistic ethics in the following years … to study what it tried to do during the Davis recall election is to see what the MSM as a whole is trying to do with this election.

    If it disappeared tomorrow, Los Angeles would be better served… and the editors and “writers” have only themselves to blame.

  23. Ah, you mean publisher, not editor. It’s going to be tough to miss anyone at the LAT, except maybe Ramirez.

  24. Pablo

    Ramirez was cut from the LAT a few years back… can’t have an icky non-leftist cartoonist onboard regardless of how many Pulitzers he’s won.

  25. While I think Ifill should have recused herself, I don’t know if it was increased scrutiny or what but she was not a bad moderator. Palin did alright but I have to cringe at some of her golly-geeisms. Biden just tells outright lies with a big smiley face. I wonder if anyone noticed?

  26. I keep hearing this morning that Biden was “gaffe free” and had a “great command of foreign policy”

    Funny, I don’t know who “Bosniacs” are and Biden’s recitation of the history of Hizbolleh in Lebanon was on par with his history of FDR talking to the American public on TV in 1929.

  27. The ladees are called “Bosniettes”.

    (stolen from a commenter at ASHQ)

  28. “Funny, I don’t know who ‘Bosniacs’ are”

    That *is* funny!

  29. Sister Palin has allowed foreign moose from Canada to cross the border into Alaska and Canadian geese into Alaskan airspace. She’s weak on defense, very weak.

  30. I just have to shout this somewhere in cyberspace:

    WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH KRAUTHAMMER?

    I seriously want to punch that guy. ugh.

  31. Biden might have been gaffe free but he definately wasn’t lie free. I saw with my own two little beady eyes Obama say he would meet with DinnerJacket without pre-conditions. Now this guy is calling my eyes liars. F him.

  32. No no, not ‘gaffe free,’ but gaffree (sp?) Which, I think sounds like the arabic word for a warm cup of coffee, or bitch. I’m not sure which.

  33. No no, “Bosniards

  34. Comment by thor on 10/3 @ 8:06 am #

    Sister Palin has allowed foreign moose from Canada to cross the border into Alaska and Canadian geese into Alaskan airspace. She’s weak on defense, very weak.

    She’s stronger on defense than Joey Hairplugs!

  35. “WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH KRAUTHAMMER?”

    What’d he do this time? Accuse the anti-Bush crowd of holding the very same views of Arab culture that he held in the ’90s back when it was ideological convenient for him to hold such views? Or did he once again flip-flop between scolding everyone for not accepting the procedures of the judicial branch and criticizing the procedures of the judicial branch with regards to the Terri Schiavo case? If so, he needs new material.

  36. Okay, I guess I need to be a bit more explicit for Darleen’s benefit. The term Bosniak is a real, live term that describes a particular group of people. Go look it up. Using a real, live term that describes a particular group of people in reference to a real, live group of people does not constitute a gaffe in the real, live world.

  37. “Bosnioids”?

  38. >>“Bosnioids”?

    They make medicated pads for those, I think

  39. “Comment by BarrettBrown on 10/3 @ 8:17 am #

    sometimes I forget why I don’t hang out here that often. Then I remember: oh yeah, the non-stop stupid trolls.

    Anyway. I have a huge girl crush on Palin and I’m going door-to-door this weekend. Wish me luck! ;)

  40. The trolls here are some industrial grade crazy that’s for sure PC.

  41. BB, somebody tried to tell me that last night – and it was true. But it’s too funny not to mock him. Poor Joe. Sometimes trying to come across like a brainiac has the opposite of the intended effect.

  42. Wow. You guys are really going to take this little “ZOMG THE TERM BOSNIAC DOES NOT EXIST BECAUSE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IT” meme and run with it, aren’t you? And everyone else can watch this unfold in real time! IT IS THE MIRACLE OF BIRTH AND SO UTTERLY BEAUTIFUL!

  43. Barrett, RE: Bosniacs: Yes, I know. But its still funny in a juvenile sense.

    WRT the debate, I guess I was kinda let down that no questions were asked about women’s issues, seeing as how both are connected to that. Also, nothing on guns, which seems to have been slightly contentious an issue during the news cycle.

  44. BB I have heard the term Bosniac before. To most people it probably is pretty unfamiliar though.

  45. The trouble with using the term “Bosniacs” is that it does not refer to all Bosnians. I’m sure the all wise Joe knew that though. Doncha think? Perhaps he’ll make references to Pollacks next. What a guy!

  46. Oh come on, BB, get over yourself.

    When it popped out of his mouth, at least 80% of the audience said to themselves “Wait, What?”

    That’s what you get for showing off.

  47. All Bosniacs aside I can not believe he lied so blatantly and said O! never said he would meet with Ackmedinijad without preconditions. That was pretty insulting to my intelligence. I have heard O! lie about that one too though so I guess that is the talking point.

  48. Biden: When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

    Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.

    The fact of the matter is, the policy of this administration has been an abject failure.

    Does anyone besides me view this as 1) a-historical tripe or what’s normally called a bald-faced lie, and 2) nonsensical from a foreign policy perspective any how, I mean, NATO fer chrissake? Barack Obama called for NATO to go into Lebanon? Reallies? Has Barack looked at NATO’s performance in Afghanistan lately?

  49. Barrett:
    You know what else is funny? You’re a comedy writer, yet you insist on fact being presented in a comment thread where people tend to just bat crap around and make jokes. Which, of course, tends to kill the jokes. You’re just so contrary, man.

  50. - The term is “Bosnians” Brown. Bosniacs? You should get a hack job writing for Warners Bros. dick head.

  51. Lies? Nyet! Nwance!

  52. “The trouble with using the term “Bosniacs” is that it does not refer to all Bosnians.”

    He wasn’t referring to all Bosnians. He was referring to Bosniaks, after having listed the Serbs and Croats as well. Here’s the quote:

    “Look what we did in Bosnia. We took Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks, being told by everyone, I was told by everyone that this would mean that they had been killing each other for a thousand years, it would never work.”

    So, again, I’m having trouble finding the gaffe here.

    “Barrett, RE: Bosniacs: Yes, I know. But its still funny in a juvenile sense.”

    Fair enough; I’m certainly not one to take issue with juvenile humor. Perhaps someone should let Darleen in on the joke, though. It would be the polite thing to do, no?

  53. Well then Barret, he’s just too darn smart for the rest of us. Perhaps he should have alluded to Illyrians just to really score some points on us idiots.

  54. #35 BB:
    “What’d he do this time?”

    Basically, Krauthammer said, “Oy. We’re fooked.”
    I’m beginning to think that he may be right. I can only hope that McCain is just waiting until after the Bailout Bill is passed to start slamming The One on the lies, damned lies, and damned lying lies that he’s allowed to let slide thus far. Even then, it may be too late to have any effect.

    In which case, Oy.
    We’re fooked.

  55. - Yeh, and while you’re at it Barrett, maybe you could drop down Washington way and give old Joey hairplug a few pointers on the Constitution and which branch of government is which. Apparently after 26 years on Capital hill he still gets the men’s and woman’s bathroom confused.

  56. “WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH KRAUTHAMMER?””

    He realizes that Palin and cohorts theocratic perogative’s hold Jews in contempt, but have an End-Times philosophy that the Chosen People will accept the inevitable and convert in the nick of time.

    He doesn’t like that maxim…………plus he’s Canadian, so he’s got that going for him.

  57. “The term is “Bosnians” Brown. Bosniacs? You should get a hack job writing for Warners Bros. dick head.”

    … and you guys might want to let your resident low-information voter over here in on the joke, too, lest he continue to discredit your whole “Oh we’re just joking” defense with his ignorance.

    “You know what else is funny? You’re a comedy writer, yet you insist on fact being presented in a comment thread where people tend to just bat crap around and make jokes.”

    Darleen was serious. So is Big Bang Hunter, who, to my understanding, is pumping everyone up. If you want to pretend that these two are actually just joking, that’s certainly your right.

    “When it popped out of his mouth, at least 80% of the audience said to themselves “Wait, What?””

    So? He was addressing the portion of the country that keeps up on U.S. foreign policy and who consider it their duty to know a thing or two about the military conflicts in which we’ve involved ourselves, not populist nitwits who can’t name any papers they read. Palin is already in the tank for Palin.

  58. Funny that he forgot the small (but certainly not inconsequential) group of mixed ancestry who still self-identify as Yugoslavs.

  59. Oh, and Barrett?

    Your boy Biden got butt-surfed by Palin last night. Hard.

    When even the Daily Kos and Andrew Sullivan admit it, it’s time to hang it up, my friend.

  60. Not pretending, Barrett, just honestly didn’t see it them as being serious. Fair enough, though.

    So: Didja like the debate? Did you want them to address anything that wasn’t asked?

  61. urthshu,

    I thought the same thing. Yet, the Bosniac bit would have been prime SNL material had Palin said it.

    Just for the laughs!

  62. Spies:
    Barrett isn’t backing Biden, AFAIK. Also Kos is saying Biden won it.

  63. “Basically, Krauthammer said, “Oy. We’re fooked.””

    Hmmmm. That guy’s hard to predict. He attacks his own party at the strangest times, and defends at even stranger ones.

    “He realizes that Palin and cohorts theocratic perogative’s hold Jews in contempt, but have an End-Times philosophy that the Chosen People will accept the inevitable and convert in the nick of time.”

    He’s known that for years, though; he didn’t seem to care that Bush likes to show up via telecast at John Hagee’s little D.C. nutfests. I’m assuming he’s just worried that Palin can’t seal the deal. He’s always been a pragmatist at heart, it seems.

  64. Biden referring to an ethnic group by a semi obscure term is funny but not particularly serious. Biden, an attorney and 30+ year US Senator, displaying a fundamental misunderstanding of the US Constitution?

    The dude needs to spend some time with a Constitutional scholar. Anybody know one that he might be able to spend some time with?

  65. Barrett Brown is correct? How can that be? All you need to do is be a conservative name-calling finger-pointing hick and then everything you say trumps! You learn that on the first day of R-Winger 101!

    Thanks for your astute clarification, Mr. Brown.

  66. …He was addressing the portion of the country that keeps up on U.S. foreign policy and who consider it their duty to know a thing or two about the military conflicts in which we’ve involved ourselves…

    So Joe Biden must haz it right! Because he thinks it a duty to stay informed! We did kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon, (oh, with the help of the French of course, mustn’t leave off our thanks to them)! Congratulations to us for a job well done.

  67. >>Yet, the Bosniac bit would have been prime SNL material had Palin said it

    Yep! Like a zombie invasion with Sarah shootin’ and whoopin’ it up. “More Bosniacs! ‘Memba ta shoot ‘em inna head, doggone it!”

  68. A somewhat instructive thread in that we get to see a person perceived as a troll (Barret) but who, imo, is definitely not and a person who is perceived as a troll (semen) and most definitely is a troll. Barret’s response to Krauthammer (#35) was accurate. Semen’s response (#57)was, per usual, a complete mess and completely irrelevant. I know people don’t like his style, but more BB and less semen would be a good thing, I think. However, this bs brought to us by BB, “not populist nitwits who can’t name any papers they read” needs to be addressed. Do you actually, really think she doesn’t know what papers and/or magaizine she reads? really?

  69. - Barrett, the joke is on you. No one said the term is incorrect. It would be like calling native Americans “Americaniacs”. It may not be technically wrong, but everyone would point at you and laugh. Something you’re probably accustomed to asshole.

  70. Barrett isn’t backing Biden, AFAIK.

    Sure, he isn’t.

    Also Kos is saying Biden won it.

    Hmm… must’ve gone down the memory hole since last night, then.

  71. “He’s (Kraut) always been a pragmatist at heart, it seems.”

    I think he is just preparing for the eventual O! win and trying to remain objective. Kraut has never been a straight party line hack ala. Paul Begala.

  72. Oh, but then again, BB and his hate of all things Christian/religious rears its ugly head in 64. Oh well.

  73. A somewhat instructive thread in that we get to see a person perceived as a troll (Barret)

    Barrett isn’t a troll. He’s just not very good at arguing his case, such as it is.

    I haven’t TrollHammered Barrett. Semen, on the other hand — gone.

  74. “Comment by SarahW on 10/3 @ 8:35 am #

    Oh come on, BB, get over yourself.

    When it popped out of his mouth, at least 80% of the audience said to themselves “Wait, What?”

    That’s what you get for showing off.”

    Yeah, braniac, go read the debate thread.

    It was stupid.

  75. Spies:
    Possible that Kos mem-holed it. It was part of the roundup that “Moderate Voice” quoted as I remember.

  76. Anyone actually doubt that a Palin/Bosniacs comment would be Tina Fey’s big “ain’t she stoopid” joke on SNL? Barret? Thor? Anyone? These are folks who think there is such a nationality as Palistinian, after all.

  77. “He’s known that for years’

    But he didn’t REALIZE how pernicious the socio/political threat is. After all, she is a female, and Bush is, well, at least he’s
    hermaphrodotic…….

  78. Screw Tina Fey she has taken SNL into irrelavancy. That show hasn’t been funny since before 2000. The fact that Mad TV gets almost comparable ratings should be a clue that something is wrong.

  79. #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 10/3 @ 8:52 am #

    Oh, and Barrett?

    Your boy Biden got butt-surfed by Palin last night. Hard.

    When even the Daily Kos and Andrew Sullivan admit it, it’s time to hang it up, my friend.

    A fine submission from a R-winger 101 graduate.

    Hey Pirate-boi, all of Biden’s children lined up behind Sister Palin with their pants down. Polite little critters, they took her orderly like. Popped her in the back of her head with their little fists! Hard!

  80. - Maybe Palin should have made reference to her resident Eskomoniacs.

  81. “Something you’re probably accustomed to asshole.’

    There is something wrong ‘right her in River City’ when BBH turns into a ‘griefer’. Honest emotions are welcome at PW.

  82. I suspect Semanticleo has the latest version of SpieBallFlogger 2008 installed.

  83. >>These are folks who think there is such a nationality as Palistinian, after all.

    That’d be “Palestinerinos“.

  84. “So: Didja like the debate? Did you want them to address anything that wasn’t asked?”

    Meh. All specifics on how much statism we need and who can best implement it, no discussion of fundamentals. I miss Ross Perot; populist nut or not, he served to raise awareness of how debt is, you know, something that needs to be addressed. And I suppose it’s too much to ask for Barr’s number two to have been invited; he could have taught both VP wannabes a thing or two about folksy charm.

    I enjoy watching Biden, even if he has no cogent philosophy other than the amorphous concept of “fairness,” which he seems to think is some very important concept of governance by virtue of it being bandied around by the “folks back in Scranton” or whatever.

  85. Bosniacs was asinine. Whether an accurate term or not. Good thing Palin didn’t say niggardly.

  86. - Hmmm. The three troll stoopids are out in force this morning. They must be worried. If their wonder Boy goes into election day without that 10 point lead. all the PEW exit polls in the world won’t be able to save his mulatto ass. *snort*

  87. “I suspect Semanticleo has the latest version of SpieBallFlogger 2008 installed.”

    ‘Ignorance is Bliss’ should be WingNut Nation’s Anthem of the Sun.

    “See no evil,……..hear no evil”

  88. Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 10/3 @ 9:11 am #
    *snort*

    Did your shirt sleeve catch it all?

  89. “We did kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon”

    Yeah, I don’t know what practical joker told Biden that this was the case. I seem to remember Reagan learning his lesson on that particular excursion, even if no one else did.

  90. “Did your shirt sleeve catch it all?”

    – I let your mama lick it all up like she always does thor-boy.

  91. what practical joker told Biden

    I think we can safely put it into “the guy just makes shit up whenever he feels like it” category. Which, y’know, kinda gives me the creeps.

  92. I think we can safely put it into “the guy just makes shit up whenever he feels like it”

    Yes, he does.

  93. Just think what would be said in Palin or McCain said the same thing in regards to Hezbollah and Lebanon. Well, the honest among us do.

  94. Another day, another blip up in the polls for Obama, another state McCain’s campaign retreats from.

    You can actually feel the creeping McCain retreat here in Florida. Frowny faces all around in the trailer homes up north as cultured SoFlo goes FloBama whoopin’ crazy.

    Could McCain have torched his scarce resources so soon?

  95. “Do you actually, really think she doesn’t know what papers and/or magaizine she reads? really?”

    I think that she knows perfectly well that she reads very little and that any honest answer would reveal that she reads absolutely nothing which would provide her with good information on the world around her. There’s an old photo of her with a John Birch pub, though, so she already knows that Eisenhower was a commie stooge, I guess. That may come in handy. But, yeah, I’d be pretty surprised if she was caught reading The Economist or Foreign Affairs or anything like that.

  96. Re: Barr

    For good or ill (and I think ill), we are stuck with a two-party system in which both parties have been moving steadily leftward as long as I can remember. I don’t expect this to change any time soon. I don’t like the fact that all third-party candidates get stamped with the “crazy” stamp, but that seems to be the way it is. I blame George Bush.

  97. I think that she knows perfectly well that she reads very little

    And yet this backward, ignorant, illiterate hillbilly who never reads anything managed to kick the ass of the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in a debate.

    Just lucky, I guess.

  98. …old photo of her with a John Birch pub…

    Must you be so dishonest Barrett? I mean, come on.

  99. I tend to think Palin is being hamstrung on the credit mess until the bailout is done. The election will turn on whether or not McCain wants to play pretend statesman and stay “collegial,” blaming the mess on “greedy Wall Street” or if he suddenly “learns” that there are lots of factors involved that point back to Dems and, in particular, Barack Obama.

    Maybe by that time he’ll discover the guy’s ties to radicalism, too, and fucking broadcast it. Could be waiting till the last election to drop the Ayers bomb. Because I have a feeling most Americans simply aren’t aware of the connections, and that McCain simply must be saving it up for when he thinks it will have the most impact.

    As for Krauthammer, I suspect it galls him he has to vote for a statist ticket that is supposedly “conservative.” Also, he resents that Palin gets him all hot in the trousers.

  100. #

    Comment by Semanticleo on 10/3 @ 9:20 am #

    “I let your mama lick it all up like she always does thor-boy.”

    Now he’s goin’ after yer Mom, Thor. ‘Family Values’ are the lynchpin
    of Teh Party.

    Momma’s boys, all of ‘em. That’s why I’m installing MommaBoyBlaster 2.5 as we speak.

  101. Comment by Sdferr on 10/3 @ 9:24 am #

    You took the bait.

  102. Could be waiting till the last election to drop the Ayers bomb.

    I hope you mean “last debate”, although who knows what Obama has in mind there. :-)

    McCain simply must be saving it up for when he thinks it will have the most impact.

    That’s my theory. I suspect that McCain is trying to force Obama to spend himself dry, then launch a “surge” tactic in the last week or two before the election.

  103. The Economist had a poll I linked showing the “global electoral landslide” for Barack, Barrett. You can go vote if you want.

    I hadn’t known the Aleutian Islands even had a vote for our President, but then, I don’t subscribe to the Economist, either.

  104. Also, he resents that Palin gets him all hot in the trousers.

    Don’t we all?

  105. - O! doesn’t need “blips” thor-boy. O! needs a good solid lead or hes a toasty brown. You know that better than anyone, That’s why your manning the barricades.

    – Semi-stoopid. What she knows would fill a coin purse.

    – Barrett. Hes working at becoming an expert on becoming and expert. We know because he tells us that every day.

    – Its going to be mondo enjoyable watching the three of you slowly disintegrate when your wonder boy takes the gas.

  106. Slow Joe is gonna backstop Barry?

    Oh, THAT makes me feel much better.

  107. Comment by Jeff G. on 10/3 @ 9:24 am #

    As for Krauthammer, I suspect it galls him he has to vote for a statist ticket that is supposedly “conservative.” Also, he resents that Palin gets him all hot in the trousers.

    Krauthammer doesn’t wear trousers on the set. The man’s a well-known meat wagging free-baller. Maura Liasson won’t even look to her left.

  108. For the deteriorating number of capitalists left in this country, the most telling line by Joe “Champ” Biden was, “95% of small businesses don’t make over $250K!”

    And with your plan Champ, they never will.

  109. “Barrett, the joke is on you. No one said the term is incorrect.”

    Wow. You yourself said that it was incorrect when you wrote:

    “The term is “Bosnians” Brown. Bosniacs? You should get a hack job writing for Warners Bros. dick head.”

    What are you even trying to do here? I say that Biden’s use of the term “Bosniacs” is correct, you chime in with “The term is ‘Bosnians’ Brown.” Then, when you realize that everyone realizes what you failed to realize, which is that Bosniac is indeed the correct term in the case in question, and that the term “Bosnian” refers to something else, you pretend that you never said something that you obviously said, which is that the term “Bosniacs” is incorrect. Like, it’s all right here in the thread for anyone to see.

    “And yet this backward, ignorant, illiterate hillbilly who never reads anything managed to kick the ass of the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in a debate.”

    I know, right? She totally mopped the floor with him. I’m surprised that the McCain campaign is even bothering to raise any more money!

  110. Yeah, I don’t know what practical joker told Biden that this was the case.

    Why would anyone have to tell a 36 year Senate veteran, foreign policy ubergenius what happened in Lebanon? Or what the Vice President’s role is in the…um…Senate?

    What I like though is how Joey knows what Baracky said about Lebanon all those years ago. Priorities, people!

  111. Hunh. That “Katie’s Restaurant on Union St.” that Biden mentioned has been closed for 20 years, apparently. And it wasn’t on Union St.

  112. I’m surprised that the McCain campaign is even bothering to raise any more money!

    McCain stopped fundraising some time ago, Barrett. He had to, because he decided to take public financing.

    Obama, on the other hand, is still busy blowing Bon Jovi and Matt Damon so that the electricity won’t get turned off.

    I notice that you failed to address the point.

    Looking forward to your next spin/derail attempt.

  113. “Must you be so dishonest Barrett?”

    In the future, could you please use Google before accusing me of engaging in dishonesty? Hey, thanks! You’re a mensch!

    politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Whats_on_the_desk.html?showall

  114. Besides isn’t it slightly racist if not correctly hyphenated as Bosniac-Bosnians? Just saying.

  115. “I know, right? She totally mopped the floor with him.”

    – Which is why Barrett, you’d rather argue semantics, carefully ignoring the many lies, and the outright mistake hairplug made on the Constitution/branches of government.

    – Maybe we could call you a “willful ignoranceniac”.

  116. “McCain stopped fundraising some time ago, Barrett. He had to, because he decided to take public financing.”

    lol wut?. He is indeed still fundraising. I get, like, two letters from the campaign a week, the envelopes in question being stamped with hilarious things like “URGENT!”. Here are some actual facts which you will promptly disregard:

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/john-mccain-was.htmlhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/john-mccain-was.html

  117. I seem to remember Reagan learning his lesson on that particular excursion, even if no one else did.

    BB Reagan did pull out of Beirut after the Marine barracks bombing as they were on a peacekeeping mission. But I know that Reagan would have fully supported the GWOT after the disastrous 90s when attack after attack when unanswered.

    Actually I think he would have realized that the withdrawal was the wrong response, because the islamic terrorists viewed it as a victory and a sign of American weakness.

  118. It’s Friday and we had a cool front blow in last night so I’m feeling festive so what I do? I stop in on the way up here and pick up a beautiful babka. I tell you what – not a one of these Baracky voters I work with will touch. Not a single damn one. $5.99 all the way from Brooklyn and they won’t touch it. They hate the Jews. Baracky voters hate the Jews. I’ll tell you what it is. It’s a sadness. I feel sadness in my heart.

  119. - Jeez Bar-rat, you STILL don’t know how to set a link tag?

    – Talk to thor-boy. As dumb as he is, even he knows how to do that.

  120. You misread me, Barrett. The dishonesty I am referring to is not your claim that she was reading something from the John Birch society, as you well know. I know of the existence of that photo as well as you do. I also know that she has no connection with the John Birch society. And so do you. Pretending she does “she already knows that Eisenhower was a commie stooge” is asinine. Grow up.

  121. #126 – If I was an actor I believe I’d change my name to Link Tag. And vote for Barack, of course. If I wasn’t a stoopid conservative Canadian, too, that is.

  122. Was it a cinnamon bobka?

  123. Chocolate. Made with love.

  124. Really, SB&P! McCain SENT AN EMAIL!!! He’s fundraising!!! (For the RNC.)

    Or maybe not. True fact, Barrett, ain’t it? Though the LAT simply couldn’t be mistaken. We must be on the horns of a dilemma.

  125. “Jeez Bar-rat, you STILL don’t know how to set a link tag?”

    No, I don’t. I do know how to point out how hilarious it is that, just a few minutes after accusing me yet again of trying to avoid the point, you claim that McCain isn’t doing any fundraising, then I point out the obvious fact that he is, and then you make fun of me for not knowing how to do little tags on the internets because it’s more convenient than having to address the fact that you have once again made a demonstrably incorrect claim. But I won’t point that out because I don’t want to be mean to someone who is likely to be appointed to some cabinet-level position under President Palin. You’ve certainly got the head for it. Secretary of Making Fun of People’s Names, perhaps?

  126. I was just going to ask if it were a chocolate one.
    I am a friend of Israel in such situations.

  127. I get, like, two letters from the campaign a week, the envelopes in question being stamped with hilarious things like “URGENT!”.

    Maybe you should try reading the contents of those letters, Barrett.

    And you still haven’t addressed the point. Of course.

    Why wasn’t the ignorant, illiterate icebilly slaughtered by the 30-year Senate veteran who chairs the Foreign Relations Committee?

    You won’t answer. Because you can’t.

  128. Actually I think he would have realized that the withdrawal was the wrong response, because the islamic terrorists viewed it as a victory and a sign of American weakness.

    That should have been evident from our little run in with Iran a few years earlier, the one that put Reagan in office.

  129. Here you go Barrett.

  130. I think BB has never had any bobka made with love. He seems to be chowing down on alot of pastries baked with bitterness.

  131. You can look up the link tag thing as well as “Bosniak.”

    Also recipes for chocolate babka

  132. you claim that McCain isn’t doing any fundraising

    Hint: Hey, Barrett, there’s a little thingie at the top of each post that says “Comment by _____”.

    And, of course, you’re still trying to drag the discussion off-topic.

    Why wasn’t the ignorant, illiterate icebilly slaughtered by the 30-year Senate veteran who chairs the Foreign Relations Committee?

  133. Using “Bosniak” correctly (I did a little time in SFOR in 1997 – Sarajevo was terribly sobering) cannot come close to the crazy parallel dimension/alt-history of the US and France (?!) kicking Hezboallah out of Lebanon….and not knowing Article I of the US Constitution very much didn’t help either.

    At my most charitable, all I could stretch out was that Sen Biden was confused with the PLO being evacuated lo those many years ago, and the alleged “observer” force that makes sure that the Hezb don’t not shoot too much at Israel…

  134. I’d like to point out how hilarious Barrett’s comment at 9:53 is.

  135. - Awwww….I went and hurted Bawwatts widdle feelings.

    – You really need some pointers from thor-boy. Gonna need a lot thicker skin than that if you want to run with the Big dawgs Barnacle bill. Waaaa, and rending your clothes doesn’t cut it.

    – BTW. After I totally gutted your bullshit tome on evolution did you ever write a retraction, or did you just cover your stupid ass with your local homeboys. Just curious.

  136. That should have been evident from our little run in with Iran a few years earlier, the one that put Reagan in office.

    I totally agree and I feel that was a big mistake on President Reagans part. I wasn’t clear enough on my main point, In that Reagan would have recognized his mistake and taken responsibility for that wrong decision.

    BB was implying that Reagan learned the correct lesson in Beirut I disagree and think he would have said that withdrawing from Lebanon was the wrong move at the time.

  137. Ah, that linky in my #123 doesn’t take kindly to TinyURLing. Here’s a direct link and an alternate.

  138. Classic Barrett in this thread.

    1) Ignore the main point.
    2) Come up with some tortured exegesis of a semantic side issue.
    3) Pretend that 2) was the main issue.

    Why wasn’t the ignorant, illiterate icebilly slaughtered by the 30-year Senate veteran who chairs the Foreign Relations Committee?

  139. “You misread me, Barrett. The dishonesty I am referring to is not your claim that she was reading something from the John Birch society, as you well know.”

    Then why did you only quote my assertion that she reads John Birch mags? Maybe you should start quoting the things you actually take issue with instead of waiting for me to read your mind over the internets.

    “I also know that she has no connection with the John Birch society.”

    Really? You know that? What constitutes a “connection?” Careful, there, old boy – there’s been much talk on this blog about a certain candidate’s connection to certain other people; best to keep your definitions in a row. As for me, I think that subscribing to an organization’s publication and thus giving them money to boot constitutes a connection, but, then, I bear no ill-will towards the English language and don’t feel the need to corrupt it for ideological purposes.

    “And so do you.”

    You sure do know a lot about what I think! GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!1!!!11

    “Pretending she does “she already knows that Eisenhower was a commie stooge” is asinine. Grow up.”

    Okay, that’s a pretty solid plank in the whole John Birch treehouse; I have several of their books. She was reading a John Birch publication in her damned office. If you saw Obama reading “The Daily Worker,” you and everyone else here would be accusing him of ascribing to the majority of the Marxist platform, and you’d probably be right. In fact, you fellows have been tagging Obama as a Marxist for as long as I’ve been reading you. I don’t even know why you’re bothering with this particular tactic.

  140. Oh, and Barrett? I’ll stipulate that Biden is actually a 36 year Senate veteran rather than 30. Or, I suppose, technically he’s a 35 year, 11 month, and some odd weeks and days veteran.

    So can we just skip that stage of the spin cycle?

    Thanks.

  141. “Yeah, I don’t know what practical joker told Biden that this was the case. I seem to remember Reagan learning his lesson on that particular excursion, even if no one else did.”

    Fuck you, you fucking asshole.

    Those Marines were from my son’s regiment.

    FOAD.

  142. MAJ (P) John – But Biden misspeaks so smoothly.

  143. BB – if YOU read John Birch Society books then why are you hammering Palin for it?

    Besides, she can’t read /sarc

  144. Sister Palin is a John Birch nutter? Go figure.

  145. I have several of their books. She was reading a John Birch publication in her damned office.

    You have several of their books, and have (presumably) read them?

    So that makes you a Bircher, right?

    Foot, meet bullet.

    Why wasn’t the ignorant, illiterate icebilly slaughtered by the 30-year Senate veteran who chairs the Foreign Relations Committee?

  146. Governor Palin handled the debate very well and Baracky’s media is very disappointed this morning. But I think for real this incentivizes Nancy to tank the economy even more. That’s not good even if it’s the gayest bailout ever.

  147. “Why wasn’t the ignorant, illiterate icebilly slaughtered by the 30-year Senate veteran who chairs the Foreign Relations Committee?”

    Because she’s a fucking genius and a second Margaret Thatcher. You win.

  148. there’s been much talk on this blog about a certain candidate’s connection to certain other people;

    Guilty. It’s possible I exaggerated when I mentioned a connection between Dracula and Obama. That was when I mentioned the connection between Rezko, Ayres, Raines, Johnson, Frank, Dodd, Alinsky, and Obama.

    Notice I mention no connection between Biden and Obama.

  149. Palin was a community organizer for Birchites? (Birchettes? Birchniaks? Birchons?)

    She was picked by a “wish he had blown more stuff up” bomber, to funnell big chunks of Bircher bucks money to “education partners”, to teach the little vermins to get us out of the UN?

    Wow.

  150. “Notice I mention no connection between Biden and Obama”

    – Heh. Yes, its that painfully obvious isn’t it. Talk about the odd couple.

  151. I read Sister Palin was conceived on the floor of the Finland Station. Not that that means anything. Not that she could be a NKVD-like spy or anything.

  152. Until I see that Palin served on anti-abortion community activists groups with people that bomb abortion clinics there really is no comparison.

  153. Another Biden Classic:

    “I’ve been in the Senate for 36 years. I haven’t changed. I’m not gonna change. Now, can I sell you a big frothy bowl of change?”

  154. #

    Comment by Semanticleo on 10/3 @ 10:16 am #

    Do you speak English?

  155. - I really wish the Right would stop interfering with the Lefts obsession with aborting their spawn.

    – Given enough time the issue would be self-correcting.

  156. I think that subscribing to an organization’s publication

    Read this Barrett. Then tell me how you know she has a subscription to “an organization’s publication”.

    waiting for me to read your mind over the internets.

    No, it is your own mind I expect you to read. Not mine. Stop and think what you are saying. I expect you to know when you are being dishonest. If you can’t be honest with yourself about that, then I don’t know what to think about what you may have to say to anyone else.

    After all, you’re a famous researcher here at PW. Didn’t you care to look into how Palin came to be in the photo with the controversial publication? No? That’s odd.

    …you fellows have been tagging Obama as a Marxist for as long as I’ve been reading you.

    You fellows? I don’t believe I have ever stated that Barack Obama is a marxist. But then, that’s just my memory of what I’ve written here. If you’ld care to find such a passage you might then have some grounds on which to make such a claim. Otherwise, that’s just as hollow as your claims about Palin.

  157. He’s right though subscribing is wrong. Everyone should cut that shit out.

  158. He’s right though subscribing is wrong.

    It wasn’t a subscription publication, though, ‘feets.

    It was junk mail that was sent out to practically every public official in the country. And it was carefully disguised to hide any connection with the Birchers.

  159. I guess I need to understand how an Alinsky acolyte somehow isn’t a Marxist. Has he publicly refuted Alinsky’s methods? I can understand someone, for instance, being a Viking fan and coming to their senses but I expect to see them in a different team cap, in that case.

  160. My girlfriend got me a subscription to Maxim. Does that make her a sexist or me?

  161. I guess I need to understand how an Alinsky acolyte somehow isn’t a Marxist.

    I don’t think Alinsky was actually a Marxist, ducktrapper. More of a fellow traveler.

  162. Naw, he was like “Alinsky who? I don’t know that name.”

  163. Descartes wrote a book called “On Method”. So when you use algebra for some calculation or other, does that make you a Cartesian, ducktrapper?

  164. Hey! I’m a Vikings fan for the same reason I’m a wilderness camper: it feels so good when it’s over.

  165. I’m surprised that those who choose to engage Barrett haven’t figured out his methodology yet. Or maybe they have, and choose to ignore it. I will ponder this.

  166. Since you called me out specifically as “having taken the bait”, have you figured out my methodology yet, there cranky-d? Or is that what you are pondering?

    If you do figure it out, do let me know what you come up with, will you? Cause I’d like to let me in on it. :-)

  167. Ignoring it, cranky-d. BB does fine when you redirect.

  168. Okay, that’s a pretty solid plank in the whole John Birch treehouse; I have several of their books.

    You sure do know a lot about what Palin thinks, Barrett. GET OUT OF HER MIND!!!1!!!11

    You have several of their books, and have (presumably) read them?

    So that makes you a Bircher, right?

    Heh. Did you seek those out, Barrett?

  169. #172 – What do you think I am, French? If I merely use the same language that Marx wrote in, it is not the same as using Marxist methods. If I use algebra to calculate how much of your country to take over, am I merely a budding mathematician? No. You can’t get me that easily.

  170. “You sure do know a lot about what Palin thinks, Barrett. GET OUT OF HER MIND!!!1!!!11″

    If BB is one thing, he is indeed a hypocrite.

  171. [...] have you figured out my methodology yet, there cranky-d?

    Nope. I’ll let you know if/when I do. If I were to guess, you are simply entertaining yourself, and are more interested in what kind of responses you get than anything else.

  172. Did you guys catch this Biden gem:

    “I’m not going to lie to you. I’m probably going to lie to you tonight.”

  173. I might have made that one up.

  174. Biden:”Hey, heres the deal with this. I’ve been practicing this lying stuff for 35 years between here and Scranton. Whadayah expect me to do tonight, stop just for you guys?”

  175. Biden: “How am I going to sell you my shit, without lying? C’mon.”

  176. Pingback: “Why McCain Goes Easy on Fannie and the CRA”

  177. oh. I just meant in general, Spies. Subscribing to media products is bad almost always. The media is full of hate and guile what you should not subsidize I don’t think. See, no one hardly ever makes an ad buy for a single magazine… a print campaign puts together a group of books that will hit a target at a certain cost. You support any of these, and you are very likely enabling the whole stupid sordid business. Same with newspapers but to a lesser extent.

  178. So Barret reads Bircher tracts? Collects them?

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