Happyfeet SarahW linked this in the previous thread, but we may as well put it out here in the bright light of day. From The Weekly Standard:
I just watched CNN’s Soledad O’Brien sandbag former White House Communications Director Nicole Wallace by asking her how Sarah Palin can claim to be a defender of special needs children when she cut the budget for that Alaska office by 62 percent. Wallace wasn’t familiar with the charge — which isn’t surprising, since it’s only being made on DailyKos and another liberal site. (Tip for Ms. O’Brien: DailyKos is not a reliable news site.)
This charge is based on looking at the budget for Alaska’s Special Education Service Agency for 2007-2009. In fact, the December 2006 budget document that they cite would have been prepared by the outgoing administration — that of Republican Frank Murkowski, whom Palin defeated.
What’s gone unmentioned is that the Palin signed into law a dramatic reform of the state’s education financing system that equalizes aid to rural and urban districts, while significantly increasing funding for special needs students. From the publication Education Week:
Gov. Sarah Palin and state lawmakers have gone ahead with an overhaul of Alaska’s school funding system that supporters predict will provide much-needed financial help to rural schools and those serving students with disabilities.
The plan, enacted in the recently concluded session of the legislature, is based on recommendations issued by a legislative task force last year. It will phase in a greater flow of money to districts outside of Anchorage, Alaska’s largest city, over the next five years.
Advocates for rural and remote schools have lobbied for years for more funding, in particular noting the higher fuel, transportation, and other costs associated with providing education in communities scattered across the vast state.
A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development (emphasis added).
So the Netroots and CNN allege that Palin cut special needs funding by 62 percent, by crediting her with the budget proposed by a political opponent. And the truth is that rather than a 62 percent cut, she’s actually increasing special needs funding by 175 percent.
It’s no wonder a majority of Americans think the media is trying to hurt Palin.
Of course, as we’re now being told, facts don’t really matter. It is perfectly okay to lie and lie until lies become perception, because in the end, the greater good is what’s most important.
And the greater good has nothing to do with increasing special needs funding by 175%: it has to do with getting Democrats into power. And then, you know — we can take it from there…
****
update: Meanwhile, in other news, O! Shit!:
The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined, Barack Obama conceded Thursday in his first-ever interview on FOX News’ “The O’Reilly Factor.â€Â
As recently as July, the Democratic presidential candidate declined to rate the surge a success, but said it had helped reduce violence in the country. On Thursday, Obama acknowledged the 2007 increase in U.S. troops has benefited the Iraqi people.
“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,†Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. “I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.â€Â
When it comes to careful parsing. I don’t mean to take on a Harvard man who hobnobs with the intellectual elite of both the Weather Underground and Black Liberation Theology movements — lord knows I don’t live in the right kind of city to presume to attempt such — but I simply must point out that this line, “I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” is not really a political winner I suspect, especially given that the man he’s running against believed in the surge (as did those who planned it). Had they not, the charge Obama is making here is that the military was simply throwing away American lives on a strategy that they didn’t really think would work — and that they really just kinda lucked into success.
Real political winner, that is. Like the Biden pick, but with less of a dazzling veneer.
(thanks to Gary)
She did.
Did not.
Townhouse lives!
thor keeps touching me!
/backseat kid
But, O! was “right” in the sense that it may not have worked.
You follow?
“I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.â€Â
Thor, can you link to O! having said the surge has succeeded beyond out wildest dreams before today, pretty please?
If thor is going to make asinine comments, I’m gonna respond in kind.
You never used me as an excuse before, why start now.
Don’t you have something else to do tonight? Leer at underage girls? Drown a few kittens?
Obama, god bless his greedy little heart, is such a pussy. Cowed by O’Reilly, of all the cretins.
Smear #340:
“With that pit bull remark? Vick is voting for her now, too!!!”
Biden may experience being tongue-tied for the first time in his life when they debate. Where does the word “flummox” come from?
Eskimo for “and you thought I was some stupid hick. Heh.”
Real political winner, that is. Like the Biden pick, but with less of a dazzling veneer.
That may be the first time the word “dazzling” has been used in a sentence with Biden.
Harvard men are, of course, smarter than all the Generals. Ask McNamara.
Talk about punching drunk. How many debunked and foolish accusations does Kos..er, the Dems need to make before they realize they aren’t helping themselves? I suspect it’s because they can’t help themselves to begin with.
Jeff
Newest new smear:
“Sarah Palin took a town with $0 debt in 1996 and left it $22 million in the hole in 2002, mostly from the hockey rink/sports complex she shoved down their throats which never became the money generator she promised it would. Another white elephant from another white elephant.”
https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=13210#comment-530902
FTFY. You’re welcome.
Don’t forget the Cajuns. Bad way down there, they need an anti-surge of community organizers to suck up all the water. Obama will be getting right on that any day now.
#8
There is no excuse for you.
#15
Several of my friends who survived Vietnam would like to give him,Mcnamera, some good news. Preferably in a dark alley.
Newest newest new smear:
Republican vice presidential nominee Palin attended 5 colleges in 6 years
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-cvn-palin-education,0,1503213.story
Wouldn’t it stand to reason that we SHOULD cut the special needs budgets, now that most women are so wisely aborting their ‘tard babies before they become an unwelcome burden on society?
So she’s been to more schools than Obama.
Obama, god bless his greedy little heart, is such a pussy. Cowed by O’Reilly, of all the cretins.
He is saving all his strength for Putin.
#15 Jim:
Of course Walter Krueger never went to Harvard. Or West Point.
Darn those mavericks!
*ahem* ;)
sk…I really did laugh out loud at that one. I agree. They have the right to kill, er I mean abort, those fucking tards and I’m sure they’re doing it in droves. What’s the problem?
So she’s been to more schools than Obama.
She probably can count to five also, which the headline writer apparently can’t.
5 schools? Me too!
I love that they’re pushing the elitism thing.
Hey. Wasn’t Woodrow Wilson homeschooled?
OT: Anybody rec a site where I can watch RNC coverage?
Thing is: Using Linux – can’t do cspan, fox, etc, as no winplayer
All kidding aside it is actually pretty horrifying to learn the extent to which modern political “journalism” is driven by dkos. Don’t these people have any professional pride at all?
Or a gain of $2.1 million, if you look at it from another perspective.
Which, I don’t think you’re capable of.
Hey, think the press is digging into the CAC like this? Time to send down a posse of researchers, I say.
Aldo, the answer to your question is a resounding no. Hence the need for alternative outlets.
Hey, think the press is digging into the CAC like this?
What’s one of the worst obstacles faced by African-American children? Bad schools that handicap them for life. And did Obama and the CAC’s millions improve that situation? That is a scandal and a tragedy.
Race traitor?
[…] Palin smear: she cut special needs budget […]
“at a loss of around half a million dollars.â€Â
The idiot politician who bought the plane gets the loss.
Toss in the cost of maintenance, operations, and insurance, deduct the cost of commercial flights that apparently replaced it. I’d bet they saved that “loss” of $500,000 pretty damned quick.
And, fer crissake, if someone with only the barest education in finance can see that it’s a money-saver, why couldn’t the press find someone WITH the education to run the numbers?
Listen to the Kurtz interview on Milt Rosenberg’s show. Now, granting that he may not have picked the most representative examples, but he said it appears the CAC preferred groups pushing “race consciousness” over groups pushing what most folks would understand as academics.
urthshu: C-Span still publishes a RealMedia stream, and Real still has a version for Linux:
http://www.real.com/linux
Newest newest newest smear: Hagee mania
“Palin’s (Borrowed) ‘Lipstick’ Schtick
Sarah Palin’s now famous “lipstick” joke from her acceptance speech Wednesday night is generating lots of buzz in Democratic circles and the liberal blogosphere. Not because of how funny it was, but because of its similarity to another (in)famous one-liner delivered by controversial evangelical pastor John Hagee.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/09/did_palin_borrow_her_lipstick.html
She cut the budget? Outrageous! Next thing you are going to tell me is that she thinks taxpayers should keep more of their own money!
Is there anyone that can convince me that state governments don’t spend enough money?
I doubt it.
McCain, meanwhile, was the biggest critic of Donald Rumsfeld!
Dwarf Fortress FTW!
That she blows !!!
Blast. Thar.
(Tip for Ms. O’Brien: DailyKos is not a reliable news site.).
Neither is CNN, but we already knew that.
CNN poses as an objective news service while openly pandering to the hard left.
No. Fucking. Mirrors.
“McCain, meanwhile, was the biggest critic of Donald Rumsfeld!”
Is that a “known unknown or a unknown unknown”?
“Is that a “known unknown or a unknown unknownâ€Â?”
Possibly both, depending on who’s doing the knowing or unknowing, respectively.
Is anyone else getting a 404 on dre’s link, or is it just me?
Cracks to the Cult of O!:
“He said he assumes Palin “wants to be treated same way guys want to be treated, which means their records are under scrutinty. I’ve been through this for 19 months. She’s been through it, what four days?â€Â
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/27022
“Biggest critic” is likely to be hyperbole, BB. A critic, yes. Big critic on the GOP side, yes.
Works for me
In Alaska an amphibian aircraft would make more sense than a luxury jet. IIRC correctly, Juneau isn’t accessible except through ships or aircraft, and an aircraft that can land on ground or water would be pratical. And if the governor needs to jet somewhere out of state there are these things called ‘charters’ and ‘commercial air transit’.
de Havilland Beaver, Consolidated Catalina, Martin Mariner – all make much more sense.
SBP –
Thanks. Not working, though. I seem to be stuck with mediaplayer, so its probly youtube for me….
“#32 #Comment by urthshu on 9/4 @ 5:40 pm #
OT: Anybody rec a site where I can watch RNC coverage?
Thing is: Using Linux – can’t do cspan, fox, etc, as no winplayer”
Hot Air has stream on their site.
So the fuck what?
56
thanks! :)
Sorry, Barrett, but “Known knowns; known unknowns; and unknown unknowns” is actually a very intelligent way of looking at a military problem. Or any other problem. What I know, what I know I don’t know, and what I don’t know because the question hasn’t even been asked yet.
Not stupid at all; smart. Acknowledging that there are things you don’t know about and looking for them. That’s what research is all about.
#Comment by urthshu on 9/4 @ 6:21 pm #
56
thanks! :)”
Also try PJTV.com
suddenly very dancety over there…
Uh oh
—Survey USA: Independents who think Palin’s an asset to the campaign jump 13 points overnight—
@62 I am worried that she could outshine McCain. But I also think it is because she is a fresh new face… and almost a GILF.
My safe word is banana.
Harvard!
Intellectual elite!
Weather Underground!
Black Liberation Theology!
Irony!
Dude, I was so wrong.
You still have the chops…carry on.
O! No a Sarah email:
The anti-Palin e-mail
I’ve received some 50 copies of a long e-mail from a woman named Anne Kilkenny of Wasilla, and it may be the most potent attack on Sarah Palin out there, bouncing around the Internet at the viral speed of an Obama-Muslim rumor.
The Anchorage Daily News confirms its authenticity and describes her as a “stay-at-home mom, letter-to-the-editor writer and longtime watcher of [Mat-Su] Valley politics” who has been deluged with e-mail as she become’s Palin’s leading local critic.
She says she clashed with Palin over her 1996 “attempt at censorship,” a reported suggested to ban books at a local library, which Palin later said wasn’t a serious proposal.
The letter mostly contains undisputed facts, and while it’s occasionally positive  “she’s smart”  it offers a bit of an alternate, and mostly hostile, history to the campaign biography.
A sample: “They call her ‘Sarah Barracuda’ because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness.”
In any case, the full, viral anti-Palin e-mail after the jump.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/The_antiPalin_email.html
Any of it untrue?
yeah, saw that.
The source of the talking points, more or less, is a housewife. yippee
Negative mostly if you assume Republican stereotyping
Its all true, Jeff, but if ST makes fun of it/you alot, maybe you’ll just stop. Or else he’ll hold his breath and all
Mix me a screaming orgasm and a buttery nipple. I’m ready to get my leer on and stab me some swagging Texas kitten!
O! thor … you drink those girly-sweet drinks, and you’ll have a hell of a hangover tomorrow.
ST, you forgot:
ARUGULA!
Anne Kilkenny is a Dem, and if you look at her assessment, it is revealing — Palin doesn’t seem to push her religious views on anyone; she’s pro-business; doesn’t buckle to the green lobby (despite being an outdoorsman); etc.
Here’s Kilkenny’s breakdown from the email:
CLAIM VS FACT
*”Hockey mom”: true for a few years.
*”PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since.
*”NRA supporter”: absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
*”Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
*”Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla’s history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
“Any of it untrue?”
In what sense?
Which Peggy Noonan mode are you in? Public or private?
I don’t get it.
Indeed Carin.
I forgot to say “Relax, have some Arugula”.
LGF has a live stream, too.
Soledad O’Brien seems a little neurotic to me. This is a picture of her grinning like a madwoman while she strangles a special needs puppet. It’s very disturbing.
“*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.”
Like abortion you HAVE to be for Card Check.
The “letter-to-the-editor writer” bit screams “crank” to me. You know, the ones the editors can always count on to have some whinge to fill in some column space?
Peggy Noonan had an off-mike moment, Jeff. ST is accusing you of being 2 faced maybe. Or its just a dumbass dig, from a dumbass
She’s voluntarily been in labor five times…
What? OH!!!
These speakers tonight are a lot snoozey so far I think. Was that Lindsey Graham? Yawn. And the next guy is a total soporific. The guy now I mean.
Man Tom Ridge I’m so Underwhelmed.
Would you like a Link Exchange with COMMON CENTS? Check it out…
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/
Oh. Tom Ridge they said. He needs to wrap it up.
Is Tom wearing a hair plug or a kippa?
I know about Noonan’s gaffe. I just didn’t get the dig.
As everyone here knows, I’m no big McCain booster. On the other hand, I think the Palin pick brilliant and have said so since the day it was announced and I looked into her record a bit.
McCain speech open thread now an open thread.
Tom you ain’t no Reagan conservative.
Is Tom wearing a hair plug or a kippa?
Botched Rovian Implant.
The latest Oliphant cartoon is pretty much a waste of paper / bandwidth.
God, I feel old — I can remember when Pat had a little bit of intellectual honesty.
“Sorry, Barrett, but “Known knowns; known unknowns; and unknown unknowns†is actually a very intelligent way of looking at a military problem. ”
I never said or implied otherwise. Read this thread again real hard!
If I was a McCain strategist I would make sure all of the surrogates have this answer at the ready for any obscure negative “fact” thy are questioned on by the likes of Soledad and don’t have a ready answer for:
“I’ll get back to you on that, [newsperson], but if this is just another factoid from the netroots, such as the Daily Kos, you guys will end up with egg on your face again, as they have admitted to playing fast and loose with the truth to serve the “greater good” (use finger in the air quotes)”
Anybody else notice that Obama is picking up McCain’s positions about a week or two after McCain does? It’s like he is morphing into a McCain “Creepy Doll”.
“What you find is a creepy doll,
that follows you around.
A creepy doll with a ruined eye that’s
Always
Open.
What you have is a creepy doll
that follows you around.
Creepy doll with a pretty mouth that
Eats you
Whole”
(Jonathan Coulton – YouTube)
[…] comes down between a man who never believed our country could win, and a man who knew we could win. Jeff Goldstein: I simply must point out that this line, “I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that […]
And BTW, I don’t believe a thing “the new” O! says. I think the old one is more likely what we will get if he manages to get elected.
Ron Burgundy on Sarah Palin
http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=4688&l=3d3a4&id=1348201567
Here’s the problem, though, with sites like this one (as well as the one’s circulating smears against Palin such as that above): you ignore all the lies of your guys (or gals) while trumpeting the other side’s as a compensation for MSNBC or Fox News or whatever. So what ends up happening is that 95% of the discussion is just pure unadulterated advocacy BS, words without context and therefor value. Experience was important until Palin came along – unless your a Dem, in which case it wasn’t important but now is again. McCain actually looks into the camera at me and says Palin has military experience as CIC of the AK National Gurad, and foreign policy experience becasue AK is close to Russia. Obama is a recent convert to nuclear energy and natural gas, and was against the Pat act – until some tiny change in it made him do a 180 turn.
It’s all BS, and the only way they can get away with it is becasue people on both sides give them endless mulligans becasue of the letter after their name. In the process, we end up with a blogosphere (though, I admit, the MSM is infinitely worse) containing little candor or intellectual equinimity (honesty?), but endless marketing designed to effect a particular behavior on the readers part. And that sucks. Imaginie if you went to a bar to just shoot the shit, and the person you were talking to was purposefully holding back their true feeelings on a toic to try to sell you on it. That’s what we’re sinking to here.
Baracky doesn’t have any foreign policy experience at all though. Also he’s a spaz. He’s really grown into his urkelhood over the course of this campaign I think. That he would say hey you know who I want to hang out with for the next four years? Joey Hairplugs. That really clinches it I think. What a geek, really, hiding behind Oprah’s skirts. Pathetic.
Baracky is more worthless than GoogleChrome I think. It looks pretty but useless useless useless.
Yeah pretty much pan. You new to politics?
Experience was important until Palin came along
Palin has more executive experience than anyone else in the race.
foreign policy experience becasue AK is close to Russia.
Palin has negotiated a $40 billion natural gas pipeline with Canada, a project which has been stalled for nearly 30 years.
How is that not foreign policy?
Oh, I’m sorry. I was trying to point out that the blogosphere should be more candid, but is evolving into an MSM-esque marketed and provincial false-dichotomy. THEN you set me straight by pointing out that:
‘Baracky is more worthless than GoogleChrome I think. It looks pretty but useless useless useless.”
and even more insightfully:
“Also he’s a spaz” & “What a geek, really, hiding behind Oprah’s skirts. Pathetic.”, not to mention the “Urkel” comparison.
So thanks alot, that was great.
“How is that not foreign policy?”
Seriously? Because our problems are with Canadian Extremists?
It’s not that I’m against Palin, but come on. She seems to have a reformeer streak in her and she’s not afraid to stand up to here own party. Further, there’s some libertarian in there and maybe someone who’s not ‘experienced’ in the corruption of big natinal politics might be good for us.
But we cannot have a real discussion of here qualifications because the left says she’s the devil and eats retards and the right has her as a cross between Washington crossing the Delaware and Henrey Kissinger. It’s all BS.
“Yeah pretty much pan. You new to politics?”
I do think that the blogosphere offers us a chance to change some stuff – but we needto take better advantage.
Seriously? Because our problems are with Canadian Extremists?
‘
Canada was a foreign country, the last time I checked. And McCain doesn’t exactly need credibility on the national defense issue, the last time I checked.
Do feel free to share all of Obama’s foreign policy and national defense experience with us, though.
“Canada was a foreign country, the last time I checked. And McCain doesn’t exactly need credibility on the national defense issue, the last time I checked.
Do feel free to share all of Obama’s foreign policy and national defense experience with us, though.”
He doesn’t have any. None. But at least I’m not BSing my self. It’s easy to work out agreements with your best friends, and it’s basically a business deal. And I’d be in perfect agreement that McCain has far more experience than Obama. But the BS starts with obvious nonsense like making her Nixon in China over a business deal with Canadian companies.
Then there’s the AK NG commander in chief BS. I think you should know that when McCain looked in the camera and lied to you re: that being military experience (becasue if anyone KNOWS it’s a lie, it’s a military guy like McCain), he counted on your mindless aquiescence – and you didn’t disappoint.
“…like making her Nixon in China …”
Didn’t you over-reach here?
“Didn’t you over-reach here?”:
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole”
I’m saying her military and foreign policy experience is worthless. Totally worthless. And if we’re honest, we can say: “That’s OK, becasue McCAin’s got alot of that and she brings other important things to the table – and Obama has exacly 0, and he’s the actual PRes candidate!””. Why must we BS ourselves on a blog thread!!!! We get bombarded w/ the BS every day – to point where people go on blogs to parrot MSM talking points. I find that bizarre considering what CAN be happen here (and elsewhere) – whisch is candid discussion. Isn’t that the whole point of a blog?
But the BS starts with obvious nonsense like making her Nixon in China over a business deal with Canadian companies.
No, the BS starts with concocting strawman arguments like that one. I didn’t say that it was “Nixon in China”. I said that it was foreign policy experience. Which it is. And I said that Obama has nothing comparable. Which he doesn’t. Stick to debating what I actually said, rather than what you’d like to pretend I said. Thanks.
Sorry, being the commander of the state national guard is experience. She’s the civilian commander of a military organization. You know, sort of like the way the President is the civilian commander of a military organization?
While I haven’t looked into it in depth, I’d bet a fairly large sum that Palin has regular meetings and briefings with the Guard command structure. I know for a fact that she’s flown to the Middle East to meet with the troops that Alaska has over there.
Can you give us another civilian job that’s a closer analogue of that situation?
Have you read this post, linked by Darleen six days ago, pan? Once read, will you dismiss it’s contents?
Well tell us, pan, if her experience is worthless, what constitutes worthwhile experience in your view. Talk about what good foreign policy judgment would look like to you. What do you require? What would you reject?
It’s not my fault that Baracky accidentally got nominated. I did nothing to encourage this.
What a pitiful little party though that picks a nominee based on how he focus groups with daytime tv viewers. Mad teleprompter skillz and the W25-54s find him nonthreatening. Yay!
“Sorry, being the commander of the state national guard is experience.”
And if McCain says that flesh eating aliens from the planet Doo-Doo XR1 are coming and we need to build a giant orbital ray gun that shoots cottage cheese (becasue that’s their cryptonite, ya know?) and it’s going to cost us 150 million trillion dollars (not counting the cottage cheese), you’d probably put your dairy hair net on and to get to work – becasue they’re relatively equal in beliveability, since she’s never made military descision in her life.
pan
The correct comparisons are between McCain and Obama on the top level, and then Palin and Biden on the next. If you wish for some of that real time good ol discourse, then start there, otherwise you are doing exactly what you are crying against.
She’s pefect! No flaws. OK, that’s nice – shows you guys aren’t just parroting the party line – you’ve really put alot of thought into this…
maybe there is no hope for a change in political discussion. Two parties lends itself to bifurication error so readily that it’s simple unavoidable.
“The correct comparisons are between McCain and Obama on the top level, and then Palin and Biden on the next. If you wish for some of that real time good ol discourse, then start there, otherwise you are doing exactly what you are crying against.”
Maybe you missed where I ceded that McCain has a ton of foreign policy experience and Obama has none?
“So what ends up happening is that 95% of the discussion is just pure unadulterated advocacy BS, words without context and therefor value.”
“And if McCain says that flesh eating aliens from the planet Doo-Doo XR1 are coming and we need to build a giant orbital ray gun that shoots cottage cheese (becasue that’s their cryptonite, ya know?) and it’s going to cost us 150 million trillion dollars (not counting the cottage cheese), you’d probably put your dairy hair net on and to get to work – becasue they’re relatively equal in beliveability, since she’s never made military descision in her life.”
Yeah, you’re really working at improving the discourse there, pan.
onE other thing, the experience meme is and pretty much always has been a bs argument. The one and only way to get experience as POTUS is to be POTUS. It simply isn’t like any other job on the planet, except perhaps for being the top dog at one of the other free industrial nation of the world.
And if McCain says that flesh eating aliens from the planet Doo-Doo XR1 are coming
She’s pefect! No flaws. OK, that’s nice
Shorter pan: “I got owned. Hard. But I’m going to stick to my tactic of debating the voices in my head rather than what people are actually saying.”
Get back to me if you ever address the real issues, m’kay?
No pan, I didn’t miss it. I also am not missing the fact that for one who wishes to argue truth, you are throwing a lot of crap around. This crowd is likely to give you what you are looking for, but only if you show a willingness to do the same. Take a breath, and maybe start over. Leave the crazy comparisons at the door.
That’s so phony. Like anyone is really all confounded by Governor Palin’s abilities versus Baracky’s. She can more than hang with empty suit boy, and she can do it WITHOUT the media propping her up every time things go off script. So stop it with your phony assed “concerns”. You sound like a little bitch.
And let me add to Darleen’s point – that being briefed on military matters is not military experience as a descision maker. That’s why I left off that Obama and Biden are both on the foreign relations committee and that Obama’s on the homeland security committee. But it’s not the same thing – and anyway McCain’s experience far outstrips Obama’s
But, ya see – I’m not going ot BS myself
“I also am not missing the fact that for one who wishes to argue truth, you are throwing a lot of crap around”
Such as?
More insight:
“That’s so phony. Like anyone is really all confounded by Governor Palin’s abilities versus Baracky’s. She can more than hang with empty suit boy, and she can do it WITHOUT the media propping her up every time things go off script. So stop it with your phony assed “concernsâ€Â. You sound like a little bitch.”
Barak is an empty suit. No executive experience, no foreign experience, no business experience, unless you want to count dirty real estate deals. He’s a narcissistic dilletante, who derives leech-like cred off of others — Rezko, Ayers, Wright, etc.
Try again when your fever comes down, pan.
You all seem incapable of ceding anythng re: the Republican party – at least I ‘ve seen nothing. Everything they do is right. OK. That seems sensible and the result of alot of thought.
Your real good at insulting me though. Oh – and you call Obama ‘Baraky’ – hey, case closed.
I’m actually getting this now. All things in life have pros and cons with one big exception: the Republicans around election time. They migrate to Candyland and shit delcious blueberry ice cream, and anyone questioning them in anyway is wrong, awful, stupid and evil! (and has a fever, apparently)
a narcissistic dilletante
That’s very well expressed I think. Baracky be thinkin it’s all good in the hood but people are seeing through him. Finally.
Pan: “You all seem incapable of ceding anythng re: the Republican party – at least I ‘ve seen nothing. Everything they do is right. OK. ”
Not at all — but I am willing to wager there insufficient overlap in my reasons for disliking them and your reasons to make it worth my effort.
But, for practical matters, why would I support the Dems? They want to raise taxes, socialize medicine and generally undermine those things that make this nation exceptional. Why would I want to throw them a bone?
How are you doing with that battle against the strawman, pan? When you get done, do you think you might want to try arguing with what’s actually being said, as several other here are doing with what you’ve said?
All the cool kids are doing that these days.
I missed this – it makes an important and well thought out point that we need t think about more:
“Barak is an empty suit. No executive experience, no foreign experience, no business experience, unless you want to count dirty real estate deals. He’s a narcissistic dilletante, who derives leech-like cred off of others  Rezko, Ayers, Wright, etc.”
So tell us, pan, what constitutes worthwhile experience in your view. Talk about what good foreign policy judgment would look like to you. What do you require? What would you reject? Be bold man! Strike out on your own to express something worth knowing. Teach O wise one. We are here to learn.
They’re not straw man. No one here DARE criticize their own party – at least during election time.
And it proves my point that people will accpt whatever shit is shoveled to them w/o thought. Plain has military and foreign policy experience.
Fine, pan, by all means — tell of his executive experience, his foreign experience and his business experience. Throw in some defense / military experience whilst you’re at it.
I shan’t hold my breath.
pan: ” No one here DARE criticize their own party – at least during election time. ”
Assumes facts not in evidence, unless Jeff made it a requirement to be a member of the Republican party to post here…
What are you talking about? There are lots of fags in the Republican party that think changing your lightbulbs CONTROLS TEH WEATHER. I call them fags. Climate fags. John Warner is a big geriatric climate fag but he’s retiring. Who else is a climate fag is John McCain. He is a very heroic climate fag that had the good sense not to talk about it last night. There are others, and much less heroic.
They’re not straw man.
You know, pan, dissembling about what people said doesn’t work nearly as well on the web as it does offline. We’re all literate. We can actually read what was said before, and compare it to your over-the-top parody of what was said.
No executive experience, no foreign experience, no business experience
You’re invited to prove that person wrong by providing links to Obama’s executive, foreign, and non-Rezko business experience.
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I actually like alot of what McCain’s done (save for being for the initial foray into Iraq), and he wasn’t afraid to stand up to the Bush admin over startegy – and publicly. W/o McCain advocating for strategy change and the surge, things would still be a mess. There’s just no doubting that. I like that he was willing to reach out to ‘nam cnsidering his past. I really beieve he’d be smart re: using our military. There’s alot of positive there. I think the McCAin ticket wins on this issue, clearly.
But that doesn’t mean I’m goign to accpet nonsense re: PAlin (or anything else). I know campaigns are going to do this, but the appetite with which it all gets swallowed on both sides is alarming.
Thank you kindly, HF… we aims to please.
And as I said, Palin’s experience in those matters isn’t nesseccary considering McCain’s.
You don’t know where you are, do you, pan? Let me give you a little hint.
By and large, and you’ll find many versions of this conversation if you bother to look, people here do not love the idea of John McCain being POTUS. But, you’ll see, we likey Sarah Palin. But not all of us.
oh. I mean “climate fag” in a nice way. I have lots of friends who are climate fags.
Now I’m beginning to think you won’t address my questions, made first at 111 and then repeated at 134. I’m not a republican. Haven’t said a word about Palin or Obama but invited you excogitate on foreign policy judgment as an abstract concept unconnected to any candidate. You however continue to blast on about political parties and Palin this and Obama that, inviting responses in kind. Why not drop that sort of argument and get serious for a while, benefiting yourself and your interlocutors in the process?
But Obama’s experience, or lack thereof, is very important, what with him on the top of the ticket.
“but the appetite with which it all gets swallowed on both sides is alarming.”
I agree.
Pablo: “But Obama’s experience, or lack thereof, is very important, what with him on the top of the ticket.”
The expand on this, constrasting Obama’s void of experience with that of the GOP VP pick is a legitimate “ruse de guerre.”
As a wholly off topic side note — how is it that the French, perhaps the most hapless major military in history, get to have much of the language of warfare?
Pan you want to hear criticism of Republicans? The guy running for POTUS has the wrong positions on illegal immigration and global warming (which used to be known as weather). Palin does not have huge amounts of experience if you want to compare her with past VP’s I agree.
Is that what you wanted to hear?
The guy running for POTUS has the wrong positions on illegal immigration and global warming (which used to be known as weather).
Also, I’m looking forward to the day when McCain-Feingold is smacked down as the unconstitutional POS that it is. That day may be a long time coming, but I think it will come.
Also Mr. McCain is way overqualified to be president. There are genuine issues of fairness in this election. Baracky should file an EEOC complaint I think.
I don’t have a party, pan.
I guess pan got busy with something else for now. Either that or he’s hard at work on something with which to amaze and edify us rubes.
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Want to debunk it with a site they’ll trust?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/6/161910/4112/564/589298
Now the increase of 11% over 2 years wasn’t enough; but even the krazies at kos couldn’t keep the claim of a cut.
She did cut the budget for special needs children. You’re clearly not reading the budgets correctly. if you compare the 2006 budget (that her predecessor prepared) against the ones she prepared (after those years) the budget has been slashed from roughly 8 million to just above 3 million. (Or for those who have a tough time with the math, around 60%). In addition let me clear up some other facts for you. Palin and McCain have tried attacking Obama by claiming he has requested over a billion in govt earmark spending. While this may be true Palin must be foolish in trying to make this fight. The 27 million she requested while mayor of a town of roughly 7,000 citizens amounts to roughly $3,800 per capita…the 750 million while governor of Alaska amounts to over $1,100 per capita-by far the highest per capita in the 50 states, and the per capita within her town is just utterly shocking. By contrast, if you take only the largest city in Illinois, the state Obama represents and figure the per capita request of his alleged 1.2 billion, you come out with a number around $450. Hmmmm…I think we can all see the hypocrisy here. But hey, by all means why don’t we just sit back and continue to let her try to fool us, effectively letting her lie her way into one of the top positions in the country. Don’t be blinded by her apparent charm folks, she’s without a doubt the same old politician, the same old member of the good ol’ boys club, she just wears a skirt. As for the bridge to nowhere she “told congress they could keep” this is also not true, she initially supported it, and only rejected it when the project had been killed in congress. She’s a fake, a phony, and an embarrassment to any other women in politics. Oh-and since when are sites like “protein wisdom” “reliable news sites”??? lmao-what a joke!
just checked that last link, fair enough then, until it has been proven otherwise I’ll have to concede that part of my argument. However, the rest remains true…
So I guess Alaskans will have to wait until a year before her re-election to get the special-needs benfits. Republican don’t have a clue. Stupidity is your buddy.
So I guess Alaskans will have to wait until a year before her re-election to get the special-needs benefits. Republican don’t have a clue. Stupidity is your buddy.
Actually, if you watch Biden’s interview on Meet the Press this past Sunday, you would know that the surge was not the primary reason for the drop in violence, but one of many; the Anbar Awakening, where we paid Sunnis to fight al-Qaeda with us (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26590488/page/2/) and the use of counter-insurgency units as opposed to raw fighting units (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26590488/page/3/)
[…] proven unremarkable — largely because they were so easily debunked. Attempts to tether her to cuts in funding for special needs children, or to economic mistreatment of rape victims, have, too, proven feeble — though I suspect […]
Attached is the site with the facts on Palins budget cut for special needs, click on the dates 2007,2008,2009, they are the Alaska Budget proposals, she has, I repeat she has cut the budget for special needs by over 60%, If she states different she is a liar as she lied about the Bridge to nowhere.
Attached is the site with the Alaska budget proposals for special needs children, go there then click on the dates, 2007, 2008, 2009, she has cut the budget by over 60%, if she states different she is a liar as she lied about the bridge to nowhere.
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/09/palin_and_special_needs_children.php
oh, please enlighten us as to the difference here.
and Earl, please don’t try to pass the old, “we didn’t get the increase we asked for so it’s a cut!” crap. they got a funding increase.
some fact checking for you all: http://www.examiner.com/x-796-Mental-Health-Examiner~topic19194-Budget-Cuts