September 12, 2008

Palin-mpsest

Evidently, rather than issuing a correction or retraction to an egregious error, ABC News has simply scrubbed their “Nightline” airing of the Charlie Gibson interview with Sarah Palin of Gibson’s misquote (and Governor Palin’s notice of that misquote) of a line Palin delivered to a church assembly — the result being that Palin is left not only to explain an out of context exhortation made at her old church, but to explain an out of context exhortation that hadn’t even been correctly quoted.

And this is ABC News — a major news outlet — airbrushing away its own mistake on the night the interview actually aired, and after having already released a partial transcript.

Additionally, the AP frames Palin’s answer to a question about the Bush doctrine thusly:

John McCain running mate Sarah Palin sought Thursday to defend her qualifications but struggled with foreign policy, unable to describe President Bush’s doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations and acknowledging she’s never met a foreign head of state.

Of course, the actual Bush Doctrine is a bit more complex than the AP makes it out — and Palin’s response to Gibson’s question — “In what respect?” — is, as Pablo points out in the comments to the previous post, a perfectly clearheaded response to a foreign policy plan that is far more intricate than the AP presents it, and that has been expanded upon by a long history of those who’ve presumed to define it. Just because the press can’t be bothered to think in anything more than soundbites doesn’t mean a Governor or VP candidate should oblige.

So, to Andrew Sullivan and the rest of the perpetually outraged who keep breathlessly asking why Palin is “ducking” the press, here are a pair of obvious object lessons.

Many in the mainstream press (with, in this instance, the NYT as the surprising outlier) have decided that now is the time to practice advocacy — and if these two examples are indicative of what we’re to look forward to the next couple months, we have, for all intents and purposes, ceased being a democratic republic; because we can not, as a country, be expected to make informed decisions if our media has decided to feed us only that part of the story that pushes us to draw the “right” conclusions, conclusions that they have predecided we as an electorate need to make.

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The perpetually cynically and gloomy Allahpundit is, well, cynical and gloomy. I think he’s too hard on Governor Palin, though — as she now realizes she not only has to answer the questions, but she has to do so in a way where she doesn’t provide “gotcha” soundbites.

Not that it worked — after all, by trying to press Gibson on his understanding of the Bush Doctrine, the soundbite has turned into her being “unable to describe President Bush’s doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations.”

At least she didn’t answer that it’s above her pay grade.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 12:01am
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Comments (455)

  1. with, in this instance, the NYT as the surprising outlier

    Might have something to do with this.

    The Sulzbergers have been put on notice that they either need to cut the dividend (thus cutting into Pinch’s polo pony fund) or face having the NYT credit rating cut to “junk” status.

  2. Heh; wouldn’t it be funny if this sort of blatant political advocacy brought about public demand for a real Fairness Doctrine — one which demanded true objectivity on the part of the Meeja?…

    (Maybe Limbaugh was right: The sudden upturn in Unemployment is coming from all of the journalists who are being laid off….)

  3. - Actually I approve something that cynn said. “The Bush doctrine is breaking stuff”.

    - I’d add, especially if its head is wrapped in a towel.

    - Someone asked earlier, so yes, FOX is beating the Gibson “editing” on Palins godbothering comment like a rented mule.

    - I’m pretty sure one of these nights Hannity (just pretend I typed it 25 times with Coulters legs sandwiched in somewhere in the middle) is going to put one of these weaselly little commie academic pricks right through a wall of the set, and shove what ever lying piece of shit book hes peddling up Colmes ass. Almost happened yesterday.

  4. I’m using the abc “tip line”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/BrianRoss/page?id=3247430

    and telling them to look at this post for “worrisome allegations involving Palin”

    heh.

  5. I must be cynical, I guess. I thought she did ok. C, B- when graded on the curve of innate media leftiness. Nothing brilliant nor boneheaded.

    Odd how John McCain’s political fortunes are now so dependent on this pretty little moosehunter. I don’t mean to patronize her. She’s unquestionably charismatic. She’s never taken a political position that I can find that bothers me, other than backing off book-banning (the banning bothers, not the backing off, obviously). I just mean this man is all the experience we need, no? He’s not going to keel over in office, I don’t think: the Prez gets top-notch care, no shit. She’s the Veep, the understudy. Spunky & cute as she is, I’m not projecting too much onto her. Even if she proves dumb as Dan Quayle, or conversely Reaganesque I doubt them both – Dems AND Reps are getting too caught up in her right now. Nobody gives a rat’s ass about Joe Biden. And thank God. I’m a Delawarean: I’ve seen his act my whole life. Folks at PW have pegged him from day one for the smarmy glad-handing gasbag he is. We know it in Delaware, too; but political change is slow here. A tiny state needs seniority in committees to have any influence. Our previous Pompous Old Senator was a Republican with a toupee that looked like a dead grey squirrel. That’s just how it’s done here.

    I’m so glad for the Internet. This one-sided slant to Serious News Reportage has gone on too long. The Left has gotten lazy & stupid because of its advantage in Official Portrayal. People are noticing. Free news on the Web accelerates the trend dramatically: they can’t sell slanted tripe in one flavor when there are all sorts of exotically slanted opinions for free.

  6. molyuk

    you do know, right, that Palin wasn’t about banning any books?

    Geez, these smears are like toadstools after a warm spring rain.

  7. ABC is a ridiculous institution, to be sure. But Palin obviously doesn’t seem to recognize the term “Bush Doctrine,” and at any rate responded to the question in a vacuous manner. But I’m glad to see that you have reversed your previous policy on disinformation, Jeff. I remember when Malkin et al were accusing the NYT of trying to kill Rumsfeld by running a feature on Rumsfeld’s vacation house. Malkin didn’t realize that Rumsfeld’s people had cooperated with the fellows who wrote the article, or that several conservative outlets such as Fox News and Newsmax (my personal favorite) had run the same thing. That’s because Malkin didn’t bother to do any actual, you know, research. And thus she accused several writers of an extraordinarily serious crime without having done her due diligence first. So I have a question for you: did Malkin act wrongly? Please advise.

  8. But Palin obviously doesn’t seem to recognize the term “Bush Doctrine,” and at any rate responded to the question in a vacuous manner.

    Yeah, I tend to doubt she doesn’t recognize the term. I’m not a Governor of one of 50 (not 57, mind!) states, and I recognize the term, this despite lots of heroin. So I think Palin was spot on to recognize Gibson was going for a gotcha moment and ask him to define his terms. The links I provided should make clear the confusion over what the “Bush Doctrine” is, and how it’s dependent on who is defining it.

    I’m glad to see that you have reversed your previous policy on disinformation, Jeff.

    I had a disinformation policy? Huh. Does it double if the truth is murdered?

    I have a question for you: did Malkin act wrongly? Please advise.

    I believe I did at the time. Please search.

  9. But Palin obviously doesn’t seem to recognize the term

    What was obvious to me was that she was suspicious (rightfully) of a “gotcha” by Uncle Charlie’s overly general question. She asked for clarification and you think that means SHE had no clue.

    Because, you know, us wommins, we are just so confuzzled by big smarty pants menz that we don’t know any betters than to question you. Forgive us for questioning you menfolk.

  10. Hey! is that a rabbit over there?!

  11. - Maybe Twit. If so she’d be 1 miss for 876 hits.

    - All of which has not a thing to do with Gibson and his Lefturd boses perfidy.

    - So you’re still batting a thousand on off topic bunky.

  12. No more for me until tomorrow. B/W Sherlock Holmes movie and Guinness to follow.

    Plus, I’m depressed that I get half the traffic of Patterico and a third of Ace — not to mention that a lot of my old regulars hang out at those sites now.

    I feel like I have to lose weight.

  13. Hmmm…Malkin, being a WOC, is an apostate to the Left. So they hate her with the same zeal they’ve taken to Gov. Palin.

    Women are not allowed to be anything more than tools members-in-equality with the Left.

    Every successful woman who is a non-leftist is an afront to them.

  14. - Its the jodhpurs Jeff. They make your ass look fat.

  15. “Plus, I’m depressed that I get half the traffic of Patterico and a third of Ace”

    If so, that’s ridiculous. Despite your failure to understand that Spore is a great computer game that you ought to be playing, what you present here is far superior to what is presented at those sorts of outlets. This can be changed very easily. Keep doing whatever it is that you do to antagonize Wolcott, for instance. I’m not sure what it is exactly because Wolcott never got around to stating it.

    I’ll look for your stuff on Malkin’s irresponsible attack on several decent and well-meaning writers later on. In the meantime, I have recruited several more nifty writers for our ongoing Save the Humor Institutions Project over the past couple of days…

    Lest I appear too nice and thus damage my reputation as an asshole, you defended Ben Domenech as well. On the other hand, he does merit being held to a lower standard, being a creationist and the beneficiary of nepotism and whatnot, so I guess you were just being nice, or something.

  16. “Hmmm…Malkin, being a WOC, is an apostate to the Left. So they hate her with the same zeal they’ve taken to Gov. Palin.”

    Yeah, that’s clearly it. And the females who don’t quite dig her policy of accusing some freelance writers of treason for writing an article that conservative publications also ran are clearly sexists as well, and you are a totally honest person.

  17. Giant Rat of Sumatra?

  18. But Palin obviously doesn’t seem to recognize the term “Bush Doctrine,”

    You’re not even trying any more, are you, Barrett?

  19. “You’re not even trying any more, are you, Barrett?”

    Very substantive. You have won this debate b

  20. Very substantive. You have won this debate

    By pointing that you’re either lying or terminally clueless?

    Yes, yes, I have.

    Sorry about that.

  21. I thought the Bush Doctrine was that a state harboring terrorists was responsible for atrocities that organization might commit. With harboring being generously interpreted to mean not doing enough at the state level to bring about the end of said group, as opposed to a positive definition of aiding and abetting …

  22. “Sorry about that.”

    It’s okay, I’m used to having random anonymous weirdos type out cliches of no substance and then declare victory, having been posting here for a month or so now.

    Speaking of which, does that really work? Like, if I go on the internet and decide that I dislike someone and then type, “You’re not even trying anymore,” do I automatically win the argument? Because that sounds like an efficient manner in which to win such things. Let me try it real quick.

    Hey, Spies, Brigands, and Pirates, you’re not even trying anymore, are you? ZOMG LOL I WIN!

  23. Like, if I go on the internet and decide that I dislike someone and then type, “You’re not even trying anymore,” do I automatically win the argument?</I.

    If the person you’re talking to is a clumsy liar?

    Yes, you do.

    Again, sorry about that.

  24. I am indeed very clumsy and have spilled several cups of coffee and Tang and water in the space of the last 24 hours.

    Incidentally, it occurs to me that you’re a really smart guy who never loses an argument. You should start writing under your real name so that history will remember you.

  25. I’m not interested in “debating” you, Barrett, since you’ve shown yourself to be without honor in that field.

    At this stage, I’m happy to just point and laugh at the rhetorical one-trick pony that you keep riding into the ring.

  26. “I’m not interested in “debating” you, Barrett”

    Oh, obviously. That’s why you’re ignoring me and not responding to my comments, and haven’t spent a great deal of time trying to show me up.

    I notice that you are calling me by my name, which I have provided to you and everyone else. What shall I call you, my hidden fellow citizen?

    It’s very unfair of you to stay incognito. A hundred years from now, historians will look back o this thread and mutter, “Damnation! Here we have the writings of the greatest and most honest New Media sub-pundit of the early 21st century, yet we have no idea who he is! This grand fellow, who has so often declared victory in the midst of his debates and who, it logically follows, has actually won these debates, must be studied, revered, and celebrated for his totally reasonable rhetoric. Also, where’s that crack pipe at?”

  27. That’s why you’re ignoring me

    “Making fun of” and “debating” are two different things, Barrett. Entirely.

    Oh, but I forget: you’re the guy who has his own private definition of “equate”.

    Snicker.

    And no, I’d just as soon not be getting late night phone calls from borderline psychotics like thor, but thanks anyway!

  28. “And no, I’d just as soon not be getting late night phone calls from borderline psychotics like thor, but thanks anyway!”

    There was a time in which those who chose to attack others did so openly, under their real names, and not from the safe confines of internet-based anonymity. Obviously, those days are over, and today there exists a class of people who enjoy the excitement of insultingd others but who are simultaneously reluctant to take responsibility for their own words. Goldstein has to deal with such people all the time, and so do I. In fact, pretty much everyone who makes their living in the political sphere or otherwise advocates for some controversial issue has to deal with such cowards as yourself. So, again, stop apologizing; you are forgiven! A QUICK ONE WHILE HE’S AWAY!

  29. Whatever you say, Barrett. You’re a martyr, I’m a coward, yaddayaddayadda.

    It still won’t change the fact that no one here believes you.

    A little less “clever” spinning and a little more substantive debating would probably cut down on the number of “insults” you attract.

  30. Jeff, I can’t access your post on the Malkin/NYT thing. The link from Malkin’s blog is thus:

    proteinwisdom.com/weblog/entry/20621/

    … and it keeps giving me a 404. Possibly my computer being a stupid fucking computer? Because there is precedent.

  31. Nevermind. I found it:

    proteinwisdom.com/?p=6636

    It was good of you to acknowledge your mistake in having followed Malkin’s typically idiotic lead. But what’s really fun here is the comment section. Here’s Rob Crawford, explaining that the NYT was “leaking security information on high-ranking officials.” Hilariously enough, it was Rumsfeld’s people who “leaked” that already-available information.

    It occurs to me that this would be a pretty funny subject for a NL post. Later, skaters!

  32. Oh, God. This is good. Here’s Goldstein telling off a troll:

    “But hey, flick your matches at straw men from the comfort of your anonymity, buddy. Makes me no nevermind.”

    Couldn’t have said it better myself, Jeff. But this is even funnier; even after many of your regular commenters have pointed out that this whole thing is nonsense, and that this little fluff piece was written in conjunction with Rumsfeld and Cheney’s people, N.O. Brain pops in with:

    “Bottom line:

    Reactionary leftists are thugs, from Lenin to Stalin to Hitler to Mao to Pol Pot to that poofy-haired bastard in North Korea.

    Fear and intimidation are written into the leftist playbook, and they ain’t about to change it.”

    Totally, dude! Way to summarize what people were thinking before they realized they had made a big fucking mistake!

    Meanwhile, I suppose it had never occurred to anyone that the location of the actual president’s fucking vacation home (the ranch he bought in ’98 and which has no horses, unlike real Texas ranches of the sort that aren’t owned by Yale legacy kids) is in the public record. It’s amazing what doesn’t occur to people when they don’t want anything to occur to them. ZOMG I MADE A BON MOT NOW I CAN GO TO YALE TOO!!!1!1!1

  33. How did we move from Gibson lying about Palin’s statements to Maulkin’s error? So BB are you saying that was ok because Maulkin once called a journalist treasonous?

  34. BB can you stay on topic please instead of talking about a 3 year old story? I know it helps you not talk about the current state of journalism, something Maulkin has never claimed to be, but it really does not relate to anything this post is about. So I take it you consider it ok for Gibson to portray Palin as a religious zealot as long as it helps destroy her?

  35. OMG! Bush has no horses! He must hate animals, I bet he kicks puppies and kittens! Wow, that was fun. Now do you have anything relevant to say?

  36. Hey, folks, at least Barrette spent two whole sentences on the topic at hand before launching into his hissy fit. OK, so half of those sentences were completely wrong, but let’s give him some credit for doubling his focus on the topic, OK?

  37. Well, I guess this whole parallel works if we can now call Charlie Gibson a pundit.

    Didn’t he, like, host one of the debates? Can we get Rush to host a debate, because that would be so kewl!

  38. Palin did fine for her first international interview. While the MSM will do it’s best to trip her up, The Trap continues to work, as seen by Diane Feinstein’s suggestion that Obama focus on Palin’s readiness. Keep laying the groundwork for the day McCain and Obama debate foreign policy on the same stage, Diane. Please.

  39. Damn, has Barrett been up all night? Dude, you need to get some sleep.

  40. “How did we move from Gibson lying about Palin’s statements to Maulkin’s error?”

    It was simple enough. The subject here is integrity and caution on the part of those who would report the news. My point is that integrity and caution are the sorts of things you fellows demand from your adversaries but not from your allies.

    “So BB are you saying that was ok because Maulkin once called a journalist treasonous?”

    The first sentence I wrote with regards to this is that “ABC is a ridiculous institution, to be sure.” I apologize for even considering the possibility that people such as yourself would be either honest or literate enough to be able to discern what such a sentence means. Short answer is “no.”

    “BB can you stay on topic please instead of talking about a 3 year old story?”

    Your question is flawed. The topic involves media and truth, and, like all topics other than space elevators and the colonization of Mars, involves the past. One can not draw upon the future, unfortunately, and must thus draw upon the past. The present, meanwhile, is meanwhile. Also… remember Rathergate? That thing that gets brought up quite a bit on conservative blogs. Something tells me that you don’t mind when that particular story gets mentioned in the context of discussions regarding the media.

    “I know it helps you not talk about the current state of journalism”

    As mentioned, I already talked about it when I said that ABC is a flawed institution.

    “something Maulkin has never claimed to be”

    I never claimed that Malkin was a journalist, either. But she is part of the media. On a totally unrelated subject, we are discussing the media.

    “but it really does not relate to anything this post is about.”

    The post is about whether or not the MSM is less trustworthy than, say, conservative bloggers. Malkin is a conservative blogger who tends to show up on MSM outlets quite a bit, as a TV pundit and columnist. You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t take your advice on whether or not the media relates to the media.

    “So I take it you consider it ok for Gibson to portray Palin as a religious zealot as long as it helps destroy her?”

    No, but you are free to take anything you like from anything I say, and will.

    “OMG! Bush has no horses! He must hate animals, I bet he kicks puppies and kittens! Wow, that was fun. Now do you have anything relevant to say?”

    It has already been said. And I didn’t mean to imply, obviously, that Bush hates animals, but rather that he is scared of some of them, which is common knowledge among those of us who knew the family.

  41. The post is about whether or not the MSM is less trustworthy than, say, conservative bloggers. Malkin is a conservative blogger who tends to show up on MSM outlets quite a bit, as a TV pundit and columnist. You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t take your advice on whether or not the media relates to the media.

    Do you understand the difference between a reporter and a commentator?

  42. Here’s Rob Crawford, explaining that the NYT was “leaking security information on high-ranking officials.” Hilariously enough, it was Rumsfeld’s people who “leaked” that already-available information.

    Pardon my error. I was assuming the NYT was continuing its habit of leaking information.

    Hmmmm… haven’t they since leaked the name of an interrogator after being asked not to, because it would put the interrogator’s life at risk? Nah, couldn’t have been the NYT.

    In any case, we’re not all models of perfection like writers for National Lampoon. Please try to keep that in mind.

  43. “Damn, has Barrett been up all night? Dude, you need to get some sleep.”

    BUT I MUST FEED ON THE LIVING! I mean, I’ll hit the hay soon, been working on something that I’m enjoying and can’t bring myself to crawl into bed quite yet.

  44. I mean, think about it. Exactly how does Obama question Palin’s “readiness” without it being quoted by McCain during their debates, and applied to Obama himself?

  45. There was a time in which those who chose to attack others did so openly, under their real names, and not from the safe confines of internet-based anonymity.

    That’s the same idiotic argument that was used when printing presses started to proliferate. There’s a grand history of anonymous pamphleteers, making their arguments from behind a veil of anonymity.

    There’s a reason Batman runs his game from behind a mask — he’s a wuss, unlike Tony Stark, who totally owns his Iron Man identity. No, wait, I mean, he’s being strong and attempting to keep those he loves out of harm’s way. That’s the ticket…

  46. Lest I appear too nice and thus damage my reputation as an asshole, you defended Ben Domenech as well.

    Oh, don’t worry, Barrett. Your asshole bona fides are fully intact, as are your nitwit bona fides.

    http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=6199

  47. “Pardon my error. I was assuming the NYT was continuing its habit of leaking information.”

    Damned newspapers with their leaking of information!

    “Hmmmm… haven’t they since leaked the name of an interrogator after being asked not to, because it would put the interrogator’s life at risk? Nah, couldn’t have been the NYT.”

    Had they not mentioned the name, the con blogs would have accused them of making it up. Which reminds me of that time when Malkin and the rest of the Baker Street Irregulars decided that the Iraqi police official who noted that a particular mosque had been fucked up did not exist and was in fact made up by an AP reporter, who is himself a real person who thus had to contend with accusations of fraud. Then it turned out that the officer did indeed exist. Oh, well!

    At any rate, the AP is now run by a guy who sent glowing e-mails to Karl Rove. You should be happy.

  48. Again you equate boggers with credentialed journalists. Why is this penny not dropping for you/

  49. “That’s the same idiotic argument that was used when printing presses started to proliferate.”

    It was valid then, too. And, guess what? Goldstein feels the same way about it, having had to contend with this sort of bullshit for several years, and has told me as much. Perhaps you should address your comments to him.

    “Oh, don’t worry, Barrett. Your asshole bona fides are fully intact, as are your nitwit bona fides.”

    Great. That’s not the post I’m talking about, friend.

  50. “Your question is flawed. The topic involves media and truth, and, like all topics other than space elevators and the colonization of Mars, involves the past. One can not draw upon the future, unfortunately, and must thus draw upon the past. The present, meanwhile, is meanwhile. Also… remember Rathergate? That thing that gets brought up quite a bit on conservative blogs. Something tells me that you don’t mind when that particular story gets mentioned in the context of discussions regarding the media.”

    So basically if you follow this line of thinking when the Maulkin story came up I could refer to the press emasculating the elder Bush for supposedly not knowing what a grocery scanner was? Then you could point to something that happened in the 70′s and we could totally avoid talking about the actual issue. I see that is a great debate tactic I will try to remember that one. DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC, TALK ABOUT A PAST TOPIC THAT SUPPORTS YOUR OPINION, AND THAT IS EASILY AGREED UPON BY EVERYONE. Ok I got it man you are so freakin smart. Hey next let’s talk about the Mexican-American war as an example of the imperialism of the Bush doctrine.

  51. The fact that Brown wants to focus on the Rumsfeld summer house story speaks volumes about how well the interview went for Governor Palin.

  52. I think Palin answered the Bush Doctrine question correctly. The point of the question was to get some video tying Palin to Bush. Palin actually criticized Bush instead.

    ABC didn’t get any gotcha video clips from the interview. Whatever they say about the interview, ABC has no video evidence of any gaffes. ABC lost, Palin won.

  53. “The post is about whether or not the MSM is less trustworthy than, say, conservative bloggers. Malkin is a conservative blogger who tends to show up on MSM outlets quite a bit, as a TV pundit and columnist. You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t take your advice on whether or not the media relates to the media.”

    This is the thinking that equates Rush Limbaugh with the NYTimes or ABC. To relate this to the topic at hand, Gibson is playing an advocate for a position in his interview. This would be the same as if Maulkin was allowed to interview Obama on a major news network, and then take Obama’s statements out of context. Then when it was discovered that they were taken out of context, simply scrub mention of them off the rebroadcast without issueing a retraction.

  54. Then it turned out that the officer did indeed exist. Oh, well!

    Wrong. Capt. Jamil Hussein does not exist, and the guy the AP says is him denies being their source for anything. To this day, the AP has not produced their source for the stories in question. And if the guy they point to really was him, which he says he isn’t, they have been fools to use him as a source on stories he had no direct knowledge of.

    Way to burnish those bona fides, Barrett.

  55. “Again you equate boggers with credentialed journalists.”

    Many bloggers seek to replace credentialed journalists, which is fine with me, as many credentialed journalists are degenerate, amoral careerists who don’t know how to properly report facts, much less context. But some of these bloggers make ridiculous and easily-avoidable errors of the sort that even silly publications like Time would fire someone for, and then they obfuscate their way out of it and then summarily go back to doing the same damned thing that they’d just done.

  56. Great. That’s not the post I’m talking about, friend.

    Which one are you talking about, then?

  57. BB can you actually give me your thoughts on ABC’s actions involving Palin’s interview? You know taking her statements out of context, actually cutting it off in midsentence, to make her seem like a zealot.

  58. Jeff, Barrett Brown likes you. Shouldn’t that be a warning sign that there’s something wrong?

    Plus, I like you too. Couldn’t this be a double warning sign of the apocalypse?

    I really like the “Uhbama” name someone came up with. Can we talk about that for a while? I mean since this is an open thread and all.

  59. “Wrong. Capt. Jamil Hussein does not exist, and the guy the AP says is him denies being their source for anything. To this day, the AP has not produced their source for the stories in question. And if the guy they point to really was him, which he says he isn’t, they have been fools to use him as a source on stories he had no direct knowledge of.

    Way to burnish those bona fides, Barrett.”

    The post you link to does not say that Hussein doesn’t exist, and Malkin herself has even admitted that he does, in fact, exist. Having been reading this blog for a while now, I am very rarely stunned anymore by the dishonesty and incompetence one sees among the commenters, but you have managed to stun me nonetheless. When even Malkin has given up, it’s time to give up, yo.

  60. Sleep now, debate later, guise.

  61. Sleep now, debate later, guise.

    Sleep now and never actually adress what this post is about. Hey you can always dream about the past actions of Maulkin and equate them with current events. Nice job BB enjoy your rest.

  62. But some of these bloggers make ridiculous and easily-avoidable errors of the sort that even silly publications like Time would fire someone for, and then they obfuscate their way out of it and then summarily go back to doing the same damned thing that they’d just done.

    They do that on their own dime and without the pretension of being unbiased sources of information. And when was the last time an MSM figure was fired for being full of crap, without first having been outed and hounded by non-MSM folks?

    The so-called alternative media fulfills the role of media watchdog. No more and no less.

  63. Let me know what district Capt Hussein is in, and I’l go by and get a picture of him – proof, you wingutz!1!11!

  64. The post you link to does not say that Hussein doesn’t exist, and Malkin herself has even admitted that he does, in fact, exist.

    No, Jamil Hussein does not exist. The guy the AP says is Jamil Hussein is not named Jamil Hussein, and he denies being an AP source. There is no Jamil Hussein. Jamil Gholaim and says he’s not AP’s source. Jamil Hussein cannot be located or identified. Which makes sense, given that he doesn’t exist.

    All of which sort of pales in comparison to the flat out lies reported as fact by the AP and attributed to Jamil Hussein.

  65. All of which sort of pales in comparison to the flat out lies reported as fact by the AP and attributed to Jamil Hussein.

    Which, BTW, Malkin did yeoman’s work in reporting on, including actually going to Iraq, to the source. But, you know, TEH WINGNUTZ!!

  66. Major John, could you keep an eye out for Bigfoot and the chupacabra while you’re there?

  67. I wonder what Barry and the Arkansas Cracker said to each other yesterday? Did Barry really have to bend down and kiss Bill’s ass? Did Barry have to sit through a Bill monologue on Palin’s physical attributes? Did Bill then need an intern to nurture him?

    High stakes.

  68. Does anyone have a link to a side by side comparison of the questions asked of Palin vrs. those asked of Obama?

  69. By Keef, or O’Reilly, Mr. Pink?

  70. I thought Gibson interviewed Obama once Dan. I could be wrong though.

  71. What is this threadjacking with BB? And what is the hardon he has for Malkin?

    Malkin’s typically idiotic lead

    “typical” would generally translate to Malkin being wrong the majority of the time. BB offers one 3 y/o arguable story and flogs it as if that absolves ABC and Gibson from disappearing act of Gibson’s deliberate misquote.

    And yes, BB, the hatred of Malkin and Palin as traitors to their sex underlines a great deal of the criticism of both. In the case of Palin, it is easier to see with statements that run the lines of “I don’t know her, but she scares me.”

  72. The interview seemed designed to generate headlines such as “Palin wants war with ______” and “Palin thinks the Iraq war is teh mission from Godz”. The chopped up quote was just icing on the cake and really was not needed. The disapearing act of that has been pulled after the fact is just disgusting.

  73. Thanks Darleen.

  74. Sdferr dropped this link to Charlie’s Obama interview in the last thread. He does bring up experience, but check out the frame he puts it in and compare it to the way he put it to Palin. To Obama:

    If people have a reservation about you, it is that you’re young, you’re inexperienced and you’re very new to the international stage.

    Barry assures him that everything will be just fine and Gibson then moves on to the next topic. Now, with Palin:

    Can you look the country in the eye and say “I have the experience and I have the ability to be not just vice president, but perhaps President of the United States of America?”

    Palin: [paraphrased: Yes.]

    Gibson: And you didn’t say to yourself “Am I experienced enough. Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs. Will I be comfortable enough on the international stage?

    Palin: I didn’t hesitate…

    Gibson: Doesn’t that take some hubris?

    We report. You decide.

  75. Barrett also is ignoring, perhaps he is unaware, of the context of the Malkin piece. I may be mistaken, but I believe this was right after her family had to relocate because of harassment in retaliation for her making a press release public. I think it is understandable that she may have been a little hypersensitive to this type of thing. Not an excuse, just an explanation.

  76. Pablo

    remember that female reporter who was practically swooning over Barry and asked “do you ever have doubts?” and he said “never” …

    no follow up question, she needed to get a cigarette.

  77. They should just shorten their slogan to “We decide”

  78. The bias is so obvious at this point I can’t take anyone serious who continues to deny it. They are either lying or retarded. Take a look at the suggestions in the links in Dan’s piece
    http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=1539
    Every one of them is recommendations on how to make Palin look bad.

  79. B Moe,

    MALKIN!!!eleventy!!! ‘Nuff said.

    Darleen, I do indeed. But Charlie hasn’t told us about the thrill up his leg. Yet.

  80. B Moe, I really like #12 from Skewz:

    12. We have a president who is from another petro-state. He’s also an evangelical. He had rarely left the country prior to becoming president…just as your exposure to the outside world appears limited. He was close to the Texas oil industry. Given your husband works in the oil industry and given that Alaska’s revenues chiefly come from oil; how would you overcome many of these similarities and govern differently than President Bush.

    We should be more concerned with how she’s going to overcome her similarities to the Senators from California who are from the west, wear glasses and have tits and vaginas. It’s like they’re carbon copies of each other.

  81. What gets me is that the MSM is taking the stance that McCain is going to drop dead at the inaugural ball and Palin will be President. They are questioning her as if she were running for President and questioning her in ways they never did nor dared to question The One.

  82. This follows a comment from a co-worker who’s an Obama supporter- said co-worker claimed a few days ago that when asked to be vice president, she didn’t know what the job was. I explained to him when offered the job, she asked what the job would entail, something any smart job candidate asks up front. Palin is not stupid- she is measured and wants all the facts before she blurts out an answer (see Obama, Barrky Hussein). “The Bush Doctrine” as defined by Gibson and his handlers could be just about anything from “We spread democracy” to “We kill brown people b/c they are brown”. She wanted to know exactly what Gibson meant and asked a smart question to define the terms of said question.

    Personally, I think it makes her more impressive that she refuses to blindly walk into traps set up by the the MSM.

  83. I explained to him when offered the job, she asked what the job would entail, something any smart job candidate asks up front.

    Of course, the job description changes with every administration. The only constant is that the VP does what the POTUS tells them to do.

  84. As usual, Treacher pegs it perfectly in his preview of Gibson/Palin Part Deux:

    Gibson: What do you think of the Constitution?
    Palin: …Could you be more specific?
    Gibson: [stares over glasses]
    Kos: OMG SHE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT THE CONSTITUTION IS!!!!

  85. “…she asked what the job would entail…”

    Actually, there was more to it than that. She knows what the job entails in its general parameters, so she was making a joke of the suggestion, playing on the contrast with her current job, in which she has a great deal of power for decision making that can improve the lives of the people of Alaska (line item veto, people!), with the largely ceremonial and certainly subordinate position of Vice-President.

  86. Had to write ABC news a second time. May have to bookmark the site at this rate.

    email—

    Well that was really cute.

    Cutting out the “exact words” and Gov. Palin’s objection to the quote not being her “exact words”.

    Doing an actual reporting job is certainly, in your Messiah’s words, “above your pay grade”

  87. Her answer wasn’t awesome. It wasn’t reverse-hotseat enough.

    “Do you mean ‘Bush Doctrine’ as the term is used by Foreign Policy, The New York Times, or by the President? Because in the press, it means three different things, at least, and the President doesn’t shorthand any of his own policies with such self-aggrandizing terms. I know what those policies are; ask me about those.” Something like that.

    It’s not like Gibson was going to come back with “Cheney said it one time!” Or maybe he would, and look like a bitch. And the responses to that are obvious.

    The thing is, Gibson didn’t know which thing he him-own-damn-self meant by “Bush Doctrine.” His “No.” was weird. He didn’t want to have to pick something, make sense, ask a question. (Few of his questions were questions.)

    She did make him pick something, but she did it innocently. That looks like dumbness, to the dumbness-seeking. He wasn’t wrongfooted enough to get all ape-ragey. But he was on the brink the whole time. Gotta push.

    CONFUSED GOON SCREAMS AT SHORT LADY is a useful story. LADY SEEMS CONFUSED BY GOON is not.

  88. BB:

    The subject here is integrity and caution on the part of those who would report the news. My point is that integrity and caution are the sorts of things you fellows demand from your adversaries but not from your allies.

    “Ooh, he’s a clever little boy – he’s a clever little boy. (gets out a rattle) Do you like your rattle? Do you like your rattle? Look at his little eyes following it … look at his iggy piggy piggy little eyeballs eh… oo… he’s got a tubby tum-tum. Oh, he’s got a tubby tum-tum.”

    That’s how adversarial systems work. When you move out of your mother’s spare bedroom, you’ll discover this and so much more!

  89. Breaking headlines on Huffpoo – In order:

    PALIN LINKS IRAQ TO SEPTEMBER 11
    A View Even the Current Administration Has Rejected …”

    Palin Talks about Invading Russia …
    US-Russia War Over Georgia May Be Necessary …
    Doesn’t Know What Bush Doctrine Is …

    632 comments. Do I dare?

    Perhaps I’ll just eat a peach instead. They’re in season, after all.

  90. Palin is what she is, and she will reveal herself as more and more of the press push her qualifications. The press are more alarmed at her lack of ability than the rest of us, and they will take her down for themselves.

    The press will “take down” Palin. The press: DOING THE JOB THE VOTERS ARE INCAPABLE OF.

    THANK GOD, we have the press to save us from ourselves.

  91. Well, no surprise there about the HuFFPo, Carin, that’s exactly the way it is supposed to work and Kornblut (is corn-blood whiskey?) is collecting her little goebbel’s jig of joy on success.

  92. - Gallup for today – McCain 48 / Obama 44.

    - Time for Camp Obamasmurfs to go to plan “C” – Change back to changiness.

  93. BBH by Obamacampsmurgs do you mean the press or his campaign staff?

  94. Was the AP-jamill-mosque ever found?

    Tony LaVanway
    South Haven,MI

  95. @Salt Lick in re: #67:

    I imagine it largely similar to that South Park episode where Stan’s father says a naughty word on Wheel Of Fortune and has to “apologize” to Jesse Jackson, with Bill in the place of Jesse and Obama in the place of Randy Marsh.

    “Kith it.” Heh.

  96. I also note in the same speech she alluded to her comments as Lincoln-esque, she thought they should also pray for her pipeline. Not that that bothers you folks, but it does add a little fun to “She is totally a reason to vote for McCain” from all the fanboys here.

    Sarah: “I think God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built. So pray for that,” Palin said at the time.

    It’s even on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_VduCWhzM&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/11/palin-falsely-claimed-she_n_125802.html

    Now, I would assume, the host of this site is too busy to parse all the words she said into some libertarian dream, so maybe he can farm it out to his assistant, pablo? While stewing over it, pablo, could you determine when God decided he cared about gas lines?

    I love how crazy you people are for a VP candidate. Your crush is cute

  97. Was the AP-jamill-mosque ever found?

    Yes. Michelle Malkin and Bryan Preston found it. Still Standing

  98. I thought the praying-for-the-pipeline bit was bizarre, Learnedhand. The praying for the troops, though, was just fine.

    Completely dishonest parsing by Gibson notwithstanding.

  99. God has always loved gas, learnedhand. He even filled you with it.

  100. @86 Sdfer with the largely ceremonial and certainly subordinate position of Vice-President.

    I would contend that following the last two administrations, you have seen a growing responsibility and input from the Veep. Especially as the Senate has been so closely divided. I do not think an O! administration would find much use for Biden, he would try to keep him at arms length lest he owe the machine anymore than he already does.

    McCain might continue the “newer” trend.

  101. Why is McCain such a limp-brained doofus as to concede that “community organizer” is a noble pursuit in his remarks at the “Service” sitz-bath last night?

    oh. Could be the same reason he concedes that Global Warming is a man-made disaster? Or that ANWR is a “pristine” wilderness into which no industry may trespass? Or that “Big Oil” is a vicious cabal utterly opposed to the interests of the people of the USA? Or that “Big Pharma” is one awful giant rip-off creation of insidious political lobbyists? Or that allying with Democrats in the gang of fourteen in order to stop the dangerous “nuclear option maneuver” cooked up under Bill Frist was just the thing to get Pres Bushes’ judicial appointments back on track to mere consideration and up or down votes?

    Could be.

  102. The quality of trolls on this site has really declined. They pop in drop their insults and talk down to Jeff. Never a shred of reasoned argument. Yawn. I think they are afraid for a good debate.

    Is this what the left has come to? “Vote for Obama because you are all stupid if you don’t! So there!”

  103. Just another example of PMS (Palin Madness Syndrome)

  104. @89 Psycho… The thing is, Gibson didn’t know which thing he him-own-damn-self meant by “Bush Doctrine.”

    Gibson had two answers ready. He was trying to pin her “on the horns of a dilemma.” Whatever answer she might have given he was ready to counter and perry with an accusation. Always remember, in these interviews, the reporter has pages of notes and prepared statements disguised as questions. As someone else noted, Gibson asked few questions. Couric did that all the time and it drove me NUTS! All her “questions” are a statement with a yes/ no affirmation tagged on the end. “Isn’t that right?”

  105. Sure Rich, I don’t disagree with you, save for stressing the caveat (you included) that the final decision (with regard to everything, but in particular to the duties of the V.P.) is up to the Pres.

    An addendum to the screed at 103 (how could I have left it out? heck if I know), maybe McCain brushes off community organizing in the same spirit he brushes off the first amendment violations inherent in McCain-Feingold, while restricting communication of political thought through bans he believes will “improve” the standing of politicians in the minds of the voters. Genius!

  106. OT:
    “No more for me until tomorrow. B/W Sherlock Holmes movie and Guinness to follow.”

    I take it you are watching the Basil Rathbone ones. Have you ever considered or watched the BBC ones with Jeremy Brett? Those are the favorites around my home.

  107. @103 Sdferr Why is McCain such a limp-brained doofus as to concede that “community organizer” is a noble pursuit

    Because it is a gracious statement. But he did day “pursuit” and did not equate it to a equality of experience. There are many who are in pursuit of Bigfoot, Atlantis, or Jamil Hussein.

  108. - Its amusing to watch. The O! people are desperate to get back on message, but McCains camp keeps dangling juicy Palin bait out there and they keep taking it and kicking themselves in the ass.

    - McCains latest ad basixally says “what does Obama have against women? Mothers? Mothers of children?”, then goes on to site all his sexist xomments during the campaign.

    - Since Palins addition to the ticket, donations to the McCain campaign have gone up 10 fold.

    - In the mean time, Biden says Hillery should have been picked instead of him.

  109. I am shocked, Shocked!, that a respected paragon of the MSM would flush part of an interview down the memory hole; especially after they had aired the erroneous piece already. The damage being done, the nutroots are free to put up their vid-captures of the TIVO’d broadcast all over the net as evidence of her being both unqualified and a wacko, fudie, nutcase, zealot, member of the religious far right

    Hmmmmm…I wonder why Obama’s lack of foreign affairs cred and his membership to a controversial fringe group of Christianity hasn’t excited the same concerns..?

    OH, that’s right, he’s the Democratic, candidate and a Lightworker; ’nuff said!

    Although Gibson did ask O! some questions that made him uncomfortable during the debate with Hillz in Philly, it’s just another example of TEH HYPOCRISY !

    Here’s hoping that Gibson professorial and condescending demeanor rankle a few more PUMA’s…

  110. Just for the record, I said pursuit. My usage is a shorthand for my memory of what I saw him say. I have not gone back to the videotape or transcript. Net-net, I’d prefer truthful to gracious, though gracious is nice.

  111. Sdferr, my memory is very close to yours, having heard the quote at least 3 times this morning on NPR. I had the same conclusion I posted earlier then too.

  112. The mainstream media spends 8 years painting McCain as a maverick fighting Bush for the side of good, until he gets the nomination. Then they’ve spent this whole cycle setting up a McBush strawman, which we’re to swallow entirely. So much so that Sarah is actually expected to defend the Bush Doctrine.

  113. Why do the trolls on this thread refuse to actually even address what Jeff wrote about? If they want to bash Palin as a religious nutcase I am sure there is 20000 diaries on Kos where they can actually stay on topic.

  114. Oceana

  115. So, to Andrew Sullivan and the rest of the perpetually outraged who keep breathlessly asking why Palin is “ducking” the press, here are a pair of obvious object lessons.

    At the LAT too all of the columnist-drones in the hive-mind have been pointing and yelling, “See! See! The Right is circling the wagons around Palin! That must mean that she isn’t ready for prime time!” Of course, nowhere in the LAT has there been any mention of the actual Leftwing lunatic blogswarm that actually provoked us to circle the wagons, so the newspaper’s readers are left with the impression that the only possible reason for the defensiveness is insecurity about Palin’s readyness.

    As this awesome essay makes clear, the MSM’s “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” attitude towards the ugliness coming from the Leftwing blogosphere amounts to a lie by ommission perpetuated on their audience, especially when they want to call attention to the rightwing reaction without this context, and ascribe that reaction to different motives.

  116. Jesus was a community oganizer, Pontius Pilate was a Governor has been a frequent meme the last five days or so.

    How can McCain concede this odious comparison without comment? Or is it simply that it is so odious, no comment is necessary?

  117. Should not matter. The left (much)does not believe in Jesus. I thought McCain did a great job deflecting the question and still look good/neutral.

  118. Off to lunch with the Whiff. Damned Ike weather has me grounded a second day.

  119. Sdferr I think it is kind of a pithy quote.

    Perf, I am LOVING your spin on Governor Palin’s performance. It is Teh Awesome.

    You should take a rest though because you might get a tad dizzy from all of that.

  120. Wow who would have thought Lisa would not address what the post is actually about in order to point at Palin. That is so shocking I spit out my Boston Market frozen salsbury steak.

  121. Lisa, do you know what it means? How in the hell was Jesus a community organizer? I have no idea, and I’d really like someone to explain it to me.

    From what I can tell, a community organizer is one who incites and organizes people at a grassroots level to demand changes in or from government. Is that definition off base?

  122. Oh, and as Slartibartfast noted, Brutus was a Senator. Good luck with that.

  123. That is so shocking I spit out my Boston Market frozen salsbury steak.

    Dude, you should spit that out. Last time I had anything from Boston Market it was nasty.

  124. Jesus was, ahem, a few more things than a community organizer. Among other things, he pretty well qualifies as one of those Godbotherers.

    Or, to put it another way, Pilate was an urbane and educated professional. Jesus was a Galileean redneck born in a barn.

  125. Hahah yeah but when it is only 2.50 for the Salisbury steak and Macaroni and cheese combo frozen meal it is hard to complain.

  126. To compare Jesus to a modern day politician is an insult. Not like I attend church or anything but I do believe if you did that in Iran they would chop your head off.

  127. Thing is, Mr. Pink, that unless I misunderstand the term, Jesus was absolutely not a community organizer in any way, shape or form.

  128. I don’t understand the Jesus Pontius thing anyway. Like Susan Sarandon gives two shits about Jesus.

  129. I agree Pablo. I was not intending to give the impression I thought you were implying that. Sorry too much salisbury steak makes my head fuzzy.

  130. I’m looking around for some basis of this, and I found what appears to be the argument for it in the comments of this post at Politico.

    Jesus of Nazareth may have ran for office if he had remained alive. Who are you to assume otherwise. Temple officials were actually voted in by officials that were voted in by the community!!!
    Plus, the issue is irrelevant to the simple fact that he was indeed a community organizer.
    I seriously doubt Jesus would have agreed with anything Palin has to say!!!
    Read your scripture… Compassion and Freedom of choice were big points in Christ’s list.

    Oh yes, I remember Jesus’ “If it feels good, do it!” sermon.

  131. Oh, and as Slartibartfast noted, Brutus was a Senator.

    Also Caligula, Nero, Thurmond, and Palpatine.

    And Robert C. “Grand Kleagle” Byrd, D-W.Va.

    Oh, right, that last one still is a Senator, isn’t he?

  132. Yea, Jesus would have definitely been down with women aborting babies. That was a big point on his list.

  133. I think it’s somewhere in Matthew, right? Or perhaps St Paul spelled it out in one of those crazy letters he used to write.

  134. HA – another comment from that politico post:

    Lenin was also a community organizer!

    I’m gonna use that. Pretend I made it up.

  135. “Yea, Jesus would have definitely been down with women aborting babies. That was a big point on his list.”

    You did hear Joseph and Mary waited until they got the results of the sonogram to determine Jesus didn’t have Downs to decide to have him didn’t you?

  136. Jesus hated when old ladies wore sleeveless gowns to award ceremonies with jiggling arm fat all over the place. That’s in Matthew I think.

  137. It’s even made it to the House floor. Still no basis for it.

    This looks to be the birth of the notion. It’s all afterbirth, no baby. These people are dumb, and if this is supposed to sway Christians, they’re going to find that they don’t know jack shit about Jesus and that Christians don’t like people pretending that they do.

  138. I think it’s somewhere in Matthew, right? Or perhaps St Paul spelled it out in one of those crazy letters he used to write.

    Have you checked St. Andrew of Heart-Ache?

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  140. I remember when I used to bookmark or save news articles with egregious bias in them. It seems like a very quixotic thing to do now.

  141. Well, happyfeet, you know those terabyte hard drives are pretty cheap now.

  142. No one has that much time on their hands anymore.

  143. I do not think you can consider it bias anymore happy it is more like advocacy.

  144. “Jesus of Nazareth may have ran for office if he had remained alive.”

    And he could have remained alive, had he wanted. He didn’t. It would thus not appear as though running for office was high on his agenda.

    “Who are you to assume otherwise. Temple officials were actually voted in by officials that were voted in by the community!!!”

    These are the same temple officials who wanted to stone people for committing adultery or blasphemy. You know, Godbotherers.

    “Plus, the issue is irrelevant to the simple fact that he was indeed a community organizer.”

    He was that, it is true (among other things). It is so true that the “community” he “organized” is with us today. We have reasonably contemporary accounts of his community organizing days, and what exactly he hoped to acccomplish, and indeed did accomplish.

    The new Messiah, on the other hand…

    “I seriously doubt Jesus would have agreed with anything Palin has to say!!!”

    Odd thing, though, Jesus wasn’t much for political partisanship when he was around here. The politicians of the day kept trying to draw him into their reindeer games, and he kept not jumping at the bait. I feel confident he would do the same today.

    “Read your scripture… Compassion and Freedom of choice were big points in Christ’s list.”

    The first yes, though its a hard kind of compassion. The second, well, if you mean Christ recognizes that we have the freedom to choose between good and evil, then yes, he mentions it. If you mean that all choices were equally good from his point of view, then…yeaaaahhhhh…I’m gonna need you to show your work….

  145. *Why is McCain such a limp-brained doofus as to concede that “community organizer” is a noble pursuit in his remarks at the “Service” sitz-bath last night?*

    I read that wanted to puke today =x Community organizers = liberal race hustlers.

  146. Jesus wasn’t much for political partisanship when he was around here

    15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.

    16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.

    17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

    18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?

    19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

    20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

    21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

    22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

  147. What’s great about this, is for all this “community organizer” stuff we hear … how come we so rarely hear about what the hell he was organizing?

  148. You’re right – the TB hard drives are actually way cheaper than the under 100GB drives now – it’s weird – I wanted a little scratch drive for my new system – New Egg had dropped the 40GB thinger they had when I did my spec earlier this year, so I had to go with a 70GB one … $175 vs. less than $250 for the TB ones. The rpms are how they do that but that wasn’t really a factor for me except for the velociraptor whatever one I got for my boot drive. Also Baracky is a pansy.

  149. Jesus might have organized the community to press for better Latin education.

  150. It seems never to have occurred to Sen. B. Obama to start a business and employ out-of-work steelworkers in Chicago. Or even help them start their own businesses.

    I look at Byron York’s description of Altgeld Gardens “[...] And isolated, too: Then, as now, there were no stores, or restaurants, or much of anything in easy walking distance of Altgeld. You can’t take a train, because there are none around. And you can forget about a taxi. The best way to get around is the bus, which makes regular runs through the complex. Still, the sense of isolation is considerable. [...]” and the first thing I think is “hey, they need a local services” but does Obama? Apparently not.

  151. Have we ever evaluated whether he was very good at this organizing stuff?

    I believe they synopsis was … not so much.

  152. A lib whining about Malkins “irresponsible attacks” is just too precious.

  153. I don’t know Carin but it strikes me that he did about as well as could be expected given the premises of the objective under the circumstances of the place he set out to perform.

    Perhaps we might fault his choices on a strategic level but I wouldn’t fault his tactical choices with what little I know about the facts. None of that means he achieved anything important to achieve. Most of the initial projects seem to have been largely abandoned today.

  154. I believe they synopsis was … not so much.

    I think Obama would agree with that and that’s why he decided to go into politics.

  155. He sucked at it and he hooked up with a lot of nasty friends doing it. They aren’t the friends he knew, though.

  156. Happyfeet almost always makes me laugh.

  157. Oh yeah, Jeffy, like your pathetic wingnut cheer squad even knows what a Palimpsest is…

  158. I always thought it was Gore Vidal’s most tedious and self-congratulatory book.

    Granted, it was a memoir, but still…

  159. Palimpsest. If only there was some easy-to-use way to find things on the intertubes….

    OT to the original post, but interesting: http://www.archimedespalimpsest.org/index.html The Smithsonian magazine had an article about it a while back.

  160. - I think the Dimbulbs have their gender identity, with the emphasis on tity, all screwed up.

    - If they want to make biblical analogies, start with Sarah, which means “princess”, and what you have is Mary, not Pilot.

    - So Palin as Mary, and Obama, well maybe its an Egyptian Nubian thing. Who knows.

  161. - All I know is, that every time the Left assholes try to play this game, we end up back at Blazing Saddles.

  162. “Let me whip this out…”

  163. I know denounced etc.

    But any movie with my all time favorite Detroit Lion is fine and this one is the best.

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  166. There are actully whole organizations of Community Organizers, even right there in Jesus old neighborhood. HAMAS and Hizbollah spring to mind and Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Muslim Brotherhood right next door. The latter two are where Dr. al Zawahiri got started.

  167. Matthew 7:12 where it says that you hould treat others as you would like them to treat you, that being the law of the prophets and all that shit has a buried exception for liberals. And really, who cares about treating people nice anyway – it is much more fun to get pissed off and offended in the name of Jesus right? Squee!

  168. “we end up back at Blazing Saddles.”

    Careful, men! he’s not bluffing!

  169. Not that I believe in religious stuff. But philosophically, the sermon on the mount is pretty damned cool.

  170. Not that I believe in religious stuff.

    Of course you do. Maybe not any one formal religion, but all Humans, by fact of being human are religious.

  171. Jeff,

    I went to other sites after you took a long hiatus and left us with Dan. His stuff was usually fun enough to read, but not really comment worthy.
    I do remember you showing up to write a few things on old school catch wrestling smear campaigns, but I wasn’t drawn into commenting about the debate… go figure.
    When you are engaged and posting, you are one of the best. When you drift off into funkaphobia and get a case of the fuckits… you’ll lose readers to other sites.
    I’m starting to warm back up to your site again because you have been on fire lately. I don’t know how many more “fuck it I am outta here’s” I’ll weather.
    Hope this doesn’t offend you, but is accepted as tough counsel.

  172. RTO, look up the yaghan (yamana) people of tierra del fuego. Human. Not religious.

  173. Gulldurn librull terrierist ko-mmunity organizers. What the hell kinda sheeit is that? Sounds like some commie got-damn shit to me.

  174. Palin ties 9-11 to Iraq:
    Even the dimmest bulb can see that the events on 9-11 influenced Bush’s decision to go to war in Iraq.
    If there were no attacks on 9-11 it is likely Saddam would still be in power.
    In other words, that “dot” is connected now by virtue of the GWOT that was given huge momentum by 9-11.

    On Powerline…. (I know, I know…. not Ace, so I got that going for me)
    A guy wrote in and said Gibson needs a lesson on the subjunctive mood. Jeff… you know way more about this than me, but it does seem to me that the left misunderstand prayers said in the language of the subjunctive mood.
    Palin hopes some things are God’s will… she asks that the big decisions we are about to make would be made within God’s will.

    She asks that the decisions we have already made are God’s will as well in a language that seems like it is asking God to move the slackers along if that is in fact the case.

    Pailin also seems to do what everyone does who prays and says the equivalent of “oh God I hope we got that decision we asked you for guidance on right and if not, then help us get out of it intact”

    I’ve heard a lot of prayers in my day, and Palins language seems pretty normal for petitioning a Diety that doesn’t answer in booming present voice.

  175. “Who am I,” and “Why am I here,” and “How the heck did I get here,” and “Where is here, anyway,” would seem to me to be universal questions humans ask themselves. Faith creeps in with the answers.

  176. Sdferr,

    I found this: In the Yamana society we can notice an extreme social dispersion, because the group was formed by a few isolated families. They did not have chiefs, but old people and sorcerers had a great influence on them.

    They believed in a Supreme Being, WATAUINEWA, the Old, creator of everything known, as well as in numerous gods and spirits.

    Rites of initiation for boys and girls were of fundamental importance. They were sacred, compulsory and only accessible to members of the tribe. It consisted of training and a severe education for the young and it was immensely enjoyed by the adults. During this celebration, the young acquired the same rights as the adults, such as getting married and forming a new family. It was very important for the survival of the social order.

    Later, boys recieved special training on the spiritual and imaginative heritage of the tribe. It was obtained through the KINA, a secret ceremony where women were reminded of men’s superiority. They used disguise and dramatization of their myths and beliefs. It was similar to the ceremony of the Hain performed by the Onas or Selk’nam in Tierra del Fuego.

    So it appears that they even meet the popular understanding of “religion.”

  177. Lisa, when you are recruited into Commuity Organization by an Alinski group, then yes, it is “commie got-damn shit.”

    My point, which was lost, however, was that the term “community organizer” is so braod and amorphous it can be applied to Jesus and HAMAS all at the same time.

    He wants me to give him credit (or if you want me to give him credit) for some kind of achievement, he’s going to have to come across with some details.

  178. I don’t think any use of the word “god” or “gods” will work with them as they had no such words or concepts, RTO.

  179. Too true RTO, however, the statement that Jesus was a community organizer and Pilate was a governor was meant to be a flip response to Governor Palin’s flip remarks about community organizing.

    Sigh, I guess the ghost of Saul Alinsky is the new George Soros, who was the new Michael Moore who was the new Noam Chomsky and on and on with the “zomg-evil-commie-terror-lover-oh-jesus-i-hate-that-bastard!!!1!!” of the day.

    Today’s evil influence on RADICAL NEEGRAHS! Stay tuned: Tomorrow’s Terrifying Obama Mentor: (!!!1@!!)

  180. Reading Allah, or Ezra Klein, or any of a few dozen others, what is most interesting is how they all talk about Sarah Palin as if they are so much smarter and capable of responding appropriately under pressure than she is. They sit back with the benefit of hindsight and a stop/start/replay button and deconstruct her utterances with all the joy and life of Stanley Fish criticizing medieval poetry.

    Theodore Roosevelt nailed it best: “It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man woman stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man woman who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself herself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he she fails, at least he she fails while daring greatly, so that his her place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”

    Like, say, Roger Ebert.

  181. Nope. I just have no concept of god sdferr. I manage to be pretty nice to people, not steal, cheat, lie, fuck someone’s spouse, or kill anyone without threat of everlasting hellfire. I even do kind things for people I don’t even know and turn in lost wallets without stealing any of the money out of them!! It must be the Baby Jesus carrying me through the sandy beaches of life!

  182. And if Jeff is reading this, what was meant by Jean-Jacques Annaud when he said his film “The Name of the Rose” was a palimpsest of Umberto Eco’s novel of the same name?

  183. Lisa, just to be clear (because your last comment mentioned me and I am confused as to why) my comment at 180 had nothing, repeat, nothing to do with you, but was meant for RTO’s 178, which disputes, on the strength of a cursory web search to claim the yaghan were religious. I don’t believe they were.

  184. Oops! Sorry Sdferr! I never claimed I wasn’t an idiot. I thought you were talkin about godless people in general.

    Can I just claim I knew what you were talking about and pretend to be a snarky-assed Yaghani person?

  185. - charles – It means he did the flic but admitted he changed a few things.

    - One of the definitions of “Palimpest”. To erase, and rewrite, or modify a parchment or manuscript.

    - There are others having to do with a place, time, or thing referring to histoey.

  186. I’m still wondering how Jesus was a community organizer. I don’t recall him organizing anyone to do anything other than preach, and he really wasn’t interested in government or politics. He was more of a worship/eternal salvation guy.

  187. “Can I just claim I knew what you were talking about and pretend to be a snarky-assed Yaghani person?”

    Oh hell yes baby, (‘cept they’re actually extinct, the last one having died around 1989, but) since I lurvs ya sa’much, anytink you wanna.

  188. “Hey, here’s some healing and BTW don’t tell no one you saw me” isn’t the best tactic for organizing people. Unless he was, like, really devious or something.

  189. Jesus approached a bunch of fishermen whom immediately misunderstood the reason for this gesture and jumped to form a collective. Getting into the spirit of the thing, the fishermen spent most of their time walking around the desert talking about stuff and not much time fishing all the while living off the donations of the working public.
    When disputes rose up among them, they called their mommy to lobby for them.

  190. Nope. I just have no concept of god sdferr. I manage to be pretty nice to people, not steal, cheat, lie, fuck someone’s spouse, or kill anyone without threat of everlasting hellfire. I even do kind things for people I don’t even know and turn in lost wallets without stealing any of the money out of them!! It must be the Baby Jesus carrying me through the sandy beaches of life!

    OK, I’ll bite. Why do you act that way? What’s in it for you? If there’s no afterlife, then why not take the money from the wallet?

  191. BBH, yeah I understand, but it’s not like he reused the celluloid.

  192. Conception of god or God, as such, is not necessary to be religious, though thre is something that will take that place for every individual. The Seneschal-Smith working defintion of Religion is “The persuit of that which a person believes will make them happy.” No “god,” no ritual, no supernatural required.

  193. Fine RTO. You got me.

  194. Extinct?! Dammit! I lurvs u too, Sd.

    Pablo, didn’t he do some kind of commie-ish activism in the manner of handing out free loaves and fishes to a huge crapload of hungry and brokeassed mofos (why didn’t those lazy shiftless bitches just get jobs)? Besides, community organizing is a broad term, as RTO pointed out. Obama, in his bio, described something that sounded like he was part social worker and part advocate. But then there is that big “movement” community organizing like Martin Luther King, Jr. and Caesar Chavez. So I suppose Jesus building a grassroots movement for a new kind of spirituality/religion could be described as a pretty radical bit of community organizing.

    Groovy man.

  195. Mark, because it is not mine.

  196. RTO is correct that individuals are hardwired to be part of something greater than themselves. I LIKE being a part of the human community, so I generally don’t do shit to hurt other humans in said community – doing the right thing and even going out of my way to make someone a bit happier is the “spiritual” thing that makes me feel happy and connected to the greater whole.

    Now that was really groovy.

  197. “big “movement” community organizing like Martin Luther King, Jr”

    False. MLK was a Pastor. That’s an occupation. Tending the flock goes with it, even if, like MLK, one were also a registered Republican.

  198. So I suppose Jesus building a grassroots movement for a new kind of spirituality/religion could be described as a pretty radical bit of community organizing.

    Except that would have been more Paul that did the grassroots movement building. Jesus mostly just preached.

  199. I would love it if someone could prove Obama’s community organizer days were something more than a Get-Out-The-Vote scheme for Democrats in Chicago but I doubt that will happen.

  200. I would love it if someone could prove Obama’s community organizer days were something more than a Get-Out-The-Vote scheme for Democrats in Chicago but I doubt that will happen.

    I saw some info on it, I will see if I can find the links. It was mostly coaching folks in a couple of housing projects how to game the system, he would tell them what to do, then stay in the shadows so it looked like they were self-motivated. Basically astroturfing for more entitlements.

  201. Pink, read this, this and this.

  202. I saw some info on it, I will see if I can find the links. It was mostly coaching folks in a couple of housing projects how to game the system, he would tell them what to do, then stay in the shadows so it looked like they were self-motivated. Basically astroturfing for more entitlements.

    Maybe I am a total idiot but wouldn’t it have been better to help them get a fuckin job?

  203. Thanks for the links.

  204. Maybe I am a total idiot but wouldn’t it have been better to help them get a fuckin job?

    Not if you want to keep them dependent on you. D’uh!

  205. ““an abrasive agent to rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; to fan latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expressions.” Once such hostilities were “whipped up to a fighting pitch,”

    W
    Well to quote your link having a job would kinda put a damper on whipping up hostilities and fanning latent hostilities.

  206. That loaves and fishes think was a bitchin’ magic trick for people who had come to hear him preach.

    Community organizer was a job he applied for with a specific description. It’s the job he moved to Chicago to take. I think the description I offered upthread is accurate, though I’m willing to hear otherwise.

    Jesus never did anything of the sort.

  207. It’s kinda sad to read conservative blogs since the Palin nomination. It’s obvious to anybody with a few more brain cells than Terri Schiavo had in her final days that Palin doesn’t belong on a major party ticket in any capacity. To spell it out, she’s not smart enough to spend any more time in the White House than the typical tour group member. She may very well be a nice person (although Trooper Wooten would argue that point), a great mother, and a fine moose hunter. But Vice-President the of the United States? You gotta be kidding.

    I shouldn’t have to spell this out, but Palin embarrassed herself in the interview by displaying ignorance of foreign and domestic policy, an excessive reliance on stock phrases, inability to give pertinent answers, and a lack of honesty. She disgraced herself, her party, and her running mate by exposing her complete lack of credentials for high office. The conservative response, outside of foreign policy circles, is to blame her colossal meltdown on the interviewer. Reading all these criticisms of Charlie Gibson, I think it’s helpful to preface them with the words “Sarah Palin disgraced herself on national TV because…” like this:

    “Sarah Palin disgraced herself on national TV because…Charlie Gibson was mean to her.”

    “Sarah Palin disgraced herself on national TV because…Charlie Gibson was arrogant and condescending.”

    “Sarah Palin disgraced herself on national TV because…the pointy-headed elites think they’re better than common moose-hunters.”

    “Sarah Palin disgraced herself on national TV because…Charlie Gibson quoted her rambling and largely incoherent remarks about a mission from God without three sentences worth of lead-in.”

    “Sarah Palin disgraced herself on national TV because…nobody cares that she never heard of a Bush Doctrine, she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere.”

    That should help the commentary make sense.

    She’ll do no better in the upcoming Sean Hannity interview, of course.

    Jeff, I know you don’t like liberals, and I know why. I don’t like them either. But there are lines that we shouldn’t cross in American politics, and one of them surrounds abject morons on the national ticket. Liberal, conservative, pomo, neocon, whatever, none of us should support a cause the puts ignorant, redneck retards a heartbeat away from the launch codes. It’s un-American to put party before country.

  208. Pink and anyone who cares to read it, here’s an expose of Obama’s low-income housing dealings, events that took place years after he abandoned “community organizing” per se. This details the early and middle “political years” so to speak.

  209. Disgraced.

    As in: if you had some grace, maybe you’d have a little to lose?

  210. Strange, I was completely unaware that there are “credential” requirements constituting qualification to serve as Vice-President of the United States. Does anyone know where I can find a detailed list of these credentials?

  211. Had I written that, Mr. Richard Bennett, I bet I’d be proud of myself.

    Right up to the point when I compared the Palin interview to the YouTube clip of the “US American people” beauty queen.

  212. It’s obvious to anybody with a few more brain cells than Terri Schiavo had in her final days that Palin doesn’t belong on a major party ticket in any capacity.

    Soooo, you think 80% of Alaskans are morons?

    Excuse me if I don’t take anything you have to say after that worth reading.

  213. She may very well be a nice person (although Trooper Wooten would argue that point),

    I really don’t give a fuck what some meathead cop who drinks on duty and tasers children for kicks thinks. Or pompous assholes who do.

  214. In serious reply to your points, she most likely didn’t know shit about being governor of Alaska before she got the job, but she seemed to pick up on it pretty quick. And just how much stock are you seriously going to put in the foreign policy positions of someone who has no national security clearance and has never sat in on any NSA or Defense Department briefings? Of course she doesn’t know what is going on, and she won’t until McCain gets elected and she gets to here what is really going on in the world.

  215. She’s every bit as experienced as Baracky. There’s just no way around that, Plus also she’s a nice person.

  216. Richard I find it hard to take someone seriously when he writes articles with the headline “Sarah Palin, Abuser of Children”.

    P

  217. Baracky has experience with theoretical marxism from his church which a lot dwarfs Governor Palin’s experience with marxism, real or applied. Baracky also wants to make everyone join a union or a corps. I bet Governor Palin can’t even apprehend the logic of that.

  218. Here is another gem of a lie from Richards shitty little website.

    She’s supposed to do an interview with Charlie Gibson tomorrow, but there are apparently all kinds of off-limits topics, like the pregnant daughter. That’s an interesting topic alongside Palin’s cutting back the funding for a teen mother’s center in Alaska, of course. And I take it there are similar issues around funding for special-needs babies as well. And I’d love to know why she left a church where people speak in tongues while trying to get elected governor, and why she lost her first attempt to win statewide office as Lt. Governor.”

  219. RTO, MLK is well known as one of the greatest community organizers ever. But since you are so determined to belittle the term then that is fine. We will agree to disagree. ;-)

    As to a couple of other posts I have seen by others:

    I love all of the roads leading back to “some lazy shiftless motherfucker teaching other lazy shiftless motherfuckers how to game the system” LMAO! You just can’t help it can you? Heh. At least you restrain yourselves most of the time.

  220. There’s an interview out there with Wooten and he’s quite complimentary of her. Says she’s a good pick and it’s good for Alaska.

  221. Looks to me like Galveston is way mega screwed.

  222. RTO, MLK is well known as one of the greatest community organizers ever.

    MLK has a rather more impressive record of accomplishments than O!, Lisa.

    From the links that others have posted, O! seems to have:

    1) Acquired a job placement center for the neighborhood (but no actual jobs).
    2) “Raised awareness” of asbestos at a housing project, which, to this day, still contains asbestos.

    Please tell us if there’s anything else.

  223. Charles Krauthammer’s friday column ripped Charlie Gibson’s “Bush Doctrine” thesis to tiny little shreds. He doesn’t defend Palin’s take either, but then Dr. Krauthammer wasn’t a Palin fan at the get-go. He does aver that she, at least, in contrast to Gibson, didn’t pretend to know what she does not.

    I wonder, if in the longer run of events Palin proves herself a worthy and competent servant to the American people, whether Dr. K will step up and admit he was wrong? We’ll have to wait to see.

  224. This defense of Palin’s Bush doctrine ignorance would be a lot more convincing if she had actually described the Bush doctrine in any respect instead of retreating to scripted platitudes. Since Gibson was describing it incompletely, she could have described it more fully and then discussed it, but alas, we just got a bunch of talking points we’ve heard a million times. She has yet to indicate that she’s thought seriously about, well, anything. Maybe it’s Steve Schmidt’s fault or maybe she’s just a lightweight.

  225. “…She has yet to indicate that she’s thought seriously about, well, anything. …”

    You’re not stretching just a little here for (negative) effect, are you? I mean, what have you thought seriously about, pray tell?

  226. I love all of the roads leading back to “some lazy shiftless motherfucker teaching other lazy shiftless motherfuckers how to game the system” LMAO! You just can’t help it can you?

    Actually I see it more as an ambitious young go-getter teaching lazy shiftless motherfuckers how to game the system in return for their votes. And no, I haven’t found any way much to help the situation, other than stop voting for Democrats.

  227. There’s an interview out there with Wooten and he’s quite complimentary of her. Says she’s a good pick and it’s good for Alaska.

    Wooten? Best bass player that ever lived.

  228. Did someone say that, Lisa? I was referring to what I understand the job was and who hired him based on the facts as reported by Byron York in his NR piece. Again, I’m willing to listen to rebuttal. And I suppose you could frame as you did, if you wanted to but I don’t recall seeing anyone doing that here.

    I just want to know how that term applies to Jesus because all of these prominent people are telling me it does.

    Maybe Richard Barrett knows.

  229. Smedley for VP! Seriously, so far she is basically Huckabee but more screechy and less funny. That’s why serious conservatives don’t have the hard-on for her that is so prevalent in 99% of the conservative world. If this was 8 months ago and she was running in the primary she’d largely be mocked at sites like this, but the election is close at hand and so the wagons must be circled.

  230. “Who am I,” and “Why am I here,” and “How the heck did I get here,” and “Where is here, anyway,” would seem to me to be universal questions humans ask themselves.

    Usually on Saturday morning. About 9:00.

  231. RTO, MLK is well known as one of the greatest community organizers ever. But since you are so determined to belittle the term then that is fine. We will agree to disagree. ;-)

    Lisa would you be defending Sarah Palin if she referred to community organizing experience as a qualifier to be president?

  232. Smedley, does that 1 percent of serious conservatives include Pat Buchanan?

    Seriously, I love this neophyte argument coming from President Obamatrons. Deeelish!

  233. I don’t know about Pat Buchanan. Also, the argument isn’t about inexperience. It’s about ignorance and shallow thinking. Sorry that went over your head. Guess it was too deeeelish!

  234. ” If this was 8 months ago and she was running in the primary she’d largely be mocked at sites like this, but the election is close at hand and so the wagons must be circled.”

    You could argue that until you saw her in a debate, which has not yet happened. I do agree that with your opinion though that the enthusiasm seems largely out of perportion with her prior experience, but WTF the other side nominated O! the incredible community organizer.

  235. Also, the argument isn’t about inexperience. It’s about ignorance and shallow thinking.

    You can deduce this from one interview? Dude do you have your own blog? I want to read your review of the Redskins 2008 season after 1 game.

  236. Not sure why the community organizer thing is relevant. Obama’s community organizing roughly corresponds to Palin’s journalism. The point of comparison vis a vis her mayoral service is his Illinois senate service.

    Upon further reflection, I was a bit unfair to Huckabee. He hasn’t shown Palin’s penchant for saying things that are false.

  237. You gotta go with the data you have. It’s not my fault the McCain camp is afraid to have her do more press.

  238. Do you realize your comparing a presidential candidates experience to a VP’s candidates experience? To quote Obama uh uh uh uh uh uh that uh uh might be uh uh uh unhelpful.

  239. Oh, sorry, I forgot about the Hannity interview. I’ll reserve judgment until after that interview, which is sure to be very hard-hitting.

  240. Tell us the one about Palin abusing children. Please I need a good laugh.

  241. And just how much stock are you seriously going to put in the foreign policy positions of someone who has no national security clearance and has never sat in on any NSA or Defense Department briefings?

    Are you sure of this B moe?

    From what I have heard (sorry, no link), being the governor of Alaska, and comander of the ANG, she is privy to intelligence regarding Russia.

    I could be wrong, but it makes sense to me governors have some sort of NS clearance.

  242. Oh, sorry, I forgot about the Hannity interview. I’ll reserve judgment until after that interview, which is sure to be very hard-hitting.

    Could you honestly ever say you reserved judgement? Seriously I would love a straight yes or no answer to that one.

  243. Actually I’m not comparing experience. I’m comparing intelligence and knowledge. Since you did read my reply to Pablo where I made that clear, I guess you just couldn’t wait to totally demolish me by typing uh uh uh uh.

  244. Smedley, Governor (not Mayor Governor) Palin just saw her son off to Iraq yesterday. I’m guessing she’s done a hell of a lot more thinking about American foreign policy than, say, you.

  245. Jeff, may I have your permission to come out of my box and can call Sarah Palin “stupid?”

  246. Hey, did you guys know that mayors can’t vote ‘present’? True fact. Governors can’t either.

  247. Actually I’m not comparing experience. I’m comparing intelligence and knowledge. Since you did read my reply to Pablo where I made that clear, I guess you just couldn’t wait to totally demolish me by typing uh uh uh uh.

    I typed uh uh uh because you seem to deduce from one interview that Palin is stupid, but O! can say uh uh uh uh ad naseum and he is a freakin genius. What you do not get sarcasm?

  248. You’ve been reading your Wiki, eh Paco.

  249. By the way smedley, how does VP candidate Palins experience as commander of the Alaska National Guard stack up against President candidate Obamas experience making a life and death decisions about…nothing?

  250. Smedley O! agrees with you, therefor to you he is smart. Palin believes in God, is anti-abortion, and is somewhat conservative, hence you think she is stupid. Just admit this and the conversation can move forward to both of us telling eachother to fornicate a swordfish.


  251. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/12 @ 7:13 pm #

    RTO, MLK is well known as one of the greatest community organizers ever.

    MLK has a rather more impressive record of accomplishments than O!, Lisa.

    From the links that others have posted, O! seems to have:

    1) Acquired a job placement center for the neighborhood (but no actual jobs).
    2) “Raised awareness” of asbestos at a housing project, which, to this day, still contains asbestos.

    Please tell us if there’s anything else.

    3) Wrote books that a few people actually read.

  252. I’m not saying she’s stupid. Intelligence was probably the wrong word. She just seems neither knowledgeable about nor interested in anything that happens outside of Alaska.

    You do know that saying uh or um usually indicates a person who’s trying to think while he is speaking right? It’s kind of the opposite of just reciting canned lines.

  253. Willfully uninformed, and stupid on top of that!

  254. Can we assume that most of them had jobs? One can organize in a community of working folk (even the lazy, shiftless one’s who want yer white wimmin).

  255. Willfully uninformed, and stupid on top of that!

    Smedley, thor is introducing himself with a brief resume.

    You two should get along famously, since you have so much in common.

  256. lee, I’ve explained twice now that I’m not talking about experience. Mr. Pink asked precisely the question you asked. It’s kind of rude to just jump in and repeat questions that have already been answered.

    But you seem to be confused about how much authority governors have over their states’ national guard units. I suggest you read up on it a bit so you don’t say dumb things about life and death again.

  257. Spies, brigands and pirates – do you have something to contribute beside insults and a dopey handle?

  258. Can we assume that most of them had jobs?

    According to the ultra-right-wing Huffington Post, the unemployment rate in Altgeld Gardens is 86%.

    So no, most of them don’t have jobs.

  259. Baracky never even went to the South until he had to for political purposes, and he’s half black. He just gets nervous and insecure when he gets out of cities I think. He street like that.

  260. Spies has tomes of inbred condescension written in native Ozark mule-tongue. I’d be lying if I said I didn’t ask for an signed fist [sic] edition.

  261. do you have something to contribute beside insults and a dopey handle?

    Depends. Do you have something to contribute besides warmed-over concern trolling copied and pasted from Daily Kos?

  262. From Newsweek’s story about Palin’s abuse of her sister’s children:

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140/output/print

    ————-
    In monitoring how a joint-custody arrangement worked out, the judge said in his order that he would pay particular attention to problems noted by a “custody investigator,” specifically “the disparagement of the father [Wooten] by the mother [Molly Hackett, Sarah Palin's sister] and her family members.”

    “It is the mother’s [Hackett's] responsibility to set boundaries for her relatives and insure [sic] they respect them, and the disparagement by either parent, or their surrogates is emotional child abuse,” Judge Suddock wrote. He added that: “If the court finds it is necessary due to disparagement in the Mat-Su Valley [the area north of Anchorage where Palin and her extended family live], for the children’s best interests, it [the court] will not hesitate to order custody to the father and a move into Anchorage.” Cyr, the union official, said that to his knowledge, no such move was ever ordered…

    Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by the alleged attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten’s behavior and character. “Disparaging will not be tolerated—it is a form of child abuse,” the judge told a settlement hearing in October 2005, according to typed notes of the proceedings. The judge added: “Relatives cannot disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives.”
    ————-

    This sort of behavior is called “Parental Alienation” and it’s not uncommon in divorce. It’s generally confined to the parents, however, so Palin was over-achieving just a bit in jumping into the heads of her sister’s children in order to mess them up. It has to be pretty egregious for a judge to comment on it.

  263. Hey Smedley I will agree that Gov’s really do not have direct control of National Guard units. They just sign orders. Now explain to me in detail how O! is smarter than Palin, without refering to college grades but actual examples.

  264. Palin is stupid, ignorant, and “wired”. Not a good combination.

  265. Mark, because it is not mine.

    It is now. You found it, after all.

  266. Can we assume that most of them had jobs?

    “On the stump today, Obama often says he helped prevent South Side Chicago blacks, Latinos, and whites from turning on each other after losing their jobs…”

    and…

    “A staple priority of organizers like Obama was the summer-jobs program. In the 1980s the jobs were administered by the Mayor’s Office of Employment and Training, or MET, but the nearest MET office to Altgeld was a long way away — beyond 95th Street — and located in what some felt was enemy territory. “Our children, in order to get those summer-job programs, had to go over to the East Side — Vrdolyak’s territory,” Yvonne Lloyd told me, referring to Edward “Fast Eddie” Vrdolyak, the Chicago alderman who was the champion of white ethnics and a sworn enemy of Harold Washington, the black mayor whose presence had inspired blacks across the city, including Obama.

    “So, if you’re living in Altgeld, you don’t have the bus fare to go way over there, and they were out of their element, and they ended up not getting the jobs.” Why not demand a job center in their neighborhood? In Dreams from My Father, Obama describes visiting MET headquarters and looking at a brochure listing the locations of all branch offices. There was nothing south of 95th Street. “This is it,” he said. “We just found ourselves an issue.”

    Obama then choreographed a drive to demand a new MET office. (The point, remember, was not for him to make the demands but for the leaders to do it for themselves.) They set up a meeting with MET officials, and then Obama drilled the leaders on what they should say. He took them around Roseland looking for a possible site for the new office. They found a shut-down department store at Michigan Avenue and 110th Street, and located the building’s owners. “He did all the legwork for us and brought it back to us,” Lloyd told me, “and we went downtown to the offices of the store and negotiated.” In a climactic meeting at Our Lady of the Gardens — Obama had, once again, carefully rehearsed the leaders on what they should say — MET officials agreed to open the new office. Obama had an accomplishment to point to.

    “Our kids were able to go there, sign up, and get their summer jobs,” Lloyd told me. “It was fantastic to me, I just felt like — oh, it meant so much to us.” They were thrilled beyond words when Harold Washington himself came to the ribbon-cutting for the new office.”

    A shithole not fit for human habitation, but the kids have summer jobs.

  267. Funny you should mention the Ozarks, thor.

    Have you seen this?

    Missouri has picked the winner in every presidential election since 1904, except one.

    The one exception was when it (very narrowly — 0.2%) picked Adlai Stevenson from neighboring Illinois.

  268. If it was me you know who I would disparage is that piece of shit thief what lives in a hut. And I would say hah you piece of shit you can just go on living in that hut all I care cause I’m a gon get on with my bad self be the first pezzydent with a brother what lives in a hut. That would be you. Hah. In your hut.

  269. Nah. I have a more reasonable idea of what property is. I don’t need to have the threat of eternal damnation to be decent and hand someone their dropped wallet back to them.

  270. Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by the alleged attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten’s behavior and character.

    Are you aware Wooten admitted on camera tasing his ten-year old step son? What the fuck would you do if you caught your brother in law tasing your nephew? You are a slimeball, dude. Fuck off.

  271. It’s weird how Baracky’s family all gravitate towards countries in which sexual abuse of children is a huge problem. Newsweek should ask why that is I think.

  272. After two weeks of the Palin Treatment Baracky would be a broken man I think.

  273. @267

    Hey Smedley I will agree that Gov’s really do not have direct control of National Guard units.

    Mr. Pink, I have had cross words with you before on this blog; after reading your other posts, I admit that I was hasty then. However, you are most certainly wrong to make the above statement.Governors do not have direct control of Nation Guard units that are nationalized. They most certainly do have direct control of their own units when they (the governor of the state in question) mobilize them. Which they would do for riots or other conditions where they would declare martial law.While such units are rare now, it is also possible for a state to have its own militia units which do not fall under the Nation Defense Act of 1933.Christ, even Wikipedia discusses this in great detail.

  274. Happy they should ask Rush Limbaugh about his “vacations” to those hot spots first.

  275. #

    Comment by B Moe on 9/12 @ 8:21 pm #

    Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by the alleged attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten’s behavior and character.

    Are you aware Wooten admitted on camera tasing his ten-year old step son? What the fuck would you do if you caught your brother in law tasing your nephew? You are a slimeball, dude. Fuck off.

    The kid wanted to see what it felt like. They were goofing around. Quit your Clintoning.

  276. So they did have jobs….

    Cool!

  277. Did you miss the part about the 86% unemployment rate, Lisa?

  278. Hmm. Don’t trust <p> tags; they don’t work here.

    I hate sites that only allow emasculated versions of HTML but don’t have a fucking preview function.

  279. Quit your Clintoning

    LMAO!!!

  280. Rush Limbaugh, I have no relationship with him. Does he really take weird suspicious vacations by himself to sex touristy places?

  281. Poor Repubs, they tried to lipstick a moose but Americans saw right through it after she let out her first oink-oink.

  282. The kid wanted to see what it felt like. They were goofing around. Quit your Clintoning.

    What if the kid wanted to see what it felt like to get drunk? Or stoned?
    Tasering children is very dangerous, the meathead knew this, and did it anyway. I don’t really expect any better from you, thor, but I am disapointed Lisa thinks this is so hilarious. It would probably really be funny if we had some video of the little guy flopping around like a beached trout, huh?

  283. Does he really take weird suspicious vacations by himself to sex touristy places?

    If you consider Dominican Republic golf courses sexy touristy place.

  284. For his eleventh birthday Wooten is going to turn him on to the mainline, what I heard.

  285. The whole pig thing is stale I think. My boss person said it really hurt his opinion of Baracky, and he leans left but is the closest thing to an undecided voter I know. He sort of gets all his news from CNN. But for real people are talking more about the media than about Baracky this week. I know it’s his media but it’s still kind of unprecedented, the dynamic of it.

  286. oh. Catholic countries I would think would be poor choices for that sort of thing. Except maybe Brazil.

  287. “Disparaging will not be tolerated—it is a form of child abuse,” the judge told a settlement hearing in October 2005, according to typed notes of the proceedings. The judge added: “Relatives cannot disparage either.” before stamping her little statist foot angrily. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives or the State shall do so at its own holy discretion, amen and hallelujah, for the power and the majesty”.

    The First Amendment could not be reached for comment, as nor could two hundred years of supreme court precedents numbering in the dozens and dozens establishing parenting as as essential and protected as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness themselves. Oh, and I may have editorialized part of your tragic and transparent attempt to mislead ever so slightly.

    Which is to say, this just could be a slightly less than highly fertile proving grounds, Mr. Richard Clive Milhouse Bennett Einstein III, to go around on touting the constitutionally-challenged child abuse nazi state by way of the towering wisdom of a member of the family court gestapo somehow impugning the lovely and talented Mrs Palin on the basis of where her sister lives.

    Especially when the penalty imposed would itself would have constituted an actual instance of arbitrary, juryless, and unconstitutional state-mandated alienation, as is chronically the case. You guardian of exceptionally principled principles, you. You bastion of research and keeper of entire bins of facts.

    Just saying.

    And because, you know, what you just called Palin in #268 is, by that very measure, itself abuse. Did you know that?

  288. It would probably really be funny if we had some video of the little guy flopping around like a beached trout, huh?

    Wait, hasn’t the “community organizer” crowd been trying to convince us that tasering a violent meth freak or crackhead is “torture” and a “violation of civil rights”?

  289. It wasn’t dumb to bring up life and death decisions.

    Take Katrina for instance. The Gov of LA refused to mobilize the NG, even though Pres. Bush practically begged her to. A decision that cost lives.

    Obama, if elected, promises to cut military funding in dangerous times(much like Clinton, thus the famous line about going to war with the army you have), and dismantling our nuclear capability at a time when the middle east is about to kick off a nuclear arms race.

    Life and death decisions.

    I’ll take the bear hunter.

  290. Oh, and I may have editorialized part of your tragic and transparent attempt to mislead ever so slightly.

    Her feet really aren’t that small, are they?

  291. This sort of behavior is called “Parental Alienation” and it’s not uncommon in divorce.

    OMG! A moonbat mentioning parental alienation? And attacking a woman for it?

    OK, where’s Peter Funt?


  292. Comment by B Moe on 9/12 @ 8:37 pm #

    The kid wanted to see what it felt like. They were goofing around. Quit your Clintoning.

    What if the kid wanted to see what it felt like to get drunk? Or stoned?
    Tasering children is very dangerous, the meathead knew this, and did it anyway. I don’t really expect any better from you, thor, but I am disapointed Lisa thinks this is so hilarious. It would probably really be funny if we had some video of the little guy flopping around like a beached trout, huh?

    Back when my Dad was an alcoholic he’d get drunk and beat the crap out of me. I still love(d) him. Quit Clintoning.

  293. And the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, does it thor?

  294. Tasing children is harmless fun. Talking shit about a child taser is abuse. Did I get that right?

  295. I’m not an alcoholic.

    And you? Mainline any Alaskan meth lately?

  296. Mr. Pink, I have had cross words with you before on this blog; after reading your other posts, I admit that I was hasty then. However, you are most certainly wrong to make the above statement.Governors do not have direct control of Nation Guard units that are nationalized. They most certainly do have direct control of their own units when they (the governor of the state in question) mobilize them.

    By direct control I ment actual orders other than a signature. No Gov orders troops in combat, they order them into combat.

  297. Court records obtained by NEWSWEEK show that during the course of divorce hearings three years ago, Judge John Suddock heard testimony from an official of the Alaska State Troopers’ union about how Sarah Palin—then a private citizen—and members of her family, including her father and daughter, lodged up to a dozen complaints against Wooten with the state police.

    Oh yeah. That’s child abuse. The union boss said so.

  298. Back when my Dad was an alcoholic he’d get drunk and beat the crap out of me. I still love(d) him.

    And look what a fine son he turned out. He must be so proud of your literary abilities.

  299. How’s that bar tab you were telling us about looking, hammer boy? You still buying drinks?


  300. Comment by Pablo on 9/12 @ 8:57 pm #

    Tasing children is harmless fun. Talking shit about a child taser is abuse. Did I get that right?

    To you child abuse is fun, or shall I say “funny.” I see how quick you were to make fun of my father’s mistakes.

    Of course, my Dad’s a decorated war veteran and life-long Republican, so in my family we gave him some leeway. Purple Heart – he’s walked with a limp since Korea. Hope that sends you into hysterics.

  301. Oh yeah. That’s child abuse. The union boss said so.

    Actually, the judge said so. The children are hurt more by parental alienation than by a one-time taser jolt.

  302. I see how quick you were to make fun of my father’s mistakes.

    Actually, I was making fun of you. But if the shoe fits….

  303. Actually, the judge said so. The children are hurt more by parental alienation than by a one-time taser jolt.

    Then the judge is a moron. A taser can kill a child, dead right there.

  304. These Palin groupies are going to drive up the price of fainting couches, as prone as they are to getting the vapors whenever someone criticizes the precious flower of trailer park womanhood.

  305. Did you miss the points in #291, Bennett?

    Or are you just immune to perspective and reason?

  306. …as prone as they are to getting the vapors whenever someone criticizes the precious flower of trailer park womanhood.

    Says the little prince who is getting the vapors at the notion of a real woman in the White House.

    Fuck off, Richard, you got nothing.

  307. The children are hurt more by parental alienation than by a one-time taser jolt.

    That reminds me of the Mendez brothers, when their lawyer, defending them for murdering their parents, appealed to the jury that they deserved consideration because they were orphans.

  308. You do know don’t you Bennett, Palin lives in the governors mansion, not a trailer park

  309. Fuck off, B Moe, you’re concern is only political.

    You have nothing, actually.

  310. Fuck off, B Moe, you’re concern is only political.

    You have nothing, actually.

    I won’t stand by and watch a man abuse a child, no matter how romantic you tell me it is.

  311. The whole state of Alaska is one big trailer park, that’s why it’s OK to drill for oil all over the damn thing.

    And JHoward, don’t think I’ve got an obligation to respond to every puny comment on this post. I’m well aware of the problems with VAWA, having campaigned against it for years. And I’m also aware of the problems in family court with false allegations of abuse. That’s why I don’t appreciate Palin’s trashy behavior. The judge was right, Palin was wrong.

  312. B Moe, were you dropped on your head by your mama? I’ve never seen more moronic comments on a blog than yours.

  313. These Palin groupies are going to drive up the price of fainting couches, as prone as they are to getting the vapors whenever someone criticizes the precious flower of trailer park womanhood.

    You’ll check back in with us when such a thing happens for real, won’t you Richard?

    The irony with these morons is simply unbelievable. If you wrote it as fiction, people would mock you and yet, here it is, in real life.

  314. Do you have something to contribute besides warmed-over concern trolling copied and pasted from Daily Kos?

    Concern trolling? You seem unclear on the concept. What did I copy and paste? Please give a link or retract. It sounds like you’re just kind of randomly picking internet tropes to fling about which doesn’t reflect well on your reasoning skills.

  315. And JHoward, don’t think I’ve got an obligation to respond to every puny comment on this post.

    You don’t have an obligation to respond to any of them.

    And I’m also aware of the problems in family court with false allegations of abuse. That’s why I don’t appreciate Palin’s trashy behavior.

    WOOTEN FUCKING ADMITTED HE DID IT, DUMBFUCK.
    THE ALLEGATIONS WEREN’T FALSE, DUMBFUCK.
    Sorry, but Richard seems a bit slow in the comprehension department.

  316. Richard what you should know also is that Alaska has many beautiful fjords. And then you can explain why Arkansas is a better place to be from than Alaska.

  317. The judge was right, Palin was wrong.

    And your basis for this knowledge is what, exactly?

    Aside to JHoward: Guess who turned 18 today?

  318. I’ve never seen more moronic comments on a blog than yours.

    Don’t get out much, do you? Stick around then, because I am just getting warmed up.

  319. Gee, happyfeet, a trailer park with a view! That’s great! Many US Americans would love to live in a place with fjords.

    The Wooten tasing incident sure has you folks excited, do you need to lie down and fan yourselves?

  320. Oh, and for the record, Richard, I think you and yours should hit her with everything you’ve got. Make shit up if you have to, but don’t let up for a minute. Hammer, hammer, hammer her. Don’t take this lying down.

  321. The whole state of Alaska is one big trailer park

    My, how…superior of you.

    Are you a prince or something?

    Or maybe a queen?

  322. Concern trolling? You seem unclear on the concept.

    I’m quite clear on the concept, thanks.

    What did I copy and paste?

    Okay, I withdraw “copy and paste” and substitute “regurgitating”.

    Happy now?

  323. Richard is petulant cause Baracky is losing. I’m kind of liking it. Is that wrong?

  324. The Wooten tasing incident sure has you folks excited

    You’re the one who brought it up, Dick, so I think your characterization of who is “excited” is….shall we say…inoperative.

  325. Any bets on how long before Richard starts explaining his libertarianism to us?

  326. If this kid had nothing to do with the newest Sweetie of the Republican party you wouldn’t even be wasting your time talking about it.

    My dad was only violent towards us when he was drunk and the next day he felt horrible about it. We never called the cops. Wait, we did, once. He went to AA and got himself straight. We’re a tight family that was made tighter from those years. He’s a good man. Mom’s eyes got dotted, mine too. Guess what, they healed up nice. Upper-middle income white folk sometimes go through them Southside Chicago problems too.

    Don’t boo-hoo too hard, B Moe, it’s not becoming. Make a joke of it like Pablo.

  327. Actually, happyfeet, I’m petulant because John McCain chose his VP from the guest list for the Jerry Springer Show. Any dipshit from the O’Reilly Factor would have been an improvement.

  328. Oh, Richard? Mike Wooten wishes you’d STFU. But he’s pretty happy about Sarah Palin being selected as the VP nominee.

  329. Bennett, let me guess. You were pulling for Leiberman, right?

  330. But McCain and that dipshit are making Baracky cry. That can’t be a good feeling. And M’chelle has just disappeared. Baracky’s all alone and scared and lashing out.

  331. Mitt Romney was on tonight, as well as Palin. Seeing them back to back was comparative fun.

  332. If this kid had nothing to do with the newest Sweetie of the Republican party you wouldn’t even be wasting your time talking about it.

    See, and you guys think thor isn’t worth keeping around. Where would we be without him shining his light on such profundities as this for us. Incredible grasp of the obvious, this one. Nothing gets past him.

  333. Your Mommy and Daddy made the joke, thor. Sadly, you’re not really much of a punchline.

  334. I think Mitt Romney should fill in for Baracky on SNL if Baracky has to pretend to care about bitter clingy Texans. He’s funnier anyway.

  335. Richard is a man of principles, ‘feets. He would rather put Obama’s finger on the trigger as have McCain recklessly sending Palin off to foreign funerals.

  336. You do know that Palin is more popular with Republican voters than McCain, right, Dick?

    Maybe you’re in the wrong party?

  337. #

    Comment by lee on 9/12 @ 9:33 pm #

    Bennett, let me guess. You were pulling for Leiberman, right?

    I never liked Lieberman, no. Somebody like Kay Bailey Hutchison or Olympia Dukakis would have been my choice. But they probably don’t think Adam and Eve played with dinosaurs 6000 years ago.

  338. Joey Hairplugs is useless even for that, B Moe. Baracky’s judgment is not very good I don’t think.

  339. At least I know who my daddy is, which is braggin’ rights in the land of Pablos.

    Hey, B Moe, give us a “you got nothin’-fuck-you” again.

  340. But they probably don’t think Adam and Eve played with dinosaurs 6000 years ago.

    You are a fool, dude.
    http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=1541

  341. But they probably don’t think Adam and Eve played with dinosaurs 6000 years ago.

    You really don’t know what you’re talking about, do you, Richard? I’ll bet your inbox led you to a bigger mortgage payment and a smaller penis. Am I right?

  342. nishi is so much better at this than Richard. Don’t it always seem to go…

  343. Joey Hairplugs is useless even for that, B Moe.

    No shit. He would probably ask the corpse to stand up and take a bow.

  344. Hey, B Moe, give us a “you got nothin’-fuck-you” again.

    Jeez, thor, pace yourself. And don’t beg, it isn’t ladylike.

  345. At least I know who my daddy is, which is braggin’ rights in the land of Pablos.

    Nah, my father died last year after 49 years of marriage to my mother and I was picked to eulogize him. My effort was quite well received. I think I knew him pretty well. And I didn’t just love him, I respected him, with good cause. Godbotherer and all.

  346. How’d you kill him?

  347. Adam and Eve played with dinosaurs 6000 years ago

    Ahh, you’re going to have to show me where she actually said that.

    Otherwise, I will have to think you believe in even sillier things than you accuse(insinuate?) Palin of believing in.

  348. Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii would also have been a better choice than the dinosaur lady. But she’s a baby-killing, Jew lesbian so that probably wouldn’t fly with the Young Earthers eitherl

  349. Richard it apparently one of those devout Republicans, all his life I am guessing, who gets his news strangely enough from lefty blogs.

  350. Don’t you guys know you shouldn’t play with turds?

    You just end up with a bad smell in your nose and shit on your hands…

  351. Don’t express opinions, Moe, you’re only embarrassing yourself.

  352. Former mayor now governor, I can see where Lingle is much more qualified than Palin.

  353. Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii would also have been a better choice than the dinosaur lady.

    That’s funny, Richard. She doesn’t seem to think so. You really don’t know what you’re talking about, do you?

  354. ok I love this. Baracky’s still a marxist pansy but I love that. Where’s maggie?

  355. Did you click on the link, Richard? Because see that was a fact. The Obama supporter who started the rumor you quoted as fact is linked to there, and even shows up in the comments to laugh at dumbfucks like you who fell for it.

  356. BTW, what makes you think the twice married Lingle is a lesbian? Gaydar?

  357. Oh yeah, Linda Lingle. She is an old collage friend of Palin, and thinks she will make a splendid VP.

    Are you sure Lingle would make a good VP, what with that kind of bad judgment?

    By the way, why, in your mind, is Hawaii better than Alaska?

  358. The Obama supporter who started the rumor you quoted as fact is linked to there, and even shows up in the comments to laugh at dumbfucks like you who fell for it.

    I’ve gotta defend him a bit here in that he didn’t start a rumor. He clearly presented his fake Palin quotes as fake and as parody. In fact, the post in which he presented them was entitled Fake Governor Sarah Palin Quotes. Desperate lefties converted them to community based reality. And here we have Richard being sucked right in and spreading the stupid. Too funny.

  359. Happyfeet is right. This Bennett fellow is kind of boring.

    He makes it too easy.

    At least he isn’t a turd though…

  360. How’d you kill him?

    Cancer did that. But he lived about 3 years longer than he was told to expect at diagnosis. Good thing he was an American citizen, ain’t it, thor? Not like old Ernie Olde with his Canadian ass cancer.

  361. Was the origin of the rumors then. I didn’t mean to imply he was the original one to portray them as fact, just that he started the story. Sorry, Bob, didn’t mean to smear you.

  362. I got you, B Moe, but given the mental abilities of some of those on this thread, you’d be a smear artist in no time. Or a child abuser. Clarity is good.

  363. Sorry about your Dad Pablo.

    Last month my Dad had a cancerous tumor removed from his bladder. He’s 78, and just celebrated a 60th wedding anniversary.

    I’m kinda scared…

  364. Oh, and he lives in Alberta, but it seems they are on top of it.

    I hope.

  365. …you’d be a smear artist in no time. Or a child abuser.

    Don’t need that, apparently I am already quite the moron. I blame Ace.

  366. Best of luck to him, lee. We’re all gonna go sometime, but cancer is a nasty way to do it. Here’s wishing him good health.

  367. I’ll be the bigger man and allow your father to rest in peace.

    Leave something really nasty about my Dad for me to read tomorrow. Oh, oh, how about my two great uncles who died in WWII; do one of your patented-Wikipedia-Peeblo golden showers on them. You da bomb! Oh wait, my other great uncle he didn’t die in the war, he drank himself to death shortly after coming home – more material!

  368. Got kinda quiet all of a sudden, didn’t it, B Moe?

  369. I’ll be the bigger man and allow your father to rest in peace.

    You have no say in the matter, you fucking maggot.

  370. Dude, you are the only one said anything about your family. I have only been mocking you.

  371. Mighty fucking brave of you to try to use them to hide behind now. You finally getting tired of taking shots to the face?

  372. Thanks Pablo.

    Yeah, we all gotta go sometime.

    When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather.

    Not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car…

    /rimshot

  373. You are the Chinese box maggot, B Moe!

    Huge!

    Pablo, Obama has a plan to help you get an education.

  374. Leave something really nasty about my Dad for me to read tomorrow.

    Why would I when you’ve already done it? Mot that I’d be inclined to do it, but it would be redundant if I were.

  375. Baracky had a plan where him was gonna be president too.

  376. Pablo, Obama has a plan to help you get an education.

    I’ve already read that book. No, thanks.


  377. Comment by Pablo on 9/12 @ 10:26 pm #

    Leave something really nasty about my Dad for me to read tomorrow.

    Why would I when you’ve already done it? Mot that I’d be inclined to do it, but it would be redundant if I were.

    You should have listened to your papi when he told you not to lie.


  378. Comment by B Moe on 9/12 @ 10:19 pm #

    Mighty fucking brave of you to try to use them to hide behind now. You finally getting tired of taking shots to the face?

    Mighty brave of you to hide behind a ten-year-old that you don’t give two shits about.

    Take a swing, old man.

  379. That wasn’t very zingy. You want you can have a do-over but I get one later then.

  380. I meant 382. 383 was kind of zingy what with the “old” thing and all.

  381. Mighty brave of you to hide behind a ten-year-old that you don’t give two shits about

    Says the guy who’s been beating up on 17 year old girls and Downs babies for two weeks now.

    Yeah, you’re “brave”, thor.

    What are you going to do with O! loses?

  382. You need to ditch the Frog poetry and read some Dan Jenkins and Tom McGuane, thor. Maybe throw some Ross MacDonald and Harry Crews in there. Toughen your chops up, teach you how to brawl with words.

  383. Or Jack London, for that matter.

    I’ll bet you could write a wizard thesis using that piece as a metaphor for the Obama campaign.

  384. Pablo and B Moe made Richard eat dirt at the bike racks after school today.

  385. People who stayed in Galveston (40% by some measures) made a bad decision.

  386. What that was never supposed to do again was happen.

  387. Brendan Loy’s realtime storm surge page has Sabine Pass getting the worst of it so far. (Scroll down and down.)

  388. Let’s recap the main points of today’s lesson.

    1. There are worse things than losing an election. Selling your country down the river for the votes of a few creationists would be one of them.

    2. We live in a dangerous world, and we need strong, intelligent, sane leadership. The queen of the trailer park is not such a leader.

    3. John McCain displayed arrogance and an excess of ambition in choosing an unqualified redneck beauty queen as his running mate.

    Only the blind, the sick, and the stupid can support Palin for a job that’s only a heart-attack away from the presidency.

    Instead of swooning over the slights at the dinosaur lady, y’all need to wake the fuck up. You don’t have to do it just yet, you’ve got a couple of weeks yet.

    And BTW, calling somebody named Richard “Dick” does not exactly mark you as one of America’s wittiest old-school blog commenters. “Dickie” would be better, and it’s not that great.

    Try harder.

  389. Bennett, it is what it is.

    Two weeks from now, I “wake up”. What do I do then? Vote Obama?

    I didn’t want to vote for McCain, Palin is just the sugar coating on a bitter pill.

    And the fact that she drives folks like you bat-shit crazy is the fun, colorful tongue residue the candy coating leaves.

  390. 1. There are worse things than losing an election.

    Yes indeed, and I would just as soon not lose this one and find out what they are first hand.

    2. We live in a dangerous world, and we need strong, intelligent, sane leadership. The queen of the trailer park is not such a leader.

    Got anything beside slanders and ad homs? They are still failing to impress.

    3. John McCain displayed arrogance and an excess of ambition in choosing an unqualified redneck beauty queen as his running mate.

    I am sure he will be just fucking crushed to hear you feel that way.
    If you will excuse me now I am going to go try to understand how someone running for President of the United States could not show an excess of ambition.

  391. You’re too shallow to bother with, Bennett. And too shallow to be so impressed with yourself.

  392. “Only the blind, the sick, and the stupid can support Palin for a job that’s only a heart-attack away from the presidency.”

    You can make a categorical statement like this, how exactly? Only? Really? So you would have me believe that everyone who does support Gov. Palin is, by definition, blind, sick and or stupid?

    I think maybe you should read more widely. Try something by this guy. Like this pagehere.

  393. Pablo, yours turned 18? Congrats, my man. Mine does in three days. Somehow, we all made it.

  394. Let’s recap the main points of today’s lesson.

    4. Dick is really, really bad at concern trolling.

  395. Sdferr,

    those were interesting links, but I found this sort of ironic:

    We are saddened that both campaigns have become less civil over the summer, and we apportion most of the blame to the McCain team, which hired advisors from the two previous Bush campaigns and began making attacks that were much more personal, much less about ideas.

    We don’t want to see demonization, but that rotten McCain hired BUSH advisors!!

  396. The guy is a political liberal in the modern conventional sense, Lee, so no surprise there to me at all. I hoped that Haidt might be able to teach Richard Bennett something through coming from his (Bennett’s) own point of view.

  397. Oh my, I went all day without seeing yet another example of sexism/classim, this time in Dickie Bennett.

    He’s a parody of a Leftist pustule, right?

  398. Olympia Dukakis?

    Cousin of Michael Dukakis. A 77 year old Democrat actress for Republican VP? Really?

    Now that’s bringing on the funny.

  399. Hey Dickie

    Why should I trust a male who went from community organizer to Senate without winning one real election and is so thin skinned he’s running an ad mocking John McCain for not using a computer… without doing enough homework to know that McCain cannot use a tie his shoes, comb his hair, or use a keyboard due to the permanent injuries inflicted on him by the North Vietnamese?

    Oh yeah, the same guy who picked Biden — good old Joe who asked the other day a wheelchair-bound man to “Stand up! Stand up! Let everyone see you!! …… oh …. “

  400. I’m so glad we got a early look at what Barack is getting from those 30 lawyers he “airdropped” into Anchorage. Good stuff, well worth the money I think. /sarc


  401. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/12 @ 10:49 pm #

    Says the guy who’s been beating up on 17 year old girls and Downs babies for two weeks now.

    Yeah, you’re “brave”, thor.

    What are you going to do with O! loses?

    Aww, wookie, it’s the bwavest bookey witing pussy on PW.

    Like every master of language, we all see how you’ve been trolling the internet beggin’ to be sucked off. Have you heard that that sacred virgin Sarah Palin has a daughter who knows how to show guys a good time? No, really. You might be wasting your time here. Nishi doesn’t do hikkks.

  402. That’s nice, thor.

    I’m sorry that you’ve had your ass beaten ever since you were a child, but perhaps at some point you need to realize that yes, yes, it is your fault.

    By the way, how did that attorney call work out for you, braggart?

  403. Where’s maggie?

    right here. I saw that earlier today, would have been more impressed if they’d changed up the lyrics instead of just lip syncing, but whatevs. I’m in rehearsal hell for a couple more weeks.

  404. Instead of swooning over the slights at the dinosaur lady

    *

  405. #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/13 @ 1:17 am #

    That’s nice, thor.

    I’m sorry that you’ve had your ass beaten ever since you were a child, but perhaps at some point you need to realize that yes, yes, it is your fault.

    By the way, how did that attorney call work out for you, braggart?

    I think our Chernyshevsky wannabe needs some work on his pester-chops.

    Isn’t America great. Where else can you buy Taiwanese-made server equipment then wake up in the middle of the night and sell it to sushi eaters in Japan. It must be our legendary customer service that reels ‘em in, or our buxom women, who can really say for sure.

    Oh yes, back to you, Spies, and your legendary cowardice. When I poke at Sarah Palin is the trauma similar to that of having to watch a gang of hippie anarchists catch Mary Magdalen in a big net and pass her around as nonchalantly as the local Moscow gopnicki pass bribes? It’s interesting how you coil up and fang anyone who dares state unmitigated observations of her. Could your angry reactions be related to the pain of walking around 24/7 with an erection in your pants? Yes, possibly so. Oh but please do explain when can take some time away from your trolling for release.

    You seem to like lawyers. Do you want to be one when you grow up? G’nite.

  406. And BTW, calling somebody named Richard “Dick” does not exactly mark you as one of America’s wittiest old-school blog commenters.

    Depends on delivery, Dick.

  407. Speaking of stupid, Baracky wants us to be one heartbeat away from President Biden. Should Joey Hairplugs be President is a question that’s been asked and answered, by Democrats, twice already. The answer is no.

    Smoove move, Baracky.

  408. y’all need to wake the fuck up. You don’t have to do it just yet, you’ve got a couple of weeks yet.

    Snooze alarm !

    Sweet.

  409. Did you see where Intrade dropped the proposition on Palin dropping out and put one up for Biden?

    Eagleton!

  410. If you’re still reading, thor, I’m sorry that happened to you. Very sorry.

  411. …and #351, not funny, ironic, snarky…just mean.

  412. That’s nice, thor.

    However, I’m not your daddy.

    I’m sure they have competent psychologists in your area. Perhaps you should ask your primary care physician for a referral?

  413. I love all of the roads leading back to “some lazy shiftless motherfucker teaching other lazy shiftless motherfuckers how to game the system” LMAO! You just can’t help it can you? Heh. At least you restrain yourselves most of the time.

    Lisa, you have a serious problem — you keep attributing to people positions they do not express, but which are apparently rooted in your bigotry towards others. The only person using “shiftless” in this thread is you, for example. This isn’t the first time you’ve done that.

    It’s not all about race, or class. Honestly — the thing about Obama’s “community organizer” crap is that it’s not the kind of experience we think is valuable for a president.

  414. It’s interesting how you coil up and fang anyone who dares state unmitigated observations of her.

    Wowza! That is a world class lack of self awareness right there.

  415. On the self-awareness front……..

    Sen Obama has cancelled his appearance on SNL tonight on account of Hurricane Ike’s effects. I particularly liked this bit from the attached article:

    “Obama planned to open with a request that the audience keep the Texas victims in their thoughts and prayers, the campaign said, then follow with a discussion of the “quiet storms” that people face in their everyday lives.”

  416. I think Obama is probably just afraid that Palin will sneak in disguised as Tina Fey.

    Wonder how many cartons of Luckies O! has gone through in the last couple of weeks?

  417. Sen.Obama smokes Luckies? Are you trying to prejudice my opinion in his favor there SBP, or just taking a brand shot in the dark? (Jesus that sentence is fraught with all the wrong kinds of things. Sorry.)

  418. Just imagining what brand I’d be smoking in that situation…

  419. I don’t think the full transcript to Gov. Palin’s first interview with C. Gibson has been linked here. Thus (with the edited out bits from the 6:30 broadcast in bold).

  420. How these people hate someone they have never met and whose name they did not know three weeks ago is beyond me. I mean has anyone seen right wing blogs screeching hate toward Joe Biden? This has just gotten disgusting and I know it will only get worse.

  421. I posted this comment at the pub but it fits here too.

    It is my contention that much of the furor over Palin is related to the mostly unknown fact that the left is using so many foundations, companies, NGOs and unions along with government grants to recruit and fund their activist people.

    They believe that McCain the “Maverick” reformer and Palin the conservative that cleaned up Alaska might defund them. Losing an easy source of income. One that allows you to “stick it to the man” by making all those suckers in fly-over country pay you for things they abhor.

    That is what is driving the squealing. The corruption “tax” in the USA is immense and goes almost entirely to the left.

  422. Lisa

    Here it is. What accomplishments did Barry achieve as “community organizer”? According to his own supervisor “nothing, really.”

    Sarah Palin has a solid record of accomplishments. Maybe not as long as some, but still solid, tangible and much more than a man whose first two forays into publishing is writing books about himself.

    There are those that enter politics to make the proper connections, hang with the local power brokers, polish the knobs for the machine in a quest to move to higher office; then there are those that enter politics to make a difference and start making that difference from day one.

  423. “When I was a lad, I served a turn as office-boy at an attorney’s firm. I cleaned the windows and I swept the floors, and I polished up the handle on the big front door.

    I polished that handle so carefully, they made me the ruler of the Queen’s Navy! ”

    W.S. Gilbert

  424. Richard Bennett is decidedly on the Repub side; but to be fair, I should point out that, while he can be whip smart, he also seems to have problems with the women folk at times — and is especially bothered by the kind of religious folk who actually believe in their religion. Like Andrew Sullivan in that respect.

    The point about how much Palin can REALLY KNOW about foreign policy at this point, given that she has not been in on briefings, etc., seems to me spot on. She gets her info from papers, etc., just like we do. Only she’s been busy being Governor of a state. Whereas we dissect the news everyday.

    She seems a quick study, though.

  425. Baracky’s community is disorganized still in spite of all his efforts and even with his hatey church helping. Change is easier said than done I think. Especially for Baracky.

  426. oh. You better tell B Moe and Pablo to give Richard back his lunch money then.

  427. Steve Hayward speaks to the subject of Richard Bennett’s credentials problem at Weekly Standard today in “Give ‘em Hell, Sarah”.

  428. JeffG

    She may know a bit more about foreign affairs than any other Governor….but you wouldn’t know it from the Gibson Bowdlerized interview. They chopped Palin in MID SENTENCE in many areas in order to distort her to fit their idea of her as a gun-clinging, stupid hick.

    ABC’s disregard of basic journalistic ethics and obligations is complete.

  429. Yeah, I was just posting on that, Darleen.

  430. What I found a little weird Darleen, was that in that first interview they left so many “tells” of their chopping, as if to throw a bone to the right, “wink-wink, nudge-nudge, you all know what we are doing here and we know you know, so we’ll just leave these odd little nuggets for you to find so you know we know you know, and we’ll all be cool like that, y’know? Thanks for listening, Your ABC.”

  431. JeffG

    I should refresh the front page more often! :-)

  432. I’d be interested to hear what Richard has to say about the documented instances of Palin refusing to govern through the prism of her private beliefs — be it same sex partnership benefits, ID, etc. I linked the Harsanyi articles, so they shouldn’t be hard to find.

  433. Sdferr

    It was really frustrating because it was so ham-handed. I kept thinking “real class there ABC. I hope other people are seeing what I’m seeing”.

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  435. “[...] In retrospect it is clear that Truman “got it.” He didn’t need any more “experience” to master the job. “Well I’m facing another tall day as usual,” he ended that letter to Bess; “But I like ‘em that way.” —Stephen Hayward, “Give ‘em Hell, Sarah”

    I hear echoes of that “I like ‘em that way” in the Kudlow (?) interview with Gov. Palin when she jokes back at Kudlow deflecting his question about potentially receiving the VP nomination that she’s not sure that the VP job is challenging enough for her tastes.

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  437. #12 Jeff G.:

    Sorry – parents were visiting, and this site deserves more than a drive-by view-and-comment.

    Regular assininity from me will commence now that the folks are gone on their way to Florida.

  438. From time to time we get a visitor announcing his or her long-time bona fides as a conservative and/or Republican, and wailing about the Latest! Catastrophic! Misstep! And! Violation! Of! Conservative! Principles!, carefully bolstering the arguments with extensive quotes from Josh Marshall, Matt Yglesias, the Kos commenters, and of course the One True Conservative, Andrew Sullivan. Some of them are quite clever and erudite, and once in a while the “quotes” are no such thing, having been arrived at independently, but ultimately they fail to impress.

    Sorry, Dick. You are what you eat.

    Regards,
    Ric

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  440. Richard sure seems to have the DKos talking points down and is awfully willing to use them for a Republican. It doesn’t help when the vast majority of your “facts” are wrong.

    Sorry, Dick. It is what it is.

    ‘feets, I don’t have his lunch money. Just the waistband of his Hanes. I’d be looking at B Moe.

  441. If he apologizes for all the ad homs and slanders, we can start over, sure. I grew up in a culture were men don’t stand around and watch other men pick on women and children, its who I am.

  442. “I grew up in a culture were men don’t stand around and watch other men pick on women and children, its who I am.”

    Me too.

    Only time my father ever laid a hand on me was when, as a 17 year old brat, in an argument with my mom I swore at her. Next thing I knew I was on the ground with my father looking down at me saying, “I don’t care who you are nobody talks like that to my wife!”.

    Lesson learned that day. My dad was Indiana High School State wrestling champ in his senior year. You didn’t mess with him, even when he was older.


  443. Comment by B Moe on 9/13 @ 2:48 pm #

    If he apologizes for all the ad homs and slanders, we can start over, sure. I grew up in a culture were men don’t stand around and watch other men pick on women and children, its who I am.

    Is that an admission you still have some growing to do? Your God is your assumptions, slime warrior. And you should render 1000-apologies for your apoplectic fits vented toward that nice young man named thor.

  444. I will continue growing until I die My God is mysteries, not assumptions. I will consider apologizing to thor when he comes to Athens and buys me a drink. A well crafted drunk transcends apologies.

  445. “We’re going to have a bold energy plan that says that we are going to reduce our dependence on foreign oil by 20 or 30 percent over the course of a decade or two.
    We are going to ask all citizens to participate in that process, not just government, but each and every one of us are going to have — are going to make commitments in terms of increasing fuel efficiency in our cars and homes, and the government is going to be in partnership with citizens to make that happen..” — Obama at Columbia

    Interesting that virtually nobody seemed to notice this metric.

    With all the ads from people telling us … independent in 10 years, with the US 70% dependent on foreign oil .. it will be at least 3 or 4 decades to be independent.

    With cries for “energy independence” dating back to before Carter, somehow Obama’s plan doesn’t seem very bold and it certainly isn’t independence any time soon. It may slow the bleeding, but it really underscores the necessity of opting for all energy sources.

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